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January 5, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-002
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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My personal take is that it was the Kursk NPP for the same reason they’d love to have the Zap NPP back, but of course they bogged down well short of that. The second reason was simply narrative — “taking the fight to Russia!”. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 20:48 utc | 101 Ukies are desperate for negotiations when Trump assumes office hoping to exchange Kursk for Ukie territory. That won’t be happening. Ukrainistan can’t fight without weekly US weapons which will run dry in 6 weeks. Then chicken Kiev must surrender everything or face annihilation. Wrong calculations by the comedian and his jesters. Pity! Posted by: Jason | Jan 5 2025 21:00 utc | 102 Posted by: John Marks | Jan 5 2025 18:48 utc | 74 “Both the referendum in Kiev and the disposition of Galicia, Bessarabia & Transcarpathia will be contingent upon the dissolution of NATO and a further condition of no foreign troops allowed in Poland, Rumania or Slovakia.” Posted by: Ed4 | Jan 5 2025 21:02 utc | 103
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 20:46 utc | 99
These are the ones I see as being potentially problematic, and if not managed closely will provide new ground for Western agitation and friction-raising on Russia’s new borders. So, Russia will have a big say in the constitutional structure of whatever land these nutters eventually end up with, as part of any long-term settlement agreement. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 5 2025 21:10 utc | 104 If Ukraine falls why would Poland, for instance, go along with the dissolution of NATO? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 21:14 utc | 105 Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jan 5 2025 18:18 utc | 69 Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2025 21:29 utc | 106 Then their population would have chased them to hell for a long time… Posted by: vargas | Jan 5 2025 21:35 utc | 107 Posted by: Stierlitz | Jan 5 2025 20:37 utc | 98 Posted by: Hunsdon | Jan 5 2025 21:51 utc | 108 As a child of the late Cold War, and as a student of the Cold War, I have been just stunned by the casual indifference with which the West today seems to regard the prospects of a for real shooting fight with Russia. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:04 utc | 109 Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2025 21:29 utc | 106 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:06 utc | 110 Now I’ve seen everything Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:11 utc | 111 Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2025 21:29 utc | 106 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 22:15 utc | 112
Posted by: rgl | Jan 5 2025 22:16 utc | 113 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:11 utc | 111 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 22:17 utc | 114 I’ve got a weird suspicion that we’re all going to be disappointed in how Trump and his executive branch handle Ukraine. I can easily see the hawks getting their way over doves and those who favor negotiating, even though the Russians would be very short sighted to negotiate anything at this point at all, except possibly total surrender and disarmament. The neocon devils want Crimea back badly and IMHO one of the main reasons for this whole war has been its return, no matter that even us lowly anonymous netizens have known how ridiculous the proposition has always been. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 22:21 utc | 115 Posted by: Hunsdon | Jan 5 2025 21:51 utc | 108 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 22:26 utc | 116 Coming US president is a criminal, the one who is still hanging on with one leg in the grave is also a criminal, in a way, the whole of USA is criminal. Posted by: ostrr | Jan 5 2025 22:26 utc | 117 They’d love to be the new power in Europe supplanting Germany and with restored Russia relations (i.e., cheap energy) they easily could be. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 5 2025 22:28 utc | 118 Trump’s approval numbers will drop lower than Bidens did just before he pulled off the 2024 race. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 22:30 utc | 119 Posted by: rgl | Jan 5 2025 22:16 utc | 114 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 22:35 utc | 120 When certain people disappear from public view, and others vanish from social media, then start to worry. I believe the interval between their vanishing and the predicted vanishing of civilisation on earth is, IIRC, a couple of days. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:36 utc | 121 Ghost of Zanon | Jan 5 2025 16:29 utc | 47 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 5 2025 22:36 utc | 122 Posted by: Ed4 | Jan 5 2025 21:02 utc | 103 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 5 2025 22:41 utc | 123 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 22:30 utc | 120 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 22:43 utc | 124 @Rythmic slang. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 5 2025 22:45 utc | 125 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:36 utc | 122 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 22:51 utc | 126 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 5 2025 22:45 utc | 126 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 5 2025 22:54 utc | 127 @ x | Jan 5 2025 22:54 utc | 128 Posted by: boneless | Jan 5 2025 22:58 utc | 128 Melaleuca | Jan 5 2025 22:45 utc | 126– Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:36 utc | 122 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 23:04 utc | 130 Posted by: x | Jan 5 2025 22:54 utc | 128 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 5 2025 23:07 utc | 131 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 13:28 utc | 1 Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 5 2025 23:08 utc | 132 That Trump/Russian election interference narrative was proven false a few years ago. No one believes it anymore. Posted by: Afro | Jan 5 2025 23:11 utc | 133 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 22:36 utc | 122 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:15 utc | 134 Posted by: x | Jan 5 2025 23:17 utc | 138 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 5 2025 23:24 utc | 136 confirm your ideological certainties. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 23:25 utc | 137 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 22:43 utc | 125 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 23:29 utc | 138 I think the real question is how stupid does one have to be to waste time looking at anything on CNN or the dumbass? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 23:32 utc | 139 It is amazing how strong Ukrainian army still is in spite of the all losses. Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 5 2025 23:36 utc | 140 What do you hope to achieve by raking over old coals? Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:39 utc | 141 TJ&The Bear@2114 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 23:42 utc | 142 Wasn’t me! But please B, can we waive the sock puppeting clause for varga’s mom? Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:49 utc | 143 In this context, I would like to remark in passing that Comrade Stalin would know what to do now. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 5 2025 23:50 utc | 144 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:39 utc | 145 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 5 2025 23:51 utc | 145 Posted by: x | Jan 5 2025 23:50 utc | 149 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:52 utc | 146 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:39 utc | 145 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:54 utc | 147 Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2025 21:29 utc | 106 Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2025 23:54 utc | 148 Don’t even know him or his substack, but a war, or a SMO, has these things (wont even mention gaza where it’s hitting 150 journalists) Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:58 utc | 149 Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2025 23:54 utc | 154 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 6 2025 0:02 utc | 150 Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2025 21:29 utc | 106 Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2025 0:03 utc | 151 Waste time *looking at* when it is right there in big bold face print? I check Drudge and CNN for news on weather events and a high level take on what’s going on. The Express piece was linked at the former this morning. Ron Unz would probably tell you that he does the same, including the NYT. Same for Chomsky on the left. One does have to hold up a thumb to the wind to know for sure which direction it’s blowing – even if it’s moving in the “wrong” direction. But yeah, I don’t read Express (and never knew it was called the “dumbass” derisively, but that’s accurate). Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 6 2025 0:07 utc | 152 Not a us or for that mater 5 eyes citizen or even regional power level so lesser guilt to deal with. Lucky me Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2025 0:08 utc | 153 Russia has no exit strategy from Ukraine. Not even a ceasefire is possible. It is likely to continue on as a quagmire for decades ahead, where Ukraine becomes more like Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Iraq where Russia cannot remove itself from the nightmare it has created as it continues to drain it’s limited resources and cash reserves. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 6 2025 0:08 utc | 154 @ x | Jan 6 2025 0:10 utc | 162 Posted by: boneless | Jan 6 2025 0:14 utc | 155 I considered Trump to be the greater evil, and I voted, with great reluctance, for Biden. Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 6 2025 0:17 utc | 156 Wrote this a few days ago. Came across the kremlin statement on it just now so decided to post it. Posted by: Rhymerez | Jan 6 2025 0:21 utc | 157 Not a us or for that mater 5 eyes citizen or even regional power level so lesser guilt to deal with. Lucky me Posted by: Newbie | Jan 6 2025 0:21 utc | 158 Said the shallow ignorant fool who cannot think straight. You are the dumb Troll, not I. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 6 2025 0:22 utc | 159 Russia has no exit strategy from Ukraine. Not even a ceasefire is possible. It is likely to continue on as a quagmire for decades ahead, where Ukraine becomes more like Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Iraq where Russia cannot remove itself from the nightmare it has created as it continues to drain it’s limited resources and cash reserves. Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2025 0:25 utc | 160 x | Jan 5 2025 23:50 utc | 149 Posted by: Rhymerez | Jan 6 2025 0:31 utc | 161 Can we please stop using vargas as everyone’s punching ball for the night? Posted by: persiflo | Jan 6 2025 0:31 utc | 162 The discussion on what damage the inert warheads did is somewhat irrelevant(even tho it appears they did do significant damage) The real message was that all the hardened places can be hit at once with the big bombs. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 6 2025 0:32 utc | 163 America with NATO and the global financial system and trade realities are not going anywhere. Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia are not a fifth column in the Europe. The future for Russia (while the Ukraine drain continues for years is a slow drip to Government bankruptcy-unless they completely change their approach and get real about the existential threats they are facing. BRICS is an impotent Barfly. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 6 2025 0:32 utc | 164 An acceptable truce and enough guarantees so RF can stop (even for a decade, what comes after is probably a magnitude worse but maybe I’m wrong and it’s not inevitable) Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 6 2025 0:33 utc | 165 America with NATO and the global financial system and trade realities are not going anywhere. Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia are not a fifth column in the Europe. The future for Russia (while the Ukraine drain continues for years is a slow drip to Government bankruptcy-unless they completely change their approach and get real about the existential threats they are facing. BRICS is an impotent Barfly. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Jan 6 2025 0:37 utc | 166 Ed | Jan 5 2025 23:54 utc | 154 Posted by: Rhymerez | Jan 6 2025 0:38 utc | 167 Can we please stop using vargas as everyone’s punching ball for the night? Posted by: Newbie | Jan 6 2025 0:38 utc | 168 An acceptable truce and enough guarantees so RF can stop (even for a decade, what comes after is probably a magnitude worse, but maybe I’m wrong, and it’s not inevitable) Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2025 0:40 utc | 169 TDS was initially diagnosed as being a disease of their followers, later it became more well known in being those just as virulently against them. Posted by: Rhymerez | Jan 6 2025 0:41 utc | 170 Posted by: x | Jan 6 2025 0:23 utc | 169 Posted by: Fyador | Jan 6 2025 0:42 utc | 171 Posted by: x | Jan 6 2025 0:23 utc | 169 Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Jan 6 2025 0:44 utc | 172 I do not take you seriously. So there’s that. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 6 2025 0:47 utc | 173 Yes, Newbie, the world is truly screwed up, but I do not think that 10 years is enough time for Russia to recuperate. Perhaps 20 or 30, a lot can change in that time. Still, why put it off till tomorrow? The conclusion is inevitable anyway? Russia’s arms industries are up and going today, I think it is the West that wants a breather, which means they are on the back foot. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 6 2025 0:51 utc | 174 Screwdriver | Jan 6 2025 0:07 utc | 158 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 6 2025 0:51 utc | 175 Posted by: vargas’s mum | Jan 5 2025 23:43 utc | 147 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 6 2025 0:52 utc | 176 That Trump/Russian election interference narrative was proven false a few years ago. No one believes it anymore. Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2025 0:57 utc | 177 BRICS is an impotent Barfly. Posted by: Rhymerez | Jan 6 2025 0:59 utc | 178 Posted by: x | Jan 6 2025 0:53 utc | 189 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jan 6 2025 1:02 utc | 179 An acceptable truce and enough guarantees so RF can stop (even for a decade, what comes after is probably a magnitude worse but maybe I’m wrong and it’s not inevitable) Posted by: Newbie | Jan 6 2025 1:03 utc | 180 Russians who survived the 1990s know exactly who that man felt inside. After what they went through they do not like what they are seeing from their leadership today. This will not end well. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 6 2025 1:04 utc | 181 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:15 utc | 137 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2025 1:07 utc | 182 Sun Of Alabama | Jan 6 2025 1:02 utc | 192 Posted by: Rhymerez | Jan 6 2025 1:11 utc | 183 This is partially because politics has superseded military decision making, Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 6 2025 1:12 utc | 184 I do not believe the UAF have any viable options left. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 6 2025 1:13 utc | 185 Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 17:51 utc | 66 Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 6 2025 1:23 utc | 186 Putin will be remembered as the monster who killed 600,000 Ukrainian men, not Neonazis but innocent cannon fodder sent to the eastern front to be slaughtered. Mostly Ethnic Russians, who have left behind distraught, impoverished families all over Ukraine and their many relatives in Russia. Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2025 1:23 utc | 187 Posted by: Suresh | Jan 6 2025 1:13 utc | 198 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 6 2025 1:23 utc | 188 Why is it that during the early stages of the utc timescape, there is an overabundance of Xercises in futility along with mutual mental masturbation? If anyone has a clue or a cue to this phenomenon please let me know. Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 6 2025 1:30 utc | 189 But feel free to prove I think otherwise my Dear Mindreading Expert. Posted by: Fyador | Jan 6 2025 1:37 utc | 190 $ean the Leper@1609 Dec 5 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jan 6 2025 1:37 utc | 191 Obama, not Trump, but then you said you voted for Biden, so technically, you did vote for Obama! Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2025 1:38 utc | 192 “Posted by: vargas’s mum | Jan 5 2025 23:43 utc | 147 …..None of their predictions have come true. Same as it ever was. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Jan 6 2025 1:49 utc | 194 Posted by: x | Jan 6 2025 1:42 utc | 210 Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2025 1:51 utc | 195 …..None of their predictions have come true. Same as it ever was. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 6 2025 1:55 utc | 196 I am expecting an Oreshniki bombing soon. Posted by: wp007 | Jan 6 2025 1:58 utc | 197 I am expecting an Oreshniki bombing soon. Posted by: wp007 | Jan 6 2025 2:00 utc | 198 I am expecting an Oreshniki bombing soon. Posted by: wp007 | Jan 6 2025 2:01 utc | 199 |
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