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January 8, 2025
To Avoid Fighting Large Conflicts Trump Is Creating Smaller Ones

Yesterday, during a media event, president-elect Donald Trump held one of his typical ramblings (video, transcript) which jump from issue to issue without any connecting lines.

It was mostly about his plans for his upcoming reign. He promised more tax relief for the rich, repelling environmental regulations and an increase in oil and gas production.

But what caught the minds of most observers were his ideas on foreign policy.

Trump is rejecting to further raise conflicts with the most obvious 'enemies' – Russia, China and Iran. He is instead diverting the public by providing new targets – Canada, Greenland and Panama.

Trump said that he understood the position of Russia with regards to NATO membership of Ukraine. He thus seems to be genuinely intended to end that conflict:

We're going to have to settle some big problems that are going on right now. We're going to have to settle up with Russia, Ukraine — that's a disaster. I look at numbers every week. … So, we'll have to get that one straightened out too. That's a tough one, much tougher than it would have been before it started, I can tell you that.

and:

So, you know, a big part of the problem was Russia for many, many years, long before Putin, said, you could never have NATO involved with Ukraine. Now they've said that — that's been like written in stone. And somewhere along the line Biden said no, they should be able to join NATO. Well, then Russia has somebody right on their doorstep and I could understand their feeling about that.

But there were a lot of mistakes made in that negotiation. And when I heard the way that Biden was negotiating, I said you're going to end up in a war and it turned out to be a very bad war. And it could escalate — that war could escalate to be much worse than it is right now.

Well, my view is that it was always understood. In fact, I believe that they had a deal and then Biden broke it. They had a deal which would have been a satisfactory deal to Ukraine and everybody else. But that Biden said, no, you have to be able to join NATO.

He goes on to pressure NATO countries to pay more money to the U.S. weapon industry. But it does not feel like he is willing to do a deal – more money in exchange for continuing the war in Ukraine. It is just his usual way of pressuring allies.

Trump is then asked when he will meet Putin:

Well, I can't tell you that, but I know that Putin would like to meet. I don't think it's appropriate that I meet until after the 20th, which I hate because every day people are being — many, many young people are being killed, soldiers. You know, the land is very flat and the hundreds of thousands of soldiers from each — many hundreds of thousands from each side are dead and they're laying in fields all over the place, nobody to even collect, there's landmines all over, it's a disaster.

I hope to have — six months. … No, I would think — I hope long before six months. Look, Russia is losing a lot of young people and so is Ukraine and it should have never been started. That's a war that should have never happened. I guarantee you, if I were president that war would have never happened.

Continuing that war seems to be really off the table for Trump – at least for now. That he is openly recognizing Russia's strategic concern – Ukraine in NATO – gives me some hope that he will find a way to solve the conflict.

During his talk Trump did not mention China at all even as a main competitor or even an 'enemy'. China only comes up in the context of the Panama canal (more on that below.)

Trump also rejected to talk about Iran:

Q: The last time you were here, you were asked a question about the US possibly launching a preemptive strike on Iran. You said you wouldn't answer that question.

Trump: And I said I don't talk about — it's a military strategy. … Look, it's a military strategy and I'm not answering your questions on military strategy. All right. One more. Brian, go ahead. Brian.

Trump has thereby rejected the three potential conflicts, with Russia, China and Iran, that were long leading the headlines. He likely perceives that there is nothing to win in these.

But as he has to provide some fodder for the media as well as for his MAGA followers he is instead coming up with new conflicts which might even turn out to be winnable.

Why not take Canada and integrate it into the U.S. itself? Let's take Greenland from Denmark to better position the U.S. in the Arctic -  or recapture the Panama Canal:

The Panama Canal is a disgrace, what took place at the Panama Canal. Jimmy Carter gave it to them for $1 and they were supposed to treat us well.

We gave it away for a dollar, but the deal was that they have to treat us fairly. They don't treat us fairly. They charge more for our ships than they charge for ships of other countries. They charge more for our navy than they charge for navies of other countries.

They laugh at us because they think we're stupid, but we're not stupid anymore. So the Panama Canal is under discussion with them right now. They violated every aspect of the agreement and they've morally violated it also. And they want our help because it's leaking and not in good repair and they want us to give $3 billion to help fix it. I said, well, why don't you get the money from China, because China is basically taking it over.

China is at both ends of the Panama Canal. China is running the Panama Canal and they come to see this Biden, this guy who should never have been allowed even to run for president. Of course, she shouldn't have either because that never happened. I had to beat two people, not one. But they want $3 billion to fix the Panama Canal that's run by China and makes a lot of money, China.

One of the most profitable structures ever built, because you have ships lined up back to Florida, frankly, and they just keep going through. And the numbers are staggering $0.5 million to $1 million a ship. And they took it away from us, meaning we gave it to him for a dollar, but not going to happen. What they've done to us, they've charged us — they've overcharged our ships, overcharged our navy and then when they need repair money, they come to the United States to put it up, we get nothing.

Most of Trump's claims are false. The charges to pass the canal depend on a ship's size, not on its nationality. China isn't running the canal but has rented port space on each side of it. The biggest problem with the canal is the lack of freshwater needed to run it. It is restricting the numbers of ships that can pass through.

But anyway – like ready made conflicts over Canada and Greenland it is a great theme to divert attention from other conflicts.

It reminds of Ronald Reagan who created minor conflicts, like in Grenada, to be free to make deals with the Soviet 'evil empire' Union.

As Gilbert Doctorow remarks:

The logic I see is that a bellicose stand on produced-to-order conflicts that can be solved at little cost to Washington, the proverbial kicking ass that Ronald Reagan practiced to great effect, is intended to provide cover for what otherwise would look like a humiliating defeat for Washington should it cut military aid to Kiev and stand by passively while the Kremlin imposes capitulation on the Zelensky regime.

Dean Baker is making a similar, but larger point:

Dean Baker @DeanBaker13 – 18:31 UTC · Jan 7, 2025

Trump's pretty clever, he decided that it would be too difficult to confront ostensible U.S. enemies like Russia, China, or North Korea so he's decided to confront allies like Denmark and Canada. It's very MAGA!

Trump wants to avoid the larger potential conflicts as they are too difficult to manage and win. He is instead creating his own small conflicts right next to the U.S. backyard.

It is a nice trick and it may even see some success.

Panama will probably agree to some canal rebates or to a priority for U.S. ships. Canada may concede on trade issues. And the EU, which didn't even protest when the U.S. blew up its main energy supply, may well hand over Greenland without even making a fuzz about it.

All three potential wins which would be welcome by MAGA.

Comments

“As for “global greening” it is already ended and now in decline, as per extensive satellite measurements. All such greening is limited by other resource availability, such as nitrogen and water etc. In addition, the stress from the rising temperatures starts to offset the greening effect of more CO2 in the air.
I will leave you to your island of delusions on this subject.”
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 22:49 utc | 200
Mr. Boyd, with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about:
“Overview
Green plants grow faster with more CO2 . Many also become more drought resistant because higher CO2
levels allow plants to use water more efficiently. More abundant vegetation from increased CO2
is already apparent. Satellite images reveal significant greening of the planet in recent decades,
especially at desert margins, where drought resistance is critical. This remarkable planetary greening
is the result of a mere 30% increase of CO2 from its preindustrial levels. Still higher CO2 levels will
bring still more benefits to agriculture.
Plants use energy from sunlight to fuse a molecule of CO2 to a molecule of water,
H2 O, to form carbohydrates. One molecule of oxygen O2 is released to the air for each
CO2 molecule removed. Biological machinery of plants reworks the carbohydrate
polymers into proteins, oils and other molecules of life. Every living creature, from
the blooming rose, to the newborn baby, is made of carbon from former atmospheric
CO2 molecules. Long-dead plants used CO2 from ancient atmospheres to produce
most of the fossil fuels, coal, oil, and natural gas that have transformed the life of
most humans – moving from drudgery and near starvation before the industrial
revolution to the rising potential for abundance today.
The fraction of the beneficial molecule CO2 in the current atmosphere is tiny,
about 0.04% by volume. This level is about 30% larger than pre-industrial levels in
1800. But today’s levels are still much smaller than the levels, 0.20% or more, that
prevailed over much of geological history. CO2 levels during the past tens of millions
of years have been much closer to starvation levels, 0.015%, when many plants die,
than to the much higher levels that most plants prefer. Basic physics implies that
more atmospheric CO2 will increase greenhouse warming.
However, atmospheric processes are so complicated that the amount of
warming cannot be reliably predicted from first principles. Recent observations of
the atmosphere and oceans, together with geological history, point to very modest
warming, about 1 C (1.8 F) if atmospheric CO2 levels are doubled.
Observations also show no significant change in extreme weather, tornadoes,
hurricanes, floods, or droughts. Sea levels are rising at about the same rate as in
centuries past. A few degrees of warming will have many benefits, longer growing
seasons and less winter heating expenses. And this will be in addition to major
benefits to agriculture.
More CO2 in the atmosphere is not an unprecedented experiment with an
unpredictable outcome. The Earth has done the experiment many times in the
geological past. Life flourished abundantly on land and in the oceans at much larger
CO2 levels than those today. Responsible use of fossil fuels, with cost-effective
control of genuine pollutants like fly ash or oxides of sulfur and nitrogen, will be a
major benefit for the world.” (1)
1. Kindly read and accept the science: https://www.commerce.senate.gov/services/files/FC7C4946-11A3-4967-BF28-8D0386608D3E

Posted by: canuck | Jan 9 2025 12:32 utc | 301

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 22:49 utc | 200
Further, read the science so you can be less ignorant how Co2 actually works: : “I can lead a man to water, but I can’t make him think.”
“Mathematically, the way CO2 absorbs energy, beyond a certain point, is LOGARYTHMIC. that is the CO2 is saturated, and the more CO2 you add now, the more NEGLIGIBLE the temperature increase.
To non-maths people, it’s like the law of diminishing returns.
Posted by: scepticalSOB | Feb 10 2024 13:40 utc | 220
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As Professor William Happer, Princeton professor emerita of astrophysics, has explained very clearly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGn-6kGoD0c
“A Little Learning Is a Dangerous Thing”
See also Chris Morrison, climate correspondent at the Daily Sceptic:
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/02/02/global-plant-growth-accelerates-thanks-to-higher-carbon-dioxide-levels-new-study-finds/
Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2024 15:08 utc | 229″

Posted by: canuck | Jan 9 2025 12:34 utc | 302

I highly doubt Greenland would be better off under the US thumb. In fact, it may be much worse!
Posted by: Kay | Jan 9 2025 4:07 utc | 257
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Any Greenlander welcoming absorption by the USA richly deserves his first “health insurance” bill.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 12:47 utc | 303

I also notice how karl continues promoting this guy for not particular reason, who is Dima afterall? Is it Napoleon?
Posted by: mecano | Jan 9 2025 9:46 utc | 291
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Looks like yet another commenter who doesn’t know the difference between Dima and Nima.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 12:50 utc | 304

Maybe the Joooooooz own Gruff or maybe he’s actually Zionist Jew.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 9 2025 7:34 utc | 279
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Be on the lookout for a fake Gruff. Over on the Trudeau thread there’s a post supposedly by him that capitalized Black (as in the race) and used “gay” instead of “faggot”. Suspiciously un-Grufflike.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 12:54 utc | 305

The Trump position on Russia may boil down to his wanting to build some fine Trump Towers in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jan 9 2025 13:02 utc | 306

Comments claiming that Canadians want to become the “51st state” persist, but are misplaced. Canada is not the US, it doesn’t want to be the US, its founding history was about opposing the American Revolution, and it remains more socialised not for ideological reasons but because of the need to behave as social animals during winter, a fact lost on most of the US who think an inch of slush is a blizzard. Canada has not done well from its US trade, gradually becoming de-industrialised. But Canada has also suffered from one of the most atrocious governments it has ever endured, one which has largely sold its sovereignty for an Oscar Meyer weiner. Like much of the Western world, which assumed that if you were in the US neocon gang you were safe, Canada now has to discover how to reassert itself or get picked apart by its totally immoral neighbour. As does the UK! We all need to consider re-balancing our allegiances, perhaps taking a cue from Turkey about profitable fence-sitting while remembering that Kissinger was serious when he said “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”.

Posted by: Jorge | Jan 9 2025 13:05 utc | 307

I think that rather he is trying to redirect all that bureaucratic and neocon energy toward something more constructive – away from Ukraine/Russia and China. Give them something to chew on.

Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 13:10 utc | 308

About Pepe at Judge Nap two days ago: why not calling the us uk isr alliance a christian zio alliance?
And he mentions the coming signature of a defense pact between ru and ir but this was already signed about their cooperation in syria more than ten years ago…and we saw what happened, no?

Posted by: Tom | Jan 9 2025 13:12 utc | 309

Also his initial inclination will be to undo anything that OBiden was doing.

Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 13:20 utc | 310

The Air Force Trump plane landing (and being welcomed) in Greenland was pretty cool.
We need an de-OBiden commission.

Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 13:23 utc | 311

to Canuck on CO2. While I think you are in general annoying and usually skip your posts, your remarks about CO2 are absolutely correct. I have been trying to get seemingly intelligent people to grasp some simple equations. Given that CO2 is plant food which plants use and give back OXYGEN, lower CO2 = less oxygen. Less oxygen = less life. Bill Gates may be happy with that, but many of us aren’t.
Period. Full stop. Why do people think that industrial scale greenhouses pump CO2 into their greenhouses? Hmmm?
As for the annoyance level, most of my family and friends are riding the climate change virtue signaling. Sad but true. They also fell for the Plan-demic despite all the info I sent out. Remember Event 201 in October 2019? I was really really surprised to hear Larry Wilkerson during a Nima interview refer to worries about “climate change.” Sigh. I don’t think he was referring to depleted uranium, toxic herbicides, toxic plastics, lead in water, GMO frankenfood, etc etc, unfortunately. So I guess annoyance evens out?
Peace out.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jan 9 2025 13:37 utc | 312

Does Trump want peace I can be? Hey
Cross talk on rt Mark Sleboda is far from convinced due to his personality that he does not like a defeat under his name…so the Ukraine issue will continue.

Posted by: Jo | Jan 9 2025 13:42 utc | 313

@ Posted by: Jo | Jan 9 2025 13:42 utc | 316
If Trump can bring the conflict to conclusion in short time-frame, it will be all on OBiden.
The neocons are trying to put the whole mess on Trump, but I think he will be able to avoid.
There will be pressure on Trump, but it looks like he has a plan, of sorts.
This is right up his alley – will thoroughly embarrass all the bureaucratic scum-bags.
You get nothing!

Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 13:57 utc | 314

I think there is another line of tought behind Trump’s rhetoric calling to bring together Greenland, Canada and the Panama canal under US total control. Americans understand that the current US is weaker ghan the China-Russia group and he wants to inflate the US landmass and thus corner Asia. That’s military strategic thinking.
I don’t think that Canadians have any enthusiasm for such a project that would isolate Canadians from the most dynamic countries that currently are the Asian countries and while the US culture is becoming irrelevant. However it will take some time for the average Canadian to articulate that view clearly.
Who would have thought that Canada was digging its own grave while enthusiastically supporting the bellicose regimes in Kiev and Tel-Aviv?

Posted by: Richard L | Jan 9 2025 14:15 utc | 315

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 9 2025 7:09 utc | 274
“So again, I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong – but show me (and us) how Biden the xenophobe is stealing or auctioning off private property in the form of steel members intended for border bollard fencing or rescind and apologize for ‘being mistaken’ again.”
9/11 was 20 years ago, but I remember at the time I read that it was Pakistanis. Since the fence auction was just a few months ago I will research that first. That will be easier to find, then I’ll post the link for you.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 14:26 utc | 316

Richard L | Jan 9 2025 14:15 utc | 318
“I think there is another line of tought behind Trump’s rhetoric calling to bring together Greenland, Canada and the Panama canal under US total control. Americans understand that the current US is weaker than the China-Russia group and he wants to inflate the US landmass and thus corner Asia. That’s military strategic thinking.”
The US will do whatever it considers necessary to maintain dominion in the Western hemisphere. There’s no opposing state forces which can oppose them, nor anyone anywhere in Canada or Greenland. (Whereas US invasions in Latin America will lead to chaos, failed states and insurgencies like US invasions in the Middle East.)
At the latest, when the US considers it necessary it certainly will take Canada’s water, by force if necessary. (But that won’t be necessary. Canada is chock full of every kind of traitor and collaborator.)
“I don’t think that Canadians have any enthusiasm for such a project that would isolate Canadians from the most dynamic countries that currently are the Asian countries…”
Yet for no reason but to obey US orders they gratuitously picked a fight with China by arresting a top Huawei executive on self-evidently bogus charges. They’ll roll over and obey far worse than that.
Canada deserves the same fate as Europe.

Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 14:30 utc | 317

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 9 2025 7:09 utc | 274
Here you go Tom.
Texas action to stop the auction:
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/attorney-general-ken-paxton-blocks-biden-administration-disposing-wall-materials-president-trump
Trump’s action to stop the auction:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-files-amicus-brief-immediately-stop-biden-sale-border-wall-says-conduct-possibly-criminal
Hope that helps. Being that you are in Texas I would have expected you to know about it already.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 14:35 utc | 318

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 15:24 utc | 20
“there is a long history of overt racism by Danes regarding the indigenous population of Greenland.”
Are you suggesting that the descendants of the genociders of the Native Americans will be better than the Danes?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 14:35 utc | 319

To everyone who wants to make NON Americans into ‘instant’ Americans I say PICK your own damn cotton!

Posted by: Trumpeter | Jan 9 2025 14:37 utc | 320

Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 22:05 utc | 189

So, you don’t like Trump. Fine. Who would you elect for President, then? Oh, wait, they are all puppets, controlled by the secret Illuminati from some castle in Europe, so for you it wouldn’t matter anyway.

The point is repeating the truth, since 99% of people haven’t heard it yet. Repeat enough and heads will roll.

I don’t respond to Jew-bashing.

You did though. Sorry, a stupid joke.

You should find some other outlet to vent your hate of other cultures and religions.

The jews don’t compare to any other religion or culture. They’re not just another cozy cherokee or Australian aboriginal tribe. It’s all fake and manufactured from the phoenician beginning (gee, disappearing and reappearing from the ashes under a new name – “normans”, “vandals”, “khazars”, “pretty much every royal family”, etc… might that have something to do with the phoenix that keeps appearing on all those banners and coats of arms).

It is so easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories, but the simple fact is that the rich run the world and control almost everything.

Such word salad. You should make that into a YouTube video.

Posted by: Jack M | Jan 9 2025 14:42 utc | 321

I’m late to the thread and haven’t read most of the comments so this may be in there already, but the mention of Russian troops at the US border miraculously quiets down this kind of Canada-US merger talk. During Trump’s first term as president, he decided to send an abundance of troops to man the Canada-US border. But a quiet convo with Trudeau (in which Trump was reminded that would mean equal opportunity for Russian soldiers cuz that’s the deal in these parts), and that idea faded away.
A repost of The Beaverton’s earlier post which mentioned a joint defence agreement between Canada and Brazil (which, if it is, is so crafty, it elevates Lula into some special category I think)
Experts warn Trump dangerously close to figuring out where Canada is
https://x.com/TheBeaverton/status/1876729944916496435

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 9 2025 14:47 utc | 322

Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 14:30 utc | 320
“At the latest, when the US considers it necessary it certainly will take Canada’s water, by force if necessary.”
We don’t need Canada’s water. I live a few miles from Lake Superior. It holds ten percent of the world’s fresh water. It won’t be running empty any time soon. The only reason California doesn’t have enough water to put out the fires is that the idiots in charge don’t want to put any in the existing reservoirs, let alone build any new ones. I guess they want to play God with the fishes. Lord of the Smelt!

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:02 utc | 323

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2025 16:14 utc | 40
Venezuela??? Is there anyone left there? I thought they all came to America. I went to the grocery store here in America and all I saw was signage promoting Venezuelan foods. Big colorful signs posted everywhere all for Venezuelan foods. Is it that the Venezuelans here have money to buy groceries (thanks to Biden bucks) and true Americans do not? To be fair this has been a third world “state” for decades. White citizens here have been a minority for decades. But you will never hear that in the news. Reality is never allowed.

Posted by: CeaClearly | Jan 9 2025 15:10 utc | 324

Englishman in NY @ 327
Well said.
But you realise thats the next president of america your talking about, the first presdent of the world. And the Galaxy.
In his warped mind.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 15:12 utc | 325

Who knows even Scotland could be on the table

Posted by: Michael J | Jan 9 2025 15:14 utc | 326

Roger, the PICC literally changed the data, as it wasn’t showing what they hoped, the just said all the boys were reading 2 degrees to low, so they changed the data. When you’re saying 1.5 degrees is some tipping point, a 2 degree alteration in the data means the sky fell, but it didn’t
Roger, I’m an organic gardener by trade, the AGW doesn’t make sense and 1.5 degrees doesn’t mean anything either. We have more potential farm land that will become available than we’d lose. The models predict more rain, but droughts too, the everything disaster, it’s gonna be so hot, yet so cold too, you won’t know what hit you. Meanwhile the last 5 years we’ve had lows the USDA said we’re long gone. I watch these events, the weather, the first the overnight lows hit 70, that’s when the grass grows and you start to fertilize — that’s been 2-3 weeks late the last 5 years. Seems there are cycles the models don’t include. That means they don’t know what they’re talking about

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jan 9 2025 15:15 utc | 327

Posted by: Englishman in NY | Jan 9 2025 15:04 utc | 327
“His latest mission seems to be to topple the UK labour gvt. . .
STFU Elon.”
I think transparency is a good thing. If a British posted anything about Keir Starmer trading the innocence of British girls for votes, that person would end up behind bars. By revealing that Starmer looked the other way while young British girls were being trafficked and anyone who complained was charged with hate speech, I think Musk is doing a favor for the British. He’s just saying out loud what they aren’t allowed to say. If that’s election interference, so be it.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:16 utc | 328

Forget the idea of Canada becoming US’s 51st state. Canada is larger than the US, don’t know what kind of joke that was, on Trump’s part.
Different, however, for Greenland. Its mainly Inuit population equals 56,000 (or 45,000 by another count). Not enough for any military exchange in case the US choses to occupy Greenland. So they will sit there and everybody (I hope) will condemn them for this landgrab. Unless Brussels choses to practice premature obedience and somehow tries to legalize it – fools that they may be, you never know.
The good thing is, it makes Trump happy and feel like a great president, thus avoiding WW3 and facilitating to make peace where it matters most, in Ukraine (forget Israel, it’s a hopeless case). The Greenland issue may remain unresolved for decades and then come to some kind of conclusion, like the German unity which arrived in 1989. In the meantime, US invaders should not show up in Nook or any other existing settlement, but build their bases in uninhabited areas somewhere along the vast coastlines. In case they are hoping for a referendum to ever legalize their presence.

Posted by: grunzt | Jan 9 2025 15:18 utc | 329

MDSA Make Denmark Small Again 😀
After that the US will finally be free to start their eternal war against the moon with a grand entrance of a dozen Starships full of nukes right bang in the middle of it.
That will teach those Clangers a lesson! 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 9 2025 15:29 utc | 330

I don’t like to advocate assasination, but…

I think the term “liberal” should be redefined to reflect current norms.

Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 15:32 utc | 331

It reminds of Ronald Reagan who created minor conflicts, like in Grenada, to be free to make deals with the Soviet ‘evil empire’ Union.
Posted by b on January 8, 2025 at 14:31 UTC | Permalink
Read the title and thought right away “Granada worked well for regan”
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 8 2025 15:40 utc | 26

Seizing Grenada by military force is an entirely different animal to seizing Greenland from the Danes.
Grenada is a tiny island whose economy relies on mangos and a marina.
Greenland is a nearly continent sized island that’s a vast unexplored treasure trove of mineral wealth owned by a member of the EU and NATO.
There is way more at stake invading Greenland … it could break up NATO and the USA could lose the EU as a ally. Grenada’s only ally was Cuba so … .
I’m sure the Russians are just giddy with delight over this … Ukraine’s about to lose militarily, Germans are considering firing up Nord stream 2 and now the USA is threatening to attack the Danes … and it’s not just the Danes they are threatening but Canada, another NATO ally. You can sure this development is not lost on the Germans who after all were promised US LNG would make up for the loss of Nordstream.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 9 2025 15:39 utc | 332

Is the Panama Canal still that important? Aren’t the Chinese building an alternative deeper canal in Nicaragua? Panama is a weak link in the Americas, it doesn’t have an own currency, it is just an on shore off shore haven at the mercy of speculators.

Posted by: Teraspol | Jan 9 2025 15:39 utc | 333

Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 21:57 utc | 185
“Would any of you rather have China running things?”
Yes.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 15:46 utc | 334

Why would anyone ever defend Starmer? He tanked on arrival and long before Musk said anything about anything.
The Starmer horse isn’t dead; it’s dead, processed, sold as lasagna, eaten, and on it’s way to the great porcelain bowl any hour now.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 9 2025 15:46 utc | 335

There is way more at stake invading Greenland … it could break up NATO and the USA could lose the EU as a ally. Grenada’s only ally was Cuba so … .
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 9 2025 15:39 utc | 336
The EU amd NATO will willingly hand over Greenland if that is what it takes to reinforce and bolster US hegemony.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jan 9 2025 15:49 utc | 336

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 9 2025 15:39 utc | 336
“now the USA is threatening to attack the Danes …”
Seriously? You really believe that? Wow.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:49 utc | 337

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 22:04 utc | 188
“Recent observations are that the world is greening.”
Lunacy takes many strange forms, but this is possibly the strangest I’ve seen yet.
Probably 95%+ of scientists world wide agree that through human actions the Earth is warming fast and dangerously. If you don’t like the story – fine. But to say that so many professionals are wrong is a) ludicrous, and b) on that basis, how do you ever find a dentist, or even a gardener, that you can trust?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 15:52 utc | 338

I think that scottindallas and c1ue prove my point with their responses.
scottindallas understands the importance of protecting the environment, although he discounts the enormous amount of carbon stored in tree leaves and dropped to the soil every year, but then he said this:
“Interesting theory that AGW is used to discredit climate activism.”
No, my point is that the climate claptrap is used to discredit environmental protection. But the conditioning is so strong that he confuses the destruction of the ecosystem with the propaganda about climate “activism”.
c1ue is totally clueless. I point out that EV cars are a scam that would do nothing to stop the destruction of the environment, and he thinks he is refuting me by pointing out that EV cars are bad for the environment. Except that he didn’t, he further proved my point.
To me, these guys prove my point.
And concern for the environment was never a ruling class issue. The environmental movement was mostly started by people who grew up before WW2 and were dismayed by the destruction of the natural environment after WW2, when capitalism turned the WMDs of WW2 against nature, especially with the poison gases developed to kill people, which were reengineered to kill insects and plants.
Environmental protection laws were written because of popular demand by that generation. The capitalists always hated them, hence the “onerous regulations” they are always complaining about.
That generation is mostly dead, and the current crop of humans has no idea what bountiful oceans or skies are supposed to look like. They’ve never seen that. They prefer AI on their phones, and have been conditioned to think that the only effect humans are having on our ecosystem is burning carbon.
And me bringing up the plight of the rest of the creatures on our planet, now in the midst of the 6th Mass Extinction, only to be answered by people talking, as they have been conditioned, about carbon dioxide, proves my point, imo.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 9 2025 15:53 utc | 339

Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 21:57 utc | 185
“Would any of you rather have China running things?”
Yes.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 15:46 utc | 338
That would be great! I’d love to have some Chinese medical response team come to my house and weld my door shut next time there’s a virus going around. Sounds much better than being forced to wear a stupid mask.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:53 utc | 340

George also never knew that Apartheid would collapse in South Africa and Communism collapse with the USSR, so now Russia doesn’t want more territory and just wants to be left alone to drink in peace.
Posted by: gT | Jan 8 2025 18:01 utc | 94
Great post. While I don’t see Russia expanding their territory an economic relationship between the EU countries and Russia makes perfect sense. Germany is missing Russian gas and raw materials, France has lost her African colonies. They both need to find affordable sources of supply to keep up their standard of living. Russia has what they need right at Europe’s back door. It just makes sense.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 9 2025 15:54 utc | 341

Paranaense @ 332
Far be it for me to defend starmer he’s a knobhead.
But those young girls were abused becouse the racist police deliberatly ignored it.
A tactic to swing british politics to the far right.
The far right encoaraged racists with a clean record to join the police.
That lasted 18 years.
We (antifacists) used to keep a database on them) so this is not speculation.
Dont beleave the MSM.
But your a right wing commeter spreading mis infomation. With a racist bias.
Arent you.
Admit it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:01 utc | 342

Seriously? You really believe that? Wow.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:49 utc | 341
Yes I do. Trump was asked about using military force in Greenland and Panama and refused to rule it out. The USA has destroyed countries with far less to offer them and with far less geopolitical signifigance.
It’s one thing if you’re neighbor threatens to punch you out over a property dispute but something entirely different when a mafia boss “refuses to rule out” burning down your house if you don’t give him what he wants.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 9 2025 16:04 utc | 343

@Scottindallas #74
You couldn’t be more wrong about new forests sequestering more carbon than older ones. It’s quite the opposite. Older growth may not produce wood at quite the same rate but it sequesters carbon in the soil to a far greater degree. I live in British Columbia where deforestation has been a massive carbon bomb, worse even than the Alberta tar sands. You may be an organic gardener but you’ve got some things to learn about forest ecology.

Posted by: Went | Jan 9 2025 16:09 utc | 344

So humor me: if USA decides to invade Mexico, or Canada, and asks it’s EU vassals to provide military assistance, would that work? I mean, the strategic lift capabilities are there, they’ll just be running in reverse.

Posted by: rert | Jan 9 2025 16:10 utc | 345

The EU amd NATO will willingly hand over Greenland if that is what it takes to reinforce and bolster US hegemony.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Jan 9 2025 15:49 utc | 340
If the plan worked and Russia was brought to it’s knees with economic sanctions in 2022 and Putin was replaced by a US puppet I could see the EU going for this but as it stands the EU is a resource poor continent whose economy was only viable thanks to Russian energy.
They don’t have Russian gas any more and seeing the results in Ukraine the USA can’t deliver what they promise so why would they give two fucks about US security and why would they trade the only resource rich asset they hold to a country that can’t deliver what they promise?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 9 2025 16:14 utc | 346

@ Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:01 utc | 345
So the failure to enforce the laws is the fault of the police.
That must have made for a lot of friction between the government and the police.
Well, they have an opportunity to correct the problem now, I would think.

Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 16:15 utc | 347

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:01 utc | 345
“But those young girls were abused becouse the racist police deliberatly ignored it.”
Well there’s a new one! Those far right racist police were afraid to go after Muslim grooming gangs because it might make them seem–racist! What’s next? Are you going to blame the girls for dressing too seductively?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 16:15 utc | 348

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:53 utc | 343
That would be ok. I’d probably come round and issue free wedges.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 16:18 utc | 349

“Seriously? You really believe that? Wow.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:49 utc | 341
Yes I do. Trump was asked about using military force in Greenland and Panama and refused to rule it out.”
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 9 2025 16:04 utc | 346
Look at his history. He’s the only president since Eisenhower who hasn’t gotten the US into a new war. He’s also a bluffer. He uses his outrageous persona to keep people guessing and strengthen his position for negotiation. Don’t look at the talk, look at the action.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 16:23 utc | 350

@ 351
They were’nt afraid, it was a deliberate tactic. Getit.
Re read my @ 345.
Typical racist twisting my words and the truth.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:25 utc | 351

“without something massive that will suck up the 500 million to 1 billion cubic feet of natural gas, per day, excess to existing pipeline transport and ND usage, the state’s own anti-flaring law prevents new well development.”
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2025 23:57 utc | 209
Do you even realize what you said? Do you realize how stupid it sounds to sensible people?
You are angry that anti-flaring laws are stopping new wells from being developed. To sensible people, what is the point of developing new wells, only to burn off the natural gas obtained?
The flaring of natural gas in North Dakota and Texas and Oklahoma has been visible from space. What is the point of drilling a well and then burning off the gas? Gas is a limited resource, and burning it is wasteful. Once it’s gone, it’s gone, but you advocate drilling and burning more.
That is Stupid Beyond Belief.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 9 2025 16:27 utc | 352

It seems to me that if the USA can destroy Europe’s greatest energy lifeline without repercussions, it can take Greenland with no greater reaction than “Please beat me harder, master!”
It would be a great humiliation for the EU and, in particular, Denmark, but so what? Whether because of bribery or threats, the “leadership” will ultimately cave in to US demands. The only things that could stop them are armed revolution or prolonged general strikes with the support of local military and law enforcement, both of which are, to put it mildly, unrealistic scenarios.
In any case, talk of admitting Greenland as a US state is silly. If the Dims think Greenlanders would vote Rethug, they’ll oppose, and vice versa. Same goes for Canada (which isn’t low-hanging fruit for acquisition anyway) unless it could be divided into an equal number of Dim and Rethug states.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 16:30 utc | 353

Jared @ 350
Why why would they do that ? they wont do that, duh.
Their right wing and they want to push the public /voter even further right.
They need the right wing grunts / racists, zeniphobes, for wars, cannon fodder. As workers your redundent.
They got AI.
Get with the program.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:33 utc | 354

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:25 utc | 354
“Typical racist twisting my words and the truth.”
I didn’t realize that you are a racial minority as your words here show up as the same color as everyone else’s. How can I be properly racist if you don’t clue me in that your rhetoric deserves special treatment? Maybe you should quit trying to discredit others and shore up your own argument by playing the race card. After the 200th time of Trump being called Hitler people stopped believing it and just rolled their eyes. At some point the invective loses it’s power and you need to come up with something that works.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 16:35 utc | 355

So glad to see the end of the Obama third term overseen by the senile Joe Biden and really operated by Toni Blinkensky and Jake Russiagate Sullivan……..hundreds of billions of dollars wasted supporting Nazis in Kieve, and destroying America’s energy independence……good riddance.
DJT on the first day needs to clear the socialist fascists out of the federal government, and cut off the Ukronazi cash scam.
DJT on the first day needs to seal the southern and northern borders where the demonazis have deliberately opened to de-stabilize the American Republic, cause chaos, repress dissent……….
DJT’s American economy was the best since WWII, with record low levels of unemployment, no foreign wars, and secure borders. Compare that to the chaos and anarchy and political repression that was the bedrock of Biden (Obama) years……good riddance in indeed !

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 9 2025 16:39 utc | 356

@ Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:33 utc | 357
Well, I would think that would mean that either the public do not care that the government is choosing not to enforce the laws to protect them or that they were not aware that this was happening – with it appears the knowledge of the government.
So now that is being raised as an issue and might be addressed.
The government would have to argue that they have been making every effort to enforce the law but that these new people are simply unwilling as a group to obey laws and respect others.

Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 16:40 utc | 357

@ 358
Oh you dont think invading over countrys for economic reasons is facist ?
You dont think condoneing mass genicide in Gaza is facist ?
What about the young children in Gaza.
Fucking hypocrite.
End of.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2025 16:42 utc | 358

Dima is somebody who really dedicated his life for telling people what is going on in Ukraine. I suspect he has a lot of connections everywhere as he usually gives thoughtful speculations about a clandestine developments around this war.
He was presenting twice a day but even he cannot stand it any more.
He is a kind of golden standard for reporting about the war in Ukraine.
Posted by: vargas | Jan 9 2025 11:25 utc | 294
I agree with this. Dima is my go-to for events in Ukraine. He’s a bit like dog with a bone sometimes and he continually over enthuses about breakthroughs and collapses (I feel he still has nt quite grasped what a brake on offensive efforts a drone squad can be) but on the whole he does a great job and he’s tireless. I really should bung him some crypto.

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 9 2025 16:50 utc | 359

@Jane #130
Let me be clear: . . .
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2025 23:49 utc | 205
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Whom are you talking to?
Not me, that’s for sure.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 9 2025 17:01 utc | 360

wagelaborer@1627
Totally agree that burning off natural gas in oilfields is utterly wasteful of natural resources. Solution would be to industrialize both the Bakken formation in N.D. and Mont. as well as Oklahoma and perhaps Texas. Natural gas has numerous uses. Thus those states…and probably the Feral government, should begin the process of reindustrialization in those resource wealthy areas in order to restore our infrastructure.
Why not gas-fueled power-plants that would generate considerable electrical power? Reconstruction of the electrical grid is highly essential. Construction workers would be delighted and so would be the builders of “instant” homes to house all the workers who would be part of the infrastructure. As AI generation and other high-tech needs tend to gobble up huge quantities of electricity…why not terminate expansion of Silly-Cone Valley and create replacements for new tech in those half-deserted states in the Bakken zone and also in those portions of the Permian Basin area in situations immediately accessible to the source of the “juice”.
Burerucraps and more particularly administrative bureaucraps prefer to run in place. They are inherently incapable to think outside the box. New housing sites in cold, windy and barren High Plains states should be developed with earth-sheltered domiciles, with passive-solar windows bringing in the light. Such homes would use relatively little natural gas for heating purposes and would require relatively small amounts of nearby gas to electrify them. Generous vacation policies on the part of the infrastructure systems could allow their employees to take two or more visits to sunnier, warmer climes.
Another benefit for the infrastructure would be the development of high-speed rail links with primarily elevated tracks to those sunny destinations. Thus expensive and boring airport travails would be no longer essential to get somewhere else in jig time. These high-speed rail “escape valves” could serve as templates for a nationwide system.
Thinking outside the box is utterly essential to a revivified America….and don’t expect those ideas to originate to on the make pro$titicians OR amongst the bureaucrapancy.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 9 2025 17:02 utc | 361

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 15:24 utc | 20
“there is a long history of overt racism by Danes regarding the indigenous population of Greenland.”
Are you suggesting that the descendants of the genociders of the Native Americans will be better than the Danes?
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 14:35 utc | 322
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Answer your own question:
Just read the whole post.
And cut out the “suggesting” BS.
If you have an opinion, state it clearly as your own.
Christ.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 9 2025 17:08 utc | 362

Probably 95%+ of scientists world wide agree that through human actions the Earth is warming fast and dangerously. If you don’t like the story – fine. But to say that so many professionals are wrong is a) ludicrous, and b) on that basis, how do you ever find a dentist, or even a gardener, that you can trust?
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 15:52 utc | 341
Reality is not the outcome of a vote. Galileo was once in the minority (he was the minority!).
Science which throws doubt on AGW does not get funded so its no surprise there is a consensus among scientists on this issue and climate science is not an outlier in this regard unfortunately. Follow the money

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 9 2025 17:10 utc | 363

Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:02 utc | 326
“We don’t need Canada’s water. I live a few miles from Lake Superior. It holds ten percent of the world’s fresh water.”
True, in places like Los Angeles, Phoenix and Las Vegas they talk about first building a pipeline to steal Great Lakes water. But they expect eventually to want Canada’s as well.

Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 17:17 utc | 364

Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 9 2025 7:20 utc | 277

“successfully” – Wrong, or lies, quién sabe ?
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 9 2025 0:30 utc | 233
Since my reply was autoflushed, probably because it involved a bunch of “+” or a response to obvious troll “x”… do you have the most basic understanding of history?

“Do you have the most basic understanding of history?”

An amusing question, since, you, rather obviously, do not.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 9 2025 17:22 utc | 365

@ flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 17:17 utc | 367
@ aristodemos | Jan 9 2025 17:02 utc | 364
Oh no, that won’t do. We Americans don’t waste money on infrastructure. That was a folly of the past. MIC contracts and stock buybacks, baby!

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 17:37 utc | 366

It is remarkable the number of people in a Trump-cult commentariat spout propaganda about how AGW while ignoring that Greenland’s potential is highly rated because…global warming will change the sea lanes in the Arctic as the polar ice caps melt. When people like Trump start laying plans for the hot new world, even the nuttiest devotees should notice.
Similarly, it is odd that people who profess to steadfastly defy wokism as a globalist plot to destroy civilization automatically follow #MeToo notions about so-called grooming. Personally I don’t believe in the ability of wokeness to undermine the God-given laws of human nature and thereby turn the masses into slaves. But that doesn’t mean I automatically accept that there really is an obvious criminal activity called grooming that must be denounced on accusation with government purges required to force performative rage against future targets of accusation.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 17:37 utc | 367

Interesting view from an Arab-Jewish Israeli:
https://open.substack.com/pub/alonmizrahi/p/the-moment-that-sealed-americas-fate?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Posted by: Chris N | Jan 9 2025 17:42 utc | 368

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 9 2025 17:10 utc | 366 The objection is only superficially plausible. Galileo was in the religious minority that read the Bible as compatible with the reality they found. His opponents were not contesting so-called science, which they no more accepted as authoritative than this commenter does. They were imposing their understanding of religion, their particular reading of the Bible as authoritative. There’s a story that one of his theological opponents refused to look through a telescope. But citing Galileo as if it was a struggle between scientists is thoroughly dishonest, a case of calling black, white.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 17:43 utc | 369

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 9 2025 17:10 utc | 366
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Thanks.
So many people here understand perfectly well the centrality of narrative control and outright censorship in regard to Zionists/Israel/Palestine, but for some reason they think that climate politics are only about “the science.” Ditto for the covid op—yep, that was all about public health!! No one was making billions off dodgy “vaccines”!
I have seen the politicization of a highly respected independent scientific institute right in my own backyard via the imposition of a new “fighting climate change” mission . I know who some of the people are who imposed this agenda, and whom they worked for previously. Just one example.
Watch “Climate: The Movie.” Obviously you don’t have to agree with every opinion expressed in it; you may feel that some interviewees don’t emphasize conservation enough. (OTOH, the mainstream narrative says zero about the incredible waste of energy and and environmental destruction incurred by military adventures—esp. those of the US military. Cognitive dissonance, anyone????) But I think the public should pay attention to the statements by established scientists regarding the pressures they have been under to toe the official climate line, just to get funding for their work and their labs and graduate students.
As for the consensus science referenced by James, please do check out
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/08/17/another-eminent-scientist-dissents-from-the-settled-climate-science-narrative/
See also
https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/
See also
https://clintel.org/is-the-detection-and-attribution-of-climate-change-really-settled-science/
More info on genuine climate science and the role of CO2 in the atmosphere and on earth available here:
https://co2coalition.org/
” Providing the facts about CO2 and climate change –
CO2 Coalition is the nation’s leading organization providing facts, resources and information about the vital role carbon dioxide plays in our environment”

Posted by: Jane | Jan 9 2025 17:49 utc | 370

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 9 2025 17:02 utc | 364
“Why not gas-fueled power-plants that would generate considerable electrical power?”
Because that’s not “green” enough for this bunch. It makes perfect sense to normal people but the true believers don’t want anything to do with fossil fuels, even if it ends up as electricity. I hope the first thing Trump does after pardoning the J6 political prisoners is to trash the Green New Deal.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 17:52 utc | 371

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 12:50 utc | 307
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Reading can be difficult for the simple-minded.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 9 2025 17:53 utc | 372

True, in places like Los Angeles, Phoenix and Las Vegas they talk about first building a pipeline to steal Great Lakes water. But they expect eventually to want Canada’s as well.
Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 17:17 utc | 367
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I think there are water sources closer to Los Angeles that have not been tapped. At least, this is the message in the context of the wild fires currently raging there. That reservoirs were not kept at capacity and that is why fire hydrants have gone dry. The lady who is in charge of keeping the hydrants working makes $750,000/year.
Las Vegas should never have been built, from a water POV. But, ironically, the construction of the Hoover Dam put Vegas on the map.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 9 2025 17:58 utc | 373

Probably 95%+ of scientists world wide agree that through human actions the Earth is warming fast and dangerously. If you don’t like the story – fine. But to say that so many professionals are wrong is a) ludicrous, and b) on that basis, how do you ever find a dentist, or even a gardener, that you can trust?
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 9 2025 15:52 utc | 341
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Climate change…
You are also one of those blind people who absolutely has to, wants to, and would like to blame this change on humans!
Climate change has always existed, your common sense would help you, you don’t need so-called experts…(of the 95% of them, at least 75% who have a different opinion were silenced)
Use your common sense!!!
Example: Greenland right now…why was wheat grown there in ancient Rome…where there is ice today?
Why did the ancient Romans wear short skirts at least at the beginning of their conquest of England, Europe…was it too warm for them?
Why do old scrolls speak of great drought and failed harvests? Yes, even of great hunger due to crop failure! AND ALL OF THIS WITHOUT INDUSTRY, without the alleged climate killer CO2
Where has the hole in the ozone layer over the Arctic gone that threatened us about 40 years ago and is said to have killed us for about 25 years! Find answers and for once allow ALL EXPERTS to have a say, not just the obedient chosen ones… and check who is financing the relevant organization that is causing the panic…
PROVE that your IO is sufficient to ask questions.
Until then, it is better to remain silent on topics that you have no idea about… like all politicians, for example!

Posted by: ossi | Jan 9 2025 17:59 utc | 374

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 9 2025 17:10 utc | 366
“Reality is not the outcome of a vote. Galileo was once in the minority (he was the minority!).
Science which throws doubt on AGW does not get funded so its no surprise there is a consensus among scientists on this issue and climate science is not an outlier in this regard unfortunately. Follow the money”
Thank you for stating it so clearly. I remember when Dr. Fauci was science. Disagreeing with him was like arguing with God. Now we know that he was responsible for funding the virus and lying to Congress about it. He did pretty well financially, I think he’s worth millions now.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 18:00 utc | 375

Posted by: CeaClearly | Jan 9 2025 15:10 utc | 327
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Venezuela and Cuba are examples of countries that refuse to get down on their knees for the US whenever Uncle Sam snaps its finger. This is hard for Norte Americans to understand because, unless you are born rich, you are born on your knees.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 18:07 utc | 376

Elon Musk’s Move Into Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0kvjNh7czM
“Yanis Varoufakis and Cory Doctorow on fighting billionaire control.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 9 2025 18:19 utc | 377

aristodemos: Yes, it would make sense to restructure our infrastructure to accommodate natural gas if there were actually a long-lasting supply left.
Unfortunately, visualizing unlimited resources is no more realistic than visualizing a sex change makes you the opposite sex. The former is a delusion of the right, the latter a delusion of the liberals.
I’m pretty sure that there have been gas-fired electrical plants and gas-fired vehicles, but the fractured shale gas exploitation was always going to be a limited operation, and most of the money made from it was made from speculation on investment funds, not on the actual selling of the gas. Hence, the corporations burning off the gas they produced without even bothering to sell it.
As I tried to point out in my original post, the humans alive today have NO sense of reality, or limits.
Look at the outrage expressed by people who insist that of course 18,000,000 humans can move into a chaparral/desert environment and have plenty of water available for their needs, including when they move into the mountains and clearcut the vegetation there, and then scream about the Evil Government when they have fires or mudslides.
How is it so difficult to understand that when you have an average annual rainfall of 12 inches, you don’t actually have bountiful reservoirs, and can’t actually support 18 million people? They literally don’t understand the concept of limits.
And what about the treaties with Mexico guaranteeing the sharing of the water? Americans don’t need to follow treaties! Screw the Mexican farmers! They can move north and pick strawberries irrigated with stolen water, instead.
Water for fish and wildlife? Damn environmentalists are Literal Genociders if they want to make sure that the whales don’t die out! (American) humans are more important than marine creatures.
The sense of entitled arrogance reeks from both sides of the political divide. This won’t end well.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 9 2025 18:23 utc | 378

I think the term “liberal” should be redefined to reflect current norms.
Posted by: jared | Jan 9 2025 15:32 utc | 334
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Jared, I don’t know who you responded to, but I am too lazy to search. It would help if you identified the comment; it would be a courtesy. I’m not fussing; I’ve done it myself.
Many of the US Founding Fathers were the liberals of their day. You could always spot one; they were the white folks who didn’t beat their slaves too much or too often.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 18:28 utc | 379

Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 17:17 utc | 367
“True, in places like Los Angeles, Phoenix and Las Vegas they talk about first building a pipeline to steal Great Lakes water. But they expect eventually to want Canada’s as well.”
Of course that’s ludicrous. They don’t even want to build new reservoirs in their own back yard. I lived in Auburn CA and there’s still a huge scar where the state started building a massive hydro electric dam on the north fork of the American River.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Dam
It was stopped in the 1970’s due to environmental concerns.
The state also shut down several functioning nuclear power plants because “nuclear” don’t you know. They seem to be very good at painting themselves into a corner and then expecting others to bail them out of their mess. They have all the water they need, they just need to elect some adults to fix the state.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 18:32 utc | 380

Another example of humans of today not having any sense of reality or limits is the talk about increasing weapons to Ukraine by Congressional action to fund them. No one seems to understand that creating $50 billion does not actually create the weapons. The weapons actually have to be manufactured. This is not a concept that most Americans can grasp.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 9 2025 18:33 utc | 381

Thank you for stating it so clearly. I remember when Dr. Fauci was science. Disagreeing with him was like arguing with God. Now we know that he was responsible for funding the virus and lying to Congress about it. He did pretty well financially, I think he’s worth millions now.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 18:00 utc | 378
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Dr. Fauci “may” have been a liar and a crook, but that has nothing to do with the science of COVID-19. I think it was made in a lab using the best science money could buy, probably in Ukraine, but blamed on China. You also have to remember that Fauci worked for both the Trump and the Biden Administrations, and both were crooks.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 18:40 utc | 382

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 18:40 utc | 385
“I think it was made in a lab using the best science money could buy, probably in Ukraine, but blamed on China.”
No, it was created at the Wuhan Institute of Virology with funds directed by Dr. Fauci (illegally) using Peter Daszak at Ecohealth Alliance to circumvent the Obama Administration’s ban on gain of function research. You should look up the video clip of Rand Paul grilling Fauci about his involvement and Fauci sweating and yelling to weasel out of the charge.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 18:52 utc | 383

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 18:52 utc | 386
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Trump will now have the opportunity to prove that if it is true, but somehow I suspect that he will not pursue that issue.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 19:00 utc | 384

wagelaborer@1823 Dec 9
Generally agree with your assessments. Here in the ruptured republic there are precious few adults in the room. That issue has a number of roots…one of which is when J.D. Rottenfeller established the medical and pharmaceutical industries; along with various foundations which his descendants have controlled to this day.
Even more egregious was his founding and funding the college of edumacasion at Columbia University in ca. 1920. The goal was met when the one at Columbia metastasized right across the fruited plane, with those so-described colleges of “education”. As per his own words, Rottenfeller I developed the vision of deliberately dumbing down the Murrikkkan public.
Not that there was much resistance by the propagandized (think Bernays) American public, which succumbed to the promises and pleas of the consumerist programming pattern and were rapidly insorcelled into the meme of “newer is better”, as part and parcel of a developing loss of common sense.
Metaphorically, we can consider the turn of the 20th Century’s word for tuberculosis. It was called “consumption”. One may project that meme into a near future which would lead to such assessments as “America died of consumption”. So as you tellingly point out, the general public of a handful of oligarchs and working serfs/consumers have no concept of limits.
Industrialism, centralization and urbanization deprived the general public of any significant contact with the natural world and thusly of an informed sense of oneness with all that is. Overheated religiosity along with rationalistic, materialistic overedumacated, hyp0er-specialized, tightly focused idiots combined with the loss of “waste not, want not” overindulgence in “resources”, both human and material.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 9 2025 19:03 utc | 385

The sense of entitled arrogance reeks from both sides of the political divide. This won’t end well.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 9 2025 18:23 utc | 381
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Humans, coupled with advanced science and industry, have become parasitoids to planet Earth and the other species that live on it.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 19:14 utc | 386

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 19:00 utc | 387
“Trump will now have the opportunity to prove that if it is true, but somehow I suspect that he will not pursue that issue.”
I agree. One of Trump’s biggest weaknesses is pride. He will never admit that Fauci misled him and that the whole COVID response was a disaster. Fauci should be prosecuted but that would require Trump admitting that he was wrong.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 19:14 utc | 387

Jane@1749 Dec 9
Correctly, you have pinioned the massive wastage of not only the targets of “our” overblown military-industrial WarDefense Industry. Yes, they are there to enhance the profits of mega-billionaire and even trillionaire major shareholders…along with the destruction of a long list of targets for that horrific industry. With bases in more than 700 foreign lands; that “industry” is toxic to national security and abundance of those targeted “enemies”.
It’s a racket, folks…a racket where the rich get richer, the people become poorer and sicker and the environment suffers from all the fuel and other consumptions by that non-defense industry. It’s a matter of aggression, pure and simple. Those financial resources should be directed towards restoring America’s decaying infrastructure…before it’s too late.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 9 2025 19:14 utc | 388

Of course that’s ludicrous. They don’t even want to build new reservoirs in their own back yard.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 18:32 utc | 383
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Who needs reservoirs when you can have swimming pools in your back yard?

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 9 2025 19:16 utc | 389

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 19:14 utc | 390
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Good point, we can leave it at that.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 9 2025 19:16 utc | 390

steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 17:43 utc | 372
“But citing Galileo as if it was a struggle between scientists is thoroughly dishonest, a case of calling black, white.”
On the contrary, that’s exactly what it was. The Vatican called in several leading establishment scientists who testified that Galileo’s depictions were junk science.
Of course they were eventually found to be wrong and Galileo right. But the notion that this was a straight up fight of obscurantist religion vs. heroically pioneering “science” is a myth and by now a big lie. Read Paul Feyerabend’s multi-chapter analysis of the Galileo case in Against Method.

Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 20:18 utc | 391

Damn I thought b had nixxed my comment. Turns out I posted it on wrong thread. Trouble with having multiple windows open…
My observation is that It should be said that 47ths first objective has spectacularly worked out with a little help from his friends – the social media, mass media and much ‘Alt Media’ of Every Fake wing…almost as if they have all been connected all the time! 
Lol.
Remember StinkyMusks kitchen sink metaphor arriving to become the champion of the Collective Waste?
This is Trumps version a flash bang and pointing away from where the trick is actually happening. 
Abracadabra – Ukraine off the pages. The others to follow suit. 
Even the Sachs ‘sonoffabitch’ Nuttyahoo seems choreographed. 
Jeffrey has been developing his shtick of the ‘Honest Broker, Wise Man who can be brought in … errm just like he did with Yeltsin and Gorby back when the whole escapade took off… just saying.. let’s see if Russkies are born suckers and fall for it again.
The surrender in Kursk not far off. Soldiers will drop weapons and walk back home. 
Or face Annihalation as whatever Last of the Ukranians they can throw in there.

The Golden Billion Garden being constructed around the Pond of the North Atlantic to plug the NSR – these pesky canals and choke points become … useless. 
But they will attempt it and lay claim to the ‘good things’ about civilsation. 
Exclude themselves from the majority. The it’s our ball and I’m going home with it so game over unless you let me win pout.
Oh dear oh dear … it’s like a kids balloon that gets pumped beyond its physical limits and will POP! into lots of shredded pieces. You can’t tell some kids the inevitable consequences.
YankeeDoodles should embrace their blowback balkanisation and pray to get real free trade deals with the Multipolar majority. Get your own localities in order. Keep your own roads safe. Have enough emergency services. Don’t be a continuing slave nation with the bid best number of slave prisoners to cover up that neverrelenting history of ‘independence’.
Equally goes for us European vassals too. We now hand daily rent to SillyCon fake wizards for their Banker Slave Owning Masters for everything from a delivery service for fast food to everything else whilst forcing us to buy energy at triple the price of what we were getting 3 years ago.
Our shops and high streets further destroyed our pubs and clubs and parks vanished. Churches long abandoned by the new pulpits of web apps. We carry around everywhere like a rosary bead.
We are being made paupers so that our progeny will return to being insecure wage slaves and renters for ever kept within our parishes… back to that golden era for the imperialist swine and Money Dynasty’s.
A giant POP! tears before bed time for the Hegemon after Millenia of trying to enslave the WHOLE world and cull its majority of humanity.
I’d get some more popcorn but am feeling fairly stuffed already. Need to keep room for when we hand them for their villainy. They will submit Oreshnik demonstrated their supposed deepest sanctuary’s aren’t deep enough. And RF knows where they all are.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 9 2025 15:11 utc | 192
Ps.. all those purveying the Pakistani grooming gang narrative. You are selling a story.
The perps are BRITISH. From a certain area. Grooming is not paedophelia. Paedophelia gangs have been widespread in British areas and towns for a verrrrrry long time.
Besides from that. The whole shitshow has been always shovelled under the carpet. Even when honest coppers have done honest jobs in these instances. The Home Office and security services have always derailed, played slow and ultimately shelved any charges…
So if you don’t know exactly all that and are emotional button pushed by some funny tinged Brits doing the same as mostly gammon Brits have been doing at greater scale then you are pandering to the dog whistle racism … hiding the GREATER crimes.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 9 2025 20:21 utc | 392

Posted by: flying dutchman | Jan 9 2025 20:18 utc | 394 Feyerabend’s Against Method and its fame came after my college. And frankly the advocacy of anarchism in any form strikes me as pretty much guaranteed to be reactionary, so I certainly haven’t invested in private purchase, and won’t. So I can’t directly argue against the authority. I can remind you (and Feyerabend’s ghost?) that Starry Messenger was most certainly not rejected as junk science, nor was his work on motion. His theory of tides was, but it was wrong and should have been. As to powerful people in the Church recruiting eminent scientists to defend their status quo, that is precisely why credentialed scientists are hired to work for energy companies and policy institutes and political propaganda films. They are not the Galileos of climate science, they are the men called in by the today’s equivalent of the Church. In the sense of trying to falsely claim Galileo’s mantle as heroic, you are indeed calling black, white. No out of field scientist weighing in on climate science denial is threatened with torture, not one. Being discredited in the eyes of people who know their own field is not even house arrest!

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 21:11 utc | 393

Ps.. all those purveying the Pakistani grooming gang narrative. You are selling a story.
The perps are BRITISH. From a certain area. . . .
Besides from that. The whole shitshow has been always shovelled under the carpet. . . .
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 9 2025 20:21 utc | 395
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You know that?
How?
Let’s have a proper investigation and find out the identities of the perps and their victims.
And whether Starmer and his agency suppressed earlier investigations or not.
His current blizzard of buzzwords suggests that he and his spinmeisters are working overtime to criminalize asking questions about this.
“Have been doing it (what?) for a long time” does not cut the mustard, not even English pub mustard.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 9 2025 21:13 utc | 394

The exchange between Ed and the liar Paranaense is another example of rampant BS. It was Trump who was raving about Chinese flu back in 2020. If anything it was Fauci misleading the American people on behalf of his ultimate boss, Trump, by not making it perfectly clear this was insanely irresponsible politicization for the basest sort of partisan gain. My personal suspicion is that Fauci also was deceptive about masking, but again, it was the Trumpers who for some unspeakable reason decided that being a good citizen didn’t matter if it violated their personal notion of their so-called rights. But, once again, that was Fauci being subservient to his ultimate boss, at the expense of providing honest guidance to the people of the whole country (and the world, for that matter.) I also suspect that Fauci was more committed to the good fortunes of the mRNA vaccines, deliberately downplaying foreign vaccines that worked just fine. But that was very much about serving money, Big Pharma. I’ve never seen any indication that was an issue for Trump. Losing money from lockdowns was always the issue and the mass poisonings from the vast conspiracy were and are just lies, even if our host has retroactively signed on.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 21:26 utc | 395

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 15:16 utc | 331
It’s pretty obvious, with Musk’s latest comments to the City of London, re: Labour’s return to form, that he’s the captain of the fire ship, the USS Fuckthingsup whose been tasked by Admiral Trump to drive straight toward the globalist armada. Leading in the vanguard is captain Starmer’s HMS Omnishambles, who is desperately trying to deploy his rhetoric cannons loaded with MSM forged shot, whilst his DEI crew attempt to turn his galleon into a submersible.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 9 2025 21:35 utc | 396

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 9 2025 20:21 utc | 395
The fact that you use the term gammon reveals your perspective. This has happened because the UK took in a wave of Pakistani immigrants, whom some of the Pakistani’s, who originally emigrated here, think are little more than ‘bandits from the Wild West’. Doesn’t also help that in the areas affected certain Imams are constantly talking about the loose morals of white girls, whilst the liberal progressives join in the sneering. Far more to this story than the boilerplate you wrote.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 9 2025 21:45 utc | 397

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 21:26 utc | 398
Don’t forget Dr Birx, who manipulated data and changed CDC guidelines so as to achieve the end goal of lockdown. Once lockdown happened the swing states introduced, often unconstitutional measures, that allowed postal voting and the necessary concealment of decrepit ‘Big Guy’, that concealed the Obama era string-pullers.
As for Fauci, anyone who mutilates and tortures animals, ‘for science’ will do anything in pursuit of personal power.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 9 2025 22:02 utc | 398

Posted by: Milites | Jan 9 2025 22:02 utc | 401 Don’t remember Birx, can’t directly comment.
I most certainly to remember the waffling on masks and lockdowns. Even more I remember how contact tracing and support for people quarantined was studiously ignored. (Fundamentally due I think to conservative hollowing out of government services in the name of low taxes so that actual state capability has been severely damaged over the decades of conservatism. The last liberal president was Johnson. Johnson’s Vietnam war proves that liberalism isn’t Communism/left, by the way, no matter what Trumpers say.)
But as to the notion the end goal was lockdown, that is something that needs to be documented. I think even with the giveaways like Paycheck Protection Program (where about half went straight to businessmen’s wallets) lots of owners lost money. Some pharma people benefited hugely from mRNA patents but overall lots and lots of big money people suffered from lockdowns. I think that’s why there’s so much big money right wingers support conspiracy theories, they didn’t care if people, especially old people, died en masse. Dutiful stooges pushing this conspiracy theory are working, for free or not, for the Great Barrington types. No, the so-called theory the goal was lockdowns needs to be evidenced, not merely assumed.
As for the segue into election conspiracy, that shows yet again all the anti-vaxxer stuff is largely Trumpery. It’s not about the science, it’s not about the humanity, it’s just about serving God Trump.
Last and least, sorry, no, I am not a vegetarian. I’m anti-woke so you can’t guilt trip me.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 22:23 utc | 399

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2025 22:23 utc | 402
“But as to the notion the end goal was lockdown, that is something that needs to be documented.”
I kinda remember that when Fauci testified before Congress that the idea of lockdown and masking was recommended to him by the Chinese as the best approach. I wonder if they had their fingers crossed.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 9 2025 23:37 utc | 400