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January 9, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-005
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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It seems the Ukies have hit a fuel depot of some magnitude. Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 9 2025 16:01 utc | 1 Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 9 2025 16:01 utc | 1 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 9 2025 16:10 utc | 2 – The new offensive in Kursk region stopped and now a Russian offensive there within 2-3km of the only supply road through Sudzha. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 9 2025 16:23 utc | 3 Kokhol Autosuggestion : “publishing a bad news a day will keep the Russians away.” Posted by: Savonarole | Jan 9 2025 16:23 utc | 4 Do you mean the strike on the Cherkizovo Chicken Kingdom? Yeah, real strategically significant. Russia is doing a fine job striking back in my view as results attest. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 9 2025 16:32 utc | 5 I can’t help but compare and contrast the ballyhoo over an oil depot with the complete radio silence that still blankets Yuzhmash. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 16:35 utc | 6 The Neo-Nazi dictator – will remove the opposition if needs be. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 9 2025 16:38 utc | 7 Pinpricks by those pricks will not halt the charging Bear. Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 9 2025 16:40 utc | 8 Simplicius still thinks the MOD’s numbers are the upper limit, but he should consider how many age brackets were exhausted. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 9 2025 17:00 utc | 9 Same question as yesterday: Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 17:38 utc | 10 I took a stroll over to turcopolier, Pat Lang’s old blog (RIP.) Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 9 2025 17:48 utc | 11 Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 17:38 utc | 10 Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 17:51 utc | 12 Isn’t the end of war profitable for the troops and their families on both sides of a conflict? Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 18:00 utc | 13 Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 17:38 utc | 10 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 9 2025 18:03 utc | 14 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 9 2025 18:03 utc | 14 Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 18:10 utc | 15 @ Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 17:38 utc | 10 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 18:21 utc | 16 The West will have its MSM post an accurate accounting of AFU casualties just prior to making it clear that its washed its hands of “the corrupt and incompetent Zelenskyy regime in Kiev”. If we’re now seeing the presstitutes starting to post less inaccurate numbers, it’s so as to have their ducks in a row for when the reality on the ground can no longer be denied*. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 9 2025 18:22 utc | 17
Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 17:38 utc | 10 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 18:25 utc | 18 How to invest into the Russian stock market? Posted by: surrenderingmonkey | Jan 9 2025 18:30 utc | 19 US Dept of Defence has published couple speeches by Austin and Z at the Ramstein meeting today. Might be usefull when it is over to analyse and see how much they match reality . Posted by: Jo | Jan 9 2025 18:30 utc | 20 9….general thoughts are about 1m..today seems to be 500000 have managed to escape recruitment…60000 ISH have absconded…..yet Z said the other day he had 1m in his army. Uhuh sounds a lot of theoretical to me. Posted by: Jo | Jan 9 2025 18:35 utc | 21 Per Yahoo Finance: Posted by: Klaus | Jan 9 2025 18:37 utc | 22 Since the beginning of 2022, many foreign investors have had their cash flows blocked due to conflict-related sanctions and Moscow’s countermeasures. Posted by: Jo | Jan 9 2025 18:37 utc | 23 Posted by: Jo | Jan 9 2025 18:35 utc | 21 Posted by: bored | Jan 9 2025 18:46 utc | 24 @ Klaus | Jan 9 2025 18:37 utc | 22 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 18:49 utc | 25 @malenkov | Jan 9 2025 18:49 utc | 25 Posted by: Klaus | Jan 9 2025 18:53 utc | 26 @ Klaus | Jan 9 2025 18:53 utc | 26 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 19:00 utc | 27 Posted by: surrenderingmonkey | Jan 9 2025 18:30 utc | 19 Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Jan 9 2025 19:13 utc | 28 re: g wiltek | Jan 9 2025 16:01 utc | 1 Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 9 2025 19:43 utc | 29 France is upset African countries do not want their military..however Blinken says he expects France to supply a lot more to Ukraine in the coming months and we remember Macron had certain proposals too….problem solved! Posted by: Jo | Jan 9 2025 19:46 utc | 30 Big Serge with another excellent writeup of the state of the war:
Counting bodies and money in one short thread, yay for humans Posted by: Rae | Jan 9 2025 19:56 utc | 32 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 9 2025 17:00 utc | 9 Posted by: Milites | Jan 9 2025 20:23 utc | 33 Road to Krasnoarmeisk: Posted by: Naive | Jan 9 2025 20:41 utc | 34 Milites | Jan 9 2025 20:23 utc | 33 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 9 2025 20:42 utc | 35 Posted by: b | Jan 9 2025 19:50 utc | 31 Posted by: Naive | Jan 9 2025 20:45 utc | 36 Same question as yesterday: Posted by: Mary | Jan 9 2025 20:45 utc | 37 When this play is available, why does the market not take advantage of it? And then it autocorrects? Posted by: surrenderingmonkey | Jan 9 2025 20:46 utc | 38 Posted by: b | Jan 9 2025 19:50 utc | 31 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 20:51 utc | 40 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 16:35 utc | 6 Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 20:52 utc | 41 We can tell all the stories we want, but there is something in the Russian management that leaks from all sides, today, at least 15 Ukronazi drones flew over Russia for over 1000 km without anyone noticing, and a fuel depot was hit, there are dead and injured among the firefighters, Posted by: Cagliostro | Jan 9 2025 20:56 utc | 42 Cagliostro@42…..you must be new around here, the locals call it a pin prick, some even stomp their feet the enforce the view, not sure if they can count or know how many pin pricks equals a sucking chest wound…..pin pricks they’ll tells ya, pin pricks….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 9 2025 21:03 utc | 43 Posted by: Cagliostro | Jan 9 2025 20:56 utc | 42 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 21:06 utc | 44 Although it’s almost a month old, Medvedev’s essay to an extent is timeless and was written so Russians and others could digest it over the holidays, and now it can be read in English, “Dmitry Medvedev: “On National Identity and Political Choice: The Experience of Russia and China,”” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/dmitry-medvedev-on-national-identity Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 9 2025 20:42 utc | 35 Posted by: Milites | Jan 9 2025 21:21 utc | 46 Posted by: b | Jan 9 2025 19:50 utc | 31
In what way would an official Ukrainian defeat affect the level of attacks on fuel depots, military bases, refineries and other infrastructure? Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 21:22 utc | 47 Rolling Ruble@10……the best way for the soldiers and their families to get rich after the war would be to open PTSD and Prosthetics Clinics, they have a built in clientele…..buy shares when they take their companies public, or look for Crematoriums, Undertakers and Coffin manufacturing whose companies trade publicly…..oh and scrap metal and de mining companies, actually come to think of it, the Prosthetics and De Mining companies might be a double win. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 9 2025 21:24 utc | 48 We can tell all the stories we want, but there is something in the Russian management that leaks from all sides, today, at least 15 Ukronazi drones flew over Russia for over 1000 km without anyone noticing, and a fuel depot was hit, there are dead and injured among the firefighters, Posted by: Newbie | Jan 9 2025 21:26 utc | 49
Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 21:22 utc | 47 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 21:27 utc | 50 @ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 21:27 utc | 50 Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 21:31 utc | 51 Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 21:31 utc | 51 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 21:33 utc | 52 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@44….is you right??? What makes you think the Oreshnik strike was a pin prick? The lack of visible destruction? The veil of secrecy, from both sides? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 9 2025 21:40 utc | 53
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 20:52 utc | 41 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 21:46 utc | 54 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 9 2025 21:40 utc | 53 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 21:48 utc | 55 sorry to barflies for banging on about this particular hobby-horse of mine… Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 9 2025 21:58 utc | 56 re: g wiltek | Jan 9 2025 16:01 utc | 1
Is Pravda similar to Pravda on the Potemac ? Posted by: DM: | Jan 9 2025 22:05 utc | 57 Big Serge today. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jan 9 2025 22:07 utc | 58 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 21:33 utc | 52
I doubt many people in the West will call it terrorism. But, be that as it may, would it lessen the impact of the strikes? Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 22:07 utc | 59 b@31, Kagan quote 12 to 18 months for total Russian control…. Is that all of Ukraine or just the four Novorussiya oblasts? I think the time frame for the latter may be about right, but analysts like Sleboda and Mercouris are beginning to voice the thought that it will be necessary to take the entire country, including the fundamentally hostile to Russia West Ukraine which will permanently remain as a festering source of underground resistance. I’m inclined to agree, as it takes time to extend logistics, and a dying hegemon is likely to continue to try to undermine Russia from every direction and border that can possibly be exploited via fires large and small.. So how long to get to Ukraine’s borders with Europe, considering the need to extend logistics and put in place local controls over a not so friendly populous? I don’t know, but longer than 18 months, I’d wager. Posted by: mjh | Jan 9 2025 22:10 utc | 60
Well I suppose that’s just a matter of perspective, innit? Seems likely that over time more people, even in the benighted West, will agree. Given it’s the truth and all. Remind me, who is shelling the Zaporozhye NPP? One frustrated Ukrainian going postal and killing some Americans later and the whole narrative apple cart falls over. Oops! Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 9 2025 22:19 utc | 61 Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 22:07 utc | 59 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 22:21 utc | 62 Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 17:51 “Isn’t the end of war profitable for the troops and their families on both sides of a conflict?” Posted by: Ed4 | Jan 9 2025 22:30 utc | 63 Posted by: Cagliostro | Jan 9 2025 20:56 utc | 42 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 9 2025 22:36 utc | 64 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 16:35 utc | 6 Posted by: Englishman in NY | Jan 9 2025 22:39 utc | 65
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 9 2025 22:19 utc | 61 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 22:41 utc | 66 Posted by: Cagliostro | Jan 9 2025 20:56 utc | 42 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 9 2025 22:42 utc | 67 A speculation: 404 industrial targets seem, to my childish wordplay, to be homonymic at least in English. (If there be such an adjective). Dima says that the west is not tired of war and that in Ramstein they decided to give Ukraine everything it needs. POland is sending tanks. Posted by: vargas | Jan 9 2025 22:44 utc | 69 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 22:21 utc | 62
No. I would think that attacks on infrastructure, defence assets and anything of value is meant to weaken Russia. Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 22:52 utc | 70 Although it’s almost a month old, Medvedev’s essay to an extent is timeless and was written so Russians and others could digest it over the holidays, and now it can be read in English, “Dmitry Medvedev: “On National Identity and Political Choice: The Experience of Russia and China,”” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/dmitry-medvedev-on-national-identity Posted by: Newbie | Jan 9 2025 22:59 utc | 71 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 9 2025 21:58 utc | 56 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 9 2025 22:59 utc | 72 Daily DS update: Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 9 2025 23:00 utc | 73
Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 22:52 utc | 70 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 23:01 utc | 74 Big Serge today. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 9 2025 23:01 utc | 75 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 9 2025 22:19 utc | 61
Perhaps. But that day appears far away. The West very much holds the narrative high ground and its opponents don’t seem up to the task to upset that power balance.
In case it isn’t obvious here, I’m not the one you should ask of who’s shelling the NPP. That’s a question for the aforementioned people that need some convincing to change their perspective. Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 23:05 utc | 76 Posted by: Englishman in NY | Jan 9 2025 22:39 utc | 65 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 9 2025 23:12 utc | 77 Posted by: vargas | Jan 9 2025 22:44 utc | 69 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 9 2025 23:24 utc | 78 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 23:01 utc | 74
I would think that the destruction certainly adds up. There’s also the induced cost from things taken offline like refineries, closed bridges and such. Then there’s the strategic aspect of losing certain military assets. Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 23:25 utc | 79
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 9 2025 21:58 utc | 56 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 23:38 utc | 80 Posted by: robin | Jan 9 2025 23:25 utc | 79 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 23:45 utc | 81 #40 Jeremy R..-Lang & #41 Paranaense…Hal Turner Radio Show published on 01/06/2025 close-up picture of place where ORESCHNIK it’s horrifying picture…you can still find out . First let us start with the obvious, from the failure of the 2023 summer offensive and RF taking the offensive it was over for the AFU. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 10 2025 0:13 utc | 83 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2025 20:51 utc | 40 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 10 2025 0:35 utc | 85 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 10 2025 0:13 utc | 83 Posted by: Mary | Jan 10 2025 1:05 utc | 86 #40 Jeremy R..-Lang & #41 Paranaense…Hal Turner Radio Show published on 01/06/2025 close-up picture of place where ORESCHNIK it’s horrifying picture…you can still find out . Posted by: Mary | Jan 10 2025 1:10 utc | 87 @ b | Jan 9 2025 19:50 utc | 31 with the link and quote of Robert Kagan who said Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2025 1:12 utc | 88 @Mary | Fri, 10 Jan 2025 01:05:00 GMT | 86
No, those aren’t counted as losses. Those are personnel changes, discharges. No military in the world counts discharges as losses. Posted by: James M. | Jan 10 2025 1:13 utc | 89 Dear Sean, Dim Mak literally “death by touch” or pin prick strike to Meridian channels. Death can be delayed depending on the exact location chosen. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 10 2025 1:15 utc | 90 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 10 2025 0:13 utc | 83 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 10 2025 1:23 utc | 92 @Newbie | Fri, 10 Jan 2025 00:13:00 GMT | 83
Still highly dubious numbers. I agree that Russia can afford its losses while Ukraine cannot, but I don’t think the ratios are anywhere close to 6 to 1. At 3 million losses that would be three times Ukraine’s current mobilized strength is gone. That means fifty percent of its total mobilized strength is irrevocable losses. No military in the history of the world has sustained that amount of loss and still been a viable fighting force. Posted by: James M. | Jan 10 2025 1:26 utc | 93 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 10 2025 0:13 utc | 83 “1. The west believes there is a weapons system that is a solve all and is trying to figure out which” Posted by: Ed4 | Jan 10 2025 1:28 utc | 94 Posted by: James M. | Jan 10 2025 1:26 utc | 93 “but I don’t think the ratios are anywhere close to 6 to 1” Posted by: Ed4 | Jan 10 2025 1:32 utc | 95 Still highly dubious numbers. I agree that Russia can afford its losses while Ukraine cannot, but I don’t think the ratios are anywhere close to 6 to 1. At 3 million losses that would be three times Ukraine’s current mobilized strength is gone. That means fifty percent of its total mobilized strength is irrevocable losses. No military in the history of the world has sustained that amount of loss and still been a viable fighting force. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 10 2025 1:35 utc | 96 Posted by: Ed4 | Jan 10 2025 1:28 utc | 94 Posted by: J | Jan 10 2025 1:37 utc | 97 Suresh@90…..thanks for clearing that up, you must feel much better…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 10 2025 1:43 utc | 98 Man, that guy “Big Serge” writes too much and thinks too little. What a blowhard. Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 10 2025 1:45 utc | 99 Still hung up on territory measured in sq km, huh, anonymous? Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 10 2025 1:48 utc | 100 |
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