Why Did Joe Biden Pardon His Son?
Which of Joe Biden's crimes did Hunter Biden threaten to reveal to thereby extort his father into pardoning him?
Biden Pardons Son
President Joe Biden had earlier pledged not to take clemency on Hunter.
President Joe Biden gave his son, Hunter Biden, a full and unconditional pardon Sunday night.
The younger Biden had been found guilty on three felony charges in June in a federal case surrounding his acquisition and possession of a firearm, and pleaded guilty (..) to federal tax evasion charges in September.
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Prior to the pardon, Hunter was facing up to 25 years in prison on firearms charges and up to 17 years in prison on tax charges.Biden had earlier pledged not to pardon his son. “I’m extremely proud of my son Hunter. He has overcome an addiction. He is one of the brightest, most decent men I know,” the president stated in June, after his son’s conviction in his federal gun trial. “I abide by the jury decision. I will do that and I will not pardon him.”
Just asking ...
Posted by b on December 2, 2024 at 8:03 UTC | Permalink
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lA3oOo1oZc
Posted by: Fred | Dec 2 2024 8:17 utc | 2
Yes, this shows just how brazen the Empire discloses its corruption. I wonder at what point Zelensky lets out the truth of the Burisma stuff? I wonder whether Joe and his spawn are really home free yet?
Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 8:19 utc | 3
Question is is it more than nepotism but also some form of direct self interest. Hunter Biden disclosing in some way more things about his dad that should not be told.
Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Dec 2 2024 8:25 utc | 4
From ZH -
The pardon, which is "Full and Unconditional," is expected to cover both the gun conviction and the guilty plea, and covers offenses "which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in" over a nearly 11-year period from Jan. 1, 2014 through Dec. 1, 2024.
They could have started the clock on February 22, 2014. Sins of the father or something like that. Burisma.
Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 2 2024 8:26 utc | 5
That's a toughie. Is there any crime Hunter hasn't committed?
Posted by: Organic | Dec 2 2024 8:28 utc | 6
This was of course, inevitable, maybe some credulous Dims voters actually believed it when genocide Joe reckoned he would never use his position to get his son off the hook I certainly didn't & I doubt any here at MoA did. Of course if he says the charges against his over-aged screw-up who charged by the Biden administration's justice dept. were 'political' (1)whose fault is that and (2) what about trump's court cases? Does genocide joe admit they too were political.
I wouldn't be botherin to comment on that at all but I just chanced across this horror story suffered by a parent in Wales who didn't have the right connections.
According to the article which coming from the graun I wouldn't normally consider, but it seems even the zionists at the graun find this yarn too much for merry olde england.
This lady's daughter took part in a protest outside an israeli weapons manufacturer's plant in england. The daughter lives hundreds of miles away in London, the woman who was arrested under the terrorism act didn't attend the protest yet she was dragged off, locked up in the slammer for nearly a week and discharged without her clothes, the possessions she had been wearing and all her businesses' phone & laptops.
No ride hundreds of miles back home, no apology, no means to let anyone know where she was. Insane. I wonder how long it will take for englanders to wake up & realise the high price they pay for keir starmer's rabid zionism?
Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 2 2024 8:51 utc | 8
A father pardoning his own son?
After the old man lost family in an accident before?
And his other son due to cancer?
What´s there to ask?
Show me one father who would let his son rot in prison while he himself would most likely die due to his age.
Some answers should be so obvious that the questions are sort of inappropriate.
In a way.
Posted by: AG | Dec 2 2024 8:54 utc | 9
And, of course, even if brain-dead Joe hadn’t pardoned his idiot son, Trump would have.
They all piss in the same pot and there is no real difference between them. Plus ca change…….
Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 8:54 utc | 10
Is this just the annual liberation of one turkey at Christmas, traditionally performed by the POTUS?
Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 8:59 utc | 11
Because he has committed a LOT of Federal crimes, that's why.
I do hope that T-Rump is able to convict Joe, Hunter, Hillary and Bill and a lot of other Deep State who surely committed crimes.
If T-Rump does not put a lot of folks in a jail cell, he will be considered a failure.
Posted by: Hot Carl | Dec 2 2024 9:00 utc | 12
So you are sitting in jail for far less and you hear this....
Posted by: Nick J | Dec 2 2024 9:15 utc | 13
The United States is the world's laboratory where the limits and scope of "total power" are constantly being tested. It is a variant of the frog-boiling technique: the Yankees got used to seeing others being boiled like frogs, and to seeing that as a good thing. Now, after a couple of generations of good examples, they can jump into the pot on their own, and what happens next doesn't matter.
If they can break their own rules with total impunity, imagine what the rest of the world can do!
For example: what they do in Syria from now on, they won't even need to justify themselves, they only need the power to do it (or to try, at least, since each step further from home means that the percentage of "zombies" is decreasing).
The United States is the world's laboratory where the limits and scope of "total power" are constantly being tested.
Posted by: Santi | Dec 2 2024 9:23 utc | 14
why that urge for "total power". What is that ? Narcissism? Fascism?
I see the Empire running mad, like a rabid dog. Biting everywhere.
what is going on in their minds? And who are they?
Everything that is going on form Syria to Ukraine is beyond human comprehension.
Posted by: salmon | Dec 2 2024 9:32 utc | 15
Bidet pardoned a turkey.
And a son.
Nothing to see here.
Just one bastard pardoning another bastard.
The rules based odium at work.
Posted by: kiwiklown | Dec 2 2024 9:48 utc | 16
Posted by: AG | Dec 2 2024 8:54 utc | 9
So all fathers of criminals may pardon their sons to get them out of reach of justice right?
That would empty lots of prisons in the USA.
Or is it that someone has royal privileges?
In a democracy?
This pardon thing is one of the most appreciated privileges that politicians give to themselves.
Here in Western Europe I know of a few cases of PMs quietly pardoning rich bankers at the end of their mandates.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 2 2024 9:55 utc | 17
And, of course, even if brain-dead Joe hadn’t pardoned his idiot son, Trump would have.
They all piss in the same pot and there is no real difference between them. Plus ca change…….
Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 8:54 utc | 10
Really?
If Biden were sure that Trump would pardon his son, he would've left it to Trump.
Biden's promise was nothing but another part of his election campaign, and therefore empty.
Of course, maybe Biden just forgot what he pledged. Or someone told him that Hunter would not attend Christmas dinner unless he pardoned his transgressions.
In any case, it doesn't matter. The voters will forget until the next elections. And the Democrats will just shrug, and say that they did remove Biden from the ballots, so it has nothing to do with them.
Posted by: Martina | Dec 2 2024 9:56 utc | 18
Posted by: salmon | Dec 2 2024 9:32 utc | 15
Everything that is going on form Syria to Ukraine is beyond human comprehension.
It's just beyond your comprehension.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 2 2024 9:58 utc | 19
Posted by: AG | Dec 2 2024 8:54 utc | 9
Of course, in an individual capacity, a father can pardon a son who has wronged the father. But this is not that case. This is the pardon of a criminal due to nepotism, the creation of a dual system of justice and a f-k you in the face of the millions who do not have a father or other relative sitting in the Oval Office.
Posted by: ChecksandBalances | Dec 2 2024 10:02 utc | 21
"Is this just the annual liberation of one turkey at Christmas, traditionally performed by the POTUS?"
Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 8:59 utc | 11
No moron, that's Thanksgiving!!
Congrats, you have just won ,"The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today"
AG 9
I agree with you that normally a father understands and forgives his son.
But when a father is very powerful and males his son an accomplice in the father's crimes, forgiving the son is just a means of abolving himself.
If anybody doesn't need absolving right now it's Joe Biden. He has experimented with reintroducing Fascism and Nazism as tools of colonial greed and theft in South America, all of Asia, all of Africa, all of Europe and the South Pole.
Hunter Biden was the business side in Ukraine, while Soros was doing the Nazi brainwashing. Joe Biden and his son are co-conspiratists in establishing Nazism in Ukraine in order to bully Russia, and to establish thinly disguised Nazism in Israel to bully West Asia and exactly the same in South America.
If the pardoner were to be hung, would the pardon still be valid? Yes. Biden is the war criminal who needs hanging, and it's clear to the entire world that it is Biden who led Hunter astray.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 2 2024 10:13 utc | 23
Posted by: canuck | Dec 2 2024 10:03 utc | 22
“No moron, that's Thanksgiving!!
Congrats, you have just won ,"The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today"”
Is this really the best you can do in debating?
Must try harder. Read a bit more without your finger following the words and your lips moving.
Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 10:24 utc | 24
People are missing the big story here:
> “He is one of the brightest, most decent men I know,” the president stated
Ergo, better headline: BIDEN PASSES FACTCHECK(tm)
Posted by: I forgot | Dec 2 2024 10:33 utc | 25
Posted by: salmon | December 2, 2024 9:32 utc | 15
It is the dilemma that modern, current human beings face, that is why we have spent so many years sweetening ourselves with useless objects, with a grotesque and sickly comfort, as well as completely harmful, with an absolute mental comfort coming from the democratic format, of making a single "decision" about our own lives, every four years.
It is the nature of power, there is no other way, no other result than total power.
We would understand it very well if we recovered our own power, the power over ourselves, to realize that there could be no fissure.
By delegating power to representatives or institutions, it cannot allow for fissures: the narrative implies a certain phase of consensus until taking the reins, but then only the whip remains as a permanent method
Now that power feels sufficiently concentrated and self-assured, it does not need to adjust to the farce of democracy, although its weakness is that its power is composed of the delegation of personal, individual power of each and every individual in the society who holds it.
In theory, it would be impossible to maintain this for a single second, it is as if we founded a zoo by building cages with the door open, and we expected each species to enter alone in exchange for a supposed eternal abundance of rotten food, leisure, and absence of responsibility...
In practice, we could found a zoo in this way: The cage of human beings would fill up so quickly that we would have to allow them to occupy the cages intended for the rest of the species.
In practice, we already live in a huge, permanent, omnipresent human zoo, which does not even need guards, because if someone leaves the doors open, we ourselves - docile little animals - only feel fear of escaping into the unknown real world...
I don't understand the excitement. What did you expect?
Joseph Biden is not such a tough guy like Josef Stalin.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 2 2024 10:50 utc | 27
Perhaps Hunter Biden might have threatened to reveal the extent of Daddy Joe's involvement in Burisma Holdings Pty Ltd while Hunter had been on the Board of Directors there, and how Joe Biden might have made threats against former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko if he didn't fire Viktor Shokin from his position as Ukraine's Prosecutor General. Shokin had been pursuing a corruption case involving Burisma that could have led him all the way to the White House through the money trail.
I'm sure I've read somewhere online too, that whatever Hunter Biden earned from his investments or involvement with Burisma, his dad would demand a cut. Perhaps Hunter was threatening to reveal the extent of Daddy's own corruption that would cast his Presidency in a bad light if Dad hadn't pardoned his one remaining son.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 2 2024 10:53 utc | 28
I fm abroad did not dive into the subject in full but it seems that major felonies plus corruption were more frequent abroad or in #404 whereas minor ones in home soil. Is it that way?
If so looks the exact behavior of the Israel regime.
See AG @ 9
Have compassion for Joe Biden due to his personal suffering at the loss of family members? Ask the people of Gaza who need and deserve compassion! Joe Biden is a vicious, grasping man who has never showed true care for anyone outside his power circle: send them all to prison, he says, kill everyone who resists.
Posted by: Quentin | Dec 2 2024 11:01 utc | 30
What an unrealistic idea that Hunter Biden would betray his father. Who comes up with something so idiotic.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 2 2024 11:06 utc | 31
Unexpected, NO…. Confirmation, YES.
That USA is no model for any nation considering Ordered Liberty and a Constitutional Republic governed by a Government with severely LimitedAnd Explicitly Defined Powers.
😥
Posted by: OldFart | Dec 2 2024 11:37 utc | 32
Aaaw, there's got to be some fishy blackmail going on with Zelensky vs Biden.
Biden just announced he's gunna give Ukraine "every dollar and weapon I can in the next 50 days". Out of fear to prevent Zelensky spilling his beans before and after Biden leaves office?
For all the trouble and lip Zelensky has given Biden over 3 years, he's sure gotten away with a lot. The US was supposedly plotting to replace him. But no. Never happened. By what leverage has he remained in his position, and getting (mostly) what he wanted?
Now the little shit is DEMANDING a NATO invite but without any loss of territory! I first thought, what a total loony. But it's more like he's got some superior secret leverage over commonsense and even Biden's largesse.
I am so sick of his deluded ramblings. I really wish someone would shoot him in his ugly face.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 2 2024 11:41 utc | 33
In practice, we already live in a huge, permanent, omnipresent human zoo, which does not even need guards, because if someone leaves the doors open, we ourselves - docile little animals - only feel fear of escaping into the unknown real world...
Posted by: Santi | Dec 2 2024 10:43 utc | 26
I the whole concept of civilization as an intention to free us, in fact a huge mistake, now enslaving us.
Is the feeling of enslavement also prominent in non western world?
Posted by: salmon | Dec 2 2024 11:52 utc | 34
Why Did Joe Biden Pardon His Son?
Because he can. And doesn't care.
Posted by: GreyCloud | Dec 2 2024 11:55 utc | 35
Is it cos they is an -
‘Exceptional Cuntry’ ???
Is it to bury everything since 2014 so Drumpff can’t get se it in court? Not that Kash Patel at FBI and a source being any less ziofascist arse licker at the moment.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 2 2024 12:00 utc | 36
To Canuck (22) So american! Who gives a fuck whether your costume of dining turkey is at Christmas or Thanksgiving or whatever.
Posted by: gatopreto | Dec 2 2024 12:02 utc | 37
Hey, at least he waited until after the election. :)
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 2 2024 12:04 utc | 38
https://oversight.house.gov/blog/key-excerpts-from-tony-bobulinskis-transcribed-interview/
"Then the distribution of the equity. Now, previously, we had gone through the actual documents that were signed for Oneida Holdings, and the bubble diagram was used to spell out the different ownership. But this shows 20 percent for H. H is Hunter Biden; 20 percent for RW is Rob Walker; 20 percent for JG is James Gilliar; 20 percent for TB, that’s me, Tony Bobulinski; and then it says 10 for Jim, and that’s Jim Biden. And then it says, “10 held for H for the big guy.” The H in that message is Hunter Biden, and the big guy ‑‑ 100 percent ‑‑ is Joe Biden."
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 2 2024 12:10 utc | 39
@lex talionis
The pardon, which is "Full and Unconditional," is expected to cover both the gun conviction and the guilty plea, and covers offenses "which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in" over a nearly 11-year period from Jan. 1, 2014 through Dec. 1, 2024.
Exactly - he is cancelling the Biden Corruption investigation that clearly leads to Joe.
Posted by: Michael Droy | Dec 2 2024 12:12 utc | 40
The existence of undue influence has been sufficient to enable other purportedly voluntary exercises in free will - including testamentary provisions - to be annulled by courts. I can see some attorney challenging "Biden's" presidential pardon on similar grounds or just as a matter of public policy.
Posted by: Cortes | Dec 2 2024 12:20 utc | 41
Who is surprised?
4 long years I've been laughing at the morons believing Biden would put his 'enemy' Trump in jail.
The same libs gloating whenever some unimportant jan 6 useful idiot got sentenced to many years in prison.
Each case smeared all over the news.
A symbolic bone thrown at the minions to satisfy their vengeful bloodthurst.
But more importantly to show that justice will be done and nobody will escape the rule of law in the perfect US democracy.
Also not Trump and the rest of the jan 6 instigators.
A hopeful article here and there about how this and that was decided so they could finally get closer to beginning to prosecute him.
Right.
Nothing more than long-winding political theater.
I knew from the beginning it would not happen, the political class always protect their own.
The only difference with the Hunter Biden case is that daddy is not only end of term but also end of carreer.
He doesn't need to sugarcoat this blatant act of nepotism and corruption for the sake of future credibility.
He can finally spit in the face of the minions without thinking of the consequences.
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Dec 2 2024 12:31 utc | 42
Posted by: salmon | December 2, 2024 11:52 utc | 34
It is impossible to seriously think that the concept of civilization comes from an intention to free ourselves!
The very concept of civilization comes from exchanging our concept of slavery in exchange for enjoying the slavery of other species, from accepting our slavery in exchange for enjoying the slavery of those less favored on the social scale (always, always, always there is someone less favored, it is the function of scales and classifications: the construction of infinity)
We are one species! Of course we reach a total consensus on global civilizational slavery as a general rule in the "Western" or "non-Western" world.
The world is one, human concepts are just lines in the sand, that is why they have to be protected from the wind by constantly reaffirming them through laws and wars, massacres or whatever.
If one day you stopped doing what you do every day, the system would immediately collapse! We persist in maintaining a degrading scheme because it gives us the possibility of thinking that one day we can be the managers of the zoo, whom we see on the other side of the bars enjoying their freedom.
In reality, our training prevents us from thinking that next to us there is another cage, and another, and another. Being president of a powerful country seems like a privileged position, when in reality, you can only wait for the rotten food that is yours, and walk in circles.
Of course, from our position it seems that their cage is bigger, or even that it does not exist... But only It's a question of perspective!
Hunter and Joe do what they have to do, they have no choice, they play their role or they would start starving, that's the whole reality.
Gaza or the White House, there is something that connects us all, we decided to stop choosing a long time ago
Refinnejenna | Dec 2 2024 10:53 utc | 28
"Daddy Joe's involvement in Burisma Holdings Pty Ltd while Hunter had been on the Board of Directors there, and how Joe Biden might have made threats against former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko if he didn't fire Viktor Shokin from his position as Ukraine's Prosecutor General."
Not-a-troll | Dec 2 2024 11:41 utc | 33
"there's got to be some fishy blackmail going on with Zelensky vs Biden"
"Out of fear to prevent Zelensky spilling his beans before and after Biden leaves office"
My thinking, there was a lot of involvement of the Biden family in Ukraine regarding business as well as politics, also during 2014 Maidan (Victoria Nuland had the main job).
I always wondered, why the DEMs never had any better candidate, and Joe was kind of forced to do the POTUS job for so long; after he lost the election he seemed to be relieved, like he got finally free from a heavy burden.
I'm sure there were some very, very dirty things going on in the background, about which we are clueless.
Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 2 2024 12:42 utc | 45
Ain't it heartwarming, all these child-rapind pedos being to nice to each other. So kind! Think of all the girls in Ukraine they kidnapped or grew in those child factories. No, actually don't think of them. Just keep cheering for identical pedos like Trump to keep everything running for the zios.
Biolab Trump.
Covid & vaccine Trump.
Soleimani assassination Trump.
And some people think Trump wants to or can do something that's not good for his joo owners.
"Oh but the 'deep state' tried to shoot him, so he must be a white hat!"
Look, a rapist tried to shoot another rapist who was getting more money and raping more--it's clear he's a good guy because the other rapist tried to shoot him!
(pro tip: trump staged his own shooting and had a line of sneakers produced in advance for the occasion)
Posted by: Jack M | Dec 2 2024 12:46 utc | 46
The NYT said this pardon will be a stain on Biden’s legacy. In his depleted self-awareness I wonder if his legacy even concerns him. Perhaps filial feelings were stronger than politics.
Posted by: Art Thomas | Dec 2 2024 13:04 utc | 47
Maybe this will finally convince my fellow US citizens that our country is ALREADY a banana republic.
Frankly though, I kinda doubt it.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Dec 2 2024 13:12 utc | 48
Nothing good will come out of it as even more Americans will see the travelling circus for what it is. Even those that hardly pay any attention to it.
Some snakes, such as rat snakes, have been known to consume themselves by eating their own tail.
As Trump moves full speed ahead to technopopulism it will only get worse.Technopopulism exemplifies the contemporary crisis of democracy: on the one hand, it feeds on a widespread sense of dissatisfaction with the quality of democratic representation; on the other, by widening the existing chasm between society and politics, it further exacerbates that sense of dissatisfaction of the voters, in a dangerous feedback loop.
Nothing good will come out of this pardon as the travelling circus continues to eat itself. The real question is, who will The American voter turn to after Trump. With pure hatred of the system in their hearts?
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 2 2024 13:16 utc | 49
AS MUCH AS I CAN'T STAND BIDEN OR HUNTER. AS A MOTHER of a son I understand why he would want to pardon his only son and father to his grandchildren. It would be nice for him to pardon the January 6th political prisoners on his way out (even though they will be pardoned in a couple of months by Trump). HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE, HIS PARTY ALREADY THREW HIM UNDER THE BUS.
Posted by: Fortuna | Dec 2 2024 13:20 utc | 51
What, you think it's sheer chance that the USA has the largest per capita number of incarcerated people? (Ok, Rwanda, Cuba, El Salvador have higher rates, but they are basket cases .... oh, wait!). Or that the percentage of incarcerated people of color is two to three times larger than their percentage of total population? (But, yay, whites are catching up!). And, obviously, most incarcerated people are of lower socio-economic status. The USA uses its 'justice' (hah!) system as a way to control its Black/brown/poor masses ("yearning to be free" ). Nordic countries have 'social housing.' We have prisons.
So the chances that the son of a US president would spend time in a US prison are close to zero. Our ruling class make the laws and enforce the laws. It's their system. The rest of us must learn to live in it.
Posted by: Eclair | Dec 2 2024 13:23 utc | 52
Imagine a world were both biden and trump share a prison cell for the next ten years.
Then film it as a weekly reality tv show,
'I'm a US president get me out of here.'
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Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 2 2024 13:28 utc | 53
The NYT said this pardon will be a stain on Biden’s legacy. In his depleted self-awareness I wonder if his legacy even concerns him. Perhaps filial feelings were stronger than politics.
Posted by: Art Thomas | Dec 2 2024 13:04 utc | 47
That's the rub Art. It's the very same in the UK.
The ruling class have no idea what danger they are in as more and more of the voters hearts are filled with rage and anger towards the system.
UK voters are convincing themselves that Farage is their saviour from it. In the same way American's jumped on the Trump train. Who will the voters turn to next is the real question. As these false prophets pushing their grift are exposed via technopopulism who they really are.
Are viters going to move even further right ? Into the heart of facism or where do they go next ?
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 2 2024 13:29 utc | 54
I haven't read it yet, but did the terms of the pardon apply more broadly to criminal activity other than the current tax and gun charges?
If Biden had something to hide, he would have preemptively pardoned that too.
If he didn't, that undermines your suspicion, because Trump has many times said he would seek vengeance and prosecute his enemies. A Trump prosecution of Biden Jr. would expose joint criminal conduct with Biden Senior. So, knowing this, Biden if vulnerable, would have pardoned preemptively and broadly.
If he didn't your suspicion is undermined.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Dec 2 2024 13:35 utc | 55
Joey Chernenko unsurprisingly pardons dirtbag loser son. Now here's the follow-up question. The president may only pardon FEDERAL crimes. Crackhead Hunter was found guilty of firearms and income tax crimes. Both of these have analogous state law equivalents. So where's the state AG with sufficient coglioni to slam this POS??
Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Dec 2 2024 13:39 utc | 56
as I posted earlier and it needs to be highlighted, this is not a pardon for an errant sons CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS and therefore from the punishment due by his potus father.
It is pardon for any criminal actions - ANY - including rape, murder, trafficking, drugs, larceny, conspiracy from a date before the potus was elected but while he was Veep!
Anything illegal that would have been subject to a future prosecution! Including implication of family and friends.
It is no different to the old Holy Roman Popes granting a ‘get out of hell free’ cards.
If Drumpff 47 and Patel and Co let this ride - there is no fig leaf left for the retreating USA zioempire. Nothing. Bare arsed cheek and rules based might is right is all you have.
A very sick young country that will not get to its 250th birthday. Good.
‘Clandestine
@WarClandestine
12h
⚠️HOLY SHIT⚠️
Joe Pardoned Hunter for all crimes he might be involved in starting on Jan 1, 2014.
Why did he pick that date?
Because 2014 is when the CIA/State Dept took over Ukraine. 2014 is when Hunter’s biolab company, Metabiota, began looking for coronaviruses in Ukraine.
Joe is not just covering the drug and gun possession charges. Joe is running cover for all of Hunter’s criminality in Ukraine, which is really Joe’s criminality in Ukraine.
This is not just a pardon for Hunter. This is a pardon for JOE!’
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 2 2024 13:41 utc | 57
Voters in the UK were sick of the Tories but they didn’t rush to vote Labour. There was no popular vote in support of Starmer and his bunch of conservative, pro-capitalist cronies offered no change to the reactionary neoliberal policies that have been followed in the UK.
Neither will voting for Farage bring any change other than hastening the slide into full fascism. The parliamentary system in the UK precludes any progressive change. Indeed, voting only legitimises the wholly corrupt system.
Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 2 2024 13:41 utc | 58
Had to pardon him so he can run for "President" in 2028. Trouble is he can't make up his mind which country pays the most.
(Well the "families" do take turns at ruling, don't they?)
Posted by: canuck | Dec 2 2024 10:00 utc | 20Why did Biden "need to be allowed"? What he's doing here is entirely within his power, isn't it?Part of the deal for Biden to 'step down' was allowing him to pardon his son.
We're about to cross the theshold to late Roman decadence IMO. Don't say lightly "we've long crossed it" -- the ancients were *really* good at this. The Hunter Biden thing is miniscule in comparison to the main crimes of the current Empire but we can use it to good effect when talking to people: almost everyone can see how bad things are from little things like this.
Posted by: Konami | Dec 2 2024 13:42 utc | 60
Sun of Alabama @ 54
It's good to see an MOA commenter exersising foresight.
I think the answer to your question is cristal clear, your half way there to the answer....
It will be moveing further to the right, fascism.
But it will be totaly under the control of jews. America, britain and europe.
Were almost ther already, already.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 2 2024 13:43 utc | 61
I was staying in a place just outside Barcelona during the summer. I got chatting to a bunch of Dutch guys who were there for the Barcelona formula 1 grand prix.
They told me they had no option but to vote for the far right in Holland because of what was happening in Europe. They said they didn't want to but had no choice.
Once the far right fails them in Holland. As it most certainly will. Who do these guys turn to next ?
That's the question that will soon be on everybody's lips.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 2 2024 13:45 utc | 63
Casper Weinberger smiles.
Are people really surprised by a liar's lies?
All I can do is smile myself,
watching the Democratic Party dumped into a hole
it will not crawl out of in my lifetime.
They must intend to supplant the limited, ludicrous election process we have been accustomed to.
Because otherwise, they are history.
Nice work.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 2 2024 13:48 utc | 64
Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 2 2024 8:37 utc | 7
Perfect.
Posted by: LindaJ | Dec 2 2024 13:50 utc | 65
The existence of undue influence has been sufficient to enable other purportedly voluntary exercises in free will - including testamentary provisions - to be annulled by courts. I can see some attorney challenging "Biden's" presidential pardon on similar grounds or just as a matter of public policy.
Posted by: Cortes | Dec 2 2024 12:20 utc | 41
Interesting point.
On a human level I can understand why Joe wants Hunter off scot free, but the question then arises as to whether this is the end of it. What is the US equivalent of a Royal Commission to compel evidence, establish facts and assign culpability? Even if the Presidential Pardon prevents Hunter from being prosecuted as a result of the findings (or maybe not as Cortes points out), this does not extend to others involved or to Joe himself.
I see that there are likely two concurrent motives here. One is to shield Hunter, and the other is to try to avoid the Trump people from opening up every rotting can of worms that Hunter has been involved in since 2014, with Joe being one of those rotting worms.
Posted by: Marduk | Dec 2 2024 13:52 utc | 66
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 2 2024 13:29 utc | 54Why do you care about voting? We know from history that "democratic elections" [1] are only allowed to effect minor changes, entirely within the prevailing system.Are voters going to move even further right ? Into the heart of facism or where do they go next ?
We also know that more people will favour totalitarian solutions in times like these. As a German, it's really hard not to compare with Weimar and the 1930's all the time:
- general trust in the political system really low: check
- general discontent with cost of living: check
- war is seen as a tool/solution: check
- capitalism in a deep crisis: check
- scapegoats aplenty: check
And one hundred years ago, more people had some class consciousness (or if you don't like that language: an us-vs-them attitude) than now. Several generations of neoliberalism and woke indoctrination makes many poor people think they have themselves to blame. And that makes it impossible to even *imagine* how to fight. I myself have no idea. How to fight?
To end on a positive note: The East is red. [What the first Chinese satellite morsed into space.]
[1] I refer to our "liberal democracies". I don't think that voting has to be pointless but it certainly is in the West. I sometimes do vote but I still think it's pointless :)
Posted by: Konami | Dec 2 2024 13:53 utc | 67
I mean imagine being so full of hubris, so corrupt, that you dispatched your son as a bagman to a foreign country. I mean, it shows they don't even feel the need to hide it.
A compliant and sycophantic media in the West means no break on power.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 2 2024 14:08 utc | 69
Thanks for the responses!
I am aware of the legal implications and the millions who have suffered under Biden´s hands.
And obviously I am only referring to the informal nature of my argument.
If this option is granted by the Constitution any human being would use the opportunity.
Not only Biden. I dare say any barfly present. How can we judge and condemn if we acted the same way if in that situation.
It´s one of those odd examples of morale vs. the law in a twisted way.
The idea of pardoning is in itself not a sign of a progressive modern judicial system.
So, "Blame it on the Constitution". Not the man.
May be.
Posted by: AG | Dec 2 2024 14:44 utc | 70
Kim dot com posted a picture from Hunter's laptop of Hunter strangling a woman during sex on a post of Joe's celebrating his involvment in The Violence Against Womens' Act
https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1842676958980919616/photo/1
Posted by: ld | Dec 2 2024 14:47 utc | 71
Biden doesn't need a reason.
Biden does not know what he promised yesterday.
Either Jill or Hunter did this.
There are still 50 days to go. Expect a lot more nonsense.
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 2 2024 14:49 utc | 72
The DOJ alleges that Hunter Biden was bribed by a Romanian billionaire to influence US policy via Joe Biden.
from aug 29
https://x.com/i/status/1821774886081269806
Posted by: ld | Dec 2 2024 14:49 utc | 73
I read a rumour that Hunter told Joe over Thanksgiving that he was writing a book about his alleged crimes.
Blackmailed by his own son?
Posted by: Manage without me | Dec 2 2024 14:53 utc | 74
I hope people are going to be watching Hunter like a hawk for ANY crimes committed from this day forward. If he has so much as a parking ticket, we should know about it. If he gets picked up on another gun or drug charge, I expect the full weight of the court to be applied. Hunter should expect there are a lot of people out here who would gladly make absolutely sure he is silenced far and beyond what a mere pardon is going to buy. As they say, "He knows too much."
Posted by: John S | Dec 2 2024 14:57 utc | 75
The whole system is corrupt.
US President Joe Biden has issued an official pardon for his son Hunter, who was set to face sentencing this month on federal felony gun and tax convictions.
Hunter Biden pleaded guilty to tax charges in September, and was found guilty in a separate trial in June of being an illegal drug user in possession of a gun.”
We haven’t even gotten into the utter corruption of Biden in YOU and his laptop – which revealed all – as Biden senior, had the social media companies and the CIA – do their best to discredit the truth.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 2 2024 14:58 utc | 76
This clarification about the scope of presidential pardons is accurate. Here's a brief explanation:
Federal Pardons: The President of the United States has the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, as per Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution. This power is limited to federal crimes and does not extend to state or local offenses, nor does it cover impeachment proceedings.
State Pardons: Pardons for state-level crimes are typically issued by the governor of the state or through a state pardon board, depending on the state's laws. Each state has its own procedures and criteria for granting pardons.
Impeachment: A presidential pardon cannot be used to prevent or overturn an impeachment, as impeachment is a political process rather than a criminal one.
Private Civil Offenses: Pardons do not cover civil lawsuits or private civil matters, only criminal offenses.
This distinction is crucial because it means that while a president can pardon someone for a federal crime, that person could still face charges or legal action at the state level or in civil courts. This separation of powers ensures that the federal government's influence does not override state jurisdiction or civil legal proceedings.
Posted by: ld | Dec 2 2024 15:05 utc | 77
@54 wrote "UK voters are convincing themselves that Farage is their saviour from it. In the same way American's jumped on the Trump train. Who will the voters turn to next is the real question. As these false prophets pushing their grift are exposed via technopopulism who they really are."
It was Trump who jumped on the Voters Train not the other way around.
In the accompanying explanation, Biden pointed out that the crimes were chickenshit. He was correct. What he didn't say was the chickenshit charges were all that could be prosecuted after the FBI and CIA delayed the prosecution of the real crimes, influence peddling, bribery, unregistered foreign agent, etc. The statute of limitations ran out on anything that could be tied back to Joe. The chickenshit stuff was prosecuted out of a sense that giving the Bidens a complete pass was just too brazen, and Joe really thought he was going to run and win again. 15 million votes can't be wrong.
Posted by: jhill | Dec 2 2024 15:16 utc | 79
Joe can pardon his son as much as he wants, if Igor don't pardon him, Bo will soon have a new neighbor.
Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 2 2024 15:19 utc | 80
h @ 78
Thats half right.
He did that becouse the jews told him to.
Trump is the 'judus ram' the US voters are the sheeple.
Its like an accident waiting to happen.
Poor fools will line up to fight in some made up war somewhere.
Just like zelinsky did to the banderites.
Genicide of the american public. To the last yank.
Eugenics. Replaced by AI.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 2 2024 15:22 utc | 81
Posted by: AG | Dec 2 2024 8:54 utc | 9 Excellent. Stopped reading after this, nothing else really necessary. I'm sorry, our host has embarrassed himself.
A compulsive quibbler like me will still add, Biden gets to thumb his nose at those Democrat donors and politicians who pressured him into quitting the race.
Anyone wanting to deny lawfare is bipartisan and only charges against the God Trump count as lawfare is demonstrating proper religious conviction.
As to the abuse of the pardon power? Ford's pardon of Nixon; Bush's pardon of Scooter Libby; Trump's pardon of Charles Kushner, who was merely the father-in-law of his daughter. Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich is notably...redolent, too.
Most MoA commenters appear committed to the belief that God wrote the Constitution and delivered it to the collective Moses of the Framers in Philadelphia. There are no limits on presidential pardoning power for federal crimes adjudicated in the courts, period. Mentally re-writing the Constitution to impose one is like the filibuster rule in the Senate: Partisan politics misrepresented.
Completely irrelevant sidenote, high prices for Hunter Biden's paintings I find to be perfectly legal, but highly suspicious of corruption. Admittedly here I mean corruption in what I consider the most meaningful sense. True corruption lies in what is legal. As to the legend of the Biden crime family, there were four years under Trump to follow the money. Call me when they find it.
Loving his son is one of Joe Biden's redeeming features as an individual person. As a public figure, he is beyond redemption. That is what citizens should be most concerned with,
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 2 2024 15:25 utc | 82
Al Capone said.. Only master criminals make it to the Governors office.
Abuse of Pardon Power is that a crime? Pardoning a person for crimes that did not offend the United States seem to be outside of the power to pardon?
Is it possible pardons can be challenged for lack of Presidential authority? Looks to me like the constitutional power to pardon may be limited to crimes against the United States. Humm what exactly is a crime against the United States? Criminal holds up a convenience store, rapes someone, kills someone, speeds in a school zone, gives a camera in a traffic light the finger are those kinds of criminal activities, crimes against the United States within the constitutional meaning of "Crimes against the Untied States"? Or are such crimes, crimes against humanity and therefore not eligible for pardon?
I have long felt that corruption is a crime against humanity.. not really a crime against a government.
Article II, Section 2, paragraph 1 {The President}.. shall have power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons <=== for Offenses against the United States, except in the Cases of Impeachment..
It is highly questionable whether or not the crimes committed by those Biden just pardoned were crimes against the United States. Especially I question this in light of the recent Supreme court limitation on presidential immunity. As I understand that ruling the President is immune to criminal and civil liabilities only when the crimes he is convicted of involve official duties. His private life conduct is not immune.I do not know the citation for that case and have not read it..
Posted by: snake | Dec 2 2024 15:27 utc | 83
Why did he do it?
Because he can!
There is one set of rules for us, and another for them!
If you think you can vote yourself out of this, I have a bridge to sell you!
Resist, refuse, revolt!
Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 2 2024 15:29 utc | 85
To miss qoute Lady Braknell....
To lose one son is unfortunate, to lose two seems down right careless.
Snigger.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 2 2024 15:32 utc | 86
Like many others here, on a human and personal level, I can understand a father doing what he can for his son.
Irrespectively of Biden neither seeming to be a particularly nice human being nor a very fair-minded one.
However, the unfairness of this priviliege makes a mockery of the notion of "nobody is above the law". This is just another of the decadent and corrupt modes of the hegemon.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Dec 2 2024 15:36 utc | 87
I'd like to see Trump jump on the bandwagon and pardon everyone currently in a US prison for a victimless crime.
Or, since presidents can apparently do anything, Trump could just "unpardon" Hunter. Set a precedent. Start the first pardon-unpardon war.
Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 2 2024 15:43 utc | 88
The Biden Report - it will blow your socks off.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 2 2024 15:45 utc | 89
Heard from someone this morning that Biden will probably pardon Trump too. No idea how accurate.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 2 2024 15:47 utc | 90
Of course he had to pardon him. Discovery at trial would have been (and probably still will be) a disaster for all the perps involved. Even if he pardons his entire family, there are still too many loose ends.
Posted by: Horseless Headsman | Dec 2 2024 15:56 utc | 92
'White House touts ‘massive surge’ in arms shipments to Kiev' - RT today
and
'China vows support for Syria' - RT today
I'd suggested a tapering off drone war. Apparently the US's fairy tale status and credit rating remains when its endless colonial bluster has backing.
But is all this a dance or a requiem?
President Nuland, a completely proven fascist, is calling all the shots on one side. Thus, honoring the US debt has become a loyalty oath to international fascism. Can that last?
Bottom Line - Is China actually moving toward using its crushingly hypersonic economic sledge hammer?
I'd say so.
Posted by: elmagnostic | Dec 2 2024 16:05 utc | 93
Biden didn't decide to pardon his son. Biden can't remember his first name. I think B is on to something. Bidens handlers know Hunter is a rat. I'll bet he threatened his dads handlers to let a lot of cats out of the bag. They know the rat hunter would talk about a number of topics which could keep them out of power for a long time or maybe even send them to prison, so they used Joes DocuSign to make it happen, then gave Joe to some speed and had him read the cue card.
Ukraine seems to be the obvious concern, but I'm sure Hunter could tell many more tales. Maybe even about Nordstream.
Also, comments to the effect of "he just wants to help his son" or "Trump would have pardoned Hunter" are clearly from trolls.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 2 2024 16:07 utc | 94
#2
After this tragic accident which claimed the lives of his wife and 2 children, Joe Biden started a campaign of slander against the truck driver, accusing him driving under the influence of alchohol .. even though the driver was tested and cleared at the scene; even tho the driver risked his own life trying to avoid hitting Ms Biden's vehicle. And this from a man who called himself "Scranton Joe" champion of the blue collar man
This is possibly one of the most slanderous statements ever made by a US Semator against an American citizen .. and Joe had scarcely started his career
Posted by: Callmelennie | Dec 2 2024 16:07 utc | 95
True corruption lies in what is legal. As to the legend of the Biden crime family, there were four years under Trump to follow the money. Call me when they find it.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 2 2024 15:25 utc | 82
Amen to that. If Trump actually wanted Hunter's activities at Burisma to be investigated he would have been asking the EU authorities to investigate Hunter and Burisma.
The whole story of the prosecutor in Ukraine getting fired because he was investigating Hunter Biden is just plain silly. Hunter Biden has never set foot in Ukraine. Hunter's involvement with the Burisma money laundering schemes all took place in Europe and that's where the evidence of the crimes are to be found (if anybody wanted to look).
A The prosecutor Shokin was not fired. He resigned in 2015.
B Joe Biden was not in Kyiv about to get on a plane when Shokin resigned.
C There was no billion dollars withheld by the US
D There was no billion dollars given to Ukraine as a consequence of the prosecutor leaving. There have been many billions given to Ukraine regime, installed in 2014, at other times for many questionable reasons. But nobody wants to investigate those Billions that landed in the pockets of Ukrainian oligarchs living in their villas along the Mediterranean sea.
The entire story emerged years after the prosecutor left Ukraine with his loot under a cloud of corruption and graft. The story is a fabrication and only serves to misdirect and cover up true criminal activity.
Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2024 16:10 utc | 96
Heard from someone this morning that Biden will probably pardon Trump too. No idea how accurate.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 2 2024 15:47 utc | 90
I wouldn't hold my breath. They are saying he would pardon assange too. Lotta bullshit out there, as usual.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 2 2024 16:11 utc | 97
To stop him from giving evidence against othe family crooks.
Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Dec 2 2024 16:17 utc | 98
Meh. It seems pardoning wealthy, connected criminals is an American tradition.
I note that it was done on a slow news days. In our faces, once again, to remind us of our best justice system $$ can buy.
Posted by: Mary | Dec 2 2024 16:17 utc | 99
🤣🤣🤣 the Hunter Son
https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1863614549896610185/mediaviewer
Posted by: Mary | Dec 2 2024 16:21 utc | 100
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The Empire of lies and madness.
But strangely, nobody sees anything strange in this strange event.
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