Palestine Open Thread 2025-029
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Posted by b on February 9, 2025 at 13:57 UTC | Permalink
next page »see the 34-second video at the first link
see the 23-second video at the third link. there will be no rest for the wicked
the zionist israelis are the nazis of the 21st century
https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1888214352039223644
Suppressed News. @SuppressedNws
⚡️BREAKING: “They beat us in front of the Red Cross”
A Palestinian hostage, released after 22 years of unlawful Israeli imprisonment, reveals that detainees were beaten up even in their final moments before release right in front of the Red Cross.
https://x.com/The_Acumen/status/1887361302219092312
AshleyStevens @The_Acumen
Sometimes I randomly think about how The President of the United States that lied about seeing 40 beheaded babies, and we just moved along as a country as if that wasn’t the most heinous shit ever. Absolutely no one paid a price for that lie.
https://x.com/PeoplesForumNYC/status/1888014595941359785
The People's Forum @PeoplesForumNYC
💥🗣️ WAR CRIMINAL YOAV GALLANT CONFRONTED ON THE STREETS OF NEW YORK BY PRO-PALESTINE ORGANIZERS! The Former Minister of defense of Israel, who has a warrant out for his arrest for war crimes and crimes against humanity by the International Criminal Court (ICC), will not live a single day in peace!
🇵🇸 People all around the world stand with Palestine and against the brutal Israeli apartheid regime—we will continue to struggle everyday until TOTAL LIBERATION for the Palestinian people. There will be no rest for the wicked!
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 9 2025 14:28 utc | 2
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1888504368237818355
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
A great victory for the Palestinians and a defeat for Benjamin Netanyahu and the extreme right who wanted to build settlements in Gaza:
The Netzarem corridor is open after the withdrawal of ALL of the occupation forces, having burned all four bases previously established.
https://x.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1888559779733225663
Lowkey @Lowkey0nline
Israel shot and killed an 8-months-pregnant woman today in the Nour Shams refugee camp in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers stopped any medical assistance from reaching them, so both she and the baby inside her died.
Her name was Sundus Shalabi.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 9 2025 15:02 utc | 3
Posting this for Arch
Ayatollah Khamenei: "A president once told me after my speech that everyone is afraid of the US except you. Then he added that he himself is afraid of the US.The voice that rose clearly against the unjust world order was the voice of the revolution and the Islamic Republic. That is why they were against us then and remain against us today."
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 15:35 utc | 4
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 15:35 utc | 4
I believe the Ayatollahs are nobler even than that:
They fear the Great Satan but will not bow to him.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 9 2025 16:09 utc | 5
Israel shot and killed an 8-months-pregnant woman today in the Nour Shams refugee camp in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers stopped any medical assistance from reaching them, so both she and the baby inside her died.
Her name was Sundus Shalabi.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 9 2025 15:02 utc | 3
Rest in the arms of your god, Sundus Shalabi and child.
Mother Mary and Jesus murdered by Herod in the holy land.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 9 2025 16:12 utc | 6
Asia Times
Trump’s Gaza takeover all about natural gas
Move could open way to sell Gaza gas to Europe, locking Russia out of the continent’s energy matrix for a generation
US President Donald Trump has said America “will take over” the Gaza Strip, while the Palestinians who live there should be relocated to Jordan or Egypt.
One of the most crucial yet overlooked reasons behind this decision is energy. Both Israel and Gaza have massive offshore natural gas reserves. Developing these resources could help fund Gaza’s reconstruction.
https://asiatimes.com/2025/02/trumps-gaza-takeover-all-about-natural-gas/
offshore gas fields - image
https://i0.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Israel-Gaza-Gas.jpg?w=1000&quality=89&ssl=1
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 9 2025 16:18 utc | 7
Trust the wisdom of the President.
As soon as the Gaza plans become concrete and he gives the GO for “Make Gaza Great Again”
there will be immediate and lasting peace and the grateful Palestinians will worldwide celebrate and dance
and run through the streets with US flags shouting “USA USA USA”.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Feb 9 2025 16:38 utc | 8
“Make Gaza Great Again”
Posted by: guest from franconia | Feb 9 2025 16:38 utc | 8
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פֿון דײַנע ליפּן ביז גאָטס אויערן
Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 16:48 utc | 9
The Grayzone Live (& vid)
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1887941739312464220
"Golden pagers on the Riviera."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 9 2025 17:00 utc | 10
@ guest from franconia | Feb 9 2025 16:38 utc | 8
You simply must be trolling. Surely no sentient being could seriously post anything so mind-numbingly stupid.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 9 2025 17:11 utc | 11
Just repeating the set of local Palestine links....
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/NewsPs0?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 17:40 utc | 12
@11 Malenkov
Trolling the US ? I take it as making a parody of the US.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 17:46 utc | 13
When Netanyahu's son said 'Hitler'.
"Israeli" citizens were taking to the streets in the thousands to protest PM Netanyahu's power grab.
There was a way to unite the disparate factions to be under PM Netanyahu and that came with the so-called "failures"
of October 7th.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/yair-netanyahu-compares-anti-overhaul-protesters-to-nazi-brownshirts/
Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2025 18:04 utc | 14
A lot of assessment appears to be going on in the pause. Roughly:
The idea of creating a Palestine state on foreign lands, or mass displacement, is rejected by almost all.
Deliveries to Gaza are said to be well short of those agreed on.
Continued destruction in West Bank and Lebanon, with threats to increase military activity in West Bank by occupation.
Attention has also been directed at Iran, with US and "Israel" pressuring for some kind of unknown agreement to avoid military intervention.
...
Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
"Channel 14 on a letter from Likud ministers to Netanyahu:
-Sovereignty must be imposed in the West Bank to prevent a future massacre.
-The time is right to impose our sovereignty over the West Bank."
Journalist Youssef Fares
"Three martyrs arrived at the Baptist Hospital after the occupation targeted citizens while they were returning to their homes east of Kuwait Roundabout, east of Gaza City"
Journalist Youssef Fares
"MK Michal Miriam Voldiger:
A difficult morning, with the spread of images of the withdrawal from the Netzarim axis, it reminds us of the soldiers who were killed in order to control it."
Video of Netzarim from today:
https://t.me/youseffares19/67435
https://t.me/youseffares19/67431
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 19:28 utc | 15
This is how warped America is.
The Democratic Party--the party of the Gaza Genocide--are crowing over Donald Trump's call to ethnically cleanse Palestine, not because they oppose this plan but because they think it makes the Democrats look good in comparison.
Any and every issue will be manipulated and weaponized by the American Empire's political factions to fight out their petty turf wars.
Joe Biden Fans' VILE Crowing Over Trump's Gaza Ethnic Cleansing Demand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=OXU6dhMHS01CobFt&v=GcNPymD8wlM&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: ak74 | Feb 9 2025 20:16 utc | 16
https://southfront.press/what-are-trumps-plans-for-the-gaza-strip/
From the link:
"However, the revelations of the leaders of the al-Qassam Brigades show that Hamas launched a preemptive strike to prevent Netanyahu from launching an intervention in the Gaza Strip. A few days before their operation, the Hamas leadership received a number of documents according to which the Zionists planned surprise air attacks, and then a ground invasion was to follow. Having received evidence of the “Israelis’” plans, Hamas decided to act preemptively."
I had not seen this point of view before, and I find it interesting...but while Israel may have been surprised by the attack, it gave them the very excuse they needed to flatten Gaza.
Posted by: A rope leash | Feb 9 2025 20:16 utc | 17
ZH has a posting up with the title
Syria's New Rulers 'Open' To Letting Russian Bases Stay
quote
It appears the new Syrian government realizes it may be more valuable to deal with Russia closely rather than force its exit from the region, as part of a pragmatic approach:
Russia’s attitude toward the new Syrian government has “improved significantly” since the fall of President Bashar al-Assad in December, and Damascus is weighing Moscow’s demands, Abu Qasra said, signaling a dramatic shift among the former militants who make up the new Syrian government.Until recently, rebel fighters like Abu Qasra, a key leader in Syria’s insurgency, were under constant bombardment by Russian warplanes. But “in politics, there are no permanent enemies,” he said of Moscow, once Assad’s most powerful ally. Asked if Russia would be allowed to maintain its naval port at Tartus and the Hmeimim air base in Latakia, Abu Qasra said: “If we get benefits for Syria out of this, yes.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2025 20:46 utc | 18
Ayman Hanideq | Journalist
#Urgent | NBC on the US National Security Advisor: Anyone who opposes Trump's proposal on Gaza should present a better plan.
- US National Security Advisor: Trump presented a plan that addresses the situation of two million people in Gaza living in the rubble, and no one has presented a better plan.
- US National Security Advisor to NBC: "Israel" will destroy Hamas if it does not respect the agreement, and Trump sees the matter from a practical perspective.
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Here's a better plan: All dual-citizens in Israel return to their home countries.
Single-citizen "Israelis" find a country that will take them.
Any Israelis that are unwanted can move to Florida, NYC or Nevada desert.
Palestinians whose homes were occupied by "settler terrorists" can return to their homes.
Palestinians whose homes were destroyed by US/Israel can live in homes abandoned by the occupiers.
US pays reparations & rebuild to the Palestinian state for its war crimes & wanton destruction of critical infrastructure.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 21:18 utc | 19
Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 21:18 utc | 19
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The "better plan" is obvious and international law.
A Palestinian state.
No cost to American "taxpayers".
Palestine can organize its one rebuilding without American money or corporate help.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 21:30 utc | 20
Palestine can organize its own rebuilding without American money or corporate help.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 21:31 utc | 21
From the link:
"However, the revelations of the leaders of the al-Qassam Brigades show that Hamas launched a preemptive strike to prevent Netanyahu from launching an intervention in the Gaza Strip. A few days before their operation, the Hamas leadership received a number of documents according to which the Zionists planned surprise air attacks, and then a ground invasion was to follow. Having received evidence of the “Israelis’” plans, Hamas decided to act preemptively."
@Posted by: A rope leash | Feb 9 2025 20:16 utc | 17
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My gut is saying, "don't buy into this narrative."
If it were true then "Israel" fed the documents to Hamas intentionally, so as to provoke the Hamas jail break attack. imho
"Israel" had invaded and defiled the al Aqsa mosque
a few days before their operation
as an intentional provocation.
"Israel" defiled the mosque on
October 1st
and again on
October 2nd
and again on
October 3rd
and again on
October 4th
and again on
October 5th.
Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2025 21:42 utc | 22
The Telegraph is boldly sharing John Bolton's opinion on what is to be done with the displaced Palestinians of Gaza
It’s time to forget about a two state solution for GazaUNRWA should be closed down and Palestinians handled as all other refugees are, by the UNHCR
... UNRWA, the UN’s Palestine relief agency, which is functionally an arm of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, should be abolished, and responsibility for Palestinian refugees transferred to the UN High Commission for Refugees. In turn, the UNHCR should follow its basic humanitarian doctrine, under which refugees are either repatriated to their country of origin, or, if that is not possible, resettled in other countries. There is nothing forcible about UNHCR resettlement, since both refugees and recipient countries must agree. But it is also true that, unlike UNRWA, UNHCR refugee camps do not last forever.
This is not to the detriment of Palestinians: exactly the opposite. ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/09/forget-about-two-state-solution-gaza-palestine/
Reading The Telegraph is always a visit to a barking mad carnival funhouse. Scary and surreal.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 21:48 utc | 23
Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
"Trump:
- Committed to buying and owning Gaza and may give parts of it to other countries in the Middle East to rebuild
- I will turn Gaza into a good site for future development
- I will care about the Palestinians and make sure they are not killed
- I will look into individual cases to allow Palestinian refugees to enter America
- I will meet with Mohammed bin Salman and Sisi
- Countries in the Middle East will receive the Palestinians after they talk to me"
I don't have the original source for Trumps statements, lost in translations (?) etc.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 21:56 utc | 24
"A [before and after] picture of the Palestinian prisoner Ibrahim Al-Shawish after his release from Israeli prisons, and the Hebrew media is still talking about the starvation of Israeli prisoners!"
https://t.me/youseffares19/67477
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 22:09 utc | 25
Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 21:48 utc | 23
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The Telegraph is regime media which is why they allow a nutcase like Bolton to speak.
Bolton, in typically Western fashion, has zero interest in the Global Majority or the UN which claims to represent such.
The best thing is, that Americans like Bolton are driving the decoupling of the West from the ROW.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 22:10 utc | 26
Ornot 24
With Trump , it feels like we are in some kind of electronic book that continually writes itself by AI according to his manic imagination responses.
Another word for such a book could be a " blog " called Moon of MaraLago which inversely spirals into fantasy LSD nightmare the more you read it.
Maybe that Flower Power '50s and '60s generation did some permanent damage to their braincells which has permanently scarred them mentally in their later years.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 9 2025 22:15 utc | 27
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 9 2025 22:20 utc | 28
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Bolton and Trump are helping the Global Majority to overcome America, even though that is not their intention.
May Allah SWT protect and preserve them.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 22:25 utc | 29
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 21:30 utc | 20
The US supplied weapons used to flatten Gaza & the West Bank, & greenlighted Israel to "finish the job." It has left hundreds of thousands of Palestinians dead, crippled, starving, & sick, with 40,000 orphans to care for. The sick, injured & orphans need medical treatment now, not 5 years from now. Which means hospitals & doctors elsewhere.
War reparations do not mean the US has any control. Simply provide an annual check to cover expenses until the population has recovered from starvation & sufficient infrastructure is restored so that they can rebuild their lives.
The US does NOT get to walk away scot-free to go back to its genocidal ways. Not in my universe.
You don't want the taxpayers to pay? Then find a way to extract the $$ from the billionaires who expected to profit by this mass murder.
Then maybe, just maybe, they'll find another way to "earn" money.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 22:26 utc | 30
Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 21:48 utc | 23
Replace Palestinians with Israelis -- who actually do have other places of origin -- & he's got a plan.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 22:28 utc | 31
The US does NOT get to walk away scot-free to go back to its genocidal ways. Not in my universe.
You don't want the taxpayers to pay? Then find a way to extract the $$ from the billionaires who expected to profit by this mass murder.
Then maybe, just maybe, they'll find another way to "earn" money.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 22:26 utc | 30
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This sort of thinking is the excuse the US will use to forever stay in the Middle East.
Just allow a Palestinian State, and everything will get sorted as it has every time Crusaders invaded and mass murdered in the past.
I don't care about US taxpayers. I am thinking of crafting a simple message that the dumbest Americans can understand and not object to.
Only committed Zionists would oppose this plan.
Turkiye, Russia, China, Iran, KSA, and other Arab states would gladly rebuild Gaza (and the West Bank) if Palestine was a sovereign nation that could trade and ally with them. Gaza has a lot of wealth which Bibi already sold licences to. The offshore gas fields for instance.
The people of Gaza are not poor, they have been kept in a concentration camp for decades and not allowed to develop their own airport, let alone resource industry.
Trump doesn't care about the Riviera. He wants the natural resources and a shot to seize the Suez canal as part of Greater Israel. The Gazans have the misfortune of being in the way.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 22:37 utc | 32
@27 Giyane
In effect, the levant is now lawless and the surrounding countries are on a back foot. In that circumstance there is space to occupy the picture and agenda, but once the presenter (US/Trump) gets up from the table we will see what they have really brought with them.
Trump might well be sincere (including with any contentious ideas), but the organisations that ride on his tailcoat and that arrange in his shadow are something very very different.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 22:39 utc | 33
Trump doesn't care about the Riviera. He wants the natural resources and a shot to seize the Suez canal as part of Greater Israel. The Gazans have the misfortune of being in the way.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 22:37 utc | 32
Tell me something I don't already know.
I understand the desire to simply cut ties & get back to life.
But I don't believe serial mass murderers should be allowed to get on with their lives & get back to murdering. Without accountability & liability the crimes just move to new victims & grow.
The Inuits have it right. They take care of their kunlageta early, as soon as they out themselves with bad behavior. Take them ice fishing & when nobody is looking, into the ice water the psychopath "falls."
Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 23:00 utc | 34
The Trump/Netanyahu plan to expel the Palestinians from Gaza, and the WB, is nothing but a grave crime.
It is also a conscious, public rejection of a Palestinian state and an expression of the intention to expand Zionist Israel on the entire territory of historic Palestine.
Taunting others to come up with a "better plan" is a brazen distraction that no one should fall for.
The expulsion of Palestinians "all of them" (Trump) is not a new idea, as Netanyahu falsely claims, but the old, main Zionist goal.
Israeli officials are now saying that anyone who wants a Palestinian state can establish it on their own territory.
By that they are making double clear that the "two state solution", ICJ decisions and any other international decisions about Palestine do not exist for them )and the US).
That is not new, since Israel has not abided by any international decisions on the Palestine question.
Gaza will be rebuilt, but US/Israel will do all they can to prevent that by putting up obstacles, or by reigniting the fighting in Gaza.
The latest US massive financial and weapons package, and the official rhetoric, suggest that the genocide in Gaza will continue. Israel's actions on the ground also suggest that.
The "better plan" distraction serves the purpose of turning attention away from the preparations for whatever further horror Trump and Netanyahu have mapped out in DC, where they exchanged symbolic gifts- a golden pager for Trump and the key to the White House for Netanyahu.
The only urgent plan that is needed is - how to lock these mass murderers on the loose in the dust bin of history. How to get them out of Palestine, and out of our lives - forever.
Posted by: JB | Feb 9 2025 23:02 utc | 35
Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 23:00 utc | 34
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The past is written. It cannot be changed.
If you really care about the Palestinians, focus on securing their future, not revenge.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 23:04 utc | 36
The only urgent plan that is needed is - how to lock these mass murderers on the loose in the dust bin of history. How to get them out of Palestine, and out of our lives - forever.
Posted by: JB | Feb 9 2025 23:02 utc | 35
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The individuals involved are not the real problem.
The ideology is.
Everyone should be focused less on hating Bibi or Trump and more on denouncing Zionism as racial supremacy.
As long as Zionism persists, they will always find replacements for Trump and Bibi.
Making it about individual personalities is how we're ruled and divided all of the time. It's a trap. An emotional trap like the pursuit of ex-post justice.
Establish a Palestinian state in Palestine, and Zionism will wither and disappear. Without the cause of Greater Israel, Zionism has no purpose.
Or people can self-indulgently screw around bitching about Bibi, until every Palestinian has been killed.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 23:08 utc | 37
@librul | Feb 9 2025 21:42 utc | 22
That makes sense, and it fits with the usual method of operation...goad them until they respond, then slaughter them because they responded.
@Mary | Feb 9 2025 21:18 utc | 19
Thank you.
@Giyane | Feb 9 2025 22:15 utc | 27
There are two kinds of people in the world...those who have dropped acid and those who have not. While psychedelics enjoyed a certain popularity in the '60s and even now is a cult substance, most folks are transient users who realize that it isn't something that can be sustained by the brain on a regular basis. Psychedelics and their adherents are out there in the world, but I doubt that their numbers are great enough to have a major effect on mental illness in the general population.
...and there's an awful lot of mental illness out there. Magic mushrooms are now being sold as help for depression...and I believe it could help because it will show you your mind.
Posted by: A rope leash | Feb 9 2025 23:20 utc | 38
Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 21:48 utc | 23
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This seems like a good time to recall that "it was Israel and Zionist Jewish organizations abroad that were behind the decision to keep the IRO [International Refugee Organization] out of the picture." They INSISTED on the creation of a separate entity that was "was set up simply to provide employment and subsidies" for permanently displaced Pals. NOT to work to repatriate them. Hence the creation of the UN Relief and Work Agency, to keep Pals in a separate category from other refugees being helped by the UNHCR under UN GAss Resolution 194. Because the UNHCR's brief was to resettle refugees in their countries of origin and also was helping Jews to settle in Palestine.
The UN let the Zionist get away with this cynical ploy to remove from Pals the protections and help given to other refugees and to isolate them in their own category. It should be no surprise that Israel pulled the plug on the UNRWA when they thought they could find a pretext to do so by criminalizing the organization that they insisted should be created.
This is documented and explained at Pappe The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, pp. 236--37.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2025 23:45 utc | 39
@35 JB
"...suggest that the genocide in Gaza will continue. Israel's actions on the ground also suggest that."
It is what I expect to happen, though I hope I am wrong on that.
In reality Trump's offers should be framed not only as an attempted route from a dismal circumstance but also as backed by a threat to return to the killing if they are not accepted.
I don't think anyone locally will be misled much on that. It is also the sort of formula that might be tried repeatedly until acceptance or outright destruction.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 9 2025 23:45 utc | 40
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1886992697665409034
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
Director of http://electronicintifada.net. Author of “One Country”and “The Battle for Justice in Palestine.”
The US will not be occupying Gaza and Donald Trump won’t be building any resorts there. But on the whole it’s good that Trump announces the evil plans of the US openly instead of pretending to care about Palestinians while mass murdering them like the genocidal Democrats.
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1886994976074047936
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
The Democrats threw every bomb they had at Gaza to help the child-murdering “Israeli” underwear thieves try to take it over and failed. They can destroy and kill but the resistance still defeated them. Trump does not have any magic the Genocidal Democrats did not have.
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1887232256030450159
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
It’s not going to happen. It was never going to happen. If “Israel” couldn’t take over Gaza no one else will. Gaza is Palestine and its people are rooted there.
There is no plan and more importantly no means for an American occupation and annexation of Gaza. Donald Trump will not will into existence what 15 months of unlimited Biden-armed “Israeli” barbarity failed to produce.
“Several advisers to Mr. Trump said they expected the Gaza ownership idea to die away quietly as it became clear to Mr. Trump that it was unfeasible. And that already seemed to be happening by Wednesday afternoon.”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 9 2025 23:45 utc | 41
" Having received evidence of the “Israelis’” plans, Hamas decided to act preemptively."
Posted by: A rope leash | Feb 9 2025 20:16 utc | 17 "
What if the "evidence" was planted by Israel itself and was fake? It looks like Hamas walked into a trap.
Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 10 2025 0:12 utc | 42
If the US is successful with its Gaza plan, wont that open the door for every other country to get rid of its own "undesirable" populations? How could the UN, or any other organization or country, protest it at that point ?
Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 10 2025 0:16 utc | 43
Appaently Jews that dis Jews are antisemites. I always thought they were seen as Self hating Jews??
Mark Leibler
@LeiblerMark
Nothing, but nothing, is worse than those Jews who level totally unfounded allegations of genocide and ethnic cleansing against the State of Israel. They are repulsive and revolting human beings. Their relatives who were murdered by the Nazis - the role models for Hamas - will undoubtedly be turning in their graves. Their avowed anti Zionism is clearly no more than a cover for the reality that they are vicious antisemites.
https://x.com/LeiblerMark/status/1888198921069232537
Posted by: Menz | Feb 10 2025 0:26 utc | 44
Katie Halper is a Jew For #CeasefireNow
@kthalps
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Feb 4
“Hound them everywhere they go.” @MaxBlumenthal
on how to treat Tony Blinken, whose presser he interrupted, Jake Sullivan, Matt Miller and everyone else who enabled the genocide in Gaza
https://x.com/kthalps/status/1886611953092870281
Posted by: Menz | Feb 10 2025 0:30 utc | 45
Bourdain would have said something similar on Butcher Blinkin
“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.”
https://x.com/ArchHedonist/status/1886628348299805163
Posted by: Menz | Feb 10 2025 0:46 utc | 46
@41 Michael
The conundrum I understand as this:
"Israel" cannot accept the Palestinian population of Gaza as it would be a demographic defeat of a "jewish state", leading to eventual Palestinian rule.
They cannot accept a Palestinian state because it cannot be policed by them and is accorded rights under various international laws.
Even a continued 'refugee colony' in Gaza governed by PA must lead to one of the above eventually, though efforts to play for time or to simply annex with low profile expulsion of the population might be tried, as per West Bank.
Add to this as completely secondary but part of the equation: Wanting "greater israel", resources, land, regional influence or control, etc.
In short the only option available given the above main points is expulsion of the Palestinian population. Even a co-opted PA signing away rights to "Israel" will not settle the demographic question.
So what we might be looking at really is a "nice offer" that will hardly be accepted, then a return to violence to "completely destroy Hamas" with refugee routes out allowed and further genocide, then a new similar offer, or simply a direct takeover except for border region with Egypt which becomes a tent refugee compound with only one route out to whatever country will take the Palestinians.
It is possible the full evacuation of northern Gaza could be ordered due to "necessity of use of very heavy ordnance" to attack tunnels, for example. Then south also towards border for same. Those who don't obey would probably not survive.
Much as I respect LD and others more positive views, it would be a very large mistake to underestimate the capabilities of an enemy.
There is a lot more in the picture and nothing is wrote, but I find no reason for any kind of optimism or certainty with regard. In fact, we can be fairly certain that "next moves" will be ones few expected, possibly not even easy to directly relate to Gaza.
@39 Jane
No criticism meant of UNRWA efforts or the workers who I am sure are mostly dedicated and honest, and I did not know that side to the story you presented, but I had always found something odd about the meaning or definition of UNRWA that set me at a distance from it. It isn't that I think it should have been banned or anything like that. Funny, I guess people are just able pick up on some of this sort of thing.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 0:55 utc | 47
Israel shot and killed an 8-months-pregnant woman today in the Nour Shams refugee camp in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers stopped any medical assistance from reaching them, so both she and the baby inside her died.
Her name was Sundus Shalabi.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 9 2025 15:02 utc | 3
My god, reading these accounts are so heart wrenching. I don't know how any person of any political spectrum can look the other way.
I can't take any liberal or conservative seriously that does mot know the hardships Palestinians have had to endure for generations. And any fighting back is is given the labels of 'radicalism' or 'terrorism.'
Shooting pregnant women is vile and is absolutely a known policy by the demonic nature that has infected the minds of Israeli's.
Posted by: anon | Feb 10 2025 0:57 utc | 48
Shooting pregnant women is vile and is absolutely a known policy by the demonic nature that has infected the minds of Israeli's.
Posted by: anon | Feb 10 2025 0:57 utc | 48
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It is a demographic war.
The Zionists want to eliminate women of reproductive age and their children.
Nothing personal. Just policy.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 1:06 utc | 49
It is a demographic war.
The Zionists want to eliminate women of reproductive age and their children.
Nothing personal. Just policy.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 1:06 utc | 49
What is the nature of your heart in this post? One can even view how Hamas has handled hostages, releasing women that were not raped, tortured, were clearly well fed and of high spirits, and I can only imagine if they were pregnant they would have cared for them doubly. So clearly the policy is different, one is for one life even in leverage, one is not for life, demonic, and pure evil.
Posted by: anon | Feb 10 2025 1:40 utc | 50
I propose a West Bank solution along the lines of that proposed by Donald Trump for Gaza.
All 600,000 Jewish settlers in the West Bank will be moved to Saudi Arabia where they will be guaranteed to live full and productive lives free from the viscous Palestinians attacks that have marred their lives for so long.
Jews from Israel will also be encouraged to join them in the new suburbs, like Refugee-City, where they can enjoy the marvelous vista of downtown Al-Majma'ah.
No need to reduce the settlers homes to rubble before they leave.
These will then be handed to those of the new East-Palestinian State, appropriately named al-Kuds (the Holy Land) in exchange for housing around Al-Majma'ah.
WIN-WIN-WIN.
Posted by: Gruff Enuff | Feb 10 2025 1:55 utc | 51
@ Menz | Feb 10 2025 0:26 utc | 44
Formerly, internal Jewish discourse and labeling went like this. Antisemites were non-Jewish enemies of the Jews, extended in the age of Zionism to vocal opponents of the State of Israel. Jews opposed to Zionism and Israel were described as self-hating Jews, a particular and precise Zionist technical term. However, because the status of Israel has been slipping owing to its ever-increasing extremism, the alarmed Zionists seem to have come to feel that calling their Jewish opponents self-hating Jews is not enough. Rather, now they are denouncing them as antisemites. But note that in his X post Leibler still calls those anti-Zionist Jews Jews. To denounce them as non-Jews is the shoe that mostly has yet to drop, although some have gone their. Returning the favor, the ultraorthodox firm anti-Zionist Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro in his book The Empty Wagon not only calls the Zionists Amelek but also begins to question their Judaism. This migration of the terminology on both sides to a more definitive break, although not cooked yet, suggests the possibility of a total schism inside of Judaism.
My assessment of this all is, concede nothing to the Zionists! Do not acknowledge their claim to Judaism at all, do not call them Jews, and do not denounce the Jews in general on their behalf. Zionists are idolatrous state worshipers, as Shapiro also says, they are "kissing the idol." The truth is, Zionists are both self-hating Jews, or rather people of Jewish origin who hate Judaism, as shown by the founding Zionists taking over European antisemitic descriptions of the Jews wholesale, and the Zionists are also antisemites, even if we accept the limitation of antisemitism to anti-Judaism, because of their blind nationalistic hatred of traditional Judaism. Their whole project is to use the Jews as raw material to create a nation-state which then becomes the be-all and end-all of their existence, and which is purified of Judaism except as window dressing.
Posted by: Cabe | Feb 10 2025 2:09 utc | 52
Journalist Youssef Fares
"US President Donald Trump:
-I hope that Saudi Arabia and several countries in the region that have huge amounts of money will spend some of it on making the Palestinians feel comfortable.
-I think the Palestinians will be happy to live in the Middle East near their loved ones, and I think it is a long way for them to live in the United States, but we will look at each file separately if some of them want to seek asylum in the United States.
-Palestinians in Gaza will not return to the territory once they have a safe place to live without Hamas.
-When Gulf leaders talk to me, they will resettle Palestinians there."
Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
"US President Donald Trump:
-The hostages who are being released with Hamas look like they have just come out of the Holocaust, and they were treated brutally, and I don't know how long we can tolerate this demonstration.
-Leaders of other regions will regain their enthusiasm for hosting Palestinians once they talk to me.
US President Donald Trump says his patience with Hamas's hostage behavior is running out.
-Gaza will be razed to the ground and rebuilt, there will be no Hamas after that, and the Palestinians will live in peace and harmony, perhaps for the first time in their lives.
-We will rebuild Gaza through other wealthy countries in the Middle East.
-Gaza is a prime real estate location that we cannot abandon.
-Hamas was disastrous for the Gaza Strip
-The Palestinians will not want to return to Gaza if we provide them with a better alternative."
Journalist Youssef Fares
"Yedioth Ahronoth:
Netanyahu plans to present Israel's demands for the second phase for approval at the cabinet meeting on Tuesday.
Assessments in Israel are that Hamas will not accept the Israeli demands for the second phase.
The demands include the expulsion of Hamas's leadership from Gaza, the dismantling of its military wing, its disarmament, and the release of all hostages....
Because of the expectations that Hamas will reject the demands, Israel will make efforts to extend the first phase as much as possible.
The goal of seeking to extend the first phase is to allow for the release of more hostages and an extension of the ceasefire."
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 2:17 utc | 53
'The People Are For Palestine - The Leaders Are For Israel' - [protest sign at TO Free Palestine rally]
Emmanuel Macron: Genocide Accomplice
https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1888604169428160908
"France allowed PM Netanyahu's plane to fly through its airspace twice despite an ICC warrant and France being legally obligated to abide by its decision."
Email President Macron
https://www.elysee.fr/en/contact/
Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 10 2025 2:40 utc | 54
It is a demographic war.
The Zionists want to eliminate women of reproductive age and their children.
Nothing personal. Just policy.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 1:06 utc | 49
What is the nature of your heart in this post?
Posted by: anon | Feb 10 2025 1:40 utc | 50
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Oh, come on.
Does one have to provide an emoticon, no matter how obvious the intent?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 2:53 utc | 55
Oh, come on.
Does one have to provide an emoticon, no matter how obvious the intent?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 2:53 utc | 55
people looking for anyone to lash out at
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 10 2025 2:57 utc | 56
Jane has won her inaugural ,The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today Award" with this dizzy which calls 'evil Genocide' as ,'nothing personal'- of course it is, that is the exact point!!!:
"It is a demographic war.
The Zionists want to eliminate women of reproductive age and their children.
Nothing personal. Just policy."
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2025 1:06 utc | 49
@ canuck | Feb 10 2025 3:01 utc | 57 who can't detect obvious sarcasm and continues to vomit shit onto the MoA bar floor that is OT
Stop posting when you drink would be my suggestion...you now read like a fool mostly.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2025 3:12 utc | 58
I think the Palestinians will be happy to live in the Middle East near their loved ones, and I think it is a long way for them to live in the United States, but we will look at each file separately if some of them want to seek asylum in the United States.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 2:17 utc | 53
Since the Saudis do not want the Palestinians of Gaza, Donald
Trump should bring the whole two million to NEW YORK CITY.
This will create a construction boom the likes of which have never been seen before.
A totally vibrant economy will develop with Palestinians taking tens of thousands of jobs in the banking, and retail sectors.
WIN-WIN-WIN.
Posted by: Gruff Enuff | Feb 10 2025 3:25 utc | 59
Tehran Times
Ayatollah Khamenei tells Hamas officials in Tehran meeting:
TEHRAN - Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, Leader of the Islamic Revolution, met with top Hamas officials in Tehran and emphasized that the Palestinians' victory in Gaza, after 15 months of war, represented a defeat of the United States even more than it did Israel. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 10 2025 3:49 utc | 60
What the US wants--
>After a meeting with Lebanese President Joseph Aoun, Morgan Ortagus, the US deputy special envoy for the Middle East, told a news conference, “It is thanks to the Lebanese President Aoun and the Prime Minister-designate Nawaf Salam and everyone in this government… committed to making sure that Hezbollah is not a part of the new government in any form.”
What the US gets--
>After long days of deliberations, Lebanese President Joseph Aoun announced on Saturday night that the country had established a new government, the first in years. Consisting of 24 ministers, the terrorist Hezbollah organization is also part of the government, along with the fellow Shi'ite Amal party.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 10 2025 3:59 utc | 61
From Reuters
Trump says US might lose patience with ceasefire deal
"They look like Holocaust survivors," Trump said of the gaunt condition of the latest hostages to be freed. "I don't know how much longer we can take that."
When does the ICJ put out a genocide arrest warrant for Trump and team?
His lack of acknowledgement of the existence of the Palestinians, many of who look more gaunt that the latest Occupied Palestine hostages makes me sick.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2025 4:29 utc | 62
What if the "evidence" was planted by Israel itself and was fake? It looks like Hamas walked into a trap.
Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 10 2025 0:12 utc | 42
You may not be aware of this but HAMAS (an everyone in Gaza) has been in that trap for decades.
And no, the Zionists never needed an elabourate trap to make an excuse for genocide.
They could have started on any given day and the West would have done absolutely nothing to stop the holocaust.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 10 2025 4:43 utc | 63
LoveDonbass 37
"The individuals involved are not the real problem.
The ideology is."
Yes, but. Although Psychology only looks at the Psyche from a limited , medical rational point of view, the concept of "projecting the things someone doesn't like about themselves onto others " , is a useful tool.
The problem with curing the coping mechanism of "projection" is that it terrifies the party that is coping, by means of hating others, and they double down harder on the coping mechanism.
The Zionists are panicked by the critics of their ideology, because without projecting their own guilt onto Palestinians they would have to face themselves. Then they double-down on their racism.
So the root of the problem is not the Ideology. The poisonous Ideology is the symptom. Jesus son of Mary AS tried to address the Jews of his own time Hating the Romans, to no avail. They merely doubled down on hate by hating him for trying to pick off the scab of their coping mechanism of hating.
Esa AS told them to practise worship of God instead of hating. But they couldn't listen then, to a prophet and a miracle from God , and they're certainly not going to listen to any helpful advice now.
The coping mechanism cannot be let go of. Whatever the Jews achieve by hating the Palestinians isn't going to satisfy them either because hate isn't spiritualy nourishing. Trump is trying to help them psychologically by saying the US will own Palestine , because the Jews know inside themselves that getting the land back won't cure their spiritual disease.
The cure for their disease is, and was given them by their Messiah AS 2000 years ago, worship of God. The same advice was given them by many prophets AS before him and by our own prophet SAW after him, to worship God, not the totem , The Land of Palestine.
Prohection of guilt onto the other is a deep subject which cannot be explained by psychology,but can be cured by the Holy teachings of the Messiah AS and our own prophet AS.
Muslims are just as capable of racism as anybody else. What's the difference between a Jew worshipping the land of Zion, a Christian worshipping Jesus AS , a Muslim worshipping the Caliph Ali RA and a Daesh worshipping the political power of USUKIS? They're none of them worshipping Allah in my opinion.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 10 2025 4:50 utc | 64
Posted by: Cabe | Feb 10 2025 2:33 utc | 91
MOABs are dropped out of the back of C-130 aircraft at low altitude. Even the modest air defense systems of the hezzies is more than enough to make using them near impossible let alone Iran. The USA is now sending MOABs. Take a guess what they are going used on.
Posted by: Badjoke | Feb 10 2025 4:56 utc | 65
From Xinhuanet
CAIRO, Feb. 9 (Xinhua) -- Egypt announced on Sunday that Cairo will host an emergency Arab summit on Feb. 27 to address the latest developments concerning the Palestinian issue and the Gaza Strip, the Egyptian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.The summit was decided to be held after Egypt's high-level consultations with Arab nations, including Palestine, which requested the summit, and coordination with Bahrain, the current chair of the Arab League (AL) summit and the AL secretariat, according to the statement.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2025 5:22 utc | 66
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 9 2025 16:18 utc | 7
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Well aside from the issue of not controlling Gaza.
We have to add in the current CW track-record of building infrastructure. In terms of how quickly, efficiently and cost-effectively it can be done.
Which is currently abysmal, I'll be an olympic gold medalist. Before Trump gets his "Gaza gas".
If he could harness the gas that escapes his face-hole, as an energy. Then the US would have energy independence at last...
Posted by: Urban Fox | Feb 10 2025 6:51 utc | 67
Were not the Nazi-dominated students accused by the Jews of Book Burning in 1933?
Asa Winstanley
@AsaWinstanley
Appalled to learn about the Israeli occupation's raid on the Educational Bookstore -- a Palestinian national institution in Jerusalem -- and the arrests of owner Mahmoud Muna and his nephew Ahmed.
Zionism = book burning.
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George Zeidan جورج زيدان
@gjzeidan
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As we continue to learn details about the arrest of Mahmoud Muna in jerusalem tonight. Here are some photos from the scene. The one on the left is the books they confiscated, the one on the right how they left the bookstore.
https://x.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1888709690726424849
Posted by: Menz | Feb 10 2025 7:18 utc | 68
Muslims are just as capable of racism as anybody else.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 10 2025 4:50 utc | 64
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The Sunnah of the Prophet SAW, is explicitly anti-racist.
The Prophet SAW was perfect when speaking on Islamic matters as he did during his final sermon before his death.
Any Muslim who is racist is a bad Muslim, and violating one of the fundamental tenets of Islam.
We are all brothers and sisters to each other and before our master.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 10 2025 7:39 utc | 69
The Godforsaken Genocide Jews have vacated the Netzarim Corridor in preparation for carpet bombing Gaza when Bibi orders the ceasefire to end and the Genocide to resume.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 10 2025 8:20 utc | 70
Following up on a comment I made to The Busker yesterday, here is my take on Trump meeting Netanyahu and saying those things about owning Gaza.
Netanyahu being the first foreign leader that Trump invites and Trump saying those things about ethnic cleaning Gaza alongide Netanyahu were conditions set by Israel to agree to the truce in Gaza.
If I am correct, Trump is a great politician, ’cause just by receiving some guy and saying some crazy things that will never be followed up with anything concrete, he saved lots of lifes in Gaza and allowed thousands of Palestinians to return to their lands in northern Gaza.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 10 2025 8:47 utc | 71
Posted by: anon | Feb 10 2025 1:40 utc | 50
You clearly are not American. Her statement is pure American biting sarcasm.
"Nothing personal. Just business," is attributed to the unethical, sociopathic businessman who just stole your wages or sold you a rotten product or in some other way robbed you blind.
Or, in the case of Israel, ran over your home with your family inside, to make space for Trump's Gaza al Lago.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 10 2025 9:39 utc | 72
How could the UN, or any other organization or country, protest it at that point ?
Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 10 2025 0:16 utc | 43m
They'll write a sternly worded letter. /sarcasm, American ™
Posted by: Mary | Feb 10 2025 9:43 utc | 73
If I am correct, Trump is a great politician, ’cause just by receiving some guy and saying some crazy things that will never be followed up with anything concrete, he saved lots of lifes in Gaza and allowed thousands of Palestinians to return to their lands in northern Gaza.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 10 2025 8:47 utc | 71
You say this as women and children are being gunned down in the street and a great big Palestinian holodomor is being prepared by the Jews.
Trump saved nobody but the zionazis.
He saved a lot of pedo IDF terrorists.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 10 2025 10:11 utc | 74
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2025 4:29 utc | 62
Hey, Doofus, it was Trump that forced the ceasefire , not Biden.
You have no idea what the current US plan will be that does not at all impede your peasant ignorance.
Dancer displays Palestine flag during Super Bowl halftime show: https://twitter.com/i/status/1888766737941934509
Posted by: Apollyon | Feb 10 2025 11:41 utc | 76
"Nothing personal. Just business." Is usually attributed to murikan gangsters. Jane obviously being sarcastic. Duh. Canuck maybe has been dipping into the cooking sherry. Or his hemorrhoids are flaring up.
Yes to Mary and Gregg Enough. But it could be refined. Every son of a bitch "investor" hedge fund retirement fund etc who made money off the MICIMAC massacre of civilians in Gaza should pay reparations. Starting from 1947. Starting with CON=gress and the insider trading queen Pelosi.
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 10 2025 11:56 utc | 77
Posted by: canuck | Feb 10 2025 11:12 utc | 75
I see, everyone else is a peasant in the eyes of trump cultists and genocide enablers. Disgusting creature, you have no right to be called a human being.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Feb 10 2025 11:59 utc | 78
This is Russia - pretty shocking, but no real surprise.
(Notice how there is no mention of the main element of Trump's plan - the expulsion of the Palestinians from Gaza.)
Kremlin needs more detail to assess Trump’s plans on Gaza
Earlier, the White House host stated that the US must "take over" Gaza and ensure that the radical Hamas movement does not return there
MOSCOW, February 10. /TASS/. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on US President Donald Trump’s idea to buy and rebuild the Gaza Strip, said that it is necessary to wait for the details of this plan, as many questions arise.
"We need to wait for some details if we mean a coherent plan of action. There are almost 1.2 million Palestinians who live there, that’s the key concern. These are the people whom the relevant [UN] Security Council resolutions promised a state solution to the Middle East problem, and so on and so forth. There are a lot of such issues. We don’t know the details yet, so we need to be patient," the Kremlin spokesman said.
Posted by: JB | Feb 10 2025 12:04 utc | 79
Posted by: JB | Feb 10 2025 12:04 utc | 79
People have got to realize that Russia is an Israel first country. Just because we agree with Putin's actions in Ukraine and finally doing something about saving East Ukrainians, it does not mean we should overlook his friendship with Israel. For years Putin allowed Israel to bomb Syria. Iran better not put all its faith in Putin coming to their rescue against Israel. It will not happen.
Putin and China will talk about how what Israel is doing is wrong but will not do anything concrete to protect or help the Palestinians. They are both invested in Israel. Every year Russians hold victory day parades and remembrance of the Great Patriotic War and the millions of Russians lost but how much did Russia do while Israel intentionally decided to starve Palestinians. Putin's older brother died of starvation in the Great Patriotic War but what exactly did Russia do to try to force Israel to allow food into Gaza?
No one should be surprised when Russia goes along with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza.
Posted by: Georgie | Feb 10 2025 12:20 utc | 80
Demographic war? What is the difference with a religious war?
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 10 2025 12:28 utc | 81
- Alastair Crooke: The days of Netanyahu are numbered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKo0aNIvnkc
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 13:52 utc | 82
Breaking the cease-fire in Gaza:
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An elderly woman was killed by a gunshot to the chest fired by occupation forces northeast of Al-Qarara in Khan Yunis.
A martyr was shot by the Israeli occupation army in the Zeitoun neighborhood, south of Gaza City
Three martyrs arrive at the Baptist Hospital after the occupation targeted citizens while they were returning to their homes near the Malka site east of Gaza City
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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West Bank:
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Israeli Education Minister:
It is time to impose Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank.
The presence of the new US administration is a historic opportunity to impose sovereignty over the West Bank.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Around 580 Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank in January, according to an Al Jazeera report.
Local groups tracking Israel’s detention of Palestinian prisoners said in a joint statement that the highest number of cases were recorded in Jenin and its refugee camp, which Israel has been besieging for 21 days.
At least 60 children were among those arrested, along with 17 women, the groups said.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israel-arrested-around-580-arrested-west-bank-january-monitors-say?nid=417957&topic=Israel%2527s%2520war%2520on%2520Gaza&fid=542257
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Over 35,000 Palestinians have been displaced from their homes in the occupied West Bank, as Israeli assaults have intensified after a ceasefire agreement took hold in the Gaza Strip.
The Israeli occupation's escalation follows a broader military assault that began on 21 January in Jenin and surrounding towns and refugee camps, killing at least 25 people. The occupation army expanded its attack into Tulkarm on 27 January killing 8 more Palestinians. A 2-year-old child was among the deaths, shot in the head by an Israeli sniper.
The Israeli army has expanded the scope of its “open-fire” orders in the occupied West Bank, leading to ies, widespread power outages, mass arrests, and forced displacement. a rise in civilian deaths during Israel’s current assault across the territory, Haaretz newspaper reported on 10 February.
Unit commanders in the Israeli army told the daily that the central command has decided to apply the “open-fire mechanism” used by its forces in the Gaza Strip – which permitted the shooting and killing of any unarmed Palestinian regardless of whether they were a suspect or not.
Soldiers said that the head of the central command, Avi Balut, has allowed shooting to kill without resorting to detention, adding that the increase in the number of deaths of unarmed Palestinians was “unusual.”
Army unit commanders cited in the report also say that any vehicle coming from the combat zone can be shot at, meaning Palestinians who are fleeing from the attacks and have been displaced by Israel’s operations are in the line of fire.
According to the report, the Israeli army has used civilians to search buildings for explosives planted by the Palestinian resistance – similar to tactics used in Gaza.
The Israeli army has denied what was stated, saying, “There is no change in the open-fire instructions.”
Three people were killed in the Nour Shams Refugee Camp in Tulkarem on 9 February, including a pregnant woman – whose fetus could not be saved due to Israeli forces preventing the arrival of medical teams to the site. The woman was fleeing with her family to find a safe location.
An Israeli army spokesman said that operations in the occupied West Bank have now been expanded to officially include Nour Shams Camp.
Meanwhile, the assault on Jenin – which kicked off Israel’s current war against the occupied West Bank – has now entered its 21st day. At least 25 people have been killed in Jenin and its camp.
Five others have been killed in Tulkarem. Over 26,000 Palestinians have been displaced from both cities, and hundreds of homes were destroyed.
The Israeli army has also continued its offensive in Tamoun and Al-Faraa Refugee Camp in Tubas, conducting house-to-house searches under drone strikes.
Residents face severe shortages of supplies, food and water.
https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-expands-west-bank-open-fire-orders-against-unarmed-civilians
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Lebanon:
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Mountains of rubble and debris line the roads in Khiam, on Lebanon’s eastern border with Israel. Months of heavy fighting between Hezbollah and Israel have left most of the town unrecognisable.
The buildings still standing are ridden with bullet holes. Some walls and doors have been entirely blasted off, revealing overturned furniture inside. Others bore traces of the presence of Israeli soldiers, who had occupied the area for around six weeks before withdrawing on 12 December.
Trash left by Israeli forces is littered throughout homes, and walls have been vandalised with provocative graffiti.
In one three-storey house, past the military schedules scrawled into the stairwell, Israeli soldiers had scattered their faeces in bags around the rooftop.
Despite the destruction, Khiam’s residents are still returning. […]
In late October, Israeli forces entered Khiam and began to shell residential neighbourhoods. Over 20 people from two families - farmers who had stayed to tend to their land - were trapped inside the town, and lost contact with the outside.
For a week, the UN’s peacekeeping troops and the Lebanese Red Cross were prevented from rescuing the families, among them women and children.
By the time the rescue workers entered, both families had been killed.
Khiam’s mukhtar (a local official responsible for records), who asked to go by Mukhtar Qassem, told MEE that over 100 people, including Hezbollah fighters and civilians, had been killed in the town. […]
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/lebanese-bones-memories-israeli-abuse-khiam
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Posted by: teri | Feb 10 2025 14:04 utc | 83
@Minaa (#82):
To understand why the Middle East is constantly in "turmoil" one has to look at the demographic developments over there and NOT at religion. The Middle East and North Africa (MENA) have A LOT OF deserts. That's why MENA is (in spite of of being sparsely populated) overpopulated. Too many desert and too little water and land available for agriculture. Religion is only an excuse for starting to harrassing the other group.
Israel has a high birth rate (over 3) and that means a (fast) growing population. all those people need to live somewhere. So, that's why the israelis want to get rid of the palestinians in order to build their houses in Gaza and the West Bank. So, not a relgious war (jews versus muslims and palestinian chirstians) but a demographic / economic "struggle".
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 14:16 utc | 84
So, not a relgious war (jews versus muslims and palestinian chirstians) but a demographic / economic "struggle".
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 14:16 utc | 84
If the Euro/American adherents of a certain religion had not tried to colonise the ME, there wouldn't be a problem of the kind we actually have. Elsewhere in the ME they were coping more or less with the water shortages, until the foreign adherents of this religion came along, which caused the intense wars we have.
Posted by: laguerre | Feb 10 2025 14:45 utc | 85
@84 WMG
"Israel has a high birth rate (over 3) and that means a (fast) growing population. all those people need to live somewhere"
Population density:
"Israel" 440/km2
Gaza 6000/km2
Bigger lawns or something ?
It is demographic/economic/political, but religion is a (or the) defining factor for the discrimination, in particular by "Israel". You could say that "all Israelis" have equal rights and that that is not religious discrimination, until you realise the great majority of "Israelis" are jewish and ...
"While pre-1948 Palestinian Arab residents of the former mandate and their descendants who remained living in Israel were granted Israeli citizenship in 1980, those resident in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are largely considered stateless." Wiki
i.e. even if non "Israeli" Palestinians recognised "Israel" and were to accept being "Israeli", they would not be granted "citizenship" of "Israel".
So it is an ethnic war where ethnicity is based on religion, which itself is largely pseudo-based on ethnic descent.
More simply, it is theft by invaders via murder and expulsion of a local population.
Simpler still:
Genocide.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 16:03 utc | 86
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 23:04 utc | 36
Financial liability is not revenge. It is deterrence.
Yes, I care about Palestinians. And the next people the US will target.
Btw, just read an interesting article that suggests leverage the CCP may have against a few choice American Zios, should they choose to use it.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 10 2025 16:07 utc | 87
Trump must be stopped - the Orange Zionists - cannot control land that doesn't belong to the Yanks, occupied lands are NOT for sale ever.
"US President Donald Trump has reiterated his plans to take control of Gaza, saying he intends to enlist other Middle Eastern countries to help rebuild it. Speaking to reporters on board Air Force One on Sunday, Trump called the enclave a “big real estate site,” which needs to be “reclaimed, leveled out, fixed up” for future development.
Trump first floated the idea of the US taking control of the Palestinian enclave last week at a press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He proposed transforming Gaza into what he described as “the Riviera of the Middle East.” As part of the plan, he proposed relocating Palestinians living in Gaza to neighboring Arab countries while the area was being developed.
“I’m committed to buying and owning Gaza… We’re going to bring stability to the… totally war-torn, part of the Middle East. And we’ll own it,” Trump told reporters on Sunday. He doubled down on his idea to relocate Palestinians from the enclave, claiming that it would be done for their own good."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 10 2025 16:10 utc | 88
Posted by: laguerre | Feb 10 2025 14:45 utc | 85
Zionism has always been the tool of Gangster Capitalism. If there was no oil in the Middle East, the Ashkenazi’s would still be in Europe and the Sephardic would be coexisting peacefully in the land as they have for the prior 400 years.
Posted by: Deniz 152 | Feb 10 2025 16:26 utc | 89
So, not a relgious war (jews versus muslims and palestinian chirstians) but a demographic / economic "struggle".
@84 WMG
also
@Ornot 86
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Yet the "State of Israel" calls itself "The Jewish State".
Take note of The Law of Return:
The Law of Return (Hebrew: חוק השבות, ḥok ha-shvūt) is an Israeli law, passed on 5 July 1950, which gives Jews, people with one or more Jewish grandparent, and their spouses the right to relocate to Israel and acquire Israeli citizenship.[1] Section 1 of the Law of Return declares that "every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh [immigrant]". In the Law of Return, the State of Israel gave effect to the Zionist movement's "credo" which called for the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state. In 1970, the right of entry and settlement was extended to people with at least one Jewish grandparent and a person who is married to a Jew, whether or not they are considered Jewish under Orthodox interpretations of Jewish law.
-The Jerusalem Post via quote in Wikipedia
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The above shows a million Jews invading occupied Palestine from 1990-2001.
The next one starts in 1996 thru 2023.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1475327/israel-annual-number-of-jewish-immigrants/
Of most particular interest to say the least:
"Israel" had a 'good' reason to cheer on The Waste (West) in it's creation of a proxy war in Ukraine.
Jewish immigration into Israel increased significantly in 2022 due to the influx of Russian and Ukrainian citizens escaping war following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Posted by: librul | Feb 10 2025 16:28 utc | 90
@88 ROS
The approach is odd, kind of like a forward reverse of the decolonialisation that took place around the world earlier last century.
It is like declaring Palestine (or Gaza in this case) as a colonial reality and then moving towards international resolution of the territory, at the exact same time as trying to implement a colonial reality on the territory, a territory that was never actually colonised in real (i.e. demographic) terms.
Its enough to mess up anyone's thinking because it does not make sense except if taken as a form of absurdity.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 16:31 utc | 91
Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under US plan: Trump
In an interview with Fox News' Bret Baier, US President Donald Trump suggested that under his controversial plan, Palestinians would not have the right to return to Gaza. When asked directly whether displaced Palestinians would be allowed back, he responded, "No, they wouldn't, because they're going to have much better housing."
Trump's proposal includes building multiple resettlement sites outside of Gaza for those displaced by the ongoing war, though he did not specify exact locations. "Could be five, six, could be two. But we'll build safe communities, a little bit away from where they are, where all of this danger is," he said.
He justified the plan by arguing that Gaza is currently uninhabitable due to the devastation caused by the war. "In other words, I'm talking about building a permanent place for them because if they have to return now, it'll be years before you could ever—it's not habitable."
Comment:
-DT says he sees Gaza as real estate that he is going to buy wand implies that its inhabitants are looking for better housing elsewhere.
Together with neighboring states, DT will provide the better housing, and the Palestinians will not be able to return to Gaza.
-DT also reveals that the Palestinians would be "housed" in two or more countries (five, six), hence broken up never to be united again.
Such a clever plan, now wonder his soul brother Netanyahu suspects no one can come up with a better one.
Posted by: JB | Feb 10 2025 16:36 utc | 92
Posted by: Georgie | Feb 10 2025 12:20 utc | 80
As much as we'd all love to see Russia take up a moral leadership role in opposing Trump's idiotic ethnic cleansing for a golf course plan, from a realpolitik perspective, it might be the best news they've gotten.
While the USA gets stuck in another Vietnam, they can munch popcorn and laugh their asses off.
Watching your enemy set himself on fire, the best advice is to not get too close else you might get burned.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 10 2025 16:42 utc | 93
@91 Ornot
...and the irony being that when looking at Palestine as a whole, it is not considered by the same people as being a colonial reality in need of resolution.
It is so obviously contradictory and impossible to argue in favour of, at least not without resorting to forms of claim that are basically laughable to many, and unrecognised anywhere else in the world, i.e. assumption of a continuous right based on texts alone whose authors are not verifiably related to the current claimants themselves...after a several thousand year interlude.
This, in terms of international law or demographic right, would be considered a form of insanity if truly believed by its proponents.
Yet someone says this, and they are as likely to be dragged before a court or worse for insulting someone else's beliefs.
You could only make this reality up.
Thanks "mankind".
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 10 2025 16:53 utc | 94
WMG 84
Alistair Crooke had a twinkle in his eye today, on his return from Moscow.
A twinkle that said that Netanyahu and his mad men and women have cooked their goose. They have achieved nothing and united the world against Zionism for eever. BIG Thanks to him for twinkling that.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 10 2025 17:08 utc | 95
Gaza news now:
Netanyahu:We are working to break the Iranian axis and eliminate Hamas's missile system and the Radwan Force.
Netanyahu: Our views have become identical with the United States on many Middle East issues.
Netanyahu: Trump presented a clear vision for the day after in Gaza in a way that ensures that Hamas will not return to rule the Strip.
Netanyahu: I am working with the United States on a new vision for Gaza without Hamas or the Palestinian Authority.
Posted by: JB | Feb 10 2025 17:26 utc | 96
@laguerre (#85):
It certainly is a demographic / economic "struggle".
Agree. Especially the US has been meddling in the MENA A LOT OF times. If the US wouldn't have interfered then the MENA wouldhave been a much peacefull place.
But arab governments could have doen A LOT to reduce the population growth in MENA. Those government also have made A LOT OF dumb decisions. So, in total MENA is a REAL mess caused by multiple countries / governments including those in MENA.
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 17:27 utc | 97
@Ornot (86):
Fully agree. If population growth in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel would have been much lower then that region would have been much more peacefull.
I think that now some 70 to 80 years of frustrations (on both sides) have finally exploded, come to the fore. And I fear that more is to come for that region.
It used to be the neigbours of Israel that had all the violence and "unrest". Now it seems that it's "greater Israel's" turn to experience A LOT OF "turmoil".
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 17:32 utc | 98
@librul (#90):
Fully agree. That immigration of (nominally) "jews" has made things only worse. More people propped up in a small country. A good recipe for more "turmoil".
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 17:35 utc | 99
@Giyane (#95):
I must admit that I didn't expect Israel to actually "lose" this "battle" in Gaza. Although someone pointed out that Hamas has won this "conflict" by the simple fact that Hamas were able to survive this "conflict" and even gain support for their cause.
I think Netanyahu will fid himself very soon in jail because he was dependent on the support of the men called Smotrich and Ben-Gvir. Are these 2 men now pulling away the rug under Natanyahu's career as a politician ? I think it's very likely.
Posted by: WMG | Feb 10 2025 17:42 utc | 100
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Is there fighting between the Lebanese Army and Syrian Forces which are fighting Hezbollah? This is along Lebanon's northern and eastern border.
Posted by: Ed4 | Feb 9 2025 14:17 utc | 1