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January 16, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-011
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Looks like Whitehall has finally set a time line for the total defeat of Russia……100years. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 16 2025 14:55 utc | 1 Not a thousand year reich but z is still aiming for a century. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 15:13 utc | 2 One wonders if there’s some kind of logical thinking or even endgame in the echelons of US governance. Dispel any of those with this end of regime interview with arguably one of the dumbest/evil people ever to inhabit their office. Posted by: motorslug | Jan 16 2025 15:23 utc | 3 Posted by: motorslug | Jan 16 2025 15:23 utc | 3 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 16 2025 15:31 utc | 4 Posted by: motorslug | Jan 16 2025 15:23 utc | 3 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 16 2025 15:33 utc | 5 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 16 2025 15:33 utc | 5 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 16 2025 15:41 utc | 6 I have a bad feeling Trump will do a Ukraine surge. You know after the great successes of the Iraqi and Afghan surges. It’s not a great strategy but is the sort of thing that politicians do. Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 16 2025 15:43 utc | 7 I have a bad feeling Trump will do a Ukraine surge. You know after the great successes of the Iraqi and Afghan surges. It’s not a great strategy but is the sort of thing that politicians do. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 15:58 utc | 8 Looks like Whitehall has finally set a time line for the total defeat of Russia……100years. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 16 2025 16:01 utc | 9 Hellooooo everyone! I never get to post here ,and it’s always treat! Well maybe not for you…… Posted by: Chevrus | Jan 16 2025 16:18 utc | 10 DJT detests Sir Keir………he believes that Sir Keir intervened in the US elections to boost fellow socialist Kamyhoe……. Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 16 2025 16:25 utc | 11 The lifting of sanctions again touched on. To recap, in his June 2024 speech to the Foreign Office Putin made the lifting of all sanctions a pre-condition of a settlement, that condition repeated by Lavrov in his Newsweek interview. Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 16 2025 16:34 utc | 12 Should have thanked Karlof1 for the Medvedev reference and do so here. Also should have stated that I picked up on that extraordinary Ben Wallace article from Mercouris. Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 16 2025 16:47 utc | 13 #13 Posted by: schmoe | Jan 16 2025 16:48 utc | 14 Anonymous @ 7
Trump was selected to clean up Biden’s mess, but not in a way we are hoping for. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2025 17:03 utc | 15 Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 16 2025 15:43 utc | 7 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 16 2025 17:08 utc | 16 . . .from The War Zone, Jan 15 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 17:10 utc | 17 Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 16 2025 16:34 utc | 13 Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 16 2025 17:13 utc | 18 The British Attack on the Skripals Didn’t Kill Them…(& podcast) Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 16 2025 17:29 utc | 19 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 17:10 utc | 18 Posted by: bored | Jan 16 2025 17:31 utc | 20 Urban Fox@10…. excitement? Get lost (that’s me being polite) I pointed out Russia couldn’t fucking win a piss up in a brothel. They left the enemies, or do you buy the brother Slav bull shit, major fuel storage facilities intact, for almost three years…..meanwhile, new Bacon report suggests Russia took one on the chin last night, not a pin, or a prick, in sight. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 16 2025 17:40 utc | 21 A surge of ones and zeroes? Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 17:40 utc | 22 German support of Ukraine Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 18:04 utc | 23 @14 English Outsider. If major European governments and the EU maintain sanctions on Russia after Trump ends them , then I reckon that would hugely benefit the AfD and BSW (anti war parties) in Germany right before the election. People would see their lives going down the drain for a completely discredited position i.e. irrelevant sanctions if America is trading with Russia. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 16 2025 18:04 utc | 24 Wow. Nato trolls in desperate ‘carpet bullshitting’ mode tonight. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 16 2025 18:10 utc | 25 Max Blumenthal tells it like it is to Blinken the butcher Posted by: Mary | Jan 16 2025 18:16 utc | 26 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 17:10 utc | 17 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 16 2025 18:17 utc | 27 I have a bad feeling Trump will do a Ukraine surge. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 16 2025 18:22 utc | 28 As milites will probably miss the last thread, I’ll repost it here, particularly because in the mean time I found a first exchange of POW in june 2022, 144 RF soldiers that, with an acquisition cost of 1.250 AFU (terminal, KIA or maimed) casualties, would amount to 180.000 somewhere end of may or slightly later. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 18:23 utc | 30 Russia’s entire active duty tank force has been destroyed in its war with Ukraine. Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 18:26 utc | 31 @ Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 18:26 utc | 31 Posted by: boneless | Jan 16 2025 18:36 utc | 32 Thank you for the information that Medvedev, as Russian president, made a gift of the Barents Sea to Norway. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 16 2025 18:38 utc | 33 Oh yeah, I almost missed the “shoulder-fired anti-armor weapons” part. Ha. Truly quality journalism. Posted by: boneless | Jan 16 2025 18:39 utc | 34 Posted by: Chevrus | Jan 16 2025 16:18 utc | 10 Posted by: Tim | Jan 16 2025 18:40 utc | 35 excitement? Get lost (that’s me being polite) I pointed out Russia couldn’t fucking win a piss up in a brothel. They left the enemies, or do you buy the brother Slav bull shit, major fuel storage facilities intact, for almost three years…..meanwhile, new Bacon report suggests Russia took one on the chin last night, not a pin, or a prick, in sight. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 16 2025 18:45 utc | 36 Haha, the quality sources are coming out, like “warriormaven” and “thewarzone”. Finally some yankee who can explain for the umpteenth time how Russia is losing, but this time for realz!! Posted by: Roland | Jan 16 2025 18:48 utc | 37
Some suggestions: Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 18:56 utc | 38 Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 16 2025 16:34 utc | 12 Posted by: Hunsdon | Jan 16 2025 19:00 utc | 39 @38 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 16 2025 19:16 utc | 40 How about instead of trying to steal attention. Go find yer lucky charms. Posted by: Bearish Panda | Jan 16 2025 19:19 utc | 41
This is absolute bollocks. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 19:19 utc | 42 Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 16 2025 17:29 utc | 19 Posted by: Naive | Jan 16 2025 19:21 utc | 43
You have no idea what you are talking about. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 19:33 utc | 44 Posted by: boneless | Jan 16 2025 18:36 utc | 32 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 16 2025 19:34 utc | 45 “Plus look how Trump did not get the USA out of Syria or Afghanistan. Just passed the baby.” ANON2022 doing a very good job in his uniquely prolific, breathless and ideologically commited way demonstrating the dipshit perspective in DC , as exemplified by that utter moron Jake the Snake Sullivan. In fact you’re channeling him so well that…is that you, Jake? Show me on the doll where the Putin touched you. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 16 2025 19:45 utc | 47 In the recurring Title Fights with Brutus, the USA, trying to pummel smaller Foreign “enemies” sometimes with assistance, sometimes via Proxy, Trump, the new Captain Blunderbuss, is eying smaller “friendly countries” who naively believed Americans kept their word. Posted by: kupkee | Jan 16 2025 19:46 utc | 48
Ukraine might be losing, but that doesn’t mean that NATO is, and it absolutely does not mean Russia is winning. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 19:51 utc | 49 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 19:33 utc | 44 Posted by: Naive | Jan 16 2025 19:54 utc | 50
Only a complete moron would say that, and I am not one, nor did I say anything of the sort. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 20:00 utc | 51 on tanks Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 20:05 utc | 52
In the latest pre-election polls, we have the CDU/CSU at 30 percent, the AfD at 22 percent and the BSW anywhere ranging from 4 to 7 percent. Where I scanned through several polls and reported the one that was best for AfD and BSW. Not enough time till election date (which is March 23rd) to reverse the trend that favors Friedrich Merz, the Blackrock asset, to become the next German chancellor. Posted by: grunzt | Jan 16 2025 20:14 utc | 53
And that worked out so well for both Russia and Germany with Merkel… Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 20:21 utc | 54 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 16 2025 19:45 utc | 47
Yeah I don’t know about that, to me America is in decline, yes, but it’s a liberal democracy in decline, not a fascist imperialist power. It seems to me this is just what happens to a liberal democracy with handicapped management for many decades. Recent choices may revert that trend in some aspects, I guess. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 16 2025 20:38 utc | 55 @38 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 20:45 utc | 56 “The move is to nuke Poland and Romania.” Posted by: Roland | Jan 16 2025 20:47 utc | 57 seizing crimea and invading Ukraine, accepting annexation of Luhansk and Donetsk is “Putin sitting on his hands”. Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 20:50 utc | 58 “ The move is to nuke Poland and Romania “ Posted by: scc | Jan 16 2025 20:51 utc | 59 @54 Grüntür. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 16 2025 20:56 utc | 60 Wow, things must be going really bad for Ukraine, if NAFO is launching such a heavy offensive… here, at MoA. The two main NAFO trolls in this thread are convincing me that Ukraine is really against the ropes. Not that I doubted it, but… Posted by: Feamantur | Jan 16 2025 20:59 utc | 61 Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 20:05 utc | 52 Posted by: rk | Jan 16 2025 21:02 utc | 62
The West’s objective is to bleed Russia and soften it up to the point where it either surrenders or is ripe for a first strike. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 21:04 utc | 63 Other suggestions? Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 21:13 utc | 64 I’d like to imagine that some discord server of NAFOids is sitting there going “what do we say now”? Posted by: Roland | Jan 16 2025 21:17 utc | 65 Urban Fox@36….I steal nothing, you give it for free….here, let me scratch behind your ear, there’s a good boy…..wanna play fetch….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 16 2025 21:18 utc | 66 @ rk | Jan 16 2025 21:02 utc | 65 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 21:23 utc | 67 it is an internal Russian civil war, Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 21:25 utc | 68 it is an internal Russian civil war Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 21:31 utc | 69
Yes. Ukraine is core historic Russian territory, that, because Putin sat on his hands for two years, was successfully turned into a battering ram against the center. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 21:36 utc | 70 As a western busness plan of theft of Ukraines and Russias resourses for the military industryal complex and their investers it may have been a short term gain but long term loss. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 16 2025 21:44 utc | 71 Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 21:36 utc | 74 Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 21:46 utc | 72 More on that “civil war” discussion, because of how ridiculous it is.
Do I need to say more given that Putin himself agrees with me, publicly? Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 21:50 utc | 73 nuke Romania and Poland, of course. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 21:52 utc | 74
And none for the ICBM silos in the Midwest or the SSBNs out on patrol in the sea… Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 21:52 utc | 75 The Great Vladamir putin is why we are all alive right now. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 16 2025 21:58 utc | 76 Putin calls conflict with Ukraine similar to civil war between brothers Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 22:00 utc | 77
They are volunteering because there is no other choice – the country has to be defended. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 22:01 utc | 78 So Poland and Romania it is, giving the US a chance to back down. They will if they still have their senses with them… Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 22:02 utc | 79
It’s not the only time he has said it, and he is not the only Russian official to have said it. It was just the first quote that popped up. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 22:03 utc | 80 have you considered a mail order bride? Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 22:04 utc | 81
Out of range from current positions. Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 16 2025 22:06 utc | 82 Starmer comments on Russian drone shot nearby that it is a reminder of Russian aggression….no, it’s a reminder Russia knows what goes on and reminds UK it will repay for the storm shadows UK has sent….. Posted by: Jo | Jan 16 2025 22:09 utc | 83 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2025 18:26 utc | 31 Posted by: Milites | Jan 16 2025 22:09 utc | 84 They are volunteering because there is no other choice – the country has to be defended. Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 22:12 utc | 85
Posted by: grunzt | Jan 16 2025 20:14 utc | 54 Posted by: joey_n | Jan 16 2025 22:17 utc | 86 Grunzt 54…it goes back earlier…when Bismarck and Germany clearly manipulated the events following Sarajevo to declare war 1st 1914 August to get Russia attacked. Posted by: Jo | Jan 16 2025 22:23 utc | 87 @Naive | Thu, 16 Jan 2025 19:54:00 GMT | 50
I avoid all the Anons – Anonymous, anonymous, ANON2022. They read off the same script, if not actually being the same person. Posted by: James M. | Jan 16 2025 22:31 utc | 88 Posted by: James M. | Jan 16 2025 22:31 utc | 96 Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 22:35 utc | 89 DS map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 16 2025 22:36 utc | 90 As Alex Krainer wrote in his article The Coming Downfall of Britain…the loans guarantees etc to Ukraine and debts by that country will tip over the UK debt situation. Seems like the new Agreement with Ukraine-,originally ten years guaranteed support totalling 30 billion then to be “as long as it takes” is now 100 years. So Ukraine has successfully infected UK as a parasite that eat the host.EU countries are still on the to do list…but sometimes Poland seems very jittery about Ukraine…lots military support but not to send troops Posted by: Jo | Jan 16 2025 22:41 utc | 91 also, I will add, Anonymous has neen right for at least a year about the pace of the war, while so many here continuously forecast collapse and sweeping offensives and end of war by 2024 nonsense. Posted by: uwdude | Jan 16 2025 22:44 utc | 92 Re the 100-year guarantee to Ukraine, it’s looking less and less likely there’ll be a “United Kingdom” around to enforce it. At the moment, Muhammed is the most popular boys name in the UK, demography/replacement will be the death of what was the British nation. No way Brits will be signing up to serve in Ukraine the way they did in Spain in the 30s. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 16 2025 23:10 utc | 93 @YetAnotherAnon Posted by: Roland | Jan 16 2025 23:27 utc | 94 Horst Mahler | Jan 16 2025 22:24 utc | 95 Posted by: rk | Jan 16 2025 23:33 utc | 95 No, erasing the entire population by NBC as fast as possible is plan 1 of 1. Just look how they use conventional weapons today Posted by: UWDude | Jan 16 2025 23:41 utc | 96 PBS on TV the other day ZUK Freeview actually had a good programme Germany versus Russia going back to early last century. Posted by: Jo | Jan 16 2025 23:51 utc | 97 actually, Anonymous went from an annoying broken record to a useful and appreciated source of data with his daily captured land updates. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2025 23:53 utc | 98 @UWDude | Thu, 16 Jan 2025 22:35:00 GMT | 97
It’s all the same. The information is open sourced, it’s not even his. It’s not like he does any kind of deep-rooted analysis with it. Nope, he just grifts off, what is it, Deep State’s map, who gets it from the daily releases from the MoDs, like everyone else. It’s still a broken record. Posted by: James M. | Jan 16 2025 23:58 utc | 99 Jo@89….Russia will not be negotiating with the the USA, Mr Putin will have to negotiate with Mr Zielinski, once he is reselected….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 17 2025 0:02 utc | 100 |
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