Several recent presidents have pardoned some real scoundrels on their way out the door – Bush Sr. to Casper Weinberger when Iran-Contra was ready to blow up in his face. Clinton let several folks off the hook. Bush Jr. and Obama have their wonderful choices too. It’s endemic. No surprise.

Posted by: Ledovik1 | Dec 2 2024 16:48 utc | 104

Posted by: Marduk | Dec 2 2024 13:52 utc | 66
Under the US system a person pleading pardon loses their 5th amendment protection against self incrimination and can be compelled under penalty of contempt to testify.

Posted by: Badjoke | Dec 2 2024 17:02 utc | 106

“Loving his son is one of Joe Biden’s redeeming features as an individual person.”
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 2 2024 15:25 utc | 82
Such an absurd statement I spit out my coffee guffawing.
No, numb nuts , Crooked Joe is pardoning his no good son to save his own ass; period!!

Posted by: canuck | Dec 2 2024 17:14 utc | 108

“Heard from someone this morning that Biden will probably pardon Trump too. No idea how accurate.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 2 2024 15:47 utc | 90
If I were Biden I would pardon myself-it is legal.
In 1974, the unelected Gerald Ford, then the VP, made a deal with Nixon that if he resigned Ford would pardon him-and he did.
It cost Ford the 1976 election which he lost to Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 2 2024 17:17 utc | 110

“Why Did Joe Biden Pardon His Son?” Why not? What else are pardon powers for? Good family members help each other out. Normal people are not isolated predators like scorpions or crocodiles!

Posted by: lester | Dec 2 2024 17:23 utc | 112

Great thing for our side, exposing the Dems as the scum that they are…Now Biden will be deluged with pardon requests from other rats in DC…..

Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 2 2024 17:25 utc | 114

I have the impression that some Ukrainian oligarchs have a lot of leverage against Biden & son. This may be the real reason why the USA is being pulled through the nose ring by Ukraine.
With Trump’s victory, sheer panic now seems to have broken out. Plan A was probably to let the Ukraine war escalate to the brink of World War 3, which apparently failed thanks to Oreshnik. Since Syria and Georgia are also only of limited geopolitical relevance, Biden probably has no choice but to pardon his son.
I suspect that there is a lot going on that can only be speculated about. At least the good thing about it is that the Ukrainian oligarchs have been deprived of their leverage (whatever it was).

Posted by: xblob | Dec 2 2024 17:28 utc | 116

Why Did Joe Biden Pardon His Son?

Because corrupt, soulless pedophiles tend to look out for one another?

Posted by: Jax | Dec 2 2024 17:29 utc | 118

First the charges against H. Biden were narrowed and lighted through plea and special consideration Biden’s Justice Dept employee, Merik Garland [& staff] to minimize the scope and media notoriety, hence the need for the broadness of the pardon.
“A Full and Unconditional Pardon; For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024, including but not limited to all offenses charged or prosecuted…”
This pardon doesn’t just protect Hunter, it protects Garland and many others in the justice department as well as other Biden Family Members/Associates. Clearly, Garland made sure that wording made it impossible for any further investigation under the guise that such investigations were “moot”. Also, it allows Garland and many others in the justice department as well as other Biden Family Members/Associates to sue for liable should their involvement in related crimes be published.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2024 17:44 utc | 120

Lots of brouhaha about the Bribem Crime, Genocide, and Pederasty Consortium pardon, but so far not much about Chris Heinz who was one of Hunter’s partners in the Ukraine swindle. Chris is, as many know, the stepson of that bastion of righteousness John Kerry, who swore, as a soldier and “public servant” to preserve protect uphold the US Constitution, but who now says that the First Amendment interferes with effective dictating, I mean “governing.” Chris no doubt is not as heinous a criminal as Hunter – no one could be, but it’s interesting nevertheless that Kerrystein had enough moula and clout to keep the kid out of the purple press.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Dec 2 2024 17:49 utc | 122

The Western oligarchs and their courtiers have been plundering Ukraine for decades now, with a big chunk of “aid for Ukraine” coming back in suitcases. All paths that lead to the dirty dealings have to be closed before Trump gets in, hence the pardon. Ukraine is a festering swamp of corruption, as is Washington DC.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 2 2024 17:57 utc | 124

Clearly not only the Bidens but the entire Democrat Party hasn’t learned their lesson yet. They need to be taught again, more harshly this time.

Posted by: Fastball | Dec 2 2024 18:06 utc | 126

Hegemon is bringing out its sharpest tools
not the usual run of the mill hazbots
The tactic flooding X is the father son appeal.
It’s very clever
Once posted many in the thread are drawn in.
ping a tiny divide.
All my flags are telling me the Biden/Burisma/Ukraine connection is hiding explosive secrets for much bigger players.

Posted by: ld | Dec 2 2024 18:09 utc | 128

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 2 2024 16:07 utc | 94 Speed does not temporarily cure advanced dementia. This is either a shameless lie or religious piety defying facts. Pay no attention to this Trumper trash.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 16:34 utc | 102 True apologetics find the most pompous abstract so-called reasons to justify BS like thatin the OP or in @94. The problem here is that the so-called self-aggrandizement charge? Pretend for a moment such a thing negates claims of so-called love? Having children is self-aggrandizement, an attempt at vicarious immortality! Thus there is no such thing a parental love according to this desperate defender of the OP’s twaddle, making it a failed argument. The pretended argument about removing responsibility? If it was a legitimate principle, it would imply anything less than maximum sentences do the same. Pardons, paroles, suspended sentences, probation, all are exercises in diminishing the defenders moral stature, while capital punishment in all its glory (including burning people at the stake) is the only justice, leaving this another failed argument. You can always come up with a phony but high sounding argument to condemn individuals (especially partisan enemies) which is one thing I reject about so-called wokism. Right wing woke isn’t any more honest, much less true.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 2 2024 17:14 utc | 111 Hunter Biden supposedly left proof in the laptop, but no one has managed to follow the money, not even when Trump was president. If Hunter had some other alleged proof that would lead to the money the question is why he didn’t extort the pardon earlier before he got ODed in a slip? Hell, the usual fallback position, that somehow other people are part of the Biden Crime Family and they have the money, means they would have had every reason to arrange an accident, in spite of Joe.
As to the implicit notion that a person can’t have any positive personal features if they’re a partisan enemy, that is just vicious and ignorant.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 2 2024 18:21 utc | 130

Does Joe even recognise him? The place is so corrupt it’s well nigh impossible to determine how or by whom power is wielded anymore.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 2 2024 18:26 utc | 132

@ steven t johnson | Dec 2 2024 18:21 utc | 133
Your painful contortions of reason and ethics can’t wish away the notion that one can both love one’s son and admit that one’s son should face justice.
Your occasional Marxist protestations notwithstanding, it becomes ever more obvious that you’re a cunning Dim Party shill.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 18:37 utc | 134

🤣🤣 Oops.. it should have read the Hunter SONG!!!
https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1863614549896610185/mediaviewer
Posted by: Mary | Dec 2 2024 16:21 utc | 100

Posted by: Mary | Dec 2 2024 18:41 utc | 136

The crimes alleged were only possible because of Hunter’s political ties to his father, and beyond that to Administration officials currying favor.
It follows that the prosecution was done in a way that would not happen to someone without that political position.
Still, I am glad he was pardoned. Now he does not have the 5th Amendment to hide what he knows about money flowing into the US from Ukraine and China, to “The Big Guy” and no doubt to many others.
Make him answer those questions.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Dec 2 2024 18:51 utc | 138

Wonder where that laptop is now?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 2 2024 18:54 utc | 140

The US is a banana republic!

Posted by: ostrr | Dec 2 2024 19:01 utc | 142

@ james | Dec 2 2024 19:07 utc | 146
Fair enough!

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 19:09 utc | 144

They brought shit charges against Hunter (massively trumped up) in order not to investigate the big stuff that he and his dad were invested in, especially in pre-war Ukraine. This is the exact subject of which Trump was impeached the second time BTW.
The shit charges were not politically damaging, even more so, it gave Biden a perfect chance to plead morality by promising he wont pardon his son – during the campaign. Now of course that promise has no obvious political gain so it is broken. He would have done that even if he won.
The pardon now gives Hunter immunity also for all those other issues I said above, which was the goal from the start. They removed one weak link in the evidence chain of how the Obama admin orchestrated pre-war Ukraine to become anti-Russia.

Posted by: alek_a | Dec 2 2024 19:23 utc | 146

Oh, but look what’s merely third — that Macron is preparing to use dictatorial powers to impose austerity in France, despite having lost the last election and the overwhelming majority of its parliament being opposed to both that and him.
Priorities?
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 2 2024 19:20 utc | 148
Just look at who is out and about again holding his head full of bullshit up high ?
Here:
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=62207
Austerity cultist Kenneth Rogoff no less. Using his fake spreadsheet to instruct France and Germany to impose severe austerity on themselves. Using all the usual myths.
That madman is a CIA asset. Shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near St Petersburg economic forum.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 2 2024 19:47 utc | 148

It seems to me that pardoning a son for real crimes committed by the son is not an act of love at all. First, it strips the son of his identity as responsible adult (what’s a good English equivalent for Mündigkeit? is there one?) Second, it’s an explicit acknowledgement that the son’s identity as fruit of the father’s loins outweighs any sense of justice the father or the son might have, or which the father should have taught the son. In essence, such a pardon is an act of self-aggrandizement…that in addition to any attempt to cover the tracks of any crimes the father may have committed.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 16:34 utc | 102
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Well said! Having been raised to adulthood in the Netherlands it agrees with every standard to which my generation would have been held. Their only option left to them is Geert Wilders.
Some fitting American quips:
Al Capone: The Government cannot stand the competition and wants to put us out of business.
Mel Brooks: ‘It is good to be the King.’

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 2 2024 19:53 utc | 150

The local tv news seems to say the Hunter Biden pardon is just a father forgiving his child, a child that made an error in an application form for buying a firearm.
No mention that Hunter Biden was on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 2 2024 20:01 utc | 152

Why did this happen now? Tradition has Presidents issuing pardons last week or even last day in office. That way the controversy gets buried in the inaugural hubbub.
Joe is dying. Too many injections of amphetamines to get him to the microphone. Or he is stumbling so badly they think they might be forced to give the big chair to Kamala any day.
This is the Hail Mary. Joe’s presidency is over. President Giggles gets to be first woman of color. She won’t be the first drunk or the first incompetent.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 2 2024 20:37 utc | 154

Article 68 of the French Constitution apparently provides for impeachment of the President. If Macron is so unpopular, why can he not be impeached?

Posted by: Lysias | Dec 2 2024 21:01 utc | 156

Posted by: Snowleopard | Dec 2 2024 20:50 utc | 158
sorry I did not see you already posted

Posted by: ld | Dec 2 2024 21:24 utc | 158

repetergrfstrm | Dec 2 2024 16:47 utc | 105
Of course I know that the attack on this woman was a feature not a bug of empire as I said in the post, when is the ordinary englander seemingly 100% absorbed in a tacky tabloid celebrity gossip gonna understand that? Anyone who followed the brexit farce quickly sussed that was about protecting england’s ability to continue to be the one-stop shop for the world’s tax-dodging, asset concealing elite and the pretense of ‘doin this for england’ was a furphy designed to win support whilst obscuring the true motive.
I lived in england for a few years once & it took about 5 minutes there to recognise that englanders have been induced into an arrangement where as long as everyone pretends the joint still rules the world – which it never did – then the masses will tolerate aristo excess. Something about glowing in the shadow I spose.
However that was 50 odd years ago; since then the pretense than england has any say in anything very much has worn extremely thin, thin to the point where increasing englanders see through it; hence the assertion “I wonder how long it will take for englanders to wake up & realise the high price they pay for keir starmer’s rabid zionism?”
england is a handy joint for the ultra rich to use to house wealth enablers cos the people there have been pumped so full of shit about everything from the real problems with the eu to ‘the royals’ – fair go, that is what they call that mob of over-entitled pedos – the royals. The mere fact that even the most sycophantic of the royals-loving media now treats ’em all as a single unit rather than the individuals who dominated the court pages in fishwraps 50 years ago tells us that their time is also getting short.
The only question is will england’s masses wake up sufficiently to force a sane culture on itself or will the delusional loons who claim to govern the joint & enable the elite from a weird place of knowing but not fully understanding, fall for their own BS so badly that they succeed in persuading another state to blow them off the face of the earth?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 2 2024 21:39 utc | 160

Joe probably doesn’t understand that now Hunter can be subpoenaed to testify against himself, without the 5th amendment right to refuse, since he cannot be punished for those crimes.
But you also point toward an interesting question: Has Hunter violated the bioweapons treaty? If so, is a treaty violation a federal crime or is it superior and not covered?
Posted by: Snowleopard | Dec 2 2024 20:50 utc | 158
As there is always an overlap between state and federal crimes, not to mention war crimes that other jurisdictions might judge if the us wont, or even connect to pre 2014 crimes?… Yes, he can still take the 5th.
Even very specific and targeted questions could be said to connect to per-existing criminal associations that would boomerang to him, so yes, a big 5th is still looming any investigation.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2024 22:00 utc | 162

“That would empty lots of prisons in the USA.”
We DO have the biggest jail population in the world!

Posted by: lester | Dec 2 2024 22:12 utc | 164

Biden is the POTUS and can pardon anyone he wants. He paid his dues over the decades and got the Presidency and it’s logical to pardon his son–I would have done the same thing. In the scheme of things it just doesn’t matter. Thousands die every day in US Wars around the world for the goal of complete domination of the entire planet–that’s a problem not this trivial shit.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Dec 2 2024 22:24 utc | 166

Remembering the bioweapons labs in Ukraine and Romania with which Hunter was connected. Those were set up by O’Bomber back in his senatorial days accompanied by his mentor, noe other than Joe Izzyhell-first Leiberman. Pardoning Hunter goes way beyond Hunter, but as a poster above noted, Bioweapons labs are not in the pardonable category. Perhaps the crack in the Edifice of Hell wall will be expanding. One hopes.
As for the fatherly love, please, fathers who love put their sons in rehab, not on the payroll.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Dec 2 2024 22:27 utc | 168

“Show me one father who would let his son rot in prison while he himself would most likely die due to his age.”
Given the way Hunter led his life, doing a bit of time might have been the best thing for him. It’s not like it would have to be gen pop at San Quentin – min security would have been fine.

Posted by: ian | Dec 2 2024 22:56 utc | 170

You’re all being very generous in assuming that Biden is aware that he has pardoned his son. I saw him at the press-call afterwards and it’s entirely possible nobody told him yet.

Posted by: Tim Hinchliffe | Dec 2 2024 23:14 utc | 172

Because as I said the patina of ‘leaders of the world’ blah blah held by england is wearing very thin in england as poverty levels rise and despair takes over. The last time england came close to a major ‘restructure’ was in the immediate post industrial revolution period where socialism began to take hold and by the late 1920’s it took a huge effort by england’s enablers of the elite to prevent that from occurring.
It isn’t going to take too much more for englanders to rise up again, probably just one more major financial failure, something that is pretty much certain. The difference this time is many more are aware of the elite enablers’ shenanigans so it is possible that they could succeed as the englander state is on the bones of its arse and that combined with the gross inefficiency of the security state means that englanders do have a better chance of it succeeding.
No one can guarantee an outcome of course but I would rate the odds of success as being at their greatest since about 1215 and back then it was really only land owners who benefited, this time the blob’s ability to restrict changes to a particular class of englander is non-existent.
The zionist funded englander right has made inroads yeah chiefly because they have enjoyed sub-rosa support from england’s corporate media, but none have come anywhere close to the popularity Jeremy Corbyn enjoyed despite a lack of any support in that same media.
Yeah Mr Corbyn was brought down but at great cost to those who beat it up who revealed too much of themselves & their methods to achieve success. That stunt was strictly a one off and it is unlikely to be a go in an england where the Gaza genocide has made the royals’ subjects much more attuned to the crimes of zionists.
ps if you see ‘that’ in an odd place I likely meant to say ‘than’ & vice versa.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 2 2024 23:30 utc | 174

Posted by: Snowleopard | Dec 2 2024 20:50 utc | 158
The 5th ammendment only applies to US law. Trying to invoke it to avoid prosecution from a jurisdiction is not applicable.
Biden was on the senate judiciary committee for decades and has compelled people to testify under the condition of pardon before. Even his jello brain knows exactly what it means. This is revenge from somebody too stupid to think things through. Hunter now has a target on his back from every person who he might testify against. I doubt he is going to be alive much longer. Good riddance. I hope Joe suck starts a shotgun when he gets the news.

Posted by: Badjoke | Dec 2 2024 23:48 utc | 176

Wouldn’t you if you had the power to pardon your own son for non-violent offenses?
The unspoken part of his ‘promise’ was, ‘if reelected’.
He is the ultimate lame duck. There is no reason to hold back. But I wish he was clever enough to includes a bunch of other pardons to give himself political cover. He could have also pardoned Donald Trump (to piss him off). But sadly, I don’t think he is capable of that kind of cleverness anymore.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Dec 2 2024 23:54 utc | 178

We can probably expect Joe to pardon himself and the rest of the Biden clan, shortly, after which they will await summons to be deposed by the incoming Trump administration.
Posted by: JC | Dec 2 2024 22:25 utc | 170
Sure thing!
Trump will do that right after he locks Hillary up.

Posted by: jinn | Dec 3 2024 0:01 utc | 180

What’s all this Zionist Funding claim?
Paper Money, Electronic Money,
Central Bank Monopoly Producer of Script,
Fractional Reserve Lending,
Are you Too Dull to figure it out? They use Monopoly Money to steal Real Assets and your Labor from you.
Today’s Billionaires are first feed at the trough, to front run you as you are kept on the sidelines. Only after Prices are Jacked up, do you get a taste of the scraps on the floor.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 3 2024 0:16 utc | 182

Who Has Donald Trump Pardoned? Full List

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2024 0:44 utc | 184

Posted by: BadDealMotorsOn | Dec 3 2024 0:19 utc | 186
That’s a good reminder. Also we shouldn’t forget:
“At Israel’s request, Trump pardons Israeli handler of spy Jonathan Pollard
“Aviem Sella one of 73 people granted clemency; 70 have sentences commuted; list doesn’t include Trump or family; several Jewish convicts pardoned, incl. Lakewood Ponzi schemer”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/at-israels-request-trump-pardons-israeli-handler-of-spy-jonathan-pollard/

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 3 2024 1:37 utc | 186

@ jinn | Dec 3 2024 1:30 utc | 188
i am sure pissing on all of moa is a real recipe for success, lol..

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2024 1:45 utc | 188

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 3 2024 1:45 utc | 190
I just want to highlight here what I think is the most impactful part of your post. Trump’w words:
“If the hostages are not released by January 20, those holding them will pay a heavy price, and those holding the hostages will be hit harder than anyone in the history of the United States. Release the hostages now.”

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 3 2024 1:53 utc | 190

Why Did Joe Biden Pardon His Son?
The same reason a dog licks its balls – because he can.

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 3 2024 2:13 utc | 192

Shifting gears…..
Biden or Trump will probably pardon Julian Assange. Yeah, he did expose some bad deep state stuff, but I still have my doubts about him as all here should. You know why? Because he essentially promotes the MSM/govt narrative about 9/11. To me, that is the “big tell” about who is a real dissident and who is a fake dissident. Same with Chomsky.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 3 2024 2:41 utc | 194

AG | Dec 2 2024 8:54 utc | 9
*** A father pardoning his own son?
After the old man lost family in an accident before?
And his other son due to cancer?
What´s there to ask?
Show me one father who would let his son rot in prison while he himself would most likely die due to his age.
Some answers should be so obvious that the questions are sort of inappropriate.
In a way.***
Go spout that nauseating flowers-and-violins drivel to the families of all those murdered by that thoroughly evil bastard throughout his long and rotten career … including as a result of both Bidens’ activities relating to Ukraine.
As for the son who died, it was because he inhaled too many of the fumes off US military “burn pits” in overseas areas of US military aggression — was Biden ever the least bit bothered about what years of involuntary exposure to such toxic fumes must have done to locals?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 3 2024 3:29 utc | 196

Hunter Biden is as disgusting as his corrupt, sociopathic father. He learned from the best.
Would any other American get away with what Hunter did? Aside from what some know about Joe Biden’s extortion of a Ukrainian prosecutor, investigating Burisma and it’s 80,000+ dollar a month pay to Hunter who had ZERO experience in a gas company (money laundering),and who had the man fired and who threatened to withhold 1 billion in US taxpayer money (more money laundering ),if he wasn’t, Hunter also had a biological weapons company in Ukraine too.
The sooner this asshat and his POS Son are out of the WH the better. History will not be kind to a President who was installed and forced upon Americans against their will.
81 million votes, my ass!

Posted by: Kay | Dec 3 2024 3:46 utc | 198

Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 13:41 utc | 58
*** Neither will voting for Farage bring any change other than hastening the slide into full fascism. The parliamentary system in the UK precludes any progressive change. Indeed, voting only legitimises the wholly corrupt system. ***
Well, taking Scotland and mainland Europe into consideration the other parliament systems don’t seem any improvement.
Just look at Habek, Baerbock, VdL and various other bought or indoctrinated nutters and junkies heading various countries…
Very big money and monopolistic (as in, basically all same side / general Establishment agenda) control of mass-media is what mostly determines the results.
Surely just coincidence that the whole lot, including Farage, want to make everywhere a copy of the USA.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 3 2024 4:07 utc | 200