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January 14, 2025
Trump’s Action Demonstrates Biden’s Failure In Stopping The Genocide

The current phase of the genocide in Gaza might soon come to an end.

The resistance has continued to kill its occupiers day by day:

Five Israel Defense Forces soldiers were killed and 10 were wounded in an explosion in northern Gaza on Monday, the military said, raising Israel’s toll in over 15 months of fighting in the Strip to 407.

It has steadily increased the pressure on the Israeli government to finally end the slaughter. It is looking likely that it has now achieved one of its aims:

Hamas has accepted a draft agreement for a Gaza ceasefire and the release of hostages, officials sayAP News

Hamas has accepted a draft agreement for a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip and the release of dozens of hostages, two officials involved in the talks said Tuesday. Mediator Qatar said Israel and the Palestinian militant group were at the “closest point” yet to sealing a deal.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the proposed agreement, and an Egyptian official and a Hamas official confirmed its authenticity. An Israeli official said progress has been made, but the details are being finalized. The plan would need to be submitted to the Israeli Cabinet for final approval.

The deal, about a hostage exchange and ceasefire, is similar to one that has been on offer since many, many month ago. That deal had been agreed to by Hamas but was sabotaged again and again by Netanyahoo and his coalition allies:

National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir sparked outcry Monday when he claimed he had repeatedly foiled a hostage-ceasefire deal with Hamas over the past year, while calling on Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to join him in thwarting an emerging agreement.

In a post on X, together with a video in which he called on far-right ally Smotrich to join him in telling Netanyahu that they would bolt the coalition if the current hostage deal proposal went through, Ben Gvir said that they have managed to stop previous efforts to reach an agreement.

“In the last year, using our political power, we managed to prevent this deal from going ahead, time after time,” he wrote.

However, Ben Gvir said he now lacks the power to stop what he termed the “surrender deal” because Netanyahu expanded the coalition by bringing in Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar’s New Hope party in September last year.

Aside from Ben Gvir's and Smotrich's resistance to a deal, it was Netanyahoo personally who was blocking a deal with the hope of assuring his own political survival.

Over fifteen months the Biden administration falsely claimed that it was Hamas which was blocking a deal over Gaza. It falsely claimed that it could not use any pressure against Netanyahoo to finally accept an agreement.

That was of course nonsense as it is the U.S. which was and is financing Netanyahoo's war. 

It only took a few hours and some brashness from Donald Trump to push Netanyahoo towards concessions.

As Haaretz writes (archived):

Last Friday evening, Steven Witkoff, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's Middle East envoy, called from Qatar to tell Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's aides that he would be coming to Israel the following afternoon. The aides politely explained that was in the middle of the Sabbath but that the prime minister would gladly meet him Saturday night.

Witkoff's blunt reaction took them by surprise. He explained to them in salty English that Shabbat was of no interest to him. His message was loud and clear. Thus in an unusual departure from official practice, the prime minister showed up at his office for an official meeting with Witkoff, who then returned to Qatar to seal the deal.

Other Israeli media add:

Two officials familiar with the latest ceasefire push told The Times of Israel on Monday that Trump’s Mideast envoy held a “tense” meeting with Netanyahu on Saturday, during which the former leaned hard on the Israeli premier to accept compromises necessary to secure a hostage deal by the January 20 US presidential inauguration.

Witkoff’s pressure on Netanyahu appeared to have had an effect, with the two officials familiar with the negotiations saying that key gaps were filled in the talks over the weekend.

Should the deal go through the members of the Biden administration will falsely claim that it was their achievement. It was not. It was them who had for over a year enabled Netanyahoo to proceed with the genocide.

In fact there are still attempts by the Biden/Blinken duo to give Netanyahoo an excuse and reason to sabotage a deal:

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken will unveil a plan for the post-war management of Gaza in a speech on Tuesday that has been the subject of internal divisions within the Biden administration, according to a US official.

The plan Blinken is slated to unveil envisions a reformed PA leading the post-war governance of Gaza in what would create a pathway to an eventual two-state solution.

But the fear from some in the administration is that the speech will end up serving Netanyahu’s political interests, while marginalizing the PA and its President Mahmoud Abbas, Axios reported.

The US official speaking to The Times of Israel said that Netanyahu could end up using the plan as an excuse to blow up the hostage negotiations by arguing that the talks are being used to allow the PA to gain a foothold in Gaza once the war is over.

As Axios summarizes:

The bottom line: "Blinken wants to try and shape the outcome of the war and he will make clear in his speech how he thinks Israel can turn its tactical wins against Hamas into strategic gains," a U.S. official said.

The genocide enablers of the Biden administration are on their way out. The new administration will probably have stopped the genocide even before it enters its office. In this case elections did matter.

But stopping the genocide does not make a Trump administration less friendly to Israel's greed for extension. In whatever may follow a ceasefire we can be sure that Trump will (again) take Israel's side.

Comments

I think this is all just narrative for Trump to exploit. Hides Netanyahu’s deal with Knesset Opposition for his ‘security’ so he no longer needs Smotrich/Gvir etc to keep him in power. Hides that Israel has been suffering significant losses in Gaza, are possibly scared by Yemen’s escalatory activity, & are seriously overstretched, along with internal social unrest & they need to regroup for possible further clashes with Lebanon/Iran etc as they have been repositioning via Syria.
Also something that many Trump supporters back home want to believe in sooooo bad. Trump will come up with something as ‘payment’ for Israel, eg agree to full annexation of West Bank and/or pressure for mass Palestinian expulsion.

Posted by: Rain | Jan 15 2025 1:07 utc | 101

Addendum… The Zionists are fully aware that Israel, under ages-old international law, is not a state. Hence, they insist that Israel be referred to as “the State of Israel”, as if so saying makes it a state. One never says, for example, “the State of Italy” or “the State of India”, only “the State of Israel”. When Israeli officials appear before the cameras in a setting that will be picked up by non-Israeli media, it is always in front of a wall on which appears over and over again, like a wall-paper design, “State of Israel”. This is obviously intended to drive home to foreign audiences that Israel is, indeed, a “state”.

Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 15 2025 1:11 utc | 102

As Youssef Fares once noted previously, it is dangerous to show less caution before any change of circumstance actualy occurs. He decided to steer clear of reporting on most of the ceasefire talks because it created false impressions and confused presentation, causing damage to the moral of those in Gaza (i.e an occupation psyop). He occasionally reports important waypoints only. Here we have a similar warning from Journalist Hossam Shabat:
“To all our beloved ones,
we call upon you in these last hours and days to preserve yourselves and adhere to the shelters, and avoid going out except for extreme necessity. It is noticeable that the occupation army is intensifying its raids on defenseless citizens in the streets, targeting the innocent and trying to snatch our joy.
We appeal to you to intensify your prayers, and we ask God to protect all our people and grant us safety and peace.”

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 1:17 utc | 103

It appears that discussions here at MoA will split between pro-MAGA posters and anti-MAGA posters on issues like Gaza and a Free Palestine. That is not to be confused with pro-Democratic Party posters; there are few here, and most are Trolls. The issues that divide the real barflies seem more about left and right, or even the far left and the far right’s visions of what the world should look like and how to apply those ideas to current events.
Before it gets nasty here, I would just like to say that it was interesting to hear some outstanding arguments coming from the pro-MAGA side about Bidens proxy war in Ukraine and his support for the genocide in Gaza. There seemed to be (outside of the trolls) a certain cohesiveness regarding our rejection of all things Biden and the Democratic Party’s failures. I suspect this was possible because many on the left (me included) came to MoA because we could no longer stomach the behavior of the Democratic Party, their policies, and their selected Presidents over the last 20 or so years. Naturally, the right didn’t cotton to the Democrats and Joe Biden either, primarily for ideological reasons: The question is, will the pro-MAGA disapprove of Trump’s behavior if he also behaves like Biden in Israel and Ukraine?
Now that Trump is back in office, I suspect the tide will turn, and we will soon have many opportunities to judge President Trump for his policies for the future. I am not optimistic, but I will try to keep an open mind. I will be as critical as I was about Joe Biden towards Trump; I wonder if that will apply to the pro-Trumpers hare at MoA as well.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2025 1:18 utc | 104

Remember when we all thought that the entire Muslim World would come to aid the Paleshitians?
Boy were we wrong!
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 14 2025 16:50 utc | 21
NO! It was obvious to any student of history that no aid would be forthcoming.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 15 2025 1:29 utc | 105

Regarding Israeli losses, in August already, The Times of India was reporting that the Israeli social services, which oversee services to injured veterans (there being no equivalent of the U.S. Veterans Administration) were reporting that they had some 70,000 ( ! ) veterans disabled for life and expected the number to rise to 90,000 by the end of the year.
It is IMPOSSIBLE that the armed Palestinians have caused such injuries. The only explanation is that the use of uranium-based weapons (attested to in the inventories of arms delivered to Israel) are doing to the IDF exactly what the depleted uranium anti-tank penetrators did to the U.S. armed forced members in the 1991 Gulf War, but writ large.
The anti-tank penetrators are a meter long and weigh five kilos. After they’ve burned, there is roughly five kilos of mostly microscopic uranium dust, radioactive for 22 billion years.
The weapons Israel is using are MK84s, 900 kilos, of which some 740 are uranium. These are the bombs that explode with a brilliant orange/yellow flash. As the warhead shatters (all the better to burn) one can see in the videos the sparks flying and the black uranium particles rising on the updraft.
Uranium burns at up to 5,000°C.
The first hospital courtyard hit, in October 2023, had at least 500 people sheltering there. The hospital subsequently reported that they treated some 200. Since the shrapnel marks on the wall surrounding the yard were at four to eight meters above ground level, it was obviously a thermobaric bomb (also called an air-burst bomb and nick-named the “daisy cutter” — from Vietnam days, used to create clearings the in the jungle that could be used as helicopter pads). It is thus to be assumed that the unmentioned ~300 persons could not at all have escaped such a blast. If they were not treated, it was because they were vaporized by the colossal heat of the blast.
It is certain that many of the people assumed to be buried under the rubble are not buried at all but have been similarly vaporized
The particles have been (“off the record”) found in the air monitoring station at Aldermaston, southwest of London (set up to monitor air quality after Chernobyl).

Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 15 2025 1:32 utc | 106

Ed | Jan 15 2025 1:18 utc | 111

The question is, will the pro-MAGA disapprove of Trump’s behavior if he also behaves like Biden in Israel and Ukraine?

It’s certainly going to be interesting. Remember all those ‘left-liberal’ types that abandoned the antiwar struggle as soon as it was Obama’s finger on the button rather than Dubya’s? Keep reminding any MAGA turncoats of that example as being compared to an insipid Obama worshipper is probably the worst insult they can imagine.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jan 15 2025 1:47 utc | 107

Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 15 2025 1:11 utc | 109
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Good point, re “state.”
Worth repeating as necessary.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 15 2025 1:57 utc | 108

Prisoners, not hostages. Hostages are kidnapped regularly by the zionist and held in concentration camps indefinitely and arbitrarily.
Although nice to know you realize the futility [and stupidity] of democracy voting. Like the EU proves continuously.

Posted by: Sal | Jan 15 2025 1:59 utc | 109

Btw, Russians did not stop until complete defeat of their adversaries. 26 million Russians later. Probably a small reason for all that “loyalty” you suggest no one understands but you.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 15 2025 0:58 utc | 105
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No, Trubind1, I suggested that the families, lovers, and friends of twenty-six million dead Russians and Soviets understood the reasons and remained loyal to their sacrifices. Every year, Russia honors the World War II dead on June 22, which is known as the Day of Remembrance and Sorrow.
Also, back to Hamas, I would argue that Hamas has already won in more ways than you can imagine:
First, by continuing to fight after more than a year against the self-proclaimed most powerful military in the world: The USA and Israel.
Second, by forcing the world to look at Israel and see that it is a fake nation built on genocide.
Thirdly, they moved the ICC and ICJ to declare and confirm number two.
Fourthly, the ICJ has declared that Israel’s occupation of Palestine is itself a violation of international law.
Fifthly, Hamas forced the USA to present to the world its true nature as an Imperialist Power and its dictatorial control over the UN via the veto.
I would say that is quite a victory… wouldn’t you?

Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2025 2:04 utc | 110

@ Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 15 2025 1:00 utc | 106
that is how i see it too… this is a flirt over a possible temporary break in their horrible actions… if they were to actually seek peace, it would look very different then it looks here.. the history tells the story.. unless they turn away from this history – nothing changes..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2025 2:06 utc | 111

The question is, will the pro-MAGA disapprove of Trump’s behavior if he also behaves like Biden in Israel and Ukraine?. . .
Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2025 1:18 utc | 111
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I question your premise that “pro-Trump” = “pro-MAGA.”
At least here at MoA.
I think there are many who are pro-Trump because they see in him a slight hope of a change in a number of policies that are driving the USA down. One of them in is the Gaza genocide, but there are others.
I myself have been labeled a “Trump cultist” because of a comment I made that someone jumped on because he was looking for “Trump cultists.” He had simply not read my comment carefully, nor thought before he started typing and hit “send.” There was silence after I challenged him as to what the hell was his problem.
So, I think there are those with a form of TDS who spend their time looking for signs of “Trump cultism.” Those Karen cousins should find something else to do with their time besides eagerly monitoring other commenters for signs of Trump cultism to pounce on.
I expect most MoA commenters to wait and see what Trump actually does, and how barflies actually react. While you are waiting, you could read a good book.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 15 2025 2:10 utc | 112

It’s certainly going to be interesting. Remember all those ‘left-liberal’ types that abandoned the antiwar struggle as soon as it was Obama’s finger on the button rather than Dubya’s? Keep reminding any MAGA turncoats of that example as being compared to an insipid Obama worshipper is probably the worst insult they can imagine.
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jan 15 2025 1:47 utc | 114
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I am not talking about “left liberals,” that is a fucking oxymoron that tells me what you know about the subject. Liberals and Maga are the same while being polar opposites on issues. They both believe that a two-party State, where both parties are controlled by the capitalist ruling class, is a democracy. LOL!
I am talking about here at MoA and how real barflies respond to each other after Trump is back in office. By the way, how long have you posted to MoA?

Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2025 2:21 utc | 113

Fuck MAGA. Fuck all those assholes. They can’t bother to stop sucking Netanyahu’s weiner. Let them all rot.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 15 2025 2:27 utc | 114

i cannot imagine that either Trump or Biden give a damn about the genocide of the Palestinians. If the Pals. disappeared like American Indians, Australian Abos, etc., so that they don’t have to think about them anymore, a LOT of Westerners, whether Left, Right, Up, Down or Sideways, would be happy.
Be honest, when was the last time YOU gave a moment’s thought to the efforts of the Sioux to regain control of the Black Hills, in accord with the treaty of 1876?

Posted by: lester | Jan 15 2025 2:32 utc | 115

I expect most MoA commenters to wait and see what Trump actually does, and how barflies actually react. While you are waiting, you could read a good book.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 15 2025 2:10 utc | 119
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Jane, I respect your point of view about Trump. Like you, I hope Trump proves to be a better leader than Joe and Obama and I did not hold back on them. Time will tell, but as I said, based on his first term, I am not optimistic. I don’t jump on pro-Trumper or MAGAs until they jump on me or attack my values.
You were one of the barflies that I respected and still do. Now, what books do you recommend?

Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2025 2:34 utc | 116

Americans have had their fun,
Now they have to pay.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2025 2:36 utc | 117

Study Finds Israeli Bullets and Bombs Likely Killed Over 60,000 Palestinians in Gaza
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/01/14/fcnl-j14.html
“…The latest study underscores that the death toll is the product of a deliberate campaign to kill as many civilians as possible in order to break the resistance of the Palestinian people to the illegal occupation of Gaza.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 3:33 utc | 118

Ideologies are (in themselves) only imaginary.
Individuals, whether they be officeholders, oligarchs, criminals, or buffoons, are trivial and transitory. All the speculation concerning their “thoughts” and “intentions” explains nothing.
The actual historical outcomes which so affect and afflict us are obviously rooted in enormous processes and massive structures, all of which were already in place before anyone here was born.

Posted by: bongholder | Jan 15 2025 3:44 utc | 119

Ceasefire Or Not, Palestinian Liberation is Inevitable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uVgVrwGwM8
“Rania Khalek hosts a special episode of Dispatches with Ali Abunimah, executive director of Electronic Intifada and author of ‘The Battle For Justice in Palestine.”
Why the West is Wrong About Hamas
https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-west-is-wrong-about-hamas/50294
“Abu Shanab, a US-educated engineer, was one of the most senior leaders of Hamas when I met him in 1998 in Gaza. That conversation – along with other personal encounters I have had with leaders of the movement, deepened my understanding of Hamas…”
Palestinian Journalist Destroys Western Media’s Complicity in Genocide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwAE8jif_v4
Please feel free, as I have done, to forward this powerful statement to your favourite pro-Zionist, lying liar, genocide accomplice.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 4:34 utc | 120

RJPJR@111 Dec 15
How bout we call that entity the State of Isn’tSanity? If the U$$A has a clinically insane cult-sure; would it not be apt to call that screwed up tail which wags the designated Attack Dog the State of I$n’tSanity.
After all, when more half their population contends that those Muslim and Christian descendant indigenous peoples of Palestine are “Amelek”, a description of their intended victims from some musty old book their leaders dreamt up in Alexandria some 2,200 years ago….their level of sanity is highly questionable.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2025 4:36 utc | 121

Why the West is Wrong About Hamas
https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-west-wrong-about-hamas/50294

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 4:40 utc | 122

Why the West is Wrong About Hamas
https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-west-wrong-about-hamas/50294

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 4:42 utc | 123

Interesting times. lol
Fun fact from the real world. Way back when the so called “Two State Solution”. Was granted in principle.
Back to reality of the era . Not one person in the then rabble of assorted ruling and much smaller ruling elite of this blighted stolen land “Completely Fake Demoraky” in the “Middle East’ ! A country with the largest imprisoned/disenfranchised native residents post 1967.
Was aware of the bountiful carbon polluting Natural Gas source. Was contained within the Gaza Strip coastal sea bed.
In the year 2024 the world surpassed the one point five degree limit. !

Posted by: BadDealMotorsOn | Jan 15 2025 4:45 utc | 124

Roger Boyd
You want to derail this thread.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 14 2025 19:39 utc | 61
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If the thread is going in the direction of Mark2 then best it is derailed.

Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 15 2025 5:11 utc | 125

If Israel abides by the ceasefire it will only be because Trump has demanded it do so to make Biden and co., look useless and to make Trump and co. look good.
Since it was Trump who with no legal basis told the Israelis they could keep the Golan Heights in Syria and Jerusalem, in Occupied Palestine, we can assume that he has told Naziyahoo that if he plays the temporary game he will be able to annexe the rest of Occupied Palestine, which they call the West Bank and eventually get Gaza.
It is all game-playing. The Palestinian Resistance has defeated Israel in Gaza and with more than 4 million in Occupied Palestine, quite how the Israelis think they can exterminate them given how long it takes, as they learned in Gaza is the question. Genocide is such a bad look and more so when you are murdering and maiming children. Israel will never be forgiven for this slaughter and neither will the US which made it possible.
Or Trump might surprise everyone and tell the shitraelis to screw themselves and behave. Or pigs might fly.
All that is certain is that Trump is playing his own game and if it continues to contain commitment to shitrael, then the Palestinians will be sacrificed as they have been for 76 years.
However, the US has its own problems and Trump first and foremost has to make things work for Americans. Already more than half Americans resent the money poured into shitrael and don’t actually care what happens to Israel, and that includes a lot of Jews who now realise the Zionist State is their greatest threat.
Governments may dictate policy until the public makes them rethink and even mainstream media in an age of citizen journalism and social media cannot produce enough propaganda to prevent the voice of the people being heard.
We live in hope anyway.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 15 2025 5:23 utc | 126

The civilian survivors of the 2023/4 Israeli genocide and their children’s children will remember the Hamas freedom fighters as heroes for centuries to come. Palestinians will sing songs and write poetry about Hamas. Who will do that for you, turbind1?
Posted by: Ed
Well said. The Palestinians have demonstrated to the world nobility of spirit, grace and immense courage in surviving 76 years of one of the most sadistically cruel and bestially savage military colonial occupations in history.
Humans can endure anything when they have right on their side and are fighting for their homeland, freedom and justice.
Israel cannot exterminate 8 million Palestinians, 6 million under occupation and 2 million as second-class citizens in what is called Israel. And if they did, there are another 8 million Palestinians in the Diaspora ready to take their place. Oy vey, what a problem. So little time and so many to kill.
Israel needed the support of the world to survive and it no longer has it. Even the US will dump them if it is a choice between the survival of the American State and the survival of the Zionist State. The US might like its military base in the Middle East but it does not need it.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 15 2025 5:28 utc | 127

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 15 2025 2:27 utc | 122
1000+

Posted by: pepe | Jan 15 2025 6:20 utc | 128

55, 57,66, 70, 72. Hamas has always been available for a ceasefire. Hamas’ terms have remained mostly consistent throughout the past years’ negotiation exercises. Return of Israeli- held hostages exchange always to the benefit of Hamas to get back Resistance supporters and fighters even if some can only serve to give Palestinian families opportunity to embrace their loved ones. As long as the exchange is proportionate to the number of hostages held. Some Resistance fighters held hostage by Hamas will be particularly welcome and other heros like doctors and medical workers. The morale and the fortitude of the Palestinian people will be greatly boosted. The Israhell soldiers will not get away with overseeing the celebrations of the Palestinians and re-arresting of the recently released Palestine hostages as they did right after the last ceasefire. The exchange value of Israeli hostages for Hamas may grow less over time, as more die and increasing difficulty of keeping them alive. I hear about Israelis wanting bodies of the dead back — surely the dead not as valuable as the living.
It does appear Hamas has had to concede to some territory lost and some corridors across Gaza to be patrolled by Israeli army. Also army to require proof that Palestinians crossing have ‘legitimate’ reasons (return to their homes). This was contested by Hamas? and I am not sure if it will be part of the ceasefire. True, some more compartmentalization of Gazans, but better to have the Israhell soldiers in smaller strips and the bombing and widespread destruction stopped and most of the murder rampages by Israhell soldiers. Just as they will be able to control movement of Palestinians, location of Israhell soldiers will also be visible.
I don’t know if my vision of what the ceasefire will look like is accurate, if it happens, as I pray it will. And, the question of what exactly Trump will do if Israhell violates it.
CEASEFIRE NOW

Posted by: Lavieja | Jan 15 2025 6:55 utc | 129

The Hours Preceeding a Ceasefire Have Always Been Commonly Known by Gazans as the ‘Hours of Revenge’
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1879391400237654080
“…The Israeli Army attempts to inflict maximum damage in the shortest time. It does this to satiate the bloodlust Israeli society experiences when it realizes ‘total victory (read: extermination) is elusive.”
Ceasefire or Not…
https://x.com/capassomat/status/1879229722284155366
“Ceasefire or not. These 465 days have shown the world that the core values of Zionism are depravity and murder, backed entirely by the West.
The world will be a better place when Zionist barbarians will be defeated, arrested and locked up.”
Israeli Nazis Use Dogs to Attack Toddler
https://x.com/norabf/status/1879234089133412602
“An Israeli military dog attacked 3-year-old Omar Abu Taleb and refused to let go in his family home near Jenin in the northern occupied West Bank as Israeli soldiers stood by without intervening.”
‘You Will Forever Be Known As ‘Bloody Blinken!’
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1879195094387171677
“US Secretary of State [& Israel’s American Jewish lawyer) gets heckled and yelled at by protesters.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 7:18 utc | 130

I will likely play no role at all in any of this but it is clear to see that zionism will have to be physically crushed and eradicated worldwide in every country on every continent if humans want to have a chance at survival.
No prize for seeing where this will end otherwise.
The genocide has already taken place and can not be undone by any political nonsense from anyone anywhere.
The US had no face to save, the same can not be said for Russia and China who now in their inaction has contributed to the destruction of the convention on genocide as well as the UN charter and the international claims of adherence to human rights. They have thrown that away.
China and Russia and many others (although not absolutely all) have acted in support of zionism, if nothing else then by extreme inaction and deliberate obfuscation.
That’s where we are.
Do whatever you think you can, if nothing else do your best to resist their ceaseless lies. Don’t tear yourself apart.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 15 2025 7:28 utc | 131

Col Larry Wilkerson: Israel’s Self-Destructive Path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCVqsyZJgHc
“My worst fear is that we go back to the status-quo ante…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 8:17 utc | 132

The British Telegraph has a nice photo of the “salty” Steven Witkoff. Enjoy!

How Trump’s ‘salty’ envoy may have forced Israel’s hand on hostage deal
‘Aggressive businessman’ Steven Witkoff shakes up year-long negotiations and the pressure is on Netanyahu to agree ceasefire with Hamas
The call last week from Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy was reportedly blunt and short on diplomatic nicety..

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 15 2025 8:37 utc | 133

Despite the overall continuity of US foreign policy, call it the permanent state, deep state, or whatever, this move by Trump shows discontinuity, and reflects how much the Biden policy was shaped by the Blinken-Sullivan camp. Hilary has heaped endless praise for Sullivan, with whom she has had lonstanding connections. Sullivan was in effect an agent of the Hilary camp.
Also, on a personal level, Trump despises Netanyahoo, so that is one factor in this move by Trump. And this would also be a domestic political win for Trump since he can score points on the anti-genocide front. I must admit I am surprised, because Trump took 100 million from ultra-Zionists Miriam Adelson. so I thought he would more or less continue the Biden policy. That said, we do know that the ‘cease fires’ by Israel are always temporary; soon, they will be back to ‘mowing the grass’ as per usual.

Posted by: Mastameta | Jan 15 2025 8:46 utc | 134

To all the trolls who seem to be just happy that IDF was able to directly kill over 50.000 (and way more indirectly)
Take your win but consider that even blinky says there was no net reduction of Hamas in Gaza.
For jokes like iq in Gaza, that you should be ashamed by the (much smaller effect in that area , but devastating in many) , you’re cheering for the destruction of childhood in entire generations.
It is all the more ignoble because of the mirroring, the whole situation should lead you to ponder on
Se questo è un uomo…

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2025 9:04 utc | 135

18 of the Diaper forces killed in a week.
Their economy is a disaster despite the begging and freeloading.
Maybe they need the deal more than what we are ment to believe.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jan 15 2025 9:15 utc | 136

fanto 101
As you say , the removal of Israel is essential to the future existence of humanity. USUKIS is upholding HTS as an alternative, but it is EXACTLY THE SAME, a selection of brainwashed USUKIS mercenaries like the Zionists.
It’s USUKIS that needs to be deleted.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 15 2025 9:29 utc | 137

RE: “ I would say that is quite a victory… wouldn’t you?”
Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2025 2:04 utc | 111
Absolute victory, in agreement. But that victory is about to be quashed with a myriad of “political ploys”, schemes and plans.
Look at Hezbollah & Lebanon.
Hezbollah now must decide between resistance (including civil war) or political engagement. Politically they are being run out of Southern Lebanon.
Israel is the weakest it’s ever been.
Hamas currently is the strongest it’s ever been. New soldiers, better more lethal weapons (thanks to all the IDF run-aways), bringing West Bank along.
Now is the time to press on.
The resistance knows best, but bubbling beneath the surface is a teetering pissed off Hezbollah & an active “out for revenge”, Yemen.
As for political or legal “Justice”, I expect none.
If the Palestinians, all 4-6 million of them, want their land back, they’re going to have to take it and occupy it.
A few thousand Hamas soldiers in battle aren’t going to be able to do it alone.
But being corralled back to the prison yards, primarily because Israel is in slow collapse and currently has a need for a ceasefire, seems a misstep to me.
I would like the genocide to stop, but it won’t, it will simply be taken out of view.
I would like humanitarian aid and safety, but see only the “caloric” counter daily being administered. A worse than before siege. With Foreign agents (Egypt , UAE, Qataris) ruling Palestinians on behalf of USReal.
Currently, they wouldn’t dare step foot in Gaza.
It should stay that way.
USReal needs to get a lot more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 15 2025 10:58 utc | 138

RE: Posted by: John Wick | Jan 15 2025 7:38 utc | 133
None of this is about “Hamas” as you well know.
Regardless of Gaza, I wouldn’t expect the the IDF to feel free to travel anywhere anytime soon. Even in the USA.
All those “communist” and “liberal’s” out and about, could be rough to plow on into the unknown landscapes of unknown hostile environments. Best to stay on squatter land for now.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 15 2025 11:17 utc | 139

If voting was useful it would be forbidden they say …
Actually the opposite: if voting was useless it wouldnt exist at all especially in company share ownership …

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 15 2025 11:18 utc | 140

True “Trump cultists” wont be disappointed if Trump fails to deliver on promises. They will adjust their expectations like Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama cultists did after he went drone-happy on civilian women and children. “We tortured some folks” he says, and the cult of personality gushes “Oh, how noble he is to own it! Now he will stop it, right?” Obama: “No, of course not.” Then the personality cultists be like: “Torture is cool! I like torture!”
True Trump cultists will be something like that.
What is far more interesting to me is how the TDS people, particularly those right here in the discussion threads, will handle it if Trump somehow does stop the slaughter. The cognitive dissonance will shake the heavens, so I am wondering how the TDS folks will unwind that contradiction in heir heads between reality and their cherished delusions.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 15 2025 11:22 utc | 141

“And after 30 years of one party rule, they have reduced California to an anarchic, underdeveloped nightmare. The LA fire is just one of many more disasters to come. Mark my words.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jan 14 2025 15:17 utc | 6
Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican was Governor from 2003-2011.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 15 2025 11:33 utc | 142

My post above continued:
I wonder if the TDS people will be cheering for the CIA and MI6 rat-fucking to derail any peace initiatives? They are sick enough to prefer the Palestinian genocide and Ukrainian slaughter to continue rather than Trump getting credit for ending it. The freaks will probably even insist that Trump gave the CIA the orders to disrupt his own peace initiatives, even though the CIA has never followed his orders before. Indeed, the CIA even tried to assassinate him, which the crazy TDS-damaged folks even say was on Trump’s orders! How far into crazyland will the TDS people go to protect their delusions?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 15 2025 11:35 utc | 143

“Was aware of the bountiful carbon polluting Natural Gas source. Was contained within the Gaza Strip coastal sea bed.
In the year 2024 the world surpassed the one point five degree limit. !”
Posted by: BadDealMotorsOn | Jan 15 2025 4:45 utc | 125
Don’t be a Woke moron: carbon is not a pollutant-all organic life is built on carbon!!
Kindly read and accept the science: https://www.commerce.senate.gov/services/files/FC7C4946-11A3-4967-BF28-8D0386608D3E

Posted by: canuck | Jan 15 2025 11:45 utc | 144

Another “rug pull”:

But a senior Hamas official told Reuters late on Tuesday that the Palestinian group had not yet delivered its response because it was still waiting for Israel to submit maps showing how its forces would withdraw from Gaza.
During months of on-off talks to achieve a truce in the devastating 15-month-old war, both sides have previously said they were close to a ceasefire only to hit last-minute obstacles. The broad outlines of the current deal have been in place since mid-2024.

Source – Reuters
Looks like Netanyahu is behind this … he always figures out a way to derail talks and pull the rug out from under the Qatari cucks.
Meanwhile, the IDF goes crazy bombing Gaza, heckuva job, Trump!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 15 2025 12:31 utc | 145

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 15 2025 11:35 utc | 146
We don’t need the CIA or MI6 to rat-fuck the peace initiative when we have Netanyahu to do that.
TDS sufferers are going to just point out that Trump is just as powerless to stop Bibi as Blinken and Sullivan, with the key difference being that the latter never even bothered to try and stop him from his genocidal acts.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 15 2025 12:49 utc | 146

I suppose Hamas is actually attacking the IDF in Gaza, however it seems preposterous that Israel didn’t know Hamas would attack on Oct 7, rather Israel must have tricked Hamas into believing their attack would be of mutual political benefit only to respond genocidally, as to be sure the word of a gangster means nothing, by which I mean the leadership of both groups (both the occupiers and kidnappers of women and the girls).

Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 15 2025 12:57 utc | 147

More evidence that Toni Blinken-sky and Jake Russiagate Sullivan are pure garbage, Soros designated water boys for the IDF and their genocidal maniacs who run the operation in Gaza……..these are the folks whose stated aim was to murder every single Gaza civil servant – civil police, firefighters, clerks, medics, doctors and nurses by destroying them in their own homes and apartments.
This is what Blinken-sky and Sullivan brought into………Trump and Witkopf have already told Bibi….bluntly ….agree to this ceasefire and stop the murders or no ammo….take your pick……..

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 15 2025 13:14 utc | 148

Earwig 151
Your tiny little pincers , hiding behind the skirting board of a rotten shed called Israel, are going to get pesticided , but not until the last Palestinians have been genocided.
One nuke on Israel will clean the slate.
Then there will be nowhere for you to hide.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 15 2025 13:19 utc | 149

The TDS is as bad over here as it is on DU or somewhere like that. If Trump were run into a burning orphanage to save children the braintrust around here would say, “Meh, he only did it because the screams of the burning children were disturbing his golf game.”
If you want to call Trump simple, then accept that his goals are simple. It was an expensive war that was being paid for by the American taxpayer on both sides. People were dying needlessly. It was hurting America interests in the region and around the world.
So Trump is pretty simple and if anyone had ever actually listened to him instead of using him as a tableau for their own pet geopolitical ambitions theories, he has said over and over in interviews, during his rallies, and all over that war is bad and that he hates war. So, war is bad and peace is better. That’s Trump in a nutshell.

Posted by: Totila | Jan 15 2025 13:22 utc | 150

it seems preposterous that Israel didn’t know Hamas would attack on Oct 7
@Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 15 2025 12:57 utc | 150
5 March 2021
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-completes-underground-anti-tunnel-barrier-surrounding-gaza/

A senior Israeli military commander said in February that, according to IDF estimates, Hamas has replenished its arsenal since a 2014 war with Israel and now has a vast stock of rockets, guided missiles, and drones.
It also has acquired dozens of unmanned aerial vehicles and has an army of some 30,000 fighters, including 400 naval commandos who have received sophisticated training and equipment to carry out seaborne operations, the commander added. He spoke on condition of anonymity under military guidelines.

Meanwhile, according to Kan News, Israel’s security establishment assesses Hamas is currently taking advantage of the relative calm to train for future conflict with Israel and procure more advanced weapons.

…but…but…but…the IDF whines that Hamas had “tricked Israel into complacency”,
so their cover up story goes

Posted by: librul | Jan 15 2025 13:25 utc | 151

Totally 154
Trump’s tiny mind gets the part that Fiat money to buy bombs to kill Muslims and Russia devalues the dollar.
The bit he doesn’t get is the hard part for an American to understand, Projection of US aggression onto Muslims and Russians.
Neither Russia nor Gazans present the slightest threat to Israel. Sinwar realised that one way to teach to get Israel to stop picking up and raping innocent Muslims would be to snatch a few Jews and ser how the feel about it.
But the minds of USUKIS got to hear about the plan one year in advance through their Qater spies, and USUKIS coordinated a plan to genocide the Muslims. What they should have done is to activate UN Resolutions and give Palestinians a break.
Americans, including Tosspots Biden and Trump are brainwashed into hating Communists and Muslims . Cuntibollocks Musk even attacks Labour Starmer because he’s one millimetre left of Mrs Thatcher.
There’s always an easy way and a hard way. The easy way is to read the Gospels not to project the beam in your own eye, onto the speck in your brother’s eye.
The hard way is for USUKIS to exhaust its moral and financial reputation thinking that they are perfect, and in charge of the world. Teetering on moral and financial bankruptcy , swirling in the vortex of the moral plughole of genocide, the Tosspot Potuses always choose jahannam.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 15 2025 13:42 utc | 152

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“Netanyahu’s office in an official statement:
Hamas has not yet submitted its response, contrary to what is being circulated.
A senior political official denies Netanyahu’s words:
Hamas submitted its response and agreed to the agreement.”
Etc.
Catches people’s attention and draws them in to figure it out. i.e. psyop or just taking maximum advantage of any attention, for whatever reason. For example can be an effort to humiliate and derail, or to claim ownership of whichever result. In the meantime though they just keep on with the massacres.

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 13:57 utc | 153

Totila sorry, autocorrect changed it.
I would concede that it’s unlikely for a Potus to read the Gospels when only Jews or Zionists are allowed to be candidates for election in the nominally Christian country of the US. They have to sort out that problem by themselves.
We non- Americans can only watch the nightmare unfold.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 15 2025 14:03 utc | 154

@107 RJPJR
DU is used as armour piercing as far as I make out , DU Mk84 would be for that (for bunkers) I expect. The vapourised DU also ignites/explodes once through armour, which is a secondary characteristic.
Thermobaric weapons are not traditionally DU, again as far as I make out. Various metals and gasses burn at very high temperature, so unless DU offered a great advantage (for example its mass allowed reduced size/increased payload for airframes used) there would seem no particular reason for its use in thermobaric.
Some sources however attribute various flash/after glow to use of DU, but I am surprised that no measurements have been taken on site afterwards and then revealed to prove this.
Then there are the largest explosions in Syria and Lebanon, these leave large craters not creditable to any secondary (weapon or storage) that are not in line with thermobaric , which along with readings and seismic suggest low yield nuclear weapon, possibly “housatonic” (i.e. ‘cleaner’ high fusion that leave little trace). The wider use of armour piercing DU in that case hides their remaining signature.
I’m not an expert in this field of study, I hope some with knowledge will take this up somewhere as there are many questions.

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 14:22 utc | 155

John Wick
” It’s a good thing that Israel has second strike nuclear capabilities. Anyone that destroys it would also be immediately destroyed.”
It’s a good thing us Muslims refuse to be morally blackmailed. We don’t care if we die, we will go to paradise. You on the other hand, if you USUKIS crimi als get away with this genocide , will proceed to genociding your way to the Pacific, where you will stop or start genociding yourselves.
The world will not be blackmailed by
Eurpean Khazars whom the real Jews totally oppose. Where has your genocide got you? Light years away from the smell of Paradise, You have merely sealed the curse of your prophet Eesa AS , Messiah, son of Mary, upon yourselves.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 15 2025 14:28 utc | 156

“So Trump is pretty simple and if anyone had ever actually listened to him instead of using him as a tableau for their own pet geopolitical ambitions theories, he has said over and over in interviews, during his rallies, and all over that war is bad and that he hates war. So, war is bad and peace is better. That’s Trump in a nutshell.”
Posted by: Totila | Jan 15 2025 13:22 utc | 154
You nailed it; unfortunately, TDS has overcome and dumb down too many of the Woke posters at MOA.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 15 2025 14:28 utc | 157

canuck 163
Trump’s concept of peace is to pay back the millions of dollars the Zionists paid for him to get elected. Not peace for the world.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 15 2025 14:34 utc | 158

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 15 2025 11:35 utc | 146
########
I used to think people with TDS were Trump haters.
Now I realize it is the emotionally fragile folks who cannot tolerate anyone speaking about their hero in less than reverent terms. Trump is their most precious and they aren’t in a mood to share.
This degree of worship is usually reserved for God, and now comes from atheists.
Love and hate can both become deranged.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 15 2025 14:37 utc | 159

To add to @161
-Recently Iran says “Israel” planted explosives in centrifuge parts.
-Someone mentioned studies of bomb sites by UN/Gov were not released.
Not sources at hand, so just pointers for those researching the theme.

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 14:55 utc | 160

To the hasbarat troll.
Do you know nukes expire?
There will be a time not so far from now when you will get no more uranium.
And also the US will not be there to help.
Nobody really, because nobody likes you.
You’ll be all on your own and everyone sees you suck at fighting.
You weak cowards get trashed now as it is against some small half-assed guerilla.
18 of you IDF cockroaches got killed in 1 week. LOL
Your temporary country has no future, and there will be nowhere to hide for you rats.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jan 15 2025 15:09 utc | 161

LoveDonbass @165
It is unfortunate, but imagining that any significant numbers of people “worship” Trump is 100% guaranteed proof that your brain is fucked up with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
In case you need proof, remember how bonkers you went when the violent and drug addicted felon, George Floyd, gave himself heart failure (feels like not being able to breathe) by eating his fentanyl and amphetamine stash so the cops wouldn’t find it? Remember how you clowns freaked out and burned your town centers?
OK, now compare your shitty behavior with how “Trump worshipers” reacted when you freaks tried to assassinate Trump. Where were the Molotov cocktails? Where were the looted shoe shops and department stores? Where were the ransacked and burned town centers? Keep in mind that mouth-breathing morons like you are asserting that some number of Americans view Trump as a deity. Generally speaking, when the object of some group of people’s worship is threatened with destruction, that group takes it pretty hard and retaliates, but… no retaliation.
In other words, you are wrong; completely and totally wrong.
But it is worse than you just being wrong. You are in fact projecting your own mental debilitation and emotional infantility onto people who do not at all posses your kind of mental damage. Remember that it was your crowd that was crying and gnashing teeth and rending garments when your deities, Hillary and the cackle-bitch were beaten by Trump. Despite the obvious election fraud in 2020, Trump supporters remained calm and collected.
All of the evidence points to it being you TDS people who are deeply and tragically deranged.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 15 2025 15:34 utc | 162

’33’ hostages should tell you all you need to know. This is all a ritual. Its not real
There will be no hostage exchange, nor ceasefire

Posted by: RP | Jan 15 2025 15:51 utc | 163

Posted by: Englishman | Jan 15 2025 15:40 utc | 170
who is “we”? I never expected help from the Arab countries. After their defeat by Israel in 48, 67 and 73, and the failure of Nassers pan Arabism, it was clear they are powerless and humiliated. Then their governments one by one recognized Israel, and made nice with them. Those who did not, got bombed.
Even if the Arab governments wanted to help, they are incredibly weak and poor, especially the one you try to call coward, Egypt, which still has its urban centers full of full-time garbage pickers.

Posted by: UWDude | Jan 15 2025 15:54 utc | 164

Posted by: Jane | Jan 15 2025 2:10 utc | 113 And other Trumpers pretend to favor Trump because there’s a chance his policies will drive the USA down. That’s the Trump, Chaos Agent of Accelerationism defense. And other Trumpers pretend they are merely waiting to see what Trump does, as if he wasn’t president once already. We know what he’s done. Other Trump cultists pretend to ignore the facts in favor of imaginary scenarios. Trump’s sincere order to withdraw from Syria was defied by some nameless MacArthur but Trump obviously couldn’t fire the dude. Trump didn’t order Soleimani’s assassination and he was too powerless to do anything but take credit for it. Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital but that’s not Zionism. The CIA tried to assassinate Trump using a long time agent they recruited in middle school.
Of course those are deranged Trump cultists. There is a more pretentious kind of Trumpery where massive military spending, open commitment to American exceptionalism, a slogan of peace through strength, militaristic boasting about the greatest army in the world and its entire history, shameless plans to seize territory or at least threaten it, somehow none of this is a problem for the supposedly open minds of the refined Trump cultists. I suggest it’s the imperviousness to Trump’s words that betray their closed minds. There is a twisted logic invoked that presumes nobody can actually know what Trump really means to do. I think that proves Trumpery is cultism. Pretending blind faith that Trump really might be a pig with wings is reasonable simply isn’t, it’s a shame-faced pretense at evenhandedness.
Most of all, the pretense that economic warfare—which targets whole populations!—somehow isn’t warfare is merely dogmatism. It’s the geopolitical equivalent of Xenu or polygamy, a shibboleth serving to separate the committed Scientologist from the so-called wogs and SPs, or back in the day the LDS from the gentiles. If the bombing stops on inauguration day, the economic siege continue, which means the war continues. Trump does not stand for peace. Everyone but the cultists know it.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 15 2025 15:56 utc | 165

Reuters is reporting the status of the latest ceasefire kabuki
Gaza peace talks: Israel to vote on ceasefire deal tomorrow
How many Palestinians will be genocided between now and then?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 15 2025 16:37 utc | 166

@Psychohistorian – I don’t believe that there will be a deal. It’s kabuki as you say.
It’s being prematurely leaked probably by the Biden administration so that the pants-shitter can claim some sort of victory in his farewell speech tonight.
Netanyahu will pull the rug again tomorrow.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 15 2025 17:16 utc | 167

** Breaking **
Reuters
Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire agreement meant to end 15-month Gaza war, official says
The deal, not yet formally announced, outlines a six-week initial ceasefire phase and includes the gradual withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and release of hostages held by Hamas in exchange for Palestinian detainees held by Israel.
[note it is Palestinian **detainees** vs ‘Israeli’ hostages.]

Posted by: librul | Jan 15 2025 17:17 utc | 168

@Posted by: librul | Jan 15 2025 17:17 utc | 174
My bad
Should have read the article and not just the sensationalist headline.

Hamas, Gaza’s dominant Palestinian militant group, told Reuters its delegation had handed mediators its approval for the ceasefire agreement and return of hostages.
A Palestinian official, who asked not to be named, told Reuters earlier Hamas had given verbal approval to the ceasefire and hostage return proposal under negotiation in Qatar and was waiting for more information to give final written approval.
Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar said he was cutting a visit to Europe short and flying back to Israel overnight to take part in security cabinet and government votes on the deal – meaning the votes would likely be by or on Thursday.

Posted by: librul | Jan 15 2025 17:21 utc | 169

>But stopping the genocide does not make a Trump administration less friendly to Israel’s greed for extension. In whatever may follow a ceasefire we can be sure that Trump will (again) take Israel’s side.
>Posted by b on January 14, 2025 at 14:47 UTC |
My fear is that Gaza will be used as a dumping ground for the Palestinians from an ethnically cleansed West Bank and possibly even Israel proper, and a ceasefire/resupply/reconstruction of Gaza is meant to smooth this process.
My hope is that Trump knows that his pressuring Israel into an honest two state solution will almost certainly guarantee him a well-deserved Nobel Peace Prize, which would be a worthwhile goal for him considering that reelection is no longer something he is seeking, and Adelson/Netanyahu and the Israel Lobby have nothing more to offer him (or threaten him) in that department.
Perhaps his conversation with Obama asking for advice at Carter’s funeral (as posted by Trump) had something to do with this?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 15 2025 17:28 utc | 170

canuck 145
“Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican was Governor from 2003-2011.”
Ahnold, fuck your freedom, demonstrates the bipolar disease of the political parties in the us.

Posted by: osi not ossi | Jan 15 2025 17:42 utc | 171

How many Palestinians will be genocided between now and then?
Posted by: psychohistorian | 172
Well, they are up to 62 murdered Palestinians in the past 24 hours, and in northern and central Gaza it is reported that the bombing is continuous. This is per Middleeasteye and al Jazeera.
IDF also killed 3 people in the south, at Khan Younis, where they were trying to get food at a distribution center and has killed another two journalists. This is since this morning (EST).
—————-
Breaking: Israel has bombed a free food distribution centre in Khan Younis, killing at least three people.
Journalist Ahmed Al-Shayyah has been killed in the attack.
Two journalist have been killed in the past hour.
https://x.com/AbubakerAbedW/status/1879569821555372502?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
———-

Posted by: teri | Jan 15 2025 17:53 utc | 172

And then they came for you.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2025 17:55 utc | 173

Eoin at 36 posted.
Excuse my moment of optimism but does this mean Trump recognizes that Israel needs peace to survive? Thus he forced them to stop the killing (or down scale it) to save them from themselves.
Certainly the line *Israel HAS to be saved from itself* – from outsiders mostly blaming one person, Netanyahu, is pushed by many, for ex. Col. Douglas McGregor, others w. a similar opinion.
They argue for preserving the prev. status quo, where ISR is in a symbiotic relationship with USuk as a ‘legitimate state’ / serving as an ME outpost of the Empire, as a landing spot, etc. From the Balfour declaration to … today.
The controlling hand, at the end point, is the US. It can stop financing, banking facilities, trade, high investment in ISR Cos. arms deliveries !***!, support, funding and aid, of all kinds, to ISR.
aristodemos posted “the Zionist Entity is living on fumes” at 44.
Yes. ISR has ventured too far, perhaps due to desperation, lashing out, the end run…For sure a new landscape will emerge soon, very possibly to the detriment of ISR.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 15 2025 18:04 utc | 174

Let history show that the Canadian political class overwhelmingly supported USrael in its occupation and genocide. There should and must be a reckoning and accountability for their criminal complicity.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 18:48 utc | 175

Gaza Genocide Agreed
https://www.aljazeera.com/live

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 18:52 utc | 176

For various mixed sources on ceasefire
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Or reporting including ceasefire
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 18:53 utc | 177

Freudian Slip on previous title…
Gaza Ceasefire Agreed
https://www.aljazeera.com/live

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 18:55 utc | 178

Occupied Palestine did not honor the agreement in Lebanon and I don’t expect them to honor the Gaza one if ever SIGNED by Hamas
I also wouldn’t be surprised to read that Occupied Palestine refuses to meet the withdrawal from Gaza requirement or cheats on it…..Yes, I am jaded

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 15 2025 19:10 utc | 179

@184 John Gilberts
Ha.
I read that as the ceasefire was planned as endpoint for genocide to be given the go ahead.
I actually think capitulation was planned for, for around the time the pier fiasco took place. The current arrangement looks like “Israel” lost on that front.
In Gaza there is celebration, but any number of details might change current direction. For now we have mediators talking. It is even feasible Qatar and political are creating public momentum that Hamas Gaza cannot refuse, plus there is still an “Israeli” vote due I think, which will be at least more theater.
IOW I half expect all to turn bad at some point.
For now at least, it is some cheer and respite for Palestinians.

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 19:19 utc | 180

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“During these days and until the implementation of the agreement begins, Israel is expected to intensify the bombing of Gaza.”

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 19:22 utc | 181

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“During these days and until the implementation of the agreement begins, Israel is expected to intensify the bombing of Gaza.”
Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 19:22 utc | 187
I suspect you correct. The Ziononazis have a record or carpet bombing until a couple of hours before any ceasefire comes into effect.
The ceasefire agreement takes effect on 19 January which means Biden insisted on continueing the genocide until the last day in office. Biden, his advisers and spokespeople are evil personified and history will remember them as such.

Posted by: Menz | Jan 15 2025 19:42 utc | 182

Ben Reiff
@bentreyf
Haaretz analyst Zvi Bar’el: the staged ceasefire agreement is a ruse — the Israeli government has no intention of progressing to the second stage, and seeks to resume the onslaught after the first batch of hostages are released https://haaretz.co.il/opinions/2025-
“The aspiration to establish and entrench themselves in the Gaza and the dream of settlement there have not disappeared”

https://x.com/bentreyf/status/1879489174434385977

Posted by: Menz | Jan 15 2025 19:50 utc | 183

Now, what books do you recommend?
Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2025 2:34 utc | 117
============
Thanks for asking!
Currently I am juggling Ilan Pappe’s Lobbying For Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic. Amazing, like all of Pappe’s works.
And Ann Schmiesing, The Brothers Grimm: A Biography (Yale U Press, 2024).
It is fascinating story, not only for language and grammar nerds but also as an excellent lens through which to get a basic understanding of the 19th C history of the German lands that in 1871 unified to became the Second German Reich.
The Grimms’ lives cover this period of “German” history that IMO must be understood to understand what came later, after Unification and WW1. Their lives played out mainly in Kassel (Hesse), Goettingen, Paris, and Berlin in the context of this very complicated history shaped, first and foremost, by the Napoleonic invasion and occupation of virtually all the German lands.
Then came the Congress of Vienna (where Jacob Grimm was secretary to the Hessian legation); the absurd conditions in the plethora of tiny absolutist statelets, duchies, etc. and the webs of connections and conflicts among them while they bore the scars of the Napoleonic adventure; the constant dodging of censorship and aristocratic privileges and pretensions that affected scholars’ chances to work in a university or indeed do research in the libraries that existed then; the various attempts to form some kind of German confederation punctuated by various large and small revolutions; the difficult conditions of day-to-life (five days in a bumpy, unheated carriage for the Grimms and a pregnant wife to get from Kassel to Berlin, including contending with major flooding of the Elbe River); the rapid development of universities and other civil institutions of learning in the German lands; and the geniuses in philosophy, literature, science, and the arts that these lands produced.
The sheer volume and value of the Grimms’ scholarly works and their work ethic—including hand-copying whole books and passages from medieval manuscripts kept in local archives, etc.—defy comprehension today.
This book could have used better editing, but it does effectively present the Grimms’ lives in the historical context in an accessible format.
I have gone into this much detail in case other barflies are interested in German history. Apologies if OT.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 15 2025 19:53 utc | 184

@188 Menz
According to Journalist Youssef Fares
“Important agenda..
– The ceasefire will go into effect on Sunday morning.
– It will be preceded by two days (Friday and Saturday) that will witness the “stabilization of forces” on the ground and a ceasefire with the aim of starting the exchange on Sunday
Islam Badr – Al Arabiya TV correspondent – Gaza Strip”
So a couple of days added maybe, but that doesn’t change the meaning of your comment to my view.

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 15 2025 19:54 utc | 185

How many of the 10,000 Arab hostages held by the Likud will be freed ?
does the ceasefire apply to ALL the occupied territories ?

Posted by: exile | Jan 15 2025 19:57 utc | 186

Greg Barns SC
@BarnsGreg
Apologists for a nation committing #genocide lauding an (Australian) Attorney General who met with a government of war criminals. Sick.
https://x.com/BarnsGreg/status/1879273128494592095

Posted by: Menz | Jan 15 2025 19:57 utc | 187

does the ceasefire apply to ALL the occupied territories ?
Posted by: exile | Jan 15 2025 19:57 utc | 192
I don’t believe it will. The ceasefire was negotiated with Hamas, not the PA arselickers. Israel also regards The West Bank as de facto Israeli territory.

Posted by: Menz | Jan 15 2025 20:02 utc | 188

Ceasefire Agreement Reached in Gaza
https://x.com/PalestineChron/status/1879607608719364420
palestinechronicle.com
#FreePalestine #PalestinianResistance #GazaCeasefire

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 20:11 utc | 189

How many of the 10,000 Arab hostages held by the Likud will be freed ?
Posted by: exile | Jan 15 2025 19:57 utc | 192
From what I’ve heard, the exchange will be 30 long term Palestinian prisoners for every Israeli held by Hamas.

Posted by: Menz | Jan 15 2025 20:14 utc | 190

In response to

I don’t believe it will. The ceasefire was negotiated with Hamas, not the PA arselickers. Israel also regards The West Bank as de facto Israeli territory.
Posted by: Menz | Jan 15 2025 20:02 utc | 194

Here we are in Hollywood land where genocide stops in one place and all cheer while it keeps going on in other places but is not reported.
Will Yemen stop?…..asking for a friend….
The shit show continues until it doesn’t

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 15 2025 20:20 utc | 191

This Will Not End With The Last Airstrike
https://electronicintifada.net/will-not-end-last-airstrike/50296
“This war will not end with the last air strike. Its effects will linger in the rubble, in the struggle to rebuild and in the constant fear that the ceasefire will not last.
The people of Gaza need more than words of solidarity. We need meaningful global action to support reconstruction and ensure accountability.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 20:31 utc | 192

This Will Not End With The Last Airstrike
https://electronicintifada.net/content/will-not-end-last-airstrike/50296

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 20:36 utc | 193

Here we are in Hollywood land where genocide stops in one place and all cheer while it keeps going on in other places but is not reported.
Will Yemen stop?…..asking for a friend….
The shit show continues until it doesn’t
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 15 2025 20:20 utc | 197
I’ll call MoAb Salam when I have a free 5 minutes and come back to you.

Posted by: Menz | Jan 15 2025 20:41 utc | 194

The ‘salty’ rejection of shabat has appeared in so many* journals of deceit now that it has to be a lie.
*
graun
Times
NYT
Telegraph
to name just a few

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 15 2025 20:51 utc | 195

Ori Goldberg (thread)
https://x.com/ori_goldberg/status/1879623940173382128
1/Israel will do everything within its power to obfuscate the agreement with Hamas. We have nothing but pettiness and oblivion to sustain us. Still, we are spent. We tried to fulfill our fantasy – making the Palestinians disappear. We did not succeed…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 15 2025 21:03 utc | 196

What a media generated overblown farce generated for + clicks to be directed at both prezes, old and new. Negotiations on Phase 2 titled Transition to a Sustainable Calm have not even begun yet. Surely ‘sustainable calm’ is the beginning of ceasefire. It doesn’t take an einstein to work out that (i) netanyahu & his mob will ensure Phase 2 never happens, and (ii) as per usual the amerikan prez will support the entity all the way on this.
This is no ceasefire it is a media stunt not unlike the ceasefire in Lebanon the entity will up the slaughtering of civilians and western propaganda outlets will remain silent apart from occasionally beating up stories where Gazans, unable to stand the deceit any longer, fight back hard.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 15 2025 21:04 utc | 197

🇵🇸 Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed forces of Hamas, issue a statement celebrating the ceasefire.
“Peace be upon you for your patience and steadfastness in the face of tyranny. Peace upon the souls of our martyrs, our innocent children, and our oppressed elders. Peace upon your spirits that will one day soar in the skies of our sacred Jerusalem and our free Al-Aqsa, cleansed from the filth of your killers.”

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/136315

🇵🇸 Remember: The ceasefire does not officially take hold until Sunday, the 19th of January. The Zionists have already been authorized to operate with “maximum force” in the next few days in an attempt to wash the taste of defeat from their mouths. Given their conduct of the war so far, it is not difficult to tell what that means.
Sadly, we can expect many more massacres in the coming days, and fighting is still ongoing in the occupied West Bank, where the Zionists and their puppets have escalated their attacks recently.
Likewise, the struggle against Zionism will continue in one form or another until victory. While the Zionists have lost this battle, the apartheid state still stands, and so the war continues.
Do not let this ceasefire make you complacent, the people of Palestine and their resistance still need our help. Join a group, organize and agitate against Zionism. Every contribution, great and small, can help bring about the end of the Zionist apartheid regime occupying Palestinian land.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/136317

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 15 2025 21:18 utc | 198

— Zionists are FURIOUS at the ceasefire, and they are even turning on their best friend, Donald Trump.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/14457

— 🇵🇸 WATCH: Celebrations all across Gaza and the West Bank after the announcement of the ceasefire

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/14459

— ❗️🇵🇸 NEW: For the first time in months – hundreds of trucks with aid are now entering Gaza

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/14463

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 15 2025 21:24 utc | 199

In the name of Allah, the Merciful
Hamas press statement on the announcement of a ceasefire agreement and the cessation of aggression against the Gaza Strip:
The ceasefire agreement is the result of the legendary steadfastness of the great Palestinian people and our courageous resistance in the Gaza Strip for more than 15 months.
The cessation of aggression against Gaza is a great achievement for our nation, our resistance, the Islamic Ummah, and the free people of the world. This agreement is a turning point in the fight against the enemy and a step towards realizing our nation’s goals of liberation and return.
This agreement was reached in light of our responsibility towards the patient and resilient people of the Gaza Strip, and in order to end the Zionist aggression, halt the flood of bloodshed, crimes, and genocide that this region is facing.
We express our gratitude and appreciation to all the honorable official and popular positions that have shown solidarity with Gaza, supported our nation, and played a role in exposing the crimes of the occupiers and stopping the aggressions, both in the Arab and Islamic world and internationally. We are especially grateful to the mediating brothers who have made great efforts to achieve this agreement, especially Qatar and Egypt.
Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
Wednesday: 15 Rajab 1446 AH
As of: January 15, 2025 AD

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/37845

🇵🇸🇶🇦🇮🇱 Qatari Foreign Ministry Spokesman: Both sides agreed that the ceasefire will begin on Sunday at 12:15 p.m.

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/37846

Hamas flag flying in celebration at Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, chanting ‘We Want Freedom’

https://t.me/rtnews/79003

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 15 2025 21:45 utc | 200