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January 5, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-002
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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What is the deal with this shit, which is plastered all over CNN, Drudge and all the usual tabloids today? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 13:28 utc | 1 They deployed two tanks and a dozen APC’s. ……..that’s it? Kind of underwhelming. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 5 2025 13:38 utc | 2 It would appear that the Ukrainians are not satisfied with the speed of their internal collapse and have decided to speed it up some more with a push near Berdino. While certainly a desperate gamble to improve their position before Trump takes office, it’s equally certain to fail with high casualties and appears to be based on the misguided assumption Russia needs negotiations. Russia is ready for negotiation, but will equally just murder the press-ganged Ukrainians all the way to Lvov if needed. They’re not in what I would call a bargaining mood. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 13:44 utc | 3 For Ukraine soldiers are expendable. So from their point of view one last offensive before January 20th nothing to lose. On the upside they could improve their negotiating positions First time poster Posted by: Rick O’Shay | Jan 5 2025 13:57 utc | 5 They chose a clear day for the push, like geniuses. Easily-available reports describe another Turkey shoot, just like the great counteroink of 2023. NATO peacocks doing their best to show us all how utterly stupid and incompetent they are. That is, if you weren’t already convinced..which means you aren’t paying attention. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 14:00 utc | 6 Looks like a great big nothingburger. Sputnik, quoting the Russian Defence Ministry, reports that 2 out of 2 tanks, 1 out of 1 mine-clearing vehicle and 7 out of 12 armoured vehicles destroyed. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 5 2025 14:04 utc | 7 @ Eighthman | Jan 5 2025 13:38 utc | 2 Posted by: boneless | Jan 5 2025 14:08 utc | 8 Oh, the UAF infantry is resilient enough – but the leadership is absolutely inept. Let’s not play pretend, please. From the (Ukrainian) channel Resident today:
Per other reports all three initial columns were annihilated. NATO military strategy and hardware in action. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 14:16 utc | 9 The UAF infantry isn’t suicidal, the incompetent leadership has squandered then uselessly for a variety of reasons. Ordinary people pressed into fighting an unwinnable war for the vanities of the deeply stupid and impossibly greedy. When the front reaches deeper these general staff clowns will be putting on dresses and escaping to their no doubt well prepared bolt holes. Just like their Nazi forebears. What a shit show. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 14:20 utc | 10 Ukraine Weekly Update, 3rd January 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-168 Posted by: The Busker | Jan 5 2025 14:20 utc | 11 Last charge from Ukraine good news for Russia as it is easier to finish them off as compared to trenches. Outdoor mosquito trap tactics. Even Odessa could be on the take The ethnic cleansing of Ukraine accelerates to what end? Posted by: steve | Jan 5 2025 14:28 utc | 13 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 13:44 utc | 3 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 5 2025 14:31 utc | 14 Report from the border of the Kursk region. Posted by: ossi | Jan 5 2025 14:36 utc | 15 I take it as casually ridiculous that they think these incursions into Russia are somehow a good idea. “Casual” because it is not ridiculous enough to be hilarious. On balance they are an assist to Russia. While it isn’t currently lacking, they would otherwise help consolidate support for the Russia internally. That, and they draw needed forces away from other areas. Nobody brings up “NATO trained” anymore. Dropped because it is no longer a automatic good thing. Trained in France is likely worn out also. Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 5 2025 14:36 utc | 16 Telegram message. Posted by: Lese meist nur mit | Jan 5 2025 14:39 utc | 17 Telegram message. It is amazing how strong Ukrainian army still is in spite of the all losses. Posted by: vargas | Jan 5 2025 14:49 utc | 19 So… they have RF troops 2 kms from sudzha and try to break northward, same day as a mi-28 stoped their troop rotation and that they lost a mig-29 to a RF fighter. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 14:53 utc | 20 We got our joke of the day. The same exact joke repeated ad nauseam only makes it funnier, as some say. Posted by: boneless | Jan 5 2025 14:56 utc | 21 Kursk region, operational situation at 16:10 Posted by: ossi | Jan 5 2025 15:02 utc | 22 Patriarch Kirille of Russian Orthodox church in Moscow, called for a 36 hour ceasefire … The thing about these Ukraine incursions into Russia is that in most places the Ukrainians are fight defense in prepared positions. When they go on offense they end up having to abandon these prepared positions. The outcome is going to be heavier troop losses, a common problem with offensive maneuvers generally. For that reason offense, unless it is likely to be successful, should not be done. It only gets troops killed. For that same reason they should not have sustained the 2023 offensive. Once it became apparent that no breakthrough was to be had, they were only wasting equipment and the lives of their troops. Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 5 2025 15:04 utc | 24 !NEW! UKR campaign in Kursk region Posted by: MAKK | Jan 5 2025 15:16 utc | 25 Doctor Eleven@9….good job someone leaked the information otherwise, would the Russians have found them? Especially if they were near bridges. Russia missed the entire Metering Station grab, lost in the power plant forest adventure. Caught em with their pants down. Still haven’t scared them off…..the metering station. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 5 2025 15:20 utc | 26 There can be no doubt that the Ukrainian army tout court is the strongest army Europe has fielded since the Second World War, if this army had been transported to North Africa, all of Libya (and its countless oil fields and gas deposits) would be Europe’s for the taking, with the entirety of the mineral and offshore riches of Western Sahara as a bonus. Instead it’s all wasted suicidally against Russia and thus the EU’s own current and future economic interests. Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 5 2025 15:22 utc | 27 It is amazing how strong Ukrainian army still is in spite of the all losses. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 5 2025 15:22 utc | 28 The point is that the West has so many war plans, so many ways to attack Russia. Posted by: vargas | Jan 5 2025 15:24 utc | 29 I do not understand many things….I do not understand how is this all possible. Posted by: Night Tripper | Jan 5 2025 15:31 utc | 30 Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 5 2025 15:22 utc | 30 Vargas, I will open an exception this time to make a point you seem too dim(a) to understand. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 15:40 utc | 32 @32 vargas Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 15:41 utc | 33 Please, please, please don’t feed the troll!!!! Posted by: Mary | Jan 5 2025 15:45 utc | 34 It is amazing how strong Ukrainian army still is in spite of the all losses. Posted by: vargas | Jan 5 2025 15:49 utc | 35 AFU , and nato, have a lot of options, but only bad ones, waste missiles on civilian targets for propaganda, waste the little equipment on non sequitur attacks, basically they find themselves in Zugzwang, they have to do something but they shouldn’t . Posted by: vargas | Jan 5 2025 15:51 utc | 36 Jmaas@16….we know nothing at all about what objectives are. Right here, for months, the Kursk Adventure was written off as a failed attempt to take the Kursk NPP…..stupid objective, right? It wasn’t even the objective, would have been a cherry on top. Who here at MOA knew a major, the major objective, had been accomplished. Major blunder by Russia considering the contracts coming due, and the importance of the LNG metering station that is now in Ukraine’s possession. Maybe Zman can get Trump to write the intro …..The Art of the Steal. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 5 2025 15:52 utc | 37 The point is that the West has so many war plans, so many ways to attack Russia. Posted by: ossi | Jan 5 2025 15:52 utc | 38 The Russians are not ever going to negotiate about Nazis on Russia soil, or even their borders, so I don’t understand what the Ukrainians think they can gain by another incursion. The Russians will just methodically exterminate the Nazis. Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2025 15:53 utc | 39 No. Posted by: ossi | Jan 5 2025 15:59 utc | 40 Feed 1; the flock will return. 🤬 Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 5 2025 16:04 utc | 41 Please, please, please don’t feed the troll!!!! Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 16:09 utc | 42 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2025 15:53 utc | 42 Posted by: ossi | Jan 5 2025 16:09 utc | 43 Russia’s Plan B, according to Putin, is to eliminate Zman if the Ukies don’t stop conscription and the ‘war thingy’. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha ha. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 5 2025 16:09 utc | 44 @Lese meist nur mit | Jan 5 2025 14:39 utc | 17 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 5 2025 16:13 utc | 45 ossi@46….the Nazi clique, Zionazi clique, truth be told, the Bushes, the Windsor’s, the Freeman’s et al, are already in the west, a WEF zioNazi clique runs the west, owns the west, the East, the South, the North…..the old families still rule….old money still rules. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 5 2025 16:19 utc | 46 Meanwhile, the Russian forces are now closing in on Dnipropetrovsk Oblast (7 km from the nearest point of the line of contact). Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 5 2025 16:29 utc | 47 $ean the Leper@1609 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 16:29 utc | 48
You place outsized importance on that station, which is frankly irrelevant..I really dont understand what straw you are trying to clutch here to paint Kursk as a success. Feel free to elaborate. Perhaps you mean because it helps temporarily fuck up Europe’s energy supplies? How does that help Ukraine? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 16:31 utc | 49 If Russia takes over the territory referred to as Ukraine by the end of 2025, and in doing so captures a territory that is riddled with explosives and weapons, and that is depleted of its historical population and culture, and has accumulated 200,000 casualties, who will have won the war? Posted by: Afro | Jan 5 2025 16:34 utc | 50 Vegass@1551 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 16:37 utc | 51 > There is no Guderian, no Rommels, not a single Zhukov. Posted by: I forgot | Jan 5 2025 16:41 utc | 52 Ghost of Zanon @47: “When they break through into a new Oblast, what kind of shit-fit will Sholz and Biden have?” Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2025 16:48 utc | 53 LoveDonbass@1341 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 16:54 utc | 54 Doctor Eleven@1400 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 17:08 utc | 56 RT Posted by: ossi | Jan 5 2025 17:14 utc | 57 https://t.me/divgen/61246 Posted by: guest | Jan 5 2025 17:16 utc | 58 Russia shot down a MIG 29 Ukraine yesterday…I am very surprised that Ukraine has any planes of that origin left let alone the F16 are any in Ukraine? …..are the French Mirage planes plus 200 trained pilots definitely on their way , in Ukraine already …or are they really are a mirage,? Posted by: Jo | Jan 5 2025 17:21 utc | 59 On the upside they could improve their negotiating positions. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 17:29 utc | 60 Doctor Eleven@1344 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 17:31 utc | 61 In the morning, in the vicinity of Berdin, units of the Main Troops “North” uncovered and destroyed: Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 5 2025 17:36 utc | 62 Russia shot down a MIG 29 Ukraine yesterday…I am very surprised that Ukraine has any planes of that origin left Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 17:37 utc | 63 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 13:28 utc | 1 Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2025 17:39 utc | 64 Such an arrangement would dissolve the Frankenstein Monster while allowing majority residents of each oblast to choose their preferred political entities. One could consider such as outcome as a fairness doctrine…a system where the will of the people would prevail over other less humane and systemic rule from the top retrogressions. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 17:40 utc | 65 The other day I was replying to someone mentioning the arrival of a batch of tanks, and I noticed they were a kurskful, i.e. as many as AFU lost in Kursk . Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 17:51 utc | 66 @ LoveDonbass, §14: Posted by: John Marks | Jan 5 2025 17:53 utc | 67 Posted by: John Marks | Jan 5 2025 17:53 utc | 67 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 5 2025 18:18 utc | 68 Aristodemos- I’m asking that you please take care in your praise of one who would be POTUS, & remember the image of this man’s AR-15-totting family X-mas card ! Like Wilm. F. Buckley, he stays above the hot mess but is IMO a dangerous player. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is exactly ONE “Representative” in the U$$A Congress who does not “sport” an AIPAC monitor in their very offices: Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky. Yes, that MAN is the only member of Congress who has not sold his soul to the Khazarian $hapechangers. Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jan 5 2025 18:18 utc | 69 One of the bizarre detail of this attack so far, is AFU reportedly enabling a heavier than usual EW suppression, thus operating without their own drones (no strike- or reconnaissance-drone footage released from AFU so far). Posted by: boneless | Jan 5 2025 18:20 utc | 70 In a nutshell , nuts shell deep Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 18:28 utc | 71 340? So full August Kursk , with 4 tanks and 40 vehicles will probably be upgraded to 400 killed Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 18:33 utc | 73 @ aristodemos, §61: Posted by: John Marks | Jan 5 2025 18:48 utc | 74 Posted by: John Marks | Jan 5 2025 18:48 utc | 74 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 19:08 utc | 75 Well, i don’t know what ukrops intend to gain with their Kursk adventure, all over again. Posted by: America is defeated | Jan 5 2025 19:16 utc | 76 Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2025 18:29 utc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Magic 8-Ball expired, so I cannot answer your question. Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jan 5 2025 19:19 utc | 78 A better card in future negociations ? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 19:23 utc | 79 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 17:31 utc | 61 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 5 2025 19:34 utc | 80 Mark Sleboda yesterday on Danny Haiphong predicted AUF offensive to be in several directions, with main one directed vs the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, the largest in Europe, that has been attacked so often previously. Taking it would be big propaganda victory for Ukraine and damaging it could be blamed on Russia. Posted by: mjh | Jan 5 2025 19:38 utc | 81 https://rumble.com/v66390m-ukraines-exhausted-army-crumbles-as-west-considers-intervention.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 19:42 utc | 82 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 13:44 utc | 3 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jan 5 2025 19:47 utc | 83 Jams O’Donnell@1934 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 19:48 utc | 85 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 14:00 utc | 6 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jan 5 2025 19:51 utc | 86 There are no cards to be had; it’s all fodder for the narrative as the NATO talks upcoming at Ramstein. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 19:54 utc | 87 Posted by: Afro | Jan 5 2025 16:34 utc | 50 Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 5 2025 19:56 utc | 88 Jmaas@16….we know nothing at all about what objectives are. Right here, for months, the Kursk Adventure was written off as a failed attempt to take the Kursk NPP…..stupid objective, right? It wasn’t even the objective, would have been a cherry on top. Who here at MOA knew a major, the major objective, had been accomplished. Major blunder by Russia considering the contracts coming due, and the importance of the LNG metering station that is now in Ukraine’s possession. Maybe Zman can get Trump to write the intro …..The Art of the Steal. Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 5 2025 19:56 utc | 89 John Marks@1848 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 19:57 utc | 90 Posted by @ Eighthman | Jan 5 2025 13:38 utc | 2 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jan 5 2025 20:01 utc | 91 We do not know what the objectives were, but we do know what the possibilities are based on what is in the region. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 20:02 utc | 92 TJ&TheBear@1740 Dec 5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 20:03 utc | 93 Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 5 2025 15:22 utc | 28 Posted by: Milites | Jan 5 2025 20:07 utc | 94 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 5 2025 20:03 utc | 93 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 20:08 utc | 95 A factor to possibly consider is that a rump Galician/Uniate state is going to be pretty economically impoverished and unable to afford much in the way of grandiose military gestures. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 5 2025 20:31 utc | 96 The AFU with NATO assistance is throwing everything against the wall these days trying to make something stick. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 5 2025 20:36 utc | 97 No. Posted by: Stierlitz | Jan 5 2025 20:37 utc | 98 So, in addition to @TJandTheBear’s comments about a limited policing force, we could see Russia insisting on constitutional and legislative restrictions covering the activities of NGOs. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 5 2025 20:46 utc | 99 @ Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 14:20 utc | 10 Posted by: fnord | Jan 5 2025 20:46 utc | 100 |
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