By Drones, Mines And Missiles - The British Naval War Against Russia In Ukraine
Since at least 2014 The United Kingdom has been a major participant in NATO's proxy war against Russia. During the hot phase of the war it has directed a drone and missile campaign in the Black Sea. It is likely responsible for current attacks against Russia related sea transport. It is developing new naval drones for further assaults on Russia.
Britain had initiated and run massive public relation campaigns blaming Russia for various outrages which, in fact, never had happened. Consider the Skripal Affair, the MI6's Steele dossier used to launch Russiagate and other operations launched through the anti-Russian Integrity Initiative run by the UK government's Institute of Statecraft.
It was the Brits who, during the war in Ukraine, directed the Black Sea Attack Network (BSAN) to push the Russian fleet out of Sevastopol in Crimea. British Storm Shadow missile were fired against various ships. Directed by British signal intelligence seagoing drones, made in Britain, attacked Russian transports as well as the Kerch Bridge.
As the Armchair Warlord explained:
The BSAN sea drone program scored a number of successes and hair-raising near-misses over the course of 2023 and early 2024, most notably sinking the Tarantul-class missile boat Ivanovets with what was likely some loss of life on February 1st, 2024. At that point I suspect that the Russian Navy decided that something had to be done and, having carefully studied their foe, put a plan into action to destroy what was to them the most concerning part of the BSAN - the maritime drone program.
Using a few rusty old ships as bait the Russian command observed the signal activities during Ukrainian attacks, uncovered the British run network, and finally killed it:
Deployed without support in the Kerch Strait during a large-scale (albeit unsuccessful) aerial drone raid, the Kotov attracted the attention of Ukrainian sea drones heading for another round with the Kerch Bridge. Video from the battle again suggests only a modest defensive effort with small arms, with subsequent reports that the ship was abandoned quickly (with few to no Russian casualties) and basically allowed to sink. It's noteworthy that the remaining drones were, again, easily mopped up by rescuers. And here, after this engagement, the Black Sea Attack Network was undone.You see, congratulations were in order. Zelensky wanted to personally pin medals on the men who were destroying the hated Russian Black Sea Fleet. So, two days later, the personnel of the Black Sea Attack Network - the drone operators, the planners, the technicians, the officers, bosses and bosses' bosses, and likely a gaggle of foreign advisors - assembled in a hangar in Odessa to receive accolades from their nation's leader. Zelensky arrived (with the Greek Prime Minister in tow, apparently, perhaps sending a message to a significant maritime player), pinned medals on chests, shook hands, and departed.
His motorcade was a block away when a Russian Iskander ballistic missile sliced through that hangar's roof and wiped out the assembled personnel of the Ukrainian sea drone network. It was probably launched the instant he walked out the door.
There were reports of a large number of NATO helicopters flying into Odessa in the strike's aftermath, and shrieking from the usual suspects that the Russians had "tried" to assassinate Zelensky, as though they couldn't kill him any time they wanted. Meanwhile, the Russian MoD put out a dry statement that they'd struck a target in Odessa associated with the Ukrainian drone campaign.
There have been no noticeable Black Sea sea drone attacks since.
There is however a new maritime campaign under way against all ships, not only Russian ones, which have recently visited Russian ports:
A spate of blasts recorded across the Mediterranean on tankers that have recently called at Russian ports has security analysts concerned about a new form of attack targeting merchant shipping.Two Thenamaris aframax tankers – the Seajewel and the Seacharm – have both reported explosions onboard in the past month in the Mediterranean, while the Grace Ferrum product tanker has also been badly hit off Libya, all suffering similar damage – holes in hulls below the waterline, leading to some security analysts to suggest the vessels were targeted with limpet mines.
In late December, the Russian Ursa Major general cargo ship sank in the Mediterranean between Spain and Algeria after an explosion.
Away from the Mediterranean, the Turkish-owned Koala tanker, laden with 130,000 tonnes of heavy fuel oil, was about to set off from the Russian port of Ust-Luga when three explosions ripped through the rear of the ship on February 9, forcing the crew to evacuate.
Those are five ships so far that have been sunk or damaged by limpet mines attached to the ships after they had visited Russian ports. This is an intimidation campaign to deter ship owners and operators from servicing anything Russian.
I doubt that the Ukrainian military intelligence, the GRU under the terrorist General Budanov, has the network and divers needed to attack Russia related shipping throughout the Mediterranean. The Brits though, through their various commercial and military activities - ship classification societies, ship insurances, crewing agencies etc. - do have the necessary information and access to ports.
That is why I suspect them to be deeply involved in the current campaign.
More naval warfare will be coming as a new British sea-drone campaign is about to commence:
New British naval drones in testing for Ukraine, ukdj, Feb 6 2025
The Ministry of Defence is putting two newly developed uncrewed maritime systems—Snapper and Wasp—through final testing.During a Written Question session on 30 January 2025, Luke Akehurst (Labour – North Durham) asked about progress on both systems, referencing remarks from the Defence Secretary’s speech at the ADS Annual Dinner on 28 January 2025.
In response, Maria Eagle, Minister of State at the Ministry of Defence, stated that both Snapper and Wasp are “new uncrewed maritime system[s], which [have] been rapidly developed specifically to support Ukraine.” She added that “The system is currently undergoing final testing and further details will be set out in due course.”
A third British sea-drone system is still under development:
Recently, we reported that the Ministry of Defence (MOD) had announced a Project COOKSON Challenge Session back in January. The event invited industry partners from NATO, Ukraine, and Five-Eyes countries to help shape the development of a versatile, fast, and low-observable maritime system designed for operations in Ukraine and beyond.
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The MOD described the system as follows:"A COOKSON system consists of a small, fast, vessel with low observability, with >2 one-way effectors mounted on it, including relevant launch system and support equipment. A COOKSON system should be able to travel to Ukraine via Ground Lines of Communication (GLOC) [and] must fit onto a 40 foot flatbed, ideally a 20 foot flatbed.”
The Snapper and Wasp sea-going drones may appear in the Black Sea within the next few months. Cookson systems will still take a year to be ready for action.
From their work against the first wave of Black Sea drones the Russian naval forces have learned that it is more efficient to destroy the network behind a series of attacks than to defend against each of them.
One wonders how deeply the British Ministry of Defense has thought about that.
Posted by b on February 21, 2025 at 9:57 UTC | Permalink
next page »No worries. Pootin don't have the balls to directly target the Brits.
Posted by: Surferket | Feb 21 2025 10:50 utc | 2
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 21 2025 10:31 utc | 1
It's all about making the Baltic Sea a NATO sea. So simple.
Posted by: Surferket | Feb 21 2025 10:52 utc | 3
Norway and Britain recently announced they will cooperate with applications potentially related to what the present article describes
Page 140-01 140 SVT Text Friday 21 Feb 2025
February 20
Norway signs a new defense agreement
Norway and the UK are included in a comprehensive defense agreement, the two countries announced at a press conference on Thursday.
-We are now facing many similar security challenges in a time of great uncertainty, says Norway's Defense Minister Tore Sandvik.
Among other things, countries will together secure important infrastructure on the seabed to prevent sabotage.
The agreement also means that countries will to a greater extent practice conducting military operations.
Responsible Publisher | | svt.se © Swedish Television AB
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 21 2025 10:58 utc | 4
According to ABC news China are conducting live fire exercises between AUSTRALIA and New Zealand.
Aircraft flights have been cancelled and pearls are being clutched as we speak
Posted by: eagle eye | Feb 21 2025 11:11 utc | 5
It's a pretty good time for them Russians to send a couple of Oreshniks to pay a visit into Gibraltar.
C'mon, Putin! Do it! You will instantly win Spain over into your side!
Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Feb 21 2025 11:13 utc | 6
They should seek out British or British serving foreign commercial vessels and sink them. The Houthis have effectively sunk most British ships trying to traverse the Red Sea, but Britain still has some commercial shipping somewhere serving her interests.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 21 2025 11:15 utc | 7
Latest from RT: Starmer and Macaroni are huffing it up about sending 30,000 "peacekeepers" to Ukraine, including ports and air patrols. Russian spokesmen have said "NYET". Clear language indicates they will not stand for that nonsense. Perhaps some nice hazelnuts directed at a probable staging area in Western Ukraine BEFORE any alien troops enter the combat zone would send a serious message to those stoopid bass-turds.
Should the CrimeanWar 202 actually get some boots on the ground where they do not belong; perhaps my longtime suggestion of hazelnuts popping onto that certain private bank in City of London would provide a telling message. If those idiots in London and Paris stick their long noses where they do not belong, then the R.U. would be fully justified in ejecting them promptly from the Frankenstein Monster formerly known as Ukraine SSR.
My take is that the Brits and Frogs would be on their own, as the Trumpeting Elephant and his sidekicks have lately been washing their soiled hands about the Ukie fiasco. Removal of the Piano Dick-Tater would be of essence before actual peace talks...hopefully on Russian terms...would ensue. The European powers that were have absofukkinlutely no business messing with Mama Bear and her cubs.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:16 utc | 8
Have the Russians targeted any enemy assets outside of the Ukraine in this conflict? Is there anything to suggest they ever will? Actual evidence suggests that even the most flimsy of deniability ("It wasn't us! It was a couple bumpkins in a sailboat!" as the USS Kearsarge innocently cruises away from the scene of the crime) paralyzes any Russian response other than blowing up more shit in the Ukraine... not that I have any issue with the Russians blowing up shit in the Ukraine, mind you. Those fools really are not worthy of the infrastructure and industry the Soviets left for them and truly do deserve a Stone Age existence.
No, the sLimeys are perfectly safe throwing sucker punches at Russia, and so long as they keep their own non-disposable personnel out of the Ukraine no Britards will ever be harmed. Until we see otherwise, the safest bet is the Russians will continue their interpretation of "honorable and gentlemanly conduct of warfare" and only strike targets in the Ukraine.
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 21 2025 11:20 utc | 9
petergrstm@1058 First day of Pisces
As a Norwegican (Norse-American) I consider Norway's very foreign minstrel as yet another goddamn Quisling like that blot on his family's escutcheon former NATO chief, Jens Stoltenberg.
What is it with the Norwegian elite? Cozying up to Perfidious Albion is just another example of the dangers of over centralization and urbanization in Norge. Too many people living in Oh Slow and other urban centers means that the common sense of rural Norwegians is overwhelmed by the Rat-Racers, particularly those Trotskyite grads of the U. of Oslo.
With three quarts of Norskie in my DNA steam, I am profoundly embarrassed by those "dritsak" idiots.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:26 utc | 10
unimperator@1115 1st day of the month of Pisces
"Brittanica Rule the Waves" is but a forlorn memory. Even their aircraft carriers are incapable of leaving port. They do have some submarines...but my suspicion is that the Russian ones are superior vessels and that their crews are more competent.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:29 utc | 11
Let me first say, one wonders whether this all could have been avoided if Russia responded more sternly to a British ship deliberately sailing into its territorial waters a few years back prior to the SMO. Perceived weakness leads to emboldenment.
"From their work against the first wave of Black Sea drones the Russian naval forces have learned that it is more efficient to destroy the network behind a series of attacks than to defend against each of them.
One wonders how deeply the British Ministry of Defense has thought about that."
In light of the recent sea change (pun intended) in transatlantic relations, with MI6's involvement in Russiagate and various other anti Trump operations, including most recently the hare brained deployment of Labour Party staffers in the USA to campaign against Trump, one really must wonder what awaits Starmer when he meets with Trump next week. Nothing good i can imagine.
With that in mind, one must also wonder whether the Russians might feel emboldened to now respond directly on UK soil to the repeated and flagrant violations of its sovereignty by the UK, perhaps even in an overt and significant manner?
One of the stated objectives of the US is to put some distance between Russia and its partners and allies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82DV2V9WtVs&ab_channel=HindustanTimes
The Russian MOD and SVR might be keen to test America's seriousness by seeing how it responds (or doesn't) to one of Trump's least favored allies receiving some long overdue and well earned retribution. This could then open the door for eventual 'repayment', perhaps some low hanging fruit, previously coordinated behind the USA's back with Iran for example, since we all know how much Trump loves his PR wins, wink wink.
Probably all too bold for the ever cautious Putin, but it is certainly an interesting theory to entertain, and as insinuated by MoA, a question wiser men in London ought to be seriously asking themselves.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Feb 21 2025 11:33 utc | 12
@aristodemos (10)
Norway is a NATO member. Don't they have US milotary bases on their soil? And aren't those elites selected by the CIA? Just some guesses out of my mind.
Posted by: joey_n | Feb 21 2025 11:34 utc | 13
concerned CeltIberian@1113 First day of Pisces
Got a good chuckle outta your Gibralter parry. Would serve the EMPIRE right.
Had Hitler even a scintilla of common sense, rather than being a devout Anglophile...he would have convinced Franco to take out the Rock...with German air support if he requested it. Had that simple bit of geostrategic sense been carried out, the British elite would have been evicted from their control over the Med. Malta would soon have fallen to the Italians and an Afrika Korps in full force, rather than a dribble would have quickly taken Alexandria...and thenceforth into Iraq and Iran and those vital oilfields.
With a well-lubed Wehrmacht, the Germans might never have felt the need to invade Russia, while the English elite would have fled to Canuckistan...along with most of their fleet. Then all those Jews Hitler wanted to get out of his hair could actually have been relocated to Madagascar. The Roosevelt administration would go balls to the walls to "protect" all of Latin America and the world would have been a whole different place.
The ratty old Lion needs to be taken down a couple of pegs and thoroughly caned...those old "Public School" boys would wax nostalgic. Perhaps even the Cockneys, the former coal miners in the Midlands and the Scots would do fine work against the bloody toffs.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:44 utc | 14
Ukraine Weekly Update, 21st February 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-120
Posted by: The Busker | Feb 21 2025 11:53 utc | 15
Brittanica Rule the Waves" is but a forlorn memory. Even their aircraft carriers are incapable of leaving port. They do have some submarines...but my suspicion is that the Russian ones are superior vessels and that their crews are more competent.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:29 utc | 11
Their navy whatever left not moving out of fear of retribution. Feel Russia focused laser sharp on smo right now. After peace deal signed they have freedom. Don't think Britain will continue after peace deal because besides Putin they will have to face Trump too. EU too will eventually fall in line after their little closet rebellion. Suicidal to go against Russia China US
@aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:26 utc | 10
With three quarts of Norskie in my DNA steam, I am profoundly embarrassed by those "dritsak" idiots.Thank you! As a 100% variant of the species I am more than embarrassed, I am shaking in rage.
Btw. it is "drittsekk" (shitbag)
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 21 2025 11:57 utc | 17
Whatever those pesky ruskies can always give the Houthis a good hand in the Red Sea. Which can turn life of british ships and insurance companies pretty painful as well.
This may be of some enjoyment to the growing peanut gallery of barflies wishing to feast on the carcass of the once mighty British Navy with their comments..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po9duwvipB0
'The Navy With More Admirals Than Warships'
Posted by: Rubiconned | Feb 21 2025 12:02 utc | 19
Britain no more have the luxury of hiding behind America and direct their nefarious activities. They are exposed and vulnerable. With economy in dire straits they know vultures are circling. Last bravado for old times sake before they fade into the dustbin of history
'common sense of rural Norwegians'
@ aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:26 utc | 10
As one of those sensible rural Norwegians I can pass on
the term for my attitude about our elites: 'fly forbannet'.
Means really pissed off. (btw, 'fly' is pronounced like flee)
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 21 2025 12:11 utc | 21
why don't we say it clearly,
Russians are as backward as a pig's tail, they love getting kicked in the testicles,
after three years they are still there, wall to wall, no important bridgehead to cut off all the Ucronazzi's supply lines,
Russian ships sinking without any Western ships suffering a loss,
it seems that Russians are afraid of offending Westerners,
the saying is always relevant: he who does his job as a sheep eats it,
and the English are ravenous wolves.
Posted by: Cagliostro | Feb 21 2025 12:14 utc | 22
The US navy has Ohio class submarines capable of launching and recovering 'deep sea' divers aka saturation divers. The UK navy also has Astute class submarines capable of launching and recovering non-saturation divers. I suspect one of these subs, probably US on account of depth, was used to take out Nord Stream. They could also be involved in placing mines on 'Russia-related' merchant ships in the Mediteranean while the ships are at anchor offshore. This would be more suitable for the shallower diving British system.
Posted by: GC | Feb 21 2025 12:30 utc | 23
Top report b.
Nordstream is also in the Royal Navy’s front yard… let’s not forget the ludicrous Liz Fucking Truss crowing on WhatsApp, at some early hour in the morning, “ITS DONE” to her overlords at the WH.
There is a lot of criminal action by the stiff upper lipped Rum and Buggery aristo boy sailors … as there is by the brylecrramed poof RAF murderers with the missiles, and bombing of Gaza too - the dumbass Army self declared ‘special’ forces now being regaled for their degenerate recruits on TV in another series of fictional bullshittery… have already met a few canons to the left,right and centre.
Yup the chickens are gathered too return to their roosts, our controlled media and pundits are in a tight formation of trolling their audiences - who are suddenly waking up from the stage show mesmerism they have allowed themselves to be lured into.
Their panic is palpable !
Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 21 2025 12:55 utc | 24
The US navy has Ohio class submarines capable of launching and recovering 'deep sea' divers aka saturation divers. The UK navy also has Astute class submarines capable of launching and recovering non-saturation divers. I suspect one of these subs, probably US on account of depth, was used to take out Nord Stream. They could also be involved in placing mines on 'Russia-related' merchant ships in the Mediteranean while the ships are at anchor offshore. This would be more suitable for the shallower diving British system.
Posted by: GC | Feb 21 2025 12:30 utc | 23
There are no Ohio or Astute class submarines in the Black Sea and they aren't permitted into the Black sea due to the Montreaux convention. They can't sneak into the Black Sea because they have to transit the Bosperous and you can't do that submerged. Aside from that the Russians monitor everything transiting the Bosperous with their own Kilo class submarines stationed at the mouth and ASW aircraft patrolling the Black Sea.
I suspect Ukrainian operatives are responsible because they can easily pass for Russian natives. That way they don't need the expense and risk of using a nuclear submarine to do their work ... all they need is a quiet place to slip into the water.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 21 2025 13:04 utc | 25
1. Europe’s Moment of Truth on Defending Ukraine—and the Continent https://www.cfr.org/article/europes-moment-truth-defending-ukraine-and-continent
2. Learn to Fight Your Wars and Defend Yourself Europe https://tinyurl.com/3j2swude
3. Potential US troop withdrawal from Europe to leave Kosovo exposed https://www.intellinews.com/potential-us-troop-withdrawal-from-europe-to-leave-kosovo-exposed-368273/?source=ukraine
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Feb 21 2025 13:09 utc | 26
The Russian MOD and SVR might be keen to test America's seriousness by seeing how it responds (or doesn't) to one of Trump's least favored allies receiving some long overdue and well earned retribution. This could then open the door for eventual 'repayment', perhaps some low hanging fruit, previously coordinated behind the USA's back with Iran for example, since we all know how much Trump loves his PR wins, wink wink.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Feb 21 2025 11:33 utc | 12
Probably the lowest hanging UK fruit is the SS Richard Montgomery, beached along the Thames Estuary in 1944 eventually sinking with 1,400 tonnes of explosive cargo on board. Some was removed but a large amount remains that could naturally explode at any time sending a Tsunami up the Thames.
Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 21 2025 13:18 utc | 27
If the Brits attack Russia, that is, the Brits start it,
and Russia responds on British soil
does that invoke Article 5 of the NATO Treaty?
I don't believe so.
If it doesn't then can Trump tell the Brits now to
cool their heels, we aren't supporting you when
Russia responds?
Article 5The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
Posted by: librul | Feb 21 2025 13:20 utc | 28
Norway is a NATO member. Don't they have US milotary bases on their soil? And aren't those elites selected by the CIA? Just some guesses out of my mind.
Posted by: joey_n | Feb 21 2025 11:34 utc | 13
No actual US military 'bases' but they do have a very large amount of US Marine armour and other gear prepositioned near Trondheim. A cynic would suggest that it was to keep the Norwegians in line as its a long way from any Russian front.
Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 21 2025 13:23 utc | 29
The US are pulling out of this because they dont want to be associated with inevitable defeat. It also gives the kiev regime a line....."the russians only won because Trump pulled out and we had no weapons left"....
Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 21 2025 13:23 utc | 30
DunGroanin | Feb 21 2025 12:55 utc | 24
aaah but.... Starmer can still send the 25 (twenty five) operational tanks they have left, to patrol the thousand kilometers of frontline in Ukraine, can't he? "Farce projection", I think it is called?
19 - Back in 2016 I read an edition of the Russian newspaper Argumenty i Fakty which noted that the Royal Navy was smaller than the French Navy. Quite a come-down historically, and the French Navy itself is not vast.
Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 21 2025 13:31 utc | 32
They should seek out British or British serving foreign commercial vessels and sink them. The Houthis have effectively sunk most British ships trying to traverse the Red Sea, but Britain still has some commercial shipping somewhere serving her interests.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 21 2025 11:15 utc | 7
Tit for tat and then some.
Locally, one of b.'s stellar analyses.
Posted by: elmagnostic | Feb 21 2025 13:31 utc | 33
An atonement moment. Next week, Sir Keir Starmer (KRS) will be visiting the White House. He has a tight but full and fluid agenda. Part of the bilateral back-to-back meetings with Mr. Donald John Trump (DJT) ought to include the deployment of ground forces in Ukraine where the Republic of Poland is said to have volunteered 10,000 troops, the 100-years legally binding agreement between the United Kingdom and Ukraine and finally the alleged sabotage of the Nordstream gas pipeline of which the Russian Federation is fully aware who were the culprits of such an unprecedented terrorist attack. It is imperative that Mr. Donald John Trump (DJT) listens very carefully and remains composed throughout these meetings.
Deployment of forces in Ukraine are unacceptable to the Kremlin and peace negotiations cannot begin without the exclusion of this possibility. Additionally, discussions surrounding the Baltic sea are also in the agenda as it remains a contentious water gate and a front for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to potentially cause further chaos in the area. Belarus is in a state of high alert but ready for whatever outcome is forced upon them along the border with the Republic of Poland. As an extra: South Africa can be designated as the peace negotiator and the venue to resolve and salvage a sustainable and long lasting peace agreement for the benefit of human kind. The Russian Federation have made it crystal clear that no peace can be achieved without taking into account the realities on the ground in line with four conditions drafted and later revised in July last year then put forward by Mr. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (VVP).
And in response to someone from yesterday’s thread: Soviet Ukraine is the result of the Bolsheviks’ policy and can rightfully be called ‘Vladimir Lenin’s Ukraine.’ He was its creator and architect.
Posted by: pepe | Feb 21 2025 13:41 utc | 34
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 11:29 utc | 11
The Astute’s mission set is somewhat different to comparative Russian designs, so it’s hard to compare capabilities. As for crew competency, before a rating can wear their dolphins a RN trainee needs to complete a 30 week course. For more senior roles the period is longer and to become the captain of a boat you have to complete the famous, pass or fail, ‘Perisher’ test, created in WW1.
I don’t know the length of the current Russian submariners programme, or if they have anything equivalent to the command course. I sat next to a ex-Russian SSN captain at a dinner, but the conversation seemed to revolve around toasting everything physical and metaphysical in the room and beyond. Rough night!
Posted by: GC | Feb 21 2025 12:30 utc | 23
Why do you assume it was a manned operation?
Posted by: Milites | Feb 21 2025 13:48 utc | 35
Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 21 2025 13:24 utc | 31
Lol yes, Stonebird well reminded.
The Farce is with them!
I recall they initially announced that they would supply 14 and planned to send 88 Challenger tanks.
Probably never had that many working.
Most of us know what these numbers imply.
WE are the NAZIS!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 21 2025 14:04 utc | 36
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Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 21 2025 13:18 utc | 27
English comprehension does not appear to be your strong suit. Try read through again, slowly.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Feb 21 2025 14:06 utc | 37
"CIA to Conduct Largest Mass Firing Since 1977"
JFK tried to end the CIA in 1963, you see how that ended
Posted by: stubby | Feb 21 2025 14:51 utc | 38
can someone please tell me why the UK is so gungho with war with Russia?
Posted by: Jonathan Mills | Feb 21 2025 14:57 utc | 39
Posted by: stubby | Feb 21 2025 14:51 utc | 39
This is not the CIA of the 60’s or even 70’s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHckeZoYx04
Posted by: Milites | Feb 21 2025 15:00 utc | 40
Italian general Giorgio Battisti, quoted in the Corriea del Sera newspaper, former head of the NATO rapid reaction force; declared that there is no way that E.U. nations could assemble even a 200,000 man force to serve as "peacekeepers" in the Ukraine conflict. He figures that each of the MAJOR NATO entities could maybe produce 5,000 troops, with the French coming up with a few more than that.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 15:10 utc | 41
British animus against Russia is so longstanding it is just a mystery to me why it exists. It seems to have first manifested around the time of the Crimean War. How does such a neocon agenda now benefit the UK is the question. The position of Lloyds in shipping is the obvious, which seems to little for a policy capture.
Posted by: frithguild | Feb 21 2025 15:14 utc | 42
Jonathan [email protected] lad, it's all about inbreeding of the Royal Houses of the EU. Rather that share the kingdom or risk a usurper taking the Crown, the nobility intermarried with their own only. So if you are the Cousin of a Tzar, and you happen to be a King, should say a Tzar and family die, next nearest relative lays claim.
Toss in British Crimea, there's a bit of history for you to look up, and major EU land wars, all directed at Russia. I'm not much of a betting man, but I'd lay odds, that all aggression against Russia, is and always has been underwritten by the Gold Gilded Iron Bank in the City of London.
Cheers M
.....and if you're not a Brit, they are sore losers....and will haunt Russia for a few years yet, as Russia has no stomach to strike Brit assets outside 404......
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 21 2025 15:16 utc | 43
JonathanMills@1457 Feb 21
Britain has NEVER been a democracy. It has long been totally dominated by their titled classes and over the last century or so by their bourgeois bankster and industrialist classes (Sina noblis...without nobility). These oligarchs have been colonialists and imperialists since the time of "John Company"...the British East India Company. Their "vision" has been world domination and ever since the Rottenchilds took over the place in 1815, that impulse has ridden high in the saddle.
Russia, as the Big Boy in the Eurasian heartland has alway been in their way and as an obstacle to their best-laid plans. Currently, the peons have become at the least suspicious of their "betters", as their economic status and treatment by the elites has metastasized.
Britain needs a revoluition. City of London will require demolition...literally. If the British oligarchy attempts to rise above their current station, perhaps some nice hazelnut will be required as a bit of a message, particularly if targeting the core of The Square Mile.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 15:19 utc | 44
Posted by: Jonathan Mills | Feb 21 2025 14:57 utc | 39
Again, separate the citizens from the leadership, if the former seem belligerent then it’s reflexive patriotism mixed with a stereotypical attitude and an ignorance of how far the British Armed forces have declined. The latter are just the living embodiment of the Peter Principle on steroids.
Posted by: Milites | Feb 21 2025 15:20 utc | 45
Thank you b for posting this today. This needs the maximum exposure and needs to be repeated like a mantra. It's always been the Brits agitating against Russia, or their neocon EU stoogies running US foreign policy.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 21 2025 15:24 utc | 46
A false flag event - to justify the butchering of more women and children by the Zio-Monsters via their evil genocide.
"Three empty buses have exploded on the southern edge of Tel Aviv in what Israeli police say is a "suspected terror attack".
It happened in an area where the buses were parked in the city of Bat Yam on Thursday night. There were no casualties.
Devices on two other buses failed to explode, police said. Local media reported that one of these carried a message referring to "revenge" for a recent Israeli raid on a refugee camp in the occupied West Bank.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the Israeli military to carry out "an intensive operation against centres of terrorism" in the West Bank in response."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 21 2025 15:25 utc | 47
"CIA to Conduct Largest Mass Firing Since 1977"
JFK tried to end the CIA in 1963, you see how that ended
Posted by: stubby | Feb 21 2025 14:51 utc | 38
******
From what I read, it is only tbe "woke" lgbtq sensitivity training stiff being hit.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 21 2025 15:29 utc | 48
Seems to be some rumors going around about Zelensky being pressured to leave Ukraine:
from https://t.me/s/ukraine_watch :
"Trump's inner circle has stated that Zelensky should leave Ukraine immediately.
"The best option for Zelensky and the world would be his immediate departure to France," writes the New York Post, citing a source close to the American leader.
Looks like someone should start packing their bags for Macron. "
Also:
"Talks about Zelensky moving to France didn’t start out of nowhere. It’s a hint.
It’s obvious that the Zelensky family’s money is hidden there.
In 2023, Olena Zelenska opened special treasury accounts in three banks under the Rothschild holding, concealed from fiscal and anti-money laundering oversight.
By order of Macron’s chief of staff, financial movements in these accounts are hidden from audits and supervision and are also inaccessible for remote monitoring by regulators in Brussels.
These accounts may be hiding profits from cryptocurrency transactions, arms trade deals, and other financial flows.
This was done to leave no traces in U.S. jurisdiction.
The same Mexican and African arms shipments mentioned by Tucker Carlson, as well as the resale of strike drones to Syria for the new leadership—drones that, under a secret Biden directive, were assembled in a screwdriver-style fashion for Ukrainian forces.
During a major audit, the U.S. will easily trace all transactions to these accounts, especially considering all cryptocurrencies used, which are under CIA and U.S. Treasury control.
The offer to move to France is the final warning.
@ukraine_watch"
Things seem to be moving fast....
Posted by: ctiger | Feb 21 2025 15:29 utc | 49
Dogon Priest@1309 first day of the month of Pisces (who the hell needs those inane Roman months)
Abandonment of Camp Bondsteel in traditionally Serbian Kosovo would be an unmixed blessing. The Albanian goat-fuckers,as Friedrich Engles tellingly described them, have been slithering into Serbian Kosovo for decades. Their Kosovo regime is run by gangsters who would make the Italian Mafia blush and the Khazarian one aghast.
Camp Bondsteel is the icing on the cake of U$$A imperialism as a threat to Russia. Trump would be doing the world a favor if he got his troops the hell outta Dodge.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 15:32 utc | 50
It's a pretty good time for them Russians to send a couple of Oreshniks to pay a visit into Gibraltar.
C'mon, Putin! Do it! You will instantly win Spain over into your side!
Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Feb 21 2025 11:13 utc | 6
Maybe they can overrun all of Northern Morocco while they're at it, so that Spain can rule all the land up to Ceuta and Melilla...
Posted by: TopaInkaYupanqui | Feb 21 2025 15:33 utc | 51
From ZH
Moscow Demanded US-NATO Withdraw Forces From Eastern Europe In Riyadh Talks
A fresh report in Financial Times has revealed that during US-Russia talks in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday, Moscow demanded that NATO and American forces are withdrawn from eastern Europe as a condition for "normalizing relations."Sources in Romania's government revealed the request, which was rejected by the team led by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. But NATO countries along the alliance's so-called Eastern flank are still worried: "Cristian Diaconescu, the Romanian president’s chief of staff and adviser for defense and national security, said on Wednesday that the US delegation had rejected Moscow’s demand, but that there were no guarantees that Washington would not eventually make this concession to Vladimir Putin," FT reports.
Told ja all ;)
Posted by: Exile | Feb 21 2025 15:34 utc | 52
Could a naval explosive drone be used against a fixed offshore installation, such as a wind turbine?
(Asking for a friend)
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Feb 21 2025 15:34 utc | 53
Republicofscotland @1525
No doubt that those exploding buses were a FALSE FLAG. The Izzy authorities needed a distraction to keep the citizens from accessing television depictions of the prisoner exchange embarrassment. Mahmud Od on his You Tube podcast yesterday gave an excellent account of the situation.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 15:35 utc | 54
[email protected] must admit for a spent force they have sunk their fair share of the BSF, blown up their fair share of Russian energy processing facilities, blown up their fair share of Russian air fields, including planes and have killed their fair share of Russian citizens.....yes they are on their knees.....but I don't see them begging, it's Whitehall, they laugh their asses off because all Russia can do is hope, same as many posters here, wait for the collapse.... don't hold your breath.....
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 21 2025 15:37 utc | 55
This is not the CIA of the 60’s or even 70’s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHckeZoYx04
Posted by: Milites | Feb 21 2025 15:00 utc | 40
From what I read, it is only tbe "woke" lgbtq sensitivity training stiff being hit.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 21 2025 15:29 utc | 47
Seriously, that's what people object to about the CIA?
Posted by: TopaInkaYupanqui | Feb 21 2025 15:37 utc | 56
I wish Russia would just crush England's armed forces once and for all - I doubt they'd see much resistance with England's puny armed forces putting up a minimal defence - the Dutch, sailed up the Thames and kicked-ass, that annoying little island on the fringes of Europe has caused much suffering around the globe - and is definitely due some major comeuppance.
Trump appears to be a protectionist, and his little ever obedient minion England, (Starmer) will be sweating buckets - incase Trump gets tough with it - the Special Relationship is utter crap - the Yanks use this term when petting their English minion - and the English use it - to bolster their flagging world position.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 21 2025 15:39 utc | 57
reply to 39
That's a good question. I have been puzzled about this for some time. I can only say that it must be a traditional hatred as with US southern whites who hate blacks, generation after generation. Britain can easily avoid all contact with Russia and yet is obsessed with finding some way to harm them, even as their own economy, culture and military degrade. They can probably offer some excuse about "freedom" while they drift into becoming a police state. You can't even stand silently with an anti-abortion sign. It's repellant and weird.
Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 21 2025 15:40 utc | 58
I assume all this and a lot more we do not know is known to Trump. That is one of the reasons he wants to get out of it asap and certainly does not wants to include Europeans wit their dirty politics into any negotiations. The US exposed as a terrorist state can hardly be called a reliable partner.
Posted by: hubert | Feb 21 2025 15:43 utc | 59
The Neo-Nazi dictator - will ultimately end up living in England, the English government loves him, just as Margaret Thatcher - loved that war criminal General Pinochet, and gave him asylum in England.
"Vladimir Zelensky should leave Ukraine “immediately” and move to France so as not to impede peace talks with Russia, a source close to US President Donald Trump has said, according to the New York Post. The outlet reported that frustration with Zelensky is growing in the White House."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 21 2025 15:44 utc | 60
Speaking of the attacks on Crimea. I recall one awful video, I think from the summer of 2023, where Russian beach goers, men women and children playing in the ocean, tanning, etc, were hit with cluster munitions.
If I were Putin, I'd really want to find out the team behind that one, down to the name of the person who launched it.
There is not a punishment too savage for the sick fucks behind that attack. Nothing.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 21 2025 15:44 utc | 61
it's Whitehall, they laugh their asses off
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 21 2025 15:37 utc | 54
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Don't kid yourself. They go to bed sobbing, lamenting their loss.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 21 2025 15:46 utc | 62
Told ja all ;)
Posted by: Exile | Feb 21 2025 15:34 utc | 51
Romanian fake news, nothing more
en.topwar.ru/259864-v-kremle-oprovergli-sluhi-chto-rossija-v-jer-rijade-trebovala-vyvoda-vojsk-nato-iz-vostochnoj-evropy.html
Posted by: rk | Feb 21 2025 15:46 utc | 63
Posted by: Jonathan Mills | Feb 21 2025 14:57 utc | 39
can someone please tell me why the UK is so gungho with war with Russia?
the East Indies companies (Rothschild and Rhodes) were killing whales to produce lamp oil, and they were colonizing places and using slaves to make the colony produce a profit. Around the time of the American civil war the whales ran out, demand for oil was increasing worldwide; it was becoming illegal and dangerous to run slaves and money was transition from oz of gold to pound of paper.. so it was decided to develop a monopoly in oil and gas(ENergy). the reason for both WWI and WWII was to take the oil from beneath the Ottoman empire from the Ottomans, to establish unchallenged hegemony to paper currency, to block all competition to the private side owned British monopoly in oil and gas. Russia is a competitor, it has a natural abundance of oil and gas. King of the mountain ideology does not allow competition..Russia remains an independent highly competitive, reliable producer and provider of high qualify gas and oil. In technology Russia also outshines the British..
None of this matters to the average Brit, but the Oligarchs in the city of London find competition highly threatening so they use controlled media, the UK government, and organizations like NATO to quash all competition from whatever source.
Posted by: snake | Feb 21 2025 15:50 utc | 64
Re: CIA ?
Secret police are a instruments of tyrants. Plenty wee aghast in Congress when the CIA was proposed and voted against.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 21 2025 15:50 utc | 65
Russia might be in talks with the head of the snake (Nato) US - over peace talks - but the warmongering bully boys club (Nato) - can never be trusted - you must keep a close eye on it at all times.
"NATO is developing plans for potential combat operations targeting Russia’s port infrastructure, the deputy secretary of the country’s Security Council, Grigory Molchanov, has claimed.
In a statement on Friday, Molchanov suggested that the US-led military bloc is building up its capacity to target sea transport, large oil terminals, rail crossings intended for fuel deliveries, and large bridges. He noted that the threats posed to Russia’s port infrastructure also include Ukraine’s widespread use of unmanned attack boats in the Black Sea.
Molchanov also reported that the bloc has been developing “doctrinal documents” for the purpose of conducting operations on the seabed, and that these missions are seen by NATO as a new type of combat environment in addition to land, air, sea, space, and cyberspace."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 21 2025 15:54 utc | 66
Russia directly targeting UK bases etc., is exactly what the British establishment want, and Putin is not stupid enough to do that. The UK attacks are like annoying gnats flying around your head, they may take the odd bite but they certainly won't kill you and then you discover bug spray etc.,
The Western establishments have absolute near full control of the media, including social media. Even greater in the UK, which is searching for a cause celebre to use to drive up the warmongering rhetoric and have an excuse for escalation with Russia. The Russian leadership is not stupid enough to take the bait, especially when they are working hard to keep the Rest of the World on their side by being scrupulously careful not to provide propagandist wins for the West. At the beginning of the war the West tried using false flags such as Bucha and the attacks on civilians in Mariupol but that did not work, and the Russian army is extremely careful not to target civilians. So the West went for more and more provocations, especially the war-happy nutters in the British establishment (let's remember that Churchill wanted to attack the Soviet Union straight after the end of WW2).
Trump puts a stop to all this bullshit. He may have to slap around the Western establishment types a few more times so that they fully get the message. JD Vance lecturing the Romanians on their cancellation of a valid election speaks volumes here. The candidate that was cheated, Georgescu, is anti-Ukraine war and very nationalistic. If he became president, Trump could act like he has no choice but to remove US / NATO troops from Romania - as the Russians put forward at the recent talks. The barking corgis of the Baltics also need to have the NATO troops removed so that they will stop barking while hiding behind the legs of their big brother.
If the UK doesn't get the message there can always be a rerun of the economic and financial attack of the US against it that happened during the Suez Crisis to force it into compliance. The UK is very, very economically and financially weak so it wouldn't take much to get them on their knees. If needed, a friend of Starmer could have an "accident" to reinforce the message - it is obvious that Trump detests him.
When the Ukraine War is finished, and the US has re-established full diplomatic relations, there will be a very major crisis within the UK establishment which rests upon an ever declining nation. They rejected Europe so now they cannot reject the US and kowtow back to the Europeans murmuring "sorry". They will learn to STFU and stop thinking that they are back in the heyday of the Battle of Britain (in reality a last ditch defensive action brought on by a massive military failure) or The Falklands (a war which the British armed forces are simply not equipped to fight in the present).
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 21 2025 15:55 utc | 67
Pub signing rousing rendition of….
Go on home you British soldiers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=25MSWIz6vag&pp=ygUbZ28gb24gaG9tZSBicml0aXNoIHNvbGRpZXJz
Posted by: Exile | Feb 21 2025 16:01 utc | 68
@Posted by: frithguild | Feb 21 2025 15:14 utc | 42
The Brits were good friends with the Russians until the latter defeated Napoleon and became a great power. The UK is an offshore balancer and works to create and fund a coalition of European forces against the most dominant state, which after 1800 became Russia. Then it became Germany in the late 1800s. Soviet Communism in 1917 then made Russia a permanent ideological enemy. With Putin rebuilding Russia it has once again become the most dominant player on the continent.
The Brits were also full snout in with the extractive trough of profiteering in the ex Soviet Union in the 1990s, so they are very pissed that Putin stopped all that. They still dream of a neo-colonial vastness stretching from Belarus to the Pacific.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 21 2025 16:01 utc | 69
Seriously, that's what people object to about the CIA?
Posted by: TopaInkaYupanqui | Feb 21 2025 15:37 utc | 55
It was a disappointment to read & I hope it's wrong. Obviously it's the "regime change" etc that need to go. Frankly the entire thing should be shut down
Posted by: Mary | Feb 21 2025 16:05 utc | 70
Jonathan Mills 39
'can someone please tell me why the UK is so gungho with war with Russia?'
US and UK have a shared Foreign Policy, to use Political Islam's alternative Shari'ah system to warmonger their way to the Pacific as the Brits popping up in Damascus to celebrate the victory of HTS demonstrates.
As Brian Berletic always reminds us, Trump never deviates from long-term US Foreign Policy ,in spite of his bluster and shocking comments. Britain, Israel and the US share a common disgust at the International Law which Russia seeks to maintain and use Asia foundation for the new , replacement Internal Authority of BRICS.
Trump might be an arsehole, but he is joined by fellow arseholes Starmer and Nutjob, in an Arsehole View of RoW, to conquer as much of RoW as they can , before Putin and Xi can establish BRICS.
MI6 has to eat its own HTS vomit and Trump has to eat his own Zionazi shit.
Nobody can find metaphors sufficiently revolting to describe USUKISHTS.
USUKISHTS Foreign Policy is to devour the Drittsekk of colonial sweetmeats on the way to the Pacific. Innit?
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 21 2025 16:07 utc | 71
Does Russia's Security Council read MoA?
https://www.rt.com/russia/613106-russia-nato-port-threat/
Do Trump's carrots have a Francis Drake style stick as a counter?
Is dropping the big expensive ground war just a ruse, only for it to be replaced by covert action led by much cheaper drones and boatmen to squeeze and contain Russia?
That is effectively what Obama did: switch Bush's global war of terror from the US Military to the CIA, replacing Apaches and Tanks with Reaper Drones and Color Revolutions, but the "7 countries in 5 years" plan never stopped.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Feb 21 2025 16:07 utc | 72
Roger [email protected] English Navy is in the process of diversifying. They are transitioning to Drone Naval Warfare.... hypersonics make ships floating targets, smaller ships not worthy of being soniced will face an onslaught of cheap deadly drones, air, surface, sub surface.
Cheers M
.....Bombardier (Canadian) has changed the face of naval warfare with their fast efficient water propulsion Jet Ski design...not sure if they hold patents on it, license it for use, or maybe they just perfected it....but a French Canadian company, underwritten by Canadian taxpayers, subjects of the Queen.....of England.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 21 2025 16:08 utc | 73
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 15:35 utc | 53
Yup. Nutty is calling for attack on west bank due to them was we write.
Posted by: Mary | Feb 21 2025 16:08 utc | 74
Bombardier (Canadian) has changed the face of naval warfare with their fast efficient water propulsion Jet Ski design
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 21 2025 16:08 utc | 71
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You're having fever dreams. Seek professional help.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 21 2025 16:14 utc | 75
Royal Navy is now entirely radio-operated ... Admiralty can now do a full Naval review on the Serpentine.
Hellensky in Paris ? Is it an "Emily in Paris" sequel ? Will it also feature Brigitte ?
You know why Russia engaged in talks with the US ? They are in dire need of more ... popcorn !
Posted by: Savonarole | Feb 21 2025 16:15 utc | 76
The Romanians delayed the presidential election re-run to May 4th (completely unconstitutional as it should be held within 3 weeks of an annulled election) to allow themselves enough time to either fix the election or cook Georgescu. With the US administration very fully supporting Georgescu and pointing out the utter crookedness of the annulment, those plans have gone completely down the drain. Let's remember that Romania is very much a NATO and US neo-colony. The US leadership told them to annul the election (the war criminal Blinken) so they did. They will now also do what they are told by the new administration.
Georgescu is leading in the polls for the rerun of the first round (37%), and the second place candidate is Nicosur Dan the mayor of Bucharest (21%) and the third place to is held by the ruling coalition candidate (18%). Dan did not run in the annulled elections, and was not expected to take part in these. He looks like a candidate put in place as a liberal alternative to Georgescu who is not tainted as part of the ruling coalition, and he is more socially conservative than the ruling coalition. The nationalist AUR candidate stood down and threw his support behind Georgescu.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 21 2025 16:21 utc | 77
Sir Keir will get a very icy reception from DJT.........he detests this far left fascist arse clown........remember it was MI6 that started the Russiagate farce in his first term........
DJT has a long memory..........
Posted by: tobias cole | Feb 21 2025 16:22 utc | 78
British media has been all kinds of incoherent for the last week since Trump started up-ending the game table.
Starmer has been too busy humming rule Britannia while photoshopping himself into pictures of Churchill to notice that the British Army might as well be 12 blokes wanking into a flag, so the political class has rapidly written some cheques it can't cash in an attempt to 'talk tough' to VVP 'the dictator' even while Trump was busy pulling the Ermine rug from under them.
The majority of the mainstream media can clearly see which way the goose is stepping and have dutifully continued denying reality to the masses even as the sky begins to fall around them. Check out Sarah Rainsford on the BBC dripping venom if you want a good laugh at the sheer brass neck (maybe Chutzpah would be a better word?) of these people, lol.
There have been some promising signs in recent days that there are some actual adults at least in the room in London - the head of the Army contradicting Starmer for example - though whether they'll be able to get anywhere near the levers of power before Starmer and Co manage to talk us into sending a few thousand working class lads to die on the Steppes is another question.
Posted by: Northern | Feb 21 2025 16:23 utc | 79
sean the leprechaun (71).
The English government - spent £6.2 billion quid of taxpayers cash on two aircraft carriers, that have broken down on numerous occasions costing more money - both of those sitting ducks, sorry I meant aircraft carriers - are nothing more than staging posts, for the English to attack or threaten weaker nations - Admiral Sir Tony Radakin daren't use them (if, and when they are working) on a capable foe in case the foe retaliates.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 21 2025 16:24 utc | 80
No worries. Pootin don't have the balls to directly target the Brits.
Posted by: Surferket | Feb 21 2025 10:50 utc | 2
"Vladimir Putin". won the war without "targeting the silly Brits ..
Regardless of your leftist slander and name calling ..
cope harder .. lol
Posted by: Carrion | Feb 21 2025 16:28 utc | 81
@Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 21 2025 16:08 utc | 71
Yeah, the UK is the global leader in all the technologies required for this transformation!! The UK navy is dealing with the reality that their two toy aircraft carriers are kaput and they can't even afford all the fighter jets for them. This is classic British downsizing covered up as a "brilliant" strategic move. Have you seen the Dickensian workshops that the UK passes off as high tech MIC production sites?
The much more capable MICs will do a much better job, China, Russia and even Iran. The US will deliver some completely screwed-up version by throwing gobs of cash at their incompetent MIC.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 21 2025 16:29 utc | 82
British media has been all kinds of incoherent for the last week since Trump started up-ending the game table.
Posted by: Northern | Feb 21 2025 16:23 utc | 77
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Their tears practically run off the page.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 21 2025 16:31 utc | 83
'It's always been the Brits English agitating against Russia...running US foreign policy" - Sean the leprechaun 45
True that Sean. And it's been the English who have engaged in world-wide piracy and other forms of state sponsored terrorism...that's how "Britannia" came to "rule the waves". Firebombing of civilians is another contribution to England's "Hall of Infamy". And as you well know, genocide/ethnic-cleansing through starvation is another English "hallmark". Hell, this entire war, this Crimean-War 2.0 is taking place due to the "values" imbued into English/anglophilic schoolboys who have run both London & DC since the 19th century.
On an individual level, the non-schoolboy English can be alright fellows but, the English culture is as sick as anything before or since. Had America left England to it's own devices in WW I and forced them to make peace with the krauts while standing on their own hind legs, the world would be a more peaceful/prosperous place. Sadly the association of DC's anglophilic-schoolboys stepped in to rescue their mentors...the society of English schoolboys.
Posted by: S Brennan | Feb 21 2025 16:37 utc | 84
thanks b.... solid analysis and overview...
@ William Gruff | Feb 21 2025 11:20 utc | 9 - see post by @ Roger Boyd | Feb 21 2025 15:55 utc | 66
thanks for your posts roger..
Posted by: james | Feb 21 2025 16:43 utc | 85
Jonathan Miller @38. Many Brits would like to know the answer to that question. I suspect the establishment that runs our country is drunk on its own propaganda on Britain “punching above its weight” and the Russians being inept. No doubt the rubber will eventually meet the road and I hope the death toll is minimal but I fear there will be significant destruction of British lives and assets somewhere.
Posted by: Philip Espin | Feb 21 2025 16:46 utc | 86
Their tears practically run off the page.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 21 2025 16:31 utc | 81
I swim with delight in the torrents of tears of the so called "liberals" , the so called "journalists" , the blue haired femboyz and the best part is them don't minding if I do :)
Posted by: Savonarole | Feb 21 2025 16:47 utc | 87
Posted by: Surferket | Feb 21 2025 10:50 utc | 2
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If you had read the OP, you would know that Putin already did in Odessa.
So why the completely ignorant and thoughtless response?
Between SoA and sean, the quota for people with axes to grind is full. Find a new schtick.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 21 2025 16:52 utc | 88
"Vladimir Zelensky should leave Ukraine “immediately” and move to France so as not to impede peace talks with Russia, a source close to US President Donald Trump has said, according to the New York Post. The outlet reported that frustration with Zelensky is growing in the White House."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 21 2025 15:44 utc | 59
Britain has NEVER been a democracy. It has long been totally dominated by their titled classes and over the last century or so by their bourgeois bankster and industrialist classes (Sina noblis...without nobility). These oligarchs have been colonialists and imperialists since the time of "John Company"...the British East India Company. Their "vision" has been world domination and ever since the Rottenchilds took over the place in 1815, that impulse has ridden high in the saddle.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2025 15:19 utc | 43
Seems to be some rumors going around about Zelensky being pressured to leave Ukraine:
from https://t.me/s/ukraine_watch :
Posted by: ctiger | Feb 21 2025 15:29 utc | 48
Just like rumors that Mrs. Zelenskyy had a huge shopping spree in Paris, along with all the other crazy fake news stories passed around in the internet. Here you even connect it to fake news pushed by a shill like Tucker Carlson and connect it to Jewish conspiracy theories about the Rothchild family.
Is that NY Post quote even real? I couldn't find that quote anywhere in the Post website, but I did find this NYPost article.
Mr. President: Putin is THE dictator and 10 Ukraine-Russia war truths we ignore at our peril
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The Western establishments have absolute near full control of the media, including social media. Even greater in the UK, which is searching for a cause celebre to use to drive up the warmongering rhetoric and have an excuse for escalation with Russia. The Russian leadership is not stupid enough to take the bait, especially when they are working hard to keep the Rest of the World on their side by being scrupulously careful not to provide propagandist wins for the West. At the beginning of the war the West tried using false flags such as Bucha and the attacks on civilians in Mariupol but that did not work, and the Russian army is extremely careful not to target civilians. So the West went for more and more provocations, especially the war-happy nutters in the British establishment (let's remember that Churchill wanted to attack the Soviet Union straight after the end of WW2).
Trump puts a stop to all this bullshit. He may have to slap around the Western establishment types a few more times so that they fully get the message. JD Vance lecturing the Romanians on their cancellation of a valid election speaks volumes here. The candidate that was cheated, Georgescu, is anti-Ukraine war and very nationalistic. If he became president, Trump could act like he has no choice but to remove US / NATO troops from Romania - as the Russians put forward at the recent talks. The barking corgis of the Baltics also need to have the NATO troops removed so that they will stop barking while hiding behind the legs of their big brother.
If the UK doesn't get the message there can always be a rerun of the economic and financial attack of the US against it that happened during the Suez Crisis to force it into compliance. The UK is very, very economically and financially weak so it wouldn't take much to get them on their knees. If needed, a friend of Starmer could have an "accident" to reinforce the message - it is obvious that Trump detests him.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 21 2025 15:55 utc | 66
It seems more likely that it's Putin who has full control of social media, through puppets like Trump and Musk. This has allowed Putin to dupe people into believing his lies like "the Russians have been careful not to target civilians" and that "Trump is putting a stop to all this bullshit". It's Putin's list of "enemies" that have the "accidents" out of a window or with polonium. Starmer should wear Trump's detest as a badge of honor.
Georgescu's "very nationalistic" tendencies is a right-wing fascist stance very similar to the fascistic nationalism seen from groups like Azov militia. People here insist the "special military operation" is a fight against neo-Nazi groups like Azov? Why is this website then rallying behind JD Vance's defense of similar neo-Nazi movements in other countries, and his encouragement of letting these neo-Nazi parties win elections?
Posted by: TopaInkaYupanqui | Feb 21 2025 16:52 utc | 89
81 - Yes, very noticeable. Normally the "special relationship" keeps the UK locked in but is not so evident at the moment.
The UK establishment is very pro-404, to the point where official buildings fly Ukrainian flags, and Trump is causing it great consternation, judging from the media in Britain. The Guardian is especially shrill.
Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 21 2025 16:55 utc | 90
Posted by: TopaInkaYupanqui | Feb 21 2025 16:52 utc | 87
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Thanks for the laugh.
We don't get many high energy NAFO comments these days.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 21 2025 16:55 utc | 91
Soviet Ukraine is the result of the Bolsheviks’ policy and can rightfully be called ‘Vladimir Lenin’s Ukraine.’ He was its creator and architect.
Posted by: pepe | Feb 21 2025 13:41 utc | 34
Yet Soviet Ukraine didn't grovel before western invaders. Soviet Ukrainians served by the millions in the Red Army, the VVS, the Black Sea Fleet and the partisan forces and paid a bloody price. It was the Galician former Rusyn "Ukrainians" who served as Hitler's minions.
And in the 1990 referendum, Soviet Ukrainians voted over 70% for the preservation of the USSR. It was again the Galician ex-Ruthenians and the Kiev liberals who opposed that. The Belavezha Accords saw the negation of the popular mandate.
And in 2014 during the Anti-Maidan, pro-Russian Ukarianians and ethnic Russians gathered almost invariably in Lenin Squares under Lenin statues as there would be a powerful symbol of Russo-Ukrainian unity.
All this was recognized by the Ukro-Nazis and their Anglo-American masters who moved to decisively eradicate such symbols as they would promote Russophobia and the glorification of Nazi collaborators. It is a tetament of the political degradation of Russia that many Russians - Putin included - approved this development in a masochistic exoression of honoring Yeltsin.
One should always remeber that event in Slavyansk in 2015, when the frist effort by fascist youth to bring down Lenin's statue was fore stalled by an elderly local Red Army veteran. Add to that the scenes with Babushka Z and you see how fucked up was the attitude of so many Russians to applaud the Ukro-fascist destruction of symbols of Russo-Ukrainian unity simply out of a perverse complex that compels them to defend and validate the subhuman neoliberal traitor Boris Yeltsin.
Posted by: Constantine | Feb 21 2025 16:56 utc | 92
It seems more likely that it's Putin who has full control of social media, through puppets like Trump and Musk. This has allowed Putin to dupe people into believing his lies like "the Russians have been careful not to target civilians" and that "Trump is putting a stop to all this bullshit". It's Putin's list of "enemies" that have the "accidents" out of a window or with polonium.
Posted by: TopaInkaYupanqui | Feb 21 2025 16:52 utc | 87
STOP TALKING A LOAD OF BOLLOX!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 21 2025 16:56 utc | 93
related - interesting headline in RT today -
British ‘deep state’ needs a Musk-style review – former PM
Liz Truss has called for a “Trump revolution” in Britain after claiming she was sabotaged during her tenure
Posted by: james | Feb 21 2025 16:59 utc | 94
We don't get many high energy NAFO comments these days.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 21 2025 16:55 utc | 89
This fascist Peruvian is a regular though, showing up with mildly varying aliases.
Posted by: Constantine | Feb 21 2025 17:00 utc | 95
*** They still dream of a neo-colonial vastness stretching from Belarus to the Pacific.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 21 2025 16:01 utc | 68
Thank you Roger Boyd. I view the world strangely, perhaps. What passes as knowledge grows mimetically through a web of influence, resonance and unintentional mimicry. Humans conserve their "computing power" through heuristics based upon memetic knowledge. This is why you so often see the same idea arise from several sources. So I have commented here that the truth is less important than the narrative, especially if the narrative is well coordinated and "harmonious" enough to pass as memetic knowledge (Propaganda). Humans conserve their heuristics because the adoption of anything new may just be a new and harmful narrative.
Certainly, there is a good deal of bitterness among the forces behind the UK with the rule of Russia that commences with Putin (Khodorkovsky - who transferred his stock directly to the Rothschilds, and etc.). This Russian independence is the inevitable outgrowth of the refusal of the World Bank from coming in to Russia in the early 90's, but I digress. There are current interests other than bitterness as well, certainly. So propagation of their preferred narrative is what I find interesting (Talking their book). I struggle with who "they" are and what they want, I guess because they are so well established and skilled at remaining private.
Momentum that makes an old narrative stable is one thing, especially among a group like the UK that has benefitted mightily from the conservation of particular heuristics (Colonialism, etc.). The importance for control of conservation of preferred heuristics (Russia bad, for example) through "misinformation" schemes and constant noise (imprisonment, etc.) then becomes more obvious. But at some point, it seems to me, reality must poke through. That it all stands where it is now only shows how dim the Brits and their Western Europe followers actually are.
Posted by: frithguild | Feb 21 2025 17:01 utc | 96
Liz Truss has called for a “Trump revolution” in Britain after claiming she was sabotaged during her tenure
Posted by: james | Feb 21 2025 16:59 utc | 92
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Truss is always conflating "sabotaged" with "ravished".
Posted by: too scents | Feb 21 2025 17:01 utc | 97
Waldorf 88,
Here, in my neck of the woods and upon my travels I have seen ex-ukrainia's "Blue & Yellow" disappear from "liberals" homes, government-buildings, place-of-business and political associations. Like bankruptcy, moral or financial, it was slow at first, then...all at once.
Posted by: S Brennan | Feb 21 2025 17:02 utc | 98
can someone please tell me why the UK is so gungho with war with Russia?
Posted by: Jonathan Mills | Feb 21 2025 14:57 utc | 39
They believe that Uncle Sam will deliver them from all evil.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 21 2025 17:15 utc | 99
Have the Russians targeted any enemy assets outside of the Ukraine in this conflict? Is there anything to suggest they ever will? Actual evidence suggests that even the most flimsy of deniability ("It wasn't us! It was a couple bumpkins in a sailboat!" as the USS Kearsarge innocently cruises away from the scene of the crime) paralyzes any Russian response other than blowing up more shit in the Ukraine... not that I have any issue with the Russians blowing up shit in the Ukraine, mind you. Those fools really are not worthy of the infrastructure and industry the Soviets left for them and truly do deserve a Stone Age existence.
No, the sLimeys are perfectly safe throwing sucker punches at Russia, and so long as they keep their own non-disposable personnel out of the Ukraine no Britards will ever be harmed. Until we see otherwise, the safest bet is the Russians will continue their interpretation of "honorable and gentlemanly conduct of warfare" and only strike targets in the Ukraine.
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 21 2025 11:20 utc | 9
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To do so would have triggered Article 5. We'd know about that.
Instead there have been several "mysterious" fires at ammunition production facilities in the US and UK over the last 2 years.
The Russians are patient and savvy as the OP detailed.
The difference between the occidental and oriental approaches to EVERYTHING.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 21 2025 17:16 utc | 100
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The British may believe they can hit the Russians hard in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea by disrupting Russian oil shipments and maybe later targeting underwater energy pipelines - but can they reach Russian energy shipments and transport routes across the Arctic Ocean and overland through Siberia into Central Asia and China? Would they not over-extend themselves if they tried attacking the Russians elsewhere apart from the Mediterranean and Black Seas? B might wonder if the British have thought deeply about what alternatives the Russians may resort to, that they cannot reach.
And if indeed Russian naval forces have learned to destroy the networks behind the attacks, then the British need to defend their bases in Cyprus, Malta and Gibraltar. I wonder if they might be a little overstretched with their bases so far apart. Has the MoD thought seriously about upgrading and defending these bases?
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 21 2025 10:31 utc | 1