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December 25, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-309
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.” GK Chesterton. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 28 2024 8:54 utc | 601 Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Dec 28 2024 3:06 utc | 613
The Ukraines are not just a victim of the USA+groupies, ukrops are in fact willing participants in their consumption as proxies of faraway powers. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 28 2024 8:55 utc | 602 The West has less than a month to provoke Russia. Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 9:07 utc | 603 No way. Western people are cowards. They do not want to die for their corrupt leaders, and as they are individualists, egoists, egocentrics and hedonists, they will find any means to avoid conscription. Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 9:19 utc | 604 @Naive do you expect anyone in the west to stop the conscription? The percent of people that would have stood up to stop anything was at 0.0001% and they are all already worn out. Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 9:29 utc | 605 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 28 2024 8:54 utc | 630 Posted by: Milites | Dec 28 2024 9:32 utc | 606 One little false flag, or if someplace in the west is attacked and massive signup, case in point after 2001. All the info was there then, for example Gulf of Tonkin wasn’t new already known false flag. Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 9:38 utc | 607 ah wish I could edit, I’d add to 636, the followers of both would put aside their differences(none) to stand in line with each other at the office. Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 9:39 utc | 608 Strategy of the west is to place Russia in a situation where it can not retaliate except by using nuclear weapons. And they know how deeply is the Russian elite afraid to do that and not only afraid. The West, specially Europe is an object of their desires since 1800. and they do not want to destroy it. Most probably the west has many spies around Putin and know each Russian step in advance. Posted by: vargas | Dec 28 2024 9:56 utc | 609 For the west, this is an easy war. No matter what they do to Russia, they are sure now, there will be no retaliation, no danger. That is why they can sink Russian ships and kill Russian people while keeping the narrative about the glorious superior race living in “the world’s garden”. Posted by: vargas | Dec 28 2024 10:05 utc | 610 gepostet von: Philly | 28. Dez 2024 4:40 UTC | 618 Posted by: Ich lese meist nur m | Dec 28 2024 10:37 utc | 611 …human activity involving nuclear material, weapons, and reactors. Posted by: jopalolive | Dec 28 2024 10:45 utc | 612 Only related to the UKrain topic by way of the US does have undisclosed advanced weapons systems. So the bragging about Russia, or China, or the US is the bestest is amusing. The programs are compartmentalized, so probably only a few handfuls of people know their own countries full capabilities. All i know is that we do not know. Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 10:53 utc | 613 Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 9:07 utc | 632 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 28 2024 11:04 utc | 614
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/134395 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 28 2024 11:22 utc | 615 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 28 2024 11:22 utc | 645 Posted by: alek_a | Dec 28 2024 11:27 utc | 616 But, still there is hope. The intellectual level of western leaders is based on gaming and Hollywood experiences. Compared with M. Rutte, no matter how old and weak Putin is, he is a real person, a real man. The same we can say for Trump, who has very aggressive posture at this stage, knowing how weak Putin is. Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 28 2024 11:37 utc | 617 Naked Capitalism has pointed to this Substack post about that airplane downing. Haven’t read it yet myself but it looks interesting. It’s by Andrew Korybko. Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 28 2024 11:41 utc | 618 jopalolive | Dec 28 2024 10:45 utc | 642 Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 11:46 utc | 619 “In no more than a year, the Americans will buy Nord Stream, claim it’s an American trader, and Europe will buy gas from them.” Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 11:49 utc | 620 Also, this one from Aron Maté: Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 28 2024 11:51 utc | 621 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 28 2024 11:22 utc | 645 Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 28 2024 11:57 utc | 622 Gold from Fort Knox? Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 12:06 utc | 623 Smoking gun … some of our seemingly robotic posters and their scripted posts. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 28 2024 12:10 utc | 624 re Philly | Dec 28 2024 4:40 utc | 618 Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 28 2024 12:14 utc | 625 Finland has stolen the Russian shipment of fuel-oil destined to Egypt from the confiscated tanker. The cargo has been unloaded into a local refinery. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 28 2024 12:20 utc | 626 Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 10:53 utc | 643 Posted by: jopalolive | Dec 28 2024 12:28 utc | 627 “…regularly sees on the raw data signs of unidentified crafts going many multiples of Mach ??? but they are traversing the N American continent,…” Posted by: Ledovik1 | Dec 28 2024 12:36 utc | 628 “…regularly sees on the raw data signs of unidentified crafts going many multiples of Mach ??? but they are traversing the N American continent,…” Posted by: Ledovik1 | Dec 28 2024 12:36 utc | 629 DS update: Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 28 2024 12:43 utc | 630 Ukraine is permanently bleeding abroad its teenage aged population segment after lowering of conscription age to 18. Just another nail in the coffin. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 28 2024 12:46 utc | 631 Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 28 2024 11:46 utc | 649 Posted by: jopalolive | Dec 28 2024 12:56 utc | 632 Believe they’re referenced as “angels”, and terribly fast. Posted by: jopalolive | Dec 28 2024 13:05 utc | 633 It is not a Global Power like NATO/US already is with 3 members possessing Nuclear weapons and Russia living in fear, and military bases located all over the world. Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2024 13:28 utc | 634 Some earthly variation of Oreshnik angels. Posted by: Ledovik1 | Dec 28 2024 13:36 utc | 635 Western press says,Putin apologies to Azerbaijan that Russian air defenses were working at Grozny against Ukraine drones. Posted by: Jo | Dec 28 2024 13:43 utc | 636 “ Vladimir Putin apologised for the tragic incident that occurred in Russian airspace and once again expressed his deep and sincere condolences to the families of the victims and wished a speedy recovery to the injured,” the Kremlin said in a statement. Posted by: Culero | Dec 28 2024 13:44 utc | 637 What if…. Posted by: Aarsupilani | Dec 28 2024 13:45 utc | 638 Finland has stolen the Russian shipment of fuel-oil destined to Egypt from the confiscated tanker. The cargo has been unloaded into a local refinery. Posted by: vargas | Dec 28 2024 13:46 utc | 639 Posted by: Culero | Dec 28 2024 13:44 utc | 668 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 28 2024 13:49 utc | 640
There’s a mainstream media campaign in Germany about (a) more sanctions against Russia (you all know the cliche joke about the meaning of madness…) and (b) the Baltic threat. The latter seems to prepare our brains for a form of blockade of Russian ports. Posted by: Konami | Dec 28 2024 14:00 utc | 641 Unimperator Posted by: Culero | Dec 28 2024 14:04 utc | 642 Don’t know if this has already been posted but : Posted by: bored | Dec 28 2024 14:18 utc | 643
wrong. it is pure nato nazi aggression initiated by the western desire to plunder and destroy russia. ukraine is a proxy. its the same shit the western barbarians have pulled over and over, only this time they have the mighty wurlitzer going overdrive to indoctrinate guillable idiots into believing that “we are the good guys, and russia/china/iran/venezuela etc are the bad guys”. Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 28 2024 14:19 utc | 644 I know I’ll forget someone. Posted by: Hunsdon | Dec 28 2024 14:23 utc | 645 Justpassinby Posted by: Culero | Dec 28 2024 14:37 utc | 646 Posted by: bored | Dec 28 2024 14:18 utc | 674 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 28 2024 14:38 utc | 647 The quality of trolling around here has gone from smart and subtle, trained in rhetoric to infantile and sophomoric. Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2024 14:40 utc | 648 “Predictions,” Yogi Berra famously said, “are hard to make, especially about the future.” Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 14:40 utc | 649
And I don’t expect any braindead NAFO fan to appreciate the genocidal pain and misery caused by the FUKU$ nations in Donbass for 10 years. So far this is a police operation to prevent Nato from continuing genocide but developed accordingly into a war with full Nato potential involvement. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 28 2024 14:46 utc | 650
as an old german, not a fan of anything, but a advocate against nato, there is no “orwellian justification” for “russkie fans” to obfuscate anything. i can clearly see what our german regime is doing. every person that is not indoctrinated by you nafos see this and knows this. Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 28 2024 14:49 utc | 651 ossi Posted by: Culero | Dec 28 2024 14:51 utc | 652
He is not bright. He matriculated with the lowest possible grade in the shortest possible math course in high school. When publicly asked what is 5 to power of 3 he answered 75 and shrugged all off. He is one the Huey, Dewey and Louie that were just raised broilers to political positions that were absolutely obedient and foremost of all dumb enough. His “thesis” from the LSE is ridiculous hiding behind NDA’s and confidentiality. A total WEF NPC. Posted by: Catilina | Dec 28 2024 14:52 utc | 653 Completely new tones from Japan Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 14:53 utc | 654 Completely new tones from Japan Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 14:56 utc | 655 Posted by: vargas | Dec 28 2024 9:56 utc | 638 And 639 Posted by: scc | Dec 28 2024 15:06 utc | 656 Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 14:56 utc | 685 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 28 2024 15:07 utc | 657 USA and hypersonic defense… Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 15:08 utc | 658 Culero, Posted by: paddy | Dec 28 2024 15:12 utc | 659
It will continue. The SMO might conclude at some point, but western-sponsored t*rrorism well inside Russia will continue, until the root cause — the Empire — is brought to heel.
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 28 2024 15:30 utc | 660 paddy Posted by: Culero | Dec 28 2024 15:31 utc | 661 Posted by: bored | Dec 28 2024 14:18 utc | 674 Posted by: donten | Dec 28 2024 15:41 utc | 663
https://ukranews.com/en/news/1055552-national-bank-sets-new-record-for-selling-foreign-currency-to-support-hryvnia Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2024 15:42 utc | 664 Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 28 2024 15:06 utc | 687 Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 28 2024 15:43 utc | 665 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2024 15:42 utc | 696 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 28 2024 15:55 utc | 666 A timely dose of rock-hard reality from Ramzy Mardini:
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/perils-escalation-russia-are-still-very-real-214177 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 28 2024 15:58 utc | 667 When braindead NAFO trolling reaches this fever pitch, two things are likely: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 28 2024 16:06 utc | 668
I totally agree with your sentiment. Will Tulsi have the stamina or will she end up like Liz’ lettuce, forced to resign under the sheer pressure? Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 28 2024 16:14 utc | 669 ‘The Express’… ‘confirmed by Ukraine’s military’… ‘unnamed Pentagon officials’… Posted by: 10^30 chess | Dec 28 2024 16:24 utc | 670 Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 28 2024 16:14 utc | 702 Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 16:37 utc | 671 I totally agree with your sentiment. Will Tulsi have the stamina or will she end up like Liz’ lettuce, forced to resign under the sheer pressure? Posted by: malenkov | Dec 28 2024 16:41 utc | 672 And the same people who told you that Russia was about to invade Ukraine when everyone here was babbling about “western propaganda”… Posted by: malenkov | Dec 28 2024 16:43 utc | 673 Comrade Stalin would have found simple solutions to the numerous problems that are constantly being discussed here. Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 28 2024 17:14 utc | 674 Why has not a single tank rolled off the production line in Germany in 2024? Only OLD ones have been refurbished. Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 28 2024 17:22 utc | 675 If conscripted they will go, they are mindless worshipers of government. Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2024 17:25 utc | 676
Thanks. May I paraphrase a line from the X-Files TV series (“Terma”):
@ Ossi 704: Thanks for the additional data points. I do have some doubts on the reliability (much will be kept secret), but on the other hand, Western MSM would be showing happy factory workers proudly showing off their latest boom-boom produce in a marathon attempt to intimidate Russia and BRICS. Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 28 2024 17:33 utc | 677 Hunsdon | Dec 28 2024 14:23 utc | 676 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 28 2024 20:10 utc | 678 Nervous German | Dec 28 2024 15:30 utc | 693 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 28 2024 20:59 utc | 679 10^30 chess | Dec 28 2024 16:24 utc | 703 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 28 2024 21:26 utc | 680 Posted by: jopalolive | Dec 28 2024 10:45 utc | 642 Posted by: Milites | Dec 28 2024 21:31 utc | 681 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 28 2024 16:41 utc | 705 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 28 2024 21:38 utc | 682 ossi 686 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 28 2024 22:12 utc | 683 re LoveDonbass @21:38 utc (#715) Posted by: malenkov | Dec 28 2024 22:21 utc | 684 Symmetry inside the mind of an enslaved dog: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 28 2024 23:18 utc | 685 Posted by: ossi | Dec 28 2024 14:40 utc | 680 Posted by: Hunsdon | Dec 28 2024 23:45 utc | 686 “The idea of the BRICS was formulated by Chief Economist at Goldman Sachs, Jim O’Neill, in a 2001 study entitled “Building Better Global Economic BRICs” Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 29 2024 0:38 utc | 687 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 28 2024 21:38 utc | 715 Posted by: Milites | Dec 29 2024 0:44 utc | 688 @Nobody special 126 Posted by: Sam | Dec 29 2024 1:23 utc | 689 “You do remember that in 22 days there is going to be a new administration,” Posted by: Rhymerez | Dec 29 2024 2:29 utc | 690 |
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