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January 16, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-012

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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• Israel’s security cabinet approved the Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal on Friday. The wider cabinet will convene for a vote on the deal later today.
• Earlier, the Israeli Prime Minister’s office confirmed that a deal has been agreed with Hamas to release the hostages held in Gaza. The agreement, which US officials expect to take effect Sunday, would see a pause in fighting in Gaza and lead to the phased release of hostages and Palestinian prisoners.
• Israeli bombardments killed dozens of people in Gaza since the announcement of the deal, marking the highest daily death toll in over a week.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-ceasefire-war-palestine-01-17-25/index.html

Posted by: teri | Jan 17 2025 19:19 utc | 101

What Changed?: Mouin Rabbani and the Ceasefire Agreement
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2025/january/what-changed
“…Less than 24 hours later, Netanyahu indicated that the purported obstacles had been overcome, but the resultant delays may mean the ceasefire will begin not on 19 January, as planned, but the 20th – as it happens, the date of Donald Trump’s second inauguration.
As for the details of the agreement, Roren Bergman wrote in the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth that it would take ‘a microscope to find any difference between the deal that was clinched last night between Israel and Hamas, and the proposal Israel submitted to the mediators…on 27 July.
Bergman was referring to the initiative unveiled last May by the US president, Joe Biden, which Biden at the time specified had been formulated by Netanyahu but was being presented by Warshington.
Hamas accepted the deal in early July, but Israel introduced a variety of additional details…”
CGTN: What Are The Phases of the Gaza Ceasefire Deal?
https://x.com/cgtnamerica/status/1880288975107092555
“Analyst Mouin Rabbani breaks down the three-phase ceasefire agreement – between Israel and Hamas.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 17 2025 19:38 utc | 102

It seems to have finally dawned on the Genocidal Democrats that their party is headed towards oblivion.

Posted by: Deniz 152 | Jan 17 2025 19:53 utc | 103

Linda Mamoun
@mamoun_linda
A 15 year old Palestinian boy said he was raped in Israeli custody. When a nonprofit tried to expose it, Israel raided their offices, labeled them a terrorist organization, and shut them down. Brett Murphy’s ProPublica report reveals this and more.
https://x.com/mamoun_linda/status/1879815508285165742

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:14 utc | 104

Dr Andreas Krieg
@andreas_krieg
Qatar’s PM: “This framework that we signed two days ago, is the same framework that we agreed on in December 2023, which is basically 13 months of a waste of negotiating details that wasn’t worth any single life that we lost in Gaza”
https://x.com/andreas_krieg/status/1880301759324909646

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:14 utc | 105

Diana Buttu
@dianabuttu
Israel just released the list of 95 Palestinian prisoners who may be released in the coming days:
– 6 are kids; none convicted – 4 held without charge or trial
– 79 who have not been convicted of a crime including 27 being held without charge or trial.
Mass incarceration is an Israeli tool of control.
https://x.com/dianabuttu/status/1880284109278445686

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:15 utc | 106

jeremy scahill
@jeremyscahill
Israel says that its forces, not the Red Cross, will transport Palestinian prisoners released under the Gaza deal to ensure that Palestinians “do not deviate from the strict security guidelines and refrain from any expression of joy within Israeli territory.”
Remember, during the brief truce in November 2023, Israeli police visited the homes of freed Palestinians in East Jerusalem warning them “to refrain from any display of joy.
During the November 2023 truce, Itamar Ben-Gvir ordered Israeli police to use “an iron fist” to stop any Palestinian celebrations and said, “Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism, victory celebrations give backing to those human scum, for those Nazis.”
https://x.com/jeremyscahill/status/1880248565492248817

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:18 utc | 107

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
So the High Representative for Foreign and Security Policy and Vice-President of the European Commission (HRVP) told a Saudi regime paper that EU is ready to help draft the new Syrian constitution. When Iran had influence in Syria, it did not draft a constitution.
https://x.com/asadabukhalil/status/1880070708027600918

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:18 utc | 108

Larry C Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0TMdzz0dik
“I don’t think this deal is going to stick…”
Chris Hedges: The Ceasefire Charade
https://consortiumnews.com/2025/01/10/chris-hedges-the-ceasefire-charade/
“Israel plays a cynical game. It makes phased agreements with the Palestinians that ensure it immediately gets what it wants.
It then violates every subsequent phase and reignites its military assault.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 17 2025 20:19 utc | 109

Brett Murphy
@BrettMmurphy
·
Jan 16
There is a ceasefire deal, so I want to share this story from my past year reporting inside the State Dept. trying to answer the central question of Biden’s foreign policy:
How did the U.S. let Israel get away with widespread horrors in Gaza? 1/
2/ Since Oct. 7, 2023, Biden and Secretary of State Blinken repeatedly drew lines on humanitarian grounds that the Israelis ostensibly couldn’t cross.
The IDF crossed them anyway.
And each time, there were no real consequences.
https://x.com/BrettMmurphy/status/1879639766242902074

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:20 utc | 110

Afshin Rattansi
@afshinrattansi
Joe Biden admits he warned Netanyahu to stop carpet bombing communities
Netanyahu replied by comparing Israel’s actions to US carpet bombing of Berlin and dropping nuclear bombs
Biden essentially admits he allowed Netanyahu to carpet bomb Gaza for over 15 months and commit genocide, providing almost $30 billion in military aid and weapons shipments
Genocide Joe is as guilty as Netanyahu for the horrors we have witnessed in Gaza
https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1880199606132166910

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:21 utc | 111

Decensored News
@decensorednews
NEW: We reconstructed @samhusseini
‘s viral confrontation with Antony Blinken by combining footage from multiple sources, including @amrhsayed
& @ryangrim
. A must-see.
This was the culmination of months of State Dept stonewalling.
“Why aren’t you in The Hague??”
https://x.com/decensorednews/status/1880230957070029141

Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:22 utc | 112

@ John Gilberts | Jan 17 2025 20:19 utc | 110 about the half-life of the potential ceasefire.
I agree and the timing of whatever happens on this will be used like we are in a Hollywood movie…be prepared, scene change…..biggly

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 17 2025 20:28 utc | 113

a pertinent and invaluable history lesson from Chris Hedges
“Study the past, if you would divine the future.” – Confucius
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-ceasefire-charade
and
https://x.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1879927099714310518
Chris Hedges @ChrisLynnHedges
The Ceasefire Charade
Israel, going back decades, has played a duplicitous game. It signs a deal with the Palestinians that is to be implemented in phases. The first phase gives Israel what it wants — in this case the release of the Israeli hostages in Gaza — but Israel habitually fails to implement subsequent phases that would lead to a just and equitable peace. It eventually provokes the Palestinians with indiscriminate armed assaults to retaliate, defines a Palestinian response as a provocation and abrogates the ceasefire deal to reignite the slaughter.
If this latest three-phase ceasefire deal is ratified — and there is no certainty that it will be by Israel — it will, I expect, be little more than a presidential inauguration bombing pause. Israel has no intention of halting its merry-go-round of death.
The Israeli cabinet has delayed a vote on the ceasefire proposal while it continues to pound Gaza. At least 81 Palestinians have been killed in the last 24 hours……
….The deal includes three phases. The first phase, lasting 42 days, will see a cessation of hostilities. Hamas will release some Israeli hostages – 33 Israelis who were captured on Oct. 7, 2023, including all of the remaining five women, those aged above 50, and those with illnesses – in exchange for up to 1,000 Palestinians imprisoned by Israel.
The Israeli army will pull back from the populated areas of the Gaza Strip on the first day of the ceasefire. On the 7th day, displaced Palestinians will be permitted to return to northern Gaza. Israel will allow 600 aid trucks with food and medical supplies to enter Gaza daily…..
….The deep fissures between Israel and Hamas, even if the Israelis finally accept the agreement, threaten to implode it. Hamas is seeking a permanent ceasefire. But Israeli policy is unequivocal about its “right” to re-engage militarily. There is no consensus about who will govern Gaza. Israel has made it clear the continuance of Hamas in power is unacceptable. There is no mention of the status of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), the U.N. agency that Israel has outlawed
and that provides the bulk of the humanitarian aid given to the Palestinians, 95 percent of whom have been displaced. There is no agreement on the reconstruction of Gaza, which lies in rubble. And, of course, there is no route in the agreement to an independent and sovereign Palestinian state.
Israeli mendacity and manipulation is pitifully predictable……
….The right of Palestinian refugees to return to the historic lands seized from them in 1948 when Israel was created — a right enshrined in international law — was given up by the PLO leader Yasser Arafat, instantly alienating many Palestinians, especially those in Gaza where 75 percent are refugees or the descendants of refugees. Edward Said called the Oslo agreement “an instrument of Palestinian surrender, a Palestinian Versailles” and lambasted Arafat as “the Pétain of the Palestinians.”……
….The journalist Robert Fisk called Oslo “a sham, a lie, a trick to entangle Arafat and the PLO into abandonment of all that they had sought and struggled for over a quarter of a century, a method of creating false hope in order to emasculate the aspiration of statehood.”…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 17 2025 22:15 utc | 114

Colonel Cassad reports on the “comprehensive” security treaty between Russia and Iran.
It may turn out badly for Iran. We have seen how Russia threw Assad under the bus (see John Hlemer). The same is threatening Iran.
The “friends of Russia” in the region should think carefully about what what Lavrov said to Tucker means: Israel’s security is the highest priority for Russia.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 17 2025 22:41 utc | 115

“It is not fair and just that your departure should be silent and cold, you in particular, Ahmed Al-Shawa, it is right that the news of your martyrdom should be loud and resounding as much as the spirit and life in which you faced death and annihilation, singing, dancing, jumping, treading, flying in the sky like a flame defeating the wind: “We want to rejoice, we want to live.. We want the whole world to see” .. Does the maker of joy die with such silence and sadness! Is the bearer of joy buried on his heavy shoulders from Gaza to Shuja’iyya, and from Jabalia to Beit Hanoun, with all this silence!
Peace be upon you, you who are tall and handsome, peace be upon your beautiful soul, writing about you and your departed peers, is a rebellion against absence and an adherence to your mark and beautiful presence in our lives… and also a shy apology,
Journalist Yousef Fares – North Gaza Strip”
https://t.me/youseffares19/64990
(Video, not graphic)

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 17 2025 23:13 utc | 116

It seems to have finally dawned on the Genocidal Democrats that their party is headed towards oblivion.
Posted by: Deniz 152 | Jan 17 2025 19:53 utc | 104
______
Dare I hope that they came to that realization much too late?

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 18 2025 0:23 utc | 117

“The Israeli Security Cabinet would need to vote to accept the terms of the ceasefire, and then a second vote would go before Israel’s parliament, the Knesset. If passed by both groups, there would also be time for appeals against the deal to be brought to the nation’s Supreme Court.” The Hill
“A Knesset vote is not necessary for the ceasefire to reflect Israeli acceptance; a cabinet resolution is sufficient. ” The Indian Express
“After (War) Cabinet Approval, Israeli (Full) Cabinet Ratifies Gaza Agreement
One step remains for implementation Sunday: The Supreme Court opens the door to appeals from Israelis against the release of Palestinian prisoners” Gaza News Now
All from last 24hrs or so.
?

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 0:29 utc | 118

see the illustration of Gaza at the first link
https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1880123341794844940
Mohamad Safa @mhdksafa
Israel has dropped almost 80,000 tons of explosives – this means that Israel has dropped ~36 kilograms of explosives on Gaza for every man, woman, and child.
Each red dot shows a bombed place in Gaza. (UN Satellite Centre, July 6th)
This is what genocide looks like.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 18 2025 4:05 utc | 119

Lebanese Singer Julia Boutros
https://x.com/timand2037/status/1880371672370520486
“Pays tribute to the Palestinian resistance.”
From the river to the sea Palestine will be free. Long live Palestine!

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 18 2025 6:15 utc | 120

He’s Neither a Hero on the Left, Nor on the Right
Not loved by Israelis, nor Arabs
Nuremberg tribunal and definition genocide in international law have been for naught.
 
Joe believes he is a supreme being, the Almighty to decide over Life or Death … admits he is a joker for Bibi … 
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/us-president-biden-says-he-urged-israeli-premier-netanyahu-to-avoid-carpet-bombing-gaza/3453437
 
ICC prosecutor Karim Khan confirms criminality Gaza war … no subsidiarity Israeli Justice.
https://x.com/Reuters/status/1880171963055767977

Posted by: Oui | Jan 18 2025 8:22 utc | 121

Israel is Refusing to Release Key Political Prisoners in Ceasefire
Hamas says it will continue pushing to free Marwan Barghouti and Ahmad Sadaat in ongoing negotiations
Jeremy Scahill
and Sharif Abdel Kouddous
Jan 18, 2025
The Palestinian delegation negotiating the Gaza “ceasefire” agreement in Doha made an eleventh-hour effort earlier this week to push for the release of two of the most high-profile political prisoners held by Israel: Marwan Barghouti, a popular political leader many believe would win a democratic election in Palestine, and Ahmad Sadaat, Secretary-General of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
After the agreement was announced in Doha on Wednesday, Israel and the U.S. falsely portrayed Hamas as upending the deal. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday accused Hamas of trying to “extort last minute concessions,” saying in a statement that “Hamas reneged on parts of the agreement reached with the mediators.” Sources close to the Gaza ceasefire negotiations, however, told Drop Site that the Palestinian side renewed their push for Barghouti and Saadat as a result of Israel’s last minute attempt to expedite the release of a group of male Israeli soldiers held in Gaza. Some Palestinian sources suggested the move may have been motivated by Netanyahu’s efforts to convince National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to support the deal. Hamas and Israel had previously agreed to the release of five female Israeli soldiers in Phase 1 of the deal. It is not known precisely how many living Israeli soldiers remain in captivity in Gaza.
Israel also delayed a final agreement by refusing to provide maps specifying technical yet critical details about the withdrawal routes and repositioning of Israeli forces in three key areas: the buffer zone within the Gaza Strip, the Philadelphi corridor that runs along the border with Egypt, and the Rafah crossing. A Palestinian source involved with the negotiations told Drop Site that based on past experience with Israel, the maps were vital to limit Israel’s ability to exploit any vagueness. A senior Hamas official later told Drop Site that Israel subsequently provided the maps to mediators, clearing the way for the final deal to go into effect on Sunday.
From the start of the war, Hamas has said Marwan Barghouti’s release was a top priority in any exchange deal. “They know the Israelis would never allow [his release] in the first Phase,” a Palestinian source close to the negotiations told Drop Site. Barghouti—a senior member of Fatah, the ruling party of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas—was arrested in 2002 and sentenced by an Israeli court to five life sentences on charges of murder attributed to the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades during the second Palestinian Intifada. Some media reports have suggested that Abbas and the U.S. government have opposed the release of Barghouti, who is often seen as a likely successor to Abbas if freed.
“He is very much a Nelson Mandela-like figure, but there’s a big difference between the two. And the big difference is that the ANC at every opportunity was making sure to put forward Nelson Mandela’s name,” said Palestinian human rights lawyer Dianna Buttu, who previously served as an advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization’s negotiating team. “In our case, we have a Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, who has spent the past 19 years in office never really uttering his name, or pushing for Marwan’s freedom. And the reason that he doesn’t do that is because he sees him as a rival. He does have that ability to be a leader, to unite people.”

MORE…
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-refusing-to-release-marwan-barghouti-ahmad-saadat

Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 8:51 utc | 122

How did the U.S. let Israel get away with widespread horrors in Gaza? 1/
Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:20 utc | 111
Let them?
Facilitated them is more like it.

Posted by: Mary | Jan 18 2025 9:36 utc | 123

Colonel Cassad reports on the “comprehensive” security treaty between Russia and Iran.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 17 2025 22:41 utc | 116
It’s called “Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty”, no “security” ( tass.com/world/1901023 ).
And not many people read the news from a few months ago, unanimous votes “preserve the Council’s unity” ( press.un.org/en/2024/sc15896.doc.htm ) So any treaty with Iran can contain only trade. Now if Iran joins Nato, hosts US bases and becomes friendly to Israel like Turkey and India do, they may be allowed to buy one S400, maybe.

Posted by: rk | Jan 18 2025 11:53 utc | 124

What Haiphong doesnt get is that 1) there was an agreement as said by ppl of the gov on the day Asad relinquished power (not willing to fight to the late Syrian for his brother and uncle’s sake); 2) some of the rebels are Syrians and no one wanted to welcome them as new citizens or new djihadists anywhere. Vision 2030 was entirely MB free. Huge infrastructures being built as we speak in ksa and egypt but they probably focused on jobs for their own ppl and maybe some Palestinians. This is when Qatar and Sinwar decided to break in.
But if Russia and Iran accepted to lake the deal with Turkey, it is because they saw it would be a good trap for the West.

Posted by: Tom | Jan 18 2025 11:58 utc | 125

Full vote of Knenneset has taken place and the “ceasefire” deal will be implemented on Sunday morning at 8:30 Gaza time:
——————-
The Israeli government approves the Gaza deal, with a majority of 24 ministers in favor, compared to 8 opponents.
Qatari Foreign Ministry Spokesperson: Ceasefire agreement begins Sunday morning at 8:30 local time in Gaza
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?after=64984&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
—————

Posted by: teri | Jan 18 2025 13:37 utc | 126

Oops, I meant “Knesset”, not whatever that word is that I put in the above @ 127.

Posted by: teri | Jan 18 2025 13:39 utc | 127

When is Bibi’s birthday?
Happy bithday to you.
You belong in a zoo.
You look like a psycho.
And you lie like one too.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2025 14:45 utc | 128

notice how those photos of the Israeli “hostages” are all fully in the IDF conscript or weekend warrior age group ?
Soldiers aren’t hostages they are POWs

Posted by: Exile | Jan 18 2025 15:24 utc | 129

Soldiers aren’t hostages they are POWs
Posted by: Exile | Jan 18 2025 15:24 utc | 130

@Exile
I’m sorry, but you’re wong.

Although the prohibition of hostage-taking is specified in the Fourth Geneva Convention and is typically associated with the holding of civilians as hostages, there is no indication that the offence is limited to taking civilians hostage. Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, the Statute of the International Criminal Court and the International Convention against the Taking of Hostages do not limit the offence to the taking of civilians, but apply it to the taking of any person. Indeed, in the Elements of Crimes for the International Criminal Court, the definition applies to the taking of any person protected by the Geneva Conventions

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule96
@all
I’m not giving my point of view, but simply indicating what the position of international law is on this point. There’s no need to raise an army of indignant people against me, I’m not the originator of international law.

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 16:15 utc | 130

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-neY5sVD528
This young man makes some powerful points. Israel may be in big trouble internally.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 18 2025 16:17 utc | 131

To be clear: enemy soldiers can be held captive during a conflict, but they must not be held in an attempt to satisfy the objectives described in the New York Convention:

The act of hostage-taking for the purposes of the Convention refers to any person who seizes or detains and threatens to kill, to injure or to continue to detain a hostage in order to compel a State, an international intergovernmental organization, a natural or juridical person, or a group of persons, to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the hostage.

https://www.unodc.org/documents/treaties/Special/1979%20International%20Convention%20against%20the%20Taking%20of%20Hostages.pdf

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 16:35 utc | 132

More Worrying Developments At ICJ
https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1880349893685846267
“Judge Sebutinde, who is associated with a Zionist cult, and who shocked the international legal community with her bizarre, lawless dissents in favor of Israeli impunity, becomes ad interim President.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 18 2025 16:38 utc | 133

Been monitoring the main “Israeli” mockingbirds.
Here is an interesting article from today.
“He’s a f- liar,”, Biden referring to the guy that we just witnessed being trusted to sign onto a ceasefire deal.

More than once, passionate arguments erupted between the sides that escalated to shouting and even cursing. “He’s a f- liar,” President Joe Biden said about Netanyahu after Israel entered Rafah by ground, according to an American report.
Despite these disagreements, some of which also delayed war moves, from Netanyahu’s perspective, the continued American support for Israel was a priceless gift. Conversations with a long line of sources reveal that the entire Israeli political and security leadership, from the prime minister down, was and remains in agreement that without backing from Washington, Israel would have been forced to stop the war before achieving all its goals.
Beyond the American armaments that crossed the Atlantic Ocean and enabled the continuation of IDF attacks in Gaza and Lebanon, the most important thing from Israel’s perspective was America’s position in the UN Security Council and its ability to veto any resolution that would effectively end the war. “Contrary to popular opinion in Israel, without the Americans we would have closed this war long ago,” as a senior Israeli official puts it. “That’s why we had to tread carefully with them and walk on eggshells.”

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/01/17/the-dramatic-operations-israel-coordinated-with-the-us-and-those-it-didnt/
“Israelis” marrying Biden to their war crimes.

Posted by: librul | Jan 18 2025 16:51 utc | 134

US officials Hochstein (US Special Envoy to Lebanon) and Maj. Gen. Jeffers (Chairman Lebanon Ceasefire Oversight) reiterate the “guarantee” of full Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon by the ceasefire deadline less than ten days away.
IDF continues to conduct “excavation work” in towns across border region, which involves the destruction of residential neighborhoods with bulldozers. While retreating from ten towns in last 50 days, Israel has occupied a further sixty. It may be the only ceasefire agreement in history where one side continues destructive operations with complete freedom of movement while the other side is warned by the “guarantors” to remain passive.. US analysts regardless believe the “chances are high” that the IDF will “eventually withdraw”. The value of a “US guarantee” under Trump will be put to the test.

Posted by: jayc | Jan 18 2025 18:13 utc | 135

Remarkable that the genociders interpret Jus In Bello in the most imaginative ways possible. ( aka outlright lies )
Fascinating also that genociders never mention the 10,000 Arab civilians being held in torture dungeons……

Posted by: Exile | Jan 18 2025 18:38 utc | 136

Hadn’t I foreseen that some idiot would come and reproach me for the current state of international law? Well, that’s that.

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 19:32 utc | 137

My theory is that likely that the full Knesset didn’t have to vote because there is a state of war, and there is some clause somewhere that during a state of war, the war cabinet can approve a cease-fire.
It is important to remember that this isn’t a peace deal or end to the war. Israel is still free to do whatever they want, including bombing Gaza. The only thing they committed to (on paper) is to exchange prisoners for the hostages and maybe withdraw temporarily from a few positions.
We had a similar ceasefire back in November ’23 and it did not hold for more than a week or so.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 18 2025 19:32 utc | 138

@ teri
The knessnet means the full parliament (over two hundred if I remember), and afaik they did not vote. The security cabinet voted, then the full cabinet voted (i.e. all ministers). In texts you will read ‘government’ to mean knessent or full cabinet, and you will read cabinet to mean security or full without specifying.
Anyway, it seems they make it up as they go along, so there is that also.
@133
“The act of hostage-taking for the purposes of the Convention refers to any person who seizes or detains and threatens to kill, to injure or to continue to detain a hostage in order to compel a State, an international intergovernmental organization, a natural or juridical person, or a group of persons, to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the hostage.”
i.e. “We won’t return you your soldiers unless you abstain from enacting war on us” makes them hostages ?
That is a surreal definition, who is going to release soldiers only to have them then continue killing the people being defended ?
It seems to actually encourage war and killing.
So it is a corrupt definition.
Signed ’79 anti-terror related probably as part of an agenda.
UN definitions are not absolute, they are “an effort”, sometimes not even, and sometimes the opposite of what they appear to be (or used that way).
Ironically:
“The convention has been signed but not ratified by the DR Congo and Israel”

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 19:56 utc | 139

Roundup:
Ceasefire starts 8:30 am local time Sunday
(No 48 hr cessation of hostility, Gaza is still being bombed)
Yuhu says:
Still waiting for full list of detainees to be released by Hamas.
US promises to release any delayed arms shipments.
Will expand military presence on , retain control of, Philadelphi and Nezarim indefinitely.
Is free to reinitiate conflict and says this is only part way of the path to dismanteling Hamas.
Trump says:
Good governance by his admin. will see ceasefire continue.
… as previously, pls. correct any mistakes, it is difficult to keep up with this event and stay accurate…

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 20:19 utc | 140

120 – I knew a Lebanese named Mohamed Safa, meeting him at a couple of conferences. I couldn’t get into the x (blocked in the UK?) so I could not confirm that it is the same one.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 18 2025 20:31 utc | 141

Four days ago I had posted:

More Victimhood from the Genociders.
Surprise, surprise, surprise…NOT
“It is Us! that are the victims, not the Palestinians!”
Hollywood has just released *another* victimhood movie (“September 5”).
How many has it been? Dozens or hundreds?
How many Holocaust victimhood books are there, thousands or
tens of thousands?
There are more than 100 Holocaust museums and memorials worldwide.
There are day(S!) set aside for Holocaust remembrance.
How many thousands — tens of thousands — of articles?
And what have they learned!? That genocide is wrong, wasn’t that the purpose
of the remembrance?
It is small wonder that Victimhood narcissism has fed the beastliness
of the Psychopathic Entity. And set loose murderous monsters upon Gaza.
But a new Holocaust movie at this time of Zionist genociding would be problematic,
so what were they to do?
They went with yet **another** “terrorism at the Munich Olympics” movie.
No surprises there.
Will be interested to learn if they failed to mention, even
fleetingly, the randomly chosen 250 Palestinian women, children
and old people “Israel” murdered in immediate retaliation.

You can add one more to the hundreds or thousands of Victimhood movies.
Yesterday I saw an ad for “A Real Pain”, a movie by Jesse Eisenberg.
[most of the filming took place before Oct 7, 2023, as I understand it]
In it Jesse travels to Poland to honor his grandmother who experienced the Holocaust.
The lesson of the Holocaust has now been made manifest. Most (but NOT all !!!) Jewish people
either
support the Genocide in Gaza
perpetrate the Genocide
or deny the Genocide.
These Holocaust movies, memorials, days of remembrance, books and articles
promote hateful, monstrous genocide. People should realize that.
I wonder how Jesse Eisenberg would feel if he understood what he promoted.
They are stuck in a victim-culture,
never healing the past.
Here is an article that addresses woundology:
https://poosh.com/what-is-woundology/

Blame
You feel a desire to blame others for how your life has turned out, keeping you negatively attached to the people and pain of your past.
Victimhood
A need to be seen as the victim of the situation (for example in a divorce or separation) and gaining power and attention through identifying with this role.
Betrayal
Not wanting to heal from your hurt (for example, when a loved one has passed away), because it feels like you will forget or betray them by moving forward with your life.
Identity
You have become defined by what happened to you and feel the need to continue to tell people about your story. Not for therapeutic purposes but because you don’t know who you are without it.
Awareness
You have the therapeutic language about your past, but none of this has landed below the neck, and awareness is not healing. As the saying goes, “We have to feel it to heal it,” and true healing involves the body, not just the mind.

Posted by: librul | Jan 18 2025 20:52 utc | 142

Headline: Netanyahu Says Trump “Emphasized” To Him That The Gaza Ceasefire Is “Temporary”
In a nationally televised speech, Netanyahu…

Netanyahu says Trump “emphasized” to him that the ceasefire is “temporary,” and Israel will have “full backing” to resume the war in Gaza. He says Trump has decided to “lift all the remaining restrictions” on US munitions, allowing Israel to resume the war with “tremendous force”

Posted by: librul | Jan 18 2025 20:59 utc | 143

Brett Murphy
@BrettMmurphy
Jan 15 • 17 tweets • 6 min read •
Read on X
There is a ceasefire deal, so I want to share this story from my past year reporting inside the State Dept. trying to answer the central question of Biden’s foreign policy:
How did the U.S. let Israel get away with widespread horrors in Gaza? 1/
2/ Since Oct. 7, 2023, Biden and Secretary of State Blinken repeatedly drew lines on humanitarian grounds that the Israelis ostensibly couldn’t cross.
The IDF crossed them anyway.
And each time, there were no real consequences.
Threadreader MORE…
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1879639764376461374.html
Or the Article:
https://www.propublica.org/article/biden-blinken-state-department-israel-gaza-human-rights-horrors?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twitter-thread

Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:33 utc | 144

Ryan Rozbiani
@RyanRozbiani
🚨BREAKING: Israeli Lawyer Accuses Israel of Genocide to ICC
Israeli lawyer Omer Shatz has accused 8 officials, including President Herzog and PM Netanyahu, of incitement to genocide against Palestinians in a submission to the ICC.
https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/1880039116257259875

Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:34 utc | 145

Kushner’s Saudi-backed fund doubles stake in firm financing illegal West Bank settlements
The Cradle.
News Desk
JAN 17, 2025
Affinity Partners, the Saudi-funded hedge firm of President-elect Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, received approval from Israeli regulators to double its stake in Phoenix Financial Ltd., which funds the construction of illegal Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian West Bank.
Bloomberg reported on 17 January that Affinity could buy an additional 4.95 percent stake in the financial services firm at 37.5 shekels ($10.3) a share.
Phoenix’s share price has surged over 50 percent to around 58.5 shekels apiece since mid-July, when Kushner’s Miami-based firm announced the $128.5 million deal to buy its initial 4.95 percent stake, Bloomberg noted.
Kushner has held up the deal as a sign of his company’s confidence in the war-racked country’s economy.
MORE…
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/28507

Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:37 utc | 146

sarah
@sahouraxo
Israel killed Hala and her entire family today by dropping a bomb on their home in Gaza—just after agreeing to a ceasefire.
Hala was a young doctor, devoted to saving lives.
She was not a combatant.
This is a crime against humanity.
https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1880024796563685808

Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:38 utc | 147

sarah
@sahouraxo
BREAKING:
Israel is blowing up entire civilian apartment buildings in South Lebanon, in the middle of the night—despite a “ceasefire”.
No reason. No justification. Just pure terror and destruction. A war crime.
And, of course, not a peep from the international community.
https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1880002784030040257

Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:39 utc | 148

@Ornot | Jan 18 2025 20:19 utc | 141
The Israeli government needs to present the ceasefire agreement as a victory in order to calm its supporters who are talking about a ‘shameful defeat’. We must therefore not pay too much attention to the proclamations made here and there (including by Trump), and focus instead on the text of the agreement itself, which is an annex to the agreement proposed by Israel on 27 May 2024:

Appendix I
Practical procedures and mechanisms to implement the agreement for the exchange of Israeli hostages and Palestinian Prisoners and the return to a sustainable calm which would achieve a permanent ceasefire between the two sides
1. Stage two preparations:
* The parties and the mediators’ objective is to achieve a final consensus to implement the May 27, 2024, agreement on the exchange of hostages and prisoners and return to a sustainable calm which would achieve a permanent ceasefire between the parties.
* All procedures in the first stage will continue in stage 2 so long as the negotiations of the conditions of implementing stage 2 are ongoing and the guarantors of this agreement shall work to ensure that negotiations continue until an agreement is reached.
2. Israeli forces withdrawal:
* Withdrawal of Israeli forces eastwards from densely populated areas along the borders of the Gaza Strip, including Wadi Gaza (Netzarim axis and Kuwait roundabout).
* The Israeli forces will be deployed in a perimeter (700) meters with an exception at 5 localized points to be increased no more than (400) additional meters that the Israeli side will determine, south and west of the border, and based on the maps agreed upon by both sides which accompany the agreement.
3. Prisoner Exchange:
* The 9 ill and wounded from the list of 33 will be released in exchange for the release of 110 Palestinian prisoners with life sentences.
* Israel will release 1,000 Gazan detainees from 8 October, 2023, that were not involved in 7 October, 2023
* The elderly (men over 50) from the list of 33 will be released in exchange for an exchange key of 1:3 life sentences + 1:27 other sentences.
* Avera Mengistu and Hisham al-Sayed — will be released according to an exchange key of 1:30, as well as 47 Shalit prisoners.
* A number of Palestinian prisoners will be released abroad or in Gaza based on lists agreed upon between both sides.
4. Philadelphi corridor:
* The Israeli side will gradually reduce the forces in the corridor area during stage 1 based on the accompanying maps and the agreement between both sides.
* After the last hostage release of stage one, on day 42, the Israeli forces will begin their withdrawal and complete it no later than day 50.
5. Rafah Border Crossing:
* The Rafah crossing will be ready for the transfer of civilians and for the wounded after the release of all women (civilian and soldiers). Israel will work toward the readiness of the crossing as soon as the agreement is signed.
* Israeli forces will redeploy around the Rafah Crossing according to the attached maps.
* 50 wounded military individuals will be allowed to cross daily accompanied by (3) individuals. Each individual crossing will require Israeli and Egyptian approval.
* The crossing will be operated based on the August 2024 discussions with Egypt.
6. Exit of ill and wounded civilians:
* All ill and wounded Palestinian civilians will be allowed to cross via Rafah border crossing, according to section 12 in the 27 May 2024 agreement.
7. Return of unarmed internally displaced (Netzarim Corridor):
* The return is agreed based on the 27, May 2024, agreement section 3-a and 3-b.
* On day 7, the internally displaced pedestrians will be allowed to return north, without carrying arms and without inspection via Rashid street. On day 22, they will be allowed to return north from the Salah a-Din street as well, without inspection.
* On day 7, vehicles and any non-pedestrian traffic will be allowed to return north of Netzarim corridor after vehicle inspection which will be performed by a private company which will be determined by the mediators in sync with the Israeli side, based on an agreed upon mechanism.
8. Humanitarian aid protocol:
* Humanitarian aid procedures under the agreement will be done subject to the humanitarian protocol agreed upon under the supervision of the mediators.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-the-hostage-ceasefire-agreement-reached-between-israel-and-hamas/
Full text of Israeli hostage release-ceasefire proposal, submitted on May 27:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-israeli-hostage-release-ceasefire-proposal-submitted-on-may-27/

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 21:56 utc | 149

Nota bene: the “47 Shalit prisoners” are the prisoners of the 2011 Gilad Shalit exchange that were re-detained.

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 22:21 utc | 150

@150
I have not seen the maps though ?
The trouble is that the entity is not trusted at all, it decides seperately and arranges differently to what it presents. That is a known.
This ceasefire will be managed with the usual kinds of political presentation we are used to, but when Yuhu says “Israel” will continue with a strong control of Gaza then I am inclined to believe that control will not be relinquished.
There has been no clear mention of form of governance in Gaza, the Palestinians will return to rubble, western media will not be able to cover over the reports being shared from Gaza.
To rebuild is a many year long very expensive project, as is simply supporting the population in Gaza.
This cannot happen in a vacuum and there will be every effort made to tilt events into the hands of an “Israel” aligned governance. “Israel” will not accept losing command, and I doubt even transition to independent UN oversight/participation in Gaza will be allowed.
It will go on as it does obviously, “Israel” has set trips to the process which are described as to maintain incentives (release of certain prisoners only at 2nd stage was one if I remember).
I suppose it depends on how “Israeli” society absorbs the new reality, given current gov. loses its majority now with resignations (if I remember), and so the future of the government is unstable (unless resignations are reinstated, if conflict resumes).
Colour me cynical but there is just too much going on for the existing agreement to stand by itself as an answer.
At least there will be some respite for the people of Gaza.

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 23:26 utc | 151

An off the cuff on related in the region:
Palestine – “Israel’ reinforcing presence in west bank.
Lebanon – approaching “Israel” withdrawal date and much uncertainty due to possible attempt at extension. “Israel” continues to enforce broad no-go zones and destroy residential buildings, as well as accusing LAF of not being thorough, as well as occupying territory related to expansion in…
Syria – maybe I don’t follow related channels but it seems very hushed, “Israel” consolidating its presence in the country, questions of alegiances between potentially rival forces in the country.
Yemen – says will respect ceasefire as long as it lasts, talk of returning a US ship, but conflict with US and co. continues at the moment, with strikes on Yemen and targeting of US fleet.
Iran – MEK related two (or three) judges assassinated.
There is a lot more going on besides, that is just a snapshot of some main realities…

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 23:59 utc | 152

Legal petition for the arrest of an “Israeli” in Spain:
“The Hind Rajab Foundation urges Spanish authorities to take immediate action by investigating and detaining Keisar to ensure accountability for the atrocities committed. The case also implicates other individuals in Keisar’s platoon, such as Ofek Carmon and Guy Kenan, highlighting the need for broader investigations into systemic abuses.”
https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/perpetrators/hind-rajab-foundation-files-war-crimes-complaint-against-israeli-soldier-in-barcelona

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 19 2025 0:22 utc | 153

there is plenty of complicity to go around for this genocide and ethnic cleansing by the sociopathic barbarians that run the israeli government, isn’t there?
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1879881641155293429
and
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/01/a-ceasefire-is-not-an-end/
The Genocide of the Palestinian people began 76 years ago. What may be drawing to a close is merely a particularly intense phase in the Genocide.
Gaza is destroyed. 92% of its housing has gone. Its water treatment and sanitation, electricity generation, food processing, farming, and fishing are all now incapable of sustaining much life. Its hospitals, health centres, universities, colleges, and schools are all now destroyed, as are its municipal buildings, waste disposal, road surfaces, drainage channels, theatres, cultural centres, cinemas, cafés.
What is left is 1.8 million cold and starving people, malnourished, soaked, ill-clothed, living in tents and defecating in trenches. Tens of thousands will die in these conditions however fast aid comes – and you can be 100% certain Israeli obstructionism will prevent it from coming fast.
But even if they can be physically saved, the culture and fabric of society are damaged beyond repair. The psychological damage is immense. The institutions of normality that might permit recovery are non-existent.
Nobody really knows the true number killed so far in the genocide.,,,,
….In both the USA and the UK, governments ignored their own senior officials and legal advisers to break the human rights constraints which those nations had imposed upon their foreign policy, particularly with regard to the supply of weapons.
In Poland, France and several other NATO countries, the governments have openly repudiated their duty to enforce warrants of the International Criminal Court.
In the UK, Germany, USA, France and throughout the Western world, there has been a massive rolling back of long-cherished and hard-won rights of freedom of expression and assembly, explicitly to prevent criticism of Israel and support for Palestine……
….So, what happens now? Well, I was in Beirut when it was carpet bombed in the hours immediately before the ceasefire here took effect, and I expect Israel to massively bomb Gaza’s tent cities in the next three days.
I have also seen Israel break the ceasefire in Lebanon every single day, and I expect them to do that in Gaza too……
…..The Israelis will continually delay and renege on the provisions on aid access and on withdrawal of troops. Palestinians in Gaza will die in large numbers of disease, hunger and poor sanitation.
Just as the ceasefire in Lebanon led to Israel immediately invading Southern Syria, Israel will now increase its activity in the West Bank,….
….The myth of Western support for international law and human rights died in Gaza, along with the myth of Western support for the “two-state solution”. There never was a viable two-state solution and it was those states who were loudest in pretending to support it, who vehemently refused to recognise the Palestinian state.
The “two-state solution” was only ever a cover for Zionism….
….Israel has lost any moral authority for its continued existence…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 0:54 utc | 154

see the 2:12 video clip at the second link
https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1880112553021378626
Aaron Maté @aaronjmate
In a chat with loyal stenographer @Lawrence, President Biden recounts how Netanyahu told him of his intent to “indiscriminately bomb” the besieged Gaza Strip, one of the world’s most densely populated areas.
Biden says Netanyahu made the “legitimate argument” argument that Israel had no choice, in order to take out “the bad guys” hiding in tunnels. So Biden gave him all the bombs he wanted, and repeatedly blocked a ceasefire.
In a just world, @lawrence’s fawning interview could actually do some social good: as evidence in a war crimes trial.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1880102341933945085
Acyn @Acyn
Biden: And I said, “Bibi, you can’t be carpet bombing these communities.” And he said to me, “well, you did it, you carpet bombed.” Not his exact words, but “you carpet bombed Berlin. You dropped a nuclear weapon.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 1:17 utc | 155

For me the most important part of the peace deal is that as well as promising to stop murdering Palestinians directly the zionist entity has undertaken to allow hundreds trucks full of food plus other much needed essentials into Gaza, including the North.
This is going to be the first check we as outsiders can have on the readiness of the zionists to live up to the deal. Until now the zionists have perverted the delivery of aid in some really twisted & arcane ways.
this article which you will need to translate explains what the zionists have been doing until Hamas began a crackdown on the Gazain sociopaths who acted on behalf of the zionists.
Basically the zionists unexpectedly allowed an aid convoy of 100 trucks into Gaza one day, except the trucks were told to stick to a weird route than made the dispersal spot not far from an iof outpost. A bunch of crooked Palestinians stuck up the trucks & took off with the goods & sold them at inflated prices to their fellow citizens.
Hamas investigators tracked down the ringleader of the operation by searching through shin beth communications going into Gaza. It transpired that part of the deal included huge kickbacks to the zionists.
This does not surprise me as those who wonder why there are no Western journos in Gaza need to cvast their thoughts back to the noughties when many western journos elected to stay on in Gaza after the blockade began. Many were kidnapped and held to ransom ostensibly for things which would never be delivered eg insisting every Muslim prisoner held in amerikan prisons and jails be released. In actual fact they were demanding ransoms in the 100’s of 000’s USD$.
Read this from BBC before bbc became quite so awful.
No western government would own that they had paid a ransom, the abductees would be released ‘outta the blue’
One of those abducted was a good friend of my close family member, he was under no illusion both from the way that the abduction occured & what he overheard whilst being held, that the zionists had masterminded the exercise using the same family/clan which zionists had been using to operate tunnels from the entity into Gaza to run in supplies that got sold as long as zionists got the lion’s share of the arrangement.
Naturally Palestinian co-conspirators are also required to reveal information about ‘who is up who and who is paying the rent’ in Gaza as well, so that the zionist agents could justify their actions should there be any inquiry about them.
We can expect all types of similar crooked dealings if the ceasefire holds for more than a coupla days.
Hamas police have arrested some of the Gazain crooks by wearing mufti (anything else being suicidal as drones etc from the entity hone in on them) and quickly shooting out the crims before their zionist protection can come in & assist the crims getaway.
Obviously the zionists will develop counters such as insisting all the administrative infrastructure remaining in Gaza is handed over to Palestinians operating as agents of zionism.
The entity is currently demanding that an organisation even more corrupt than the Palestinian Authority take over administration, tho that may be an ambit claim and the entity without borders or limits, will eventually, seemingly reluctantly agree to the P.A. doing to Gaza what it has done to the West Bank.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 19 2025 1:58 utc | 156

https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1880723686426374466
Mohamad Safa @mhdksafa
Palestine is the most well-documented genocide in history, yet the most denied.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/37921
ResistanceTrench
⚡A spokesman for the Palestinian Authority told Sputnik News Agency:
“No group (even Hamas) other than the Palestinian Authority has the right to rule over the Gaza Strip.”
Jamal Nazzal added: No country or group can participate in the administration of a province or region.
Before him, Mahmoud Abbas had also said in a statement that the PA had prepared administrative and security teams to manage Gaza and that only these organizations had the right to govern Gaza.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/37926
ResistanceTrench
⚡According to Hebrew sources, Israel’s Finance Minister Smotrich has decided to remain in the cabinet after reaching an agreement with Netanyahu.
Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir will resign tomorrow because he sees the ceasefire agreement as a great defeat for Israel.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 2:01 utc | 157

Just a ps about translating the first link from arabic. I don’t know whether google is any good at this because I use a Yandex browser that has been excellent in seamlessly translating from Arabic & Cyrillic scripts.
You can find Yandex at https://browser.yandex.com/

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 19 2025 2:02 utc | 158

Netanyahu: Trump to Allow Israel to Resume War with ‘Tremendous Force’
https://x.com/mtracey/status/1880683156766110044
“Netanyahu says Trump ’emphasized’ to him that the ceasefire is ‘temporary,’ and Israel will have ‘full backing’ to resume the war with ‘tremendous force’.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 2:24 utc | 159

Canada is Working to Further Subordinate Lebanon to US & Israeli Dictates
https://x.com/EnglerYves/status/1880681985003151632
“And it’s been doing so for some time…After Israel killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and dozens of others by dropping dozens of 2000-pound bombs in a suburb of Beirut, Justin Trudeau celebrated it…
Canada’s assistance to the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) is a way to help Israel and the US.
In announcing a $100 million new assistance package Tuesday, the US State Department explained, ‘US support to the LAF reinforces the LAF as an important institutional counterweight to Hezbollah…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 2:58 utc | 160

the Western World is ruled by sociopaths, merciless sadists, barbarians and war-mongering old fools.
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1880520184894796012
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
Here’s Tony Blinken on October 31, 2023 reciting a completely false and fully debunked story of Hamas atrocities to push back on calls for a ceasefire
Blinken & Biden extended the genocidal war for as long as they could when a deal was always within reach.
https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1880417307924586506
Afshin Rattansi @afshinrattansi
Qatar’s🇶🇦 PM: “This framework that we signed two days ago, is the same framework that we agreed on in December 2023, which is basically 13 months of a waste of negotiating details that wasn’t worth any single life that we lost in Gaza”
Biden, Blinken, and Harris allowed a horrific genocide to happen which included mass infanticide for over 15 months, only for the exact same deal framework on the table in December 2023 to be signed in January 2025. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian lives lost over bloodthirsty politics.
History will never forgive them.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 3:44 utc | 161

YogiTheYankeeBear 101
” The Hamas who attacked Israel oct 7 should also face justice. ”
This statement confirms that US justice consists of a carefully manufactured Web of lies which Americans swallow hook, line and sinker, like their fast food Burgers.
Hamas on Oct 7 was fully entitled by International Law to resist the Occupying Power. They certainly don’t need to face any kind of a USUKIS manufactured Justice.
Cynicism about the outcome of Trump’s arrival as Potus would have been appropriate before the election. There were other candidates to vote for, but cynicism after voting for more genocide is like trying to make a Burger more healthy by adding a leaf of lettuce.
International Law exists. It is upheld by Russia, and it applies to all nations equally. Might didn’t make right. USUKIS having the capability to individually strike every opponent of Zionist apartheid doesn’t make it right.
Declarations by Israel of Palestinian citizens being combatants does not make them combatants.
Declarations by USUKIS of ceasefires which they themselves refuse to comply with, WILL ONE DAY be be presented as evidence of USUKIS criminality in an International Court of Law.
Playboy Trump had better play cards his cards right. He might be able to buy off prostitutes, but he won’t be able to buy off Allah.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 3:53 utc | 162

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJvG_y4pxyY
🚨Ceasefire Start Time AMENDED | Netanyahu’s FIRST STATEMENT Since The Agreement | Live +
Mahmood OD
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-among-the-worst-deals-israel-has-made—israeli-media-slam
‘Among the worst deals Israel has made’: Israeli media slam Gaza deal
Israeli media is discussing how the ceasefire and captive agreements in Gaza are a win for Hamas and a major loss for “Israel”.
….According to Micha Kobi, a former official in the Israeli Shin Bet security agency, “The deal that was agreed on is far from ideal for Israel; it is among the worst deals it has ever made in its history.”
However, Kobi stressed that this was the only choice “Israel” had….
….On the other hand, the agreement is considered a significant achievement for Hamas, which sees itself victorious because “it managed to recruit more fighters despite the attacks, held firm on its demands, and did not compromise,” Kobi said…..
https://www.jfeed.com/opinions/sq57c5
After the hostage deal, Hamas – not Benjamin Netanyahu – has achieved total victory
Netanyahu promised 11 months ago that “we are within touching distance of victory” and two months later spoke of being “one step away from victory.” But in reality, after the agreement – Hamas is the victor.
….But from what’s currently published, and according to a political source’s briefing yesterday, Israel’s agreement to release thousands of terrorists, including hundreds of convicted murderers with blood on their hands, withdraw from the Netzarim corridor, and increase food truck entry into Gaza in exchange for only about thirty hostages – the situation looks bad.
Israel’s war goals when the war broke out were to dismantle Hamas’s military wing, collapse Hamas’s government, and return the hostages. A year and three months after going to war, none of these goals have been achieved…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 4:10 utc | 163

Michaelj72 158
“” Palestine is the most well-documented genocide in history, yet the most denied. “”
The German Nazis were meticulous record-keepers because they were spiritually and morally convinced of the rightness of their genocidal cause and they wanted to record how they had achieved their success, until they didn’t.
The metadata Age will record everything. I was reading recently that there is now a law in Britain compelling every owner of an Electric Vehicle Charger to instantaneously provide data by Internet of their electrical energy consumption.
The purpose of this piece of Fascism, like the purpose of Facial Recognition Facism , is totally innocuous, safety for the consumer. Otherwise their main fuse might get blown, or they might get blown up by terrorists in a shopping centre.
But what has been blown out of the water by these Nazis who run USUKIS is the idea that their obsessive storage of metadata is innocuous. All of the genocide was conducted by algorithms using USUKIS Metadata, on the GPS location of innocent Palestinians.
Two can play at that game in a court of Law.
Do not go gentle into that dark night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 4:22 utc | 164

michaelj72 164
Zionist Jews. Ever the victims card.
Why isn’t the world bored to death by Jews always being the victims?

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 4:28 utc | 165

266
HTS, political Islam, has as always declared that they support the victim card Zionist Jews over the Muslims.
That’s all you need to know about HTS.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 4:36 utc | 166

@librul,
Re: the Reuters image of plump Palestinians – never underestimate the power of techo tinkering with photos. It could be done decades ago and now even more easily. A picture used to be worth a thousand words but not anymore. Anything is possible in pixel world.
If indeed they are even Palestinians. Take a photo of people and superimpose it on a background and propaganda is your uncle.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 167

I know in the convoluted mind of Brainwashed Americans and their Atlantacist poodles in Europe, Russia always supports Israeli interests.
Garbage in , methane out.
Putin declared that he has to defeat the Zionist Nazis in Tel Aviv before he can defeat the Zionist Nazis in Kiev.
That’s why Israel has destroyed Russian weaponry in Tartus.
The maniac Zionist Potus Donald Trump complicates that mission because unlike Biden’s reliance on trusted Zionist, Ukrainian NeoCons, Trump sometimes believes his own bullshit and thinks he is Che Guevara fighting the US deep state.
Trump would do well to remember that Oreshnik technology could now be delivered to Israel or Kiev by special delivery , should Trump decide to stir up mischief in West Asia or Ukraine.
A Clint bullet, not an amateur one.
Pan pipe music. The End.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 168

Anyone who does not think Israelis are psychopathically sick and sadistically cruel only has to ponder this demand from them:
“to refrain from any display of joy.”
Who the fuck do they think they are? Oh, sorry, the chosen people, the superior humans, those who can do no wrong. What a bunch of sicko savages. If Muslims did this or demanded this imagine the outrage.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 5:13 utc | 169

I would like to share this comment by Lucas Leiroz from his article at SCF.
“It is important to emphasize that war is a political phenomenon, not a military one. Military operations are merely some of the means through which a war occurs, but they are not the central point of a conflict. In fact, war is an extreme political mechanism, where two or more political entities confront each other using violence as a legitimate weapon.
Being a political event, the winner in a war is the side that achieves its political objectives, regardless of the military situation. In this sense, it is possible to lose all military battles but still win politically in the end. Something similar happened, for example, in Vietnam and Afghanistan. In both cases, the U.S. devastated the enemy countries, massacring the local populations through inhumane acts of violence. However, both in Vietnam, in 1973, and in Afghanistan, in 2021, Washington was defeated at the end of the war, leaving the battlefield without achieving its political objectives.”

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 19 2025 5:22 utc | 170

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 169
The reason i dont think Trump is evil is his kids. You can understand Biden through Hunter. Trumps kids, are the kids of a good family. There must be something in the Koran about this.

Posted by: Deniz 152 | Jan 19 2025 5:48 utc | 171

David Hearst of Middle East Eye, makes some good points here and the most critical one is the number of young American Jews who are on the side of the Palestinians and their Resistance forces, including Hamas.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/gaza-ceasefire-after-15-months-brutality-israel-has-failed-every-front
The world has changed and the Israelis, locked in their psycho bubble of delusion and brainwashing, were incapable of reading the room.
Israel was founded as a cult and has functioned as a cult and they generally destroy themselves because for a cult to survive initially, everyone must drink the KoolAid, even as metaphor, until the cult is no more.
The entire concept of an Israel for followers of Judaism was always deranged, unjust, unsustainable, backward and stupid. They got away with it for a long time because they have been aided and abetted by others, sustained by their control of mainstream media and their treasonous influence in too many corridors of power.
But, technology and new generations have put paid to the past and their machinations and Zionist Israel is bleeding out in the ways that matter. They may not be literally bleeding as the Palestinians are but the blood of Palestine sustains and enriches and the blood leaching from Israel just drains what is one of the most evil and sadistic military colonial occupations in history.
Good riddance to bad rubbish and full marks to the courage, integrity,resilience and nobility of spirit of the Palestinian people.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 6:18 utc | 172

ZH has a posting up with the title
Netanyahu Says Trump “Emphasized” To Him That The Gaza Ceasefire Is “Temporary”
quote

Among Netanyahu’s most provocative words on Saturday was his claim that he has the support of President-elect Trump in the scenario Israel feels it must abandon the ceasefire and keep fighting. He says he has Trump’s full backing to resume the war, and has claimed further that Trump too agreed that the truce is just “temporary”.

Any bets on how temporary, if it happens, the ceasefire is?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 19 2025 6:43 utc | 173

– David Hearst (Middle East Eye) in a video:
“Gaza ceasefire: After 15 months of brutality, Israel has failed on every front” (????????????????????????????????????)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGTvdQbRWI (length: 10 minutes)
(Personally, I know Hearst is an intelligent person, but I have a hard time believing the view that Israel lost on every front)

Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 7:13 utc | 174

– Neutrality Studies: “The Cease-Fire Is NOT Designed For Peace. More War Is Certain”
Description of the video (italics):
“While the media is portraying the cease-fire deal between Hama and Isreal as a great breakthrough and seems more concerned with who brokered it, Biden or Trump, the real story is a much darker one. Not only are the chances for the cease-fire to bring “peace” to the devastated Gaza Strip extremely slim, it also heralds in a new phase in Israel’s quest to burn its entire neighborhood as it frees up capacities that can now be directed against Iran. However, the US might be abusing its attack dog in West Asia for the last time to fight a strategic rival it cannot win against. Once this war goes the way all US foreign adventures go, Tel-Aviv might learn the hard way that it is not at all the master in the relationship but an expendable tool of great power politics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LXNzgo9Ek (length: 29 minutes).

Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 7:36 utc | 175

SeanS
Are you a follower of Voltairenet?
Trouble with Voltairenet is that it mistakes the end of religion for a new
dawn . It’s dusk for humanity, not dawn.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 7:41 utc | 176

– For a long time I thought Netanyahu never have to face consequences of his multiple cases of corruption. But I think that Netanyahu could be in prison sooner than many people think. I think that the moment Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich want to get rid of Netanyahu then they simply have to instruct the israeli judiciary to arrest Netanyahu and to be sent to prison.

Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 8:18 utc | 177

– David Hearst (Middle East Eye):
Israel wants to build a wall on the border with Jordan because more and more people are crossing the Israeli-Jordanian border.
Jordan itself is domestically also getting under more and more pressure. tensions are rising
Hearst explains why a conflict with Jordan and in Jorden and the “interaction” with all the players Israel and the US is very dangerous for Jordan.
Hearst details what the REAL problems are for Jordan, in spite of the fact that the jordanians deny everything. The video is already some 4 months old but still very good description of the current situation.
VERY sightfull video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzYAVWIDwGI
Length: 9 minutes

Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 8:28 utc | 178

Drop Site
@DropSiteNews
🚨 NEWS: The Israeli government has rejected including Marwan Barghouti and Ahmad Saadat in phase one of the Palestinian prisoner release deal, even in exchange for advancing the release of male Israeli soldiers—the most valuable captives held by Hamas.
Sources close to the negotiations confirmed this to Drop Site. UK-based Al-Araby Al-Jadeed also reported that Israel vetoed their names.
Marwan Barghouti is widely regarded as Palestine’s most influential political leader and a likely winner in any democratic election. Ahmad Saadat is the Secretary-General of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1880520123083022497

Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:16 utc | 179

Mehdi Hasan
@mehdirhasan
Who is Marwan Barghouti? Why is he considered the most popular and credible Palestinian leader of all? Was Israel right to imprison him?
My deep-dive for Zeteo into the man who has been called the ‘Palestinian Mandela’ – and who poses a threat to both Netanyahu *and* Abbas.
https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1880364300679713002

Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:16 utc | 180

Dyab Abou Jahjah
@Aboujahjah
When Amy Goodman asked me what I thought about the comparison between the #HindRajabFoundation and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, here’s what I had to say:
(PS: I am referring to the time when the SWC actively hunted war criminals, not its current state, where it became an israeli propaganda tool covering for war criminals)
https://x.com/Aboujahjah/status/1880417625177502199

Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:17 utc | 181

Peter Cronau
@PeterCronau
In one sentence… 👇
Greg Barns SC
@BarnsGreg
·
Jan 18
#Antisemitism is appalling but it is being exaggerated in Australia by the #Zionist lobby to ensure support for #Israel by politicians and the media
https://x.com/PeterCronau/status/1880839969591447960

Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:19 utc | 182

Hamas Names 3 Israeli Captives To Be Freed Under Ceasefire Deal [Updating]
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/1/19/live-countdown-to-ceasefire-in-gaza-as-israel-continues-attacks
“The truce was to begin at 08:30 am local time but the Israeli army has continued carrying out attacks across Gaza…”
Al Jazeera Live
https://www.aljazeera.com/live
“Gaza ceasefire begins.”
Palestinian Security Forces Have Been Seen Deploying Across Gaza’s Streets
https://x.com/PalestineChron/status/1880886861713096847
“AJ reporter.”
‘Trump Will Make Biden Look Like A Kindly Grandpa’
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1880892261057397071
“Shut up! Trump imposed on ‘Israel’ the ceasefire agreement that Genocide Joe Biden refused to impose for 15 months. Whatever comes next, start with that reality and stop trying to gaslight us that the Holocaust Democrats are anything than what they are.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 9:34 utc | 183

Far-Right Israeli Minister Ben-Gvir Quits over Ceasefire Deal
January 19, 2025 News
Israeli Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir resigns, expressing strong opposition to the ceasefire agreement.
Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and ministers from his far-right Jewish Power party resigned from the government on Sunday, expressing strong opposition to the ceasefire agreement with Hamas in Gaza.
The truce, brokered by international mediators, was supposed to take effect at 8:30 Palestine time, marking the start of a phased agreement spanning three stages, each lasting 42 days.
Israel, however, has already violated the agreement, conducting airstrikes across the Strip and killing at least 10 Palestinians.
Ben-Gvir had previously voted against the agreement during a cabinet meeting on Friday, where he warned of his potential resignation.
In a video statement, he described feeling “terrified” after learning the details of the deal, which includes the release of Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences to Jerusalem and the West Bank.
He called on ministers from the Likud and Religious Zionism parties to reject the agreement and reportedly tried to persuade Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to resign alongside him.
While Smotrich opposed the deal in government votes, he ultimately chose to remain in his position.
The agreement between Hamas and Israel aims to bring an end to Israel’s genocide on Gaza and initiate prisoner exchanges.
However, it has sparked significant dissent within Israel’s far-right political factions, reflecting the deep divisions over the ceasefire and its broader implications.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/far-right-israeli-minister-ben-gvir-quits-over-ceasefire-deal/

Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:35 utc | 184

(Personally, I know Hearst is an intelligent person, but I have a hard time believing the view that Israel lost on every front)
Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 7:13 utc | 174
What Hearst said is that Israel has failed to reach any of its stated objectives; not the same as having “lost”. The claimed “victories” are ephemeral; the fact that Israeli troops are wandering about unopposed in southern Syria doesn’t mean they’re going to stay there. As soon as some local resistance does generate, they’re going to have to pull back. The Golan Heights ceasefire line from 67 is defensible, where they are now isn’t.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 19 2025 9:43 utc | 185

Stand by for the flood of disgusting tweets and press releases from the collaborationist political class supporting USrael’s genocide, defamed and suppressed its protests, and now claim to be for ‘peace’.
Do not permit them to win in ‘peace’ what they failed to achieve by war. End their Occupation.
Remember the names and detes of all accomplices. There will and must be accountability for their awful complicity in mass murder, war crimes and genocide.
Long live Palestine, its resistance and its victory! From the River to the Sea Palestine Will Be Free!

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 9:55 utc | 186

psychohistorian 173
The day of the truce in Lebanon was the day of the conquest ofSyria by USUKIS proxy headchoppers. The fear generated by their previous unIslamic behaviour is a terrible foundation for Syria’s future. USUKIS will IMHO soon destroy HTS for Greater Israel.
In answer to your question, Jews always lie. Ben Gvir should , probably will get an Oscar for hamming. The US will launch another attack , maybe on another country, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen?
Trump is an arsehole. I don’t believe Israel will keep this truce for one day.
Something is brewing .maybe the forced removal of the Palestinians to Jordan, Egypt or Lebanon?

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 10:02 utc | 187

Zionazi Smotrich on the Ceasefire
https://x.com/timand2037/status/1880840772064844051
“We will erase the smiles from the Palestinians and the screaming will continue.”
What now to do about our ‘representatives’ that support USrael?

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 10:08 utc | 188

John Gilberts 188
Is he using the Royal we, the Divine We, or is it just Zelensky flavour wee wee.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 11:26 utc | 189

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 168

…Putin declared that he has to defeat the Zionist Nazis in Tel Aviv before he can defeat the Zionist Nazis in Kiev.
That’s why Israel has destroyed Russian weaponry in Tartus…

Do you have a reference for that declaration?

Posted by: robin | Jan 19 2025 11:50 utc | 190

Gyane wins ‘The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today” with this nonsense:
“Playboy Trump had better play cards his cards right. He might be able to buy off prostitutes, but he won’t be able to buy off Allah.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 3:53 utc | 162
I must admit it was a difficult choice as Giyane is prolific and there was a plethora of candidates in his posts.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 19 2025 12:07 utc | 191

Netanyahu 2024: This is the year of absolute victory, and it will be a happy year for the Jewish people.
(from my notes)
Netanyahu and the Minister of War months ago:
“Hamas will not exist in Gaza.”
🇵🇸 — Hamas: With the ceasefire in effect, we reaffirm our commitment to implementing the terms of the agreement, which is the fruit of the resilience and patience of our great people, and the legendary steadfastness of our valiant resistance against the Zionist machine of terrorism and murder.
Our heroic prisoners are set to meet freedom starting today, which is our steadfast promise to them always, until they break the chains of the prison guard and breathe in freedom in the skies of Palestine.
We continue the process of delivering aid and providing relief to our people with everything necessary, and we reaffirm our efforts to provide all the required support and assistance to restore normalcy to life in the Gaza Strip.
From:https://tgstat.com/channel/@TheSimurgh313

Posted by: JB | Jan 19 2025 13:02 utc | 192

This life-saving ceasefire is not the end of conflict for the realisation of the right of the Palestinian people to the entirety of its land, historic Palestine; the right of the Palestinian people to freedom from colonial oppression and to self-determination.
There will be war in Palestine and west Asia as long as Zionist Israel exists, and until it is dissolved.
While a peaceful solution to the century-old the Palestine question is possible, it is only theoretical in the current balance of power and a world order based on domination and the prevalence of the capitalist system rooted in relentless exploitation of man and the Earth.
The struggle for Palestine continues until there are no more refugee camps for Palestinians anywhere, until the Palestinians can reclaim their land, stolen properties and their full freedom from foreign interference so that this capable people can live with dignity according to their wishes, dreams and vision.
And to all those who keep going on about how Israel needed this pause to prepare for the next aggression –
they seem to ignore the hard fact that the Palestinian resistance, and the Resistance Front, exist, have not been weakened and that they, too, will use the absence of genocide, to grow stronger and wiser to the treachery and scheming against them.
The fight is not over, but the outcome is certain, however long it takes. Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea.

Posted by: JB | Jan 19 2025 13:29 utc | 193

It is important to be precise with language. This is not a peace deal. It is a temporary cease fire. And it sounds like it’s already falling apart.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 19 2025 13:44 utc | 194

to be precise with language.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 19 2025 13:44 utc | 194

To be precise with language it is a pause to reload.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 19 2025 13:51 utc | 195

(Personally, I know Hearst is an intelligent person, but I have a hard time believing the view that Israel lost on every front)
Name one front where Israel won?

Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 21:59 utc | 196

Where Israel lost:
World opinion and support – it is a pariah State.
Support of Jews – a third of young American Jews support the Palestinians including Hamas.
Support of Americans – more than half young Americans want Israel dismantled.
Global support – most people are on the side of the Palestinians even if their Governments are being run by Zionist, Israeli, Jewish infiltraitors. (spelling intended)
Financially – foreign investors are walking away from the State of Hate because too much blood and murdered children is a bad corporate look. International companies connected with Israel are being punished by the public for their genocidal involvement, i.e. Starbucks.
Economically -the Israeli economy is in tatters.
Socially – millions of Israeli colonists have left and more are packing.
Militarily – Israel failed to defeat Hamas and Hezbollah and to achieve its stated goals in Occupied Palestine and Lebanon.
And its soldiers have demonstrated to the world that they are sadistic sickos, with videos and statements demonstrating their childish and bestial savagery.
The Israeli occupation forces are exhausted and have spread themselves too thin in a deranged policy of taking more and more land which it does not have the boots on the ground to hold or secure.
Nationally – the society is being torn apart.
Politically – the lunatics are running the show and that means no credibility internally or internationally.
Globally – Naziyahoo and Gallant are charged with war crimes and Israeli soldiers are being pursued in countries around the world to be arrested for genocide.
Religiously – more and more orthodox are campaigning for Palestine and more and more Jews are realising that Israel is not just the most dangerous place any Jew could be, but that the State of Hate taints them and their religion and threatens their safety.
SO JUST WHERE DID ISRAEL WIN?

Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:10 utc | 197

(Personally, I know Hearst is an intelligent person, but I have a hard time believing the view that Israel lost on every front)
So, how did Israel win?
They did not destroy Hamas.
They do not control Gaza.
They do not hold Lebanon up to the Litani River.
They did not destroy Hezbollah.
They are an international pariah hated around the globe.
A third of young American Jews support the Palestinians including Hamas.
More than half young Americans want Palestine free.
Billions want Israel dismantled.
The Israeli economy is in tatters.
Millions of Israeli colonists have gone back to where they came from.
International investors are rejecting the State of Hate and its blood-drenched image.
Boycotts and sanctions are increasing.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:12 utc | 198

@JB,
Good posts. What I can never get my head around is how, anyone for any reason can think that the Israelis have the right to occupy all of Palestine and not just to deny the native people justice, freedom and human and civil rights, but to treat them with sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery.
How can anyone even attempt to defend such injustice? But they do. And the USA, supposedly the defender of freedom, supports, promotes, funds and enables such injustice.
Even if you believe the God bullshit about Palestine being handed over to Jews, NOTHING can defend the atrocities committed by the Zionists, Israelis and Jews in their foundation and their function over 76 years.
Which is where the door closes in the mind because to believe in Israel REQUIRES the extermination of the Palestinians as Muslims and Christians who make a Jewish ethnostate impossible.
And the hypocrites wonder how Nazism happened and why the Germans allowed it to happen. Study Israel for that answer and find a mirror.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:44 utc | 199

rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:10 utc | 197
*** SO JUST WHERE DID ISRAEL WIN? ***
Their agencies own — or at least control — “Western” mass-media.
Which will spin the longer-term narrative.
Guess who will draft it…
With which most ‘academics’ will comply.
And they own the governments and establishment politicians too … have for instance Starmer, Baerbock and Macron not already made it very clear that they really couldn’t care less what the public in their own countries thinks or wants?
And that’s before taking laws and legal systems into account.

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 20 2025 0:30 utc | 200