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January 26, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-017

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Calling the Z Man .. what ya gonna do?
does he make it ? and what of Azov ?
Hey Europe .. how YOU doin’. lol

Posted by: Carrion | Jan 26 2025 13:41 utc | 1

I’m reposting from the other thread. Some actual F-16 news. In addition to 22.01.25 report:

Last week, two flights of F-16 fighters were recorded in the south of the Ukrainian-occupied territory of Zaporizhia Oblast. The planes flew in the direction of Polohovsky District, turned around and flew back.
[…] “>https://t.me/rusich_army/20271

We got another update yesterday:

Recently we wrote that the Ukrainian side began using F-16 fighters in the Zaporizhia direction. In recent days, their flights have shifted eastward to the South Donetsk direction.
For several days now, a pair of F-16 fighters have been flying to Velyka Novosilka from the Vasylkiv airfield near Kiev. The goal is to prevent the remaining Ukrainian units from being blocked, which they are not doing very well.
No strikes from F-16s were recorded. However, they are most likely acting with a different mission. Velikaya Novosyolka is not only surrounded, where our ground forces are advancing successfully.
Our frontline aviation is also operating there, striking the enemy. And the F-16s are practically guaranteed to be equipped with air-to-air missiles to intercept our planes and helicopters.
“>https://t.me/rusich_army/20361

To summarize, risk-reward of using their shiny not-so-new jets continues to stifle their tactical (let alone operational) use. Now that AFU built enough courage to actually fly them in a general detection of the enemy, they might even try firing a missile in a month or two.

Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 13:58 utc | 2

Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 13:58 utc | 2

Remember how Lavrov ran his mouth that F-16 will be treated as nuclear carriers?
Which they indeed should be. But here we are, their use is normalized, as were the regular NATO strikes on the Russian interior.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 14:06 utc | 3

Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 13:58 utc | 2
Remember how Lavrov ran his mouth

no .. i don’t ever remember Lavrov “running his mouth” ….
talk about showing your cards. sheeesh

Posted by: Carrion | Jan 26 2025 14:12 utc | 4

Nearly two weeks since Ukraine fired ATACMS into Russia and there are rumours emanating from the US that the targeting and operating cells, who operate these systems, might be prosecuted by the new administration, as the US is not at war with Russia. Perhaps Biden’s pardon bonanza should have included more people.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 14:06 utc | 3
At the moment they’re burning holes in the sky, costing $27K per hour, and without the usual support package there is little they can achieve tactically, let alone affect an operational impact.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 14:29 utc | 5

Ukraine Weekly Update, 24th January 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-0bc

Posted by: The Busker | Jan 26 2025 14:49 utc | 6

Milites@5……probing flight costs are outweighed by identifying and destroying Russian AD assets….
Cheers M
…..remember all that cheering when Russia scored that long range kill, way back when, with their game changing weapon, looks like that game changed….wonder why …maybe it was propaganda from day one.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 14:50 utc | 7

…..remember all that cheering when Russia scored that long range kill, way back when, with their game changing weapon, looks like that game changed….wonder why …maybe it was propaganda from day one.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 14:50 utc | 7

Russian AD against planes have been MIA for most of the war.
They are supposed to be flying interceptors at high altitude and shoot down all planes within hundreds of kilometers with the R-37Ms, even when those planes fly at low altitude and are thus difficult for the S-400s to engage.
What we have instead is legacy Soviet air frames and now NATO planes too dropping guided bombs from right at the Russian border.
WTF???

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:20 utc | 8

no .. i don’t ever remember Lavrov “running his mouth” ….
Posted by: Carrion | Jan 26 2025 14:12 utc | 4

Then you have not been paying attention.
Unfortunately, the Russian people mostly haven’t either, because they have been quite successfully brainwashed into thinking there is no alternative.
Meanwhile the new normal is daily missile and drone strikes deep into the Russian interior. Each night we play bingo on which cities will be burning this time.
And it is a free-for-all for everybody to come and kill Russians, safe in the knowledge that the Kremlin will not lift a finger to protect its people. Because the oligarchs being able to again park their megayachts and private planes in all the fancy destinations in the West they frequented three years ago is the ultimate goal here, not the safety of the Russian people, and to that end the Russian people will be sacrificed in monstrous numbers with zero remorse.
There is some grumbling about the situation, and it is growing, but Putin and the oligarchs have not yet been buried in unmarked graves the way Nicholas II was, so clearly it is not sufficient yet.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:25 utc | 9

Posted by: Carrion | Jan 26 2025 14:12 utc | 4
#########
That is a well known vicious Westerner known in the bar as having the emotional control of a toddler.
There are a handful of these things about.
Too cowardly to fight and too stupid to keep their mouth shut.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 15:33 utc | 10

Happy Velikaya Novosyolka liberation day!

Posted by: Yadro | Jan 26 2025 15:39 utc | 11

And it is a free-for-all for everybody to come and kill Russians, safe in the knowledge that the Kremlin will not lift a finger to protect its people.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:25 utc |9
Dont talk bollox! The kiev thugs were bombing donetsk and lugansk for 10 years killing russian speakers. You dont see that bombing anymore. The two cities are almost free of those bombs. And you say russia hasnt lifted a finger to help? You dont know what your talking about. Your too fucked up with western propoganda to be able see reality.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 15:44 utc | 12

Funny how a delay in delivery of funds to Ukraine will not be resulting in a Presidential impeachment this time around.
2020 election was stolen, Trump is smart and pragmatic and stability in energy prices is a good topic for discussion. All while Foggy Bottom has been put in a state of administrative chaos. Not what the post modernist deep state was expected or planned for.
This all opens the way for quiet discussion on broader topics. I stated here at MoA quite some time ago that the end of the SMO will have the elements of a real estate development deal that connects Hungary with the RF. This is why there was a blocking operation nullifying the Romanian elections.

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 26 2025 15:48 utc | 13

Happy Velikaya Novosyolka liberation day!
Posted by: Yadro | Jan 26 2025 15:39 utc | 11

Incredible success.
Three months to take a town of 6,000, and more than a month to take it after it was effectively cut off.
Some of us are old enough to remember that Mariupol, a city of nearly half a million, was fully taken more quickly than that, and even later on Severodonetsk (100,000 population) was taken in a month and Lisichansk (also 100,000) in just a week.
Now it often takes a month for even tiny villages, with even the quickest substantial operations since then, which was Selidovo, still taking a couple months. And the Ukronazis are supposed to be collapsing now…
The Russian army is absolutely steamrolling the enemy, isn’t it?
An enemy whose rear and logistics have not been affected in any substantial way, even immediately close to the front lines, and whose command and control structures are sacrosanct and absolutely untouchable, because for the Russian political leadership hundreds of thousands of Russian lives are of absolutely no importance compared to the safety and well-being of the Ukrainian and Western elites and the business interests of Russian oligarchs.
What a way to lead the country to a glorious future…

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:54 utc | 14

Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 13:58 utc | 2
Last stronghold by the ukies lost today in Southern Donbass, by bye country 404!!!.

Posted by: pepe | Jan 26 2025 15:56 utc | 15

Despite the hopeless situation on the battlefield for Ukraine, Donald Trump nevertheless has substantial leverage to get a quick end to the war. All of the following are greatly desired by Putin, and would cost the USA nothing in terms of material loss:
1. Written pledge by USA that Ukraine will never be allowed into NATO.
2. USA agrees that all provinces claimed by Russia (including the portion not yet won on the battlefield) will be treated by USA as lawfully part of Russia (rather than as territory of Ukraine illegally occupied by Russia).
3. All sanctions will be dropped immediately.
4. USA will strongly urge that Russia’s impounded funds be immediately restored to Russia.
5. USA will strongly urge Ukraine to pull back immediately from all provinces claimed by Russia (and Kursk). If so, then all fighting should stop immediately, definitively ending the Ukraine war.
6. USA will end military support to Ukraine permanently.
7. Russia will not get Odessa or Kharkov (or Kiev).
8. USA will not block or discourage restoration of the Nordstream pipelines (but there will be no financial reparations or anything similar on anyone’s part). Similarly, USA will not block or discourage (though USA will not demand) restoration of Russian pipelines across Ukraine.
If Putin balks at accepting this generous peace deal immediately, then Trump will threaten to go over Putin’s head and openly present this peace deal to China. China and the Global South would likely support this peace deal, thus putting Russia in an awkward spot internationally if Putin rejects it.
Ukraine’s horrendous losses on the battlefield end immediately. [The fact that to date, Trump is horribly misinformed as to the battlefield losses of both Ukraine and Russia, and also as to the state of Russia’s economy, is largely irrelevant. Trump in any event wants peace now, with the USA under Trump not getting bogged down in Ukraine. Trump wants this peace deal.]
Ukraine keeps Odessa and Kharkov, being invaluable parts of Ukraine that Ukraine will likely lose if there is no settlement in 2025. In particular, the loss of Odessa would be absolutely devastating for Ukraine. Ukraine has incentive to accept this deal, especially in light of its utterly untenable situation on the battlefield.
If USA and Russia and China and most of the Global South strongly support this peace deal, how could Ukraine and/or the rest of Europe resist it? UK and Poland and the Baltics won’t be happy, but they can do nothing about it; France and especially Germany may well breathe a deep sigh of relief, silently supporting the peace deal.
Once again, the wild card here is China, which could speak for the Global South and effectively demand acceptance by Russia of this generous peace deal. Otherwise, Russia would risk alienating its best customers and thereby hurting its economy greatly, and would also risk losing the enviable position it has gained with the Global South politically over the last 3 years. My point here is that Trump has substantial leverage.
Russia both has a lot to lose if this peace deal is rejected, and a lot to gain if this peace deal is accepted. At a summit with Putin, Trump could end the Ukraine War in 24 hours. Let’s hope he does. End the killing and destruction now. That’s what Trump wants, with USA completely out of Ukraine for good (with the Ukraine War blamed exclusively on Biden). Putin’s recent shockingly pro-Trump comments (even if insincere) indicate that Putin may be agreeable to a generous peace deal with Trump.
Stine

Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/85149
“Trump’s 100-day plan” for Ukraine: a truce is promised by Easter, and peace by May 9
It cannot be said with certainty that the plan corresponds to reality. The Ukrainian edition of Strana reports that the document was handed over by the United States to the Europeans, and they, in turn, handed it over to Ukraine.
Main:
▪️In late January and early February, Trump plans to hold a telephone conversation with Putin. He also wants to discuss the situation in Ukraine with its authorities.
▪️Following the talks, a decision may be made to continue or suspend the dialogue.
▪️Volodymyr Zelensky must cancel the decree that prohibits negotiations with Putin.
In February or the first half of March, Trump may meet with Putin and Zelensky. It is not yet clear whether it will be a trilateral meeting or two separate ones. At the meeting, it is planned to discuss the main parameters of the peace plan.
▪️From April 20, it is planned to declare a truce along the entire front line, and all Ukrainian troops will be withdrawn from the Kursk region.
▪️At the end of April, an international peace conference is due to begin, which will record an agreement between Russia and Ukraine to end the conflict. The United States, China and a number of countries in Europe and the Global South will act as mediators.
▪️Also at this time, the exchange of prisoners will begin according to the “all for all” formula.
By May 9, the conference’s declaration on the end of the conflict should be published. Martial law and mobilization will not be extended in Ukraine, and presidential elections will be held at the end of August.
What is included in the agreement?
▪️Ukraine does not seek to return the territories that were liberated by Russia, either militarily or diplomatically, but at the same time it does not officially recognize Russia’s sovereignty over these territories.
▪️Ukraine will not become a member of NATO and declares its neutrality. The decision that Ukraine will not be accepted into the alliance must be confirmed at the NATO summit.
▪️Ukraine will become a member of the European Union by 2030. The EU undertakes to rebuild the country after the war.
The number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not decreasing, and the United States is modernizing the Ukrainian army.
▪️After the conclusion of a peace agreement, some of the anti-Russian sanctions will be lifted, and restrictions on the import of Russian energy to the EU will be lifted.
▪️Parties that protect the Russian language and advocate peaceful relations with Russia should participate in the elections in Ukraine. The persecution of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church will also stop.
▪️Separate consultations will be held on the issue of EU peacekeepers.

Posted by: guest | Jan 26 2025 16:06 utc | 17

HERMIUS@12…..it is well known as per the Bentley updates during that time that Russia restricted the (fucking restraint again) LDPR from retaliating against the Ukraine….they didn’t want to upset their partners….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 16:10 utc | 18

Dont talk bollox! The kiev thugs were bombing donetsk and lugansk for 10 years killing russian speakers. You dont see that bombing anymore. The two cities are almost free of those bombs. And you say russia hasnt lifted a finger to help? You dont know what your talking about. Your too fucked up with western propoganda to be able see reality.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 15:44 utc | 12

Dozens were killed in Gorlovka on multiple occasions just in the last week, and Donetsk was bombed multiple times by HIMARS missiles too.
But more importantly, Russia proper is being bombed daily, many thousands were slaughtered like pigs by the NATO/Nazi invasion force in Kursk, hundreds of thousands were made internal refugees, and Russian cities are on fire every night.
And yes, the Kremlin is not lifting a finger.
And you are the one fucked up by Western propaganda and unable to see it. Just not the official Western propaganda, but the alternative one, in which Putin is the 5D chess grandmaster who is outplaying the evil globalists in the West at every turn.
All that while his cities are bombed daily, his ships are sunk in international waters, he is losing his most important allies, and NATO has surrounded him more tightly than ever.
A remarkable success.
Let me spell it out for you in case you don’t understand it:
1) Putin has the power to make sure nobody in Ukraine will dare ever again kill a Russian civilian within hours of deciding to take serious measures. The appropriate missiles visit the locations of the Ukrainian leadership and the Ukrainian oligarchy, and Putin comes out with a statement that everyone who has escaped the first salvo is a dead man walking and will be hunted mercilessly unless the atrocities stop. Then he follows up on those threats. The atrocities will stop — there are committed Ukronazis who might act locally, but the Ukrainian elite as a whole is in this for the money, and will be deterred if there is a real threat to their lives, because money is worthless if you are dead.
Did he ever do that? Of course not. Why? Because Putin runs Russia on the behalf of the Russian oligarchs, and for the Russian oligarchs the Ukrainian oligarchs are part of the same club, while the ordinary Russian civilians who are being slaughtered are not in it. So the former are a protected class, while the latter are disposable. Simple as that.
2) Putin has the power to effectively win the war within half an hour of deciding so, and to end all hostilities within about 2-3 months of taking the appropriate measures within that half an hour (mopping up will take some time). Which are to make sure the weapons transfers to Ukraine stop using the abundant kinetic means at his disposal. Yes, that means nuking Poland and Romania down to a total glassed zero (we can add Germany and several others who fully deserve it to the list too). Yes, that is the mandatory thing to do — how much further WWII-level slaughter and destruction on Russian territory will be tolerated? No, it will not lead to a global nuclear exchange — nobody is crazy enough to launch a strategic strike on Russia in response, and if they are, they were going to do it anyway, and what is happening right now is a preparation for it (which it indeed quite obviously is); it is better to strike now than to let them prepare for it even better.
Why is Putin not doing that? Because if he does do it, the Russian oligarchs will never again be able to dock their megayachts in the French Riviera harbors and will never again be able to fly to Courchevel with their private planes. Worse, the country will quite likely have to do away with them altogether as a class (the economy will have to finally become self-sufficient, and that will eliminate the resource export middlemen that the current oligarchy is). Totally unacceptable for the Russian oligarchy, much better to have the grunts die in the trenches in the hundreds of thousands and soon millions, they want to be part of the club of the world elites, and they will stop at nothing towards that goal — they already broke up the country in 1991 chasing that dream, they will do it again. Putin works for those people, always, always, always remember that.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 16:11 utc | 19

Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16
#########
The truth is that Trump cannot do much.
He’s caught between a rock (Russian resolve) and a hard place (US ideological fanaticism).
I’ve been talking for over a month that Trump has nothing to give Putin in return for anything back.
As usual Trump talked a big game and suckers fell for it. No single phone call, no 24 hours. Putin has defeated Trump and America for the whole world to see.
Btw, the DPRK has been moving a lot of their mobile artillery to Russia by train the last few days.
The showdown looms between Russia and NATO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 16:16 utc | 20

Despite the hopeless situation on the battlefield for Ukraine, Donald Trump nevertheless has substantial leverage to get a quick end to the war. All of the following are greatly desired by Putin, and would cost the USA nothing in terms of material loss:
Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16

Well, that is the fear, isn’t it?

1. Written pledge by USA that Ukraine will never be allowed into NATO.

And that written pledge is worth what?

2. USA agrees that all provinces claimed by Russia (including the portion not yet won on the battlefield) will be treated by USA as lawfully part of Russia (rather than as territory of Ukraine illegally occupied by Russia).

Which leaves the Nazis consolidated in possession of the rest. That would be as if Hitler stopped the war in late 1941, Stalin agreed on the new border, and that is where it remained permanently. Would that have been a catastrophic strategic defeat for Moscow? You bet. So it will be now.

3. All sanctions will be dropped immediately.

Haven’t we been hearing how good the sanctions have been for the Russian economy? Well, it automatically follows that lifting them would be bad for Russia, doesn’t it?
Which is actually true – a non-sanctioned Russia will once again have zero incentive to invest into its own development and will revert back to being a totally degenerate petrostate. The only hope for avoiding that fate is the sanctions becoming permanent. In fact right now just the mere expectation that the sanctions will be soon lifted is having a major stunting effect on serious internal investment.

4. USA will strongly urge that Russia’s impounded funds be immediately restored to Russia.

Good luck with that, as much of those funds have already been spent.

5. USA will strongly urge Ukraine to pull back immediately from all provinces claimed by Russia (and Kursk). If so, then all fighting should stop immediately, definitively ending the Ukraine war.

See point 2) above

6. USA will end military support to Ukraine permanently.

Doesn’t solve the Banderite problem.

7. Russia will not get Odessa or Kharkov (or Kiev).

See above — that is a total strategic defeat

8. USA will not block or discourage restoration of the Nordstream pipelines (but there will be no financial reparations or anything similar on anyone’s part). Similarly, USA will not block or discourage (though USA will not demand) restoration of Russian pipelines across Ukraine.

See my point above about Russia being a petrostate. The US did Russia a great favor by blowing up the pipelines.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 16:19 utc | 21

With Ansarallah laughing at Trump’s sanctions on them and his inability to stop Ukraine, the message to the Global South is weakness.
I do not expect Trump to be successful restoring normalization or OPEC helping him out with oil prices. The Axis knows that they can wait him out and every day Odessa returning to Russia becomes more likely.
It’s like he still doesn’t have a handle on how much the world has changed since 2020.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 16:23 utc | 22

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 14:50 utc | 7
There’s cheaper ways to find AD, ask the IDF. Russian AD is good, but vastly over hyped, regarding its capabilities. The real problem is they don’t have the number of aerial platforms for the CAP’s required and those that they do have were not designed for intense, long duration conflicts. The West are not stupid, they are getting as much, if not more, from this conflict in intel terms, given the Russians risk revealing more regards capabilities than the West, who has largely supplied their proxy with legacy systems, whilst any new wizardry is mostly remote and largely passive in operation.
The strategy of attrition by bombardment and assault was not a desired one, but forced onto the Russians by Western intervention and proxy support. As with any strategic choice it has both advantages and disadvantages, so it will be interesting to see if the election of a new Administration is going to be the former or the latter, for Russia. The ‘drill baby drill’ promise and pressuring the Saudi’s to increase production would seriously impact Russia, but auditing or reducing aid would be damaging to Ukraine, as would reducing or removing certain ISR and/or long-range strike capabilities.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 16:42 utc | 23

I wish SB2020 would start his own blog/substack for those who like that sort of thing, instead of clogging up the threads here. But that would mean his mission was to inform rather than to disrupt.
I notice that when a thread gets big enough he’s nowhere to be seen, the moment there’s a new one he’s in like a tomcat spraying the living room curtains.
Rump Ukraine are losing – their industry, their resources, their people.
Europe are losing, not as badly as Ukraine but their economy has struck the buffers. Their leadership has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. I remember a decade ago serious talk about an independent foreign policy – all gone when NS2 went bang and they said nothing. Battered wife syndrome.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/24/davos-donald-trump-tariffs-eu-us
“Trump’s return to the White House has sparked a wave of soul searching across Europe. His America First doctrine and threat of tariffs on EU goods have left Europe’s elite wondering how it can close the growing economic gulf with the US – and find the billions needed for extra military expenditure. In countless conversations at Davos, business leaders and politicians laid bare the problems facing the EU: from stagnation in the core economies of France and Germany and failure to rival the American tech titans, to the rise of populism and the Ukraine war on its doorstep.”
You’ve lost your cheap energy supply, your people are getting poorer (and stroppier), and we’d like you to double or triple your military spending. Sounds like a plan !
The US are winning short term, but detaching Europe from Russia and directing Russian energy to China is a Pyrrhic victory that they will come to rue.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 16:49 utc | 24

Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16
Dream on. The Trump administration may honor such agreements but the next administration can simply renege and restart the process of re-arming Ukraine for another round. Ukraine remains a threat until the present government and the Banderites are removed root and branch. There can be no American/Nato presence in 404.

Posted by: Mike R | Jan 26 2025 16:54 utc | 25

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:20 utc | 8
Their airframes and engines were not designed for the number of flying hours they have put in. My guess is the latest AD SAMs are buying time for their withdrawal and refurbishment. Rotary platforms are more robust, but they must be also be eating into their service-life hoursstressed, I also noticed footage of female pilots (masked but the eyes betray) which was rare at the beginning of the SMO. This is just attrition from combat use, and does not include the considerable number of airframes destroyed or damaged.
Bottom line, the Russian Airforce is not fighting the type of conflict it minimally (measured in flight hours per month) trained or was equipped for.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 16:57 utc | 26

@17
First US frees all Russian assets with penalty and interest. Then U.S. ends all sanctions and pays for all lost revenues to Russian Federation
ThenUS hold monitored election to replace their Thieu in Kiev.
Then US can pull all troops and stores from continental Europe
Maybe a formal surrender conference can get Trump out of this hole…..

Posted by: paddy | Jan 26 2025 17:05 utc | 27

Aerospace vehicles have no service life hour limits outside the west where proper maintenance is not used bc new vehicles pay better dividends…

Posted by: paddy | Jan 26 2025 17:14 utc | 28

“Funny how a delay in delivery of funds to Ukraine will not be resulting in a Presidential impeachment this time around.
2020 election was stolen, Trump is smart and pragmatic and stability in energy prices is a good topic for discussion. All while Foggy Bottom has been put in a state of administrative chaos. Not what the post modernist deep state was expected or planned for.
This all opens the way for quiet discussion on broader topics. I stated here at MoA quite some time ago that the end of the SMO will have the elements of a real estate development deal that connects Hungary with the RF. This is why there was a blocking operation nullifying the Romanian elections.”
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 26 2025 15:48 utc | 13
Excellent post!!

Posted by: canuck | Jan 26 2025 17:16 utc | 29

Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16
Trump’s an avid SM consumer, as are most of his administration, using it as an alternative source of news and get-around the siloing of information and fake narratives, created by the DS. At the moment the most important thing is focusing on building and consolidating the foundations of a MAGA administration, something ‘45 was ignorant off, meaning removing stay-behinds and destroying their networks and enablers is priority, not creating stories the DS/MSM conduit can spin.
Comprehensive list of possibilities but you forget the Gorbachev/Afghanistan option. Allow Putin a fixed amount of time to try to militarily find a solution, then say enough’s enough. This way the problem is easier to ‘solve’, becoming a fait accompli that just needs two confirmatory signatures, whilst dodging the Dolchstoss label the MSM are dying to exploit (Russia x 3 Mk II).

Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 17:17 utc | 30

….remember all that cheering when Russia scored that long range kill, way back when, with their game changing weapon, looks like that game changed….wonder why …maybe it was propaganda from day one.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 14:50 utc | 7
Perhaps the Russians don’t see these F-16 as enough of a threat to worry about. Consider that NATO are operating war games and training scenarios from the black sea all the way to Vladivostok and Russia has no choice but to treat them as a potential attack. Perhaps they feel they need their air to air missiles for a potential engagement against NATO.
Unlike NATO Russian aviation work behind Russian SAMs not in front of them. It would likely be up to SAMs to engage F-16’s rather than aircraft.
Consider too that these aircraft could be used as bait to lure Russian aircraft into an SAM ambush.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 26 2025 17:43 utc | 31

An F16 doing anything other than sending a missile into Russia proper territory is a nothing burger. They can fly around and go whee! all they want but for SMO purposes they’re just pesky mosquitoes.

Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 26 2025 18:01 utc | 32

Anon2022@1619 Jan 26
As a geopolitical analyst…on this medium…you are clearly in the D-class. First instance is that you propound that the R.U. is desperate to engage in negotiations. Ridiculous on the face of it as the Russians hold preponderant positions on the Ukrainian chessboard. Any accommodation would axiomatically occur on Russian terms. The issue for them is existential. They cannot and will not allow the Maidan coup regime in Kiev to become part of a hostile power. Period.
Face it. Russia is NOT some mere petro-state. It just happens to be the most powerful military power in the world. On the Eurasian continent, along with its Chinese and Iranian allies; it reigns supreme. Even in the maritime front, Russian submarines have the capacity to shut down U$$A military supplies and heavy equipment to that world-continent.
Additional to that defensive capacity; they also possess the Poseidon missile system, by means of which they can plant these Tsunami weapons just off the North American east coast continental shelf. If Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York and Boston were to be obliterated by massive wave power; the U$$A would instantaneously become a failed state.
Obviously, you don’t know shit about geopolitical reality…merely huffing and puffing away in your probably well-compensated propaganda campaign.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:02 utc | 33

Now if an F16 sends a missile into Russia proper my money says the airstrip is took off from will be obliterated.

Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 26 2025 18:03 utc | 34

ANON2022@1611 Jan 26
Whatever convinces you that V.V. Putin is controlled by the Oligarchs.? A substantial level of proof must back up your assertions…otherwise we can assume they are merely bombast and bullshit.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:06 utc | 35

HB_Norica@31….. Lavrov’s on record, F16 nuke capable, big doo doo…….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 18:06 utc | 36

The Oreshnik will soon be placed in Belarus. That’s interesting and the poles must be very nervous indeed.
Trump’s peace pledge has only 93 days to go.
Trump must face defeat and declare unconditional surrender like the japs did in WW2.

Posted by: pepe | Jan 26 2025 18:09 utc | 37

guest@1606 Jan 26
Your point by point presentation reminds me of Swiss cheese…a bit holie and some of them cavernous.
That the Ukraine army is not decreasing which you posit is pure humbug. Evidently, you do appear to receive your news by means of the Main$scream noose outlets. All diligent researchers full well understand that the Maidan Coup regime and its supreme leader, the no longer constitutionally licit Piano Dick Tater is nothing more than an overpaid actor, strutting egotistically on the world stage. When women, elderly men and now teenagers are forcibly conscripted by kidnapping squads to become new meat for the grinder; it is highly evident that the Maidan military is a spent force.
Take this tip. Remove the boobtoobs from your home and transport them to a deserted gravel pit. Bring along a shotgun with plenty of #6 shot shells…and have some fun with them. Seek out alternative news sources which do not follow the narrative (aka party line) and become informed about the true state of affairs in Ukraine.
If I were to be asked to put an I.D. on you, my assessment would be a grad school type in one of the Ivies, intent on becoming an aspirant to “serve” at Foggy Bottom.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:19 utc | 38

ANON2022 you say the only way for Putin to win this is for him to nuke Romania and/or Poland into nothing with the deaths of many millions.
If thats the only option, can you not see how Putin’s hands are actually tied?

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jan 26 2025 18:21 utc | 39

Posted by: guest | Jan 26 2025 16:06 utc | 17
I don’t know what your source is for these hypothetical negotiations, but it seems that the main losers in that deal would be the EU (they will have to dig up over 500 billion to rebuild Ukraine). I suspect that would lead to the dissolution of EU through drastic drop of life quality and purchasing power.
It’s useless to speculate with these negotiations until they are publicly acknowledged by the Kremlin, whose stance so far is they are open to negotiation, which has indeed been their stance SINCE February 2022, and before when they proposed a security treaty for Europe. I would be amazed if Russia trusts any further deal with Nato.
The cold hard fact is that Ukraine without Donbass and Krivoy Rog minerals is not worth the price to invest in for the US. But EU will sink the remainder of their wealth into a black sink hole without getting anything in return.
But of course there’s always a possibility someone is talking in the background, maybe oligarchs on both side how to divvy up the spoils. If oligarchs are talking, then they also talk about sanctions, and new sort of economic arrangements. These talks do not include EU, who is a subject to economic or political decisions at US whims.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2025 18:28 utc | 40

…I also noticed footage of female pilots (masked but the eyes betray) which was rare at the beginning of the SMO. This is just attrition from combat use, and does not include the considerable number of airframes destroyed or damaged.
Bottom line, the Russian Airforce is not fighting the type of conflict it minimally (measured in flight hours per month) trained or was equipped for.
Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 16:57 utc | 26

My take is different. I see it as milk runs for some brass’ daughters. The SMO has already already been internalized as a success an everybody wants to be a father (and mother) of the victory. So, when there is a chance to skate, some daughters of some AF generals are allowed to participate in actual fighting, because this means that they will be set for life as really-real fighting heroes and so their bright future is all but quaranreed.

Posted by: Rutte | Jan 26 2025 18:29 utc | 41

Soon it will be obvious that Trump will be worse than Biden’s team. (Biden does not count as he is demented by the Alzheimer disease [and Parkinson].)
He is a fucking liar. And nobody shall trust him as he never kept his word on important matters.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 18:30 utc | 42

Stine@1604 Jan 26
Quite the compendium of proposals. However you have overlooked the key to a peace deal. Russia may well insist that under international supervision (and with no possibility of Western interests being even a plurality)…a referendum would be held in each and every Oblast currently under control by the Bolshevik’s original Ukraine SSR (aka the Frankenstein Monster).
What this proposition amounts to is that the PEOPLE of those Oblasts would hold decision enablement to decide whether they would choose to become a part of a NovoUkrainia government, aligned with its Slavic brothers, the R.U. and Belarus; (2. Becoming a totally military disarmed entity in the far west of current Ukraine…with its independence guaranteed by Belarus; Russia and Poland; 3) Slovakian, Hungarian and Romanian ethnics who could choose to rejoin their motherlands and (4. Russian speaking majority oblasts to be reunited with the R.U.
Quite simple and utterly fair: The PEOPLE would choose their political affiliations.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:31 utc | 43

Posted by: Rutte | Jan 26 2025 18:29 utc | 41
You will mostly see daughters and sons of important politicians and military leaders. This applies less so to Russia where sense of defending the motherland is high. But in Ukraine, you see NO ONE of politician or generals sons and daughters in the battlefield, in fact most have fled the country.
If Ukraine was winning, the sons and daughters of politicians would be there doing milk runs and taking credit for an already won war. Instead, you see and hear nothing but silence on that front and everyone is literally running away bags and suitcases filled with gold and foreign currencies and sending their children into foreign schools (just look at e.g. Kuleba or Klitschko).

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2025 18:34 utc | 44

Perhaps the Russians don’t see these F-16 as enough of a threat to worry about.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 26 2025 17:43 utc | 31
Yes. And f16s entering Ukr were first reported long time ago, not new rumors. Maybe a year, don’t remember. We can’t verify anything anyway, could be fake stories from Natostan. They love fiction because they always win there. But it’s true that Lavrov said something like that and also Putin. All easy to find on any news website. Long range missiles were used when Ukr kept receiving Russian planes from all over the planet, each week or month a few entered from Nato to shoot and run. On the way back the new long range record was set. They don’t have Russian planes anymore, on the plane, so why complain? I’m sure they have 10-20 kamikaze pilots for f16s and they could attack all at the same time. Then we’ll see what happens

Posted by: rk | Jan 26 2025 18:36 utc | 45

I don’t know what your source is for these hypothetical negotiations,
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2025 18:28 utc | 40

The sources are only western ones. And to read what liars are writing is bad for one’s mental health.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 18:40 utc | 46

ANON2022 Jan 26
Congratulations! You achieve my promotion as being the stoopid bitch of the day.
Continually, you nag about the slow advances of the R.U. forces against the most heavily fortified chain of industrialized and also multi-story built-up urban warfare agglomerations on planet earth.
Balderdash and Bullshit.
That chain of heavily developed defenses in urbanized, centralized agglomerations…somewhat akin to a more spread out Stalingrad in 1942…constitutes an immense and intense defense of territory which is massively ethnically Russian and the most industrially productive area in that Bolshevik Ukraine SSR descendant Maidan Coup regime’s most wealth-productive region…agriculturally…mineral-rich and ultimately urban industrialized scene.
The totally corrupt regime in Kiev has sold off those resources to such evil corporate entities as Blackrock; Monsanto and Cargill…along with similar European firms. Yes, the corrupt crew in Kiev has sold off their nation’s birthright for a mass of pottage…mere Kopeks on the Hernia.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:47 utc | 47

I post here on the subject of Ukraine and what Alexander Mercouris has stated today as ‘the simplest and easiest way to end the war.’ That is, to use ‘Istanbul Plus’ as the format, which Mercouris also says Trump supports as he is ‘eager to do a deal’.
On the basis of the Crooke article that b has posted on Week in Review, and also on statements by Putin, I would say there is an enormous legal hurdle which Mercouris has not addressed, but I hope Trump has also in mind: that is, that at present Zelensky is not the legitimate president of Ukraine.
That may seem like a quibble but it is not. From the very beginning of the conflict Putin has stressed that important decisions for the country can only be formalized after an election in which the people bestow leadership on one or another candidate for office, and Zelensky has outstayed his legitimacy according to the Ukrainian constitution. So, he can not be the decider on any issue. The original Istanbul agreement would have worked as he then was still operating within his term of office.
This consent of the people is an important issue for Putin. He gave a speech about it early in the conflict and observed protocol when the previous oblasts came into the Russian Federation. And it ought to be respected now, particularly when we have seen how earlier agreements were disrespected by the Ukrainian regime, even when its apparent observance of voting protocols could be questioned by the manner in which the regime came to power.
Alexander Mercouris’s posts are long, and I didn’t stay till the end. So, if he does discuss this issue, I hope someone will correct me here.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 26 2025 18:54 utc | 48

Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 16:42 utc | 23
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The IDF makes the American Navy look competent.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 18:55 utc | 49

@ Stine, §16:
The idea that Russia will be denied Odessa is absurd.
And that it would be denied Xarkov is even more absurd: look at a map.
Neither would be a loss to America.

Posted by: John Marks | Jan 26 2025 19:03 utc | 50

Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16
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Much of this is predicated on Americans not being backstabbers and liars.
Today, no one trusts America on any issue.
Not the Russians, not the Chinese, not the West Africans, not the Arabs.
Even if Trump was willing to swear on his family name (the thing he cares about), he cannot control the next President or even the next Congress.
Unless Trump has a gun to someone’s head (kinetic/financial leverage), no one is listening to him.
On the financial front, BRICS has undermined the dollar greatly, and that is accelerating as more and more countries devise alternative means to conduct international trade.
Trump has openly talked and continues to talk about annexing territory from ally nations. With friends like that…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 19:06 utc | 51

Dozens were killed in Gorlovka on multiple occasions just in the last week, and Donetsk was bombed multiple times by HIMARS missiles too.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 16:11 utc | 19
In an interview on a channel last week, reporter Patrick Lancaster was asked, “how is Donetsk today”. He replied “it has never been quieter; there are rarely any sounds of bombs dropping anymore.”And Lugansk, which you do not mention, is totally quiet these days.
I would believe someone who has actually been to Donetsk and spends much time there.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 19:21 utc | 52

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:31 utc | 43

How would you keep a flood of bogus votes from “refugees” in western countries out of the tally for each oblast on a referendum? After all, manufacturing votes is what US NGO’s do best.

Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 26 2025 19:21 utc | 53

Ukraine is not being rebuilt. Russia might decide to re-create something or other if they feel any need. Ukraine in ’91 had a population of 52 million. It may be as little as a quarter of that now. And will be much smaller shortly. There is no need for a big capital city like Kiev. Maintained now by siphoning off $$$ from US. Which end soon. The business of Odessa is and has been crime. They are doing great with arms sales and organ harvesting and slaves. That will all end. When Lemberg feels the breath of the Red Army, Galicia empties out too. No one will be left but elderly who were always ready to embrace Russia. As best they can before shuffling off the stage. Russia appropriates the resources and builds whatever it sees fit.
NATO does not want responsibility for a rural outdoor nursing home. The good soil and most of the minerals are in south and east.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 26 2025 19:25 utc | 54

Putin, telling the ordinary folk in the West – that their economic problems are not the fault of Russia’s but of their won governments making – how very true.
https://nitter.poast.org/Documark/status/1883428696603648401#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:32 utc | 55

The Neo-Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine – has planned a major false flag op – to be carried out soon.
“For the time being, the United States seems to be pulling the plug on the Neo-Nazi junta, as one of Trump’s first executive orders was the moratorium on foreign “aid” in the next three months. Thus, the “sudden event” that is supposed to revert this needs to be “truly groundbreaking”. Now, considering the history of the US-backed extremists running NATO-occupied Ukraine, this can only be something radical – more specifically chemical and nuclear terrorism. Namely, according to Vasily Prozorov, a former Ukrainian intelligence officer (specifically in the SBU, from 1999 to 2018, per some sources), the Kiev regime is planning to do exactly that.
Prozorov says that its special services, in close cooperation with their American overlords, are “working on mechanisms for organizing high-profile provocations [i.e. a false flag] with radioactive contamination of the area”. He further notes that “preparations for the operation have been going on for more than six months, and its implementation is scheduled for January-February 2025”.
The plan postulates that the Neo-Nazi junta intends to accuse Russia of “deliberately striking objects associated with radiation-hazardous production”. The most likely locations for the upcoming false flag operation are reportedly the Nikolayev Armored Plant and the “Radon” state corporation based in the Dnepropetrovsk oblast (region). The latter is tasked with radioactive waste disposal, making it particularly vulnerable to such attacks. Prozorov also warns that the Chernobyl NPP, as well as one of the enterprises in the Kharkov oblast could be next. He thinks that the goal is to “present Trump’s peace initiatives as untimely and inappropriate against the backdrop of Russia’s latest ‘atrocities’ and also to justify the need to provide itself with further military and financial assistance”.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:34 utc | 56

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:34 utc | 56
If true and if it will happen, Trump is so stupid that he will swallow it all. If he did not organise it himself.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 19:40 utc | 57

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:32 utc | 55
Of course for that liar, his country had nothing to do with the Nord-Stream. What a moron, who thinks others are more stupid than himself.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 19:42 utc | 58

Republicofscotland@1934 Jan 26 56
Thanks for washing this dirty laundry of a possible Ukrainian false flag. Broader the exposure, the less likely the event.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 19:54 utc | 59

“preparations for the operation have been going on for more than six months, and its implementation is scheduled for January-February 2025”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:34 utc | 56
Yuzhmash would, of course, be an ideal facility for preparing such an operation. Six months ago it was fully functional, its status today is fuzzy, to say the least.
So we could surmise that Russia got wind of this scheme and gave it some hazelnut topping…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 19:55 utc | 60

*** Trump has openly talked and continues to talk about annexing territory from ally nations. With friends like that…
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 19:06 utc | 51
The fixation is Canada and Greenland, whose strategic importance was a much higher priority when intercontinental nuclear attack on US soil was a consensus threat. As the thinking developed thereafter, consensus thinking was whoever deploys a nuclear weapon is the loser.
So the focus now on Canada as the 51st state and buying Greenland can only be because Trump is a narcissistic bloviator. It could not possibly have anything to do with a bunch of Kasakh mechanics fitting non-nuclear, ground penetrating hypersonic projectiles ontop of those Soviet vintage ICBM systems. Holy Hazelnut Batman!

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 26 2025 19:57 utc | 61

comrade simba@1921 Jan 26
“False Flag refugees” swarming in for the possible referendums. Well, that sure did not happen in Kherson, Zaparogia, Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea. They might try, but that could only work if no Russian troops were on the scene or nearby. My concept is that liberate first and THEN holding the referendum…with plenty of observers on the scene.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62
Of course, otherwise it will like with Moldavia.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 20:03 utc | 63

My concept is that liberate first and THEN holding the referendum…with plenty of observers on the scene.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62
And no mail-in ballots, or those dodgy voting machines that the US seems keen on…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 20:05 utc | 64

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 16:11 utc | 19
In an interview on a channel last week, reporter Patrick Lancaster was asked, “how is Donetsk today”. He replied “it has never been quieter; there are rarely any sounds of bombs dropping anymore.”And Lugansk, which you do not mention, is totally quiet these days.
I would believe someone who has actually been to Donetsk and spends much time there.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 19:21 utc | 52
Like u said earlier hermius the russian smo has been extremely succesful in preventing the indescrimanate attacks on donestk and luhansk. as they ukes have been pushed back further, the distance for roket attacks has increased, and many launchers destroyed. lets be frank, the initial trigger for the smo were the attacks on russian speakers in the east of ukraine.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Jan 26 2025 20:35 utc | 65

The smartest guy in the room, SmoothieX12 has some interesting content today. Here is the current state of the Kursk front.
“In total, during the hostilities in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 54,820 servicemen, 319 tanks, 237 infantry fighting vehicles, 183 armored personnel carriers, 1,622 armored combat vehicles, 1,629 vehicles, 389 artillery pieces, 44 multiple launch rhocket launchers,” the department said, adding that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost 13 US-made HIMARS and 6 MLRSs, 16 launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems, and 8 transport-loading vehicles.
The Ministry of Defense also reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost 100 electronic W.warfare stations, 14 counter-battery radars, 4 air defense radars, 32 units of engineering And other equipment. Of these, 13 engineering obstacle vehicles, a UR-77 demining Installation, as well as 9 armored repair and recovery vehicles and a command and staff vehicle.”
https://youtu.be/5U6QkFrrQNA?si=bqJ8jzAE21Oo8onC

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 26 2025 20:42 utc | 66

Posted by: James | Jan 26 2025 20:35 utc | 66
I’m getting a little worried here James. Florida Bob might have found the site here. He’s 34 years old, 300 lb, and has a strong affinity for cheetos. Outside of that he’s basically antisocial and generally toxic.
Anyways aside from pretending to be a sexy woman on the internet and asking for money, we’re pretty well all he has James. Florida Bob needs us. Have a heart man. Between the snakes, hot weather and hurricanes he barely gets outside.
I have met people that they’re only purpose in going online is to antagonize other people. To loudly state their truth and mock the people they look down upon. It’s kind of a mental illness in my view.
For a lot of people we would call progressives, they go on to Republican sites and troll the users there. So it’s not a behavior limited to one side or the other.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 26 2025 20:50 utc | 67

Something truly spiteful and evils going to occur before this conflict finishes.
And it’s going to be landed on Trump’s lap.
Courtesy of the previous administration.
You can sense it.

Posted by: jpc | Jan 26 2025 20:57 utc | 68

Again we see the usual NATO trolls spamming the thread.
I’ll patiently wait for you to melt away as the conflict eventually ends.
Can you feel it getting closer? 🙂
JB

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 26 2025 21:10 utc | 69

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62
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The West already doesn’t observe international law or treaties, of what value are “observers” whose reports are always discarded if the Empire doesn’t approve of the outcome?
Romania lost its elections due to “TikTok”.
It’s a clown show, and engaging in the circus will legitimize nothing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 21:14 utc | 70

https://www.flightradar24.com/CJT3003/38e0c32e
Cargojet Airways 767 from Washington to Rzeszow.
And a 747 has just left after arriving from Dover AFB.
https://www.flightradar24.com/CKS9339/38e20d16
Looks like US supplies are back after a few days hiatus.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 21:22 utc | 71

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 26 2025 21:10 utc | 70
They will not melt away, they will come again and again to say that Russia lost. And blah and blah…

Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 21:28 utc | 72

Like u said earlier hermius the russian smo has been extremely succesful in preventing the indescrimanate attacks on donestk and luhansk. as they ukes have been pushed back further, the distance for roket attacks has increased, and many launchers destroyed. lets be frank, the initial trigger for the smo were the attacks on russian speakers in the east of ukraine.
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Jan 26 2025 20:35 utc | 65

Everything you said is absolute nonsense.
1) Before the SMO started, the bulk of the civilian casualties in the L/DNR happened in 2014-15. After that the shelling settled down into a regular low-intensity mode. After the SMO started, it intensified tremendously, and became much more sophisticated as NATO PGMs started to be used. As a result thousands died in the last three years.
Again, Putin could have stopped it by enforcing deterrence against the Ukrainian leadership. And people actually expected him to do it. But he placed a firm explicit veto on targeting Ukrainian leadership (yes, we do know that).
Because, again, Ukrainian elites are more dear to the Russian elites than the plebs on either side.
Nothing symbolized that more forcefully than declaring “denazification” as a main goal of the SMO, then exchanging the whole of Azov caught in Mariupol for Medvedchuk, who just happens to be a close buddy of Putin. I think Putin is even his daughter’s godfather or something like that.
Compare that to how Stalin refused the Germans’ offer for a special exchange for his own son. A rather major difference, isn’t it?
2) The atrocities then quickly expanded to Kherson and the Zaporozhye, which had never been subjected to them previously.
Do you have an idea how many civilians have been blown up by HIMARS strikes and FPV attacks on their cars in those areas? Elderly people gathering at the administration office to pick up their pensions? They get a GMLRS strike, 10-15 people dead. Happened several times. People driving along the road, Ukronazis see their car, hit them with FPVs? That has happened more times than anyone can count. It is many hundreds of dead as a result of this at the very least (the stream of such news is never ending).
Putin’s reaction? None.
3) Then the area of complete lack of security expanded into the immediately adjacent officially Russian territory. The villages along the border became impossible to live in due to constant shelling. Already circa May 2022, once the “goodwill gestures” (otherwise known as grand treason) were made, the buffer zone that had been established disappeared, and the Russian border became the front line.
Putin’s reaction? None, once again.
4) Then NATO started doing missiles strikes on civilians in Russian cities too. The center of Belgorod being hit by NATO MLRS on New Year 2023 was the most brutal, but only the first of many such cases. Nobody can safely gather in large numbers there ever since. Not that even that makes you secure — the image of that mother and her baby in the stroller killed in the middle of an empty street by a NATO MLRS strike will always be remembered.
Putin’s reaction? Didn’t even bother to comment on it. Zakharova put out another sternly worded statement, and that was it.
5) Then we get the Kursk invasion eventually too.
Again, no reaction.
6) And now Russian cities deep in the interior are burning every night as a result of drone strikes.
This is a just a partial summary too, we can go on for much longer.
Anyway you look at it, the SMO has resulted in a catastrophic destruction of the security of the Russian state.
And it all traces back to the refusal to enforce deterrence, despite the abundance of military-technical means to do so.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:37 utc | 73

ANON2022 you say the only way for Putin to win this is for him to nuke Romania and/or Poland into nothing with the deaths of many millions.
If thats the only option, can you not see how Putin’s hands are actually tied?
Posted by: Night Tripper | Jan 26 2025 18:21 utc | 39

No, I cannot see it.
Does he have any other option?
How do you enforce deterrence and ensure Russian security?
There was another option early on — precision conventional strikes on the Western oligarchy. And it should have been used. However, given what has likely already been deployed in Europe and where, the option to not sterilize a good portions of the continent is likely no longer there.
Of course, it wasn’t used, because see above – the war started because the Russian oligarchy wanted to improve its negotiating position with respect to the division of the spoils from the Russian landmass. Their bluff was called, because of the fundamental weaknesses of their position (first, fighting a real war threatens their internal power, second, they see themselves as belonging to the global elite, not to Russia, thus will never dare strike at that global elite, no matter how many ordinary Russians die).

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:47 utc | 74

Before the SMO started, the bulk of the civilian casualties in the L/DNR happened in 2014-15. After that the shelling settled down into a regular low-intensity mode. After the SMO started, it intensified tremendously, and became much more sophisticated as NATO PGMs started to be used. As a result thousands died in the last three years.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:37 utc | 74
Incorrect. Please read the OSCE reports of the weeks leading upto the SMO. Attacks from ukraine across the line of contact increased 400%.
The shelling did decrease from 2015 after the Ukes were defeated in Debaltseve by the DPR forces.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 21:50 utc | 75

Posted by: ANON2022 | @ 74
The shelling of east ukraine has decreased immensely. Of that there is no doubt. Therefore, the SMO has been sucesful in defending the russian speakers living in those areas.

Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Jan 26 2025 21:52 utc | 76

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:47 utc | 75
err, if i remember rightly, the attacks on the civilians of donetsk and other places on east ukraine dropped because the minsk agreement came into effect, this was regularly broken by the ukraine side, i seem to remember one missile killing 25 civilians at the donestk market a few weeks before the special military operation and indeed was one of the factors in triggering the offensive.

Posted by: Fyador | Jan 26 2025 21:56 utc | 77

This is what winning the SMO at the end of its third year looks like. This is just from the last 12 hours.
Anyone can look at the map if they don’t know where some of those places are.
This is daily now, nearly 24/7 too.
https://t.me/rezervsvo/91448

🔴ATTENTION:
Kursk and the region – missile danger IMMEDIATELY TAKE SECURITY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91461

🔴ATTENTION :
🗣Crimea and Sevastopol – missile danger from RSChS!
SECURITY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91462

🔴ATTENTION :
Oryol Region – Missile Alert!
SECURITY MEASURES

Again a little later:
https://t.me/rezervsvo/91475

🔴ATTENTION:
Kursk and the region – missile danger IMMEDIATELY TAKE SECURITY MEASURES

And again:
https://t.me/rezervsvo/91483

Sumy region – launch of enemy missiles towards Kursk region!

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91506

🔴ATTENTION :
Saratov region – attention to UAVs from Voronezh region!
SECURITY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91510

🔴ATTENTION :
Tula, Ryazan, Oryol regions – yellow level of danger for UAVs!
SAFETY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91513

🔴ATTENTION :
Volgograd region – UAV danger from Voronezh region!
SECURITY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91516

🔴ATTENTION :
Rostov region – UAV danger! Possible overflights from the LPR.
SECURITY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91518

🔴ATTENTION :
Voronezh Region – several enemy UAV groups in your direction!
SECURITY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91523

🔴ATTENTION :
Saratov region south – danger from UAV!
SECURITY MEASURES

https://t.me/rezervsvo/91527

🔴ATTENTION :
Penza region, Ulyanovsk, Tatarstan – danger from UAV!
SAFETY MEASURES

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:59 utc | 78

And now Russian cities deep in the interior are burning every night as a result of drone strikes.

ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:37 utc | 74
[citation needed]
It is a consistent feature of your grandiose, even flamboyant, claims that you never ever provide external primary sources.
Whereas I can make a claim about Ukraine’s continued internal rot and decay:

In Naftogaz “disappeared” 48 billion UAH, paid for transit: the media is associated with the resignation of Chernyshev
The Ukrainian GTS operator paid about UAH 48 billion to Naftogaz over the past year. However, it is not clear where this money is now, because Naftogaz did not reflect it in its income
This is reported by RegioNews with reference to Glavkom .
According to the publication, in mid-January, a meeting of the Temporary Investigative Commission of the Verkhovna Rada was held to investigate violations of the law in the formation of prices and tariffs in the energy and utilities sectors.
According to the head of the VSK, People’s Deputy Alexey Kucherenko, during 2020-2024, the Operator of the gas transportation system of Ukraine paid Naftogaz about 30% of all revenue from transit. Over five years, this amounted to about UAH 48 billion. Ole these funds were not reflected in the income and profits of Naftogaz .
As noted in the publication, the audit reports of Naftogaz’s financial statements for 2020 show that the gas monopoly received almost all of UAH 48 billion during 2020 alone as compensation for allegedly lost revenues of Naftogaz for previous years. From the audit report of the GTS Operator for 2020, it becomes known that the company was obliged to pay UAH 9.6 billion annually from its own revenues for Naftogaz during 2020-2024 (for 5 years – UAH 48 billion), because this was established by regulatory acts of the National Energy Regulatory Commission.
“VSK was suspicious of the fact that a year before the appearance of the mentioned audit reports, that is, in 2019, during public discussions of gas transit tariffs conducted by the state regulator, there was no mention of the need to pay UAH 9.6 billion annually for Naftogaz,” the article says.
Now the VSK is trying to find out from the NCREC why it became necessary to pay Naftogaz the specified amounts. The publication also notes that the International Monetary Fund in 2021 noted the illegality of transferring such a huge amount – UAH 48 billion-by the GTS Operator to the accounts of Naftogaz. In a memorandum with the IMF dated November 8, 2021, the Ukrainian side assumed obligations to stop such payments to the GTS Operator Naftogaz. But this commitment was not fulfilled. It is also noted that Naftogaz did not include these funds in its income, which was revealed in the company’s audit reports.
The deputies are convinced that these large-scale abuses occurred due to gross violations of the law by the state regulator-the National Energy Regulatory Commission.
“It is also strange that in December 2024, the head of NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine left his post for the first time in the entire history of independent Ukraine. Alexey Chernyshev exchanged the state’s oil and gas business, which has always been a fierce battle between various groups of influence in power, for a new obscure position in the government – he became the Minister of unity. This transition occurred at the height of the heating season. It seems that the top manager simply did not want to be responsible for the decisions of his predecessors,” the author of the article suggests.
According to the head of the VSK, MP Oleksiy Kucherenko ,” if the regulator had not given almost UAH 50 billion to Naftogaz, then today there would have been no talk of any tariff increase for the GTS Operator at all.”
Recall that Alexey Chernyshev’s tenure as head of Naftogaz and head of the Ministry of Regional Development was accompanied by a number of high-profile scandals. “Ukrainska Pravda” published an investigation in which it published evidence that the NABU received a search warrant for the head of NJSC “Naftogaz of Ukraine” and former Minister of Community Development and Territory Alexey Chernyshev, but the detectives did not conduct it at the request of the NABU Director Semyon Krivonos.
Earlier it was also reported that the NABU conducted a series of searches of officials associated with the former head of Naftogaz, Alexey Chernyshev, in the case of corruption in the Ministry of Regional Development. In particular, investigations were conducted at the premises of Vasyl Volodin, a member of the Management Board of NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine, and Maksym Horbatiuk, Director for Commercial Affairs of JSC Ukrgasvydobuvannya.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/economics/1737894602-u-naftogazi-znikli-48-mlrd-grn-splacheni-za-tranzit-zmi-pov-yazuyut-z-tsim-vidstavku-chernishova (via translation add-on.)
Therefore, your posts remain as nothing more than unsubstantiated Russophobic propaganda.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:00 utc | 79

Interesting to note that USAF C-17’s that were detailed to transporting ammo to Poland for transfer by road and rail to Ukronazi forces, are now transporting illegal aliens back to swampville.
The Biden-Blinkensky-Nulandovic graft pipeline is now over………..Volo will be gone in days, either to the cemetery or to his condos in Haifa or Nassau……
Trump detests Volo and the Vindman brothers……………………..just say goodbye!!

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 26 2025 22:00 utc | 80

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:59 utc | 79
Those are air raid alerts, and do not contain any confirmed information about actual destruction.
Must try harder…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:03 utc | 81

The shelling of east ukraine has decreased immensely. Of that there is no doubt. Therefore, the SMO has been sucesful in defending the russian speakers living in those areas.
Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Jan 26 2025 21:52 utc | 77

Well, if people want to deny reality so blatantly, I don’t know what to say.
First, what good does any decrease in shelling do to you if the sky is swarming with drones?
Look at videos from near the front lines — civilians have to hide deep inside buildings because the Ukronazi drones are hunting for them 24/7. Watch carefully:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cSMWdn_fzg&ab_channel=%D0%9B%D1%8B%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9
Second, what good does it do to you if Donetsk is a bit safe than it used to be when Kazan and everything in between is reached by drones every night? This means the security of the state has been compromised catastrophically.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:04 utc | 82

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:59 utc | 79
Oh yeah, and now do Ukraine’s air raid alerts, though you might have some difficulty as the sirens and broadcasts often don’t sound until something has already gone boom!

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:06 utc | 83

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:04 utc | 83
Give it up already, you’re a closet Russophobe and your camouflage is slipping.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:09 utc | 84

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 21:22 utc | 72
That’s approx 150 metric tonnes of cargo, or enough to sustain a Ukrainian brigade at 75% strength, not in combat, for a day. Modern units consume huge amounts of supplies simply to exist as effective combat units, when they fight those rates increase massively, with ammunition (especially artillery) making up to 80% of the supply requirement.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 22:10 utc | 85

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:04 utc | 83
If Russia does what you suggest to do, it will become much worse for those cities that burn every night.
On the other hand, I understand you somewhat. This middle ground is slowly normalizing a state of constant fear of an UAV landing in your head or place of work. The Russian people can tolerate it up to a point. The state is also eating into its legitimacy by black-holing these events.
Exactly the effect that Ukraine and NATO want to achieve. It is also I think the card that Trump will play.
The new winds of realpolitik in the world may actually make the calculations more in favour of your solution. Because getting the US involved in a war with Russia, even a conventional one, may not be in US interests. So they may not be keen on escalating and gambling on Article 4 stuff.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 26 2025 22:21 utc | 86

And now Russian cities deep in the interior are burning every night as a result of drone strikes.

ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:37 utc | 74
[citation needed]
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:00 utc | 80

Follow the news from Russia, not from Mercouris and Maryanov.

Those are air raid alerts, and do not contain any confirmed information about actual destruction.
Must try harder…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:03 utc | 82

Ah yeah, every single drone of the hundreds launched is shot down. Sure. And none of these happened:
Yesterday:
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54325

Glow from the fire at the Ryazan Oil Refinery

The day before (it had already been hit):
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54282

The fire at the oil refinery in Ryazan has not yet been extinguished

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54267

In Bryansk, during a night drone attack, the Silicon plant was hit

January 23:
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54261

Fire at oil refinery in Ryazan accompanied by explosions

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54257

Eyewitnesses say the fire at the Novo-Ryazan Thermal Power Plant is accompanied by explosions

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54249

“They hit the house, the house is on fire. Half of the house was demolished”
In Ryazan, a building is on fire after a drone attack

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54247

Another target of the UAV attack on Ryazan was the Dyagilevo military airfield

January 21
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54205

Footage of drone attack on tower in Smolensk at night appears

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54204

Extinguishing a fire at an oil depot in Liski, which has been attacked twice by UAVs in recent times

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54185

Fire at the Smolensk aircraft plant

January 19:
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54149

Footage of the moment of the UAV attack in Kazan has emerged. According to preliminary data, the explosion occurred in the area of ​​the Kazan Gorbunov Aviation Plant

January 18:
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54130

Near the Dedilovo station, the strike hit the Rosrezerv fuel tanks

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54128

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54128

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54118

UAVs attack oil depot in Lyudinovo, Kaluga Region. There is a big fire there

January 15
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54066

Several drones hit the oil depot in Liski. There is a big fire there.

January 14
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54058

The fire at the oil depot in Engels, Saratov Region, continues and has not been extinguished.
Yesterday, the Saratov Region authorities introduced an “inter-municipal emergency regime” due to the fire. Earlier, the base was attacked by UAVs.

January 13:
https://t.me/vchkogpu/54005

UAVs Attack Orgsintez Plant in Kazan. There Is a Big Fire There

https://t.me/vchkogpu/54000

“There are a lot of them flying towards the city.”
Footage of a drone attack on an oil depot in Engels

January 12
https://t.me/vchkogpu/53989

The moment of the strike on the chemical plant in the city of Seltso in the Bryansk region

That was an ATACMS strike, BTW, not even a drone.
https://t.me/vchkogpu/53936

According to sources of the Cheka-OGPU, during the UAV attack on the oil depot in Engels, three tanks of 120,000 cubic meters each were completely destroyed by fire and six reserves were seriously damaged. The tank farm, which stored fuel for the military airfield, about 800,000 tons of fuel, was put out of action.
Currently, the Russian Emergencies Ministry has an acute shortage of foaming agent for extinguishing burning oil and fuel. Firefighters are now forced, as they say, to accompany fires at oil depots and monitor the fuel burnout.

January 11
https://t.me/vchkogpu/53915

Two residential buildings were damaged as a result of a drone attack on Kotovsk. According to preliminary data, two men and a woman were injured.

Is that enough?

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:23 utc | 87

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:23 utc | 88
Now do Ukraine…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:28 utc | 88

John Marks wrote: “The idea that Russia will be denied Odessa is absurd.”
If that is so, then why did Putin say this? “I cannot but agree with him [Trump] that if he had been president, if his victory hadn’t been stolen in 2020, then perhaps the crisis that occurred in Ukraine in 2022 would not have happened.”
To me, that statement by Putin (regardless of its truth or falsity or sincerity) indicates that Putin may be amenable to doing a peace deal with Trump.
If Putin were bound and determined to take Odessa, then why would he be saying such nice things about Trump, who is loudly bellowing to one and all that an immediate peace deal is needed?
I realize that many people on this list, and many hardliners in Russia, would be terribly disappointed if Russia does not take Odessa and does not insist on removing all Banderites from central and western Ukraine. But I myself do not see the overly-cautious Putin himself as taking that hard line. Do you? My guess is that you are saying what you want Putin to do, rather than what you think Putin will actually do. Seems to me that, for better or worse, Putin may be open to making a quick deal.

Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 22:28 utc | 89

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:04 utc | 83
If Russia does what you suggest to do, it will become much worse for those cities that burn every night.
Posted by: alek_a | Jan 26 2025 22:21 utc | 87

It will become worse how?
Is any one bombing European and American cities daily? No.
Why?
If it is because they know and fear the response, then what I (and many Russians) am asking for is the correct way to go — enforce deterrence by the application of overwhelming force.
If it is because just nobody thought about it, and if it is actually done, NATO governments will normalize it just the way the Kremlin has, then the Kremlin has no excuse for not doing it already in a tit-for-tat manner.
The proxy war started with the rules being that the rears of the two sides — that is, NATO in Europe, and official Russian territory — are untouchable.
Now the Russian rear is attacked 24/7, but the NATO rear is still untouchable.
Which means the rules changed and the Kremlin agreed to it.
That is again grand treason…

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:30 utc | 90

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:23 utc | 88
Now do Ukraine…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:28 utc | 89

No, do Europe and the US, where there are zero such strikes.
This is a war between the West and Russia, Ukraine is a hostage.
Ukraine is disposable for the West. What gets hit there does not matter. Worse, Ukraine is core Russian territory for Russia, thus the destruction in Ukraine is destruction on Russia too, that Russia is causing itself with its own weapons.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:33 utc | 91

It’s not worth responding to Shadowbanned2022 and his little helpers.
Still, progress along the line, 4km to go to the Dnipro border, although Chasov Yar is still sticky.
What Trump will do we don’t know. But we do know that as of now he’s not cutting supplies or ISR.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 22:33 utc | 92

Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:30 utc | 91
If you are really Russian then you are the one committing treason.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:34 utc | 93

Low cost offensive precision weapons, like drones, cause disproportionate damage to the more developed side, since it has more meaningful targets versus high-cost precision weapons, like cruse missiles, do to something in 404.
This allows for cheap media victories as well, since a burning refinery is spectacular, but a fourhundredth AFU storage facility or workshop being tapped is an invisible “brutal crime against civilians”.

Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 22:34 utc | 94

It looks like sob is back. Always the same pattern. The same anti-Russian stance.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 22:37 utc | 95

@ Naive | Jan 26 2025 22:37 utc | 96
If so, they got lazier, used to bring up their own news sources (however nitpicky), now merely reacting to others.

Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 22:40 utc | 96

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 22:33 utc | 93

It’s not worth responding to Shadowbanned2022 and his little helpers.
Still, progress along the line, 4km to go to the Dnipro border, although Chasov Yar is still sticky.

Dunno, might be morbidly interesting to watch a complete nervous breakdown take place in real time.
As for progress, unconfirmed reports seem to be circulating about the AFU loss of Toretsk, nothing official yet.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:43 utc | 97

Columbo voice[on]
Just one more thing before I go, Mr ANON2022, how do you have the stamina to post at all hours around the 24hr clock? There was once a poster with the username @sh*d*wb*mnn*d who could manage the same kind of feat…
Columbo voice[off]

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:53 utc | 98

Russia can either take a deal or…keep taking Storm Shadows up the arse!!!

Posted by: America Is Winning | Jan 26 2025 23:04 utc | 99

Between the fleas complete and utter bull shit and wishful thinking by others, there’s no sense in trying to sift through this tread for anything usable. So, mark ne up for the fleas. Fortunately, there’re many other sites with genuine information that have no fleas.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 26 2025 23:08 utc | 100