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February 13, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-030
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Musk posts that DOGE has discovered direct payments from DoD to Reuters for “social deception”
So, anyone care to cite Business Insider, Forbes, or Reuters ever again? I will just laugh at you. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 13 2025 15:01 utc | 1 The amount of money Stolen from the U.S. Treasury, via 3 letter agencies, USAID, and the Offense Department will exceed $Trillions. And every Whiner and Bleater will found to be directly or indirectly funded by these crimes. Posted by: kupkee | Feb 13 2025 15:02 utc | 2 Department of Swamp Reclamation is on the job heads must roll. Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 13 2025 15:06 utc | 3 So, anyone care to cite Business Insider, Forbes, or Reuters ever again? I will just laugh at you. Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 15:34 utc | 4 Fellow barflies, If you (rightly) think that current events are (even more!) irrational & inexplicable than usual, I invite you to have a look at my working hypothesis for the ongoing geopolitical carousel: Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Feb 13 2025 15:37 utc | 5 I see Europe is whining again. Need to “cap” Natural Gas/LNG prices? Remember the Good Old Days when Russia put up with your whiney, smug elitism and sold you cheap gas to keep you warm, to run your factories, while the poor American worker was taxed to death to keep Welfare Queen Europe in Dreamland? Posted by: kupkee | Feb 13 2025 15:39 utc | 6 Honestly surprised me that Trump has crippled the NED in addition to USAID. For so many countries they now have a window to enact anti-foreign interference legislation without the baying of the foreign-funded “independent” media, NGOs, influencers and politicians. They should do that NOW, you never know the future with the US. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 13 2025 15:40 utc | 7 @too scents – didn’t have you suffering from Musk Derangement syndrome on my dance card. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 13 2025 15:43 utc | 8 NED, Clintons, Soros, “Israel”, “Ukraine”, the nasty black MK-Ultra style programs (needs more whistleblowers), all the “TIA” and similar “surveillance” crap, and tens of thousands of criminals (aka “politicians” and “political parties”) involved worldwide (including in tiny European countries) that all should be jailed for life with their wealth appropriated. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2025 15:43 utc | 9 So you’re saying that Musk just made that shit up, and the invoice isn’t real? Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 15:48 utc | 10 @Posted by: kupkee | Feb 13 2025 15:39 utc | 6 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 13 2025 15:50 utc | 11 I’ve recently seen a couple rumors that Israel was behind the JFK assassination. Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 15:53 utc | 12 Mr. Musk is not a credible source for anything except fantabulist daydreams. Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 15:56 utc | 13 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 13 2025 15:43 utc | 8 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 15:57 utc | 14 https://concernedceltiberian.substack.com/p/the-new-entente Posted by: Zet | Feb 13 2025 15:57 utc | 15 CC @ 5 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 13 2025 16:01 utc | 16 what is ”Apartheid Clyde” in reference to?? thanks.. i take it that is musk, but aside from being from south africa, what is the clyde part about?? Posted by: james | Feb 13 2025 16:04 utc | 17 If true, I wonder what opening those secret files would do. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 16:05 utc | 18 to all the Mustie cheering squad. CavIat emptor!!!! Yes indeed the murikan government in all its branches needs a serious audit and overhaul. But No indeedie are Must, Palantir (which already runs the IRS) Krause, who is the CEO of Cloud Software Group, a private company one of whose shareholders is vulture sleaze Singer of Elliott Management infamy the right people to do it. Some points. These are all private (even if stock is publicly traded) companies. There is no con=gressional oversight, for what ever that’s worth. There are no Freedom off Information obligations. NONE of the people involved have security clearances, especially not the young engineers employed by Must to do the data upload – on a weekend. The private records of millions of Americans have just been stolen and can be exploited or resold at will. Trump can bloviate all he wants but if /when he and Must fall out of love, Must has the data and can thumb his nose. And FYI, that “read only” smoke is smoke. Read by whom? Or what? Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 13 2025 16:14 utc | 19 Sorry. Not a link. Will correct pronto. https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1889570183762903538/photo/1 Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 13 2025 16:18 utc | 20 @Posted by: Zet | Feb 13 2025 15:57 utc | 15 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 13 2025 16:20 utc | 21 Here’s another link. Some may not care for Naomi Wolf, but her points are well taken IMHO. There’s one more. I’ll be back. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 13 2025 16:21 utc | 22 https://www.globalresearch.ca/sack-rome-elon-musk-digital-coup/5879791. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 13 2025 16:24 utc | 23 Here it is. Must read category IMHO. https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/11/the-paypal-mafia-meet-the-south-african-oligarchs-surrounding-trump-from-elon-musk-to-peter-thiel/ Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 13 2025 16:26 utc | 24 Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 13 2025 16:14 utc | 19 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 13 2025 16:41 utc | 25 Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Feb 13 2025 15:37 utc | 5 Posted by: juliania | Feb 13 2025 16:49 utc | 26 Elaborating on #25, From an efficient breach theory perspective, DOGE may find it more efficient to just break contracts with NED/USAID vendors, and pay the penalty, vs. the longer-term expense of continuously renewing and shoveling money to foreign governments via USAID/NED. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 13 2025 17:02 utc | 27 One of the Finnish president’s security guards “shot himself” and died in the president’s cellar. Not the first person to have died in related circumstances. Posted by: Jack M | Feb 13 2025 17:03 utc | 28 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 13 2025 16:20 utc | 21 Posted by: Zet | Feb 13 2025 17:05 utc | 29 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 15:53 utc | 12 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 17:05 utc | 31 @ juliania | Feb 13 2025 16:49 utc | 26 Posted by: james | Feb 13 2025 17:06 utc | 32 Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2025 17:05 utc | 30 Posted by: juliania | Feb 13 2025 17:11 utc | 33 I have to say, the $9 million dollar payment reminds me a lot of ‘Russians buy $100,000 In Facebook Ads to Influence 2016 Elections’. $9 million is an astronomical sum to us at the bar (as I’m sure $100,000 is to most Americans), but it is not enough for an actual credible disinformation campaign. That would be a multiple billion dollar project in my mind. It’s possible more payments like this come out still, but to me, there would have to be A LOT of them totaling a huge amount of money for this to be anything more than research and not implementation. Definitely open to more information on these thoughts if anyone has any. Posted by: Caveman | Feb 13 2025 17:13 utc | 34 juliania@26…..these wars, plural, seen the pics from Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria. He sent a shipment of Daycare Buster Bombs to the Apartheid State. They can go places Caterpillars can’t. Wait till you see Trump Plaza Gaza, he sees land for what it is, the most valuable asset held in a portfolio, so he sees lost revenue. It’s business. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 13 2025 17:15 utc | 35 I just want to be able to take their perspective (in this case Musks). Posted by: Zet | Feb 13 2025 17:16 utc | 36 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 17:05 utc | 31 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 17:18 utc | 37 Posted by: james | Feb 13 2025 17:06 utc | 32 Posted by: juliania | Feb 13 2025 17:20 utc | 38 ConcernedCeltiberian: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2025 17:26 utc | 39 Is he going to be the first American President to abandon the Zionist occupation which serves many foreign objectives for the Empire? Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 17:28 utc | 40 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2025 17:30 utc | 41 The Acting Solicitor General has notified Congress of DOJ’s intent to ask #SCOTUS to overrule Humphrey’s Executor—a major 1935 ruling upholding the independence of agencies like the FCC, FTC, NLRB, etc. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 17:37 utc | 42 “the obvious and extreme counter-examples such as Iraq, Dresden, and Gaza, which are things one should be happy the Russians consider far beneath themselves, their own self-esteem, and their own (true) pride Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 17:39 utc | 43 Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2025 17:05 utc | 30 Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2025 17:43 utc | 44
There was no fucking JFK assassination. If any papers are released, they are fake and will provide a hundred years more misdirection to demented fools. Posted by: Jack M | Feb 13 2025 17:44 utc | 45 They came for the judiciary as we said nothing. They came for the separation of powers legislation and we said nothing. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 17:45 utc | 46 Free Hand “China’s real estate bust leads other countries” Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 17:47 utc | 48 “China’s real estate bust leads other countries” Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 17:48 utc | 49
Clown prize! Posted by: Jack M | Feb 13 2025 17:48 utc | 50 I just heard that the USS Harry S Truman had a Collision with MV Besiktas north of the Suez Canal, does anyone have more information about this? The Besiktas is a pretty big cargo ship, how the hell did it collide with the Truman Posted by: Kadath | Feb 13 2025 17:49 utc | 51 Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 17:47 utc | 48 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 17:51 utc | 52 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 17:39 utc | 43 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 17:52 utc | 53 ********Ghost of Zanon @27 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 13 2025 17:53 utc | 54 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 17:45 utc | 46 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 17:54 utc | 55 @Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 17:47 utc | 48 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 13 2025 17:55 utc | 56 I’ve recently seen a couple rumors that Israel was behind the JFK assassination. Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2025 17:58 utc | 57 Here all the information I’ve been able to find about the Collison Posted by: Kadath | Feb 13 2025 17:58 utc | 58 Posted by: Jack M | Feb 13 2025 17:44 utc | 45 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 18:01 utc | 59 We all know China and Russia are behind all naval “accidents”. 🙄 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 18:01 utc | 60 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 17:52 utc | 53 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 18:04 utc | 61 As every day passes USAID is very quickly becoming a fascist strawman to hide behind and excuse Trumps threat to the constitution and rule of law. As he seeks absolute power. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 18:08 utc | 62 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 17:54 utc | 55 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 18:12 utc | 63 what is ”Apartheid Clyde” in reference to?? Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 18:13 utc | 64 Posted by: james | Feb 13 2025 16:04 utc | 17 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 18:19 utc | 65 Trump Promises ‘Big Tariffs’… Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 13 2025 18:20 utc | 66 Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2025 17:58 utc | 57 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 18:34 utc | 67 Wow so I have MDS cuz I don’t want an unelected tech bros fingering all my financial/health info?? Posted by: furies | Feb 13 2025 18:35 utc | 68 The relevant paragraph: Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 18:37 utc | 69 “And then they came for the barmpot MMT-ers” and everyone else breathed a sigh of relief… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 13 2025 18:37 utc | 70 Geostrategic structures are broken because they have been based on power imbalances that do not correspond to the daily life of people: Posted by: Montoia | Feb 13 2025 18:39 utc | 71 Why would anyone believe Musk about anything? He has offered no proof of any of his allegations, the DOGE website is a picture (that’s it, just a picture, no info), he’s had to admit he “may have misspoken about a few things” already, and – surprise – a couple of contractors who are rivals of his have stopped receiving payments that were allocated in last year’s funding. DOGE has been paid 7 or 8 million in just the first two weeks, although Musk said they were going to work for no money. Both Trump and Musk now say the intent is to INCREASE the Pentagon budget. I guess they are going to “audit” the Pentagon – not that DOGE has anyone capable of that kind of accounting – do away with $800 toilets, but then increase its budget with money they took from SNAP and Medicaid. Or that they printed out of thin air, which is where all our money comes from and why we don’t need a balanced budget, no matter who squeals about it. Posted by: teri | Feb 13 2025 18:42 utc | 72 Clown prize! Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 18:43 utc | 73 Oof! Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 18:52 utc | 74 insincere buffoonery regarding the latest “culprits” behind the several assassination/murders of the 60’s. Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 13 2025 18:53 utc | 75 To be fair you must be fair and think inside of you: Am I fair? Am I honest? Or, truly, this is my intent to destroy myself because I have so many things to ask you for forgiveness, that I gonna be in the hell millions of universes down. Posted by: Montoia | Feb 13 2025 19:02 utc | 76 Quote (in italics): Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 19:20 utc | 77 The dynamics of debt is everywhere the same. Debt = Debt. Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 19:27 utc | 78 Qutoe (in italics): Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 19:30 utc | 79 Mary ( Feb 13 2025 17:39 utc | 43 ): Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2025 19:46 utc | 80 How Hitler Dismantled a Democracy in 53 Days Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 19:47 utc | 81 The dynamics of debt is everywhere the same. Debt = Debt. No matter what country one is in. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 19:55 utc | 82 And btw unlike many Europeans I (still!!!) actually like many (but obviously not all) “Americans”/Usians! Especially “deplorables” (real people) and also your average gun nuts but also all kinds of different people 🙂 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2025 19:59 utc | 83 “Trump wants a ceasefire, Putin wants more.” Posted by: Liberator | Feb 13 2025 20:01 utc | 84 Quote (in italics): Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 20:01 utc | 85 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2025 19:46 utc | 80 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 20:04 utc | 86 This is on Twitter, for some reason they don’t update their YT or Rumble pages with new content. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 20:04 utc | 87 I am willing to change my mind but then you need to come with NEW facts. Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 20:10 utc | 88 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2025 19:59 utc | 83 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 20:37 utc | 89 Posted by: KevinB | Feb 13 2025 17:46 utc | 47 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 13 2025 21:02 utc | 90 At the time I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Just thought wtf is he doing. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 21:22 utc | 91 To teri and Sun of Alabama. Glad to see someone gets it. Keep in mine that Cassandra was not welcomed and the Emperor had no clothes. We can just keep trying to warn people – as with the toxic covid shots (brought to you by DARPA during Trump l) and the real estate Ponzi in 2007-2008 and the dot-com bubble in 2000-2001. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 13 2025 21:45 utc | 92 Posted by: Mary | Feb 13 2025 18:34 utc | 67 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2025 22:26 utc | 93 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 19:47 utc | 81 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2025 22:32 utc | 94 Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Feb 13 2025 15:37 utc | 5 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2025 22:35 utc | 95 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2025 22:32 utc | 96 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2025 22:42 utc | 96 Quote (in italics): Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 22:59 utc | 97 Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 17:48 utc | 49 Posted by: Bob | Feb 13 2025 23:05 utc | 98 “China’s real estate bust leads other countries” Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 23:07 utc | 99 @Posted by: WMG | Feb 13 2025 23:07 utc | 101 Posted by: Ed Bernays | Feb 13 2025 23:18 utc | 100 |
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