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January 5, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-002
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Zelensky wants to lay an egg in Trump’s nest Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 13:43 utc | 501 Posted by: vargas | Jan 7 2025 8:57 utc | 569 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 7 2025 13:45 utc | 502 http://www.halturnerradioshow.com- published first detail picture of devastation done by ORESCHNIK/HAZEL… looks terrifying… Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 13:46 utc | 503 Posted by: vargas | Jan 7 2025 8:57 utc | 569 Posted by: vargas | Jan 7 2025 13:59 utc | 504 The amazing thing about Dima is how he correctly predicts such Ukrainian offensives several weeks in advance. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 7 2025 14:00 utc | 505 Ukraine will follow the same path, they will love Russia, once its comprehensive defeat as a corrupt proxy state of faraway powers is completed at the best tempo considering all factors. Posted by: rk | Jan 7 2025 14:04 utc | 506 Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 7 2025 14:00 utc | 613 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 7 2025 14:08 utc | 507 I trust Dima. Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 14:13 utc | 508 Sorry Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 14:14 utc | 509 Sorry to be a spoilsport but there is one thing the liberal democracies excel at: Posted by: Catilina | Jan 7 2025 14:29 utc | 510 Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 14:14 utc | 617 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 7 2025 14:35 utc | 511 Posted by: rk | Jan 7 2025 14:04 utc | 614 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 7 2025 14:37 utc | 512 vargas you ‘trust’ Dima yet when he announces a serious Uke defeat you assert ,”it doesn’t mean much. ” You are truly retarded. Here’s an out-of-the-box thought: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 7 2025 14:44 utc | 514 For me at least there is the feeling that this thread has become dominated by trolls. The method is all these verbose and oblique arguments. They raise side issues in the assertions, enough so that a back and forth argument will be off topic. Ah well… Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 7 2025 14:49 utc | 515 @ Tom, 598. Posted by: Inevitabllity | Jan 7 2025 14:50 utc | 516 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 6 2025 23:35 utc | 486 Posted by: Hunsdon | Jan 7 2025 15:01 utc | 517 As far as Germany is concerned… Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 15:15 utc | 518 What I simply don’t understand is why so many geopolitical analysts are so blinkered and have been sucked into short term thinking ? Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 7 2025 15:36 utc | 519 Odd thing about trolls, for the most part no matter how viciously you insult them, they always maintain their cool, where as us normal humans would probably respond with ad hominems in kind. My guess is that’s because they have a “job” to do (hint hint). Posted by: Johnny Boy | Jan 7 2025 15:36 utc | 520 @Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 14:14 utc | 617
Austria: The FPO is neoliberal while being against the Ukraine war and Russian sanctions Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 7 2025 15:39 utc | 521 @Sun of Alabama Posted by: Featherless | Jan 7 2025 15:41 utc | 522 “Here’s an out-of-the-box thought: Over to you b, Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 7 2025 15:50 utc | 524 Posted by: Featherless | Jan 7 2025 15:41 utc | 631 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 7 2025 16:01 utc | 525 The inciter and self-proclaimed MOA block warden Peter UA1 was constantly applauded here, which I found particularly bad. Only a few protested against it, but still. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 7 2025 16:04 utc | 526 Case in point: Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 7 2025 16:20 utc | 527 The European and Canadian establishments are keeping a strong hand on the tiller, just changing the actors where necessary. They may have to give up on the Ukraine war and throw in a heavy dose of domestic authoritarianism but they are not defeated. They will simply oversee the slide into deeper and deeper levels of immiseration for the majority, until the next full blown GFC which may still be put off for a year or two by US fiscal profligacy. Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 16:26 utc | 528 Roger Boyd | Jan 7 2025 15:39 utc | 630 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 7 2025 16:27 utc | 529 >In principle, he’s also right. These zombiefied Russians who call themselves Ukrainians, brought >into line by Nazi ideology, will fight like the Nazi Germans and Japanese to their demise. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 7 2025 16:32 utc | 530 Everyone seems to forget that the Ukrainian divisions were a significant part of the Red Army which got to Berlin. They’re really just other Russian Slavs. Like the Russians, the buggers will never stop. Don’t expect a collapse. This only ends with destruction like the Wehrmacht in ’45 or a surrender deal. And forget Zelensky. He has no part to play in the end. Trump is the only key. If he doesn’t crave his Nobel prize enough, this will go on. Posted by: WilsonK | Jan 7 2025 16:34 utc | 531 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 7 2025 13:22 utc | 602 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 7 2025 17:05 utc | 532 (Addressing both Ossi and Cynic). As desperation metastasizes amongst the mass of the Deutscher and Sceptred Isle’s peoples, firstly chaos will ensure. Yeats’ vision of the “Rough Beast” will emerge within that chaos and the primped up elites and many of their more pampered minions will hie off to their hidey-holes on Caribbean islands and in the more tony settings in Florida. Many of them will cringe in their 300 foot yachts, occasionally dispatching some servants ashore to bring in food and supplies…as the “contagion” spreads to the $tates. Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2025 17:12 utc | 533 aristodemos@642…..you read too much Margaret Atwood….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 7 2025 17:22 utc | 534 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2025 17:12 utc | 642 Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2025 17:26 utc | 535 Jams O’Donnell@641……you’re drooling in your sleep there Jams, optimistic dreams, but dribbling just the same ….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 7 2025 17:27 utc | 536 Son of Alabama@1620 Dec 7 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2025 17:28 utc | 537 Ossi@1515 Dec 7 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2025 17:53 utc | 538 Hunsdon@1501 Dec 7 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2025 18:01 utc | 539 Naive | Jan 6 2025 21:28 utc | 452
No, no ! Agent Provocateur is some seriously tasty lingerie ! The Kylie Minogue pub was Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 7 2025 18:05 utc | 540 Ossi@1726 Dec 7 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2025 18:06 utc | 541 Posted by: James M. | Jan 7 2025 7:12 utc | 559 Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 7 2025 18:14 utc | 543 Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 7 2025 18:14 utc | 552 Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 7 2025 20:12 utc | 544
Kinda like Medvedev’s post advocating to ‘punish Europe’ and ‘ignore the US’? Posted by: joey_n | Jan 7 2025 22:02 utc | 545 @Paranaense | Tue, 07 Jan 2025 18:14:00 GMT | 552
Yes, well I’ll believe that when I see it. Trump has a history of not following through on his campaign promises, which many of his followers conveniently forget. Posted by: James M. | Jan 7 2025 22:04 utc | 546 Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 7 2025 20:12 utc | 553 Posted by: Milites | Jan 7 2025 22:46 utc | 547 I believe that the leadership situation in Ukraine is the opposite of Hamas and Hezbollah. Whenever Israel kills one of their leaders, the next guy in line steps up and the purpose of their organization continues with no letup. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 7 2025 22:47 utc | 548 Re-reading my last comment, replace one with ‘you’, as I did not seek to be personally confrontational or threatening, just suggestive of the power of the oncoming ‘wave’ bearing down on the West. Posted by: Milites | Jan 7 2025 22:50 utc | 549 Most here at MoA seriously underestimate Trump. I’m predicting an agreement to end the Ukraine war by May and an agreed-upon path to peace in the Middle East by the end of the year. Posted by: Ed | Jan 8 2025 0:19 utc | 550 What is the USA / the West doing wrong. Posted by: Ed | Jan 8 2025 0:44 utc | 551 GRINNING – I’LL BE BACK Posted by: Ed | Jan 8 2025 1:18 utc | 552 You have nothing to complain about in my comments. That this place is a “propaganda” outlet is self-evident. Anything that does not toe the “party line” gets trashed by dozens of “trolls” in attack swarms that never let up. Everyone who comes here knows this. To deny it is delusional and frankly just stupid. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 8 2025 4:58 utc | 553 The USA won the war, Ukraine be damned. The EU’s industries were as much as a targets as were Putin’s ambitions to upgrade Russia from a primitive low GDP national bourgeois resource-based/industrial capitalist economy to a sophisticated high GDP finance-based imperialist capitalist system à la USA. Posted by: mechacomrade | Jan 8 2025 5:19 utc | 554 @mechacomrade | Wed, 08 Jan 2025 05:19:00 GMT | 575
With what- rapidly declining (Western) Europe? No, I don’t think so. Countries in Africa, the Middle East, South and Southeast Asia, even Latin America have taken note of this debacle. BRICS will grow, and the G-7 will decline. Posted by: James M. | Jan 8 2025 5:29 utc | 555 Ukraine’s potential to become a major powerhouse is exactly what Putin fears and triggered his imperialist invasion. Imagine a thriving Westernized Ukraine, with the quality of life and liberalism of Poland/Finland and the resources and strategic positioning of Ukraine. Putin couldn’t tolerate a competing power within its sphere of influence. Posted by: ridukosennin | Jan 8 2025 7:09 utc | 556 No way! The US will not profit from the Ukraine conflict Posted by: ossi | Jan 8 2025 7:28 utc | 557 We congratulate Comrade Kim Jon Un and the people of North Korea on the successful launch of a hypersonic missile. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 8 2025 7:37 utc | 558 Ukraine’s potential to become a major powerhouse is exactly what Putin fears and triggered his imperialist invasion. Imagine a thriving Westernized Ukraine, with the quality of life and liberalism of Poland/Finland and the resources and strategic positioning of Ukraine. Putin couldn’t tolerate a competing power within its sphere of influence. Posted by: ossi | Jan 8 2025 7:53 utc | 559 Dima and Weeb say that the situation on the front is developing dramatically to Ukraine’s disadvantage. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 8 2025 13:05 utc | 560 “the west will continue to attack Russia for as long as it takes to destroy Russia (centuries if necessary)” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 9 2025 12:44 utc | 561 Saratov! Posted by: ReinhardvonSiegfried | Jan 9 2025 15:06 utc | 562 |
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