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January 16, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-012
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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• Israel’s security cabinet approved the Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal on Friday. The wider cabinet will convene for a vote on the deal later today. Posted by: teri | Jan 17 2025 19:19 utc | 101 What Changed?: Mouin Rabbani and the Ceasefire Agreement Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 17 2025 19:38 utc | 102 It seems to have finally dawned on the Genocidal Democrats that their party is headed towards oblivion. Posted by: Deniz 152 | Jan 17 2025 19:53 utc | 103 Linda Mamoun Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:14 utc | 104 Dr Andreas Krieg Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:14 utc | 105 Diana Buttu Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:15 utc | 106 jeremy scahill Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:18 utc | 107 asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:18 utc | 108 Larry C Johnson Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 17 2025 20:19 utc | 109 Brett Murphy Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:20 utc | 110 Afshin Rattansi Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:21 utc | 111 Decensored News Posted by: Menz | Jan 17 2025 20:22 utc | 112 @ John Gilberts | Jan 17 2025 20:19 utc | 110 about the half-life of the potential ceasefire. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 17 2025 20:28 utc | 113 a pertinent and invaluable history lesson from Chris Hedges Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 17 2025 22:15 utc | 114 Colonel Cassad reports on the “comprehensive” security treaty between Russia and Iran. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jan 17 2025 22:41 utc | 115 “It is not fair and just that your departure should be silent and cold, you in particular, Ahmed Al-Shawa, it is right that the news of your martyrdom should be loud and resounding as much as the spirit and life in which you faced death and annihilation, singing, dancing, jumping, treading, flying in the sky like a flame defeating the wind: “We want to rejoice, we want to live.. We want the whole world to see” .. Does the maker of joy die with such silence and sadness! Is the bearer of joy buried on his heavy shoulders from Gaza to Shuja’iyya, and from Jabalia to Beit Hanoun, with all this silence! Posted by: Ornot | Jan 17 2025 23:13 utc | 116 It seems to have finally dawned on the Genocidal Democrats that their party is headed towards oblivion. Posted by: malenkov | Jan 18 2025 0:23 utc | 117 “The Israeli Security Cabinet would need to vote to accept the terms of the ceasefire, and then a second vote would go before Israel’s parliament, the Knesset. If passed by both groups, there would also be time for appeals against the deal to be brought to the nation’s Supreme Court.” The Hill Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 0:29 utc | 118 see the illustration of Gaza at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 18 2025 4:05 utc | 119 Lebanese Singer Julia Boutros Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 18 2025 6:15 utc | 120 He’s Neither a Hero on the Left, Nor on the Right Israel is Refusing to Release Key Political Prisoners in Ceasefire Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 8:51 utc | 122 How did the U.S. let Israel get away with widespread horrors in Gaza? 1/ Posted by: Mary | Jan 18 2025 9:36 utc | 123 Colonel Cassad reports on the “comprehensive” security treaty between Russia and Iran. Posted by: rk | Jan 18 2025 11:53 utc | 124 What Haiphong doesnt get is that 1) there was an agreement as said by ppl of the gov on the day Asad relinquished power (not willing to fight to the late Syrian for his brother and uncle’s sake); 2) some of the rebels are Syrians and no one wanted to welcome them as new citizens or new djihadists anywhere. Vision 2030 was entirely MB free. Huge infrastructures being built as we speak in ksa and egypt but they probably focused on jobs for their own ppl and maybe some Palestinians. This is when Qatar and Sinwar decided to break in. Posted by: Tom | Jan 18 2025 11:58 utc | 125 Full vote of Knenneset has taken place and the “ceasefire” deal will be implemented on Sunday morning at 8:30 Gaza time: Posted by: teri | Jan 18 2025 13:37 utc | 126 Oops, I meant “Knesset”, not whatever that word is that I put in the above @ 127. Posted by: teri | Jan 18 2025 13:39 utc | 127 When is Bibi’s birthday? Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2025 14:45 utc | 128 notice how those photos of the Israeli “hostages” are all fully in the IDF conscript or weekend warrior age group ? Posted by: Exile | Jan 18 2025 15:24 utc | 129
@Exile
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule96 Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 16:15 utc | 130 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-neY5sVD528 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 18 2025 16:17 utc | 131 To be clear: enemy soldiers can be held captive during a conflict, but they must not be held in an attempt to satisfy the objectives described in the New York Convention:
Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 16:35 utc | 132 More Worrying Developments At ICJ Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 18 2025 16:38 utc | 133 Been monitoring the main “Israeli” mockingbirds.
https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/01/17/the-dramatic-operations-israel-coordinated-with-the-us-and-those-it-didnt/ Posted by: librul | Jan 18 2025 16:51 utc | 134 US officials Hochstein (US Special Envoy to Lebanon) and Maj. Gen. Jeffers (Chairman Lebanon Ceasefire Oversight) reiterate the “guarantee” of full Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon by the ceasefire deadline less than ten days away. Posted by: jayc | Jan 18 2025 18:13 utc | 135 Remarkable that the genociders interpret Jus In Bello in the most imaginative ways possible. ( aka outlright lies ) Posted by: Exile | Jan 18 2025 18:38 utc | 136 Hadn’t I foreseen that some idiot would come and reproach me for the current state of international law? Well, that’s that. Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 19:32 utc | 137 My theory is that likely that the full Knesset didn’t have to vote because there is a state of war, and there is some clause somewhere that during a state of war, the war cabinet can approve a cease-fire. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 18 2025 19:32 utc | 138 @ teri Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 19:56 utc | 139 Roundup: Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 20:19 utc | 140 120 – I knew a Lebanese named Mohamed Safa, meeting him at a couple of conferences. I couldn’t get into the x (blocked in the UK?) so I could not confirm that it is the same one. Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 18 2025 20:31 utc | 141 Four days ago I had posted:
You can add one more to the hundreds or thousands of Victimhood movies.
Posted by: librul | Jan 18 2025 20:52 utc | 142 Headline: Netanyahu Says Trump “Emphasized” To Him That The Gaza Ceasefire Is “Temporary”
Posted by: librul | Jan 18 2025 20:59 utc | 143 Brett Murphy Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:33 utc | 144 Ryan Rozbiani Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:34 utc | 145 Kushner’s Saudi-backed fund doubles stake in firm financing illegal West Bank settlements Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:37 utc | 146 sarah Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:38 utc | 147 sarah Posted by: Menz | Jan 18 2025 21:39 utc | 148 @Ornot | Jan 18 2025 20:19 utc | 141
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-the-hostage-ceasefire-agreement-reached-between-israel-and-hamas/ Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 21:56 utc | 149 Nota bene: the “47 Shalit prisoners” are the prisoners of the 2011 Gilad Shalit exchange that were re-detained. Posted by: Leuk | Jan 18 2025 22:21 utc | 150 @150 Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 23:26 utc | 151 An off the cuff on related in the region: Posted by: Ornot | Jan 18 2025 23:59 utc | 152 Legal petition for the arrest of an “Israeli” in Spain: Posted by: Ornot | Jan 19 2025 0:22 utc | 153 there is plenty of complicity to go around for this genocide and ethnic cleansing by the sociopathic barbarians that run the israeli government, isn’t there? Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 0:54 utc | 154 see the 2:12 video clip at the second link Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 1:17 utc | 155 For me the most important part of the peace deal is that as well as promising to stop murdering Palestinians directly the zionist entity has undertaken to allow hundreds trucks full of food plus other much needed essentials into Gaza, including the North. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 19 2025 1:58 utc | 156 https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1880723686426374466 Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 2:01 utc | 157 Just a ps about translating the first link from arabic. I don’t know whether google is any good at this because I use a Yandex browser that has been excellent in seamlessly translating from Arabic & Cyrillic scripts. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 19 2025 2:02 utc | 158 Netanyahu: Trump to Allow Israel to Resume War with ‘Tremendous Force’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 2:24 utc | 159 Canada is Working to Further Subordinate Lebanon to US & Israeli Dictates Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 2:58 utc | 160 the Western World is ruled by sociopaths, merciless sadists, barbarians and war-mongering old fools. Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 3:44 utc | 161 YogiTheYankeeBear 101 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 3:53 utc | 162 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJvG_y4pxyY Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2025 4:10 utc | 163 Michaelj72 158 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 4:22 utc | 164 michaelj72 164 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 4:28 utc | 165 266 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 4:36 utc | 166 @librul, Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 167 I know in the convoluted mind of Brainwashed Americans and their Atlantacist poodles in Europe, Russia always supports Israeli interests. Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 168 Anyone who does not think Israelis are psychopathically sick and sadistically cruel only has to ponder this demand from them: Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 5:13 utc | 169 I would like to share this comment by Lucas Leiroz from his article at SCF. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 19 2025 5:22 utc | 170 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 169 Posted by: Deniz 152 | Jan 19 2025 5:48 utc | 171 David Hearst of Middle East Eye, makes some good points here and the most critical one is the number of young American Jews who are on the side of the Palestinians and their Resistance forces, including Hamas. Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 6:18 utc | 172 ZH has a posting up with the title
Any bets on how temporary, if it happens, the ceasefire is? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 19 2025 6:43 utc | 173 – David Hearst (Middle East Eye) in a video: Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 7:13 utc | 174 – Neutrality Studies: “The Cease-Fire Is NOT Designed For Peace. More War Is Certain” Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 7:36 utc | 175 SeanS Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 7:41 utc | 176 – For a long time I thought Netanyahu never have to face consequences of his multiple cases of corruption. But I think that Netanyahu could be in prison sooner than many people think. I think that the moment Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich want to get rid of Netanyahu then they simply have to instruct the israeli judiciary to arrest Netanyahu and to be sent to prison. Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 8:18 utc | 177 – David Hearst (Middle East Eye): Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2025 8:28 utc | 178 Drop Site Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:16 utc | 179 Mehdi Hasan Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:16 utc | 180 Dyab Abou Jahjah Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:17 utc | 181 Peter Cronau Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:19 utc | 182 Hamas Names 3 Israeli Captives To Be Freed Under Ceasefire Deal [Updating] Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 9:34 utc | 183 Far-Right Israeli Minister Ben-Gvir Quits over Ceasefire Deal Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2025 9:35 utc | 184 (Personally, I know Hearst is an intelligent person, but I have a hard time believing the view that Israel lost on every front) Posted by: laguerre | Jan 19 2025 9:43 utc | 185 Stand by for the flood of disgusting tweets and press releases from the collaborationist political class supporting USrael’s genocide, defamed and suppressed its protests, and now claim to be for ‘peace’. Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 9:55 utc | 186 psychohistorian 173 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 10:02 utc | 187 Zionazi Smotrich on the Ceasefire Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 19 2025 10:08 utc | 188 John Gilberts 188 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 11:26 utc | 189 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2025 5:10 utc | 168
Do you have a reference for that declaration? Posted by: robin | Jan 19 2025 11:50 utc | 190 Gyane wins ‘The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today” with this nonsense: Netanyahu 2024: This is the year of absolute victory, and it will be a happy year for the Jewish people. Posted by: JB | Jan 19 2025 13:02 utc | 192 This life-saving ceasefire is not the end of conflict for the realisation of the right of the Palestinian people to the entirety of its land, historic Palestine; the right of the Palestinian people to freedom from colonial oppression and to self-determination. Posted by: JB | Jan 19 2025 13:29 utc | 193 It is important to be precise with language. This is not a peace deal. It is a temporary cease fire. And it sounds like it’s already falling apart. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 19 2025 13:44 utc | 194 to be precise with language. Posted by: too scents | Jan 19 2025 13:51 utc | 195 (Personally, I know Hearst is an intelligent person, but I have a hard time believing the view that Israel lost on every front) Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 21:59 utc | 196 Where Israel lost: Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:10 utc | 197 (Personally, I know Hearst is an intelligent person, but I have a hard time believing the view that Israel lost on every front) Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:12 utc | 198 @JB, Posted by: rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:44 utc | 199 rosross | Jan 19 2025 22:10 utc | 197 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 20 2025 0:30 utc | 200 |
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