Posted by: Keme | Dec 18 2024 17:13 utc | 5
Are the French and German governments trying to avoid these overt measures of regime change to appease their US masters? <= problem is government is a proxy for the intentions of a group of persons. The USA has been turned into a global police force; but policing the world is not part of the American fabric. Do the governments of France and Germany reflect the intentions held by people governed by those governments? When a legitimate winner defeats a heads I win, tails you lose election the losers claim the game is fixed? Posted by: bored | Dec 18 2024 17:23 utc | 6 How does the disinterest of Ukraine to negotiate make sense if Ukraine is on the losing side with hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded soldiers? And thousands more supposedly deserting? <=obviously the interest of those who run the Ukraine government has little to do with the needs, wants, expectations and qualify of life of Ukrainian inhabitants. So what is the intention of the Ukraine government? I don't think the attrition of Russia is working? It looks more like Russia in clearing Ukraine of its pesky long time inhabitants for a reason not yet fully understood and its forcing European members of NATO to rid their inventories of hodgepodge and non standard ancient equipment with purpose to standardize all NATO equipment among all NATO nations. Everyone to have the same equipment makes it easy for different countries to produce the same weapons in their own country (creates jobs, makes the country dependent on NATO, and makes it forced the producing country expend the money needed to supply its share to NATO), it allows all member nations to write the same manuals in different languages, and to train their militaries in the same way. It enables efficient single command over all units. Don't forget Syria held out until all of the take over mechanisms were in place.. It may be that Ukraine's Class 1 people are holding out until all of the take over mechanism are in place. <= something stinks.. when it comes to explaining the slow-go and what looks like Russia giving to those it defeated the spoils of the defeat. Is there already an agreement between the East and West Class 1 people? the URL posted by retroflecks @158 may have shed some light on the issue.. https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/05/25/the-secret-american-plan-to-make-russia-great-again/
its difficult to say.. when the secret is unknown? thank you retroflecks..
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 18 2024 17:34 utc | 9
It’s not for Zelensky to say Yes or No to negotiations. Remember, his presidential legitimacy has long since expired. <=yes, Zelensky's post-term recognition by both sides adds to the suspense..what is the undisclosed plan for Ukraine? Posted by: Pepe Escobar Writes | Dec 18 2024 17:39 utc | 12 The persistent inability to achieve decisive victories, despite the infusion of Western military aid, signals a turning point. <= it does? what is that turning point? What I see is more of the same, the two sides are playing with each other.. Neither is expected to, or allowed to, win or lose. Something more seems to be up.. defeat is not allowed, aggression is restricted and limited, the failure of Russia to go full hog.. the failures of NATO to engage.. after considering what happened in Syria, seem to add up to the possibility of a well hidden plan? Id @ 20 wonders if the wishy-washy might be bioweapons or pharmaceutical production related? Posted by: jopalolive | Dec 19 2024 0:28 utc | 96 The nature of digital data and information makes it inevitable. It is much more centralized and controllable than printed media <= its not just information! The digital platform has blocked the masses (class 4 people) from talking to anyone in government (class 3) from talking to anyone in corporations (Class 2). The digital platform has isolated the people from the economic system.

Posted by: snake | Dec 19 2024 15:47 utc | 204

@ a stone | Dec 19 2024 15:52 utc | 215
Shoving your own words into other people’s mouths is considered impolite.
But since you clearly didn’t direct this comment to me, lacking any citation or mention, you must not be a rude and provocative actor. Don’t mind me.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 19 2024 15:59 utc | 206

Opinion Analysis on RT
The attack on General Kirillov and his adjutant not only reveals the nature of the Kiev puppet regime and its Western puppet masters, but also shows their desperation.
Well, is that desperation?
It is a meticulously executed plan, a rational plan – weakening of the Russia’s strategic resources.
The west is slowly moving forward and weakening Russia. It is plan from RAND corporation.

Posted by: salmon | Dec 19 2024 16:11 utc | 208

Old Microbiologist @ 217
If anything were normal Ukraine would have surrendered a long time ago. The Monty Python Black Knight sketch has gone from three minute to three years. This will only end when Ukraine is entirely depopulated. Create a desert and call it peace. The masters in Washington will have it no other way.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 19 2024 16:15 utc | 210

That was a mistake, meant the more current one that I posted later. But serves to illustrate that its not just ’for a few days’. It’s a recurring problem.
“in Siberia of all places”
Yes, outside temperatures get quite cold there. So especially harmful there.
Other places mentioned are near Murmansk, so by no means limited to one city, or Siberia.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 19 2024 9:21 utc | 157
Perhaps that is why Russia, above the 50th parallel, remained uninhabited until the advent of central heating. 😉

Posted by: Samu | Dec 19 2024 16:17 utc | 212

True, NATO keeps hitting Russia and achieves nothing. Laughable.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 19 2024 15:44 utc | 213
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Not entirely true. NATO successfully wasted 10 more missiles.
How do you eat an elephant? 1 bite at a time…

Posted by: Mary | Dec 19 2024 16:35 utc | 214

Also, as pointed out to me by a fellow from Donbass who’s lived in Russia for a while: feminism (unavoidable given the exposure to the west, as well as all Russian media being very jewish) typically transforms into borderline personality disorder in Russian women.
Posted by: Jack M | Dec 19 2024 14:16 utc | 194
Is jewsih media somehow influencing Russian divorces?

Posted by: salmon | Dec 19 2024 16:46 utc | 216

What you completely forget in your discussion about the divorce rate in Russia, yes, also because ALL OF YOU don’t know any different!
The divorce law in Russia…for one thing, there is NO divorce where only one party is at fault!
Divorce in Russia is, like in ALL of the former Warsaw Pact states, very cheap. Mine in the former GDR cost me 12 East German marks…there was no obligation to have a lawyer (still the case in Russia today)
You are once again discussing a topic WITHOUT questioning…without knowing why…and the worst thing…your stupid alleged reasons for it! As is so often the case, no idea about the people and their mentality, but a lot of stupid chatter.
The divorce law in the West…is still partly from the deepest Middle Ages, find out more in your own country.
In Russia (if there are NO disputes) a divorce can be over in 15 minutes and for about 150 €…mine at the time was a particularly long negotiation…IT TAKEN 3 minutes, in other words three minutes!
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One more thing…the topic is so ridiculous and has absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine

Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 17:00 utc | 218

Posted by: a stone | Dec 19 2024 15:52 utc | 216
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Well said, those who criticize the lack of a big response seem to be habituated to death at a safe distance.
When I was younger, we referred to such people as “internet tough guys”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 17:25 utc | 220

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 17:29 utc | 232
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I’m not concerned with retaliation or anything like that if Russia shoots down jets that carry scalps…
It’s also about Russia never knowing what is actually hanging under these jets… AND if they were shot down, the pilots’ respect would be completely different… although it’s entirely possible that these pilots don’t speak or understand Russian or Ukrainian.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 17:33 utc | 222

only way defeat china: bio weapons that kill all asians
Posted by: Hodes | Dec 19 2024 17:33 utc | 234
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Now we saw an attempt at this with Covid, strangely enough, many more Asians died than Europeans.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 17:35 utc | 224

fun thing:
why are usa and china working together – to do gain of function?

Posted by: Hodes | Dec 19 2024 17:38 utc | 226

There is not one single day passing without a slap in the face of the Russians. The General’s corpse is still warm and the shows goes on with another long range missile attack (Atacms + Storm Shadow) on Russia ‘s internationally recognised territory. And every day we are forced to listen to the rosary of bold statements like “this crime won’t remain unanswered!”, followed by no or at best very mild retaliation. It ‘s high time some UK asset be hit.

Posted by: Christian | Dec 19 2024 17:46 utc | 228

@boneless
I ‘m not sure I understood your comment, what do you mean? Thks

Posted by: Christian | Dec 19 2024 18:00 utc | 230

Just one question:
The four Storm Shadow cruise missiles had to be launched from jets, didn’t they?
Across the Black Sea, however, does that mean that these jets, Migs or F16s are very, very close to the monitored airspace or range of the S400 or, as they are now in Crimea, the S500, whatever…These jets should have been within range when launched in ANY case!
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 16:49 utc | 228
Wait for today’s count to see if there are added planes.
Either way, the ATACMS are shorter ranged (300km) if it’s the top shelf stormshadow (550 kms vs 250 for export)
Zaporozhye is the main suspect for the ATACMS, as for planes they probably never got over the sea, depending on stormshadow type, 250 km NW of Zaporozhye would do (worst case 50 kms SE of Zaporozhye, probably enough to get painted but far enough to drop, turn and hide).

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2024 18:16 utc | 232

North Korean Foreign Ministry: Western hysteria about cooperation with Russia shows its effectiveness
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by Anti-Spiegel
December 18, 2024 11:03 p.m.
Pyongyang will not allow itself to be restricted by anything “in the consistent defense and exercise of its legitimate right as a sovereign state,” the ministry said.
TOKYO, December 19./ The hysteria of the US and Western countries about cooperation between North Korea and Russia shows that this interaction is effective in ensuring parity of power and deterring Washington and its allies. This is how the spokesman for the North Korean Foreign Ministry commented on the statement by the G7 and a number of Western countries on cooperation between Moscow and Pyongyang.
“The hysteria of hostile forces over Korea-Russia relations shows that enhanced cooperation between independent and sovereign states is very effective in ensuring the parity of forces necessary to contain the spread of the U.S. and Western malign forces and safeguard world peace and security,” the Korean Central Telegraph Agency quoted the text of the statement as saying.
The agency noted that North Korea will not allow itself to be restricted in any way in “consistently defending and exercising its legitimate right as a sovereign state” and will also “continuously make important efforts to safeguard peace and security in the region and the world.”

Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 18:25 utc | 234

fun thing:
why are usa and china working together – to do gain of function?
Posted by: Hodes | Dec 19 2024 17:38 utc | 237

IMU US interests leased the cheaper lab ( not the top safety level one.)
and apparently blindsided the Chinese on what they were really going about.
The CDC resident in Wuhan was recalled just before the Covid release became public.
ref: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 19 2024 18:42 utc | 236

The four Storm Shadow cruise missiles had to be launched from jets, didn’t they?
Across the Black Sea, however, does that mean that these jets, Migs or F16s are very, very close to the monitored airspace or range of the S400 or, as they are now in Crimea, the S500, whatever…These jets should have been within range when launched in ANY case!
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 16:49 utc | 228
At those ranges the attacking aircraft can hide from ground radar beneath the curvature of the earth. If Russia didn’t have an AWAC in the air or a satellite overhead they may not have been able to detect them on radar.
the Russians did a similar thing when they launched the oreshnik a couple of weeks ago. They waited until there were no NATO satellites overhead and no NATO AWAC’s aloft before launching and the USA has no telemetry data on this missile. Maybe that’s the reason they are trying to goad the Russians intop using it again?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 19 2024 18:55 utc | 238

@ The Kaker | Dec 19 2024 19:11 utc | 251
That’s where you are, ironically.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 19 2024 19:15 utc | 240

Posted by: The Kaker | Dec 19 2024 19:11 utc | 251
You need some new material, you play more repeats than the BBC…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2024 19:21 utc | 242

255 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonnades#/media/File:Dragonnades430.jpg
Well, in France under Louis XIV, dragoons were used to encourage Protestants to convert to Roman Catholicism. A recruitment aid of its time. In this Protestant cartoon, the dragoon says, “He who can resist me is strong indeed”.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 19 2024 19:36 utc | 244

40 bio labs were operating in Ukraine
The 2014 ebola outbreak origin was from the Metabiota Labratory in Kenema Sierra Leone.
They doctored the mutation history so it looked like it originated in Guinea not the sierra Leone lab 50 or so kilometers away.
The doctoring shows up like a flashing light to anyone with a background.
Ukraine and africa are the perfect place to set up bio labs to tweak pathogens.
Investigators into the metabiota lab in sierra leone left after just entering they were so scared when they saw the lack of containment procedures. Shake n bake op.
They want a ebola with a long gestation period so it can spread. It kills too fast to spread with the current version. Then they want to key it to a race specific DNA profile.
Covid was ideal to key to race specific profile because the receptors were in upper lungs or lower lungs depending on race. It turned out this was not as defined by race as they had thought. Upper lungs chest cold. Lower lungs hasta la vista. They inflated covid numbers in the USA to cover the fact that deaths from covid were of much lessor frequency not targeted. The sporadic results were a funtion of whether genetic factors keyed the virus or not and often the genetics were not readily observable by the individual physical characteristics. Collateral damage. also to roll out the countermeasure. Alpha testing. If covid hit your lower lungs very few survived. The treatment protocol fundamentally did not address the fact that there were two different types of cases the ones that the virus keyed genetically and those that it did not. early treatment with Ivermectin or OxyclorQ was extremly effective if the ACE-2 receptors were not in the lower lungs. If they were not so much. Medical personnel understood that if this thing hit lower lungs most likely patient was toast and administered morphine to terminal patient. Late steroid treatment but fundamentally what covid did to lungs was horrible if the ace -2 receptor was there. What they didnt understand was that was only the targeted individuals those who did not have ace-2 receptors in lower lungs would survive with little or no harm. Covid was a sort of binary weapon. The ace 2 receptors had to be there for it to really destroy lung tissue, It certainly did so in a extraordinary way if ace-2 receptors were present. Covid for some was exactly as advertised a deadly bioweapon. For others a bad cold.
There is no doubt whatsoever that the bio weapon labratories in Ukraine represented a clear and present danger to Russia. The Russian general just killed knew more about this than probably any other individual.
https://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/did-west-africas-ebola-outbreak-of-2014-have-a-lab-origin/

Posted by: Fred | Dec 19 2024 19:53 utc | 246

*** Medvedev demands after Kirillov’s murder: “The people who ordered it in Kiev must be eliminated” ***
even Medvedev is too coward to punish the real responsible guys – what a shame, Russia is dead..

Posted by: joe911 | Dec 19 2024 20:11 utc | 248

A lot of folks are just too darned impatient. Time is Russia’s most powerful weapon…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2024 20:33 utc | 250

Posted by: joe911 | Dec 19 2024 20:08 utc | 259
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Besides fighting terrorists in the Sahel and Syria?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 20:44 utc | 252

Besides fighting terrorists in the Sahel and Syria?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 20:44 utc | 264
While I am very, very uncertain about Joe911’s real motivations, you deliberately misunderstood the sentiment, plus the shtick about “fighting terrorists in Syria…” it kind of got old, didn’t it.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 19 2024 20:48 utc | 254

The Americans are unable to recognize that Russia on its own is able to sweep the floor with NATO.

You now have an ongoing aggression by Russia against Ukraine, and the primary drivers of that, what’s sustaining it, is actually North Korea with missiles and with troops, and China with its contributions to Russia’s defense industrial base.

Next, look at the money:

Well, you look at Ukraine. We’ve spent a lot of money on Ukraine and defending Ukraine, about $100 billion. Our allies and partners, they’ve spent about $150 billion doing it. You talk about burden sharing; this is the best example of burden sharing I’ve ever seen. (Secretary Blinken)

250 billion dollar is 6000 dollar for every Ukrainian man, woman and child.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 19 2024 20:50 utc | 256

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2024 20:33 utc | 262
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A capacity for patience is an easy heuristic to determine one’s hemispheric origin.
There is a frenetic energy around many Westerners because, I assume, they don’t believe in an afterlife. Those folks think they have only a few decades in these fragile meatsuit bodies before they cease to exist.
People from outside of the West, even from poor African countries, often understand patience. They think of their ancestors, legacies, and twin duties to the past and future.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 20:53 utc | 258

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 19 2024 20:38 utc | 263
you think that there is something like a person cult in russia… thats the way how europeans see it – you would outrage if it would hit a very high european diplomat even if that person never did something for you. And somehow you expect that the russians are the same even if they disgust people that work against them

Posted by: Macpott | Dec 19 2024 20:54 utc | 260

Posted by: Fred | Dec 19 2024 19:53 utc | 258
You are aware about the massive Soviet research into biological warfare, do you think it stopped? Both sides use the transparent caveat that they have to retain stocks of all the nasties so they can effect an antidote, if needed, both sides are talking bollocks.
COVID created the environment for a host of measures that directly benefited the super-wealthy in all nations, by a massive transfer of wealth, and allowed increasingly dictatorial globalist agencies more control over citizens, whilst fortuitously allowing a senile electoral puppet to be installed, and we all know how that ended!

Posted by: Milites | Dec 19 2024 21:03 utc | 262

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 20:53 utc | 269
Do you think Zelensky will survive a Trump Presidency?

Posted by: Milites | Dec 19 2024 21:07 utc | 264

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 19 2024 21:06 utc | 275
worship anything as you like, as it was always in the nordic cultures :p

Posted by: Macpott | Dec 19 2024 21:09 utc | 266

COVID created the environment for a host of measures that directly benefited the super-wealthy in all nations, by a massive transfer of wealth, and allowed increasingly dictatorial globalist agencies more control over citizens, whilst fortuitously allowing a senile electoral puppet to be installed, and we all know how that ended!
Posted by: Milites | Dec 19 2024 21:03 utc | 274
Do you think Zelensky will survive a Trump Presidency?
Posted by: Milites | Dec 19 2024 21:07 utc | 276
Senile electoral puppet? Yes, its official.tass
https://www.wsj.com/politics/biden-white-house-age-function-diminished-3906a839?
Survive? Just might…
Putin suggests Zelensky may flee abroad, says Russia would take him in
“But he will be taken care of by those people whose interests he is serving now,” the Russian leader said
https://tass.com/politics/1890443

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2024 21:49 utc | 268

The End
Posted by: 40_et_abar | Dec 19 2024 21:37 utc | 281
The end of YOU, Thank god.

Posted by: Wtf | Dec 19 2024 21:58 utc | 270

@Aleph_Null
same from German MSM side (nt-v TV)
Ukrainian General Staff reports successful attack on Russian oil plant
https://www.n-tv.de/img/25444797-1734635452000/16-9/1564/GfJcbFFXkAEkAke.jpg

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 19 2024 22:14 utc | 272

Talks talks talks. I chuckle at all the conjecture about them. Who will talk with whom, and who won’t. Who wants what. It’s all a web of shadow diplomacy to just feel out resolutes and flexibilities so as to plot near and distant international strategies.
The thing is, Putin and RF have a 10 year start on Trump, plus they are playing the loooong game — despite flagging “we are happy to talk”. While Putin and Co have their eye on getting the US to pull its fkn head in globally, Trump has more immediate and imperative domestic goals to keep face with his bluster. True, the underlying Rand doctrines seem to drive US foreign policy, but I think, hope, we will see Trump move away from such nefarious operations for his domestic agendas. Bottom line, I think he just wants Ukraine to go away.
My 2c worth.

Posted by: Englishman in NY | Dec 19 2024 22:31 utc | 274

@Chen – In case of war, the president cannot change, if Biden can declare war, he has won

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 19 2024 22:46 utc | 276

@Larsbo 89
Tragedy for Russians is that no ody kicked out incompetent Lavrov and Putin both talk too much but no action
the Syrian Arab Army was on a roll and ready to take back Idlib but were stopped by Putin to appease Anglos
Moreover in the February of 2916 Syrian army was on verge of big victory but then Russian ambassador to UNO Mr Churchin said harsh words about president Assad pressing him for ceasefire. That traitor churchin was man of foreign minister Lavrov the traitor. Then Lavrov started calling Assad names then Putin announced falsely that mission is accomplished and that russian job is finished so in this way Putin stopped win of Syria just to please anglosaxons in the same way he had stopped massacre of British mercenaries in the enclave of Debalso in Donbass in Feb 2015.
Putin today is getting return of his treachery to his allies .
In the same way that sergie Lavrov pressurised then Russian president Medvedev to backstab president Gaddafi and leave Libya to be sanctioned and destroyed by Anglo pirates. This way Lavrov dog singularly resuscitated the then moribund NATO

Posted by: Sam | Dec 19 2024 23:08 utc | 278

“You are aware about the massive Soviet research into biological warfare, do you think it stopped? Both sides use the transparent caveat that they have to retain stocks of all the nasties so they can effect an antidote, if needed, both sides are talking bollocks.”
No doubt. I have no information about Russian biological weapons programs but I would guess that they are active,
The reason is Russians are practical people. Biological weapon programs take a fraction of the resources of a nuclear program. technology makes it even more cost effective. They map a genome nowadays like taking a piss.
Actually its my guess that every mid size nation with a strong military component has a biological weapons program.
If we look at nuclear weapons delivery systems its clear to me that hypersonic missiles are superior to manned aircraft. They are really peas in a pod however. All those resources expended to deliver. Such grand drama.
A biological weapon delivers itself to every inch of the globe with no resource expenditure.
This of course makes it very desirable for nations desiring WMD who dont have the resources for a nuclear weapons let alone delivery capability. A functopn of technology progress is that cost is reduced and becomes available more widely. As ypu mention biological weapons programs are easily masked as legitimate medical research. This after all is the premise of gain of function. We must create the most and destructive pathogens possible in the laboratory so we have a countermeasure should they evolve naturally. The reality being that they have very little chance of a “zooonotic origin” but a very high probability of being deliberately cultivated.
The probability of the current covid mutation being a natural mutation is infitemally low. Eight spontaneous genome changes without gany history all in the latching receptor area. When you see a liter sport bike is it built for speed? In this case what we witness is the quintisential sterilizing virus. a virus created to eradicate more destructive viruses of the same makeup. Omicron is designed to be the most contagious and least harmful of the covid viruses.
Which labratory created Omicron? USA? Israel? Turkiye? Iran? Russia? China? Japan? Argentina?
In Omicrons creation we observe the ability to create destructive pathogens. Omicron is a sterilizing viral vaccine. it could just as well been a new destructive pathogen. Well of course the world is concerned? We see article after article questioning the wisdom of biological pathogen creation and demands that this practice stop?
They cant stop it. It is too easy to hide a covert biological weapons program. instead they fund it and compete and my guess is that they have very effective designs. You cant understand the mastery demonstrated in Omicron and not understand that there is skill and mastery in pathogen manipulation and creation in the world. This is just one technology. It is my opinion that the covert programs of tghe major nations have yielded results that can exterminate our species mant times over. We understand this to be true for nuclear weapons but they are a very old cumbersome technology.
While you referenced the Soviet biological program and its no doubt the Russaians have competed in this race to extermination i would put forth the idea that the only sane behavior in a world well equiped to exterminate our species is to try and get along.
I wa discussing this with a military friend once. He was a a example of the military. Super bright. super hard working. Super fit running miles at 60 years plus. Super honest.
His perspective was this. Some one has to call the shots. Some one has to rule. Might as wwell be us. USA is the best nation to rule because of our advanced level of democracy and civilization. I mean what your going to let Nicaragua call the shots?
I dont think thats a realistic method of avoiding our self extermination. To list just one thing you cant participate in a genocide and still claim you are fit to be the ruler. Thats kind of a big indicator to me.
From a practical standpoint as I am mentioning even mid range nations are going to get their hands on destructive technologies. And as some point even Nicuaragua. at some point even Nicaragua can throw the flag.
All great leader have understood this issue. JFK understood it. Putin understands it. The only hope for humanity lies in cooperation. Otherwise someone throws the flag. The flag being our extermination. Who knows who will throw it? Yemen? Now? In 20 years?
Russia is not a angel. Putin is putting forth proposals that represent cooperation. He may not even like cooperation. Putin understands its our only chance. The continuance of behavior that represented by the hegemony will result in the extermination of our species. It simply is not a viable plan for a future in which our species is not extinct. So yes im sure Russia has a biological weapons program. Putin understands his responsibility to try and create systems of cooperation that will avoid our extermination.
Here I may be projecting. I think Putin is getting tired. I think Putin is resigning himself to failure. Not in killing everyone in the world. Russia can do that. hell even Paraguay can probably do that now. He tried. He fulfilled his responsibility as a leader. The hedgemon cant let it go. They are going to push it to conclusion. Pandoras box gets opened.
The idea that you can have a genocide in a world at this stage of technological development and some mid or even small nation wont throw a flag is unrealistic to the point of showing the detachment from reality we regard as insanity. All other moral spiritual and ethic principles aside this path can have only one conclusion in the short to intermediate term.
Just ask JFK. Listen to his speeches. That was then. We are at the rubicon now.
Was JFK hitler? Was JFK a racist? If you listen to Putins speeches the principles are very similar. But no one actually listens to Putins speeches. all the MSM says Putin is Hitler. The bad guy . The boogyman. Even hearing one word might corrupt you. Hypnotize you . Like hitler. Best not to listen to even one word!
A biological weapon can be released anywhere on the planet and will be delivered everywhere on the planet. All this hoopla about chemical weapons. all this pointing fingers about chemical weapons. What about biological weapons?
Silence.
That silence is very loud.
Sometimes I wonder if the hoopla about nuclear weapons is just for show. To create the illusion of stability. Yes they are old reliable in our ever increasing progress in our self extermination.
Whats in pandoras box? One way to find out. It means we indulge the worst aspects of humanity and reject the gift given us. It means we spit in gods face.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 19 2024 23:10 utc | 280

DS map update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4324126/32.0581055
Another subpar day, with 8.6 kmsq taken. (Compare to 23/day in NOV.) Small areas S of the Sukhi Yali River (Uspenivka pocket), including the capture of Kostiantinopolske. Also small areas in the greater Pokrovsk area. There as also an advance in the NW part of the Kursk incursion.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2024 23:18 utc | 282

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2024 21:07 utc | 277
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We are alike in that I too am from the West but not of the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 23:42 utc | 284

Do you think Zelensky will survive a Trump Presidency?
Posted by: Milites | Dec 19 2024 21:07 utc | 276
IMHO he won’t survive the next four years period. Best case is war stretches into early next year, he finally flees or is bounced, exiles to one of his patron countries, and sometime thereafter he gets a rather unpleasant visit from “old friends”.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 20 2024 0:05 utc | 286

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 20 2024 0:15 utc | 308
What happened? Did Zelensky’s script writer get mobilzed, and Zelensky hired a replacement in Kindergarten?
Lack of trained personnel just reached an entirely new level.

Posted by: Martina | Dec 20 2024 1:21 utc | 288

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 20 2024 1:31 utc | 311 “NATO Chief Calls For Cold War Level Military Spending”
Well, I guess he reads this site where posters keeps saying NATO has nothing left after sending it all to Urkaine.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 20 2024 2:16 utc | 290

Hey Guys! Ive got an op today to remove a BCC on my cheek. So, I might not be available for a few days.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 20 2024 2:22 utc | 292

furies should be furries. There is nothing furious about the modern Western 20-year-old.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 20 2024 2:24 utc | 294

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 20 2024 2:23 utc | 315 “Spending can’t fix the issue of de-industrialization”
Actually, spending can fix the issue of de-industrialization.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 20 2024 2:28 utc | 296

Hey Guys! Ive got an op today to remove a BCC on my cheek. So, I might not be available for a few days.
@HERMIUS | 314
Bcc? just googled it. skin cancer? well i hope it goes well!

Posted by: Fyador | Dec 20 2024 2:43 utc | 298

Putin just challenged the West to a duel.
Gather all anti ballistic missiles in Kiev and try to stop the Oreshnik in an “experiment”.
When asked why Kiev, Putin said it could be Poland or Romania, all 24 anti ballistic missile systems against his Oreshnik.

Posted by: Suresh | Dec 20 2024 3:32 utc | 300