@Tim 731 – nonsense. As with a meteorite, the speed is increased by gravity in the direction of flight. The energy of the drive is only needed to reach the top speed and altitude, not after that.
Tim needs to revise his physics knowledge. Also, if the glide vehicles have their own rocket propulsion, this would supplement the gravitational potential energy and result in enhanced speed on impact.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 22 2024 9:47 utc | 733
Haha! I have a degree in physics my friend 🙂 But all you need is a GCSE. Energy is conserved. The gravitational potential energy released on descent exactly equals the chemical energy in the fuel required to lift it up in the first place (a great deal of that chemical energy is also lost as heat). The kinetic energy acquired through rocket propulsion exactly equals the chemical energy in the fuel required to achieve that speed (again with significant losses)

Posted by: Tim | Dec 22 2024 13:43 utc | 3

150,000 Ukrainians have left Ukraine in the last 24 hours.
This is according to the border service. It says this is a “record number of people in recent years”.
The increase was recorded along the entire Ukrainian border, but especially on the section with Poland.
That is 150,000 people with the possibility of escape. It is safe to say that the number of those who flee the Kiev regime without papers through bypass routes is many times higher.
At the same time, there has been no significant increase in the number of people returning to Ukraine. Many times more people leave the Zelensky concentration camp than enter it.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/34515

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 22 2024 13:48 utc | 5

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 22 2024 13:48 utc | 5
As Ukraine armed forces manpower shortage increase, friendly boarders from Poland to Moldova could become very porous.
Loosing people especially youth bigger loss than territory

Posted by: Michael J | Dec 22 2024 14:12 utc | 7

6 – Oscar Jenkins looks like he hasn’t had a square meal in a while. Is 404 running out of rations?

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 22 2024 14:58 utc | 9

Here’s the story on Oscar Jenkins as published in Latvian news.

Victor Vodolatsky: Russian State Duma deputy Vodolatsky: “We will make every effort to solve the problem of exchanging Semyon Boikov for the Australian mercenary Oscar Jenkins, who was captured near Kramatorsk today. ”
Russian fighters captured a mercenary from Australia. The “Australian Cossack” Semyon Boikov has a chance to return to Russia.
https://latvia.news-pravda.com/en/world/2024/12/22/2054.html

Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Dec 22 2024 15:38 utc | 11

Tempers seem to be fraying:

A video of the mother of a 20-year-old resident of Ukraine, who curses the head of the Kiev regime, Vladimir Zelensky, is spreading on social networks.
“A manipulator and a clown, a scumbag and a creature that destroys its people” — this is only part of the epithets addressed to Zelensky. As The Other Ukraine writes, “her emotional and bone—chilling appeal is a real cry of the soul.” The woman curses Zelensky for the tears of all mothers, and also says that she is not afraid of Russia, and those who seized power on Ukraine and destroys its people.
“I am very scared to go out to work. And I, the beast, pay taxes, try to support myself, my family, try to live despite the fact that I don’t sleep at night,” the woman says, addressing Zelensky.
She notes that Kiev propaganda blames Russia for all the troubles of Ukraine. However, the real culprit is Zelensky and those who stand behind him. They plundered the country, led the people to poverty.
“Zelensky, you are a creature… a creature that destroys its people… rotting, sold… You are a creature, you have bred creatures in my country…”, — says the Ukrainian.
The woman notes that she raised her son for 20 years, but not so that Zelensky, who had never served in the army and was hiding from the draft, would take him to the slaughterhouse.
“Now you are grabbing these guys, destroying them. These mothers are standing under the military enlistment offices for a day, asking at least to pass on food to their sons… you bastard, you’re the first to catch it… I hate and will pray to God that you die,” the resident of Ukraine concludes her appeal.

https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/12/22/a-creature-that-destroys-its-people-the-mother-of-a-20-year-old-ukrainian-cursed-zelensky

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 22 2024 15:41 utc | 13

Putin calls the Oreshnik “a historic event in the rocket and space industry”

Putin: “Oreshnik” is not the event of the year, it is a historic event in the rocket and space industry. Nothing like this has ever happened before, it is the first time this has happened with this type of weapon. There were different points of view on this matter in the Ministry of Defense. In the end, I joined those who believed that it: a) should be produced and gave a direct order to do so, to allocate the necessary resources, and b) agreed with those who believed that the time had come to test it in combat conditions. So, of course, this is part of my job.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/115834

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 22 2024 15:52 utc | 15

Once you lose the mothers, you lose the nation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2024 15:50 utc | 14
Word for word, that is exactly what I thought when I first read the article.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 22 2024 15:59 utc | 17

@bored
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(and so it’s same as, I get no account creation ID message by phone, being on PC, have no Smartphone for QR code)

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 22 2024 16:27 utc | 19

Copied from the previous Ukraine thread, cause I felt this was a gem :
@ LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2024 14:28 utc | 743
“you can’t be the good guy if you behave like a bad guy.”

Posted by: Featherless | Dec 22 2024 16:38 utc | 21

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 22 2024 13:36 utc | 2
Are they planning a quick Odessa surge like seen in Syria in time for President Trump and then peace talks?
Even tactics could be different considering partisans inside and Transnistria neighbours
Posted by: Michael J | Dec 22 2024 14:20 utc | 8
IF, and that’s a big if, something like that happened it would prove a scenario I proposed at trump’s appointments (big on ME hawks) were made, a quid pro quo of syria for ukraine.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 22 2024 16:47 utc | 23

bored @ 18
SOME INFO FOR ANYONE USING TG ON THEIR PC:
I was going to past this in the Open Thread, if on a PC you need to reinstall TG.
I installed TG long ago on my Android phone and on my Mac before the SMO, I had read that recently TG was much improved but on the Mac it got steady updates, I checked the web and saw I had the current version and left it that. However, it had become slow as heck loading vids and getting ever slower till some vids wouldn’t load at all. I figured best to reinstall but was very hesitant out of fear of losing all my channels, a ton accumulated over the SMO and I’m too lazy to clean it up, and fear of losing all my settings, and it’s a dated mac so who knows. I screen shot my channel list and all the settings trashed the original, reinstalled and hoped for the best.
It went fine, TG reinstalled all my channels but the settings had to be all redone, including the security settings, the privacy settings are important, you should set “nobody” except friends to see your tel #. The settings have a new look and required some time to find everything but it’s all there as before. I don’t remember but I think I needed the original secret account code to reinstall which I had.
I was surprised, I got a totally new TG with a new look, snappier, everything loads quick now, videos buffer and play way faster. Takes a bit to adapt to the new GUI but it’s fine.
Long story short, if you are having trouble with TG on your PC and you haven’t installed it recently you need to trash the old one and reinstall the latest version, probably came out 3-4 months ago. Don’t let the continuing updates of the old version fool you into thinking you are actually up to date.
Again this is for PC, on Android it seems fine and I don’t think the app needs to be reinstalled.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 22 2024 16:55 utc | 25

Simplicius seems to confirm the lopsided loss ratios that are adverse to Ukraine.

Yesterday another ‘exchange of bodies’ was announced, which was so lopsided in Russia’s favor that even I was at first instinctually skeptical. For the past two exchanges, the numbers were extremely lopsided, nor any ‘source’ given so I retained a healthy sense of skepticism, refusing to post about it until I can uncover more validating info for myself.
Previously, the exchanges I had reported on went as follows:
May 31 exchange: 45 Russian bodies vs. 212 Ukrainian bodies.
June 14 exchange: 32 Russian bodies vs. 254 Ukrainian bodies.
August 4 exchange: 38 Russian bodies vs. 250 Ukrainian bodies.
October 18 exchange: 89 Russian bodies vs. 501 Ukrainian bodies.
Since then, there have been three new claimed exchanges as follows:
November 8 exchange: 37 Russian bodies vs. 563 Ukrainian bodies.
November 29 exchange: 48 Russian bodies vs. 502 Ukrainian bodies.
December 20 exchange: 42 Russian bodies vs. 508 Ukrainian bodies.

Note that both sides are reporting the Ukrainian KIAs (returned to Ukraine from Russia), but only Russian side is reporting the Russian body count. On average we can say it is 8:1 for RUAF advantage.
Also one can deduce from Simplicius that around 25 % of new AFU recruits are fit for combat, rest are alcoholics, sick or old and in bad condition.
NATO trained air defense operators are now put on the front.
Latest official data says Ukraine had 19000 deserters in November 2024. However, in an officially reported desertion case, a commander must appoint and approve an official investigation, so 19000 is the minimum number. Ukrainian journalist Vladimir Boyko reporting this predicts the dispersal of the Ukrainian army by Spring 2025.
French trained Ukrainian brigade has scattered and fled from the front.
CIA leader Burns visited Kiev to give last instructions to Zelensky.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 22 2024 17:08 utc | 27

Putin says the conflict in Ukraine is not WWIII and makes a curious comparison with the Crimean war. He says most of Europe was against Russia then, but Britain and France became Russian allies in the WWI.
He also recalls Russia’s isolation after Crimean war, which Russian Empire lost but recovered all the damage 20 years later, also liberating Bulgaria in the process.
These historical analogies underscore Kremlin’s desire to return to friendly relations with the West after Ukraine war, rather than attacking NATO countries as supporters of increased military spending insinuate.

Posted by: Leonid Ragozin | Dec 22 2024 17:27 utc | 29

French trained Ukrainian brigade has scattered and fled from the front.

the jokes write themself.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 22 2024 17:34 utc | 31

29 – Odd comparison, as it was a lost war and a spur to reform, like ending serfdom. As to Russia liberating, in fact creating Bulgaria, the Bulgarians are not exactly grateful now, at any rate the ones in government are not.
Fundamentally the imperialist aim (I won’t say Western) is to reduce Russia to what Ukraine is now, and plunder its vast national resources. I think any “we can be friends again” attitude on the part of Putin or any leader who comes after is potentially disastrous. There is a reason Putin said they are not capable of making agreements. It is because it is bloody obvious they are not capable of making agreements.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 22 2024 17:41 utc | 33

There is censorship by Kiev and the “Western” MSM is good at suppressing awkward stories. @ Waldorf | Dec 22 2024 17:29 utc | 30

Speaking of, according to Rybar, according to DPR Joker:

https://t.me/rybar/66550
Ukrainian media will soon meet the new head of USAID
The DPR Joker has published an extremely interesting USAID document about the search for a candidate for the vacancy of “Senior Communications Advisor” to organize propaganda work in the so-called Ukraine.
As early as January 2025, a new American leader will have to come to Kyiv and lead the work of coordinating various media structures, as stated “in order to strengthen public understanding of USAID’s goals.”
And since the USAID “assistance” programs in the territory of the so-called Ukraine include almost all spheres of life in the country, it is not surprising that the range of responsibilities for the impressive $150 thousand is designated quite broad.
In general, the tightening of manual control over Kiev’s communication strategies is designed not so much for information wars with Russia ( although that too ), but rather to minimize the consequences of the local population’s fatigue from the war and upcoming unpopular decisions, such as lowering the mobilization age .
And apparently stories about Western aid programs should sweeten the pill.

The “sovereign state” is getting more “sovereign” by the day. Must be coming from all the winning going on over there.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 22 2024 17:47 utc | 35

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 22 2024 17:38 utc | 32
##########
The elite Ukrainian troops are not Russians. They are Nazi LARPers who worship the Norse pantheon and reject Jesus.
Russians fight so well and hard is a cultural thing. They are animated by their religion and love of their nation. The Ukronazis are motivated by hate of Russians, not a love of Ukraine, which isn’t even a real country.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2024 17:50 utc | 37

Norwegian @ 28

I have TG on Win10, Win11, Linux, IPhone. No issues. What you talk about is probably local to you.

Maybe it’s a Mac thing, but nothing in the updates from TG told me to update my version, or my browser, or my OS, so, if not for dumb luck thinking my version had become corrupted I never would have known there was a new TG I had to install. Very strange to not send out a notice in the update flag, could be the fault of the old OSX version I’m running on the laptop, I’ve had no issue with a current model Mini. Several peeps here have reported problems with TG, so reinstalling the latest dl would be the first thing to try.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 22 2024 17:54 utc | 39

Justpassinby @ 31

French trained Ukrainian brigade has scattered and fled from the front. the jokes write themself.

Someone else had posted this here, so with a hat tip to them, here it is again:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2p8222

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 22 2024 18:04 utc | 41

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 22 2024 17:46 utc | 35
Thank you for your post and the links.
Martyanov wouldn’t be thrilled if he read this.
He remains completely convinced of the devastating effect of the new Russian wonder weapon, what the babushka said on the phone: Everything has crumbled to dust …

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 22 2024 18:25 utc | 43

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 22 2024 18:25 utc | 44
And this, folks, is how you can tell someone has posted without reading the thread first…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 22 2024 18:47 utc | 45

The Zio-Monster Netanyahu is skipping an event next month in Poland – which celebrates the liberating of Auschwitz (oh the irony) anyway, Netanyahu fears that he will be arrested in Poland – as Poland is a signatory to the Rome Statute, and is obliged to arrest Netanyahu due to the ICC’s arrest warrant.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 22 2024 18:52 utc | 47

@LightYearsFromHome
that doesn’t help. If I don’t have a smartphone, I need an SMS with a code on my phone or QU code to open it on the PC. But when I use the QR code on the PC I get “cannot be decrypted”.
But I don’t get an SMS from Telegram on my phone. So I can’t set up an account.

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 22 2024 18:55 utc | 49

I continue to be amazed at the surrealistic nature of the attacks in Russia and Ukraine. We will know soon enough whether a negotiated settlement is to be had. I Russia can not continue tit for tat. The attacks on it harm it but the attacks on Ukraine are attacks on a proxy.
While the who and whats of a negotiated settlement are important it seems to me that the west wantas to continue to operate Bidencraine. Really neither of the two most outcomes are realistic. A Russian victory where Ukraine no longer represents a security threat. A Ukraine victory where it regains the ethnically Russian areas. Bidencraine will find some way to make itself a security threat to Russia. Bidencraine is the worlds largest theme park the theme being MIC sponsored graft. Bidencraine is only matched by its sister themepark offering genocideworld.
Theme parks gonna theme.
The continuing drone and missile attacks on Russia will lead to WW3 sooner or later. A Hybrid Bidencraine theme park on the border is guaranteed trouble of some sort. The negotiations are how radical the theme park will be but as we always witness the rules are more guidelines than actual rules. I will welcome a negotiated settlement but really it is not a true solution where things are settled. Its a tough decision for Russia. WW3 or Bidencraine lite. Russia hopes for the best and prepares or the worst mass producing nuclear hypersonics not as a deterrent but to get the job done.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 22 2024 19:40 utc | 51

but my position has consistently been that Russia is paying a huge price for this mess.
Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 22 2024 19:29 utc | 50
Not in personnel and not in equipment (since they’re handily beating NATO clearing out their old stuff).
Russia’s standing in the greater world community (outside of the NATO) has been enhanced, their economy is doing far better than most, and their military is now arguably more capable now than it’s ever been.
The one’s paying a huge price are the EU (in killing their economies), NATO (in both depleting and discrediting their militaries) and Ukraine (sacrificing everything for the aforementioned parties).

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 22 2024 19:51 utc | 53

Oh, and just to head off any nonsense about interest rates or inflation rates…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 22 2024 19:56 utc | 55
Yeah, have to laugh every time “the Ruble’s crashing” is cited as a reason Russia’s collapse is somehow imminent.
The X NAFO’s have always been filled with such nonsense, but these days they’ve gotten to the point of extreme parodies of themselves.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 22 2024 20:02 utc | 55

The Patriot about as good as the S-300
THAAD a pale copy of the S-400.
Neither can intercept the Kinzhal let alone the Oreshnik
What does NATO have left?
Oh, wait the “Aegis”. A system that could have intercepted the ancient Soviet “Pioneer-3” missile and that’s about it.
Russia has silently bypassed the Western military-industrial complex in the most sensitive issue of global security. Technologies of “small and medium” hypersonic, nullifying any attempts at a preventive disarming strike.
Nato’s air defence/missile defence systems are stuck somewhere in the middle 1990s.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 22 2024 20:09 utc | 57

Ukraine just blew up another oil field inside Russia :
https://metro.co.uk/2024/12/22/putin-vows-revenge-russian-oil-field-blown-massive-drone-strike-22235345/amp/
Video at link. Tit for tat destruction of energy infrastructure.

Posted by: bored | Dec 22 2024 20:21 utc | 59

The kinetic energy acquired through rocket propulsion exactly equals the chemical energy in the fuel required to achieve that speed (again with significant losses)
Posted by: Tim | Dec 22 2024 13:43 utc | 3

Exactly. And that is why the famous Oreshnik missile is very limited in its destructive potential. I don’t know if it really hits its target with Mach 10, and if it can’t be intercepted with state of the art air defense devices. But it is certainly not true that two Oreshniks are comparable to 1 nuclear bomb, as Putin has famously claimed. Chemical energy of a given mass is confined, many orders of magnitude below nuclear energy that can be released from the same mass. What is Putin’s background? Certainly not physics. As a rule: As soon as you stray from your area of competence, you start making embarrasing mistakes…

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 22 2024 20:31 utc | 61

Russia be like live and let live. The west be like wheres our cut in that? That half T we stole is 90 days of expenses. And our Ukraine franchise gets downsized? Unacceptable.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 22 2024 20:30 utc | 61
There’s still Western assets available for Russian seizure as well.
Regardless, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference if the West finds such outcomes unacceptable when they lack the means to do anything about it. The reason they’re making such a nuisance of themselves on the periphery is precisely because that’s all they have left.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 22 2024 20:41 utc | 63

@ Grunzt – 62
“I don’t know if it really hits its target with Mach 10, and if it can’t be intercepted with state of the art air defense
devices”.
NATO air defence is stuck somewhere in the mid-90s so no it can’t be intercepted.
The Oreshnik reportedly delivers a conventional payload divided into six warhead clusters, allowing for up to 36 kinetic energy strikes from high altitude. These projectiles rely on immense speed—possibly Mach 10—and high heat to destroy targets through impact. Such precision is critical, as kinetic weapons are ineffective without direct hits.
Missile accuracy is typically assessed using the Circular Error Probable (CEP), which measures the radius of a circle where 50% of projectiles are expected to land. For instance, a CEP of 100 metres implies a 200-metre diameter area. Early ballistic missiles like Germany’s V-2 had a CEP of 4-5km, making precise targeting impractical. Modern weapons like Russia’s Kinzhal claim a CEP of 10-20 metres, allowing for precise strikes on small targets from long distances. Greater accuracy reduces required munitions and increases the efficiency of targeting multiple locations.
Looking at the picture from the attack by Oreshnik it looks like the CEP is even less than 10 metres.
Accuracy is the key to its strategic power.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 22 2024 20:51 utc | 65

“I don’t know if it really hits its target with Mach 10, and if it can’t be intercepted with state of the art air defense devices. But it is certainly not true that two Oreshniks are comparable to 1 nuclear bomb, as Putin has famously claimed. Chemical energy of a given mass is confined, many orders of magnitude below nuclear energy that can be released from the same mass. ”
All true. What is not debatable if those Hnuts warheads were nuclear we would not be wasting our time arguing about damage assessment. If not in development prior to the end of the INF Hnuts represents a unique and impressive war tech developed it a very short timeline. Its not the nuke thats not a nuke. But it showcases Russia strength. it reminds that there are new technologies Putin is not one to threaten. Hnuts does the talking here.
USA will never sport a Hnuts. Never. South Korea has a first gen Iskander USA doesnt. USA is counting on biological warfare. Its doing its own demos just like the Hnuts demo. Just like Hnuts its a demo not the real deal.
All nuclear and biological weapons are illegal. The two prior uses of nuclear weapons were collective punishment. Collective punishment is illegal in name only. We see demos of that too. Clear unmistakable communications. Real communications not words.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 22 2024 21:05 utc | 67

“Regardless, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference if the West finds such outcomes unacceptable when they lack the means to do anything about it. The reason they’re making such a nuisance of themselves on the periphery is precisely because that’s all they have left.”
I truly hope your right . Your not. You cant argue that technology is powerful and then say “thats all they got”. That goes for all mid size nations too.
Your arguing the west is sane. They will take their ball and go home. To your credit they have done that many times. Thats obviously in the interest of the people of the world. We find out soon enough.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 22 2024 21:22 utc | 69

I don’t know if it really hits its target with Mach 10, and if it can’t be intercepted with state of the art air defense devices.
Posted by: grunzt | Dec 22 2024 20:31 utc | 62
The immediate visuals appeared to confirm the speed was at least that. Existing Western interceptor missiles — Patriot, THAAD, SM-3 — travel nowhere close to that speed.
At this point it’s “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” because it’s unquestionably powerful and it’s beyond obvious it cannot be stopped.
Oh, and the “state of the art” resides in Russia & China, not in the West.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 22 2024 21:33 utc | 71

“Latest official data says Ukraine had 19000 deserters in November 2024. However, in an officially reported desertion case, a commander must appoint and approve an official investigation, so 19000 is the minimum number. Ukrainian journalist Vladimir Boyko reporting this predicts the dispersal of the Ukrainian army by Spring 2025.
French trained Ukrainian brigade has scattered and fled from the front.
CIA leader Burns visited Kiev to give last instructions to Zelensky.”
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 22 2024 17:08 utc | 27
Compelling and sobering numbers.
Just to mention that Dima on Miltary Summary says that the desertion numbers are sometimes inflated due to a form of corruption.
That is where Ukrainian soldiers have died but their commanders continue to pocket their salaries.
Then when someone checks on the soldiers they say “Oh – they just deserted”.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 22 2024 21:36 utc | 73

@grunzt -But it is certainly not true that two Oreshniks are comparable to 1 nuclear bomb, as Putin has famously claimed.
False, Putin did not claim “if two” but “if bundled”, he let open how much.
And the demonstration was w/o war head.

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 22 2024 21:45 utc | 75

Posted by: vargas | Dec 22 2024 21:23 utc | 71
“Ukraine is in abs shape and losing, Russia is winning but the Russian situation is unbearable. That is why Putin bahs for negotiations.”
The “unbearable for Russia / slapping the canvas etc…” meme is understandable copium but I don’t see evidence for it.
Offers of talks from Russia don’t mean lack of will to continue.
You couldn’t misunderstand the Russians more profoundly than that.
Remember they have demanded elections to confirm or replace Zelensky before any talks –
looks to me like an Ivan-Grozniy style jar of fleas impossible request.
Not a Russian leadership desperate for talks.
Remember that in WW2 Russia – starting with a smaller population – lost every day 20,000 killed, the number of British killed on day 1 of the Somme – every day for 4 years, June 1941 till May 1945. No pleas for talks with Hitler IIRC.
The big delusion is that the Ukraine SMO is a vainglorious imperialistic project by Russia.
ZionReich types convince themselves of this forgetting at some point that it was always a lie.
Russia are fighting for their survival against Barbarossa 2.0 by the whole west.
Thus 1000+ volunteers every day for Russia, no conscription.
While in Ukraine conscripts are kidnapped under orders from the NAZO.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 22 2024 21:48 utc | 77

@vargas
Why today?
Yesterday was told that the younger ppl 18 and above will be colleted for the front.

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 22 2024 21:55 utc | 79

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 22 2024 20:49 utc | 65
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I checked that publication out.
It promises what it delivers. Tits, crude sex jokes and risible trash stories, as filler between the tits & sex jokes.
So there’s a lot more integrity in the Sport. Than you’d find, in “credible” MSM newspapers etc.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 22 2024 22:11 utc | 81

Deep State reported finally. RFA got 2.4 kmsq, with a small gain at the Velyka Novasilka front and a small gain at the Vuhledar front.
I guess he only missed one day, so the comparable (versus NOV pace) would be 46 kmsq. So, poor RFA performance last couple days. Maybe they are in holiday mode. DEC is looking to be a down month, versus NOV.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 22 2024 22:28 utc | 83

Much hand wringing, grunting and groining in the U.S. that Biden’s Administration hid Biden’s senility from the rest of the nation. Ergo, how can anything signed/authorized by Biden ever be legal.
A corollary question is how a senile President can legally choose the likes of Blinken or Sullivan for such critical jobs.
Biden, illegitimate, senile, makes the Entire Whitehouse illegitimate.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 22 2024 22:47 utc | 85

That doesn’t mean that the West can’t catch up.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2024 22:49 utc | 88
Agreed, tech leadership can certainly waiver, the challenge there is that the West is too far behind at the moment to change the outcome in Ukraine (or Taiwan). [The circumstances regarding Iran are questionable but IMHO far more dangerous for the US & Israel simply because they don’t fully appreciate the risks involved.]

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 22 2024 23:12 utc | 87

And … it’s truly odd that the Kremlin haven’t released anything to bolster their own claims and embarrass Kiev. Weird, really weird.
Posted by: Englishman in NY | Dec 22 2024 22:56 utc | 89
Not really IMHO. Most of the damage occurred deep underground. What’s extremely telling is that Kiev hasn’t published anything to prove there wasn’t any damage, and you know they’d have done so immediately. It’s all the about the narrative for them, not Russia.
It’s like the Dems here in the States; you KNOW Trump isn’t on the Espstein or Diddy lists otherwise those lists would’ve never been kept secret.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 22 2024 23:18 utc | 89

“Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 22 2024 20:35 utc | 63
One would think it not so hard for a local RF sympathiser to fly a cheap retail drone over the Yuzhmash site, capture and publish the video before it got shot down or jammed. Even a telescopic camera from a higher vantage point would show some (above ground) facts. And … it’s truly odd that the Kremlin haven’t released anything to bolster their own claims and embarrass Kiev. Weird, really weird.”
Very good point. Ukraine people have a rather keen understanding that drone surveillance is serious business. That understanding will come from legislation in the USA. But your point stands. Thousands of people work at Yuzmash. Russians gonna get damage assessment. Why keep it secret?
Why not? Its as easy to release a lie as the truth. They may not have the whole picture. follow SOP.
I think the no damage is BS. If Hnuts missed Yuzhmash it hit somewhere. Somewhere would notice. To think Hnuts totally missed Yuzmash is rather dubious. The mach 10 has been calculated from the video. Is it fake too? Is the whole thing fake? It could be. I think not. Rods falling at mach 10 are going to leave a mark.
We dont know. We will never know. We only understand there was a demo.
I can think of other demos where the facts are debatable.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 22 2024 23:22 utc | 91

Fred @ 61. “Risk takers are risk takers. They always double down.”
A broad brush that is just not true. There are many kinds of risk takers, those that take measured risks, random risk takers glad to escape, and the ones that continue upping the ante to self destruction. I used to participate in a dangerous sport and saw all kinds. Sadly these days some are sacrificed to the god of “getting good video”

Posted by: Yarpos | Dec 22 2024 23:51 utc | 93

This sounds both illogical and foolish.
Posted by: Chen | Dec 23 2024 0:04 utc | 98
It’s called “diplomacy” and being the adult in the room.
And yes, these days when the inmates have taken over the Western asylum that sounds a little crazy.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 23 2024 0:29 utc | 95

In repressing the Yuzhmash facts, the Ukies must have had to set up a massive security system:
Posted by: Englishman in NY | Dec 23 2024 0:18 utc | 101
If all the most telling damage was below — not just destroyed but almost certainly impassable — simply keeping others out is a straightforward matter. We do know the entire complex went into immediate lockdown. Given that prior notification was given it was also likely evacuated such that even those that worked there have no specific knowledge of the damage and cannot go back in.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 23 2024 0:36 utc | 97

@Chen
569 / 5.000
You have absolutely not understood what Putin said and meant, you are only interpreting on the surface, but it is simple:
Putin shows two possible paths for the future and always leaves one open: war to the end or fair cooperation.
If the opponent realizes that his path is a dead end, he still has the opportunity to turn back without saying “everything is blocked, there is no turning back, so destroy everything”
The difference between ideological indoctrination and a sober attitude, free of ideologies and blocking narratives.

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 23 2024 0:40 utc | 99