Palestine Open Thread 2025-003
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Posted by b on January 5, 2025 at 13:19 UTC | Permalink
next page »Israel has succeeded in doing what the Holocaust deniers never could: making the horrific historical event irrelevant because of their brutal behavior. Genocide, ethnic cleansing, pogroms, - even a shameless call for "living space" that Newsweek reported.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 5 2025 13:41 utc | 2
Israel has succeeded in doing what the Holocaust deniers never could
@Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 5 2025 13:41 utc | 2
And "Israel's" supporters have become deniers themselves,
intimidating and silencing anyone that uses the word genocide
to describe "Israel's" actions in Gaza.
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:49 utc | 3
I agree librul but i think the unconscious message massaged in the brains by wasp creationnists was that we should obey the chosen ones coz Abrahamic sects are such a good cash machine.
Posted by: Tom | Jan 5 2025 13:52 utc | 4
@1 librul
I strongly disagree with many of the views in this article. I even more disagree with the philosophical salon in general. It's a place for modern liberals philanthropicals like Slavoj Zizek. Nevertheless the article makes some interesting points, especially in it's early part. The "shoot and weep"-ideology that justifies any cruelty if you feel remorse after the fact. Also the victim-culture that has been fed over so many decades, that jews feel as victims while they holocaust an entire people. To them that is real. We all construct our reality both individually and as social groups, small and big. This is what ideology does to everyone on the planet. There is no escape from ideology, only exchange one for another. In case of the zionists, it has become unhinged and more importantly unopposed.
Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 13:52 utc | 5
What's happening in Palestine is a stain on humanity. I feel ashamed to be a human and at the spineless craven criminality of our so called leaders. I just hope in the future they hang most of the fucks responsible. We are all Palestine, we just don't realize it yet.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 13:52 utc | 6
@Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:49 utc | 3
There is a certain irony to supporters of "Israel" intimidating people into silence over the Gaza Genocide.
Zionists did it before at the price of Jewish lives.
When Zionists were tricking hundreds of thousands onto the trains to Auschwitz
they were attacking, intimidating, those Jews that were speaking up about their
beliefs and suspicions of the trains.
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:57 utc | 7
The "shoot and weep"-ideology that justifies any cruelty if you feel remorse after the fact.
@Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 13:52 utc | 5
That triggered an old memory cell.
I remember reading a comment by an Israeli who said, roughly, "Seventy-five years from now we
will look back and feel shame for what we did to the Palestinians.".
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ps. For awhile now I have thought, "I am hopeful for future generations of Jewish People.
They will curse the memory of this genocidal generation."
But after considering the "shoot and weep"-ideology you spoke of
I do not find that such a hopeful future.
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 14:08 utc | 8
What happens in Palestine is Davos and the Bildeberg telling 99.9 percent of human beings "yes we screwed you and you can't do anything about it because we have guns and the army and you don't".
Covid was already part of the cognitive war we are all experiencing. For the unlucky it is not only cognitive but physical.
Posted by: Tom | Jan 5 2025 14:10 utc | 9
RE: Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:29 utc | 1
“Now that we have all witnessed - are witnessing - a Genocide supported and perpetrated by the very people that worship The Holocaust,
I ask, "what happened?"”
It’s an easy answer if you actually look at historical documents.
There was no “Holocaust”. It was fake BS.
Of course there was a EU war. Of course the UK was in charge of it all. But the rest has been drummed up propagandized puke sputtered out for an entire generation (or 2)…
Zionism label replaced Nazism label. That’s all. It’s the same racist, colonial, capitalist BS.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2025 14:14 utc | 10
Also the victim-culture that has been fed over so many decades, that jews feel as victims while they holocaust an entire people.
@Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 13:52 utc | 5
I think that is an important piece to the puzzle I proposed @1, my top post.
They are stuck in a victim-culture,
never healing the past.
Here is an article that addresses that:
https://poosh.com/what-is-woundology/
BlameYou feel a desire to blame others for how your life has turned out, keeping you negatively attached to the people and pain of your past.
Victimhood
A need to be seen as the victim of the situation (for example in a divorce or separation) and gaining power and attention through identifying with this role.
Betrayal
Not wanting to heal from your hurt (for example, when a loved one has passed away), because it feels like you will forget or betray them by moving forward with your life.
Identity
You have become defined by what happened to you and feel the need to continue to tell people about your story. Not for therapeutic purposes but because you don’t know who you are without it.
Awareness
You have the therapeutic language about your past, but none of this has landed below the neck, and awareness is not healing. As the saying goes, “We have to feel it to heal it,” and true healing involves the body, not just the mind.
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 14:22 utc | 11
What happened to the valid lessons of The Holocaust?
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:29 utc | 1
What happened is - power and the obsession with (total) control always trump any lessons.
Human beings have a good and a bad side. The bad side will prevail when it is able to in those who have the obsession of power and control and possess the means to set the bad side free of any checks or accountability.
Lessons of history, of the past, are never learned. History is considered or treated in western society as the teacher of life, although the phrase is bandied around. Hence,the lessons of history do not have their proper place in education, the family and society.
The genocide in Gaza is just a new example that lessons are not learned, because they can only be learned in differently conceived and organised societies based on truth, knowledge, compassion an solidarity, not exploitation, the market, and profit which require lies and violence in all forms.
Different societies that generate and nurture a different sensibility, a social consciousness and a sense of collective responsibility for community and state actions.
In the western narrow, supremacist, market-driven culture and its way of life, all meaning has been perverted and lost, including the real lessons of the Holocaust. Everything, without exception, has been inverted, twisted, distorted and abused.
The cry - Never again - after the Holocaust means absolutely nothing in reality. Gaza is an extreme horrifying reminder.
So the question is not - what happened, because that should be clear clear.
The question is how do we together, collectively, make the necessary radical changes to societies that value the lessons of history and learn from them.
Posted by: JB | Jan 5 2025 14:27 utc | 12
a different message that the subconscious was hearing?
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:29 utc | 1
The hidden message is simple: "see, we've learned, we will never let it happen again. never!"
And that's what all those manipulated minds are thinking: "look, there's no genocide, because we've learned. we wouldn't let it happen again. never!"
So, it's basically the foundation for: "We are the good guys"
Posted by: Zet | Jan 5 2025 14:30 utc | 13
Oh, and btw, when all is said and done in Ukraine and Russia did kill a million+ Nazis we'll hear the following:
"See, the Russians are still committing genocides, they didn't learn. they were, are and will be the bad guys! forever!"
Posted by: Zet | Jan 5 2025 14:36 utc | 14
It's amazing how this mythical "genocide" could instantly stop if Hamas leadership surrendered and released the hostages. Israel is even offering them thousands of prisoners and safe passage to effect such a deal. A reasonable person could infer that Hamas have a vested interest in perpetuating said "genocide" in a war they can't win militarily. Another fascinating statistic is the fact that there are were more live births in Gaza than deaths in 2024. So either the IDF is remarkably inept at committing "genocide', or something is very fishy in the Port of Gaza. A reasonable person would also infer that if Israel had the INTENTION of committing genocide in Gaza, why on earth would it still be fighting for 14 months with 891 confirmed IDF fatalities. When it could have gone full Dresden style and turned Gaza and everyone inside it to ashes within a few weeks. Without risking it's soldier at all.
Posted by: John Wick | Jan 5 2025 14:38 utc | 15
On "Generational News", after the recent arrest of the Kamal Adwan Hospital medical director, several prominent activists talked about the situation in a webinar on December 29th, 2024. One of the guests was Norman Finkelstein..."
Finkelstein names all the "crooks, careerist, opportunists and Jewish supremacists", including those in the ICJ and the ICI, the UN, etc., naming these perpetrators of "the outright corruption .. by those being bribed or blackmailed by Israel...these people need to be called out" by name.
I think what Norman Finkelstein said recently must remain a central focus for those opposing Israhell genocide of the Palestinians.
Finkelstein says it is "not enough to get just use broad terms like the (so-far failure of) the international political order and the international legal system (to stop the genocide)". There are individuals who are personally, criminally and morally guilty of facilitating the genocide....These people need to be called out; they need to be held accountable....It was not just the inaction of the international political and legal community -- it was the outright corruption in the legal and criminal sense."
Finkelstein names some examples and explains who they are and why they need to undergo accountability. The ones he names fall into 2 groups as I interpret it:
GROUP1-- "Run of the mill crooks and careerist opportunists:" (Finkelstein)
#1. Joan Donoghue, former president of the ICJ, who when she said on a BBC TV program of April 2024, that the ICJ had not found that Israel was plausibly committing genocide, that was a flat-out lie;
#2. ICJ Judge Julia Sebutinde (Uganda) voted against all emergency measures requested by South Africa against Israel over its war on Gaza, the only judge to do so, when the ICJ ordered Israel to prevent death, destruction and any acts of genocide in its military offensive in Gaza, but stopped short of ordering a ceasefire.
South Africa alleged that Israel’s campaign in Gaza amounted to genocide in the case and had asked the court to order Israel to halt the operation.
#3. Pramila Patten Under-Secretary-General of United Nations, appointed as Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict on 12 April 2017. She ran with the Oct. 7 fake rape- of- Israeli -women- by- Palestinian- men -story. "Of the alleged rape that occurred on Nov. 7, there is as of now -- there is ZERO material evidence -- no forensic, no digital, no medical evidence!" (Finkelstein)
Of Patten, like #4 Julie Sabui to come next installment, Finkelstein says, "they're just crooks"... while "some others must have been bribed or blackmailed by Israel."
The remainder of my post was wiped out by whatever program is operating here -- this happens over and again & can't figure why -- I tap at end of line inside box thinking to place the cursor and the entire post evaporates. It happens at the final part of long posts.
It was the last part of list of people Finkelstein names and explains they need to be called out for facilitating genocide. No wherewithal to rewrite this at this hour. I will just list the remaining names:
GROUP1: #4 Julie Sabui, current VP of ICJ; #5 Fatou Bensouda, former chief prosecutor of ICC.
Of those in group I, Finkelstein says, "they're being bribed or blackmailed by Israel, or they're just the most debased, depraved opportunists and careerists."
GROUP II: Jewish supremacists who "hide behind their Jewishness in order to facilitate and abet the genocide "
#'s 1,2, and 3: Bill Ackman, Robert Kraft, Barry Sternlicht, billionaire alumni of Harvard, Columbia $ Harvard, and Havard & Brown U's respectively who "held hostage our premier universities and told them, 'unless you crush the student protests against genocide, we are going to withhold 100s of millions of $$ in alumni donations.'
#4. An outstandingly venal Jewish supremacist Cheryl Sandberg, former COO of META, that "moral monster put out the lying film 'Screams Before Lies'...I've already said ZERO evidence of Oct. 7 rapes by Palestinians...film shown at the Biden WH....Sandberg sees her personal calling and responsibility to defend Israel's right to commit genocide and ...that's exactly what they (the Jewish Supremacists) believe."
The evidence is collected, and Finkelstein has it.
Finkelstein has a new book coming out stemming from significance of difference (with Elijah Magnier posted earlier) of it's a genocide, not a war.
Though it is a logical fallacy, what Zet@13 says seems to be a very real psychological phenomenon. Here in Germany the 'never again' doctrine is an integral part of all public discourse. For years now, public buildings have 'Never again is now!'-banners hanging outside. Of course this 'never again' is not aimed at the zionists, but at the AFD, a neoliberal populist party who claims to end the immigration of cheap labor. Zionism is unconditionally supported, because that is what 'never again' means in the doctrine of our power elite. Supporting 'Israel' means having learned the lesson, no matter what. As long as we do that we are morally good.
Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 14:49 utc | 17
Anyone wondering how the things happened that led to the Holocaust — what on earth possessed the Germans? — can search (because forum software seems to block that particular site) on duckduckgo for "miles w mathis hitler".
Genealogy studies and other thorough research. Covers all the other big nazis too.
Posted by: Jack M | Jan 5 2025 14:59 utc | 18
fyi,
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1875838192726724839
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
A growing international effort to hold Israeli military personnel accountable for war crimes committed during operations in Gaza.
Sri Lanka:
In December 2024, the Hind Rajab Foundation, a Belgium-based human rights organisation, identified an Israeli soldier, Gal Ferenbook, in Colombo, Sri Lanka. Ferenbook was accused of involvement in the death of a Palestinian civilian in Gaza, supported by video evidence he posted online. The Foundation formally requested Sri Lankan authorities to arrest him and cooperate with the International Criminal Court (ICC). Subsequently, Ferenbook reportedly fled Sri Lanka to avoid arrest.
Brazil:
On January 5, 2025, a Brazilian court issued an urgent order for the arrest of an Israeli soldier visiting the country following a criminal complaint filed by a Palestinian human rights organisation accusing him of war crimes in Gaza. The soldier left Brazil shortly after the court's decision and is returning to Tel Aviv.
Implications for Israeli Military Personnel:
These incidents reflect a broader trend where Israeli soldiers, especially those involved in crimes in Gaza, face legal actions abroad. Human rights organisations are actively monitoring and documenting alleged war crimes, utilising social media posts and other evidence to identify suspects who volunteered to brag about their crimes on social media. This has led to legal complaints and arrest warrants in various countries, invoking principles of universal jurisdiction, which allow nations to prosecute individuals for serious crimes like war crimes and crimes against humanity, regardless of where the crimes were committed.
International Criminal Court (ICC):
The ICC has been investigating war crimes in the Palestinian territories. In November 2024, the ICC issued arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, for their responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanity during the Israel–Hamas war.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 5 2025 15:08 utc | 19
Supporting 'Israel' means having learned the lesson, no matter what. As long as we do that we are morally good.
Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 14:49 utc | 17
Exactly, all of this Israel-support, the "never again"-banners etc. are required to save oneself from realizing the disgusting cognitive dissonance they are all feeling deep inside... It cannot be what must not be.
Posted by: Zet | Jan 5 2025 15:12 utc | 20
Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 5 2025 13:41 utc | 2
They have proved that they are higher up in the food chain than mere humans
or "wildlife" like palestinensians.
Pretty terrible outcome.
Any aspiration to equality has been thoroughly destroyed.
Expect feudalism to reign in the (near) future.
Posted by: MAKK | Jan 5 2025 15:24 utc | 21
@11 librul
Those five phenomena are valid and especially the last one is interesting as it increases the level of difficulty of any therapeutic approach. All this is psychology of individuals. It can to a certain extent be transferred to societies. In societies a feedback effect occurs if these phenomena remain untreated over a long period of time and each individual is being exposed to them all of the time from all sides. They become unquestionable in the most fundamental sense of the word. It simply is unconceivable to see the world differently now. There is no more awareness (your point 5) of any of this as it now has become ideology. Any attempt to make you aware will either not be comprehended at all or trigger a pawlowian response to protect you from the threat of nonconformism.
Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 15:26 utc | 22
Here's an optimistic article about the beginning of the end of Zionism.
https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/israels-downward-spiral/
Posted by: Chas | Jan 5 2025 16:20 utc | 23
Though it is a logical fallacy, what Zet@13 says seems to be a very real psychological phenomenon. Here in Germany the 'never again' doctrine is an integral part of all public discourse. For years now, public buildings have 'Never again is now!'-banners hanging outside. Of course this 'never again' is not aimed at the zionists, but at the AFD, a neoliberal populist party who claims to end the immigration of cheap labor. Zionism is unconditionally supported, because that is what 'never again' means in the doctrine of our power elite. Supporting 'Israel' means having learned the lesson, no matter what. As long as we do that we are morally good.
Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 14:49 utc | 17
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Correct, but IMO not the whole story.
The Israel Lobby has its European and especially German division.
The "pro=semitism" power bloc and ideology is pretty much a mirror image, or inversion, of putative anti-semitism. They call a lot of the shots in Germany, although the dynamic is different from the USA one. I think it is likely that George Soros is a connector between top levels of the two lobbies (just got a Medal of Freedom from Biden---WTF?????). From safety in the USA, Soros has constantly and bigly meddled in Europe since he left the Continent as (I think) a teenager. The Hungarians threw out him and his (basically) Open Society propaganda operation masquerading as various nonprofits---probably another reason why the EU has it in for Orban.
This new ideology has been drummed into the minds of all Germans, postwar. In Germany all Jews must be viewed as victims, regardless of what they actually do or have done or think. (The corollary: NO GERMANS can ever be viewed as victims---of Nazism, the war, the postwar famine, the famine after WW1, the bombing of Dresden, the lethal postwar expulsion of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe, no matter how long their families had been there, of or of anything else. They have to go on atoning and sacrificing forever.) Hence, Israelis who have built their lives in Israel on an ongoing and now accelerated genocide are ushered to the head of the line in applying for German passports.
The idea that this postwar "pro-semitism" is actually racism directed at Palestinians never seems to occurs to German "thought leaders."
Which is really something, in light of the fact that logic, and legal logic, was the foundational discipline of the German Enlightenment and later national intellectual revival in the first half of the 19th C., as I am learning from a fascinating new biography (in English) of the Grimm Brothers and their circle and works.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2025 16:52 utc | 24
Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 5 2025 15:26 utc | 22
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Hi, IMO it is jumping the gun to focus on individual psychology until well after one focuses on the results/success of relentless propaganda reinforced by threats, fear, and actual violence.
This goes as much for the German under Nazism as it does for modern-day Germans---and Americans, BTW.
This is IMO the mistake that Martin Desmet makes; as do many of his acolytes, such as Dr. Robert Malone, who deny or ignore (maybe on purpose; maybe not) the power of propaganda reinforced by various levels of violence and negative sanctions (losing one's job; being interned in a reeducation camp; being shot; losing job if jab refused; etc.) to force individuals to make impossible choices in order to survive.
In Germany TPTB do not want anyone questioning this eternal atonement picture, because doing so prioritizes the present and the future over the past and leads to freedom. That is the real reason they hate and seek to destroy the AfD.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2025 17:05 utc | 25
The common factor between Zionists and Nazis is the idea of being the "chosen" people under whom all other races are inferior. This leads to a lack of accountability and no empathy with "the others", for which there are no limits.
Note that part of the Holocaust "rationale" was that the atrocious conditions money-wise of the average German, were blamed on a "target" group" who had more than the "chosen". So their belongings, wealth and themselves had to be extracted from the scene (and blamed). Palestinians of Gaza had about 98% literacy, and were doing incredibly well under the circumstances. They also inhabited a piece of real-estate that is very valuable. (Beach/offshore oil/gas). Same scenario, same reaction. (The "superior" think they have the "right" to anything owned by the non-people.)
So a "chosen" or "superior" race had to have as uniquely theirs everything others possess."Holocausts" or "Genocides" follow jealousy, and a sense of "Entitlement".
****
This may even happen to the "exceptionel" nation, who cannot stand NOT to have everything as their assets.
I should point out that the US (which will be under Trump and the Zionists) is in a financial situation where, ALL possessions of others will be claimed by them. However, this is for survival of the capitalist predator system. Increasing brutality is to be expected during the next few years. There have already been significant indications (Guantanamo, US prison system brutality and then death rate by police) that an "eliminationn of undesirables" hides under the surface.
@Posted by: Tom | Jan 5 2025 14:10 utc | 9
Indeed, and what is happening in Syria is a continuation of that policy, started with the throwing of Irak against the wall, so that we all watch what is to expect if you try to resist the imperialist domination, that your leader will be publicly sacrified in an humiliating way ( this avoided b yAssad by his quietly scape...) and an extremist government will be put in his place...
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Jan 5 2025 17:35 utc | 27
Not a half bad article and reminder that people matter.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/five-years-assassinated-mideast-general-soleimanis-vision
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 17:36 utc | 28
Chas @ 23
[excerpted from linked article}\"Young, well-educated Israelis are fleeing abroad to escape a government power grab in the guise of a proposed judicial “reform” that critics argue would “codify the subjugation of women” and the LGBTQ community. "
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Uh-huh.
Who cares about these people and what they do?
Not me.
Anders gesagt: Who wants them?
I hope they do not come here or Germany.
Unfortunately, the USA and Germany are probably where these people, including all the LGBTQ, are headed.
Let them stay home and fight for justice in their "own" country, Palestine. They say it is their "own" country, right?
Suddenly it's not so good for them, so there they are, on the earliest plane they can catch out of Tel Aviv.
Gag me with a spoon.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2025 17:42 utc | 29
The Genociders‘ defense seems to be …..it’s not a genocide - just mass murder and ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2025 17:59 utc | 30
Stonebird | Jan 5 2025 17:35 utc
Exile | Jan 5 2025 17:59 utc
+100!
Posted by: spudski | Jan 5 2025 18:26 utc | 31
🇾🇪 Yemen’s Palestine-2 Missile Strikes Power Station South of Haifahttps://t.me/European_dissident/64619Yemeni military spokesman Yahya Saree has announced a successful overnight strike using the Palestine-2 ballistic missile, targeting a power station south of Israel’s Haifa. The operation marks a significant escalation, with the strike aimed at critical infrastructure in response to ongoing regional tensions.
❗️When the oppressed find their aim, the myth of invincibility cracks with every missile.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 5 2025 18:48 utc | 32
Posted by: spudski | Jan 5 2025 18:26 utc | 32
(giving high approval to Stonebird:
"The common factor between Zionists and Nazis is the idea of being the "chosen" people under whom all other races are inferior. This leads to a lack of accountability and no empathy with "the others", for which there are no limits.
Could not disagree more.
National Socialism in Germany in early 20th century must be understood on its own terms and in its own context.
The history and context of zionism is almost diametrically different.
For one thing, zionists were primarily Russian-Polish-Lithuanian: Jews who were dissatisfied with their lot in those states and so, with the assistance of the Hebrew Aid Society (HIAS) many fled to safety in Germany, where they continued the agitation they had practiced in their native lands. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA) reported that the German ambassador to US Hans Luther specifically stated that NSDAP had no quarrel with 'those Jews who had been part of Germany for generations,' but rather with those migrants who brought with them subversive ideas and carried out subversive acts.
Another thing: zionism long pre-dated German NSDAP and took extraordinary measures to **protect** German Jews in Germany -- at least, that is what Breitman and Lichtman wrote in the opening pages of FDR AND THE JEWS: even as Louis Brandeis and Rabbi Stephen Wise worked to extract GERMAN Jews from Germany (Palestine needed their wealth & skills); and as Untermeyer pushed the "International Boycott of Germany" intended to "bring Germany to its knees by starvation," NSDAP did not physically harm or imprison Jews.
Israel's actions that the world is witnessing first hand must be analyzed and judged on their own terms and not in comparison to the Germans in WWII: the contexts cannot be more different -- unless, of course, some Barfly can name the occasion when NSDAP voted that raping prisoners was legitimate.
Posted by: Errata | Jan 5 2025 19:44 utc | 33
After gaslighting the international community for years regarding implementation of UNSC1701, Israel predictably is refusing to abide by the agreement. This attitude will likely result in resumed fighting across southern Lebanon in a couple of weeks:
“Israel has violated the ceasefire – which is based on the implementation of UN Resolution 1701 – over 100 times since it took effect with deadly airstrikes, arrests of Lebanese citizens, troop advancements, and mass detonation campaigns in southern villages. Entire villages have been wiped out as a result of the demolition campaign…Security sources in Lebanon told The Cradle on 23 December that the Israeli army is unhappy with the LAF's efforts to implement the ceasefire and is planning to maintain a presence in the south past the 60-day implementation period.”
Posted by: jayc | Jan 5 2025 19:53 utc | 34
meanwhile back at the genocide ranch
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/01/05/740364/Israelis-Block-Food-Supply-To-Northern-Gaza-Indonesian-Hospital-To-Force-Doctors-Out
Israeli forces block food to north Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital to force doctors out
The Israeli regime forces have blocked the supply of water and food to northern Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital to force the doctors there to flee.
The doctors are refusing to leave their patients behind, the nongovernmental organization that funded the supplies to the Indonesia Hospital said on Sunday......
....According to UNOCHA, the Indonesia Hospital is out of medical service due to the damage inflicted on it in frequent Israeli attacks since October 2023. However, the structure is still being used as a shelter for critically ill patients, despite not having electricity, water or supplies.....
https://x.com/NourNaim88/status/1874896331191587139
Nour Naim| نُور @NourNaim88
🚨Breaking: Israel has killed Dr. Hani Habib, a brilliant maxillofacial surgeon, and his family in an airstrike on their #Gaza home.
Gaza’s healers are being taken one by one‼️
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/14203
Middle East Spectator
— 🇧🇷/🇮🇱 NEW: A Brazilian court ordered police to investigate an Israeli soldier accused of war crimes in Gaza, after which the soldier reportedly fled Brazil, according to Hebrew media
Similar complaints against Israeli soldiers have also been filed in Argentina and Chile.
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1875525133353255029
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg
So the CIA and Israeli installed HTS government has still not fired one single shot at the Israeli army which has invaded much of Syria.
But HTS has carried out a series of attacks on the Lebanese army on the border.
Every UK fake "Palestine supporter" cheering on HTS should be humiliated.
https://x.com/sanaahmad1505/status/1875335258486534558
𝙎𝙖𝙣𝙖👼🏻 @sanaahmad1505
HTS would rather fight Lebanese soldiers than confront Israel, who’s bombing them, stole Mount Hermon without a fight, and is seizing 40% of Syria’s water.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 5 2025 20:22 utc | 35
The motivation of the zionists is religious, it has always been religious.
If you either do not understand this, or choose to ignore this, then it just becomes empty talk on all these forums where people discuss this topic, trying to find an answer for it. Because of the influence of godless culture many people have become a-religious and therefore have been deprived of finding the right answer to these questions.
Geopolitical goals in that region, or economic interests, all these are secondaries; the primary motivation is and has been religious.
I explained about this already in April 2024 when I posted my explanation here on the public forum of the Moon of Alabama website. It remained on this forum for one day only, because the information had such an impact on the enemy, who found his intention exposed by my publishing.
And after it was removed by the moderation due to external pressure –as I suppose– I posted my article on my own domain.
In my article you can learn why they are so obsessed with expanding the borders of their Erez Israel project. I explained –for those interested– what motivates this enemy, why they are so obsessed with dominating that part of the world, and consequently –according to their wishful thinking– to rule over this whole world.
It is a religious enterprise aimed against God. That's why they are so obsessed with it; and not the prospect of acquiring a lucrative beach resort in Gaza, built on top of uncounted dead Palestinian corpses, managed by Jarred Kushner.
But when people do not believe in God, how can they perceive the machinations of the enemy of God? and that's exactly what the enemy of God wanted to achieve through the dissemination of godless culture.
If you either do not want to acknowledge God, or if you can not understand God, or if you choose to outright deny God, then all your attempts of explanation related to this topic remain in vain.
But if you want a real answer to all these questions –for those interested– then be it known to you that by acknowledging Jesus Christ, you take away power over you from this anti-Christ.
This is a statement of fact, not just an opinion!
Sincerely,
George
prophet.am
Posted by: Tom | Jan 5 2025 14:10 utc | 9
How right you are Tom.
Posted by: KingCobra | Jan 5 2025 20:59 utc | 37
The Genociders‘ defense seems to be …..it’s not a genocide - just mass murder and ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2025 17:59 utc | 31
And lately they went as far as hitting west bank, lebanon and syria just to show it's nothing particular about gaza...
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 21:34 utc | 38
When it could have gone full Dresden style and turned Gaza and everyone inside it to ashes within a few weeks. Without risking it's soldier at all.
Posted by: John Wick | Jan 5 2025 14:38 utc | 15
You stupid Zionist tool. It IS "full Dresden style" and more. More bomb tonnage has been dropped on defenseless Gaza than in Dresden and Japan combined minus nukes.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 21:47 utc | 39
Errata 34
Martin Luther d. 1546 was an open Anti-semite. What politicians in Germany say in the age of political lying is irrelevant. Hatred of Jews was already deeply rooted in German culture during the era in which the Gospels were translated into local languages and read for the first time by ordinary people on Europe.
What those translations revealed in the Gospels was totally different to the Stone Age Feudalism taught by the Roman Catholic Church. I suspect that the resentment against the stranglehold of the Catholic Church which controlled everything , was partially directed against the minority group, the Jews.
The rich are very clever at persuading the poor that all their problems, actually caused by the rich, are caused by the " other " groups.
The Nazis may have also blamed the " other " , Polish Jews because its easier to blame the " other ", than to blame your own community.
I think we can see that the current genocide targeting women and children for murder and men for sexual humiliation shows us that Israel despairs of succeeding in Palestine, in simple breeding power.
Israel's Westernised mentality cannot compete with Muslim birth rates. The worn out rituals of Talmudic Judaism cannot compete the resilience and energy that daily God- worship gives.
In both Holocausts, then and now, the spiritual energy from the Gospels and now the Qur'an have made the old Establishment and its followers lash out against the new faith.
In other words it was the spiritual energy of the Gospels that were hidden by Rome for 1500 years that caused the Germans to lash out against the Jewish scapegoat, and it is the spiritual energy of the Qur'an, witnessed by Europeans in the highly educated young Muslims living in their torpid , dysfunctional Western societies, that causes European leaders to egg on the Israeli genocide.
This genocide is done by US, UK and European weaponry, Western IT technology. This is the West expressing its absolute detestation of Muslim success.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 5 2025 21:49 utc | 40
The Genociders‘ defense seems to be …..it’s not a genocide - just mass murder and ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2025 17:59 utc | 31
And lately they went as far as hitting west bank, lebanon and syria just to show it's nothing particular about gaza...
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 21:52 utc | 41
Belloc expressed it memorably: " Whatever happens, we have got the Gatling gun, and you have not."
Posted by: Lysias | Jan 5 2025 21:54 utc | 42
Any moron who still says it's about the hoooostages is either incredibly stupid and not listening to the words of the gonocidaires themselves or is attempting to spew cognitive dissonance. It has NEVER been about hostages even before a single one was taken on October 7. The Zionists attempted to kill as many as possible on their own.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 21:54 utc | 43
Gaza has not only totally discredited Israel, it has done the same to the United States.
Posted by: Lysias | Jan 5 2025 22:06 utc | 44
Notes from all over:
Today in Gaza, and another $8 billion to Israel from US:
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Israeli forces have killed at least 88 Palestinians in a single day across Gaza. They bombed the enclave more than 100 times in just three days, killing more than 200 Palestinians, with women and children making up a majority of the victims.
Meanwhile, another baby in Gaza has died of hypothermia – the eighth such death amid the Israeli genocide in the enclave.
US President Joe Biden proposes an $8bn arms sale for Israel, just two weeks before leaving office, ignoring widespread criticism over the mounting death toll in Gaza.
Read more: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/1/5/live-israel-kills-70-in-gaza-as-us-proposes-8bn-weapons-shipment#ixzz8wV4lQow5https://">https://">https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/1/5/live-israel-kills-70-in-gaza-as-us-proposes-8bn-weapons-shipment#ixzz8wV4lQow5https://
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Now this is an interesting idea, and the article is pretty clear about the grounds for the suit:
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Two Democratic congressmen from Northern California were served this week with legal documents in a class action lawsuit filed by hundreds of their constituents who argue that the lawmakers illegally forced them into complicity with Israel's genocidal annihilation of Gaza. [...]
How did they happen to be there? Dual citizens? Sight-seers from Tel Aviv?:
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Two Israeli soldiers who fought in Gaza and Lebanon were injured in the car-ramming attack in New Orleans, USA
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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The article below only mentions the West Bank, but doctors in Gaza have been reporting these things for a long time. Kind of chilling article. And, of course, Israel sells this shit abroad after testing it out on the Palestinians:
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The Israeli army’s increasing use of explosive bullets on Palestinians, despite being banned internationally, is leaving a devastating toll on civilians in the occupied West Bank.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/iron-butterfly-explosivebullets-israels-deadly-weapons-targeting-palestinians/
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Posted by: teri | Jan 5 2025 22:32 utc | 45
I think I misremembered the Belloc quote. It's not "and you have not". It's " and they have not."
Posted by: Lysias | Jan 5 2025 22:42 utc | 46
It seems people are getting bored with the slaughter of the Palestinians. I don't feel the same way. The pure sadism and cruelty of both the Israeli military and the Israeli people themselves has shocked the world as they look on in complete hopelessness as Israel's barbaric military action continues to murder and maim innocent Palestinians every day, especially women and children.
So we all wait until something, anything, can stop it.
Posted by: Ray | Jan 5 2025 23:02 utc | 47
"Now that we have all witnessed - are witnessing - a Genocide
supported and perpetrated by the very people that worship The Holocaust,
I ask, "what happened?""
What happened to the valid lessons of The Holocaust?"
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:29 utc | 1
To begin with the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated (take a wild guess who promoted the exaggeration), perhaps by a factor of 6-10 times.
Secondly, the answer to your question of ,'what happened'?, is devilishly simple: when the father beats the sons, whom , in turn, beat their sons from learned behaviour; such that our Zionists are but aping their Nazi fathers.
What's happening in Palestine is a stain on humanity. I feel ashamed to be a human and at the spineless craven criminality of our so called leaders. I just hope in the future they hang most of the fucks responsible. We are all Palestine, we just don't realize it yet.
@ Doctor Eleven | Jan 5 2025 13:52 utc | 6
Your post reminds me of something Caitlin wrote this morning:
The way people in your life mindlessly regurgitate war propaganda about this or that empire-targeted nation. The way movies and TV shows manufacture consent for this hellscape. The way almost every product you interact with came into your life through depraved acts of international exploitation. The way none of the artists you’ve admired seem remotely interested in truth or justice, serving up nothing but vapid distraction in pretty shapes. The elections. The advertising. The phoniness. The way everyone’s always running around in circles frenetically trying to avoid experiencing even one single moment of true sincerity.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2025/01/05/we-live-in-a-nightmare/
I feel like maybe someone swapped baby-me at the hospital with an extra-terrestrial, or something. I keep squinting harder, straining for a read on the beings of this planet Earth. Any intervention of reality-orientation gets tossed in the discount bin with all the other screwballs.
I haven't clung to the framework of the previous me, as king tides of fresh history demolish practically all historical assumptions I used to know. I readily understand it isn't easy to stay cognitively intact as the flames rise. But usually I detect no trace of my struggle, my own extreme radicalization, from the presence of fellow humans, and I don't understand why. My grandmother told me about "cosmic loneliness" many years ago; maybe my uneasiness is just that.
Every once in a while I feel better, momentarily refreshed by one single moment of true sincerity. For which I thank you.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 5 2025 23:19 utc | 49
It seems people are getting bored with the slaughter of the Palestinians. I don't feel the same way. The pure sadism and cruelty of both the Israeli military and the Israeli people themselves has shocked the world as they look on in complete hopelessness as Israel's barbaric military action continues to murder and maim innocent Palestinians every day, especially women and children.
So we all wait until something, anything, can stop it.
Posted by: Ray | Jan 5 2025 23:02 utc | 49
Nobody is "bored" with the slaughter of the Palestinians, only with the inability to stop it.
Ireland still tries, spain also holding the candle, yemen of course still fights, iran is taking a break to tend to its wounds, syria is no more... yes things don't look good, but bored is not the word.
I guess everybody would like to see a flock of orange orbs going there and war of the world the IDF, but that seems beyond ET's interest...
I seldom post on this thread because there is a certain sense of hopelessness, as I mentioned a couple of times, unless i see the port of haifa on fire there is little hope the israeli would care.
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:25 utc | 50
I feel like maybe someone swapped baby-me at the hospital with an extra-terrestrial, or something.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 5 2025 23:19 utc | 51
Sorry to disapoint you, but as I just wrote, ET doesn't care either, no orange orbs for palestine.
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:26 utc | 51
From two previous posts
Dear ET, god, or whatever
If you happen to read this lowly blog , just shy of 32º50'N 35 E, heading east from there, will do nicely, can't miss it.
Maybe they'll learn and stop, otherwise ask for more coordinates
Thank you
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:33 utc | 52
#1
What has been done to people is compartmentalization of their minds. A different set of rules and the name of an 'expert' imprinted in every mind cubby.
Remember Marvin the Martian, constantly talking about dis-integrating the Earth?
I don't think he was talking about this physical rock we're on.
Posted by: Matt | Jan 5 2025 23:34 utc | 53
Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2025 23:16 utc | 50
Zionists are but aping their Nazi fathers.
put a sock in it canuck.
Or explain to the Bar how it came about that "zionists" pre-dated by more than 40 years their "Nazi" father."
________________
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 5 2025 21:49 utc | 42
Read more carefully, Giyane:
Errata wrote about (actually, quoted from a Jewish source)
the German ambassador to US Hans Luther
Posted by: Errata | Jan 5 2025 23:36 utc | 54
Posted by: Errata | Jan 5 2025 23:36 utc | 56
canuck wasn't saying the Nazis created Zionism, dude. He was making another reference to the Holocaust and noting that the Zionists are carrying out their own slightly smaller version in Gaza.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 23:40 utc | 55
canuck wasn't saying the Nazis created Zionism, dude. He was making another reference to the Holocaust and noting that the Zionists are carrying out their own slightly smaller version in Gaza.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 23:40 utc | 57
Only because there are fewer gazans...
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:41 utc | 56
Just read the finest comment elsewhere
" My take is that the U.S. wants Israel to be a regional power, but I don't see how the region can live in peace while Israel is there. "
BINGO
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 6 2025 1:15 utc | 57
Newbie , i scrolled through all three current threads .
You are prolific, above and beyond normal capacity.
You are amazing! Can you reveal your secret to the quickness of your rhetoric and writing?
I want to learn from you , I want to be your protégé.
Posted by: Middle-man | Jan 6 2025 1:47 utc | 58
"Martin Luther d. 1546 was an open Anti-semite."
IMO references to Martin Luther as an "anti-semite" are anachronistic. First of all, the term itself was not coined until the 19th C.
Judaism has always been "openly anti-Christian."
That would be relevant to the beliefs and views of Martin Luther in his historical context. Would you prefer "secretly anti-semite"? Then Judaism as "secretly anti-Christian" is even more relevant, as shown by Israel Shahak.
Actually, some Jews I know who live in the former East Germany are quite openly anti-Christian. For instance, they speak disdainfully of images of the Virgin Mary and various saints in Christian cathedrals. Is this envy? I am not aware that Judaism has much of a tradition of producing beautiful works of art---enjoyed by people of many faiths. But they just irritate some Jews.
Jews in contemporary Germany have demanded that certain Gothic and Romanesque statuary be removed from Christian cathedrals because they think these images are "antisemitic." In one case it was shown that the offending figure had nothing whatsoever to do with Jews.
BTW Luther composed some wonderful hymns.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 6 2025 1:52 utc | 59
Happy Birthday Greta for 3rd January.
Dr. Yousef 𓂆🇵🇸
@yousef_ki1
Happy 22nd birthday to Greta Thunberg.
"To stand with Palestine is to be human”
https://x.com/yousef_ki1/status/1875050376887767236
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 2:30 utc | 60
Yesh Din English
@Yesh_Din
Dozens of settlers, some armed, assaulted farmers from #Silwad this afternoon. At least six vehicles were set on fire, and six Palestinians were injured. According to eye witnesses, soldiers who were nearby didn't prevent the violence. This is the fifth attack in the past two weeks in the area, and it occurred after an evacuation of of an illegal outpost yesterday on the lands of Silwad. The outpost was rebuilt by settlers a few hours afterwards.
Help us fight settler violence - Donate today: http://tinyurl.com/2h5x24ke
https://x.com/Yesh_Din/status/1875254301376795006
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 2:31 utc | 61
Double Down News
@DoubleDownNews
SILENCED for Supporting Gaza: Artist Who Inspired Banksy EXPOSES Art World @peterkennardx
https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1875156722807173629
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 2:32 utc | 62
Khalissee
@Kahlissee
The moment "Israel" bombed the tents of the Deir al-Balah refugee camp in central Gaza today with a half-ton bomb of explosives.
A $100 million F-35 plane drops a $200,000 GDU bomb on refugees in misery who survive on 100 grams of bread a day in a tent.
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1875433103545790694
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 2:33 utc | 63
Globe Eye News
@GlobeEyeNews
Israeli forces have taken control of six major water sources in Syria, accounting for 30% of Syria’s and 40% of Jordan’s water supply.
https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1875630702554968280
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 2:34 utc | 64
The Hind Rajab Foundation
@HindRFoundation
🚨🚨 Urgent Alert❗️
The #HindRajabFoundation has verified information that Israel is imminently attempting to smuggle suspected Israeli war criminal Yuval Vagdani out of Brazil, because of a Brazilian court order for police to take investigative measures against him. There are also indications that evidence is being destroyed. This is not only a scandal but an affront to Brazil’s sovereignty and rule of law. Israel has employed similar tactics before.
We call on Brazilian authorities to fulfill their responsibilities, protect their judicial process, and ensure justice prevails.
For more info on the case see ⬇️
https://hindrajabfoundation.org/perpetrators/b
https://x.com/HindRFoundation/status/1875677664205246471
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 2:35 utc | 65
asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
Antony Blinken: in a just world (which does not exist) his words in the New York Times interview could serve as a basis for indictment for war crimes under international law. He concedes that his administration sponsored the deprivation of food to Palestinians and that his administration kept arming the state that he admits was denying food to people. What is least mentioned about Blinken is that his first career choice was to intern at the New Republic when the magazine was more violent and extremist than other Zionist publications like Midstream or Commentary. He worked for a magazine that was publicly and explicitly racist and bigoted. It should be regularly mentioned that those people like Blinken are Zionist because they are fundamentally racist and bigoted. Zionism provides a haven for anti-Arab/anti-Muslim racists and bigots.
https://x.com/asadabukhalil/status/1875976059059130832
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 2:35 utc | 66
librul,
I finished first 11 comments and something inside me forces me to make me join. It is so true what you and the commenters so far say, one is at a loss to add anything meaningful. Yet, as Ernst Bloch (the marxist philosopher who emigrated to USA in the 1930s and came back to Europe, disillusioned with USA life and society and lived for a few years in East Germany, became disillusioned with communism there and escaped to West Germany, became celebrity, and wrote a famous work "Prinzip Hoffnung") said - 'everything wise was said before and yet it can be repeated unknowingly of the previous wise people' ..
In some sleepless nights, lying in my warm bed, I think about the horror of lying in a wet, cold, windy place on the shore in Gaza, not even covered by a modern tent, freezing, possibly with burn wounds without dressing on it. And the noise, noise of bombs far and near, killing neighbors. The horror of parents not being able to protect the children. How can I sleep? What quirk of fate made me lucky that I am not there?
And the memories of my long life come to float in my mind - how come the terror of Nazi totalitarian state, firmly associated with name of Hitler - and the terror of communist state associated with the name of Stalin, how come the terror we see here and now - is not associated with any name?
Posted by: fanto | Jan 6 2025 2:48 utc | 67
The new normal.
I read the news today, oh-boy [beatles?]
Are you numb yet? 50 killed here, 70 there. Day by day; on-and-on, every day. Are you numb yet?
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 6 2025 3:25 utc | 68
From Al Manar
Russia’s FM Sergey Lavrov: Moscow has not received any requests from Syria to review the status of its military bases
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 6 2025 3:37 utc | 69
"Martin Luther d. 1546 was an open Anti-semite."
_____________________________
Initially, M.L. was a friend to the jews. He befriended a Rabbi who taught him Hebrew,and was very sympathetic to them. Of course,he hated Catholics,so he faulted the Catholic Church for Jews not converting to Christianity. In his pride, Luther assumed he could convert them by being nice, and preaching to them. Lo and behold, they remained obstinate in their rejection of their King who died for our salvation! Consequently, he was filled with rage, and thereafter, he was more hateful to the jews than one can imagine. How dare they reject his teaching. (LOL) M.L. was a sanctimonious hypocrite, a drunkard, and a ball of pride. That's the truth.
Posted by: hispanidad | Jan 6 2025 3:49 utc | 70
Expanding a little on my comment at @69 above; what puzzles me is the easy transition in the public discourse, of the condemnation of the Germans under Nazi terror, that "they did nothing", that they were "willing executioners" (of a Jewish scribe whose name escapes me now), that the Russians "did nothing" under Stalin's terror regime, - and what can we say about here and now - WE ARE DOING NOTHING to stop the horror, the genocide. The collective "we" is totally afraid of what? of losing the job? of potentially harming the career of the offspring?
Where are the Hollywood artists? where is the American Medical Association? where is the American Bar Association?
We live again in a terror society, only in the capitalist cloak, in fear of being named "antisemite".
Posted by: fanto | Jan 6 2025 4:23 utc | 71
Newbie | Jan 5 2025 23:41 utc | 58
*** canuck wasn't saying the Nazis created Zionism, dude. He was making another reference to the Holocaust and noting that the Zionists are carrying out their own slightly smaller version in Gaza.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 23:40 utc | 57
Only because there are fewer gazans...***
Don't omit aggregate numbers of dead in the Ukraine war (brought about by Kolomoisky and Zionist/Jewish politicians home and abroad) ... or in deference to Zelensky and the Chabad cultists, should we now be calling that soon to be former country the impending "New Israel/Khazaria".
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 6 2025 4:26 utc | 72
Jane 61
I was refuting Errata's statement
"For one thing, zionists were primarily Russian-Polish-Lithuanian: Jews who were dissatisfied with their lot in those states and so, with the assistance of the Hebrew Aid Society (HIAS) many fled to safety in Germany"
I used the word antisemitic because Errata is in total denial of Germany's Jew-hating past. He's also implying that the problem was created by Russian treatment of Jews, which had turned Jews into Zionists.
Martin Luther was a Jew-hater 400 years before the Nazis, a point which Errata tries to divert attention from in his comment 56. What has Hans Luther got to do with Martin Luther?
Also , how does Holocaust denial on this thread help the cause of Palestinians?
Will it help Palestinians if Israel bickers about the numbers of its Palestinian Holocaust?
The cause of the Jewish Holocaust was European rage at 1500 years of Feudal ignorance imposed by the Roman Catholic Church, which Martin Luther openly attacked, but which still has power in Germany today, 500 years later.
In England , the Papacy banned outright, but Oliver Cromwell still vented 1500 years of frustration at Catholic Feudalism against the Irish, just for being Catholics. In the same way that Netanyahu has vented his rage against European Antisemitism against the Palestinians.
Is the MoA Palestine thread an appropriate place for German Nazi Holocaust deniers to deny European persecution of the Jews since at least Martin Luther's time?
Errata has ignored my point about the Israeli genocide being in fact perpetrated by the entire West against a captive Muslim community. It is an Islamophobic Genocide by a West that it is morally bankrupt.
Your Jewish family was able to live in Germany because of the common decency of ordinary people and the tolerance of the German State. But the seeds of the Holocaust were already in Germany when Luther asked if the Pope was the devil's friend , or the devil himself. He was protected by wealthy sponsors.
The rage at 1500 years of Roman Catholic oppression, unable to dismantle the Power of vested interests, turned against the Jews instead.
Just as the rage at 2000 years of diaspora exile , combined with the rage of the Khazars at being kicked out of their country , has created this Israeli genocide.
More importantly, the Collective West had one year's notice of Oct 7 , and JOINTLY planned this genocide against the Muslims in Sham, Palestine.
Exactly in the same way that Nazi Germany JOINTLY planned the Holocaust with Britain and many other nations, pretending they knew nothing about it.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 5:02 utc | 73
@1
At risk of repeating what others have said, my answer to your question is the entire industry of holo memorialization and education existed to give the state in question the cover to eventually "solve" its palestinian problem no questions asked.
They got a dotard zionist in the white house who essentially did not exist for probably 65% of his presidency, and so it was easy for his zionist chief of staff and sec state to feed israel every dollar and category of weapon it needed to continue its campaign of extermination.
If not for the noble intervention of Hezb and Ansar it would probably be complete in Gaza, by now.
Posted by: Cresty | Jan 6 2025 5:16 utc | 74
Turk 152 204 , previous Palestine thread.
When o checked out the discussion to which you linked, I took exception to the statement that these Islamist groups that are protected by USUKIS and funded by Saudi Arabia and other criminal activity, " have agency ".
Why, if they have independent " agency " does Britain's Special Envoy to Syria pop up in Damascus the
week after this highly choreographed political coup ?
Agency, pffft.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 5:24 utc | 75
From Xinhuanet
JERUSALEM, Jan. 5 (Xinhua) -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said on Sunday that Hamas has not provided a name list of Israeli hostages to be released."Hamas has not transferred a name list of (Israeli) hostages so far," Netanyahu's office said in a statement, denying previous media reports, which, citing a Hamas official, said the group agreed to release 34 hostages.
Meanwhile, Israel's state-owned Kan TV reported on Sunday that Mossad chief David Barnea will travel tomorrow to Qatar to take part in the ongoing Gaza ceasefire talks.
On Thursday, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad movement said Palestinian factions need a week to prepare and deliver a list of Israeli hostages for exchange during the first phase of a possible ceasefire deal.
Will a ceasefire stop the genocide? Just in Gaza?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 6 2025 5:26 utc | 76
77
We've heard this lie by Political Islam about "agency ", when they declared that the highly choreographed events of Oct 7 were solely decided by Hamas.
I suppose the reality is that in the business of modern international politics everybody else is lying , so Poliical Islam will also have to lie .
I don't appreciate lying from the lips of Muslims, even in the name of joint international freemasonry politics.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 5:34 utc | 77
psychoistorian 78
Qatar / Muslim Brotherhood is a direct beneficiary and sponsor of this genocide, as manifested by the shoehorning into Damascus of HTS.
Dark deals have been done, but the charade of decency still has to run its course for public consumption.
I am so disgusted at the beautiful name of Islam being shat on by gangster politics.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 5:43 utc | 78
I don't appreciate lying from the lips of Muslims.Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 5:34 utc | 79
Then step down from the universalist claims of your koranic messaging, or risk debating me on the possible veracity of scripture in general, be it arabic, mathematical, or that of a supposed logos. No one here complains that you are vocal about your religion, and that's cool, but frankly claiming you possess a sole truth by virtue of following monotheistic scripture is a step too far. Just sayin', Giyane. Let's not fan the flames, this thread has been powerful and brilliant, and we should keep it focused.
Posted by: persiflo | Jan 6 2025 5:55 utc | 79
@ persiflo | Jan 6 2025 5:55 utc | 81....thx
"
The way that can be named is not the real way.
"
Everything named is the result of human hubris and barbaric patriarchy.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 6 2025 6:00 utc | 80
persiflo 81
You do realise that Political Islam regards the pure patience and religious tenaciousness of the Palestinians as " Sufism " , even though the whole Qur'an is dedicated to the teaching of patience and worship.
No, Political Islam is the art of Impatience, trying to change the world to their liking, even at the sacrifice of an entire population, whom the Saudi Salafis, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaida, Islamic Stateless etc all detest.
The Normalised. Saudi-Israel flag is raised over Palestine and Syria.
Political Islam and Political Judaism beautifully dancing together in a Dervish dance .
Sorry mate, but your twinges of annoyance at non-political matters is missing the point, that all.politicians of every slant and twist, all detest the worship of God.
Th Israeli genocide is a Politicians ' Open Bloodfest. I don't care about you politicians. I care about the Palestinians being tortured by the worship of politics.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 6:25 utc | 81
see the video at the second link
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1875903444738797958
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs
Misusing the protected status of medical vehicles and personnel is a flagrant violation of the Geneva Conventions and may constitute a crime of perfidy. By systemically disregarding IHL, Israel has rendered the legal frameworks meant to protect civilians, completely meaningless.
@ICRC
@ICRC_ilot
https://x.com/PeruginiNic/status/1875806494614311403
Nicola Perugini @PeruginiNic
The Israeli army hiding in an ambulance to carry out an operation in Balata refugee camp, Nablus. The same army that destroyed Gaza’s hospitals based on the fabricated accusation that they are a network of military command centres.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 6 2025 6:41 utc | 82
The politicians wet dream, apply the entire military weaponry of the West against a corralled, kettled, trapped, isolated Muslim population.
I suppose the mindless old farts of USUKIS failed politics have to do something in their senility after Xbox loses its excitement.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 6:45 utc | 83
LOL, good one. So let me get this straight. You think that Israel is intentionally trying to kill every Gazan alive today? And after 14 months, they only killed 50,000 people out of 2 million? Really? WTF would the IDF risk one soldier, let alone sacrifice nearly 1000 of them engaging in urban combat against Hamas fighters? Why not just keep the troops out and carpet bomb day and night. Why is Israel letting in humanitarian aid? To help fatten the population before said "genocide"? You make no valid arguments, just emotional nonsense, and ad hominem attacks. Also, where's your outrage about Syrian minorities being slaughtered by the Islamists today? You know little to nothing about Israel, Gaza, and the Middle East.
Any moron who still says it's about the hoooostages is either incredibly stupid and not listening to the words of the gonocidaires themselves or is attempting to spew cognitive dissonance. It has NEVER been about hostages even before a single one was taken on October 7. The Zionists attempted to kill as many as possible on their own.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2025 21:54 utc | 45
Posted by: John Wick | Jan 6 2025 6:48 utc | 84
see the video at the second link.
the israelis are the most psychopathic people/society in the world at the present moment
https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1875949813189255425
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
An IDF soldier, Yuval Vagdani, came to Brazil in December to vacation. A federal court ordered him criminally investigated after this group showed he destroyed entire blocks of residential buildings in Gaza and urged more.
Court cite Brazil's signing of Rome Statute and ICC.
https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1875950334432157963
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
In response, Israel threatened Brazil (again) and there are now reports that the Israeli Foreign Ministry helped Vagdani to flee the country in the middle of the night this morning. Lots of people investigating how that could have happened. The soldier:
https://x.com/HindRFoundation/status/1875677664205246471
The Hind Rajab Foundation @HindRFoundation
🚨🚨 Urgent Alert❗️ The #HindRajabFoundation has verified information that Israel is imminently attempting to smuggle suspected Israeli war criminal Yuval Vagdani out of Brazil, because of a Brazilian court order for police to take investigative measures against him. There are also indications that evidence is being destroyed. This is not only a scandal but an affront to Brazil’s sovereignty and rule of law. Israel has employed similar tactics before.
We call on Brazilian authorities to fulfill their responsibilities, protect their judicial process, and ensure justice prevails.
For more info on the case see ⬇️
https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/perpetrators/breaking-brazilian-court-orders-police-to-act-on-israeli-war-crimes-suspect-following-hrf-complaint
https://x.com/anyaparampil/status/1875952376470987065
Anya Parampil @anyaparampil
This should happen to Israeli soldiers everywhere they go to drop molly and “destress” after their time in the military
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 6 2025 6:58 utc | 85
Were we feeding our intellect and emotions with one message while our subconscious was learning an entirely different lesson?
Manifestly so.
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:29 utc | 1
I think you're correct, the entire west has become the HOLOCAUST-R-US civilization.
The more people you kill, the morally better you are, the more people respect you.
Kill = good, not kill = bad.
That's why the west is good and China is bad.
All western policy is predicated on killing maximum number of humans.
The memory of western "civilization" will merge seamlessly with the 1940's German Nazis.
Indivisibly one and the same.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jan 6 2025 7:25 utc | 86
see the video at the first link.
love the brave Houthis/Yemenis:
“Whoever wants to get to sleep comfortably has to leave for either Cypress or their own country,” he said
https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1875966152146608264
PALESTINE ONLINE 🇵🇸 @OnlinePalEng
Scenes from the massive rally that healthcare workers staged outside the US embassy in London to demand #FreeDrHussamAbuSafiya.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/14202
Middle East Spectator
— 🇾🇪/🇮🇱 NEW: Yemen's Ansarullah announce that they targeted the 'Orot Rabin' power plant south of Haifa with a 'Palestine-2' hypersonic ballistic missile.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/01/06/740393/Yemen-warning-Israel
Yemen warns Israelis: Go back to your country of origin; we won’t leave Gaza alone
A high-ranking member of Yemen’s popular resistance Ansarullah movement advises the illegal settlers in the occupied Palestinian territories to leave those areas for where they came from as Yemen will not cease its retaliatory anti-Israeli operations.
Hizam al-Assad, member of Ansarullah’s Political Bureau, made the remarks in a post on X on Monday.
“Whoever wants to get to sleep comfortably has to leave for either Cypress or their own country,” he said......
....“Our military operations will keep targeting the heart of the occupied territories,” he had stated.
“These surprises will last until the regime ceases its aggression and siege against Gaza,”.....
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 6 2025 8:39 utc | 87
"And after 14 months, they only killed 50,000 people out of 2 million? Really?"
John Wick | Jan 6 2025 6:48 utc | 86
That figure is simply rubbish as it only referred to those who died and were reported (or died in) hospitals. As there are now NO hospitals left working and the collection of information by the Palestinian centre in the West Bank has been effectively stopped. The overall figure does not reflect those dying of starvation, thirst, cold or who have been buried by bulldozers, or underneath tents bombed by 2 ton US supplied bombs.
Total must be well into the hundred thousands in reality.
Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 6 2025 9:05 utc | 90
Agreed. There are probably hundreds of thousands still budired under the rubble of bombed buildings.
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 9:48 utc | 89
Ship Traffic live
Haifa = busy
Ashdod = busy
Askelon = dead
Elias = dead
Suez Approaches = busy
Posted by: Exile | Jan 6 2025 9:57 utc | 91
Random thought ....
Is it time yet for someone to start demanding Proof of Life for Netanyahu?
Or did I miss his triumphant return from his hospital bunker.
Posted by: Sticker | Jan 6 2025 10:23 utc | 92
Double Down News
@DoubleDownNews
LOWKEY - Two Kites (Official Music Video) @Lowkey0nline
https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1872674886524850459
Posted by: Menz | Jan 6 2025 10:48 utc | 93
@94
Or he could be counting mountains of money.
As part of his physical therapy.
Posted by: Middle-man | Jan 6 2025 11:17 utc | 94
Posted by: Exile | Jan 6 2025 9:57 utc | 93
Are these ships violating the Houthi ban? What's going on here?
Posted by: Sticker | Jan 6 2025 11:33 utc | 95
Posted by: Middle-man | Jan 6 2025 11:17 utc | 96
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If that were the case, wild horses can't drag him away.
But there's serious shiite going on -- WHERE IS HE? Seems like he'd at least be sending his usual "Me, Big Man in Charge of War" videos.
Posted by: Sticker | Jan 6 2025 11:38 utc | 96
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 6 2025 5:24 utc | 77
I will try to be better about that, I’m a ponderer. I read your previous comments and thought they were insightful. I don’t like posting when I don’t have an equally brilliant comment to make and feel my half baked ideas clutter the thread. I spent a lot of time thinking about Muslim infiltration in your local clergy.
The question of Erdogan and the Turkish Deep state agency is always something I consider and am sure it is applicable to Egypt, Jordan and other countries as well. In fact my musings about the CUP Genociders being a Zionist rather a than Turkish group is a question of agency. I look at agency in the Middle East as a spectrum, wholly subordinate (Jordan) vs independent Iran under Raisi. I thought Erdogan falls in the middle, but the latest move in Syria would only be justified if there were actual Sunni innocents in Assad’s prisons. Otherwise, it supports the theory that the overthrow of the Ottoman Empire, Caliph, and Armenian Genocide was a Zionist coup.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Jan 6 2025 13:58 utc | 97
Bearing Witness to the Israel-Gaza War
Lee Mordechai, Historian and Israeli citizen
Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 6 2025 14:40 utc | 98
Thanks, barflies, all, for your responses to my question(s) posted in comment #1 ( @1 )
Lots of food for thought. Thx!
I was going to try and go next level with the question @1, but am not trained in psychology
so I don't have enough to offer except perhaps more questions.
When I first read the article "Israel's Biblical Psychopathy" I thought it was harsh.
Then I read the words, thoughts and actions of Bezalel Smotrich and his like-minded Religious Zionists.
(And, of course, witnessed the Genocide unfolding.)
If you haven't read it:
https://www.unz.com/article/israels-biblical-psychopathy/
The Biblical VirusIsrael’s collective psychopathy is not genetic, it is cultural, but it was formed is very ancient times, and so it is embedded in the ancestral subconscious (whatever that is): it ultimately comes from the jealous god invented by the Levites to control the starving tribes they set out to conquer Palestine some three thousand years ago. By birth, Israel is the nation of the psychopathic god.
My "next level question" is this, given that there is a collective unconscious [Jung], has not the subconscious message of the Holocaust --Victimhood --
been reanimating and feeding an ancient Jewish collective unconscious?
That collective unconscious has manifested in the likes of Bezalel Smotrich.
Posted by: librul | Jan 6 2025 14:56 utc | 99
Another great new law from the US, making it clear in writing that "antisemitism" is not being "pro-israel"
The New York state antisemitism vandalism act:
Enacts the New York state antisemitism vandalism act which establishes the crime of vandalism of pro-Israel print, which provides a class A misdemeanor for any individual who intentionally destroys, damages, removes, or causes to be destroyed, damaged or removed any banner, poster, flyer or billboard which is located in a public space, where the intent or purpose of such banner, poster, flyer or billboard is to bring awareness for Israeli individuals who have been victims of a crime, or to positively support the country or citizens of Israel in any way.
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jan 6 2025 15:46 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
I am looking for feedback about a question that I have.
Now that we have all witnessed - are witnessing - a Genocide
supported and perpetrated by the very people that worship The Holocaust,
I ask, "what happened?"
There are well over a hundred memorials and museums around the world dedicated
to The Holocaust. There are days set aside every year -- multiple days -- for Remembrance to
the Holocaust. There are dozens or hundreds of movies about it. More books than
one could hope to count...articles...lectures...possibly even college courses.
So what happened?
Holocaust understanding was imperative, so as to prevent another genocide.
What happened to the valid lessons of The Holocaust?
And here is my real point of interest. Was there one message for our intellect and another that we weren't cautious about,
a different message that the subconscious was hearing?
Were we feeding our intellect and emotions with one message while our subconscious was learning an entirely different lesson?
Manifestly so.
Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2025 13:29 utc | 1