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January 12, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-008
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Dima’s latest video summary: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 12 2025 14:23 utc | 1 Everyone should welcome these developments by Trump. An America that focuses on it’s own hemisphere instead of roaming the world stirring up shit? What’s not to like?Russia, China, and the US agreeing to spheres of influence to lesson the potential for conflict? What’s not to like? Posted by: Totila | Jan 12 2025 15:24 utc | 3 Ukraine Weekly Update, 10th January 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-9c1 Posted by: The Busker | Jan 12 2025 15:42 utc | 4 I think it is premature to conclude that Trump will be more isolationist. When you look at significant developments WRT NATO expansion close to Ukraine, the events are a steady tempo regardless of D or R in the White House. Trump played his part approving Javelins, which was an escalation at the time (one of a steady progression). I’ll note that Trump also bought into the white helmet fraud and authorized the US to continue Timber Sycamore. Posted by: ockham | Jan 12 2025 16:05 utc | 5 Today’s WaPo reports that Zelensky posted photos on Instagram of two captured North Korean soldiers, complete with photos of their passports. I’ve assumed all along that reports like this were false information from the Ukrainians; that they were deliberately mis-identifying soldiers from a previously unknown “Buryat battalion” — transferred to Kursk from the Buryat republic as part of an airborne brigade — as North Koreans, evidently assuming all asiatics look alike. But photos of passports may lend some credence to their claims. Does anyone here have any information about this ? I don’t have access to Instagram. Thanks. Posted by: Seward | Jan 12 2025 16:11 utc | 6 Europe’s energy wars: who is behind them? Posted by: Nick | Jan 12 2025 16:11 utc | 7 Trump acknowledged Putin’s security concerns the other day when he said that he understood why Putin wouldn’t want NATO in Ukraine. That makes him the first US president I can remember to admit that adversaries have their own interest and are motivated by other things that malevolence or because “they hate our freedoms”. Posted by: Totila | Jan 12 2025 16:12 utc | 8 That makes him the first US president I can remember to admit that adversaries have their own interest and are motivated by other things that malevolence or because “they hate our freedoms”. Posted by: rk | Jan 12 2025 16:16 utc | 9 Posted by: Totila | Jan 12 2025 16:12 utc | 15
Or it’s the same as musk copy-pasting a meme from his worst enemies (i.e. mankind) in order to lull them into cheering for him while he prepares the techno-tyranny that will kill them. Posted by: Jack M | Jan 12 2025 16:25 utc | 11 @ Seward | Jan 12 2025 16:11 utc | 13 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 12 2025 16:46 utc | 12 Is it normal for active-duty front line soldiers to carry passports? Posted by: PalmaSailor | Jan 12 2025 17:01 utc | 13 ockham@12 Posted by: E | Jan 12 2025 17:08 utc | 14 Posted by: Nick | Jan 12 2025 16:11 utc | 14 Posted by: Elber | Jan 12 2025 17:10 utc | 15 My wife is a Russian Dr. She has aRussian international passport and a military one. If she’s called to serve (which she can’t be because she’s in the U.K.) she has to surrender the international passport and keeps the military one which doesn’t allow normal travel until they’re finished with her. Posted by: ossi | Jan 12 2025 17:11 utc | 16 Has anyone else seen mention of “massive” surrenders in the Kursk region by the NATO forces? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 17:14 utc | 17 16 – German WW2 ID discs did not even show the soldiers’ names – they were coded in some way, connected to info carried in some ledger held with their units as well as centrally. I don’t know how the modern Bundeswehr does it. Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 12 2025 17:25 utc | 18 Ok, so another coup in Kiev is almost inevitable and Trump’s inauguration speeds up the timetable for that. Posted by: librul | Jan 12 2025 17:29 utc | 19 Has anyone else seen mention of “massive” surrenders in the Kursk region by the NATO forces? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 12 2025 17:32 utc | 20 Ghost (1): Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2025 17:39 utc | 21
It’s not ‘Trump’, it’s the US weapon and banking complex that wants out of Ukraine as the war has become unprofitable. The profit based industry cannot profit out of a serious war where most of the equipment is destroyed as soon as it reaches the front – likewise Ukrainian debts are a serious threat to US banking industry. Both industries recognize the untenability and the risk posed to them by a US financial collapse which may occur soon with Ukraine black hole. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 12 2025 17:49 utc | 22
It is not that simple all the times. I served in the Wachregiment Feliks Dzierzynski (yes, that one) in the former GDR and we had two IDs. One for military purpose and one for everything civilian related, for example if went on vacation. Posted by: Tuk | Jan 12 2025 17:53 utc | 23 It is not that simple all the times. I served in the Wachregiment Feliks Dzierzynski (yes, that one) in the former GDR and we had two IDs. One for military purpose and one for everything civilian related, for example if went on vacation. Posted by: ossi | Jan 12 2025 18:01 utc | 24 @Totila 3 Posted by: Sam | Jan 12 2025 18:35 utc | 25 The Modus operandi of usa and england— Posted by: Sam | Jan 12 2025 18:36 utc | 26 Simplicius new post has Milleys’s portrait Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2025 18:41 utc | 27 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2025 18:41 utc | 27 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 12 2025 18:54 utc | 28 Russia has been utterly humiliated in Kursk, the loss ratio is insane in favor of Ukraine. I would recommend you look at Andrew Perpetua twitter to get a reality check. Posted by: Neither Classic | Jan 12 2025 19:01 utc | 29 If I were anyone in Ukraine wanting to continue the war, I would actually be scared sh#tless because its acknowledgement of the Washington regime that they lose and will do like they did to the Nato trained government forces in Afghanistan. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2025 19:03 utc | 30 Russia has been utterly humiliated in Kursk, the loss ratio is insane in favor of Ukraine. I would recommend you look at Andrew Perpetua twitter to get a reality check. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 12 2025 19:07 utc | 31 Posted by: Neither Classic | Jan 12 2025 19:01 utc | 29 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 19:11 utc | 32 Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2025 17:39 utc | 21 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 12 2025 19:13 utc | 33
Defense Politics Asia had a video on it. The documents aren’t passports, but military IDs for guys born in Tuva. Posted by: HEL | Jan 12 2025 19:14 utc | 34 Isn’t Perpetua a NATO agent? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 12 2025 19:32 utc | 35 Defense Politics Asia had a video on it. The documents aren’t passports, but military IDs for guys born in Tuva. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2025 19:34 utc | 36 Checking some maps, some already give total control of the T054 east of pokrovsk to RF (i though RF would get T0406 west of pokrovsk before, but it didn’t pan out. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2025 19:48 utc | 37 @ HEL, §34: Posted by: John Marks | Jan 12 2025 19:50 utc | 38 @ HEL, §34: Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2025 20:02 utc | 39 39 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvan_language Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 12 2025 20:09 utc | 40
It seems the video was deleted, i can’t find it anymore. It had closeups and translations of the red documents. Posted by: HEL | Jan 12 2025 20:10 utc | 41 But photos of passports may lend some credence to their claims. Does anyone here have any information about this? I don’t have access to Instagram. Thanks. Posted by: Ed | Jan 12 2025 20:11 utc | 42 42 – As I commented elsewhere, it took only a week or so of the Chinese getting involved in the Korean War in 1950 before Chinese prisoners were captured by the Americans and South Koreans. Despite all the hype, North Koreans in Russia or Ukraine remain strangely elusive… Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 12 2025 20:16 utc | 43 If ukraine does provide some dna samples it would be open/close case Posted by: Ed | Jan 12 2025 20:18 utc | 44 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2025 20:02 utc | 39 Posted by: Elber | Jan 12 2025 20:23 utc | 45 @ Newbie, §39: Posted by: John Marks | Jan 12 2025 20:28 utc | 46 36. Posted by: Cavery | Jan 12 2025 20:38 utc | 47 Regarding Korean soldiers in Ukraine, there is an interesting approach here in the alternative media in Brazil: Posted by: Elber | Jan 12 2025 20:42 utc | 48 Neither Classic wins his inaugural “The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today Award” for this drivel below:
I’m neither a Trump hater nor a Trump lover, just an observer. My issue is with the meaning and concept of nationalism. The usage and meaning of words in every language change over time, so your interpretation may vary. IMO, the word nation is more traditionally associated with peoples, tribes, clans, languages, cultures. The word country is more associated with geography and the regime governing a territory. Posted by: Drifter | Jan 12 2025 20:58 utc | 50 Simplicius has long since come up with an interesting explanation for these supposed Korean soldiers. I remember him saying that this would be possible, given the recent treaty between Russia and North Korea; given that, in Kursk, Russia had suffered an invasion. Posted by: Elber | Jan 12 2025 21:04 utc | 51 48 – There are even inhabitants of Russia of Korean ethnicity. After WW2, hundreds of Soviet Koreans were sent to the Soviet-occupied zone of Korea, and they played a role in setting up the DPRK and in some cases were high-ranking members of its armed forces. Nam Il, the chief Communist representative at talks in Panmunjom, was one of them – born with the name Yakov Petrovich Nam in Tsarist Russia in 1915. The Ukrainians could dig up one of these Russian Koreans from somewhere and claim he was North Korean. Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 12 2025 21:05 utc | 52 @tj and the bear 35. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 12 2025 21:10 utc | 53 Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 12 2025 21:05 utc | 52 Posted by: Elber | Jan 12 2025 21:15 utc | 54 DNA testing is at best a blunt instrument and most often simply fraud. Even if you believe in it, who would believe the chosen lab? Above comments are scientism. Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 12 2025 21:16 utc | 55 Trump acknowledged Putin’s security concerns the other day when he said that he understood why Putin wouldn’t want NATO in Ukraine. That makes him the first US president I can remember to admit that adversaries have their own interest and are motivated by other things that malevolence or because “they hate our freedoms”. Posted by: Red Star | Jan 12 2025 21:20 utc | 56 Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jan 12 2025 21:10 utc | 53 Posted by: UWDude | Jan 12 2025 21:29 utc | 57 Stop saying false things. Pres. Trump did not send offensive weapons to Ukraine in his first term. He only wanted to strengthen Ukraine’s defense capability. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 12 2025 21:33 utc | 58 But didn’t Trump spend his last term in power continuing to build up the Ukraine military we know and love so well ? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 12 2025 21:34 utc | 59 Pres. Trump did not send offensive weapons to Ukraine in his first term. He only wanted to strengthen Ukraine’s defense capability. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 12 2025 21:36 utc | 60 Posted by: canuck | Jan 12 2025 20:45 utc | 49 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 21:53 utc | 61
Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 21:56 utc | 62 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 21:53 utc | 61 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:13 utc | 63 Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 21:56 utc | 62 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:15 utc | 64
Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 22:25 utc | 65 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 21:53 utc | 61 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:29 utc | 66 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 12 2025 21:36 utc | 60 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:32 utc | 67
Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 22:33 utc | 68 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:29 utc | 66 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:34 utc | 69 @Craig Kennedy Posted by: Featherless | Jan 12 2025 22:39 utc | 70 Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 22:33 utc | 68 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:44 utc | 71 Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 22:33 utc | 68 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 12 2025 22:49 utc | 72 Posted by: Featherless | Jan 12 2025 22:39 utc | 70 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 22:50 utc | 73 Trump is too busy planning his big party to bother himself with California fires or Ukraine. America has lost its opportunity to plunder Russia so Trump wants to take a fee for allowing oil 🛢️ and gas to Europe. Trump has no other plan. Putin has checkmated him. It is quite clear that America has an overvalued currency and stock market and when it corrects America will lose its power. Posted by: bingo | Jan 12 2025 22:56 utc | 74 Pres. Trump did not send offensive weapons to Ukraine in his first term. He only wanted to strengthen Ukraine’s defense capability. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 12 2025 23:00 utc | 75 If you read any of Craig’s propaganda, you will see that he conflates the construction industry with the military industrial base, not understanding that much of Russian construction is state funded such as the rebuilding of Mariupol, which is clearly a civilian project. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 23:01 utc | 76 Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 22:33 utc | 68 et seq Posted by: Badger | Jan 12 2025 23:10 utc | 77 Posted by: Badger | Jan 12 2025 23:10 utc | 77 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 23:14 utc | 78 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 23:14 utc | 78 Posted by: Badger | Jan 12 2025 23:25 utc | 79 Posted by: Neither Classic | Jan 12 2025 19:01 utc | 29 Posted by: Milites | Jan 12 2025 23:42 utc | 80 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 12 2025 23:14 utc | 78 Posted by: Elber | Jan 12 2025 23:45 utc | 81 Posted by: Totila | Jan 12 2025 15:24 utc | 3 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 12 2025 23:47 utc | 82 Daily DS map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2025 23:50 utc | 83 Russia Turns Towards Kramatorsk Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 12 2025 23:59 utc | 84 “Everyone should welcome these developments by Trump. An America that focuses on it’s own hemisphere instead of roaming the world stirring up shit?” Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 12 2025 23:59 utc | 84 Posted by: Milites | Jan 13 2025 0:05 utc | 86 Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2025 23:50 utc | 83 Posted by: Elber | Jan 13 2025 0:06 utc | 87 “Posted by: canuck | Jan 12 2025 20:45 utc | 49 Craig K @2156 Dec 12 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2025 0:32 utc | 89 Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 22:33 utc | 68 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 13 2025 0:37 utc | 90 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 12 2025 23:47 utc | 82 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 13 2025 0:52 utc | 91 @68 Posted by: paddy | Jan 13 2025 1:02 utc | 92 An update from Gilbert Doctorow:
If Trump has Solovyov and Doctorow convinced “a new day is dawning” we can only take note: This is what it would look like were they getting played like a violin by a virtuoso. A truly world-class fiddler like Itzhak or Pinchas! Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 13 2025 1:04 utc | 93 “The Neocons represent a very old strain of American internationalist thought that goes back to Woodrow Wilson. The first “Progressive” American President.” @Aleph_Null Posted by: Featherless | Jan 13 2025 1:47 utc | 95 Posted by: Totila | Jan 12 2025 16:12 utc | 8 Posted by: Naive | Jan 13 2025 1:48 utc | 96 Posted by: Craig Kennedy | Jan 12 2025 22:33 utc | 68 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 13 2025 1:50 utc | 97 Craig Kennedy is total bullshit. He is exposing what the ukronazis and their supporters are dreaming of. Same propaganda as at the beginning of the SMO explaining that Russia will run out of missiles, weapons, ammunitions and what else and will have to use washing-machines chips and shovels. Posted by: Naive | Jan 13 2025 1:58 utc | 98 Woodrow Wilson can be labeled many things, but he is hardly a progressive even in early 20th century terms. Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 13 2025 2:00 utc | 99 Our sanctions are effective, the economic and financial sanctions are even of formidable effectiveness and I don’t want to leave any ambuiguity hanging over the European determination on this subject, we are going to wage a total economic and financial war on Russia. So we will provoke the collapse of the Russian economy. Posted by: Naive | Jan 13 2025 2:01 utc | 100 |
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