CIA/NYT Remove North Korean Troops From Ukraine's Front Line
After three months of intense propaganda the CIA decided to bury an Ukrainian disinformation scheme and announced to 'pull North Korean troops off the front line'.
Well. How did North Koreans get to the front line in the first place?
On October 14 the former president of Ukraine Vladimir Zelinski initiated an information-operation designed to increase support for Ukraine. He alleged, without evidence, that Russia planned to involve North Korea into the war.
U.S. financed media outlets in Ukraine soon propped up these rumors by citing 'sources in Ukraine’s special services'. More anonymous 'sources' chimed in and soon there was talk of 3,000 soldiers from North Korea joining the fight. There was however zero evidence that anything like was ever planned or happened.
I thus remarked:
I regard the whole claim of North Korean troops in Russia as a fake news story and I am sure that most experts will follow me in that judgment.
However, today U.S. media manage to play up the nonsense:
Why North Korea is sending soldiers to the Russian front lines - Washington Post
I do not believe that any politician or military in the west will believe that nonsense which is again solely sourced to Ukrainian military intelligence claims. But there is clear campaign by the Ukrainian government to make the issue stick. What is its hope? To induce South Korea to send its forces to fight North Koreans on the Ukrainian border with Russia?
Sending solders to help Russia’s war effort against Ukraine could earn valuable foreign currency for Kim Jong Un’s regime and bolster their strengthening ties.
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A few days later it emerged that the whole Ukrainian 'North Korea' information-operation was based on a U.S. plan:
At the time of writing the above I did not know that the idea for this campaign came from RAND, the Pentagon's think tank which often proposes strategic ideas. In a commentary about Russian/North Korean and Chinese cooperation published on October 11, three days before the start of Zelenski's campaign, a RAND analyst wrote:
What Should the United States Do?Given the differences in the objectives of Russia, China, and North Korea, the United States should be mounting major information operations against these three countries to highlight their differences and fuel distrust among them.
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[T]he United States should recognize that North Korean military advisors are supporting Russian use of North Korean military supplies in occupied areas of Ukraine.
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This new cooperation between Russia and North Korea is hardly a signal of a budding long-term alliance and U.S. information campaigns could help speed its demise.Just three days later the Military Intelligence of the Ukrainian army, headed by General Budanov, started to 'leak' claims to the Ukrainian press about North Korean troops in Russia.
Since launching the first rumors of 1,500, then 3,000 North Korean soldiers in Russia the CIA trained head of the Ukrainian military special service General Budanov increased the number from hot air to 11,000 North Korean soldiers.
But even NATO denied to have any knowledge of such a force.
As I summarized at that time:
Shortly after RAND proposed a U.S. information operation campaign around the theme of North Korean soldiers in Russia the Ukrainian military intelligence service under CIA trainee Budanov started to spread rumors of North Korean soldiers soon to fight on the Russian side. The numbers claimed by Budanov have since steadily increased. South Korean intelligence, also associated with the CIA, and U.S. media have joined the campaign. The chair of the House Intelligence Committee is milking the campaign to make political points.Evidence that was supposed to support the claims has been exposed as being fake. The whole story is thus based on nothing but 'intelligence' rumors which are following a RAND proposed script. Don't fall for it.
The story continued to grow through repetition. Media quoted each other with each adding bits of bullshit from their usual 'security sources'. What failed to turn up though was evidence.
After being repeatedly questioned about the lack of evidence for their claims, Ukrainian politicians presented their solution:
Today the Ukrainian Minister of Defense, Rustem Umerov, has given a hint how Ukraine will handle this issue (machine translation):
Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov confirmed the words of the head of the National Security and Defense Council's Center for Combating Disinformation, Andriy Kovalenko , that the first "small-scale fighting" had already taken place between the Ukrainian Armed Forces and North Korean soldiers, and the Koreans had suffered losses.
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Umerov also said that the Russian Federation disguises Koreans as Buryats, so the dead and prisoners must be identified before Ukraine calls the number of enemy losses.
Buryats are a Mongolic people in Siberia who are part of the Russian Federation. Many of them have joined the well paid ranks of Russian forces. Umerov's plan was thus obvious:
As soon as some Buryat soldier of Russia will turn up dead, the Ukrainian military will present him as a disguised North Korean soldier. Some black and white photos will be found of a similar looking person in North Korean uniform ..."There is your prove. Now send soldiers and weapons." will Umerov say.
There have since been several attempts by Ukrainian special services to reinforce their media campaign. Russian passports from dead Russian soldiers were presented as 'fake documents' carried by 'North Koreans'. They even captured a Buryat:
On Oct. 28 (local time), Jonas Ohman, head of the Lithuanian NGO Blue/Yellow, which provides aid to Ukraine and its military, informed local media outlet LRT, stating, “The first encounter between a Ukrainian unit we support and North Korean soldiers occurred on the 25th in Kursk. To my knowledge, all of the North Korean soldiers, except for one, were killed. The surviving soldier was found carrying identification as a Buryat.”
Other 'evidence' included hand written letters, allegedly by North Korean soldiers, written in South Korean type and style.
Even Wikipedia had to admit:
As of January 2025, there has been no independent confirmation of the Buryat Battalion's existence [,allegedly consisting of soldiers from North Korea,] outside of Ukrainian sources.
The nonsense of this scheme has become too obvious.
Now the CIA, with the help of the New York Times, is shutting it down.
The 'North Korean soldiers' are leaving the battlefield the same way they came - ever unseen.
North Korean Troops No Longer Seen on Front Lines Fighting Ukraine (archived) - New York Times, Jan 31 2024
North Korea sent its best troops to aid Russia in its war against Ukraine. But after months of suffering severe losses, they have been taken off the front line.
North Korean soldiers who joined their Russian allies in battle against Ukrainian forces have been pulled off the front lines after suffering heavy casualties, according to Ukrainian and U.S. officials.The North Korean troops, sent to bolster Russian forces trying to push back a Ukrainian offensive inside Russia’s borders, have not been seen at the front for about two weeks, the officials said after requesting anonymity to discuss sensitive military and intelligence matters.
Well - that sentences is formally correct. But it would be even more precise to say that 'North Korean troops have not been seen at the front - since ever.'
The CIA/NYT can't go there (yet). They still add to the stupid claims:
Many of the soldiers are among North Korea’s best-trained special operations troops, but the Russians appear to have used them as foot soldiers, sending them forth in waves across fields studded with land mines to be mowed down by heavy Ukrainian fire.
Well, where are the pictures and videos of North Korean troops 'sent forth in waves' and 'mowed down by heavy Ukrainian fire'?
In a war where every ground move is surveilled by dozens of drones how come there is not even one video that shows evidence of such a scene?
For now the RAND/Ukraine (dis-)information campaign of 'North Korean' soldiers fighting Ukraine has been shut down. U.S. 'officials' however keep the door open to relaunch it at a convenient time:
The American officials said the decision to pull the North Korean troops off the front line may not be a permanent one. It is possible, they said, that the North Koreans could return after receiving additional training or after the Russians come up with new ways of deploying them to avoid such heavy casualties.
Maybe a month, a year, or ten from now we will be again told about these imagined 'enemies' from North Korea which unite with Russians to 'fight us'.
Added:
Love this:
Yesterday, upon the stair, I met a man who wasn't there!
He wasn't there again today, I wish, I wish he'd go away! 🙃
Posted by b on January 31, 2025 at 14:48 UTC | Permalink
next page »It seems there is a disagreement, presumably within the CIA, about how to handle this type of information campaign. The "north Korean troops have been pulled" crowd made the leak.
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 31 2025 15:14 utc | 2
Time to repost:
Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie.I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened.
I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’.
George Orwell, Looking back on the Spanish War, Chapter 4
Posted by: Exile | Jan 31 2025 15:29 utc | 3
It's like two occasionally parallel tracks: the domain of actual motions in physical reality, versus the realm of contrived (RAND-driven, in this case) alternative narrative. In general, regarding the most vital aspects of human existence, we overwhelmingly prefer contrived narrative to hard reality. The real world seems intolerably senseless at times -- as the universe never signed a contract to explain itself. Reality is uncomfortable, difficult to figure out; while prepared narrative invariably ties up all the explanations in fresh wrapping with a neat bow.
In this case contrived Koreans have been deployed, then withdrawn, from the Russian front with Ukraine, while actual Koreans have been home eating pizza. Though the imaginary story entirely collapses as it fails to cohere, it's probably much more historically significant than the one with Koreans back home in Korea.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 31 2025 15:41 utc | 4
CIA is very powerful. They can Make North Korean units appear and disappear at will. /sarc
Posted by: Grey Cloud | Jan 31 2025 15:41 utc | 5
The role of the S Korean MOD should not be ignored in this. They too have claimed to have evidence of NK troops in Russia.
About the time of the first NK troop story SK sent pilots and F-16s to Romania, so the story was used by SK and other Europeans to support the idea that Nato and Nato friendly countries intervening was reasonable and not tantamount to provoking nuclear war.
Then the MOD chief (a recently appointed old school friend of the President) called for Martial Law sending the request straight to the President and not informing the Prime Minister. He says there was a genuine threat from NK. Everyone else says there was a genuine threat of impeachment to the President unless the courts were blocked by a Martial Law process. [Note the military generally and the outgoing President are widely supposed to be controlled by the USA].
supporting SK domestic politics.
Posted by: Mickey Droy | Jan 31 2025 15:51 utc | 6
The "Paper of Record" became a propaganda rag some time ago. But there are no shortage of people -- especially the political elite and those in academia -- who accept everything the NYTimes says as gospel. All the false narratives get lapped up by uncritical minds that become thoroughly brainwashed with all the CIA PSYOPS required to make them behave properly.
It has become almost impossible for me to have any sort of conversation that goes beyond the weather with the NYTimes True Believers, because they KNOW they are right. After all, they read it in the NYTimes.
Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 31 2025 15:52 utc | 7
I don't get the big deal.
I heard it was only the Korean Catering Corp that was deployed?
https://i.postimg.cc/FztZzPVg/c1171c4e-fcfa-4c16-9c49-829dcf0fd2f9.jpg
Posted by: fleischwurst | Jan 31 2025 15:56 utc | 9
BTW, I love the accidental portmanteau Cianyt. For quick relief of geopolitical ED.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 31 2025 16:01 utc | 10
The "Paper of Record" became a propaganda rag some time ago. ***
Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 31 2025 15:52 utc | 7
The NYT has never attoned for the sins of Walter Duranty
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 31 2025 16:04 utc | 11
CIA's after sales service is a new thing.
And it's quite a sight ; the burial of a dead fake news in the NYT graveyard of infotainment. Did they put the 404 and UPA Flags on it's grave ? Is there a lot of flowers and the photos the fallen soldiers of Best Korea's Glorious Leader ?
Dear B ; you made my day ^^.
Posted by: Savonarole | Jan 31 2025 16:06 utc | 12
Tabloid announces two married celebrities are heading to divorce. After enough headlines, tabloid announces they've reconciled.
Seems to me like the government PR people learn from their fellow professionals in the tabloids.
That said, I am sure that DPRK observers and possibly trainers/trainees are present in Ukraine. But that of course has never been what Ukraine and US media have been claiming.
Good follow-up to a good post. Kudos.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 31 2025 16:07 utc | 13
[email protected] anyone, no names mentioned, actually proved publicly that foreign mercenaries, and not foreign tourists on military safaris have been in the Ukrainian fighting pits......I take the Russians at their word, but they have let so many killers walk free I begin to wonder, whom is fighting what. And they even give mass killers a free pass sending a drone, "wink wink" we see you......to frighten them?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 31 2025 16:09 utc | 14
The "yellow peril" is always there in a particular tonality/servility of "journalism."
Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 31 2025 16:09 utc | 15
There's a lot of chatter about North Koreans in Ukraine, in the Kyiv Post here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2025 16:10 utc | 16
Now that the "beacon of truth & democracy" NYT reported that "NK troops" are out, than we won't need to see this stupid propaganda any further. I will take the win as it was already tiresome to read the same garbage weekly with imaginary soldiers. Let's how fast these "stories" get memory holed like the ones related to Ethiopians, Indians, Nepalis did.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jan 31 2025 16:19 utc | 17
at a certain point in time the pravda of the west - nyt/wapo and etc - will cease to exist.. there is that..
Posted by: james | Jan 31 2025 16:26 utc | 18
From one fountain of bs to the next, wonder what the next sideshow will be?
Quite happy they haven't succeeded at nuclear provocation yet.
Good lord do we need to do something about this mess of "leadership" currently running this shit show. Some serious consequences for serious stupidity are badly and urgently
Needed in north america and europe.
Come on back common sense and decency, you are so desperately missed
Posted by: Northern Savage | Jan 31 2025 16:32 utc | 19
From one fountain of bs to the next, wonder what the next sideshow will be?
Quite happy they haven't succeeded at nuclear provocation yet.
Good lord do we need to do something about this mess of "leadership" currently running this shit show. Some serious consequences for serious stupidity are badly and urgently
Needed in north america and europe.
Come on back common sense and decency, you are so desperately missed
Posted by: Northern Savage | Jan 31 2025 16:32 utc | 20
The "Chew Pork Slymes" rag has been under full Talmudist control for well over a century. Their lies and obfuscations have accelerated in recent years as mass-media in general and that rag along with the WaPo in particular have steadily bleeding off circulation levels at a matching accelerating pace.
A recent article posted by Global Research pointed out that President Trump has shitcanned the polite lies of previous administrations. His bluntness and quick cut to the chase, indicates that mealy-mouthed opinions in the psychosphere are fast going outta fashion. To call a spade a spade is now an operative form of communication. Talmudism is the enemy of general humanity and is even regarded as a problem by righteous individuals of Jewish heritage.
The great spiritual teacher, Jesus, called them out as the "Synagog of Satan". Look it up. It's right there in the Bible.
Posted by: arestodemos | Jan 31 2025 16:44 utc | 21
@20,
There is a new "administration" running US right now, many hoped that common sense and decency would return. Let's just say that so far, that has not been the case.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jan 31 2025 16:52 utc | 22
Peremetr@1552 Jan 31
Some 20 years ago, I began receiving copies of "all the news that fit, we print" from a friend who had been a copy-editor in Manhattan for about that same stretch of time. A good Trotskyite, often tangling with Louis Proyect, my friend was a devoticated absorber of that insider rag. My interest in the publication soon veered off any and all their propaganda memes into daily devotion to their excellent crossword puzzles. Some folks buy it for literary and theater reviews.
Those features are about all that the Slymes is worth...as their circulation figures continue to plummet. About the only people who devoutly absorb their shit are those who brag their virtue signaling as sporting a tail after their surnames. The tail is tripartite. B.S. M.S. and more of the same, albeit Piled Higher and Dryer. There are no "authorities"...doesn't matter how many letters tail along with your surname. Academia has been on a steady downward spiral since at least 1962 when I began to do hard time at the University of Manysnowta.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2025 16:57 utc | 23
Aleph_Null@1451 Jan the last day
Not so sure about Koreans enjoying pizza...maybe in the Little Korea enclave in LaLaLand. Both sides of my kinfolk sport Korean DNA relatives. They do eat pizza on occasion but prefer Kim Chi. In Seoul City, pizza is likely nothing more than an occasional dive into Western food infatuations.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2025 17:04 utc | 24
Ukraine Weekly Update, 31st January 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-786
Posted by: The Busker | Jan 31 2025 17:04 utc | 25
Northern Savage@1507 Jan 31
Canukistani Broadcasting System. Oh for the good old daze when CBW presented the likes of Peter Gzoski and Alan Maitland. At least those guys were entertaining, informative and pleasantly amusing. I could only imagine the shitstained stenographers currently on Canuckistan's airwaves.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2025 17:10 utc | 26
It's funny that the Pentagoons have adopted the Ayn Rand Institute as their think tank and favoured wordsmiths. Ayn Rand was an off-the-wall kook. But she was shit hot at painting word pictures and conveying resonant moods.
So it's amusing that the semi-literate folks at the ARI didn't notice Ayn's literary skills and became mesmerised by her kooky pseudo-philosphy.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 31 2025 17:14 utc | 27
CIA funds 90% of Ukrainian media, who are completely reliant on US media grants, and Ukrainian media produces stories that CIA wants them to.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2025 17:20 utc | 29
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2025 17:04 utc | 24
Koreatown here in LA is alive and well with the traditional fare. The banchan, soondubu jjigae, and bibimbap restaurants far outnubmber the pizza joints. All the signage is pretty much in Korean and the kids speak the language. There are a lot of El Salvadoran pupusas and Mexican taco establishments, though. Kim chi tacos are a fav here. It is nice to eat a few on Wilshire to the soundtrack K-pop and Norteños coming out of passing cars and the rants of the crazed homeless when one needs a snack.
Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 31 2025 17:24 utc | 30
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 31 2025 16:04 utc | 11 It seems very odd to me to blast the NYT as insufficiently anti-Communist. Duranty as Stalinist propagandist is very much a Ukrainian fascist meme in my view.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 31 2025 17:44 utc | 32
Now if everyone would just shove those phoney Iranian drones so far up their butts they can taste them....
Posted by: nook | Jan 31 2025 17:46 utc | 33
I suspect one of the reasons, as reported by MoA previously is that the Ukranian press is no longer receiving "foreign aid" to print their stories. The threee month ban may well lengthen. There is no longer any financial motivation to report lies.
Posted by: pipedream | Jan 31 2025 18:45 utc | 34
This clip of a supposedly Korean POW https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1881265573599801381 is not real. I repeat, it's not real.
Ukraine has a long and disputed history of simulating video and audio clips using AI and machine learning. This "Korean" person was probably not even there. The only unbiased sources of information are Russian Telegram channels and strana.news.
Posted by: AI_Revenger | Jan 31 2025 18:52 utc | 35
Perhaps, just perhaps, as a pre-pre-condition, to real negotiations Russia has decided that the US and vassals must stop lying to their respective publics.
A radical turn of events for sure.
Posted by: Foot Me Twice... | Jan 31 2025 18:55 utc | 36
Merdias following the ppp lies say that the NK troops went away because of massive casualties.
ppp is for penis piano player.
By the way another lie. One cannot play piano with a so small "instrument".
Posted by: Naive | Jan 31 2025 19:02 utc | 37
'Infor-mation laundering' is rampant in country 404 and much more so in the US of A.
Posted by: pepe | Jan 31 2025 19:14 utc | 38
The secret power of the N Korean special ops soldiers remains that they can make themselves invisible.
They cannot be beaten.
N Korea has absolutely lapped all the trillions of military R&D all the US Agencies are up to.
Move over AI swarms, netcentric remote controlled vehicles and drones, ubiquitous surveillance, ordinary troops and ordinance. All of it is useless against invisible agents of infiltration and conquest.
Posted by: Webej | Jan 31 2025 19:25 utc | 39
Gaslighting
I knew this was gaslighting after hearing all the dumb reasons why Ukraine does not have any N. Korean POWs (or bodies). 'They blow themselves up before being captured' 'Russian soldiers deface their bodies (rather than ship them back home). Sure; godless, communists, who believe in no afterlife, incinerate themselves rather than be captured.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jan 31 2025 19:29 utc | 40
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jan 31 2025 19:29 utc | 40
I remember hearing in late 2022 and 2023 that the AFU (Azov and other nazis most likely) be-headed died western mercenaries to conceal their identity in the conflict. So this is direct projection from the AFU activities.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2025 19:35 utc | 41
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jan 31 2025 19:29 utc | 40
Anyone with half a functional brain and a map knew how absurd the whole story was.
Not that i needed this story to confirm that quite too many here in the west lack both.
Posted by: kspr | Jan 31 2025 19:44 utc | 42
The "news" coming from Ukraine is now revealed as US paid-for propaganda.
Next up, the US mainsteam media repeated that, knowing full well what it was.
Those who once trusted the US media now must be won back, and I don't see how they can do it after such sustained lies told toward such evil ends of mass murder, in Ukraine, in Gaza, and in other places too.
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jan 31 2025 19:44 utc | 43
...say that the NK troops went away because of massive casualties.
Posted by: Naive | Jan 31 2025 19:02 utc | 37
The only "winning" they have is against an enemy that doesn't exist... #TheImaginaryWar
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jan 31 2025 19:47 utc | 44
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2025 17:18 utc | 28
LOL Definitely not staged, probably what you think about these other 2 right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUzruGhBVpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wrZ9kg4sIY
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jan 31 2025 19:51 utc | 45
The best explanation for not finding NK troops is given by the supreme leader himself.
Imagine how much coke you need to take to come up with this:
“They burn their faces. They burn their faces themselves. For those who cannot escape, the wounded or the dead. There is video evidence. Everything I am telling you has proof. They do this to keep them unidentified.
https://x.com/sotanews/status/1876227630233526719
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Jan 31 2025 19:57 utc | 46
Always the Russians are portrayed as sending troops to their fate, when it is really both sides. What is the first thing a N. Korean will think when he sees a field full of grass? He will think "lunch" , and the Russians know this which is why they don't release the NK troops near their own mined areas. However I don't think they release them on purpose towards enemy mines either, they just let them amble off in the general direction of the enemy.
The rest is quite obvious, it is winter and the grass is under snow or mud, so the NK troops have migrated south somewhere, or even and this is pure speculation, they might have been provided straw. Though readers might find it unbelievable the agencies do keep track of troop movements this way. High res sat imagery can pick out a North Korean in a haystack at night in the most clouded of conditions.
This would also fit with the training talked of. A change of diet and bales of straw set as waypoints is a simple and effective formula.
To those who refuse to see a North Korean when he is a long way away, I think it is probably a form of racism. How do you know it isn't a congregation of North Koreans and not Russians ? The answer is that you don't know, and so the bias is dicriminatory, pure and simple.
I leave you all to reflect on these simple truths and perhaps even to correct any false preconceptions which our media with great effort has gone out of its way to help portray.
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Posted by: Ornot | Jan 31 2025 20:02 utc | 47
Odd how the CIA and the New York Times decided to put this narrative about the DPRK's non-existent involvement in Russia's SMO to bed about the same time that USAID grant money dried up for the various media organisations in Kyiv once Trump signed the executive order freezing foreign aid grants for 90 days.
One supposes that the RAND thinktank analyst who dreamt up this narrative about NK soldiers in Russia got his grant money in RAND's annual budget secured at least, until the next time he has to renew his application. Then the stories might start up again.
Ultimately this narrative and other narratives about aspects of the war in Ukraine revolve around who can get the most taxpayer money to feather his or her own nest, regardless of the consequences that may arrive.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 31 2025 20:02 utc | 48
Truth is the first casualty of war. The globalist cabal - the 'Fagan sect' whomever the f*ck they are, despite the sickening pretense of respectability, are the worst bunch of liars and death-mongers. That obscene faganite cokehead Zelensky and his entourage of deranged arseholes are just a sick joke. The committee of Blackrock investors and corporate Slitherin faggots from the likes of Cargill and Monsanto etc., are a blight on humanity, caring nothing about condemning an entire people to death and destitution. Motherfuckers all. God, in his mercy, is helping Russia prevail and overcome this insidious evil. Slava Russia! Uuuraahh!
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Jan 31 2025 20:02 utc | 49
Ed Bernays @ 45:
You should send those links to The Sun, the source of the "info" posted by Don Bacon @ 28. I'm sure that Murdoch online rag would post those videos on its Youtube channel and pass them off as real without questioning you.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 31 2025 20:11 utc | 50
Edward Bernays @ 46:
Sickening as Zelensky's lies are, they are of some value as admissions of guilt (via projection) of what Ukrainians themselves have done to foreign mercenaries and to their own soldiers who retreat from frontlines for whatever reasons.
That Zelensky would blurt all this out is probably as much a sign of desperation that all his scheming for more money is failing, as it might be of hallucinating or whatever other side effects of cocaine abuse he is suffering from.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 31 2025 20:20 utc | 51
So... who's losing, who's winning ?
U.S. last 12 months. Debt increased $3.80 for every $1.00 increase of GDP.
Now, that my friend is Diversified Math. If they keep shoveling in more coal, they're going to smother the fire.
But, not to worry, America's best bombastic Bullsheeter is on the case.
Condos in Gaza Graveyard anyone?
Posted by: kupkee | Jan 31 2025 21:04 utc | 52
Who needs North Koreans now that Putin has activated the Guards Sasquatch Brigade of elusive, hairy giants?
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 31 2025 21:24 utc | 53
Daily DS map update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4383200/32.0526800
Overall: Another slow day for the RFA, typical of JAN, at 11.8 kmsq taken. This is less than DEC (14/day) or NOV recent record of 23/day.
Gains at S to N:
1. Rivnopil. This is a bit to the W of Velyka Nova. At the Donetsk/Zhap oblast border. Quiet front for a long time. Have to see if it progresses more.
2. Rozdolne: A bit to the E of VN town.
3. N of Yantarne (in the Dachne pocket). Very small, and fields.
4. SW of Petropavlivka (towards the Andriivka "paratroopers").
5. Udachne: near Pokrovsk left flank. Very small, but reversing a recent UFA reversal and taking the nibble back. Clearly both sides see this area as important and are contesting it.
6. Baranivka: near Pokrovsk right flank. Less significant than 5, but still a useful shaping operation.
7. Novomlynsk: This is another (!) Oskil River crossing. A bit to the N of Dvorichna. Very insignificant "town" (more like a single street, but significant with the river crossing. There is now sort of a salient of UFA control between the two RFA crossings. I would expect the RFA to try to close this so the two crossings protect each other.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 31 2025 21:30 utc | 54
Nice and early today. Good little Deep State. Let's keep it fresh in FEB!
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 31 2025 21:31 utc | 55
The North Koreans were replaced by Cuban troops- and members of the Mexican cartel and Al Nusra- all disguised as expat Japanese living in Southeast Asia. Oh how cunning are those Russkies. They must have learned it all from MI-6
Posted by: axel | Jan 31 2025 21:33 utc | 56
It seems very odd to me to blast the NYT as insufficiently anti-Communist. Duranty as Stalinist propagandist is very much a Ukrainian fascist meme in my view.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 31 2025 17:44 utc | 32
Maybe, but from a revisionist perspective. During Duranty reporting, which led to his Pulitzer, Ukraine, as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, was only a few years old and Bandera was almost still a boy. As far as what I have said about Duranty, he has "sins". His sins are contrary to journalistic integrity, if that is even a thing (It is not). So the NYT has been putrid rot shilling for US government power for far longer that most realize.
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 31 2025 21:47 utc | 57
@ aristodemos | Jan 31 2025 17:04 utc | 24
My bad. Kim chi will light up your mouth and conquer the world, eventually subsuming every palate to Korean values... yum yum! Especially recommended for anyone with digestive troubles, to me kim chi sauce is the pinnacle, the masterpiece of cultured-food deliciousness. Maybe a little taste as an appetizer, or a side-dish, and your liver will love you.
What do Korean troops do, with a fresh supply of cianyt to enjoy with their kim chi, returning to barracks they never left? Contingent reality gets trickier to track all the time.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 31 2025 21:51 utc | 58
If there really were 11K NKSOF troops at the front Kieve would be in Russian hands by now........so much CIA MI6 nonsense......
Yet another failed false flag......more to come however as the UAF forces disintegrate before our very eyes.....
Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 31 2025 21:54 utc | 59
{.. Korean cuisine ..}
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 31 2025 21:51 utc | 58
is this poetry or an outcrop of madness? both?
Posted by: MAKK | Jan 31 2025 22:01 utc | 60
So the NYT has been putrid rot shilling for US government power for far longer that most realize.
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 31 2025 21:47 utc | 57
In the early 30's the charm offensive through the NYT et als was to normalize and idolize Communism and National Socialism so that similar "modern" government solutions could bring the US out of the depression. The result was the depression era violence to the constitional prohibition against a national police power through the mutilation of the commerce clause and taxation for "general welfare" rather than enumerated reasons. The result is the leviathan we now have, which destabilizes governments throughout the world on a whim.
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 31 2025 22:04 utc | 61
@ sean the leprechaun | Jan 31 2025 16:09 utc | 14
You might have a point, I'm not sure. The distinction between "mercenaries" and "tourists on military safari" is entirely subjective -- in the eye of the beholder, you know? -- so the presence of the former would be impossible to prove to someone not sharing your categorization. Your question can only be rhetorical -- along the lines of an observation that the fog of war arises from both sides of this conflict: from NATO and from RF.
I guess so, but the NATO fog seems deliberately foggier to me. Take Yuzhmash (please!) There's no question "Western" leaders know full well what kind of destruction was wrought on that missile factory by the Oreshnik test-strike. But we get noting but fog, withholding the evidence, from their side. Putin, on the other hand, has said Oreshnik darts turn their targets to dust. We can believe him or not. Apparently Russians don't care about spin.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 31 2025 22:22 utc | 63
How about a little TGIF conspiracy theory peddling for the western world?...
A few years ago, at a conference hosted by- let's call them- the premiere digital electrical systems protection company- was bragging about their involvement in the blackout response in Ukraine... The presenters were caught off guard when their time was up; this person was next in line to ask a question.
Several years later, in 2022; how shall I phrase this... The only thing that caught any "power engineer" 'worth his salt' by surprise was the fact that it took that unholy Security Council so long to involve itself in that civil war.
Posted by: adh | Jan 31 2025 22:59 utc | 64
Slightly off topic but all this amazement about the Chinese Deep Seek AI may be a bit premature. Type in its search box
‘Why did Russia invade Ukraine’ then tell me if this AI wonder is worthy of trust.
Posted by: John G | Jan 31 2025 23:03 utc | 65
Tangentially related: Elon Musk accelerates disintegration of the USA.
Posted by: kspr | Jan 31 2025 23:05 utc | 66
It's very very hard to believe than Kim Jong Un would send any of his troops to Ukraine, esp. with on-going turmoil in S. Korea.
The Russian Federation does have ethnoi with black hair and narrow eyes (Tatars in Tatarstan, Kalmuks in Kalmukia, eg.) Some of them might be serving in Ukraine in the Russian army. But they are not Koreans.
Posted by: lester | Jan 31 2025 23:17 utc | 67
Posted by: John G | Jan 31 2025 23:03 utc | 65
I am sure you are well aware about the following:
-The actual DeepSeek model is open source
-There are several other 'distills' of 'western' LLM, e.g. Llama
-Whatever filtering/censorship happens, it is performed on the model's output by some kind of supervising system (in other terms: the model itself is not 'censored')
In conclusio: host the thingy yourself, learn how to circumvent the filters ('jailbreak'), or switch your provider to one that does not filter the model's output.
That being said i am thankful you came up with something new. All the other sinophobe chauvinists are hyper focused on asking these models about Tiananmen.
I take this as conceding defeat, because so far DeepSeek outcompetes the western models on most benchmarks.
Posted by: kspr | Jan 31 2025 23:22 utc | 68
John G, Russia has never invaded The Ukraine.
So, wrong question.
Posted by: merkin scot | Jan 31 2025 23:27 utc | 69
Off-topic, but I stopped by MoA today to see if my name was still being co-opted by the Israeli Unit 8200 cyber-commando sockmuppet. And I've confirmed that this is either a complete lunatic or someone (or a group of people) actually getting paid some paltry sum in shekels (or conscripted) to troll sites like MoA, FAIR.org and other sites with loosely moderated comment sections.
Just today I found "myself" commenting at FAIR and another blog I frequent and it's always the same tone, tenor and remedial (or being generous, intermediate) usage of the English language. I suspect Hebrew was her mother's tongue. If it's just some rando doing this, stealing mine and others' names, I'd be surprised at this point. I give them credit for their consistency, and the pros have software that they can use to easily scrape and track users online.
See: Article at FAIR about Tom Friedman (NYT's Orientalist Secretary of State for "humanity).
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 31 2025 23:34 utc | 70
Posted by: Elber | Jan 31 2025 23:36 utc | 71
Breaking
https://www.rt.com/news/611999-trump-russia-serious-discussions/
Posted by: https://www.rt.com/n | Jan 31 2025 23:42 utc | 72
Posted by: https://www.rt.com/n | Jan 31 2025 23:42 utc | 72
sorry; I made the poster
Posted by: Elber | Jan 31 2025 23:45 utc | 73
Truth is the first casualty of war. [...]
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Jan 31 2025 20:02 utc | 49
I beg to differ: first, they torture logic. But among the dead, truth may be both first and last, being killed by historians.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 1 2025 0:09 utc | 74
at a certain point in time the pravda of the west - nyt/wapo and etc - will cease to exist.. there is that..
Posted by: james | Jan 31 2025 16:26 utc | 18
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Pravda on the Hudson, Izvestia on the Anacostia, I beg to differ.
As long as they can make payroll they will be pushing their 'merchandise.' My understanding is that there was a gross underestimate of the presence of NK troops, more like 100,000. /s
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 1 2025 0:40 utc | 75
This seems to have been timed to align with the South Korean President's triggering of hostilities with North Korea (the North Korean's did not react to the overflights of drones etc. as they were supposed to) and his failed coup. So now this attempted psy op is being retired. To be quickly forgotten and memory-holed.
Interesting also that Trump's Whitehouse also debunked the US drone psy op with the truth that they were US government drones.
Seems that the collective Biden were working really hard to get some kind of larger conflict started before Trump took office. We are lucky that they failed and should be thankful to the South Korean leadership.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 1 2025 0:46 utc | 76
An important angle to the N. Korean troop psyop was to facilitate Yoon's attempt to declare marshal law. As we learned from various sources in the S. Korean govt after the failed coup, a special military force was to be dressed up as North Koreans and tasked with assassinating S. Korea politicians, and N. Korean was to be blamed for drone attacks. All of that never panned out, but the purpose was to open up another front on Russia in the east, near China, and for the US to assert greater control over S. Korea's levers of power and mobilization.
Posted by: Mastameta | Feb 1 2025 1:01 utc | 77
At some point there is going to be a memorial and tomb of the Unkown North Korean Soldier...
Posted by: Kaiama | Feb 1 2025 1:04 utc | 78
@ Acco Hengst | Feb 1 2025 0:40 utc | 75
right, lol... and of course nyt, wapo and friends are on the usaid payroll too! folks gotta eat...
Posted by: james | Feb 1 2025 1:06 utc | 79
@Perimetr #7
Nobody cares about the PMC/Deep State dumbfucks - they can yammer away in their own bubble all the want.
The problem is that Americans over the age of 55 (i.e. the Boomers) grew up with the notion that the mainstream media - NYT and what not - were real information sources.
Unfortunately, I don't think those people are going to change their minds.
We just have to wait for them to die off.
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2025 1:23 utc | 80
@james #18
You are incredibly optimistic.
Perhaps you are not aware that the eponymous Pravda actually still exists and has readers: Pravda.Ru
And yes, this is the actual Pravda; the original setup was split between the government part and the journalists; pravda.ru is the descendant of the journalist half.
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2025 1:28 utc | 81
@ c1ue | Feb 1 2025 1:28 utc | 81
yes, i am optimistic like rubio and the new admin is optimistic! the 21st century belongs to america!! the usa is back again!!
On-the-Record Briefing on Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s First Trip to the Western Hemisphere
that is the first usa state press briefing under the new admin...
actually i thought pravda was still going, but wasn't sure... we now have a usa version.. that is all i am suggesting..
Posted by: james | Feb 1 2025 1:34 utc | 82
BREAKING
Putin personally trained secret special operations divers brigade consisting of 3845.6 North Koreans to cut underwater cables in the Baltic Sea.
According to sources speaking anonymously due to the sensitivity of the issue the brigade will be accompanied by several specially trained Iranian AI dolphins. NATO is monitoring the situation closely. Developing story... we will keep you posted as soon as the Chinese killer garlic joins the underwater gang.
Posted by: Zet | Feb 1 2025 1:43 utc | 83
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 1 2025 0:46 utc | 76
I work with people who are former USAF and USN aviators/techs and program managers. They spent a good 20 minutes (I mean wasted) in one of our weekly "Zoom" meetings the other day ranting about this, and they believe that the "research" was actually geared at gauging how the public would react to these drone swarms (ala Jade Helm), as well as, of course, a few actual capability tests by DARPA (hence the previous regime played stupid and the present one won't name any actual program acronyms, meaning top secret: even the program names/acronyms are secret - for whatever that's worth). They also believe that a bunch of local people and police departments added to the furor by sending up lots of drones of their own just to see WTF was going on. When one of the idiot neocon Republican congresscritter said "Iranian mothership" I called bullshit, but a few people (morons) on the call are still convinced it was China or Iran.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2025 1:46 utc | 84
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 1 2025 0:46 utc | 76 Given the already existing control of ROK military by the US, it is self-contradictory to attribute the Yoon coup to the Biden White House. (Doubly true because it has never been explained by any apologist why any foreign government doesn't simply wait for the new boss and ignore the lame duck!) It is merely a falsification to attribute the initial defeat to the ROK leadership---which is Yoon, the perpetrator---rather than to the popular support of the woke mobs surrounding the parliament building. Apparently geopolitical expertise means shameless buffoonery.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 1 2025 1:46 utc | 85
BREAKING
US President Donald Trump has grounded all civilian aviation in the wake of the back-to-back accidents so that a full DEI audit can be carried out on all holders of commercial and private pilots licenses.
/s
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2025 1:47 utc | 86
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2025 1:23 utc | 80 The contrast between the NYT and Post on this are essential to the original post. The Post is MSM which makes this comment vapid trolling of outsiders not in the MoA commentariat bubble. The silence of other MSM like Fox News on this is also worthy of comment, even if our host passed on the opportunity.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 1 2025 1:49 utc | 87
@Ornot #47
You have chosen a really barren field at MoA to be peddling your garbage.
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2025 2:31 utc | 88
@james #82
That's funny, because I have been thinking, all this time, that the notion that the US could be world hegemon was optimistic...and that the US going back to its sphere of influence/interest is realistic.
As for the NYT/WaPo being Pravda: that is an insult to Pravda. Pravda never pretended to be anything than what it is: an organ of the Soviet government. Everybody knew what it was and took what it said, accordingly.
The NYT and WaPo, in contrast, cloak their bullshit in the mantle of journalistic integrity.
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2025 2:35 utc | 89
Hmmm given that the post is only 10 lines - the "steven t johnson #87" is clearly a name hijacker and should be banned immediately.
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2025 2:37 utc | 90
@ c1ue | Feb 1 2025 2:35 utc | 89
okay.. that is the last time i pick on pravda, when i really want to pick on nyt/wapo, lol...
Posted by: james | Feb 1 2025 2:39 utc | 91
now that trump is in power, steve johnson is leaning on the side of brevity... a little levity would help...
Posted by: james | Feb 1 2025 2:42 utc | 92
Good to see that the best pans of ice and men (aka biden regency) sometimes fail.
The idea was to give a reason for SK to, after a nice "democratic saving" coup, couud send means and men to ukraine to fight the dastardly north korean untermensch.
Democracy has take a blow and things have to be re-written :D
Posted by: Newbie | Feb 1 2025 2:58 utc | 93
Removal of NKorean troop story, deep missile strikes into Russia stopped and Europe talking of Russian gas again all point to project Ukraine winding down. Only question of intrest, does Russia get Odessa before the freeze.
Wonder the reaction of Ukraine people when they finally realise how they were used
UK what cards left?. False flags not easy with new US president
What no "Ghosts of Korea"?
I'm still waiting for footage of hundreds of dead Warner operatives from the so called "Battle of Khasham".
Posted by: Suresh | Feb 1 2025 4:04 utc | 95
Breaking News: All US DEI military personnels offered PMC roles in Ukraine.
Allegedly.
Posted by: Suresh | Feb 1 2025 4:12 utc | 96
Roger Boyd | Feb 1 2025 0:46 utc | 76
timed to align with the South Korean President's triggering of hostilities with North Korea (the North Korean's did not react to the overflights of drones etc. as they were supposed to) and his failed coup. So now this attempted psy op is being retired. To be quickly forgotten and memory-holed.
Yep.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 1 2025 4:19 utc | 97
Lmao. Wikipedia top page. Syrian Rebel activated after USA invaded Iraq https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_al-Sharaa
Posted by: Boardindundee | Feb 1 2025 4:22 utc | 98
@Newbie #93
Is that "best plans" or "bed pans" that you meant to say? With Biden, it could be either lol
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2025 4:23 utc | 99
kspr | Jan 31 2025 23:05 utc | 66
my speculation - this may be a 'work-around' to the possibility that Tulsi Gabbard will be denied.
Posted by: fanto | Feb 1 2025 4:49 utc | 100
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Bullshit springs eternal
Just love hearing morons repeat their daily dose of bs. But cbc told me so....lol
Posted by: Northern Savage | Jan 31 2025 15:07 utc | 1