Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 20, 2025
Trump And Ukraine Should Concede

The Ukrainian commander in chief General Syrksi seems to have given up. Recent remarks of his suggest that he no longer sees a way to win the war. He is now simply waiting for the politicians to concede.

The Ukrainian military has recently started to move thousands of air-defense soldiers and logistic personnel into the infantry. People who were taught to detect, analyze and fight aerial targets get pushed into roles for which they did not receive training and are no qualified.

Syrski is justifying this as the only way to keep a sufficient number of men in front line trenches:

The army chief stressed that his order prohibits the transfer of highly qualified personnel who have undergone training and specialize in aircraft maintenance.

"Clearly, these are invested funds, specialists who have experience and are practically irreplaceable, on the one hand," said Syrskyi.

“On the other hand, we fundamentally need personnel on the front, and we must maintain an adequate number of troops in our mechanized brigades. Unfortunately, mobilization capabilities do not meet this need.

According to him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are "reasonably" reducing the logistical component and part of the support in the military, as well as those involved in maintenance.

"Therefore, the headquarters know these tasks; they have done the calculations," Syrskyi stated.

The number of freshly mobilized soldiers is lower than the number of losses. The military thus has to start to 'eat itself'. The problems being caused by this will not be visible immediately but they will over time destroy the armies core functionality.

People have done all they can to avoid a service at the frontline. Commanders have been bribed to allow for their soldiers to do duty behind the front lines. Others deserted. There are thus plenty of superfluous logistic and headquarter staff that can be moved to put up a more serious resistance.

But in few week those reserves will have emptied too. Logistics will start to slow down and air defenses will fail to defend against even the most primitive drone attacks.

Syrski sees this coming. He knows that defending the country will not win the war (machine translation):

Ukraine will not be able to win the war while on the defensive.

This was stated by the commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Alexander Syrsky on the air of the telethon.

"You know, no matter how much you defend, you will still retreat. And we are forced to hold the defense and concentrate our forces, in fact, to keep along this front line," said Syrsky.

Just two months ago Syrski was sounding more optimistic. He was still dreaming of and announced further counterattacks (machine translation):

The APU will not only stand on the defensive, but also counterattack.

This statement was made by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Alexander Syrsky at a recent meeting with military bloggers. Details of the statement were given in his Telegram channel by the participant of the meeting, military Kirill Sazonov.

"Pokrovskoe and Kurakhovskoe directions. The situation is difficult. But it's better than it was a week ago. Then it was really critical. Some units were retreating, leaving their positions, but there was no one to close them. Indeed, a crisis situation. But the issue is resolved, the reserves are deployed, the enemy's plans are thwarted. Alexander Syrsky's position: we must stop the enemy. But victory is impossible if the APU will work only in defense. We must seize the initiative and counterattack. We must and will. Where and who-you will see, " wrote Sazonov.

Kurakhove has since fallen and Pokrovsk is about to be surrounded. No further Ukrainian initiative has been seen.

One can not counterattack when one lacks the troops to even fill up the front lines.

Syrski may finally come to grips with the 'winning' charade the Biden administration has all along played with Ukraine:

When Russia invaded Ukraine nearly three years ago, President Joe Biden set three objectives for the U.S. response. Ukraine’s victory was never among them. The phrase the White House used to describe its mission at the time—supporting Ukraine “for as long as it takes”—was intentionally vague. It also raised the question: As long as it takes to do what?

The future that Zelensky and many of his countrymen have in mind is one in which Russia is defeated. But in rallying the world to the fight, the implication Biden embedded in his own goals was that defending Ukraine against Russia is not the same as defeating Russia. So it is not surprising if that goal remains far from Zelensky’s reach.

A victorious Ukraine has never been an aim or priority in the proxy war the Biden administration has waged against Russia. Even its main 'diplomat' has never shown interest in peace (archived):

Mr. Blinken was less a peacemaker than a war strategist. Immersed in details of military hardware and battlefield conditions, he often argued against more risk-averse Pentagon officials in favor of sending powerful American weapons to Ukraine.

And when the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark A. Milley, suggested in late 2022 that Ukraine should capitalize on battlefield gains by seeking peace talks with Moscow, Mr. Blinken insisted the fight should go on.

There is hope now, though only a slight one, that the incoming Trump administration will disavow the war in Ukraine and shut it down without any delay or escalation. The danger of proceeding otherwise is for Trump to get hooked to the war like Nixon became to Vietnam:

[Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon] advocates ending America’s all-important military aid to Kyiv, but fears his old boss is going to fall into a trap being set by an unlikely alliance of the U.S. defense industry, the Europeans and even some of Bannon’s own friends, whom he argues are now misguided. These include Keith Kellogg, a retired U.S. general who is Trump’s pick to be special envoy to Ukraine and Russia.

“If we aren’t careful, it will turn into Trump’s Vietnam. That’s what happened to Richard Nixon. He ended up owning the war and it went down as his war not Lyndon Johnson’s,” Bannon said.

If it would fully engage the U.S. might be able to delay the outcome of the war in Ukraine. But it will, like in Vietnam, be unable to change the inevitable result.

Trump should concede that Russia has won the war, remove all support from Ukraine, pull back the Europeans and wash his hands over the outcome.

This would give Ukraine a chance to again bind its fate to the east.

Comments

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 20 2025 21:26 utc | 93
Money is just a medium of exchange – it can’t fire a single bullet or send a FPV drone into combat.
The key question, which you didn’t address, is where are those supplies in the chain? I don’t claim any more knowledge than you do, but I highly suspect:
1. A lot of them don’t exist yet, and are mere procurement orders for contracts yet to be fulfilled;
2. Some may be sitting in various US military controlled warehouses.
Number 2 are controlled by Trump with the stroke of a pen. Oops, sorry Sargeant, your new orders are to mothball those while we do a six-month review. Cancel that last order to send them on to Poland.
Now, will he actually do it? Uncertain, at best.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 20 2025 21:42 utc | 101

Eating your seed corn-Ukr. specialist forces- is never a wise idea.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 20 2025 21:43 utc | 102

Alex Vindman’s wife is outraged that Biden did not pardon him.
Biden is projecting his corrupt view on justice and prosecution on the new regime.
That is Biden’s puppeteers agree that they deserve justice.
Jan 6 th persecutions were a destructive attack on the few good phrases in the US constitution
Fauci and DHS were tools to sway the 2020 election and harm our democracy and humans.

Posted by: paddy | Jan 20 2025 21:46 utc | 103

Passerby | Jan 20 2025 21:15 utc | 92–
Your observation is curious in light of what Lavrov said in answer to questions posed by Pavel Zarubin yesterday that ought to be compared with what he stated at the Security Council today:

Question: Twice this week, Joe Biden summed up the results of his presidency. At the first summing up, there was a feeling that he was trying to compare himself with Vladimir Putin, saying that it was not the President of Russia who was in the centre of Kiev, but him. It seems that he has a personal competition with our President.
Sergey Lavrov: If a politician of the US caliber makes assessments of his term at the head of a powerful power on the basis of theatrical effects (“I was in Kiev, but Vladimir Putin was not there”), we can probably conclude how “seriously” he takes his duties.
Question: In the entire history of bilateral relations, was it the Biden administration that caused, in your opinion, the greatest damage to Russian-American and even Soviet-American relations?
Sergey Lavrov: I would not delve into this topic and make any analytical calculations. The damage is enormous.
And the Trump administration caused serious damage in its first term
, including largely because Barack Obama left the legacy that Donald Trump and his people came to. The sanctions imposed by Barack Obama three weeks before Donald Trump’s inauguration were dishonest and unethical. He expelled our diplomats and stole two diplomatic properties. This did not put our relations in the position of a good start.
We see that the Biden administration is now trying to do the same. [My Emphasis]

Do Lavrov’s words show some agreement with what Medvedev wrote about relations not being required?
IMO, Russian media keeps a much sharper eye on what happens in the Empire than the US does with Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 20 2025 21:52 utc | 104

jpc@95…..the Brits have signed on for 100years, that’s your time frame, and unfortunately for most of the rah, rah, Russia crowd here, “for as long as it takes” means to change Russian leadership’s way of thinking, and then just Federate the country. No need to win anything…..there are no winners in the SlogMow especially not Russia, unless they are maning the checkpoints at the new border with the EU.
And if you go by Karl’s translation of Mr Putin’s speech, Mr Putin still longs to be accepted by his western partners…..sad really. Will he accept what the west offers him, he doesn’t have much to offer the west, other than cheap fuel.
Cheers M
….I shouldn’t use the term West, Trump rules the roost now so all negotiation goes through him…..or,
Your Fired. Gonzalo would get the greatest kick out of seeing Trump re elected…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 20 2025 21:55 utc | 105

No, the US should drop all of Europe like the bad habit it is. Let them rot in their well-deserved terminal dark age.

Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 20 2025 17:14 utc | 30
A dark age caused by the USA with the intention of disrupting what relations some European countries (e.g. Germany) had with Russia before 2014.
Even if Trump were not responsible for what Biden did, it is the USA after all, and whatever the Europeans did does not let the USA (the puppet master) off the hook.

Posted by: joey_n | Jan 20 2025 21:57 utc | 106

@26 aristodemos
I honestly thought ANON acted stupid as a joke. A lot of comedians act stupid for the laughs.

Posted by: ? | Jan 20 2025 22:00 utc | 107

Why should they concede?
There have been multiple instances of single-digit Ukrainians holding positions for weeks and months just with drones, and there is no reason to think this cannot be extended for many years to come.
Meanwhile long-range strikes into Russia will only expand and intensify.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 20 2025 15:29 utc | 3

Yup. People here don’t get it, or if they do, they are in denial. Drones have changed the face of war from here on out and it seems that Ukraine (backed by NATO) has the advantage here. The long range missiles are just icing on the cake. It’s all about the drones. As long as Ukraine got warm bodies to control those things, they good. This war will go on with or without American aide.

Posted by: bored | Jan 20 2025 22:05 utc | 108

A dark age caused by the USA with the intention of disrupting what relations some European countries (e.g. Germany) had with Russia before 2014.
Posted by: joey_n | Jan 20 2025 21:57 utc | 106
They don’t need to help for that to happen, only for the resulting situation being bad enough to be dark ages level…

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 20 2025 22:09 utc | 109

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 20 2025 21:26 utc | 93
So they signed 6-9 month contracts guaranteeing ISR support, and air transport. Without the former, the Ukrainians are going to have to rely on the inferior Euro version, without the former those pre-paid supplies will take far longer to arrive. The US were the backbone for the Allied support of Ukraine, with it gone the whole thing collapses under its own weight.
If he acts quickly he gets to blame the entire enterprise on Biden’s puppet administration, if he delays he gets to share the blame. There’s probably more hardware heading toward the Southern border than Ukraine, tonight.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 20 2025 22:09 utc | 110

Posted by: xor | Jan 20 2025 19:41 utc | 75
“To swallow the defeat, Western presstitute media will focus their gaze on other conflicts Trump will likely initiate.”
Please refresh my memory. Which conflicts did Trump initiate in his first term? Please list them in chronological order. Thanks!

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 20 2025 22:13 utc | 111

If you think the west will ever allow Ukraine to “bind its fate to the east” then you’ve misunderstood what this war was about. Recap: since the Reconquista and the Conquista that followed in the next century modern imperialism is bound to resource and market control. This means compliant or weak vassal states. Those that refuse to be dismembered, balkanized and looted will be pulverized until they accept.
Putin will never be forgiven for pulling Russia back from the horrors of shock doctrine—which, it should always be remembered, was orchestrated by Jeffery Sachs. How he rehabilitated his image and avoided being held to account for that devastation I’ll never understand.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 20 2025 22:13 utc | 112

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 20 2025 19:17 utc | 65
Things were bad before Trump, but it’s foolish to see Trump as anything but the harbinger of naked capitalist dictatorship and clerical fascism. These are not only the people he surrounds himself with, these days they are the dominant faction of the ruling class. They are the establishment. My hope for the Democratic party is that it ceases to exist, that its function in politics is replaced by a Socialist Party that is not beholden to another fraction of the ruling class. But there’s nothing to hope for from this current set of reactionary elites, except that their misrule urges people on to socialism, making it undeniable that capitalist class power is at the roots of our society’s dysfunction.

Surely you must understand that the scapegoat changes in the popular mind with DJT, but the elite mind has its eyes on the prize and that is consolidation of power and wealth into fewer and fewer hands.

You are, of course, correct, there, but incorrect about the ruling class’s media, the so-called “mainstream media”, which no longer claims the mantle of “resistance” and which has for the last five or so years dutifully done the work of their capitalist owners in making far-right policy, which benefits the capitalist class and harms individual liberty, a bipartisan consensus. Elite discourse is now pimping reactionary intellectual dregs like Curtis Yarvin, an advocate of what can only be called neo-feudalism, and calling into question any kind of popular left-wing values, such as egalitarianism, feminism, and anti-racism. The set of digital technology billionaires, in particular, are very excited about these ideas.
Kind regards to Fnord @ 99. “If you cannot see the fnords they cannot eat you.”

Posted by: fnord | Jan 20 2025 22:14 utc | 113

Yup. People here don’t get it, or if they do, they are in denial. Drones have changed the face of war from here on out and it seems that Ukraine (backed by NATO) has the advantage here. The long range missiles are just icing on the cake. It’s all about the drones. As long as Ukraine got warm bodies to control those things, they good. This war will go on with or without American aide.
Posted by: bored | Jan 20 2025 22:05 utc | 108
YOU’RE TALKIN COMPLETE BOLLX!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 20 2025 22:14 utc | 114

@bored | Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:05:00 GMT | 108

As long as Ukraine got warm bodies to control those things, they good.

Key point, having the manpower, of which Ukraine is rapidly running out of. Also, drone factories can be destroyed, drone shipments can be destroyed.
As for long-range strikes? They don’t seem to deter the Russian advances very much. It is more psychological, but it also has the opposite effect – steeling the resolve of the Russian people.

Posted by: James M. | Jan 20 2025 22:17 utc | 115

To trust any yankee would be completely stupid. Ask the Amerindians. The yankees are not “colleagues”, they are Russia mortal enemies.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 20 2025 22:22 utc | 116

@108 bored
Didn’t they used to manufacture drones at Dnipro’s Pivdenmash factory until Russia used the factory for its Oreshnik target practice?
Now I’m bored too.

Posted by: ? | Jan 20 2025 22:24 utc | 117

What the European right fails to understand about Trump is that he is PEAK American Imperialism. An Imperialism that like Nazi imperialism will seek to colonize Europe. Trump isn’t going to abandon NATO or Ukraine. He is simply going to maximally exploit them like colonies.
Posted by: Bakunin17 | Jan 20 2025 19:20 utc

Based on what? Name one thing Trump has done so far, which would support your fantastic theory.
Biden has already screwed over the EU by cutting the supply of cheap fuel … but at least to some extent they did that to themselves. Germans always have the options of coal and nuclear but they choose to go without. Can’t blame Trump or Biden for that.

Posted by: Tel | Jan 20 2025 22:26 utc | 118

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 20 2025 21:15 utc | 92
“Yesterday’s good guys are tomorrow’s bad guys, and yesterday’s bad guys are tomorrow’s good guys.”
It should be easy to figure out who the actual bad guys are. They are the ones who had to have a pardon for crimes that we haven’t found out about yet.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 20 2025 22:41 utc | 119

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 20 2025 22:13 utc | 112
“shock doctrine—which, it should always be remembered, was orchestrated by Jeffery Sachs. How he rehabilitated his image and avoided being held to account for that devastation I’ll never understand.”
This is the first I’ve heard of his culpability in harming Russia. Can you provide a link for me to learn more?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 20 2025 22:53 utc | 120

Now would be the right moment to destroy Elon Musk’s Starlink constellation which is used on the Eastern Front to bomb Russians in Russia proper.

Posted by: xor | Jan 20 2025 22:53 utc | 121

My take on Ukraine on the day of Trump’s inauguration, the fighting will go on.
Ukraine Update as Trump is Inaugurated

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 20 2025 22:55 utc | 122

Ok… so seems like t g s t at . r u is banned or so because it’s impossible to post links to it.

Posted by: xor | Jan 20 2025 22:58 utc | 123

“Russian media keeps a much sharper eye on what happens in the Empire than the US does with Russia”. – Karlof1 104
This is true, however, I continually watch Russians misjudge US Political-Time frames and that which is politically doable. The choice of Russia to choose a “go-slow”/”no-risk” approach after ex-ukrainia was clearly on the back foot, to not press the advantage and then use reserves to reinforce Russia’s extended positions was, I believe, unwise. Had the Russians pressed their advantage, Trump would have been offered a political off ramp, a “fait accompli” today. Instead, the war must wind on and Trump must be the one to take the bullet for ex-Team-Biden. This choice will create a great deal of friction in the writing of any armistice…not smart.
The idea many Trump detractor here put forth, that Trump could, under current conditions, [created by ex-Team-Biden in the past five months], turn the machine off like a light switch is…nonsense. If Trump turned off the war machine now, it would run for about 9 months; if Trump does nothing, it would run for about 9 months before ex-ukrainia would sue for peace. Realistically, option #two is the politically expedient choice. In either case, approximately 100,000 soldiers must die, this is the legacy of Team-Biden and all the others, be they foreign or domestic, who sought to dismember Russia .

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 20 2025 23:10 utc | 124

What the European right fails to understand about Trump is that he is PEAK American Imperialism. An Imperialism that like Nazi imperialism will seek to colonize Europe. Trump isn’t going to abandon NATO or Ukraine. He is simply going to maximally exploit them like colonies.
Posted by: | Jan 20 2025 19:20 utc
Based on what? Name one thing Trump has done so far, which would support your fantastic theory.
Biden has already screwed over the EU by cutting the supply of cheap fuel … but at least to some extent they did that to themselves. Germans always have the options of coal and nuclear but they choose to go without. Can’t blame Trump or Biden for that.
Posted by: Tel | Jan 20 2025 22:26 utc | 118
Maybe Bakunin17 doesn’t understand the definition of Imperialism:
“a policy of extending a country’s power and influence through diplomacy or military force.” What we have been watching for the last 4 years fits that description. Trump’s MAGA philosophy isn’t isolationist, but it is focused primarily on the economic/international trade sphere.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 20 2025 23:10 utc | 125

Diem, Saddam, Ghadaffi etc, Zelensky needs to keep a horse saddled up round the back with a big bag of gold on it.

Posted by: Squeeth | Jan 20 2025 23:32 utc | 126

DS daily update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4383200/32.0526800
Another relatively slow day, with RFA taking 13.1 kmsq. While this is similar to the DEC average of 13.5/day, it is much less than the NOV pace of 23/day. Still represents a slowdown, not an acceleration.
Gains were:
*In (not near, but IN) Velyka Novasilka. Phalic looking tentacle coming into the city proper from the east side. Actually crosses the east river (VN is sort of in between two small rivers, complicating the attack). Based on the overall envelopment and this breaching, it is probably a matter of days (small days, maybe just 1-2) before the whole town is taken. It sort of doesn’t have any use to the Ukrops now, but was for a time a duplicate Vuhledar. Means something to lose it as a hub and as a lynchpin stopping progress in S Donetsk and even towards Zhap.
*Couple very small advances in the Pokrovsk sector (and more the far W flank, not near the city).
*Advances in fields in Kopanky area, not immediately notable.
*Another advance at at the Oksil River crossing. RFA continuing to look good here. Really surprised this was not repelled.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 20 2025 23:34 utc | 127

ANON2022
“ What is there not to like? Years of destroying Russian industry and society”
Your British stench is overwhelming and thus your urine-soaked Russophobia is quite predictable.
When Ukrainian drones strike Russian energy infrastructure it takes the Russians about a week on average to repair it. Detailed study of Russian economic indicators including hydrocarbon trade shows zero effect of the war at all.
I follow a dozen or so social media posts of westerners who have moved to live in Russia. All of them comment on the superiority of their standard of living in Russia compared to the zionreich west. None of them ever mention any effect of all of any Ukraine military action in Russia. Maybe Britain would get better results infiltrating Pakistani grooming gangs into Russian cities to make more impact on the country.
Russian antiaircraft weaponry is the best in the world and Ukraine are merely furnishing them with useful practice.
Meanwhile Britain shapes up to apply for a bail out from the IMF. In Germany VW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, BMW and others are now sliding toward inescapable bankruptcy. Western industry is being eviscerated by China, there will be zero western legacy car industry in less than a decade. ZionReich west is in collapse and the only stocks worth having are popcorn.
ZionReich west by its bestially idiotic Don Qixote-like military posturing in Ukraine, the Middle East and Asia has only accelerated and catalysed their own self destruction. Couldn’t happen to nicer racist nonce wankers.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jan 20 2025 23:35 utc | 128

@122 thanks for the summary.
>It would also produce a very rapid Ukrainian debt default that would ripple through Western >financial markets.
Note that I posted an in-depth analysis of Ukraine’s sovereign debt yesterday, cross linked from Naked Capitalisms’ 1-19 morning links.
I was surprised somewhat to learn that most of the debt is held by the IMF, World Bank, and EU. Very little is in private investors and thus it may not have much if any effect on Western markets.
Of course, the IMF and EU would scream like stuck pigs. But they’d probably have their losses covered by bailouts from the EU and maybe the US. Someone would mumble something about “force majeure” or “Russian war of conquest made the debt odious” and voila, it’s all written off.
It’s simply a matter of will for the EU and US to send off ones and zeroes to go into some IMF ledger.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 20 2025 23:36 utc | 129

fnord | Jan 20 2025 18:20 utc | 48
*** Freedom of thought and freedom of expression are being replaced by a conformist mentality around the incoming political elites and the agenda set by them.***
Freedom to think and express only what the liberal ‘wokists’ approve and allow (or be punished)?
Is that not enforced conformity?
Both that and its permitted, just installed, alternative do of course include neoliberal + zionist compulsion packages. Oligarch worship is still mainly optional.
Gollygosh, how splendidly free …..

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 20 2025 23:51 utc | 130

There was an interesting exchange this week at the UN between a U.S. blackface ethnic sock puppet (look we’re not racist at all) and China. U.S. bint was whining as usual about Chinese “support” for Russia’s war effort in Ukraine.
China’s reply stated simply that “if China really was supporting Russia, then things in that war would not be as they are”. Implying – do you really want China to join Russia in Ukraine? You wouldn’t like that at all.
This is language that has not been used before by China and hints that the scenario of China overtly joining Russia in Ukraine is not all that distant. The rationale for China is identical to the one that US senators like to endlessly repeat. Better fight your strategic enemy in Ukraine than in your own country. What goes around comes around. Perhaps the North Koreans in Ukraine will gradually become less North Korean.
https://youtu.be/PJfdjyPX-og?si=FdaWPhqsZPMjwlw0

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jan 20 2025 23:57 utc | 131

@ KOB | Jan 20 2025 23:37 utc | 131
re: “Why is nobody on this site talks about the Global Genocide?”
The COVID death rate of unvaccinated people is much, much higher than that of vaccinated people. . ..scientificamerican.com

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 21 2025 0:02 utc | 132

The West is used to acquiring, investing, trading, and making themselves wealthier.
When Russia came in and started conquering Ukrainian lands that they had their eyes on, it made them crazy. Like, meth addict on a seven-day bender shit crazy!
They’ll get over it but not before making sure as many Ukrainians as possible die. It reminds me of blood sacrifice in the Old Testament.
Ukrainians are being sacrificed to cover the sins of Blackrock.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 21 2025 0:09 utc | 133

Posted by: bored | Jan 20 2025 22:05 utc | 108
No, they’re just a weapon system that’s been at the apex of its life-cycle, with few effective counters. Its success though is forcing it onto the path of decline and then stabilisation, before possibly decline again, as it faces ever increasing numbers of ever-increasingly effective counters. Soon the drone will have reached the stabilisation or equilibrium stage, where neither drone or counter has a decisive edge. This phase often goes through micro-cycles where the platform and its counter systems are in a near-continuous counter/counter-counter cycle (think of AC v’s SAMs).
Although the drone’s appearance has caused people to focus on its kinetic impact, one of the real game changers is the platforms ability to remove the ability of ground units to utilise topography and environment to their advantage. The other impact is to act as a force multiplier for all indirect fire missions, allowing real-time correction of aim as the firing unit and aerial observer are one and the same.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 21 2025 0:24 utc | 134

S Brennan | Jan 20 2025 23:10 utc | 125–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, Lavrov’s answers need to be closely looked at and melded into the overall post-1990 context of relations. The Americans cannot be trusted, even Trump given his past behavior. However, Trump is being given an opportunity to show he’s listened and learned. We shall soon see if he has or not. If you haven’t, I highly suggest reading what Medvedev wrote about casting US relations adrift. The signaling done by Medvedev then Lavrov, then Lavrov again followed by Putin all prior to the inaugural event are all very key when combined. One last point: The failure of the Sanctions War proves Russia doesn’t need the Outlaw US Empire for anything; thus, Trump has zero leverage, although the ball’s in his court. Of course, Russia/Ukraine isn’t the only thing on his plate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 21 2025 0:26 utc | 135

Pepe owns this thread.

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Jan 21 2025 0:29 utc | 136

Putin will never be forgiven for pulling Russia back from the horrors of shock doctrine—which, it should always be remembered, was orchestrated by Jeffery Sachs. How he rehabilitated his image and avoided being held to account for that devastation I’ll never understand.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 20 2025 22:13 utc | 112
I was under the impression that Sachs’ recommendations for Poland were accepted in Washington [IMF, World Bank etc] but his recommendations for re=building RF were rejected outright in Washington. So, who let or set the Chicago Heads loose on RF?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 21 2025 0:29 utc | 137

Dumb Bacon @134
Ahahaahaa, you forgot the /s
Keep taking the clots shots and you won’t be one of those stats….. /s
see what I did there?
Dolt

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Jan 21 2025 0:33 utc | 138

Trump can’t and won’t take the “L.” Megalomanic Narcissus can’t handle defeat. His vaunted negotiating skills are useless.
He has NO leverage. After two months, he will own this war.

Posted by: Renodino | Jan 21 2025 0:34 utc | 139

MI5 and the British establishment declared war on Trump and did everything in their power to prevent him getting elected in 2016 and to destroy his Presidency once he was elected.
Starmer openly mobilised British citizens to campaign against Trump in 2024.
The British have made enemies of both Trump and Russia.
And now the bill is due; forget Article 5. The UK is on its own.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Jan 21 2025 0:44 utc | 140

@ Renodino | Jan 21 2025 0:34 utc | 141 about Trump owing the Ukraine situation if not resolved in 2 months
I agree. That said, I think Trump’s prior words have set him up to take the “L”, as you write.
Trump though will double down on Occupied Palestine and the ME, IMO…..energy is a core focus to control for Trump.
Trump is the face of dying empire and will play the role to the hilt.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 21 2025 0:44 utc | 141

Posted by: KOB | Jan 20 2025 23:37 utc | 131
“Why is nobody on this site talks about the Global Genocide?”
“COVID-19″ Genocide: 30,000,000+ dead”
Because Biden just pardoned Anthony Fauci. He will never face federal charges for his crimes against humanity. I hope a state will bring charges against him. Time will tell.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 0:52 utc | 142

Thanks to @barfly who posted that the Klown of Kiev sought, and was denied, an invite to the inauguration.
I only know one word in German and it’s Schadenfreude.
All those years prancing on the World Stage … he’d now swap every hand-me-down Hollyweird trophy for just a brief cameo at Trump’s triumphant return to the Capital.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 0:55 utc | 143

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 21 2025 0:02 utc | 134
Africa was the least vaccinated continent for COVID-19 yet still had the fewest Per Capita number of deaths.
Seems illogical to me.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 21 2025 0:57 utc | 144

fnord | Jan 20 2025 18:20 utc | 48
*** Freedom of thought and freedom of expression are being replaced by a conformist mentality around the incoming political elites and the agenda set by them.***
Freedom to think and express only what the liberal ‘wokists’ approve and allow (or be punished)?
Is that not enforced conformity?
Both that and its permitted, just installed, alternative do of course include neoliberal + zionist compulsion packages. Oligarch worship is still mainly optional.
Gollygosh, how splendidly free …..
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 20 2025 23:51 utc | 132
Reply to fnord:
Trump just signed an executive order prohibiting any part of the federal government from facilitating or participating in censorship.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_f8168c9e-d789-11ef-a02b-1f952a4376e4.html
I share this to educate you on the Left vs Right approach. The Left tries to censor opposing views. The Right tries to educate those with opposing views by countering them with superior arguments.
My wife thinks I should have told you that you’re dumb; I’d rather try to educate you with facts that refute your claims. Please see the article linked above.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 1:05 utc | 145

Posted by: Milites | Jan 20 2025 22:09 utc | 110
Eurovision very difficult to implement
President Trump can say if EU goes alone and should Russia retaliate they are on their own
Hungary,Slovakia etc very difficult to contain now and their ranks could swell
Immediate future, it is US that is calling the shots

Posted by: Michael J | Jan 21 2025 1:06 utc | 146

Posted by: Renodino | Jan 21 2025 0:34 utc | 141
“Trump can’t and won’t take the “L.”
At this point it’s not his”L”, it’s Biden’s. He has been president for less than 12 hours; give him a minute to catch his breath.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 1:15 utc | 147

to Ed bacon # 134. You can’t be serious. Do a DuckDuckGo search for Ed Dowd to get some of the statistics. Read the latest US Con=gress reports. Note that Eco-Scoundrel Danzig has been black balled. Ask yourself why Bribem “pardoned” Fauci.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jan 21 2025 1:20 utc | 148

“Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 21 2025 0:02 utc | 134
Africa was the least vaccinated continent for COVID-19 yet still had the fewest Per Capita number of deaths.
Seems illogical to me.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 21 2025 0:57 utc | 147
Don Bacon is unaware or unwilling to admit that the CDC falsified the data by counting any vaccinated person who hadn’t received the most recent booster shot as “unvaccinated.” Many of those unvaccinated deaths were actually vaccinated. Alex Berenson has done a stellar job of documenting the hoaxes in the COVID response.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 1:23 utc | 149

Re: Trump’s Inauguration this morning, Bo Jo’s hair cut wasn’t cutting it for me. Nor Zuck’s. Elon looking like a high school nerd. And I think it very telling that Occupied Palestine was the center of attention at the rally later this evening. Seems to be surrounded by “influencers”.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Jan 21 2025 1:41 utc | 150

Don Bacon @002 Jan 21
Scientific American??? You actually trust this house organ of rationalist, reductionist, scientistic rather than scientific materialist adademicism that more have died for a an advanced case of the flu than of the MRNA Jabs? Unbelievable faux faith in a belief system.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 21 2025 2:02 utc | 151

One of the main articles of the BBC’s website coverage of Trump’s inauguration was an article on the fashions on display. Yes folks, that’s what the powers-that-be think the plebs are intereted in.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 21 2025 2:13 utc | 152

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jan 20 2025 23:35 utc | 129
Thank you for saving me the time to rebut the usual drivel leaking out of the bottom lips of the British losers. Every country should know that England is on your side, so long as you are prepared to have all your young men slaughtered. No chance in Hades of helping Poland, except for a strongly worded HRH letter to Uncle Adolf, no chance of the BEF helping the French since it took the French and a bunch of English civilians to retrieve the British Army from Normandy. And Zero chance of winning the fight against Russia, with annoying toys and more annoying lip service. Even Canada, after 3 decades of looking the other way, finally figured out that Brits look at Canadians the way the Chosen look at other human beings. British Planning equals the slaughter of everyone but the British Inbreds.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Jan 20 2025 15:29 utc | 3
Bum a bit sore? You seem to like it. You keep coming back.
VINDMAN? One of many useful Idiots, eager to peas on Trump, for the Deep Stench including the Demented Party. Deserves to be court-martialed, stripped of his personal assets, the dropped off over Ukraine sans parachute. Said Vito, “This I do not forgive.”
Oh. And Hundert Jahre Mutual Defense Pact. Does anyone think England to survive a 100 seconds Real War with Russia? England talks big, is as dirty as dirt, but the old Hag has too many miles on her without sufficient investment and maintenance. And they’ve forced other nations to seek alternative Marine Insurance. Talk about extra-dumb. But then again, King UpChuck has declared his desire to be a used tampon.

Posted by: kupkee | Jan 21 2025 2:25 utc | 153

Trump just suspended ALL foreign aid for at least 90 days. That’s enough to do Ukraine in. U.S. money has been making their payroll, not just buying weapons. Ukraine is a problem that can be solved by simple neglect. No money and no guarantee of any going forward will see Zelensky at the end of a rope or fleeing to one of his ill gotten mansions.

Posted by: Totila | Jan 21 2025 2:26 utc | 154

Dunkirk, not Normandy.
Now, go quaft another large glass of fresh buttermilk.

Posted by: kupkee | Jan 21 2025 2:31 utc | 155

Britain’s army wouldn’t fill up an SEC football stadium. They are contemptible dwarves intoxicated in past glories while Muslim rape gangs despoil their daughters.

Posted by: Totila | Jan 21 2025 2:41 utc | 156

@ Totila | Jan 21 2025 2:41 utc | 162
“They are contemptible dwarves intoxicated in past glories while Muslim rape gangs despoil their daughters.”
i wonder how different the usa army is, excepting it would be mexican rape gangs instead?

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2025 2:45 utc | 157

@ James
The American army has serious problems I suspect. I
As for Mexican rapist, we still shoot them with regularity around here and we send them to prison for life quite often. We are setting about deporting the rest now. Hell, Missouri just proposed bounty on illegals.
Americans may not prevail, but unlike the English, we still have the stomach for the fight.

Posted by: Totila | Jan 21 2025 2:54 utc | 158

the mexicans are one of the usa’s greatest assets.. it makes sense some insane americans would want to get rid of them.. its hard to combat that type of introverted and insecure thinking..

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2025 3:05 utc | 159

Trump just suspended ALL foreign aid for at least 90 days. That’s enough to do Ukraine in. U.S. money has been making their payroll, not just buying weapons. Ukraine is a problem that can be solved by simple neglect. – Totila 160
True but, it’ll still take about nine months for the current allocations in arms, men and money to run out. Expect the Galacians ruling Kiev to do their utmost to instigate WW III in a “last chance power drive”.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 21 2025 3:19 utc | 160

@ Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 1:05 utc | 148
That order is not substantive. The most obvious forms of censorship in our society right now are not coming from the federal government, but from local and state governments which are censoring schools and public libraries, or the FCC, which censors the airwaves. In the former case, the attacks are directed towards sexual minorities, people who have already had it bad and are about to start getting it worse, for factors that are beyond their own control.
These “anti-censorship” views you speak of are Orwellian. They are lifting the moderation of discourse on social media to allow right-wing cranks and career liars, Trump’s base, and several commenters here, to amplify their own voices. Left-wing voices will be censored and suppressed, as they have been for a very long time, even if mainly by being drowned out by well-financed right-wing media (including outlets like the Washington Post and the New York Times, which have been major supporters of US imperialism, and which have ruling class owners).

Posted by: fnord | Jan 21 2025 3:21 utc | 161

Africa was the least vaccinated continent for COVID-19 yet still had the fewest Per Capita number of deaths.
Seems illogical to me.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 21 2025 0:57 utc | 147
Not really, covid basically multiplies your internal/malfunction risk of death at any given age. (go ahead and check, covid mortality pre-vaccine was highly correlated to median age of the country)
Your risk of natural death at a given year is a power function (or close enough)
With a median age of 19, most of the population in africa has a negligible risk of dying from anything other than violence, hunger or diseases of the type that kill young people (or enfeebled ones). Covid was nothing of that kind, for people.
Under 37 yo (natural duration for unaided homo sapiens), you’re in the zero to one per thousand risk, same for covid. at 20 you’d be in the 2 per ten thousand risk of being killed by covid, much more likely to starve or get a nasty disease or catch a bullet or a machete.
You would have had almost 280,000 dead by covid, if it hit everyone , but most died of something else, and those that didn’t most didn’t ever get tested. What’s some hundred thousands in 12 millions? they have roughly 50 times what they would be expected to have, easy to miss 1 in the 49 that ought not to be, or fall for one of those.
Want a quick test? India has roughly the population of africa (some hundred million more but let’s go with it)
With a median age close to 28 to africa’s 19, the rate is roughly doubles , and they have official 533,570 covid deaths (under-reported I would bet)
Covid under 35 you’re more likely to die from a sunstroke, a fire or drowning. In your teens forget it you’ll win a significant amount in a lottery before you die of covid.
Now… the vaccine itself, S1 spike you know, is also dangerous, so a good balance would be only vaccinating retired people (or over 50 with problems), but where’s the money in that?

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 21 2025 3:22 utc | 162

@ james | Jan 21 2025 3:05 utc | 165
re: the mexicans are one of the usa’s greatest assets.. it makes sense some insane americans would want to get rid of them
That’s true, Mexicans are essential for agriculture. Stoop labor (for one thing) won’t or can’t be done by anybody else. But let’s do it legally.
. . .from US Citizenship and Immigration Services
Employers sometimes need to hire foreign labor when there is a shortage of available U.S. workers to fill certain jobs. Under certain conditions, U.S. immigration law may allow a U.S. employer to file a Form I-129, Petition for a Nonimmigrant Worker, with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) on behalf of a prospective foreign national employee. Upon approval of the petition, the prospective employee may apply for admission to the United States, or for a change of nonimmigrant status while in the United States, to temporarily work or to receive training.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 21 2025 3:36 utc | 163

Posted by: Paco | Jan 20 2025 16:17 utc | 15 Untrue. Ford preemptively pardoned Richard Nixon. It is always disappointing however unsurprising that Trumpers spout BS.
It is difficult to remember a precedent where a major politician talked about prosecuting Congressmen for acting as Congressmen. See Article 1 Section 6 of the US Constitution. This is part of the original supposedly God-given document.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 21 2025 3:48 utc | 164

@165 james
I think this is a very ignorant comment. And I would hazard a guess that as a Canadian, you have never worked alongside a Mexican in blue collar work or competed with them FOR blue collar work.
Not saying they are not hard workers. Nor am I saying that they, like my ancestors a hundred fifty years prior, don’t deserve a chance to integrate into the American system.
However, I do believe that it can sometimes be too much/too fast, like it is most certainly in this instance.
When you have a large minority surging in, the temptation is there for them to form enclaves that naturally resist acclimation and, indeed, retain pride for their home country. It remains to be seen if in twenty years my daughter will be at a disadvantage for not knowing Spanish in my western state. The local public school is over 50% bipoc, with a large showing of Pacific Islanders. And they are breeding much faster than European heritage Americans.
The assumption I think most people make, too, is that the incoming workers will never demonstrate racism themselves. I can tell you from first-hand experience, that a surging minority population carries with them a great deal of resentment and a chip on their shoulder against white, Protestant culture.
Mexican Catholics are well-behaved, but I would say the hidden-resentment remains, albeit in smoldering form.
My area has already seen a large influx of Ukrainian/Russians that started two decades ago. They are well known for their crime, dirty dealing in the car trade, and their chop shops.
I will leave you with the story of agricultural areas in Washington State that are now teeming with Mexican gang activity and human trafficking. Washington is a northern most state in the lower 48, but the thought of Cartel activity organized this far up in my neck of the words boils my blood.
It is not just the border areas.
Regarding public benefits from charities for which my Catholic Faith supports intensely, there is a lot of dark area around regarding what kind of benefits illegals are getting. Or for other economic refugees. Internet stories tell of receipts with balances for welfare benefits to the tune of thousands of dollars. I can see why people might be angry at this.
In conclusion, I would say that when America experiences an economic collapse unseen in its history, its non-homogenous and most diverse areas will see the greatest uptick in violence.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2025 3:59 utc | 165

Don Bacon @002 Jan 21
Scientific American??? You actually trust this house organ of rationalist, reductionist, scientistic rather than scientific materialist adademicism that more have died for a an advanced case of the flu than of the MRNA Jabs? Unbelievable faux faith in a belief system.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 21 2025 2:02 utc | 157
But it’s Science! It even says so in the name! Why would they lie?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 4:04 utc | 166

@ NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2025 3:59 utc | 172
the racist and ignorant comment was what my response was to… i am surprised at how little you know about me, but how much you think you know..

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2025 4:13 utc | 167

@174 james
I meant no offense. I can see why foreigners would feel that Mexicans are an asset to the U.S.’s bountiful service economy.
Of course, the whole messaging around that belies the understanding that lower class whites have gotten reamed in the last forty years by offshoring, urbanization, and other means to humiliate and devastate them…also with the Cartels flooding their areas with drugs.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2025 4:21 utc | 168

Interesting analysis, B and equally interesting comments, as usual.
I’ve learned NOT to take what our puppets,er, uh…President’s have to say. They are the face of the hegemon, hellbent on world dominance.
It sickens me to see EU poodles line up to kiss some US a** at the expense of themselves too, as we’ve seen this week, as they grovel for the crumbs US will throw off the table for them, if they do as they are told. What about that 100 year deal between Starmer and ZioJew boy in Ukraine, B? Curious what you think about that.
Anyway, the EU vassals are already sucking up to Trump,as he demands their pound of flesh in service to EMPIRE.
Without the Russia bogeyman, NATO has ZERO reason to exist. I don’t hold out a lot of hope that Trump will end the war.
But I DO hold out hope that Russia will end it for them. Will Trump tolerate such a scenario with crazies like Kellogg and Gorka in his cabinet? Time will tell….

Posted by: Kay | Jan 21 2025 4:21 utc | 169

“That order is not substantive. The most obvious forms of censorship in our society right now are not coming from the federal government”
Posted by: fnord | Jan 21 2025 3:21 utc | 167
You don’t read much, do you?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/27/business/mark-zuckerberg-meta-biden-censor-covid-2021/index.html

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 4:30 utc | 170

fnord@321 Jan 21
New York Times and Washington Post as Right Wing media? Have you discovered copies of those two main$cream rags lurking beneath your bed and spreading rightest propaganda? Better give AIPAC or BLM a call, informing them that you have discovered rightwing propaganda within your personal domain. Who knows? They may even be attempting to convert you to Trumpenstein politics.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 21 2025 4:37 utc | 171

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 21 2025 3:48 utc | 171
“Ford preemptively pardoned Richard Nixon. It is always disappointing however unsurprising that Trumpers spout BS.
Actually, this was already discussed by S Brennan at posting #37. You just didn’t read the whole discussion and assumed that the Trumpers were trying to hide it. I’ve copied it below for your convenience. You’re welcome.
“This because, Nixon had, a priori, accepted a punishment, removal from office and acceptance of virtual house arrest.
What Team-Biden has done is unprecedented in US History.”
Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 20 2025 17:47 utc | 37

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 4:42 utc | 172

@ NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2025 4:21 utc | 175
thanks nemesis… their are problems everywhere in the world, but resorting to attacking immigrants seems to be a very poor way of addressing them, especially if you think we are involved in a class war – the wealthy class, happy to see the other classes fighting among themselves… i call bullshit on this part of trumps platform… it is racist and xenophobic..

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2025 4:44 utc | 173

@49 HB_Norica Agree 100% with your comment.
The sending of arms “for as long as it takes” was ad-hoc because it was never intended to be necessary.
The USA simply assumed that the economic sanctions would crush the Russians and lead to regime-change, and all Ukraine was ever expected to do was to keep an army in the field in order to justify the imposition of those sanctions.
And…. the sanctions didn’t work, at which point Washington had to scramble to assemble a Plan B.
Which was to arm Ukraine to the teeth and let them lose against the Russian army in a triumphant “combined arms” extravaganza that would retake Crimea and expel the Russian Army from inside Ukraine. At which point the Russians would be crushed, and then regime-changed. Hurrah!
But that also didn’t work, at which point Joe Biden’s Brain (whoever that might be) had completely run out of ideas.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 21 2025 4:45 utc | 174

Ford preemptively pardoned Nixon but it wasn’t challenged. Further, it was quite clear what conduct the pardon covered. It was not some preemptive blanket pardon for all illegal conduct.
So, in short the issue of preemptive pardons has never been litigated. Further, even if preemptive pardons are lawful, these may be too broad and too speculative. If president can issue a preemptive blanket unlimited pardon, then he can sanction virtually ANY conduct by anyone in government or anywhere else without limit.
So, if these are challenged, there will be some limits placed on presidential pardon powers. Limiting them to charged or convicted offenses seems like a logical llace to start.

Posted by: Totila | Jan 21 2025 4:45 utc | 175

President | Pardons
Reagan | 406
Bush GHW | 77
Clinton | 459
Bush GW | 200
Obama | 1927
Trump | 237
Biden | 8064

Trump 2.0 hard out the gate with 1500 J6ers on Day 1

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 4:54 utc | 176

Scanning comments across the interwebs.
Have seen it suggested that Trump will require Zelenskyyyyyy to hold an election {😵‍💫}.
He’s not the legitimate president of Ukraine…. An election will spawn someone else … who can then be a fresh face, upgraded puppet, with which to negotiate with Putin…
Discuss.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 5:07 utc | 177

Trump’s inauguration – a room filled with some of the most evil people in the world – where’s the hypersonic missiles when you need them.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 20 2025 16:48 utc | 25
No jughead the evil people left today, these are just fat greedy pigs

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 21 2025 5:09 utc | 178

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 4:54 utc | 183
Trump 2.0 hard out the gate with 1500 J6ers on Day 1
Hallelujah! Trump keeps another promise on Day One! I would love to see Trump go after the scum who lied under oath and blocked the defendants from presenting exonerating evidence (we’re looking at you, Liz Cheney) but I think they all got pardoned today. I wonder if they are liable to damages in a civil suit? I don’t think a pardon covers that, does it? A class action suit from 1500 plaintiffs could get to be kinda pricey, no?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 5:10 utc | 179

its all about the money and the power.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 20 2025 16:59 utc | 27
That’s enough dumbassery for one day jughead. If it was all about the money why did he donate every penny of his salary last time?

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 21 2025 5:14 utc | 180

@ Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 5:07 utc | 184
that is a good idea – trump getting an election in ukraine.. the gov’t at present is illegitimate.. regardless of that, it would probably result in someone other then zelensky getting in power, which would facilitate a change more easily with russia..
the flip side of this is the cia would have to approve of it and the new leader, as this is cia run, with the figurehead usa president playing the role he is supposed to play… for this to happen would imply a change of the power structure in the usa and for that reason, i can’t see it happening, but it is nice to dream..

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2025 5:19 utc | 181

Myself. When encountering septuagenerian(+) vaccine proselytisers, I always unctuously encourage them to keep up to date with their boosters.
Hopeful it will deliver its intended?/adverse? purpose, and “rid me of this vaxatious pest”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 5:20 utc | 182

It seems you missed all the news stories covering the statements of ex-team-Biden, contrary. Bla bla bla.
Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 20 2025 21:26 utc | 93
It seems you didn’t bother reading the fine print did you? If you’d have bothered with the details you’d know that these were orders for weapons that will be manufactured and delivered in 2027 or 2028. It’s highly doubtful there will still be a ukraine then.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 21 2025 5:23 utc | 183

And for all you Trump skeptics, look on the bright side. Trump just stripped John Bolton of his security clearance.
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1881525918512161030

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 5:23 utc | 184

nd going on to win a majority of the vote and a super majority of the electoral vote? Oh well, say goodbye to democracy.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 20 2025 20:16 utc | 80
Good grief not another “democracy” retard. LISTEN UP SKIPPY THE US IS NOT NOW NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN A DEMOCRACY

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 21 2025 5:29 utc | 185

Gratifying to see some A-team barflies on duty this arvo (my time).
Skipped a lot of threads in the past week/ 10 days.
Haven’t seen one of my Must Read posters, ole Rhythmic Slang @bar … or have I just scrolled too fast?
Maybe he irked Brigade77 with his ongoing curiosity re oreshnik, and they served him some walnut pie.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 5:32 utc | 186

Hazelnut pie.
With a polonium tea.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 5:33 utc | 187

the attacks are directed towards sexual minorities, people who have already had it bad and are about to start getting it worse, for factors that are beyond their own control.
These “anti-censorship” views you speak of are Orwellian. They are lifting the moderation of discourse on social media to allow right-wing cranks and career liars, Trump’s base, and several commenters here, to amplify their own voices. Left-wing voices will be censored and suppressed, as they have been for a very long time, even if mainly by being drowned out by well-financed right-wing media (including outlets like the Washington Post and the New York Times, which have been major supporters of US imperialism, and which have ruling class owners).
Posted by: fnord | Jan 21 2025 3:21 utc | 167
There us no such thing as sexual minorities, thats the most retarded comment Ive seen in days?
There are normal people and then there are you mentally ill degenerates.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 21 2025 5:35 utc | 188

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2025 5:19 utc | 188
“the flip side of this is the cia would have to approve of it”
It’s starting to look like the CIA just got sent to the doghouse. Trump signed an order to revoke security clearance for 51 intelligence officials and ordered the Director of National Intelligence to launch a 90 day review to look for improper activity within the Intelligence Community. Maybe the CIA won’t have anyone left in Ukraine to muck things up. I hope not.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 5:37 utc | 189

Posted by: fnord | Jan 21 2025 3:21 utc | 167
There us no such thing as sexual minorities, thats the most retarded comment Ive seen in days?
There are normal people and then there are you mentally ill degenerates.
Posted by: Screwdriver | Jan 21 2025 5:35 utc | 195
Yes, that was a goofy statement. You’d think that fnord would realize that having 57 identified genders out there it’s quite impossible to have a majority of a minority. It’s just one big, happy sexual melting pot.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 21 2025 5:46 utc | 190

From X: Milley’s portrait has been removed from the pentagon. It was unveiled 10 days ago.
(With his hand on a map of Ukraine. A nod to the Great 2023 spring-summer-ultimate Fall Ukrainian counter surge. Or whatever that was. )
§ … close up of Milley’s chest covered in patches
X: “all those awards with so little accomplishment. Does each represent a different gender?”
—-

“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told him. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.”
~“General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”
~ Milley also summoned senior officers to review the procedures for launching nuclear weapons, saying the president alone could give the order — but, crucially, that he, Milley, also had to be involved. Looking each in the eye, Milley asked the officers to affirm that they had understood, the authors write, in what he considered an “oath.”

While it might be A Good Thing to reassure China during the tumultuous last days of Tump1.0, Milley’s open braggadocio about having cucked his CoC was ugly.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 6:05 utc | 192

@ james, I see Freeland is throwing in her name, ready for a “fight”, what a douse bag.
Quite sometime back, b wrote an article drawing attention to rank of those commanding small units. Purpose of which was to highlight the lack of tactical commanders and the collapse of the Army.
In the army, everyone is a infantryman. By this stage, they know how to zero and operate their primary weapon, the rifle. Nothing else, after basic training is advance infantry and other trades such as drivers, cooks, etc.
After advance infantry, is further specialized training, mortars, atrcl/atgw, sniper, recon, etc.
The navy and air force are a different cattle of fish. Their intake goes through a separate regime. (Anyone remembers a US navy officer being removed from command for posting a photo with him looking through a scope mounted the wrong way around?)
Now, normally Armies have organic aa assets. In my outfit, these were .5in, 25mm guns mounted on V200s and RBS70s.
Everything else, 35mm towed guns, Hawks, etc were Air Force.
We can assume that the kerfuffle is because Air Force personnel are being thrown into the mincer.
2 reasons. 1. Lack of Air defense assets and 2. They are fucked!

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 21 2025 6:08 utc | 193

O/t only because Fauci was brought up. I hope families pursue wrongful deaths, loss of income due to loss of jobs etc.
What was Gonzales catchphrase again,debsisdead?

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 21 2025 6:14 utc | 194

Trump: EO. Release the J6ers. Now.
Prisons: Not. So. Fast. Today is a holiday. Maybe tomorrow.
https://x.com/LarryBrockJr/status/1881500093213225162

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 6:24 utc | 195

Below is a quote about the Trump executive order about foreign aid

Suspending US foreign assistance for 90 days pending reviews
Trump signed an executive order temporarily suspending all U.S. foreign assistance programs for 90 days pending reviews to determine whether they are aligned with his policy goals. It was not immediately clear how much assistance would initially be affected by the order as funding for many programs has already been appropriated by Congress and is obligated to be spent, if not already spent.
The order said the “foreign aid industry and bureaucracy are not aligned with American interests and in many cases antithetical to American values” and “serve to destabilize world peace by promoting ideas in foreign countries that are directly inverse to harmonious and stable relations internal to and among countries.”
Consequently, Trump declared that “no further United States foreign assistance shall be disbursed in a manner that is not fully aligned with the foreign policy of the President of the United States.”

What are the reality implications of this for Ukraine? Will the effects be felt immediately?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 21 2025 6:25 utc | 196

What are the reality implications of this for Ukraine? Will the effects be felt immediately?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 21 2025 6:25 utc | 203
Seeing comments that this EO is for USAID (Samantha Power) and similar USG/non-profits.
Not military aid.
But, like most things Trumpish.
Who knows?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 6:29 utc | 197

Trump is being fed the same shit by his “intelligence” as was Biden. Yesterday, whilst signing in the oval office multiple executive orders, Trump answered questions asked by journalists. [https://youtu.be/sKY1O7u-sQk%5D
At 25:32:
Journalist: When do you plan to speak to President Putin?
Trump: Could be very soon.
Journalist: And … and you talked a bit about Ukraine and Russia, but how long do you think it will take to end that conflict and . . .
Trump: I have to speak to President Putin, we’re going to have to find out … he’s not … he can’t be thrilled, he’s not doing so well. I mean, he’s grinding it out, but most people thought that war would have been over in about one week, and now you’re into three years, right. So he can’t be, he can’t be thrilled. It’s not making him look very good now. Eventually, you know, it’s a big machine, so things will happen, but … uh … I think he’d be very well off to end that war. We have numbers that almost a million Russian soldiers have been killed; about 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers are killed. Russia’s bigger — they have more soldiers to lose, but that’s no way to run a country.
That’s what his intelligence must have told him.
And more than likely, that’s what Ukraine “intelligence” told USA “intelligence” to tell Orange Man.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Jan 21 2025 6:51 utc | 198

John Bolton smote by Trump
And:
§| Effective immediately, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, shall revoke any current or active clearances held by the following individuals:
(1) James R. Clapper Jr.
(2) Michael V. Hayden
(3) Leon E. Panetta
(4) John O. Brennan
(5) C. Thomas Fingar
(6) Richard H. Ledgett Jr.
(7) John E. McLaughlin
(8) Michael J. Morell
(9) Michael G. Vickers
(10) Douglas H. Wise
(11) Nicholas J. Rasmussen
(12) Russell E. Travers
(13) Andrew Liepman
(14) John H. Moseman
(15) Larry Pfeiffer
(16) Jeremy B. Bash
(17) Rodney Snyder
(18) Glenn S. Gerstell
(19) David B. Buckley
(20) Nada G. Bakos
(21) James B. Bruce
(22) David S. Cariens
(23) Janice Cariens
(24) Paul R. Kolbe
(25) Peter L. Corsell
(26) Roger Z. George
(27) Steven L. Hall
(28) Kent Harrington
(29) Don Hepburn
(30) Timothy D. Kilbourn
(31) Ronald A. Marks
(32) Jonna H. Mendez
(33) Emile Nakhleh
(34) Gerald A. O’Shea
(35) David Priess
(36) Pamela Purcilly
(37) Marc Polymeropoulos
(38) Chris Savos
(39) Nick Shapiro
(40) John Sipher
(41) Stephen B. Slick
(42) Cynthia Strand
(43) Greg Tarbell
(44) David Terry
(45) Gregory F. Treverton
(46) John D. Tullius
(47) David A. Vanell
(48) Winston P. Wiley
(49) Kristin Wood
(50) John R. Bolton
Goodbye “career in punditry’
Without clearance they can’t sit on the boards of defense and intelligence contractors, which is how a lot of these traitors make a ton of money during their “retirement”.
Ole MSM just lost a boatload of “according to 3 people familiar with …” providing anonymous and unverifiable “intel” for their stories.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 21 2025 7:08 utc | 199

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 21 2025 3:48 utc | 164
Dear Mr. Johnson, don’t let your partisanship blind you, I won’t spar with you about truths and untruths since I would be at great disadvantage unable to match your rhetoric, eloquence and the language of discussion being your native not mine, but a general postulate like the one you affirm to be untrue has been stated in a dead language, which implies at least some staying power measured in centuries. The problem with your ballyhooed to death democracy is that it does not exist, beyond being a bought and paid for affair it is a system for electing representatives that does not offer anything to elect but for the commercial sign of a store that offers the same rotten goods, greed, war, oligarchy.
I’m no fan of Trump, but the corruption of the Biden era, the ethics and esthetics of it have finally sunk any hope for the so called “west”, at a time when the whole world is able to witness live what not to long ago took years to find out, the rest of the world, a big majority, is finally able to see that the king is naked,
Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 21 2025 7:08 utc | 200