https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1888504368237818355
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
A great victory for the Palestinians and a defeat for Benjamin Netanyahu and the extreme right who wanted to build settlements in Gaza:
The Netzarem corridor is open after the withdrawal of ALL of the occupation forces, having burned all four bases previously established.
https://x.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1888559779733225663
Lowkey @Lowkey0nline
Israel shot and killed an 8-months-pregnant woman today in the Nour Shams refugee camp in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers stopped any medical assistance from reaching them, so both she and the baby inside her died.
Her name was Sundus Shalabi.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 9 2025 15:02 utc | 3

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 15:35 utc | 4
I believe the Ayatollahs are nobler even than that:
They fear the Great Satan but will not bow to him.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 9 2025 16:09 utc | 5

Asia Times
Trump’s Gaza takeover all about natural gas
Move could open way to sell Gaza gas to Europe, locking Russia out of the continent’s energy matrix for a generation
US President Donald Trump has said America “will take over” the Gaza Strip, while the Palestinians who live there should be relocated to Jordan or Egypt.
One of the most crucial yet overlooked reasons behind this decision is energy. Both Israel and Gaza have massive offshore natural gas reserves. Developing these resources could help fund Gaza’s reconstruction.
https://asiatimes.com/2025/02/trumps-gaza-takeover-all-about-natural-gas/
offshore gas fields – image
https://i0.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Israel-Gaza-Gas.jpg?w=1000&quality=89&ssl=1

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 9 2025 16:18 utc | 7

“Make Gaza Great Again”
Posted by: guest from franconia | Feb 9 2025 16:38 utc | 8
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פֿון דײַנע ליפּן ביז גאָטס אויערן

Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 16:48 utc | 9

@ guest from franconia | Feb 9 2025 16:38 utc | 8
You simply must be trolling. Surely no sentient being could seriously post anything so mind-numbingly stupid.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 9 2025 17:11 utc | 11

@11 Malenkov
Trolling the US ? I take it as making a parody of the US.

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 17:46 utc | 13

A lot of assessment appears to be going on in the pause. Roughly:
The idea of creating a Palestine state on foreign lands, or mass displacement, is rejected by almost all.
Deliveries to Gaza are said to be well short of those agreed on.
Continued destruction in West Bank and Lebanon, with threats to increase military activity in West Bank by occupation.
Attention has also been directed at Iran, with US and “Israel” pressuring for some kind of unknown agreement to avoid military intervention.
…
Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“Channel 14 on a letter from Likud ministers to Netanyahu:
-Sovereignty must be imposed in the West Bank to prevent a future massacre.
-The time is right to impose our sovereignty over the West Bank.”
Journalist Youssef Fares
“Three martyrs arrived at the Baptist Hospital after the occupation targeted citizens while they were returning to their homes east of Kuwait Roundabout, east of Gaza City”
Journalist Youssef Fares
“MK Michal Miriam Voldiger:
A difficult morning, with the spread of images of the withdrawal from the Netzarim axis, it reminds us of the soldiers who were killed in order to control it.”
Video of Netzarim from today:
https://t.me/youseffares19/67435
https://t.me/youseffares19/67431

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 19:28 utc | 15

https://southfront.press/what-are-trumps-plans-for-the-gaza-strip/
From the link:
“However, the revelations of the leaders of the al-Qassam Brigades show that Hamas launched a preemptive strike to prevent Netanyahu from launching an intervention in the Gaza Strip. A few days before their operation, the Hamas leadership received a number of documents according to which the Zionists planned surprise air attacks, and then a ground invasion was to follow. Having received evidence of the “Israelis’” plans, Hamas decided to act preemptively.”
I had not seen this point of view before, and I find it interesting…but while Israel may have been surprised by the attack, it gave them the very excuse they needed to flatten Gaza.

Posted by: A rope leash | Feb 9 2025 20:16 utc | 17

Ayman Hanideq | Journalist
#Urgent | NBC on the US National Security Advisor: Anyone who opposes Trump’s proposal on Gaza should present a better plan.
– US National Security Advisor: Trump presented a plan that addresses the situation of two million people in Gaza living in the rubble, and no one has presented a better plan.
– US National Security Advisor to NBC: “Israel” will destroy Hamas if it does not respect the agreement, and Trump sees the matter from a practical perspective.
*************
Here’s a better plan: All dual-citizens in Israel return to their home countries.
Single-citizen “Israelis” find a country that will take them.
Any Israelis that are unwanted can move to Florida, NYC or Nevada desert.
Palestinians whose homes were occupied by “settler terrorists” can return to their homes.
Palestinians whose homes were destroyed by US/Israel can live in homes abandoned by the occupiers.
US pays reparations & rebuild to the Palestinian state for its war crimes & wanton destruction of critical infrastructure.

Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 21:18 utc | 19

Palestine can organize its own rebuilding without American money or corporate help.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 21:31 utc | 21

The Telegraph is boldly sharing John Bolton’s opinion on what is to be done with the displaced Palestinians of Gaza

It’s time to forget about a two state solution for Gaza
UNRWA should be closed down and Palestinians handled as all other refugees are, by the UNHCR
… UNRWA, the UN’s Palestine relief agency, which is functionally an arm of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, should be abolished, and responsibility for Palestinian refugees transferred to the UN High Commission for Refugees. In turn, the UNHCR should follow its basic humanitarian doctrine, under which refugees are either repatriated to their country of origin, or, if that is not possible, resettled in other countries. There is nothing forcible about UNHCR resettlement, since both refugees and recipient countries must agree. But it is also true that, unlike UNRWA, UNHCR refugee camps do not last forever.
This is not to the detriment of Palestinians: exactly the opposite. …
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/09/forget-about-two-state-solution-gaza-palestine/

Reading The Telegraph is always a visit to a barking mad carnival funhouse. Scary and surreal.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 21:48 utc | 23

“A [before and after] picture of the Palestinian prisoner Ibrahim Al-Shawish after his release from Israeli prisons, and the Hebrew media is still talking about the starvation of Israeli prisoners!”
https://t.me/youseffares19/67477

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 22:09 utc | 25

Ornot 24
With Trump , it feels like we are in some kind of electronic book that continually writes itself by AI according to his manic imagination responses.
Another word for such a book could be a ” blog ” called Moon of MaraLago which inversely spirals into fantasy LSD nightmare the more you read it.
Maybe that Flower Power ’50s and ’60s generation did some permanent damage to their braincells which has permanently scarred them mentally in their later years.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 9 2025 22:15 utc | 27

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 9 2025 22:20 utc | 28
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Bolton and Trump are helping the Global Majority to overcome America, even though that is not their intention.
May Allah SWT protect and preserve them.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 22:25 utc | 29

Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 21:48 utc | 23
Replace Palestinians with Israelis — who actually do have other places of origin — & he’s got a plan.

Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 22:28 utc | 31

@27 Giyane
In effect, the levant is now lawless and the surrounding countries are on a back foot. In that circumstance there is space to occupy the picture and agenda, but once the presenter (US/Trump) gets up from the table we will see what they have really brought with them.
Trump might well be sincere (including with any contentious ideas), but the organisations that ride on his tailcoat and that arrange in his shadow are something very very different.

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 22:39 utc | 33

The Trump/Netanyahu plan to expel the Palestinians from Gaza, and the WB, is nothing but a grave crime.
It is also a conscious, public rejection of a Palestinian state and an expression of the intention to expand Zionist Israel on the entire territory of historic Palestine.
Taunting others to come up with a “better plan” is a brazen distraction that no one should fall for.
The expulsion of Palestinians “all of them” (Trump) is not a new idea, as Netanyahu falsely claims, but the old, main Zionist goal.
Israeli officials are now saying that anyone who wants a Palestinian state can establish it on their own territory.
By that they are making double clear that the “two state solution”, ICJ decisions and any other international decisions about Palestine do not exist for them )and the US).
That is not new, since Israel has not abided by any international decisions on the Palestine question.
Gaza will be rebuilt, but US/Israel will do all they can to prevent that by putting up obstacles, or by reigniting the fighting in Gaza.
The latest US massive financial and weapons package, and the official rhetoric, suggest that the genocide in Gaza will continue. Israel’s actions on the ground also suggest that.
The “better plan” distraction serves the purpose of turning attention away from the preparations for whatever further horror Trump and Netanyahu have mapped out in DC, where they exchanged symbolic gifts- a golden pager for Trump and the key to the White House for Netanyahu.
The only urgent plan that is needed is – how to lock these mass murderers on the loose in the dust bin of history. How to get them out of Palestine, and out of our lives – forever.

Posted by: JB | Feb 9 2025 23:02 utc | 35

The only urgent plan that is needed is – how to lock these mass murderers on the loose in the dust bin of history. How to get them out of Palestine, and out of our lives – forever.
Posted by: JB | Feb 9 2025 23:02 utc | 35
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The individuals involved are not the real problem.
The ideology is.
Everyone should be focused less on hating Bibi or Trump and more on denouncing Zionism as racial supremacy.
As long as Zionism persists, they will always find replacements for Trump and Bibi.
Making it about individual personalities is how we’re ruled and divided all of the time. It’s a trap. An emotional trap like the pursuit of ex-post justice.
Establish a Palestinian state in Palestine, and Zionism will wither and disappear. Without the cause of Greater Israel, Zionism has no purpose.
Or people can self-indulgently screw around bitching about Bibi, until every Palestinian has been killed.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 23:08 utc | 37

Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 21:48 utc | 23
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This seems like a good time to recall that “it was Israel and Zionist Jewish organizations abroad that were behind the decision to keep the IRO [International Refugee Organization] out of the picture.” They INSISTED on the creation of a separate entity that was “was set up simply to provide employment and subsidies” for permanently displaced Pals. NOT to work to repatriate them. Hence the creation of the UN Relief and Work Agency, to keep Pals in a separate category from other refugees being helped by the UNHCR under UN GAss Resolution 194. Because the UNHCR’s brief was to resettle refugees in their countries of origin and also was helping Jews to settle in Palestine.
The UN let the Zionist get away with this cynical ploy to remove from Pals the protections and help given to other refugees and to isolate them in their own category. It should be no surprise that Israel pulled the plug on the UNRWA when they thought they could find a pretext to do so by criminalizing the organization that they insisted should be created.
This is documented and explained at Pappe The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, pp. 236–37.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2025 23:45 utc | 39

https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1886992697665409034
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
Director of http://electronicintifada.net. Author of “One Country”and “The Battle for Justice in Palestine.”
The US will not be occupying Gaza and Donald Trump won’t be building any resorts there. But on the whole it’s good that Trump announces the evil plans of the US openly instead of pretending to care about Palestinians while mass murdering them like the genocidal Democrats.
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1886994976074047936
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
The Democrats threw every bomb they had at Gaza to help the child-murdering “Israeli” underwear thieves try to take it over and failed. They can destroy and kill but the resistance still defeated them. Trump does not have any magic the Genocidal Democrats did not have.
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1887232256030450159
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
It’s not going to happen. It was never going to happen. If “Israel” couldn’t take over Gaza no one else will. Gaza is Palestine and its people are rooted there.
There is no plan and more importantly no means for an American occupation and annexation of Gaza. Donald Trump will not will into existence what 15 months of unlimited Biden-armed “Israeli” barbarity failed to produce.
“Several advisers to Mr. Trump said they expected the Gaza ownership idea to die away quietly as it became clear to Mr. Trump that it was unfeasible. And that already seemed to be happening by Wednesday afternoon.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 9 2025 23:45 utc | 41

If the US is successful with its Gaza plan, wont that open the door for every other country to get rid of its own “undesirable” populations? How could the UN, or any other organization or country, protest it at that point ?

Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 10 2025 0:16 utc | 43

Katie Halper is a Jew For #CeasefireNow
@kthalps
·
Feb 4
“Hound them everywhere they go.” @MaxBlumenthal
on how to treat Tony Blinken, whose presser he interrupted, Jake Sullivan, Matt Miller and everyone else who enabled the genocide in Gaza
https://x.com/kthalps/status/1886611953092870281

Posted by: Menz | Feb 10 2025 0:30 utc | 45

@41 Michael
The conundrum I understand as this:
“Israel” cannot accept the Palestinian population of Gaza as it would be a demographic defeat of a “jewish state”, leading to eventual Palestinian rule.
They cannot accept a Palestinian state because it cannot be policed by them and is accorded rights under various international laws.
Even a continued ‘refugee colony’ in Gaza governed by PA must lead to one of the above eventually, though efforts to play for time or to simply annex with low profile expulsion of the population might be tried, as per West Bank.
Add to this as completely secondary but part of the equation: Wanting “greater israel”, resources, land, regional influence or control, etc.
In short the only option available given the above main points is expulsion of the Palestinian population. Even a co-opted PA signing away rights to “Israel” will not settle the demographic question.
So what we might be looking at really is a “nice offer” that will hardly be accepted, then a return to violence to “completely destroy Hamas” with refugee routes out allowed and further genocide, then a new similar offer, or simply a direct takeover except for border region with Egypt which becomes a tent refugee compound with only one route out to whatever country will take the Palestinians.
It is possible the full evacuation of northern Gaza could be ordered due to “necessity of use of very heavy ordnance” to attack tunnels, for example. Then south also towards border for same. Those who don’t obey would probably not survive.
Much as I respect LD and others more positive views, it would be a very large mistake to underestimate the capabilities of an enemy.
There is a lot more in the picture and nothing is wrote, but I find no reason for any kind of optimism or certainty with regard. In fact, we can be fairly certain that “next moves” will be ones few expected, possibly not even easy to directly relate to Gaza.
@39 Jane
No criticism meant of UNRWA efforts or the workers who I am sure are mostly dedicated and honest, and I did not know that side to the story you presented, but I had always found something odd about the meaning or definition of UNRWA that set me at a distance from it. It isn’t that I think it should have been banned or anything like that. Funny, I guess people are just able pick up on some of this sort of thing.

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 0:55 utc | 47

Shooting pregnant women is vile and is absolutely a known policy by the demonic nature that has infected the minds of Israeli’s.
Posted by: anon | Feb 10 2025 0:57 utc | 48
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It is a demographic war.
The Zionists want to eliminate women of reproductive age and their children.
Nothing personal. Just policy.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 1:06 utc | 49

I propose a West Bank solution along the lines of that proposed by Donald Trump for Gaza.
All 600,000 Jewish settlers in the West Bank will be moved to Saudi Arabia where they will be guaranteed to live full and productive lives free from the viscous Palestinians attacks that have marred their lives for so long.
Jews from Israel will also be encouraged to join them in the new suburbs, like Refugee-City, where they can enjoy the marvelous vista of downtown Al-Majma’ah.
No need to reduce the settlers homes to rubble before they leave.
These will then be handed to those of the new East-Palestinian State, appropriately named al-Kuds (the Holy Land) in exchange for housing around Al-Majma’ah.
WIN-WIN-WIN.

Posted by: Gruff Enuff | Feb 10 2025 1:55 utc | 51

Journalist Youssef Fares
“US President Donald Trump:
-I hope that Saudi Arabia and several countries in the region that have huge amounts of money will spend some of it on making the Palestinians feel comfortable.
-I think the Palestinians will be happy to live in the Middle East near their loved ones, and I think it is a long way for them to live in the United States, but we will look at each file separately if some of them want to seek asylum in the United States.
-Palestinians in Gaza will not return to the territory once they have a safe place to live without Hamas.
-When Gulf leaders talk to me, they will resettle Palestinians there.”
Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“US President Donald Trump:
-The hostages who are being released with Hamas look like they have just come out of the Holocaust, and they were treated brutally, and I don’t know how long we can tolerate this demonstration.
-Leaders of other regions will regain their enthusiasm for hosting Palestinians once they talk to me.
US President Donald Trump says his patience with Hamas’s hostage behavior is running out.
-Gaza will be razed to the ground and rebuilt, there will be no Hamas after that, and the Palestinians will live in peace and harmony, perhaps for the first time in their lives.
-We will rebuild Gaza through other wealthy countries in the Middle East.
-Gaza is a prime real estate location that we cannot abandon.
-Hamas was disastrous for the Gaza Strip
-The Palestinians will not want to return to Gaza if we provide them with a better alternative.”
Journalist Youssef Fares
“Yedioth Ahronoth:
Netanyahu plans to present Israel’s demands for the second phase for approval at the cabinet meeting on Tuesday.
Assessments in Israel are that Hamas will not accept the Israeli demands for the second phase.
The demands include the expulsion of Hamas’s leadership from Gaza, the dismantling of its military wing, its disarmament, and the release of all hostages….
Because of the expectations that Hamas will reject the demands, Israel will make efforts to extend the first phase as much as possible.
The goal of seeking to extend the first phase is to allow for the release of more hostages and an extension of the ceasefire.”

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 2:17 utc | 53

It is a demographic war.
The Zionists want to eliminate women of reproductive age and their children.
Nothing personal. Just policy.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 1:06 utc | 49
What is the nature of your heart in this post?
Posted by: anon | Feb 10 2025 1:40 utc | 50
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Oh, come on.
Does one have to provide an emoticon, no matter how obvious the intent?

Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 2:53 utc | 55

Jane has won her inaugural ,The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today Award” with this dizzy which calls ‘evil Genocide’ as ,’nothing personal’- of course it is, that is the exact point!!!:
“It is a demographic war.
The Zionists want to eliminate women of reproductive age and their children.
Nothing personal. Just policy.”
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 1:06 utc | 49

Posted by: canuck | Feb 10 2025 3:01 utc | 57

I think the Palestinians will be happy to live in the Middle East near their loved ones, and I think it is a long way for them to live in the United States, but we will look at each file separately if some of them want to seek asylum in the United States.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 2:17 utc | 53
Since the Saudis do not want the Palestinians of Gaza, Donald
Trump should bring the whole two million to NEW YORK CITY.
This will create a construction boom the likes of which have never been seen before.
A totally vibrant economy will develop with Palestinians taking tens of thousands of jobs in the banking, and retail sectors.
WIN-WIN-WIN.

Posted by: Gruff Enuff | Feb 10 2025 3:25 utc | 59

What the US wants–
>After a meeting with Lebanese President Joseph Aoun, Morgan Ortagus, the US deputy special envoy for the Middle East, told a news conference, “It is thanks to the Lebanese President Aoun and the Prime Minister-designate Nawaf Salam and everyone in this government… committed to making sure that Hezbollah is not a part of the new government in any form.”
What the US gets–
>After long days of deliberations, Lebanese President Joseph Aoun announced on Saturday night that the country had established a new government, the first in years. Consisting of 24 ministers, the terrorist Hezbollah organization is also part of the government, along with the fellow Shi’ite Amal party.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 10 2025 3:59 utc | 61

What if the “evidence” was planted by Israel itself and was fake? It looks like Hamas walked into a trap.
Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 10 2025 0:12 utc | 42
You may not be aware of this but HAMAS (an everyone in Gaza) has been in that trap for decades.
And no, the Zionists never needed an elabourate trap to make an excuse for genocide.
They could have started on any given day and the West would have done absolutely nothing to stop the holocaust.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 10 2025 4:43 utc | 63

Posted by: Cabe | Feb 10 2025 2:33 utc | 91
MOABs are dropped out of the back of C-130 aircraft at low altitude. Even the modest air defense systems of the hezzies is more than enough to make using them near impossible let alone Iran. The USA is now sending MOABs. Take a guess what they are going used on.

Posted by: Badjoke | Feb 10 2025 4:56 utc | 65

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 9 2025 16:18 utc | 7
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Well aside from the issue of not controlling Gaza.
We have to add in the current CW track-record of building infrastructure. In terms of how quickly, efficiently and cost-effectively it can be done.
Which is currently abysmal, I’ll be an olympic gold medalist. Before Trump gets his “Gaza gas”.
If he could harness the gas that escapes his face-hole, as an energy. Then the US would have energy independence at last…

Posted by: Urban Fox | Feb 10 2025 6:51 utc | 67

Muslims are just as capable of racism as anybody else.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 10 2025 4:50 utc | 64
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The Sunnah of the Prophet SAW, is explicitly anti-racist.
The Prophet SAW was perfect when speaking on Islamic matters as he did during his final sermon before his death.
Any Muslim who is racist is a bad Muslim, and violating one of the fundamental tenets of Islam.
We are all brothers and sisters to each other and before our master.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 10 2025 7:39 utc | 69

Following up on a comment I made to The Busker yesterday, here is my take on Trump meeting Netanyahu and saying those things about owning Gaza.
Netanyahu being the first foreign leader that Trump invites and Trump saying those things about ethnic cleaning Gaza alongide Netanyahu were conditions set by Israel to agree to the truce in Gaza.
If I am correct, Trump is a great politician, ’cause just by receiving some guy and saying some crazy things that will never be followed up with anything concrete, he saved lots of lifes in Gaza and allowed thousands of Palestinians to return to their lands in northern Gaza.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 10 2025 8:47 utc | 71

How could the UN, or any other organization or country, protest it at that point ?
Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 10 2025 0:16 utc | 43m
They’ll write a sternly worded letter. /sarcasm, American ™

Posted by: Mary | Feb 10 2025 9:43 utc | 73

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2025 4:29 utc | 62
Hey, Doofus, it was Trump that forced the ceasefire , not Biden.
You have no idea what the current US plan will be that does not at all impede your peasant ignorance.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 10 2025 11:12 utc | 75

“Nothing personal. Just business.” Is usually attributed to murikan gangsters. Jane obviously being sarcastic. Duh. Canuck maybe has been dipping into the cooking sherry. Or his hemorrhoids are flaring up.
Yes to Mary and Gregg Enough. But it could be refined. Every son of a bitch “investor” hedge fund retirement fund etc who made money off the MICIMAC massacre of civilians in Gaza should pay reparations. Starting from 1947. Starting with CON=gress and the insider trading queen Pelosi.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 10 2025 11:56 utc | 77

This is Russia – pretty shocking, but no real surprise.
(Notice how there is no mention of the main element of Trump’s plan – the expulsion of the Palestinians from Gaza.)
Kremlin needs more detail to assess Trump’s plans on Gaza
Earlier, the White House host stated that the US must “take over” Gaza and ensure that the radical Hamas movement does not return there
MOSCOW, February 10. /TASS/. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on US President Donald Trump’s idea to buy and rebuild the Gaza Strip, said that it is necessary to wait for the details of this plan, as many questions arise.
“We need to wait for some details if we mean a coherent plan of action. There are almost 1.2 million Palestinians who live there, that’s the key concern. These are the people whom the relevant [UN] Security Council resolutions promised a state solution to the Middle East problem, and so on and so forth. There are a lot of such issues. We don’t know the details yet, so we need to be patient,” the Kremlin spokesman said.

Posted by: JB | Feb 10 2025 12:04 utc | 79

Demographic war? What is the difference with a religious war?

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 10 2025 12:28 utc | 81

Breaking the cease-fire in Gaza:
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An elderly woman was killed by a gunshot to the chest fired by occupation forces northeast of Al-Qarara in Khan Yunis.
A martyr was shot by the Israeli occupation army in the Zeitoun neighborhood, south of Gaza City
Three martyrs arrive at the Baptist Hospital after the occupation targeted citizens while they were returning to their homes near the Malka site east of Gaza City
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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West Bank:
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Israeli Education Minister:
It is time to impose Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank.
The presence of the new US administration is a historic opportunity to impose sovereignty over the West Bank.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Around 580 Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank in January, according to an Al Jazeera report.
Local groups tracking Israel’s detention of Palestinian prisoners said in a joint statement that the highest number of cases were recorded in Jenin and its refugee camp, which Israel has been besieging for 21 days.
At least 60 children were among those arrested, along with 17 women, the groups said.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israel-arrested-around-580-arrested-west-bank-january-monitors-say?nid=417957&topic=Israel%2527s%2520war%2520on%2520Gaza&fid=542257
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Over 35,000 Palestinians have been displaced from their homes in the occupied West Bank, as Israeli assaults have intensified after a ceasefire agreement took hold in the Gaza Strip.
The Israeli occupation’s escalation follows a broader military assault that began on 21 January in Jenin and surrounding towns and refugee camps, killing at least 25 people. The occupation army expanded its attack into Tulkarm on 27 January killing 8 more Palestinians. A 2-year-old child was among the deaths, shot in the head by an Israeli sniper.
https://x.com/MiddleEastMnt/status/1888920907084910798?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1888920907084910798%7Ctwgr%5Ed29cdef1ab563866fccac900cabddf7fbf229b62%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.middleeastmonitor.com%2F20250207-trumps-gaza-plan-condemned-as-palestinians-vow-to-stay%2F
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The Israeli army has expanded the scope of its “open-fire” orders in the occupied West Bank, leading to ies, widespread power outages, mass arrests, and forced displacement. a rise in civilian deaths during Israel’s current assault across the territory, Haaretz newspaper reported on 10 February. 
Unit commanders in the Israeli army told the daily that the central command has decided to apply the “open-fire mechanism” used by its forces in the Gaza Strip – which permitted the shooting and killing of any unarmed Palestinian regardless of whether they were a suspect or not. 
Soldiers said that the head of the central command, Avi Balut, has allowed shooting to kill without resorting to detention, adding that the increase in the number of deaths of unarmed Palestinians was “unusual.”
Army unit commanders cited in the report also say that any vehicle coming from the combat zone can be shot at, meaning Palestinians who are fleeing from the attacks and have been displaced by Israel’s operations are in the line of fire. 
According to the report, the Israeli army has used civilians to search buildings for explosives planted by the Palestinian resistance – similar to tactics used in Gaza. 
The Israeli army has denied what was stated, saying, “There is no change in the open-fire instructions.”
Three people were killed in the Nour Shams Refugee Camp in Tulkarem on 9 February, including a pregnant woman – whose fetus could not be saved due to Israeli forces preventing the arrival of medical teams to the site. The woman was fleeing with her family to find a safe location. 
An Israeli army spokesman said that operations in the occupied West Bank have now been expanded to officially include Nour Shams Camp.
Meanwhile, the assault on Jenin – which kicked off Israel’s current war against the occupied West Bank – has now entered its 21st day. At least 25 people have been killed in Jenin and its camp. 
Five others have been killed in Tulkarem. Over 26,000 Palestinians have been displaced from both cities, and hundreds of homes were destroyed. 
The Israeli army has also continued its offensive in Tamoun and Al-Faraa Refugee Camp in Tubas, conducting house-to-house searches under drone strikes.
Residents face severe shortages of supplies, food and water.
https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-expands-west-bank-open-fire-orders-against-unarmed-civilians
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Lebanon:
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Mountains of rubble and debris line the roads in Khiam, on Lebanon’s eastern border with Israel. Months of heavy fighting between Hezbollah and Israel have left most of the town unrecognisable. 
The buildings still standing are ridden with bullet holes. Some walls and doors have been entirely blasted off, revealing overturned furniture inside. Others bore traces of the presence of Israeli soldiers, who had occupied the area for around six weeks before withdrawing on 12 December. 
Trash left by Israeli forces is littered throughout homes, and walls have been vandalised with provocative graffiti.
In one three-storey house, past the military schedules scrawled into the stairwell, Israeli soldiers had scattered their faeces in bags around the rooftop. 
Despite the destruction, Khiam’s residents are still returning. […]
In late October, Israeli forces entered Khiam and began to shell residential neighbourhoods. Over 20 people from two families – farmers who had stayed to tend to their land – were trapped inside the town, and lost contact with the outside. 
For a week, the UN’s peacekeeping troops and the Lebanese Red Cross were prevented from rescuing the families, among them women and children. 
By the time the rescue workers entered, both families had been killed. 
Khiam’s mukhtar (a local official responsible for records), who asked to go by Mukhtar Qassem, told MEE that over 100 people, including Hezbollah fighters and civilians, had been killed in the town. […]
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/lebanese-bones-memories-israeli-abuse-khiam
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Posted by: teri | Feb 10 2025 14:04 utc | 83

So, not a relgious war (jews versus muslims and palestinian chirstians) but a demographic / economic “struggle”.
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 14:16 utc | 84
If the Euro/American adherents of a certain religion had not tried to colonise the ME, there wouldn’t be a problem of the kind we actually have. Elsewhere in the ME they were coping more or less with the water shortages, until the foreign adherents of this religion came along, which caused the intense wars we have.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 10 2025 14:45 utc | 85

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 23:04 utc | 36
Financial liability is not revenge. It is deterrence.
Yes, I care about Palestinians. And the next people the US will target.
Btw, just read an interesting article that suggests leverage the CCP may have against a few choice American Zios, should they choose to use it.
https://huabinoliver.substack.com/p/china-should-hurt-trump-where-it/comments?post_id=156857518&comments=true&utm_source=substack

Posted by: Mary | Feb 10 2025 16:07 utc | 87

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 10 2025 14:45 utc | 85
Zionism has always been the tool of Gangster Capitalism. If there was no oil in the Middle East, the Ashkenazi’s would still be in Europe and the Sephardic would be coexisting peacefully in the land as they have for the prior 400 years.

Posted by: Deniz 152 | Feb 10 2025 16:26 utc | 89

@88 ROS
The approach is odd, kind of like a forward reverse of the decolonialisation that took place around the world earlier last century.
It is like declaring Palestine (or Gaza in this case) as a colonial reality and then moving towards international resolution of the territory, at the exact same time as trying to implement a colonial reality on the territory, a territory that was never actually colonised in real (i.e. demographic) terms.
Its enough to mess up anyone’s thinking because it does not make sense except if taken as a form of absurdity.

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 16:31 utc | 91

Posted by: Georgie | Feb 10 2025 12:20 utc | 80
As much as we’d all love to see Russia take up a moral leadership role in opposing Trump’s idiotic ethnic cleansing for a golf course plan, from a realpolitik perspective, it might be the best news they’ve gotten.
While the USA gets stuck in another Vietnam, they can munch popcorn and laugh their asses off.
Watching your enemy set himself on fire, the best advice is to not get too close else you might get burned.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 10 2025 16:42 utc | 93

WMG 84
Alistair Crooke had a twinkle in his eye today, on his return from Moscow.
A twinkle that said that Netanyahu and his mad men and women have cooked their goose. They have achieved nothing and united the world against Zionism for eever. BIG Thanks to him for twinkling that.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 10 2025 17:08 utc | 95

@laguerre (#85):
It certainly is a demographic / economic “struggle”.
Agree. Especially the US has been meddling in the MENA A LOT OF times. If the US wouldn’t have interfered then the MENA wouldhave been a much peacefull place.
But arab governments could have doen A LOT to reduce the population growth in MENA. Those government also have made A LOT OF dumb decisions. So, in total MENA is a REAL mess caused by multiple countries / governments including those in MENA.

Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 17:27 utc | 97

@librul (#90):
Fully agree. That immigration of (nominally) “jews” has made things only worse. More people propped up in a small country. A good recipe for more “turmoil”.

Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 17:35 utc | 99