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January 26, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-017
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Calling the Z Man .. what ya gonna do? Posted by: Carrion | Jan 26 2025 13:41 utc | 1 I’m reposting from the other thread. Some actual F-16 news. In addition to 22.01.25 report:
We got another update yesterday:
To summarize, risk-reward of using their shiny not-so-new jets continues to stifle their tactical (let alone operational) use. Now that AFU built enough courage to actually fly them in a general detection of the enemy, they might even try firing a missile in a month or two. Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 13:58 utc | 2
Remember how Lavrov ran his mouth that F-16 will be treated as nuclear carriers? Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 14:06 utc | 3 Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 13:58 utc | 2 Posted by: Carrion | Jan 26 2025 14:12 utc | 4 Nearly two weeks since Ukraine fired ATACMS into Russia and there are rumours emanating from the US that the targeting and operating cells, who operate these systems, might be prosecuted by the new administration, as the US is not at war with Russia. Perhaps Biden’s pardon bonanza should have included more people. Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 14:29 utc | 5 Ukraine Weekly Update, 24th January 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-0bc Posted by: The Busker | Jan 26 2025 14:49 utc | 6 Milites@5……probing flight costs are outweighed by identifying and destroying Russian AD assets…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 14:50 utc | 7
Russian AD against planes have been MIA for most of the war. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:20 utc | 8
Then you have not been paying attention. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:25 utc | 9 Posted by: Carrion | Jan 26 2025 14:12 utc | 4 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 15:33 utc | 10 And it is a free-for-all for everybody to come and kill Russians, safe in the knowledge that the Kremlin will not lift a finger to protect its people. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 15:44 utc | 12 Funny how a delay in delivery of funds to Ukraine will not be resulting in a Presidential impeachment this time around. Posted by: frithguild | Jan 26 2025 15:48 utc | 13
Incredible success. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:54 utc | 14 Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 13:58 utc | 2 Posted by: pepe | Jan 26 2025 15:56 utc | 15 Despite the hopeless situation on the battlefield for Ukraine, Donald Trump nevertheless has substantial leverage to get a quick end to the war. All of the following are greatly desired by Putin, and would cost the USA nothing in terms of material loss: Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16 https://t.me/RVvoenkor/85149 Posted by: guest | Jan 26 2025 16:06 utc | 17 HERMIUS@12…..it is well known as per the Bentley updates during that time that Russia restricted the (fucking restraint again) LDPR from retaliating against the Ukraine….they didn’t want to upset their partners…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 16:10 utc | 18
Dozens were killed in Gorlovka on multiple occasions just in the last week, and Donetsk was bombed multiple times by HIMARS missiles too. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 16:11 utc | 19 Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 16:16 utc | 20
Well, that is the fear, isn’t it?
And that written pledge is worth what?
Which leaves the Nazis consolidated in possession of the rest. That would be as if Hitler stopped the war in late 1941, Stalin agreed on the new border, and that is where it remained permanently. Would that have been a catastrophic strategic defeat for Moscow? You bet. So it will be now.
Haven’t we been hearing how good the sanctions have been for the Russian economy? Well, it automatically follows that lifting them would be bad for Russia, doesn’t it?
Good luck with that, as much of those funds have already been spent.
See point 2) above
Doesn’t solve the Banderite problem.
See above — that is a total strategic defeat
See my point above about Russia being a petrostate. The US did Russia a great favor by blowing up the pipelines. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 16:19 utc | 21 With Ansarallah laughing at Trump’s sanctions on them and his inability to stop Ukraine, the message to the Global South is weakness. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 16:23 utc | 22 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 14:50 utc | 7 Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 16:42 utc | 23 I wish SB2020 would start his own blog/substack for those who like that sort of thing, instead of clogging up the threads here. But that would mean his mission was to inform rather than to disrupt. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 16:49 utc | 24 Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 26 2025 16:54 utc | 25 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 15:20 utc | 8 Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 16:57 utc | 26 @17 Posted by: paddy | Jan 26 2025 17:05 utc | 27 Aerospace vehicles have no service life hour limits outside the west where proper maintenance is not used bc new vehicles pay better dividends… Posted by: paddy | Jan 26 2025 17:14 utc | 28 “Funny how a delay in delivery of funds to Ukraine will not be resulting in a Presidential impeachment this time around. Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16 Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 17:17 utc | 30 ….remember all that cheering when Russia scored that long range kill, way back when, with their game changing weapon, looks like that game changed….wonder why …maybe it was propaganda from day one. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 26 2025 17:43 utc | 31 An F16 doing anything other than sending a missile into Russia proper territory is a nothing burger. They can fly around and go whee! all they want but for SMO purposes they’re just pesky mosquitoes. Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 26 2025 18:01 utc | 32 Anon2022@1619 Jan 26 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:02 utc | 33 Now if an F16 sends a missile into Russia proper my money says the airstrip is took off from will be obliterated. Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 26 2025 18:03 utc | 34 ANON2022@1611 Jan 26 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:06 utc | 35 HB_Norica@31….. Lavrov’s on record, F16 nuke capable, big doo doo……. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2025 18:06 utc | 36 The Oreshnik will soon be placed in Belarus. That’s interesting and the poles must be very nervous indeed. Posted by: pepe | Jan 26 2025 18:09 utc | 37 guest@1606 Jan 26 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:19 utc | 38 ANON2022 you say the only way for Putin to win this is for him to nuke Romania and/or Poland into nothing with the deaths of many millions. Posted by: Night Tripper | Jan 26 2025 18:21 utc | 39 Posted by: guest | Jan 26 2025 16:06 utc | 17 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2025 18:28 utc | 40
My take is different. I see it as milk runs for some brass’ daughters. The SMO has already already been internalized as a success an everybody wants to be a father (and mother) of the victory. So, when there is a chance to skate, some daughters of some AF generals are allowed to participate in actual fighting, because this means that they will be set for life as really-real fighting heroes and so their bright future is all but quaranreed. Posted by: Rutte | Jan 26 2025 18:29 utc | 41 Soon it will be obvious that Trump will be worse than Biden’s team. (Biden does not count as he is demented by the Alzheimer disease [and Parkinson].) Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 18:30 utc | 42 Stine@1604 Jan 26 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:31 utc | 43 Posted by: Rutte | Jan 26 2025 18:29 utc | 41 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2025 18:34 utc | 44 Perhaps the Russians don’t see these F-16 as enough of a threat to worry about. Posted by: rk | Jan 26 2025 18:36 utc | 45 I don’t know what your source is for these hypothetical negotiations, Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 18:40 utc | 46 ANON2022 Jan 26 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 18:47 utc | 47 I post here on the subject of Ukraine and what Alexander Mercouris has stated today as ‘the simplest and easiest way to end the war.’ That is, to use ‘Istanbul Plus’ as the format, which Mercouris also says Trump supports as he is ‘eager to do a deal’. Posted by: juliania | Jan 26 2025 18:54 utc | 48 Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 16:42 utc | 23 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 18:55 utc | 49 @ Stine, §16: Posted by: John Marks | Jan 26 2025 19:03 utc | 50 Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 16:04 utc | 16 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 19:06 utc | 51 Dozens were killed in Gorlovka on multiple occasions just in the last week, and Donetsk was bombed multiple times by HIMARS missiles too. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 19:21 utc | 52
How would you keep a flood of bogus votes from “refugees” in western countries out of the tally for each oblast on a referendum? After all, manufacturing votes is what US NGO’s do best. Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 26 2025 19:21 utc | 53 Ukraine is not being rebuilt. Russia might decide to re-create something or other if they feel any need. Ukraine in ’91 had a population of 52 million. It may be as little as a quarter of that now. And will be much smaller shortly. There is no need for a big capital city like Kiev. Maintained now by siphoning off $$$ from US. Which end soon. The business of Odessa is and has been crime. They are doing great with arms sales and organ harvesting and slaves. That will all end. When Lemberg feels the breath of the Red Army, Galicia empties out too. No one will be left but elderly who were always ready to embrace Russia. As best they can before shuffling off the stage. Russia appropriates the resources and builds whatever it sees fit. Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 26 2025 19:25 utc | 54 Putin, telling the ordinary folk in the West – that their economic problems are not the fault of Russia’s but of their won governments making – how very true. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:32 utc | 55 The Neo-Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine – has planned a major false flag op – to be carried out soon. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:34 utc | 56 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:34 utc | 56 Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 19:40 utc | 57 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:32 utc | 55 Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 19:42 utc | 58 Republicofscotland@1934 Jan 26 56 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 19:54 utc | 59
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 26 2025 19:34 utc | 56 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 19:55 utc | 60 *** Trump has openly talked and continues to talk about annexing territory from ally nations. With friends like that… Posted by: frithguild | Jan 26 2025 19:57 utc | 61 comrade simba@1921 Jan 26 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62 Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 20:03 utc | 63
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 20:05 utc | 64 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 16:11 utc | 19 Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Jan 26 2025 20:35 utc | 65 The smartest guy in the room, SmoothieX12 has some interesting content today. Here is the current state of the Kursk front. Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 26 2025 20:42 utc | 66 Posted by: James | Jan 26 2025 20:35 utc | 66 Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 26 2025 20:50 utc | 67 Something truly spiteful and evils going to occur before this conflict finishes. Posted by: jpc | Jan 26 2025 20:57 utc | 68 Again we see the usual NATO trolls spamming the thread. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 26 2025 21:10 utc | 69 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 26 2025 20:01 utc | 62 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2025 21:14 utc | 70 https://www.flightradar24.com/CJT3003/38e0c32e Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 21:22 utc | 71 Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 26 2025 21:10 utc | 70 Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 21:28 utc | 72
Everything you said is absolute nonsense. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:37 utc | 73
No, I cannot see it. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:47 utc | 74 Before the SMO started, the bulk of the civilian casualties in the L/DNR happened in 2014-15. After that the shelling settled down into a regular low-intensity mode. After the SMO started, it intensified tremendously, and became much more sophisticated as NATO PGMs started to be used. As a result thousands died in the last three years. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 26 2025 21:50 utc | 75 Posted by: ANON2022 | @ 74 Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Jan 26 2025 21:52 utc | 76 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:47 utc | 75 Posted by: Fyador | Jan 26 2025 21:56 utc | 77 This is what winning the SMO at the end of its third year looks like. This is just from the last 12 hours.
Again a little later:
And again:
Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:59 utc | 78
ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:37 utc | 74
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/economics/1737894602-u-naftogazi-znikli-48-mlrd-grn-splacheni-za-tranzit-zmi-pov-yazuyut-z-tsim-vidstavku-chernishova (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:00 utc | 79 Interesting to note that USAF C-17’s that were detailed to transporting ammo to Poland for transfer by road and rail to Ukronazi forces, are now transporting illegal aliens back to swampville. Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 26 2025 22:00 utc | 80 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:59 utc | 79 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:03 utc | 81
Well, if people want to deny reality so blatantly, I don’t know what to say. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:04 utc | 82 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 21:59 utc | 79 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:06 utc | 83 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:04 utc | 83 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:09 utc | 84 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 21:22 utc | 72 Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2025 22:10 utc | 85 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:04 utc | 83 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 26 2025 22:21 utc | 86
Follow the news from Russia, not from Mercouris and Maryanov.
Ah yeah, every single drone of the hundreds launched is shot down. Sure. And none of these happened:
The day before (it had already been hit):
January 23:
January 21
January 19:
January 18:
January 15
January 14
January 13:
January 12
That was an ATACMS strike, BTW, not even a drone.
January 11
Is that enough? Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:23 utc | 87 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:23 utc | 88 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:28 utc | 88 John Marks wrote: “The idea that Russia will be denied Odessa is absurd.” Posted by: Stine | Jan 26 2025 22:28 utc | 89
It will become worse how? Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:30 utc | 90
No, do Europe and the US, where there are zero such strikes. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:33 utc | 91 It’s not worth responding to Shadowbanned2022 and his little helpers. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 22:33 utc | 92 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 26 2025 22:30 utc | 91 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:34 utc | 93 Low cost offensive precision weapons, like drones, cause disproportionate damage to the more developed side, since it has more meaningful targets versus high-cost precision weapons, like cruse missiles, do to something in 404. Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 22:34 utc | 94 It looks like sob is back. Always the same pattern. The same anti-Russian stance. Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2025 22:37 utc | 95 @ Naive | Jan 26 2025 22:37 utc | 96 Posted by: boneless | Jan 26 2025 22:40 utc | 96 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 26 2025 22:33 utc | 93
Dunno, might be morbidly interesting to watch a complete nervous breakdown take place in real time. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:43 utc | 97 Columbo voice[on] Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 26 2025 22:53 utc | 98 Russia can either take a deal or…keep taking Storm Shadows up the arse!!! Posted by: America Is Winning | Jan 26 2025 23:04 utc | 99 |
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