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December 25, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-309
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Small update of the sinking of the Ursa Major (Russian Cargo) if it hasn’t already been posted. Greetings from Vladimir Zelenski to all fallen Ukrainian soldiers on the day of the Jewish Hanukkah.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 12:39 utc | 202 184…one UK paper is peddling that Putin best buddy Kadyrov’s(blame it all on Putin) troops fired off a Pantsir thinking the plane was a Ukraine drone….seems rather far fetched due to the range from a possible launch site plus radar signature would surely be quite different??? Was a regular flight too? Posted by: Jo | Dec 26 2024 12:44 utc | 203
neo-nazism is not a religion. they can be jews, muslims, or as the majority, catholic christians. Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 26 2024 12:51 utc | 204 Reportedly a Nato military train carrying 155mm shells, ATACMS missiles and Bradley IFVs has been struck by Iskander in Kozatyn, Vinnytsa region during its unloading process. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 12:52 utc | 205 Posted by: username | Dec 26 2024 8:28 utc | 172 Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 26 2024 12:59 utc | 206 idiot buying bureaucrat Posted by: Palmar | Dec 26 2024 13:09 utc | 207 Yo Ho Ho what did the bearded men bring shelenski this year? Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2024 13:22 utc | 208 Posted by: Jo | Dec 26 2024 12:44 utc | 203 “.seems rather far fetched due to the range from a possible launch site plus radar signature would surely be quite different??? Was a regular flight too” Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 26 2024 13:23 utc | 209
Indeed. And without any concession to reality. The pattern is so obvious as to be florescent…visible from space. Their masters practically telegraph their thoughts here. We know this view, have heard it ad nauseum and have rejected it utterly as being detached from reality. Maybe try a new song and dance, to avoid the reality Ukraine is lost. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 26 2024 13:44 utc | 210 so euronews now reports that azeri news told them that government sources told them that a “russian missile” hit the plane due to drone activity over grozny. Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 26 2024 14:10 utc | 211 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 26 2024 13:44 utc | 210 Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 26 2024 14:28 utc | 212 Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 26 2024 14:10 utc | 211 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 14:29 utc | 213 @213 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 14:30 utc | 214 @ Mango | Dec 26 2024 5:14 utc Posted by: necromancer | Dec 26 2024 14:35 utc | 216 Can anyone think of any crazed Nazi headchopper types that like blowing up civilians and would happily shoot down a plane with Russian friendlies on board who have lately been gifted large numbers of MANPADS? I’m having a hard time thinking of any… Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 26 2024 14:37 utc | 218 **** retroflecks @171 Posted by: Jerr | Dec 26 2024 14:37 utc | 219 Today’s Russian drone attack looks like one meant to deplete the defender. A swath of cheapest of the cheap. That means that the real thing is about to come. Posted by: Catilina | Dec 26 2024 14:39 utc | 220 Anyone who thinks their existence has to mean something merely displays the narcissism and hubris of this silly viral species. Posted by: WilsonK | Dec 26 2024 14:50 utc | 221 So today’s news out of Azerbaijan is that Russian defense system was to blame for the airliner crash. This per an investigator speaking to the local media. Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 15:03 utc | 222 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 14:29 utc | 213 Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 26 2024 15:03 utc | 223 Russian AD may have shot down an F-16 in Zaporozhye region. The information is still unconfirmed. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 15:16 utc | 224 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 26 2024 11:03 utc | 225 Posted by: Milites | Dec 26 2024 15:21 utc | 225 FSB has unveiled a SBU/FUKU$ plot of assassinating Russian top level officials. Agents from Ukraine had been sent to Russia via Moldova and Georgia under guise of deported persons. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 15:26 utc | 226 Posted by: Milites | Dec 26 2024 9:57 utc | 185 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 15:39 utc | 227 I will agree with Johan Kaspar, Trump might be a good thing for the USA … in the same way Gorbachev was a “good” thing for SSSR. Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 26 2024 15:41 utc | 228 Posted by: WilsonK | Dec 26 2024 14:50 utc | 221 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 15:44 utc | 229 Now Russia has shut down all 4 Moscow airports and fifth 100 miles away. Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 15:47 utc | 230 Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 15:47 utc | 230 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 15:57 utc | 231 @ Culero | Dec 26 2024 15:47 utc | 230 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 26 2024 16:02 utc | 232 Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 26 2024 12:51 utc | 204 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 16:02 utc | 233 Weeb Union’s latest video shows that the Russians are bypassing Pakrovsk and going straight for the Metinvest Coke plant west of the city. I hadn’t realized that it was so far west. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 26 2024 16:03 utc | 234 Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 15:03 utc | 222 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 16:04 utc | 235 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 26 2024 16:03 utc | 234 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 16:06 utc | 236 Unimperator – Let’s assume what you say is correct. Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 16:08 utc | 237 Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 26 2024 14:37 utc | 218 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 16:09 utc | 238 About China’s influence over Russia economically, why doesn’t anyone mention China’s influence over America? It was mentioned earlier this year that the US Navy couldn’t source critical parts and components outside of China. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 16:17 utc | 239 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 16:17 utc | 239 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 16:20 utc | 240 I can beat this: Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 26 2024 16:25 utc | 241 Putin and Russia are failing. Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 26 2024 16:25 utc | 242 Posted by: Milites | Dec 26 2024 15:21 utc | 225
There is resolution to the apparent fallacy. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 26 2024 16:33 utc | 243 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 16:04 utc | 235
Check out what “culo” means in Spanish and you will know from where the faggot (‘culero’) pulled off that info. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 26 2024 16:37 utc | 244 Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 16:08 utc | 237 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 16:37 utc | 245 @245 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 16:40 utc | 246 @ unimperator | Dec 26 2024 16:40 utc | 246 Posted by: boneless | Dec 26 2024 16:47 utc | 247 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 26 2024 16:37 utc | 244 Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 26 2024 16:56 utc | 248 @ g wiltek | Dec 26 2024 17:06 utc | 250 Posted by: boneless | Dec 26 2024 17:13 utc | 250 “Putin’s desperate search to continue to supply Western arms factories with gas, oil and various metals, factories that supply the Ucronazis with ammunition, missiles, drones that kill Russian civilians and soldiers, and that prolong the war has something perverse and incomprehensible to me. Posted by: Ering46z | Dec 26 2024 17:19 utc | 251 I think Russia should hit missile manufacturing plants in UK. hit US missile storage facilities in Europe Posted by: Clever Dog | Dec 26 2024 17:21 utc | 252
Not to take away from your comment, however there is continuous and increasing blabbering from US think tanks, Pentagon and White House about winning a ‘limited nuke war’ against Russia. So it seems to me the willingness of Nato to not want to use nukes is not that obvious. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 17:33 utc | 253 I know you are supposed to let sleeping dogs be, even clever ones. Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 26 2024 17:33 utc | 254 Atheists may also find meaning in their lives through family, friends, and good deeds. Nihilists, on the other hand, believe that life is ultimately pointless. They may find temporary happiness in things, but eventually, they will see that they are meaningless. Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Dec 26 2024 17:43 utc | 255 RE: Russia shot down an F16. Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 26 2024 17:43 utc | 256 there is continuous and increasing blabbering from US think tanks, Pentagon and White House about winning a ‘limited nuke war’ against Russia. Posted by: burak | Dec 26 2024 17:44 utc | 257 I always enjoy a dichotomy, and I am confronted with one here. Posted by: Hunsdon | Dec 26 2024 17:45 utc | 258 @255 Posted by: Barton Bendish | Dec 26 2024 18:00 utc | 259 Posted by: Hunsdon | Dec 26 2024 17:45 utc | 259 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 18:04 utc | 260 Unimperator Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 18:15 utc | 261 The situation may change if Ukraine receives a big number of F16s with professional foreign pilots. Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 26 2024 18:17 utc | 262 Posted by: Ering46z | Dec 26 2024 17:19 utc | 252 Posted by: scc | Dec 26 2024 18:19 utc | 263 Now Russia has shut down all 4 Moscow airports and fifth 100 miles away. Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 18:20 utc | 264 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 18:04 utc | 261 Posted by: Hunsdon | Dec 26 2024 18:24 utc | 265 Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 18:15 utc | 262 Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 18:26 utc | 266 @ Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 26 2024 16:33 utc | 243 Posted by: fnord | Dec 26 2024 18:26 utc | 267 Follow up on my previous comment, I neglected to mention the Ukrainian attack drone activity on Dec 25 which would indicate either that: Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 18:26 utc | 268 @ Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 18:26 utc | 269 Posted by: boneless | Dec 26 2024 18:30 utc | 269 @ Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 18:37 utc | 270 Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 18:26 utc | 269 Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 18:38 utc | 271 A yankee Boeing P-8A Poseidon is currently circling over Romania close to the Ukrainian border and the Black Sea coast. Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 18:43 utc | 272 Busy in here today, must be all the bargain-basement trolls out for the Boxing Day sales. Wonder if there is a basket of remaindered editions? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 26 2024 18:45 utc | 273 It seems there’s a general agreement on MoA (at least among the non-trolls) that escalation beyond the borders of Ukraine is undesirable, but I would appreciate it if some of the regular Barflies would enlighten me on what they consider the downsides to be. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 18:46 utc | 274 @ Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 18:38 utc | 272 Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 18:58 utc | 275 It seems there’s a general agreement on MoA (at least among the non-trolls) that escalation beyond the borders of Ukraine is undesirable, but I would appreciate it if some of the regular Barflies would enlighten me on what they consider the downsides to be. Posted by: Ed | Dec 26 2024 18:58 utc | 276 There are more murmurs of the F-16 shot down over Zaporozhye. Apparently the plane was shot down as it was at launch position during or after launching its missile(s). Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 19:00 utc | 277 @ Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 18:37 utc | 271 Posted by: boneless | Dec 26 2024 19:02 utc | 278 Posted by: Barton Bendish | Dec 26 2024 18:00 utc | 260 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 26 2024 19:13 utc | 279 No one said it was shot down. Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 19:15 utc | 280 @Barton Bendish | Dec 26 2024 18:00 utc, who asked (my paraphrase) “why is Russian escalation outside Ukraine borders undesirable from Russia’s perspective”? Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Dec 26 2024 19:16 utc | 281 Democracyatwork.info Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 26 2024 19:17 utc | 282 In short, the biggest blow Russia has struck beyond the borders of Ukraine is to force those who regarded themselves as all-powerful into having to reveal the limits of their power. Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 19:22 utc | 283 @ Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 19:23 utc | 284 @281 Posted by: Paddy | Dec 26 2024 19:23 utc | 285 Posted by: Ed | Dec 26 2024 18:58 utc | 277
Of course, the implication here is that Western deterrence is still intact even as we witness its gradual erosion on the Russian side. This development is a strategic loss for Russia. Posted by: robin | Dec 26 2024 19:27 utc | 286 @ Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 19:23 utc | 285
Now you backpedal (not the first time you do that) saying “it’s perfectly possible”, after insulting those claiming as much.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 26 2024 19:31 utc | 287 @ Posted by: Naive | Dec 26 2024 19:15 utc | 281 Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 19:32 utc | 288 Another insult, this time implied, another backpedal. Posted by: boneless | Dec 26 2024 19:34 utc | 289 Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 16:08 utc | 237 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 26 2024 19:39 utc | 290 There are more murmurs of the F-16 shot down over Zaporozhye. Apparently the plane was shot down as it was at launch position during or after launching its missile(s). Posted by: Newbie | Dec 26 2024 19:39 utc | 291 Lot of earnestly breathless speculation and counter-speculation about the aircraft crash and the ship sinking, all based on sometimes conflicting “information” leaks. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 26 2024 19:44 utc | 292 Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 26 2024 18:26 utc | 269 Posted by: Ed | Dec 26 2024 19:46 utc | 293 There is no favorable endgame for Putin and Russia with respect to the SMO. Russia is not weak per se, however the immediate as well as longer term consequences are guaranteed to be lackluster at best and tragic at worst. Posted by: Culero | Dec 26 2024 19:56 utc | 294 It is obvious Ursa Major, the Russian ship that sank in the Kerch strait, the ‘cable attacks’ in the Baltic sea, of which has been several events in November and December are all connected. This is a joint western hybrid war against Russian shipping, to put simply. There is very little chance of it being anything else. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2024 20:10 utc | 295 @260 Posted by: paddy | Dec 26 2024 20:11 utc | 296 At this time, there is no favorable outcome for NATO, Ukraine, or Europe. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2024 20:13 utc | 297 Now the Western press is going wild over the possible “shooting down” of an Azerbaijani passenger plane by a “Russian missile”. What they are deliberately failing to mention is that a Ukrainian drone attack took place at the same time as the passenger plane approached Grozny. This, of course, triggered the air defenses. If the plane was actually downed by an air defense missile, it would most likely have been caused by debris; if it had been a direct hit, there would have been no survivors. In this case, it looks more as if the Ukraine has cleverly directed the Russian air defense towards the passenger plane. The anti-aircraft gunners would have been faced with the difficult decision of doing nothing and risking fatalities on the ground or an attack by the drone on the plane, or trying to fend off the drones. But the press practitioners (they must be, given the low level of articles) deliberately fail to mention this. Posted by: xblob | Dec 26 2024 20:14 utc | 298 It’s like that pro-America guy who didn’t know who the Houthis were, and when it was brought up, he didn’t even have the intelligence to Google it. Posted by: malenkov | Dec 26 2024 20:16 utc | 299 In 2014 Putin said: Posted by: username | Dec 26 2024 20:21 utc | 300 |
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