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January 8, 2025
To Avoid Fighting Large Conflicts Trump Is Creating Smaller Ones

Yesterday, during a media event, president-elect Donald Trump held one of his typical ramblings (video, transcript) which jump from issue to issue without any connecting lines.

It was mostly about his plans for his upcoming reign. He promised more tax relief for the rich, repelling environmental regulations and an increase in oil and gas production.

But what caught the minds of most observers were his ideas on foreign policy.

Trump is rejecting to further raise conflicts with the most obvious 'enemies' – Russia, China and Iran. He is instead diverting the public by providing new targets – Canada, Greenland and Panama.

Trump said that he understood the position of Russia with regards to NATO membership of Ukraine. He thus seems to be genuinely intended to end that conflict:

We're going to have to settle some big problems that are going on right now. We're going to have to settle up with Russia, Ukraine — that's a disaster. I look at numbers every week. … So, we'll have to get that one straightened out too. That's a tough one, much tougher than it would have been before it started, I can tell you that.

and:

So, you know, a big part of the problem was Russia for many, many years, long before Putin, said, you could never have NATO involved with Ukraine. Now they've said that — that's been like written in stone. And somewhere along the line Biden said no, they should be able to join NATO. Well, then Russia has somebody right on their doorstep and I could understand their feeling about that.

But there were a lot of mistakes made in that negotiation. And when I heard the way that Biden was negotiating, I said you're going to end up in a war and it turned out to be a very bad war. And it could escalate — that war could escalate to be much worse than it is right now.

Well, my view is that it was always understood. In fact, I believe that they had a deal and then Biden broke it. They had a deal which would have been a satisfactory deal to Ukraine and everybody else. But that Biden said, no, you have to be able to join NATO.

He goes on to pressure NATO countries to pay more money to the U.S. weapon industry. But it does not feel like he is willing to do a deal – more money in exchange for continuing the war in Ukraine. It is just his usual way of pressuring allies.

Trump is then asked when he will meet Putin:

Well, I can't tell you that, but I know that Putin would like to meet. I don't think it's appropriate that I meet until after the 20th, which I hate because every day people are being — many, many young people are being killed, soldiers. You know, the land is very flat and the hundreds of thousands of soldiers from each — many hundreds of thousands from each side are dead and they're laying in fields all over the place, nobody to even collect, there's landmines all over, it's a disaster.

I hope to have — six months. … No, I would think — I hope long before six months. Look, Russia is losing a lot of young people and so is Ukraine and it should have never been started. That's a war that should have never happened. I guarantee you, if I were president that war would have never happened.

Continuing that war seems to be really off the table for Trump – at least for now. That he is openly recognizing Russia's strategic concern – Ukraine in NATO – gives me some hope that he will find a way to solve the conflict.

During his talk Trump did not mention China at all even as a main competitor or even an 'enemy'. China only comes up in the context of the Panama canal (more on that below.)

Trump also rejected to talk about Iran:

Q: The last time you were here, you were asked a question about the US possibly launching a preemptive strike on Iran. You said you wouldn't answer that question.

Trump: And I said I don't talk about — it's a military strategy. … Look, it's a military strategy and I'm not answering your questions on military strategy. All right. One more. Brian, go ahead. Brian.

Trump has thereby rejected the three potential conflicts, with Russia, China and Iran, that were long leading the headlines. He likely perceives that there is nothing to win in these.

But as he has to provide some fodder for the media as well as for his MAGA followers he is instead coming up with new conflicts which might even turn out to be winnable.

Why not take Canada and integrate it into the U.S. itself? Let's take Greenland from Denmark to better position the U.S. in the Arctic -  or recapture the Panama Canal:

The Panama Canal is a disgrace, what took place at the Panama Canal. Jimmy Carter gave it to them for $1 and they were supposed to treat us well.

We gave it away for a dollar, but the deal was that they have to treat us fairly. They don't treat us fairly. They charge more for our ships than they charge for ships of other countries. They charge more for our navy than they charge for navies of other countries.

They laugh at us because they think we're stupid, but we're not stupid anymore. So the Panama Canal is under discussion with them right now. They violated every aspect of the agreement and they've morally violated it also. And they want our help because it's leaking and not in good repair and they want us to give $3 billion to help fix it. I said, well, why don't you get the money from China, because China is basically taking it over.

China is at both ends of the Panama Canal. China is running the Panama Canal and they come to see this Biden, this guy who should never have been allowed even to run for president. Of course, she shouldn't have either because that never happened. I had to beat two people, not one. But they want $3 billion to fix the Panama Canal that's run by China and makes a lot of money, China.

One of the most profitable structures ever built, because you have ships lined up back to Florida, frankly, and they just keep going through. And the numbers are staggering $0.5 million to $1 million a ship. And they took it away from us, meaning we gave it to him for a dollar, but not going to happen. What they've done to us, they've charged us — they've overcharged our ships, overcharged our navy and then when they need repair money, they come to the United States to put it up, we get nothing.

Most of Trump's claims are false. The charges to pass the canal depend on a ship's size, not on its nationality. China isn't running the canal but has rented port space on each side of it. The biggest problem with the canal is the lack of freshwater needed to run it. It is restricting the numbers of ships that can pass through.

But anyway – like ready made conflicts over Canada and Greenland it is a great theme to divert attention from other conflicts.

It reminds of Ronald Reagan who created minor conflicts, like in Grenada, to be free to make deals with the Soviet 'evil empire' Union.

As Gilbert Doctorow remarks:

The logic I see is that a bellicose stand on produced-to-order conflicts that can be solved at little cost to Washington, the proverbial kicking ass that Ronald Reagan practiced to great effect, is intended to provide cover for what otherwise would look like a humiliating defeat for Washington should it cut military aid to Kiev and stand by passively while the Kremlin imposes capitulation on the Zelensky regime.

Dean Baker is making a similar, but larger point:

Dean Baker @DeanBaker13 – 18:31 UTC · Jan 7, 2025

Trump's pretty clever, he decided that it would be too difficult to confront ostensible U.S. enemies like Russia, China, or North Korea so he's decided to confront allies like Denmark and Canada. It's very MAGA!

Trump wants to avoid the larger potential conflicts as they are too difficult to manage and win. He is instead creating his own small conflicts right next to the U.S. backyard.

It is a nice trick and it may even see some success.

Panama will probably agree to some canal rebates or to a priority for U.S. ships. Canada may concede on trade issues. And the EU, which didn't even protest when the U.S. blew up its main energy supply, may well hand over Greenland without even making a fuzz about it.

All three potential wins which would be welcome by MAGA.

Comments

51st state?
Wait, wait, I thought Puerto Rico was supposed to be the 51st state. Or, are they too “brown” to be accepted?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 8 2025 18:21 utc | 101

The US has an infrastructure problem regarding shipping. Its ports cannot receive the largest container ships. See the second link. Even if the US spends the (hundreds of) billions to improve port infrastructure they will have to buy the cranes from guess who? China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgPuAVB8a9A Mexico’s new alternative to the Panama Canal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–l-FWUxxiw.Whats going on in shipping—why ultra container ships do not go to US.
Finally, Nicaragua has been exploring the possibility of digging a new canal—with China. It is a feasible project.

Posted by: mjh | Jan 8 2025 18:22 utc | 102

No Jane, you’re mistaken. Old growth are carbon neutral only New forests are carbon sinks. This is the theory anyway. . . .
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jan 8 2025 17:51 utc | 90
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Theory doesn’t stand up to actual data.
But thanks anyhow for the splainin!!
A simple Google search reinforces what I have read in longer formats:
Question: Do old or young trees absorb more CO2?
“According to research, old trees generally absorb more carbon dioxide than young trees because as they age, their size and ability to store carbon increases continuously, meaning they can absorb more carbon per year than younger trees; however, young trees may initially absorb carbon at a faster rate due to their rapid growth phase.
Key points about carbon absorption in trees:
Growth rate:
While young trees grow quickly, their carbon absorption rate slows down as they mature, whereas older trees maintain a higher carbon absorption rate due to their larger size.
Carbon storage:
Older trees store more carbon overall because they have had more time to accumulate it in their wood and roots.
Importance of old forests:
Preserving old-growth forests is crucial for carbon sequestration as they hold a significant amount of stored carbon.”
Question: Which trees absorb the most carbon?
“According to current research, oak trees are generally considered to be the most effective at absorbing carbon dioxide, due to their large canopies, dense wood, and long lifespan; other notable carbon-absorbing trees include the common horse-chestnut, black walnut, and American sweetgum.
Key points about carbon-absorbing trees:
Large size and dense wood:
Trees with large mass and dense wood tend to store more carbon over their lifetime.
Long lifespan:
Trees that live for a long time can continue to absorb carbon for a longer period.
Fast-growing species:
While not always the best long-term carbon sink, fast-growing trees can absorb carbon quickly in their early years.”
There you go!

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 18:23 utc | 103

It’s easy to pick on Trump. He is brash and arrogant, but tell me which President wasn’t either both of those or flawed in some other way? He is a breath of fresh air after the corrupt, dishonest, stupid cheat that we’ve had for the past 4 years.
Trump uses over-the-top rhetoric and bold pronouncements and threats in order to set the stage for negotiation. It’s a good tactic, and it usually works as the adversary, or fake friends like European countries, don’t really know what you’re actually willing to do and they don’t want to take any chances.
On another note, I’m against the continued support for corrupt Ukraine, but many don’t really understand what the whole thing was about. Yes, big companies would love to get their hands on Ukraine’s resources, but all the military support was to demonstrate to China and others that invading other countries will cost you dearly – think Taiwan. Russia will win this, but it has come at a great cost to them, and other countries will now think twice before doing what they did.
Trump is America First, as it’s about time we do what’s in our best interest for a change, especially as regards trade policy. He’s anti-globalist, which is a good thing. He has common sense and is intelligent, which is a good thing.
He ain’t perfect, but then again, who is?

Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 18:23 utc | 104

Corrected link on Panama Canal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–l-FWUxxiw

Posted by: mjh | Jan 8 2025 18:23 utc | 105

@ 98 Immigration? Wild fires ? Mass killings? Social security?
You must be joking. Trump has addressed these issues many times. Has wanted to: Build a wall Stronger law enforcement, No taxes on Social Security.
Even as far back as 2017. Trump chewed out Newsom, the Gov of California. trump Said, the Forests need to be better managed. His words were. “Its Time to clean the floor”
Please don’t bash Trump with lies. If you are going to make statements. At least think from the Northern part of your anatomy.

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 8 2025 18:25 utc | 106

@Posted by: Scottindallas | Jan 8 2025 17:51 utc | 90
You forget the time dimension, the last thing we need is to increase emissions in the present given how much we are pushing over the last blockages to feedback loops. Cutting down an old growth tree now releases all of its carbon NOW. It will take many, many decades for a tree to regrow and reclaim that carbon (and that’s only if the eco-system isn’t irrevocably changed through large scale logging).
Also, with increasing heat and water stress and wild fires, old growth forests are becoming carbon sources – as is the Amazon already and as is becoming very rapidly with the Canadian boreal forests. New growth forests can also decrease albedo in more northern areas, resulting in increasing temperatures.
@Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 17:37 utc | 82
“Climate hysteria”, you are utterly disconnected from scientific reality, just as much as those that claim sex is not a binary. The only hysteria is yours. I assume you mean “Climate The Movie” which is an utter piece of intentionally deceitful trash, here is an extensive take down by actual climate scientists Review of Climate: The Movie (The Cold Truth) reveals numerous well known misinformation talking points inaccuracies
Also a takedown from Martin Durkin’s alma mater the London School of Economics, Fake graphs and daft conspiracy yarns in Durkin’s latest propaganda film
The producer is Tom Nelson, a well known climate change liar. The movie is full of obviously altered and manipulated graphs, with some even attributed to people and organizations when they are absolutely not from those people and organizations. Others having been very obviously manipulated or said to be referencing something they are not to push a narrative that is opposite to reality. So easily debunked, its nearly childish in its fabrications. This isn’t even climate denial, its very obvious and intentional climate lying.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 18:27 utc | 107

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 8 2025 17:46 utc | 88
“Don’t forget arresting/ purging malcontent federal employees. The easiest way to get a boot off your throat is to deal with the person it’s attached to. Yes, some oligarchs will be motivated to try a reset/ collapse, but such things are a massive threat to their own health.”
Sure. Trump could appoint Merrick Garland to jail all his political opponents. They would have to make more room by emptying the nails of all the J6 protestors and Catholic grandmas jailed for praying outside of clinics.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:28 utc | 108

> In Trump’s first term he turbocharged the economy by turning the US into a net oil exporter
A dramatic sustained acceleration in U.S. oil production began in 2008, leading to a dramatic sustained reduction in imports and eventually the flip (from importer to exporter) you credit to Trump.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

Posted by: I forgot | Jan 8 2025 18:28 utc | 109

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 8 2025 17:46 utc | 88
“Don’t forget arresting/ purging malcontent federal employees. The easiest way to get a boot off your throat is to deal with the person it’s attached to. Yes, some oligarchs will be motivated to try a reset/ collapse, but such things are a massive threat to their own health.”
Sure. Trump could appoint Merrick Garland to jail all his political opponents. They would have to make more room by emptying the jails of all the J6 protestors and Catholic grandmas jailed for praying outside of clinics.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:29 utc | 110

& dump them somewhere else.
Posted by: Mary | Jan 8 2025 15:18 utc | 17
In Greenland?

Posted by: Naive | Jan 8 2025 18:30 utc | 111

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 17:47 utc | 89
“What restrictions on small businesses?”
I don’t remember, that was 8 years ago. Some environmental, some affirmative action or DEI rules. He demanded cancelling two exiting regulations for every new one implemented.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:33 utc | 112

trump is the puppet.
musk is the puppeteer.
He is also autist Asperger.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 8 2025 18:34 utc | 113

TO DRIVE DOWN ENERGY COSTS BRINGING DOWN INFLATION.
Posted by: Fortuna | Jan 8 2025 14:58 utc | 7
No need to invade several other countries for that. Just stop sanctioning and putting tariffs on every-other countries in the World for a beginning. Then control your freaking “markets” : profit margin of most of your financial institution is a shame, a cost and a danger for your democracy , your safety and your lifestyle. Half of everything you pay for end up on the 1% “bank accounts” : wake up !
It’s waayyyy past time to start behaving, US spoiled brat attitude times are over.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jan 8 2025 18:38 utc | 114

The Flying Dutchman is to intelligent discourse and insight as McDonalds is to nutrition.

Posted by: HandSignals4TheBlind | Jan 8 2025 18:39 utc | 115

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 8 2025 18:25 utc | 108
The border infrastructure (bollard walls, patrol roads, surveillance, LPoEs, “Joint Processing Centers”, etc.) RFPs were already in the works and/or out to bid by the time Trump was inaugurated. That’s right, Barack “Deporter in Chief” Obama’s administration initiated the program. Give Trump credit for … well … taking credit and making a big hubbub about it, but by no means were the border walls (and more importantly, since walls without coverage are an expensive joke, the rest of the infrastructure) his brainchild.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 18:40 utc | 116

Greenland has a population of ~50,000 mostly indigenous people. They’re beneficiaries of the substantial Danish welfare state, and the (relatively speaking for colonial arrangements) benign neglect of the Danish government, which is still a social democracy. They will not choose American settler-colonial genocide and neoliberal “laissez-faire” economic policy over either direct independence and national ownership of mineral rights, or continued “subjugation” to the Danish welfare state.
If Greenland were incorporated as a state, it would have 2 Senators, neither of which would be from the GOP, given the demographic makeup of the country. There is extremely little land to settle, and practically no arable land, so spamming white settlers in Greenland is a non-starter.
There are many ulterior economic motives for annexation though. Greenland has mineral wealth that the US capitalists want to exploit, and they’ll be fine genociding the Inuits whose traditional lands they’ll steal and pollute with heavy metals. Greenland and Canada may also become vital pasture land as global warming makes ranching lands in Texas inhospitable to life — cows die in wet bulb conditions just like humans do. The US was founded on genocidal land plays like this. The GOP is harkening back to the “glory days” of Indian genocide and conquest, and of uncontested US domination of Latin America. These people are proud of their historical evils and actually get offended when you tell them basic moral facts like “genocide and land theft are wrong”.
This will intensify existing contradictions in the imperial order. The people of Latin America are unlikely to just accept the US yoke — Argentina, where neoliberal shock therapy has cast the majority of the population into poverty, stands as an example of what that leads to.

Posted by: fnord | Jan 8 2025 18:41 utc | 117

I remember on 9/11 the only people cheering here were some Pakistanis on rooftops in New York. If it happened again you’d probably get parts of Dearborn and south Minneapolis. I don’t think you’re going to see 50 percent.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:21 utc | 102
Are you fucking joking? It was a bunch of ISRAELIS cheering. For fuck’s sake.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/tag/dancing-israelis/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv5s_VEmZd0
If you can find me evidence of any non-Israelis in the USA celebrating on 9/11 I’ll literally mortgage my house and send you the money via your choice of wire service.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 18:42 utc | 118

My favorite story from then is, when an empire’s soldier [I think he was suffering from head-trauma, many did] was interviewed on TV, and said: no one should be treated like this, not realizing that ‘this’ IS how he and his buddies treat others.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 8 2025 17:04 utc | 62
Are you sure he is not one of the many tbi injured that were initially denied purple hearts & benefits for strictly political reasons?
That he may have been referring to the disgusting way our government treated them by denying their injuries in order to cover up how many were injured?
They had to sue the US government & force them to give their benefits & recognition. One committed suicide while waiting the year or 2 it took to get the care that they were due.

Posted by: Mary | Jan 8 2025 18:42 utc | 119

Sure. Trump could appoint Merrick Garland to jail all his political opponents. They would have to make more room by emptying the jails of all the J6 protestors and Catholic grandmas jailed for praying outside of clinics.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:29 utc | 112
Sounds great. Garland is such a slimy little kapo I bet he’d do it just to stay out of jail himself. But I’d rather see Garland, Yellen, Levine, Mayorkas, and Blinken dangling from the business end of a hook.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 8 2025 18:45 utc | 120

@Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 18:27 utc | 109
Another excellent takedown of the “documentary” Climate: The Movie with also some excellent takes in the comments section. The whole thing is just a collection of regurgitated talking points that have been debunked again and again for the past three decades. Climate – the Movie: a hot mess of (c)old myths!
I am continuously stunned that at 1.5 degrees centigrade above the nineteenth century benchmark (and 1.7 degrees above the pre-industrial 1750 level) we are still having such conversations. It just goes to show how the fossil fuel interests will fight for the right to make money out of fossil fuels right up to the point of societal collapse. Part of the funding for the documentary came from the Institute for Economic Affairs which has received significant funding from British Petroleum and other fossil fuel interests – the fossil fuel industry washing their propaganda funding through an “independent” think tank.
And now of course we get 4 years of “drill baby” Trump.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 18:47 utc | 121

When both major candidates were literally funded by billionaires and dark money, it amazes me that anyone expects policies that don’t benefit….billionaires and dark money elites.
https://www.washingtonbabylondc.com/p/the-billionaires-ball-the-precedent?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 18:50 utc | 122

@ Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 18:47 utc | 124
As a Louisianan I have special ire for BP, who not only polluted the Gulf of Mexico, sacrificing our state’s fishing industry and wetlands for profit, but they also have substantial control over our state government, funneling money to GOP candidates who turn a blind eye to pollution and to the social costs of fossil fuel extraction, and who make sure the exploitation of our dwindling mineral wealth is untaxed, so all the revenues flow to London. Much of the US, in particular the US South, is governed like an internal neo-colony.

Posted by: fnord | Jan 8 2025 18:51 utc | 123

Well this is by far one of the weakest articles.
It reminds of Ronald Reagan who created minor conflicts, like in Grenada, to be free to make deals with the Soviet ‘evil empire’ Union.” Rrrrright. The Granada invasion had nothing to do with the catastrophic (Hezbollah) bombing that cost the lives of 241 American troops and the subsequent withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon. Nooonoooh, nothing at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

On October 23, 1983, two truck bombs were detonated at buildings in Beirut, Lebanon, housing American and French service members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon (MNF), a military operation during the Lebanese Civil War. The attack killed 307 people: 241 U.S. and 58 French military personnel, six civilians, and two attackers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

The United States invaded the small island nation of Grenada, 100 miles (160 km) north of Venezuela, at dawn on 25 October 1983. Codenamed Operation Urgent Fury by the U.S. military, it resulted in military occupation within a few days.

Well the US establishment (or Reagan for that matter) was indeed Urgently Furious about the disaster 2 earlier so what better way of saving face and making the audience forget that by attacking a small defenseless nation as a show of force.
Trump said that he understood the position of Russia with regards to NATO membership of Ukraine. He thus seems to be genuinely intended to end that conflict:
Rrrrright. His attempts in asserting control over Greenland and Canada has “nothing” to do with asserting control over Russia’s northern periphery where with Russia’s latest technology it is able to keep shipping lanes open during winter so countries like China can take that route towards European ports and the Atlantic when need be plus significantly cutting transit time. They also have “nothing” to do with asserting control over the Panama Canal to put another stranglehold on countries’ maritime trading with China… . Rrrrrright. Donald ‘Adelson’ Trump could have just said “shalom” or whatever and play golf with his bestie Musk. Instead he chose to threaten the vassals into handing over strategic assets for future (trade) wars with the US empire’s main rivals.

Posted by: xor | Jan 8 2025 18:54 utc | 124

@Tom_Q_Collins #87
I’ve been in Afghanistan and Panama, have you? They were sad sack nations before the US invaded, they are sad sack nations now.
As for the US: the US was not a sad sack nation following the prosperity, manufacturing and infrastructure investments following World War 2. The fruits of that era were wasted, some in Korea but mostly in Vietnam – and everything since then is just making things worse.
As for your latest sad attempt: I actually lived in Texas for 5 years – in Austin to boot. I know Texas pretty well, particularly since I lived around “normal” Texans. Texans who sat in their yards and watched their children play, Texans who are working class, Texans who embody what used to be the American ideal: work hard, mind your own business, think well and wish well to others.
This is in contrast to the PMC fuckers who think they know better than everyone else.
Who don’t actually know shit, but feel they are “meritoriously empowered” to impose their views on everyone else. Yes, there were some of those in Austin too – primarily clustered around the state government and the associated agencies and the tech industry.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2025 19:02 utc | 125

Roger Boyd @109
If you think Science Feedback or anything published by London School ofEconomics is other than purest propaganda please share with the bar what you are smoking.
If you continue reading that tripe you will be brain damaged. Perhaps you already are.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 8 2025 19:03 utc | 126

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2025 17:58 utc | 93
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Thanks for this rundown. It is very hard to get the word out on the misconceptions of the green agenda, concerning (e.g.) EVs and wind power generation. One reason for this is that the media, including local newspapers, etc., act as gate keepers and simply continue with the misconceptions as background noise/propaganda “wallpaper.” Meanwhile misconceptions and outright lies (such as concerning the past and future power of hurricanes) through constant repetition become the foundational premises of a lot of land-use policy; town and county agencies follow “the narrative,” and civilians are not given much opportunity to provide alternative info. The Net Zero alternative energy narrative has become gospel. Even though none of the apostles really understand the supposed science and seem unable to grasp pretty obvious basics such as the true costs of EVs.
I guess this is OT, but regarding wind energy generation, one of the best presentations of the downsides of wind energy appeared recently in MSN, of all places. Check it out!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-downside-of-wind-energy-high-costs-low-efficiency-and-environmental-harm/ss-AA1wZSJr?ocid=UE12DHP#image=8

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 19:05 utc | 127

@dav1999 #106
You underestimate the value Ukraine had as a way to launder American and European government funding to Ukraine, back as “donations” to American and European political parties.
Or put more bluntly: as a laundromat for institutionalized theft and corruption.
There was a tweet a week or two ago nothing that 13 brand new Rolls Royce Phaetons were bought in Ukraine in 2024 – only 5 of the purchasers even had declared income of any amount.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2025 19:09 utc | 128

“If Trump actually accomplishes that, then the TDS people will go absolutely berserk. Be prepared for the CIA to try to play spoiler with some assassinations like they did with Soleimani.
Posted by: William Gruff |”
Nah. Ukraine was a botched op and they know it. Russia was supposed to fold under sanctions. They never ever planned on getting kinetic.
Syria allows saving face. Israel calls the shots. Greater Israel is happening now. Thats why Trump is saying this inane stuff about Canada. Its olly olly umpfree time. New borders are suddenly adjustable. Israel of course has NEVER said what its borders are. Russia gets the donbass and Crimea which should never have been anything else. Trying to pretend they were not Russian was incredibly brash. Its a win. Russia only gets what was theirs anyway. Israel takes everyhing it can thats not theirs. Acceptable if not ideal to the DS and Trump stays alive.
Limiting one arms shipment or fuel shipment to Israel and he would be dead in a week. No chance of that because he obviously frolicked in the Epstein Honey pot. He wouldnt have made it to first base politically if he hadnt. Giving them dirt is buy in to the club.

Posted by: YogitheYankeeBear | Jan 8 2025 19:15 utc | 129

Interesting times ..
Netanyahu not done yet, supports YPG/PKK Kurds … eyes confrontation with Erdogan.
Report by commission named after prof. Yaakov Nagel, a former head of the National Security Council and a close adviser to Netanyahu.
Israel is rebuilding its regional doctrine and preparing for a war scenario with Turkey
https://nlka.net/eng/israel-is-rebuilding-its-regional-doctrine-and-preparing-for-a-war-scenario-with-turkey/
Saudi Arabia may end waiting game for approval of F-35 Lightning aircraft (talks since 2017) and place order for 100 KAAN 5th generation multi-role fighter aircraft. A new step in BRICS cooperation and avoiding buying Russian or Chinese stealth aircraft with risk of sanctions. The KAAN aircraft is designed with two General Electric engines (F15 type).
https://www.wionews.com/videos/saudi-finds-alternative-to-us-made-f-35-jets

Posted by: Oui | Jan 8 2025 19:18 utc | 130

Seems most are either acting out in predictably reactionary fashion, or are once again buried down deep into the weeds obsessing over their favorite pet topic. Here’s a suggestion – how about looking up and considering some broader geo political issues including very personal human desires and ideals?
I travel back and forth between my homes in Baja and SoCal. I personally know multi-dozens of MX citizens, many of whom I individually employ for various jobs, and collectively via our HOA.
First, everyone, and I mean everyone now has a 10 year US visa. And what do they do with that document? Well, my go to contractor took his wife and two small kids to Yosemite this past summer. Abosultely loved it, and I gave him some tips on other places to visit in the Sierra region. Another likes to take his young grandkid to see the Padres; the list goes on, many like to just sight see.
Two, Sentri is an expedited, pre approved border crossing program. You need to undergo a background check and personal interview to qualify. Surprise, the program is available to non US citizens, which results in around 1/4 of the cars crossing into the USA via the dedicated, specialized lanes to have Baja license plates.
Three, I think everyone is well aware that the San Ysidro crossing is the busiest in the world, but many don’t seeem to realize the MX side (Chaparral) can back up over a mile coming in from the US. Where are all these people coming from/going to?
Four, well, the San Diego/Tijuana region is now commonly considered one giant metro zone, with people living in and commuting to either side of the fence. Oh, BTW, TJ is now measured as the second largest city in MX after CDMX.
I can go on, but the point is this: in the norther regions of MX, including Juarez, Monterrey and Matamoros, the countries are already so integrated, that MX citizens are experiencing an economic boom which allows them to purchase new cars, travel to the US, visit family and return, all the while earning dollars but spending pesos.
See the appeal? The same can be said about certain areas of Canada, which should be giving those a little more astute some pause about whether or not sentiments might very well be in favor of some kind of economic-political union, say something similar to Russia’s union state relations. (Or actually be incorporated as states via referanda.)
Here’s a small bit of advice: perhaps pause and consider the deeper issues before resorting to standard knee jerk reactions that typify alt.media. Change can be good, borders don’t have to be fixed, self determination really is a thing.

Posted by: MarkW | Jan 8 2025 19:26 utc | 131

@ 124 And now of course we get 4 years of “drill baby” Trump.
Trump will have a hard time beating Biden’s Anti Drilling, all time oil production records. After Biden’s record oil and Gas production to support Europe. Americas shale oil fields are starting to get depleted. But there is always ANWAR 🙂
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-leads-global-oil-production-sixth-straight-year-eia-2024-03-11/

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 8 2025 19:27 utc | 132

50000 US troops out of Germany and Europe to Greenland would double the population of it! It would be where mass immigration will be required! 😆
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 8 2025 15:02 utc | 10
It is bad enough to be relocated from good climate, genial natives and great beer in SW Germany to Suwałki or northern Finland, but what sane American wants to be relocated to northern Greenland? I would expect mutiny.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2025 19:27 utc | 133

Germany in a quandary re military spending…Scholz has already said support for Ulraine has beought down the gonvernment
Talking to Stern magazine on Tuesday, Scholz criticized Habeck’s proposal as too vague. “The idea seems somewhat half-baked to me,” he said, adding that the economy minister essentially suggested “almost doubling the defense budget from just under €80 billion ($82.76 billion) to €140 billion ($144.83 billion) without saying what the money will be spent on and where it will come from.”
Ukraine aid caused government collapse – Germany’s ScholzRead more Ukraine aid caused government collapse – Germany’s Scholz
“Who will pay the bill? The citizens?” the chancellor asked. According to the NATO data, cited by the German dpa news agency last week, Germany reported defense spending amounting to €90.6 billion ($93.3 billion) for the coming year. That is slightly above its 2% of GDP spending threshold.
The target has been met with the help of a €100 billion special debt-financed fund created by Scholz’s government back in 2022, in the wake of the start of Russia’s military campaign against Kiev, dpa reported. According to the news agency, the fund is to be spent by the end of 2027.
Germany is also one of the biggest donors of military aid to Kiev, second only to the US. Berlin has spent around €11 billion ($11.38 billion) between January 2022 and October 2024 on military assistance to Ukraine, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy.

Posted by: Jo | Jan 8 2025 19:28 utc | 134

Trump ain’t gonna’ be buying no Greenland nor Panama Canal. Washington is broke:
10 year treasury is still 6.8%
At those rates;,~35% of Federal Revenue in 2025 will be devoted to paying interest on federal debt. That’s a death spiral …..by 2027, the Feds will hit a wall.
De-Dollarization brings Peace.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 8 2025 19:34 utc | 135

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 18:27 utc | 109
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I am going to assume that neither of us is a scientist.
For me the most important message in Climate, The Movie was the very clear information on the politicization of climate science. I have seen this occurring myself over the years; there are a number of scientific institutes in my area.
Those who made that film are not the only ones to point out weaknesses and distortions in the evidence presented to support “the science” and extreme exaggerations of what IPCC reports have actually stated. The very idea of “the science” is unscientific.
Which graphs in the film have been changed?
Which of the alarmist climate change models have actually come true?

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 19:34 utc | 136

Posted by: xor | Jan 8 2025 18:54 utc | 127
From that perspective, the invasion of Grenada was the work of a genius. I must admit that I remember Grenada more readily than the debacle in Beirut, I suspect the Pentagon prepared the operation well in advance for exactly such situation, just specify the island and off you go.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2025 19:36 utc | 137

The target has been met with the help of a €100 billion special debt-financed fund created by Scholz’s government back in 2022, in the wake of the start of Russia’s military campaign against Kiev, dpa reported. According to the news agency, the fund is to be spent by the end of 2027. . . .
Posted by: Jo | Jan 8 2025 19:28 utc | 137
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Didn’t the Constitutional Court nix that transfer of funds?
Or am I thinking of something else?

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 19:37 utc | 138

For the record, the reason the U.S. lost control of the Panama canal is the same reason U.S. firms don’t manage any international ports outside the U.S. The same reason the USA does not have a national steamship line. And I could go on. It’s because they are too damned incompetent. China on the other hand specializes in port management. Their firms manage a majority of int’l ports. The USA hasn’t a clue how to compete on an even playing field.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Jan 8 2025 19:38 utc | 139

@ Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 19:34 utc | 139
Roger, for all I’ve argued with him on here, is a relatively sane voice among the weirdo bible college types who have colonized this comment section since the Ukraine war.
Knowledge is political and subject to political confrontation. This is just the nature of language and its enmeshment in power relations. This is why we can talk of “bourgeois economists” and “proletarian economists”, standpoint within a power relation implies different epistemes (and you don’t even have to be a Marxist to agree, the arch-reactionary Nietzsche argues the same thing in a different way, from the perspective of a self-described aristocract, with master and slave morality).
So who’s side are you on? The fossil fuel multi-nationals who knew of climate change caused by greenhouse gas emissions decades ago, but covered it up to avoid political confrontation? Or are you on the side of the people, who will be reaping the social costs of fossil fuel production, which fossil fuel multi-nationals sowed?

Posted by: fnord | Jan 8 2025 19:39 utc | 140

Mexico’s train route is a canal alternative
Mexico has a new fast train– passenger and freight– from Vera Cruz (Gulf of Mexico) to Oaxaca (Pacific). It’s operating now and is expected to be a significant player both competing with and relieving pressure from the Panama Canal.
“The $7.5 billion project spans 188 miles across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, offering a route for containers to be transferred from ships to trains and then transported to the opposite coast for reloading onto ships to complete their journeys.
This initiative revives an old project—the railway was originally opened in 1907 but was abandoned after the Panama Canal became operational.”
“In response to this new competition, the Panama Canal Authority stated:
“This route remains the top choice for shippers because the Panama Canal offers expedited access to more than 180 maritime routes connecting 170 countries via 1,920 ports. We are always monitoring potential projects that could compete with our route, but we remain confident in our service and are investing in strengthening our capabilities for the future.”
I’ll post more this weekend when b does the review. Lots going on south of the border.
https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2023/12/tren-transismico-mexicos-new-interoceanic-railway/
https://colombiaone.com/2024/12/24/mexico-interoceanic-corridor-railway-new-panama-canal/

Posted by: migueljose | Jan 8 2025 19:44 utc | 141

Re the climate issue. It is in my view very simple.
We need to sacrifice living standards in order to replace fossil fuels. Oil and gas come from the Earth for free in a consistent stream. Everything else needs more work.
Neither the left nor the right recognize this argument. The former is fixated on all kinds of wishful thinking “wir schaffen das” while the latter is reactionary and doesnt want to change.
The result is that we have spent much on energy transition and have nothing to show.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 8 2025 19:45 utc | 142

“Posted by: Giyane | Jan 8 2025 17:33 utc | 80
@YogitheYankeeBear #69
Apparently you are unaware that Trump ordered the US military out of Syria, but was ignored.”
Yes and what did he do about it? That was treason. What it really was was Trumps education. The US bases in south east syria were to train the militias that work directly with IDF that swept in from the south. Those bases and those militias were exactly where thet were/are for exactly the op we just witnessed. One that was a incredible success. Russia sepped aside because syrias military was a basket case and Assad was trying to play footsie with the west. But they get a chip in the gane also. The militias the USA trained in the south are less radical than HTS more like straight up mercenary forces so no nasty theological diferences arise. The Bases up north in Conoco town with the Kurd alliance that oil ends up in Turkey and then Israel. Its pretty amazing Trump thought he could exit greater Israel. Tulsi is not that dumb. She tore Trump a new asshole for saying US exit Syria.
Trump has learned. There will be no more demonstrations that there is no comander in chief besides Tel Aviv. Trump will do as he is told. That he tried to withdraw from project greater Israel does however show he was naive. He was lucky to keep his head and he is not naive anymore. The extra 20 million votes that didnt show up prove that.
Putin got even more of a education than Trump.

Posted by: YogitheYankeeBear | Jan 8 2025 19:47 utc | 143

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:21 utc | 102
As I remember it, video emerged of Israelis looking on & cheering from rooftops.

Posted by: Mary | Jan 8 2025 19:49 utc | 144

$100K in exchange for environmental devastation. Sounds like a great deal.
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2025 16:08 utc | 38
It’s a fantastic deal for the 10-50 people at the top who get $1M and a US/israeli/tax paradise passport so they don’t have to look at the environmental devastation. We have them in every European country.

Posted by: Jack M | Jan 8 2025 19:53 utc | 145

well I had thought Z and Ukraine would turn the EU into Ikraine lookalikes…meaningless politicians and no military and bankrupt economies failing societal infrastructures and peoples etc but still a semi cohesive EU apart from Orban Hungary Slovakia and co …but with 5% demanded by Trump for Nato contributions….he is going to either quicken the catastophre make it worse by his blackmail or the EU split up even more?And more quickly? Encourage more “self nationalism” in the EU countries?

Posted by: Jo | Jan 8 2025 19:53 utc | 146

If Trump pulls the plug on Ukrainian funding he’ll find himself on the Ukrainian hitlist – and one thing Ukraine isn’t short of is terrorists.
Meanwhile in the land of the free.
“The United States has transferred 11 Yemeni detainees from its notorious Guantanamo Bay detention center to Oman, after holding them for more than two decades without charge or trial as part of Washington’s so-called “war on terror.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 8 2025 19:56 utc | 147

Glad as I will be if Trump-a-dump gives up trying to provoke a war with PR Chins, the difference between the Demonic and Reptoid Parties is as huge as the difference between rival pro wrestlers. Nor is there a clever Vince McMahon type behind the scenes in control. If Zionists were as super-smart as their enemies think, they would not be fighting for the worn-out landscape of the Levant. In the US, Puritan fanatics (Christian Zionists) want a Zionist entitiy in the Levant as part of their apocalyptic fantasies. They expect the “Joo Zionists” to all die in the process.
“The race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong nor money to the intelligent nor bread to the wise, but Time and Chance come to them all.” Ecclesiastes

Posted by: lester | Jan 8 2025 20:01 utc | 148

Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 18:23 utc | 106

It’s easy to pick on Trump. He is brash and arrogant, but tell me which President wasn’t either both of those or flawed in some other way?

Such heartwarming apologism for the jews.

He is a breath of fresh air after the corrupt, dishonest, stupid cheat that we’ve had for the past 4 years.

Fresh air of epstein island child rape.

Trump is America First,

Where America means israel and the jews running America.

He’s anti-globalist, which is a good thing.

It’s not April fool’s today.

He has common sense and is intelligent, which is a good thing.

He’s an actor providing entertainment to you while they rape you, a “MrBeast” of politics, only even less real. Scripted by committee and never made a cent in his life apart from the money given to him by the Deep State that he so cleverly says he opposes, as he reads from the script. One more ugly jew, like Musk, copying a few well-tested memes from twitter and saying them back to you so that you can be all wide eyed and amazed.
Hope you enjoyed the exhilarating “shooting” and the “2cm hole in the ear” that disappeared without a blemish in two days.

Posted by: Jack M | Jan 8 2025 20:05 utc | 149

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2025 19:02 utc | 128
You’re awfully mad lately, LOL. Maybe that’s why you didn’t actually read and respond to my comment with your usual level of comprehension.
Here’s the part I addressed to you: The US CREATED Panama.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/10/panama-canal-president-jp-morgan-tax-haven
And yes, I’ve been there.
To your rant about Texas, please go back and patiently re-read the comment to which you replied. It was addressed to Paranaense*, who asked me if I’d been “to America” – which is why I explained to them I live in the US, in Texas. TBH I ignored most of the rest of your rant, but I wanted to make sure you understood what was actually said, and to whom.
*Paranaense is a name used by several South American football clubs, so I assume that commentator is from Brazil or Paraguay, which may be why they asked me if I’ve ever been to America. But it’s strange now that I think about it – I wonder if they’ve ever been to the United States.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 20:05 utc | 150

The Danes, like the Dutch are always ready to jump when the US masters ask.
Proud member of the coalition of warcriminals in Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan… and now helping them and the genociders against Yemen.
I really hope Trump scams them out of Greenland.
Deserved thanks for being bootlickers.
Nobody respects those.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jan 8 2025 20:12 utc | 151

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2025 19:02 utc | 128
Correction: The comment/reply where I discussed Texas was made to user name “They Call me Mister” and not Paranaense.
Regardless, go back to #87 and re-read it. The only part addressed to you was that the US created the country of Panama. Didn’t mess it up like Afghanistan. They CREATED it from the beginning.
P.S. Afghanistan was actually OK for a while before the US (Carter and Brzezinski) started mucking around, successfully drawing the Soviets into a protracted and failed invasion, and then funded/trained the Mujahideen that led to all sorts of other events.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 20:12 utc | 152

Sure. Trump could appoint Merrick Garland to jail all his political opponents. They would have to make more room by emptying the jails of all the J6 protestors and Catholic grandmas jailed for praying outside of clinics.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:29 utc | 112
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Uh, Garland is one of Trump’s political opponents.
I guess you were joking. ?

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 20:14 utc | 153

Bundestag approves special fund: 100 billion euros for a powerful Federal Armed Forces | June 2022 |
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/special-fund-federal-armed-forces-2047910
What happens to German military’s €100 billion fund? | March 2023 |
https://caliber.az/en/post/what-happens-to-german-military-s-100-billion-fund
New orders of F-35 fighter jets and heavy transport helicopters from the United States and a new digitalization drive to modernize the forces.
For its part, the Defense Ministry says €30 billion of the €100 billion has already been earmarked for major purchases.
There has been some criticism from European allies, and within Germany, that so many big orders have been placed in the United States, though ultimately most of the special fund is likely to stay in Germany, which has a strong weapons industry.
The $3.6 billion deal will be the first time that the Arrow 3 will be deployed outside of Israel.
Israeli PULS “Defeats” U.S. HIMARS In Another European Deal.
Continued movement on the issue comes while on one hand, Berlin continues to buy weapons from Israel, while on the other hand, is now banning weapons sales to Jerusalem over the continued Israel-Hamas War.

Posted by: Oui | Jan 8 2025 20:17 utc | 154

Great call b.
I also see Trump had posted Jeffrey Sachs’ video on the Gaza conflict blaming Netanyahu on X.

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 8 2025 20:18 utc | 155

In 2023 …
Germany: the Constitutional Court deprives the government of €60 billion earmarked for transformation
A disunited German Ampel coalition in shambles … debt crisis …. high energy prices … downturn heavy industries … behind in digital age and chips manufacturing … reliance on globalization.
How Germany’s Fiscal Orthodoxy Toppled Its Government and Imperils Its Future
https://revdem.ceu.edu/2024/12/11/germanys-fiscal-orthodoxy/
The black zero (Schwarze Null) was elevated to near-mythical status, and the constitutionally enshrined debt brake (Schuldenbremse) capped new federal borrowing at just 0.35% of GDP annually, adjusted for the economic cycle. Attempts to square the circle of investment and fiscal restraint through gimmicks like off-budget funds and “special vehicles” ultimately faltered.
https://www.wirtschaftsdienst.eu/inhalt/jahr/2021/heft/10/beitrag/wirtschaftspolitische-differenzen-und-moegliche-kompromisse-fuer-die-naechste-bundesregierung.html

Posted by: Oui | Jan 8 2025 20:19 utc | 156

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 18:07 utc | 97 Dog bites man, Trumper is a liar…https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+percentage+of+votes+2024&sca_esv=ef196dfad720c128&source=hp&ei=9Nd-Z9mfE_XL0PEPnf6c4QQ&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZ37mBIr17j_QgRmK-So09CN8w9JRx1Lk&oq=trump%27s+percentage+o&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IhR0cnVtcCdzIHBlcmNlbnRhZ2UgbyoCCAIyCBAAGIAEGMcDMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHkiiMlAAWMcdcAB4AJABAJgBiQOgAfYTqgEIMTAuNy4wLjK4AQHIAQD4AQGYAhOgApQVwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAg4QLhiABBixAxjRAxjHAcICCxAuGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIREC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYgwEYxwHCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICBRAAGIAEwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAgQQABgDwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAgUQLhiABMICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIFEAAY7wWYAwCSBwo3LjEwLjAuMS4xoAeAeA&sclient=gws-wiz
That said, I will admit I think the term mandate should be reserved for a decisive majority (the US Constitution sets the precedent by requiring 2/3 supermajority for things like convicting a president under impeachment?) of the electorate. 49.9% of the popular vote isn’t that, not by a long shot. And it is still true that not even Trumpers know what he’s actually going to try to do. This should shame them into silence, but ritual devotion is performative, pretty much by definition. If we’re going to suffer a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, unlike Trumpers, I favor majority rule.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 8 2025 20:19 utc | 157

So who’s side are you on? The fossil fuel multi-nationals who knew of climate change caused by greenhouse gas emissions decades ago, but covered it up to avoid political confrontation? Or are you on the side of the people, who will be reaping the social costs of fossil fuel production, which fossil fuel multi-nationals sowed?
Posted by: fnord | Jan 8 2025 19:39 utc | 143
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Uh-huh.
Two sides.
I am on neither of your “sides.”
Neither fnord nor fsued.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 20:22 utc | 158

Donald Trump is but negotiating with outlandish ideas of outright Imperialism to get everyone’s attention, then the ideas will , eventually morph into a North, Central and South American-why not Greenland into a trading, economic bloc to rival the EC rather than costly Ukrainian, MEastern and Chinese wars..
Our Ontario government Mining Minister is negotiating directly with the Pentagon to find more rare earths that China currently has a stranglehold because they use chlorination-cheap and effective but is a huge pollutant in lakes, rivers, water tables -the tariffs destroy their REE industry.
You guys will see…

Posted by: canuck | Jan 8 2025 20:23 utc | 159

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 8 2025 18:21 utc | 103
“ ..Wait, wait, I thought Puerto Rico was supposed to be the 51st state. Or, are they too “brown” to be accepted?”
Lol.
Join the queue. U.K.’s been airstrip 1 since early 1940’s.
Others joined it since

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 8 2025 20:38 utc | 160

Figured it out – this is Trump’s solution to the immigration problem: simply annexe the entirety of North, Central and South America.
Presto! Everyone’s an Uhmerican.
It’s a beautiful thing, and cheap if you can do it just by trolling on social media.
No expensive walls to build, no more border guards.
What is not to like?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 8 2025 20:42 utc | 161

Dima:
Complete disaster for UAF across the entire line of contact;
Russians have entered Malaya Loknya;
M-32 highway east of Pokrovsk was cut by the RF;
Russians storming Sudzha.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 8 2025 20:43 utc | 162

It is actually very intelligent. Looking without any ideological blindness, for the US there are many geopolitical low-hanging fruits there which it can grab with big advantage and without risking a WWIII.

Posted by: xblob | Jan 8 2025 20:48 utc | 163

Posted by: Oui | Jan 8 2025 20:17 utc | 157
I guess those 100 billion won’t buy very much once Ursula Fonda Lying slaps 100% retaliatory tariffs on US made goods in about 6 months’ time.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 8 2025 20:50 utc | 164

As a Dane I don’t see what Trump’s policy objective is in Greenland. The US has full military control since WW2. But if they want to take the ca $ 750 mio. annual direct and indirect subsidies bill of Denmark’s hand they are welcome. It’s a black hole for money.
As for minerals it is just not economically viable. The Greenland home-rule governments have for decades tried to find investors but nothing much has happened. The costs of mining in Greenland are too high.
The desire for new income streams is strong in Greenland as it is the biggest barrier for independence together with the low educational level among Greenlanders (Many Danish specialists are hired in the local state administration & services. And they will leave). There is a solid 90% backing among the population and the path is easy with the 2009 Home-rule legislation.
https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2009/473
Chapter 8 (Kapitel 8) describes the process. First it clearly states that the people of Greenland decides if they want independence. No one else. How it will take place is also simple.
First the governments of Greenland and of Denmark negotiates and agrees on the path and finer details. Then the parliament of Greenland needs to approve ditto by a plebiscite in Greenland. And finally the Danish parliament have to sign off. And voila Greenland is independent.

Posted by: Poul | Jan 8 2025 20:56 utc | 165

Suresh | Jan 8 2025 20:18 utc | 158–
That video clip was featured at the end of the Nima-Pepe Escobar chat this morning, which was a very wide-ranging and outstanding chat. I was amazed Trump featured that, which implies he watched most of it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2025 21:00 utc | 166

Trusting that Trump, a US president and pathological liar (forgive the pleonasm), will do as he says… Would anyone in this bar bet their money on him doing anything he says he’ll do?

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 8 2025 21:02 utc | 167

Dima:
Complete disaster for UAF across the entire line of contact;
Russians have entered Malaya Loknya;
M-32 highway east of Pokrovsk was cut by the RF;
Russians storming Sudzha.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 8 2025 20:43 utc | 165
And it’s only starting, and I’ll repeat something I said yesterday, trump signaled to putin that he can have 6 months to finish of whatever he can

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 8 2025 21:03 utc | 168

Clever Dog’s post, 43, should be read by those who continue to voice support for Trump. There is a contingent on this site who appear to have forgotten that Trump has already spent four years in the White House. There is no reason to believe that Trump’s second term will be anything but a reprise of his first. There is a good chance it will be worse.

Posted by: David | Jan 8 2025 21:05 utc | 169

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 8 2025 21:03 utc | 171
It’s to Trump’s benefit if Ukraine collapses quickly, now.
Anything that happens by March can be laid at the feet of President Snit-for-brains, Blinken, and Sullivan.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 8 2025 21:11 utc | 170

@124
Hey Dodgy,
Why don’t you lead the way in carbon reduction? I hear Switzerland and Canada have excellent “carbon reduction” facilities…..you just need a flight. Or you could walk to really make an impact.
Dolt.

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Jan 8 2025 21:11 utc | 171

It’s to Trump’s benefit if Ukraine collapses quickly, now.
Anything that happens by March can be laid at the feet of President Snit-for-brains, Blinken, and Sullivan.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 8 2025 21:11 utc | 173
willing to wait 6 after inauguration (so august 2025 at most for public talks), would prefer earlier, but…

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 8 2025 21:19 utc | 172

The greatest threat to US national security is Europe dragging the US to World War 3 over Ukraine.
Alexander Mercouris analyses Trump’s ramblings:

Trump Shock; Fortress America, Greenland, No Ukraine NATO; Europe Shock; Iran Strike Coming

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 8 2025 21:19 utc | 173

a history lesson from the new president of mexico
https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1877045936624452036
COMBATE |🇵🇷 @upholdreality
Mexico President Sheinbaum proposes calling former Mexican lands in the southern U.S. “Mexican America” as a response to Trump’s bid to rename the Gulf of Mexico
Make America Mexico Again?

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 8 2025 21:19 utc | 174

If I was Trump, I’d send a Scandinavian Victoria Nuland to Greenland. Victoria Nuland famously got us Ukrainia for only $5,000 million – $116 for every Ukrainian. Greenland has only 56,800 inhabitants, so $7 million ought to be more than enough for a skilful operator.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 8 2025 21:20 utc | 175

@ Scottindallas | Jan 8 2025 18:19 utc | 101 quote –
“TDS is rife among his supporters and his detractors.” very true.. hard to tell who is who in it all as well..
@ Exile | Jan 8 2025 19:34 utc | 138
thanks for that.. i tend to see the very real possibility of a world financial collapse or disorder as a high probability going forward here… according to alex krainer, the uk is in a very similar or worse position… it will be very interesting to see how the private bank of england and the private federal reserve bank of the usa navigate the ongoing developments, while continuing on with the wars they love to cultivate..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2025 21:21 utc | 176

An idle musing: has Trump had an intel briefing with the real pictures from Yuzhmash?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 8 2025 21:27 utc | 177

@Posted by: Poul | Jan 8 2025 20:56 utc | 168
Yep, feels more like the usual Trump moving target bloviating – he can be all over the place. People take him far too seriously sometimes while he trolls them and lives rent free in their heads.
@Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 8 2025 20:43 utc | 165
The Russians just changing those facts on the ground, they will be setting the requirements for an end to the war not Trump. Seems like the Ukrainian army is starting to crack.
@Posted by: Oui | Jan 8 2025 20:19 utc | 159
German success post-2000 was based on wage suppression and cheap Russian energy, now they need to spend to transform their economy but their love of austerity at home (but not on Ukraine and US made weaponry!) is getting in the way.
@Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 19:34 utc | 139
My references detail all of the changes and misrepresentations of the data, pretty much all of them in some way. The UN IPCC projections have been very conservative and have actually underestimated things due to not taking into account non-linear changes. There is no “alarmism” just actual scientific facts. Will 2 degrees change your mind, 3 degrees? Or will you still just be saying that its all alarmism? I am not a scientist, but I can read peer-reviewed scientific papers and summaries of scientific findings and have educated myself over the past 2 decades enough to do that.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 21:28 utc | 178

Trump is America First, as it’s about time we do what’s in our best interest for a change
Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 18:23 utc | 106

Damn, and there I was thinking that’s what you’d been doing for 80 years…
What’s it gonna be then ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Jan 8 2025 21:38 utc | 179

The greatest threat to US national security is Europe dragging the US to World War 3 over Ukraine.
Alexander Mercouris analyses Trump’s ramblings:
Trump Shock; Fortress America, Greenland, No Ukraine NATO; Europe Shock; Iran Strike Coming
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 8 2025 21:19 utc | 176
Not if trump makes it super clear that nooooo, noooo, you f*** with RF you’re on your own.
As an added detail, Yuzhmash is what? close to a square mile? Any suggestions for a square mile asking for a lesson on proper manners, this time daytime with everybody there?
HMNB Clyde/Faslane , also comes to mind…
And that would be with RF being so mild that half the care bears here would ask why no nukes were used.

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 8 2025 21:42 utc | 180

“If Trump pulls the plug on Ukrainian funding he’ll find himself on the Ukrainian hitlist – and one thing Ukraine isn’t short of is terrorists.”
AFU has significant war skills now. They will sell those skills just like they did in Syria. The people paying are not going to hit Trump.
AFU needs to learn how to train. Training proxy forces is becoming the top of the food chain for grunts. This has been developing for a hundred years. Having war skills is valuable. If you can transfer those war skills to others thats much much more valuable. It allows plausible deniability amongst other things if indigenous personnel can be trained so they are effective. AFU has a good understanding of war using currently deployed technology. That is valuable and they wont throw it away by going solo and pissin off the paymasters. Unless its some pathetic Banderist wantabe fat old man like we saw at the golf course. Real AFU would have got the job done with a drone or five. Not going to happen.
Certain AFU personnel career is just starting. The pay just got a lot better. The paymaster is the same. Just like Blackwater in the USA. If you had skills and were OK with risk very high pay became available. AFU has current skills.

Posted by: YogitheYankeeBear | Jan 8 2025 21:45 utc | 181

German success post-2000 was based on wage suppression and cheap Russian energy

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 21:28 utc | 181
At the risk of going off-topic, a great deal of impetus was provided by the quiet 15% devaluation of the D-Mark upon entry into the €. A beneficial side-effect was amortising the costs of reunification across the entire €-zone.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 8 2025 21:47 utc | 182

Yes, the USA has frequently acted in its best interest, as all other countries do. However, this has not been the case with trade policy. Many countries have been allowed to export their products to the USA with no import tariffs, while they selfishly impose tariffs on US exports. The US did this after WW2 to help other countries, especially Europe, rebuild their economies. I don’t know why the unfair trade policies endured for so long, but I can guess that political corruption and monied interests somehow profiting off the situation played a role. Anyhow, it’s time to “make trade fair again”.
I’m American but not a blind apologist for the USA. This country has made a lot of mistakes, but it has also done a lot of good and been a stabilizing force for the world. Would any of you rather have China running things?

Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 21:57 utc | 183

@ Lathe Biosas | Jan 8 2025 21:02 utc | 170
>> Would anyone in this bar bet their money on him doing anything he says he’ll do?
On “anything”? Yes, I would. Trump makes incongruous or contradictory statements, like simultaneously (a) criticizing giving money to Ukraine (interpreted by his fans as a sign he opposes and hence plans to stop the war) but also suggesting literally giving Ukraine zero-interest perpetual loans with no penalty for failing to repay. It’s like someone promising both to “pour you a cup of coffee” and “not pour you a cup of coffee”. He’ll do one of those two things. So, again, yes, I would bet money on him actually doing one of the things he says.

Posted by: I forgot | Jan 8 2025 21:57 utc | 184

“It is not Biden who refused the negotiation in 2022 – it was uninvited British pm Johnson who arm twisted Ukraine to wage war on Russia at a time when Ukraine was all ready to negotiate in good faith .
Trump must understand real enemy of USA which is England who plots wars to be executed by American and NATO pasties.”
Posted by: Sam | Jan 8 2025 15:21 utc | 18
Boris was ex-pm at the time and was obviously paid and acting on behalf of the US. Good choice as he was able to bully Zelensky into rejecting talks.

Posted by: Ray | Jan 8 2025 22:04 utc | 185

I am continuously stunned that at 1.5 degrees centigrade above the nineteenth century benchmark (and 1.7 degrees above the pre-industrial 1750 level) we are still having such conversations.. . . .
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 18:47 utc | 124
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Oh, dear.
Regarding world temps, we are in garbage in/garbage out land as to how these temps have been measured (or inferred) and, more recently, where.
Then comes the anthropogenic part.
Recent observations are that the world is greening.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 22:04 utc | 186

Posted by: Jack M | Jan 8 2025 20:05 utc | 152
So, you don’t like Trump. Fine. Who would you elect for President, then? Oh, wait, they are all puppets, controlled by the secret Illuminati from some castle in Europe, so for you it wouldn’t matter anyway.
I don’t respond to Jew-bashing. You should find some other outlet to vent your hate of other cultures and religions.
It is so easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories, but the simple fact is that the rich run the world and control almost everything. It has always been this way and always will be. Get over it. We’re lucky to live in a time where the little people get at least a tiny bit of say in how their lives are governed – for most of history this was never the case.

Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 22:05 utc | 187

Not that it matters, though, since the whole CO2 hysteria is not supported by agenda-lacking scientists, including many Nobel laureates. Please see Climate: The Film.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 17:37 utc | 82
But we may yet have a genuine CO2 problem. I read that respiratory issues start to appear in humans at 1000ppm. If true the one-worlders missed a trick!

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 8 2025 22:14 utc | 188

I’m American but not a blind apologist for the USA. This country has made a lot of mistakes, but it has also done a lot of good and been a stabilizing force for the world. Would any of you rather have China running things?
Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 21:57 utc | 186

LOL we used to say the same thing about the British Empire – “a force for good in the world, civilizing the backward nations etc, etc, would you rather be under the French/Ottomans/Germans…?’
Still it’s a good sign – the White Man’s Burden phase is toward the end of the imperial cycle, then the US can join the rest of Western Europe in the Ex-Empires Club.
You will be poorer, wiser and have a better sense of humour.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 8 2025 22:14 utc | 189

“$100K in exchange for environmental devastation. Sounds like a great deal.”
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2025 16:08 utc | 38
The Greenlanders will have to give up their homeland to America but could still live there and would be bribed instead of genocided.

Posted by: Ray | Jan 8 2025 22:24 utc | 190

@ dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 21:57 utc | 186
> but it has also done a lot of good and been a stabilizing force for the world.
Don’t stop learning. If you spend 10,000 hours reading history not approved by the regime, you’ll learn the transnational plutocrats managing this US-centralized empire have always worked to destabilize the world (including their “own” domestic populations) to varying degrees to ensure they retain the power to continue skimming the bulk of economic output both domestically and abroad.
“It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.”, according to Carlin.
> Would any of you rather have China running things?
Good question. Would you? Why or why not? What information would you want to use to make your decision? Sounds like an interesting personal project.
Don’t stop learning. We’re steeped in myths since birth. Propaganda works. It took me decades of reading to undo. Hope you’re faster. Good luck.

Posted by: I forgot | Jan 8 2025 22:24 utc | 191

Still it’s a good sign – the White Man’s Burden phase is toward the end of the imperial cycle, then the US can join the rest of Western Europe in the Ex-Empires Club.
You will be poorer, wiser and have a better sense of humour.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 8 2025 22:14 utc | 192
Interesting point, but dav1999 is no kipling
I’d expect something like that to only be properly rebooted in a dozen years, give or take a couple.
returning to the them of the thread, trump’s own corn flakes has something to say
Trump wants conflict in Ukraine to end as soon as possible — envoy
Keith Kellogg emphasized that ending the conflict in Ukraine is important for the national security of the United States, Europe and the world
NEW YORK, January 9. /TASS/. US President-elect Donald Trump wants to end the conflict in Ukraine as soon as possible, the politician’s nominee for special envoy on Ukraine Keith Kellogg said.
“He wants to end it as quickly as he can. <…> This is a war that needs to end, and I think that he can do it. I really do have a lot of confidence in his ability to actually get to a position when this war is actually over,” he said in an interview with Fox News.
Kellogg emphasized that ending the conflict in Ukraine is important for the national security of the United States, Europe and the world.
At the same time, the envoy added that Trump is “not trying to give something to Putin or to the Russians.” “He’s actually trying to save Ukraine and save their sovereignty, and he’s going to make sure that it’s equitable and it’s fair,” Kellogg said.

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 8 2025 22:29 utc | 192

Would any of you rather have China running things?
Posted by: dav1999 | Jan 8 2025 21:57 utc | 186

Easy to answer the question.
First… nobody asked you to run things and whenever you tried, it ended in chaos.
I spare you the list.
Second, the point is China wouldn’t want to run things.
But be my guest. Feel free to give an example of your good deeds…

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Jan 8 2025 22:31 utc | 193

Fnord @ 120:
“Greenland has a population of ~50,000 mostly indigenous people. They’re beneficiaries of the substantial Danish welfare state, and the (relatively speaking for colonial arrangements) benign neglect of the Danish government, which is still a social democracy. They will not choose American settler-colonial genocide and neoliberal “laissez-faire” economic policy over either direct independence and national ownership of mineral rights, or continued “subjugation” to the Danish welfare state …”
Sorry to have to tell you that Danish rule of Greenland was not always so passively benign.
Speaking up for women in Greenland spiral-case: “We were frozen in our bodies for decades”

… In the so called “spiral case”, Danish doctors placed IUDs (a small plastic or copper device that is placed in the uterus to prevent pregnancy) in thousands of Greenlandic Inuit girls and women, often without consent and sometimes without the girls being aware of it, under the direction of Danish government officials. The program was created to control Greenland’s birth rate. The cruel practice has been described as a form of “genocide” by Greenlandic politicians and was carried out as part of annual medical examinations at schools …

Half of the 9,000 Greenlandic Inuit women of childbearing age were fitted with IUDs and girls as young as 12 years of age were fitted with them without their consent or their parents’ consent in the 1960s and 70s.
This program to reduce birth rates in Greenland (to prevent overpopulation) in a forcible way is of a piece with similar eugenics programs in other Scandinavian countries. Sweden ran a eugenics program from the 1930s to 1975 in which thousands of Swedes, most of them women and teenage girls, ended up being sterilised for various reasons ranging from mental illness or deficiencies (real or imagined), becoming pregnant out of wedlock or being rebellious.
Eradication of “deviants”: the dark side of the Swedish Model.”
Why did Sweden sterilise up to 30,000 people against their will in the cause of eugenics?
Norway also carried out forced sterilisations of people deemed useless in some way. Sterilisation was sometimes also carried out on children born in the 1940s of liaisons between Norwegian women and German soldiers stationed in the country during Nazi German rule. Such children were also put into mental asylums or institutions where they were physically and sexually abused.
Children of Shame – Norway’s Dark Secret

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 8 2025 22:35 utc | 194

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 18:40 utc | 119
“That’s right, Barack “Deporter in Chief” Obama’s administration initiated the program. Give Trump credit for … well … taking credit and making a big hubbub about it, but by no means were the border walls (and more importantly, since walls without coverage are an expensive joke, the rest of the infrastructure) his brainchild.”
And Biden recently started auctioning off the unused steel sections left over from when he stopped the building of the wall in 2020. Trump just went to court and got an injunction to stop the sales and make sure there’s something left to build with after he’s inaugurated. Can you explain to me again how Trump has nothing to do with a successful wall to control the border?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 22:41 utc | 195

@Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 8 2025 21:47 utc | 185
Yes absolutely. The strong DM exchanged for a much weaker Euro, plus the inability of any other nations in the Eurozone to use currency depreciation to maintain competitiveness with Germany. Italy being quite possibly the worst victim of that,

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 22:42 utc | 196

Dav1999 @ 186:
The Chinese (about 15,000 – 20,000 of them) did a pretty good job building the western half of the United States’ first transcontinental railway line over the Rocky Mountains and through the deserts and western prairies in difficult conditions in double-quick time.
Building the Transcontinental Railroad: How 20,000 Chinese Immigrants Made It Happen
They might be able build a high-speed railway network in the western US at an even faster rate if they were in charge of the project as well.
So in answer to your question, not very many people here and outside MoA would say “no”.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 8 2025 22:46 utc | 197

@Posted by: Jane | Jan 8 2025 22:04 utc | 189
My last reply to you on this subject. Your pathetic attempt to trash scientifically gathered and massively checked and reviewed temperature measurements is an utterly pathetic attempt at obfuscation. One that has been debunked again, and again, and again …,
As for “global greening” it is already ended and now in decline, as per extensive satellite measurements. All such greening is limited by other resource availability, such as nitrogen and water etc. In addition, the stress from the rising temperatures starts to offset the greening effect of more CO2 in the air.
I will leave you to your island of delusions on this subject.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jan 8 2025 22:49 utc | 198

I see we have Bacon’s ghost here advertising for genocide yet again.
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Along with Pepe Escobar’s chat with Nima today that I linked to earlier, his chat with Alex Krainer was also excellent. He continues to provide hard evidence that the core of today’s ancein regime is British.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2025 22:55 utc | 199

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2025 20:05 utc | 153
“*Paranaense is a name used by several South American football clubs, so I assume that commentator is from Brazil or Paraguay, which may be why they asked me if I’ve ever been to America. But it’s strange now that I think about it – I wonder if they’ve ever been to the United States.”
I lived in southern Brazil for 6 years as a teenager and my time there had a profound effect on who I am. I now live in northern Minnesota, but I’m not the one who asked if you’ve been to America. That was someone else.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2025 23:20 utc | 200