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December 18, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-303
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karlof1,
Thanks again, your contributions are always appreciated and highly valued.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 18 2024 23:53 utc | 85
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I second the motion and also extend my sincere and deep appreciation for your immense efforts.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 19 2024 1:15 utc | 101
Do you have a link? The only bloodbath I could find from trump was on us industry “because borders”
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 18 2024 17:27 utc | 8
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Link to a video that was published on RT
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https://rtde.live/kurzclips/video/229840-trump-schlimmstes-blutbad-seit-zweiten/
Posted by: ossi | Dec 18 2024 17:37 utc | 11
Got it! Thanks
It’s a small blip near 42 minutes but it’s “worst carnage since WWII”, and near 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ULZfGQA9x4
Apart from the usual credo at the end this is not too bad
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-war-in-ukraine-russia/
And our little friends from NYeT are already calling it a lie (surprise)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/16/us/politics/trump-news-conference-fact-check.html
And let me tell you one thing, if we exclude civilian lives (so forget the african civil wars) and concentrate on military KIA… I would bet that he’s right, even korea was probably less than the SMO, Afghanistan a walk in the park (and too far to matter) .
Later we’ll see if I’m the crazy one, but my current bet for KIA (including died from wounds or “accidental” deaths in the field)? 250.000 for RF, 1.500.000 for AFU
P.S. I think the press conference is probably worth hearing @52 the we and china could solve all the world’s problems, just skiped until I found the ukraine part and heard 10 min and really liked
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2024 1:29 utc | 102
Either we have new NAFO trolls or old trolls using new names. I’m thinking the former because the old ones wouldn’t be recycling such bad old material.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 19 2024 1:31 utc | 103
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SIS_Building,_Vauxhall_Cross_-_geograph.org.uk_-_4541871.jpg
Dors this^ building houses criminals
Posted by: SailorsWife | Dec 19 2024 1:42 utc | 104
…despite all the incentives to form families…
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 19 2024 0:31 utc | 97
I think that the divorse stats are some unintended consequences of these policies. If a State creates a system of benefits to form families, there always be people constantly changing their status on and off to milk the system. It is just human.
Posted by: Rutte | Dec 19 2024 1:51 utc | 105
General Keith Kellogg, on behalf of Trump, denounces Kirillov’s assassination:
In an interview with Fox News on Wednesday, Kellogg was asked whether the murder of Kirillov would hinder peace talks between Moscow and Kiev, which Trump hopes to broker once inaugurated next month.
“I don’t think it’s really a setback,” he responded, “but I would say this: there are rules of warfare and there are certain things that you just kind of don’t do. When you’re killing flag officers, general officers – admirals or generals – in their hometown, it’s kind of like you’re extending it and I don’t think it’s really smart to do it. It’s not kind of the rules of war,” he continued, reiterating that the bombing was “not a good idea at all, in my opinion.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/609564-russian-general-trump-envoy/
RT features this comment, because Russia is noticing. Trump himself denounced ATACMS strikes on Russian territory in his person-of-the-year interview for Time, so this is the second time we’ve heard significant de-escalation from Trump’s camp.
Maybe this is good-cop/bad-cop bullshit from USA, but Russia wants serious signals that policy will not continue the same after January 20. If Kellogg’s statement is such a signal, then it might very well influence Russia’s retaliatory decisions, going forward.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 19 2024 2:00 utc | 106
Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear!
The current crop of desperate NAFO trolls are of such low standard, Im getting bored! 🙈
Please! Just Fuck Off NAFO and come back when you’re big enough!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 19 2024 2:02 utc | 107
Please! Just F**k Off NAFO and come back when you’re big enough!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 19 2024 2:02 utc | 115
They so predictable.
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Dec 19 2024 2:06 utc | 108
RT features this comment, because Russia is noticing. Trump himself denounced ATACMS strikes on Russian territory in his person-of-the-year interview for Time, so this is the second time we’ve heard significant de-escalation from Trump’s camp.
Maybe this is good-cop/bad-cop bullshit from USA, but Russia wants serious signals that policy will not continue the same after January 20. If Kellogg’s statement is such a signal, then it might very well influence Russia’s retaliatory decisions, going forward.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 19 2024 2:00 utc | 114
Take a look at the full interview clip, I would say that trump is genuinely horrified by what he has been updated on about the real death toll in ukraine, I see and hear it every time he goes back to ukraine, I would defy anyone to hear his voice and his face.
If he isn’t then please give him an oscar.
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2024 2:13 utc | 109
@Posted by: Rutte | Dec 19 2024 1:51 utc | 113
When the communists came in in 1917, they provided women with equal rights and made atheism the official belief system. Then after the fall of the Soviet Union, Western liberalism invaded Russia during the 1990s. So attitudes to marriage and divorce are certainly not that “traditional”. The income distribution is also very skewed toward the rich, so there are many under the kind of financial stresses that can drive divorces. Also a lot more sick men than women, with male death rates significantly higher than women. Alcohol is much less of a problem these days.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 19 2024 2:33 utc | 110
Newbie | Dec 19 2024 2:13 utc | 117–
Just finished watching Ray McGovern’s chat with Nima and suggest taking the 70 minutes to watch.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 19 2024 2:33 utc | 118
Seeing other countries that had no October Revolutions, I’d say that liberalism did more to destroy traditional families than communism.
But this is theoretical.
Practically it works like this: if a State gives a healthy bonus to newlyweds, why a several-year-old family can’t get a paper divorce, then register their family as a new one and get the said healthy bonus.
Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Rutte | Dec 19 2024 3:13 utc | 112
Where is this 80% Russian divorce rate bullshit coming from?
Russia is not even in the top 10.
The Maldives, with a divorce rate of 5.52 per 1000 people, leads the world in divorces, partly due to cultural factors and women’s empowerment.
WTF?
Posted by: nwwoods | Dec 19 2024 3:23 utc | 113
Russia:
Rate: 3.9 per 1000
How does this equate to “80%”?
Posted by: nwwoods | Dec 19 2024 3:26 utc | 114
The choreography executed by France Germany and the USA as they set up Russia like a rube in a pool hall culminating with a 10x increase of shelling on Donetsk Febuary 10 2022. Only turns out the rube wasnt such a rube and now things dont look so hot out in the alley. They shit on Russia in every possible way
Ray is surprisingly optimistic about Trump. Somehow I cant wrap my head around avoiding a nuclear war but condoning a genocide being a win. Nor do I understand why Russia would discuss anything with these nations let alone enter into agreements with them. Thats why Putin is the best leader in modern times and Im a nobody from nowhere.
Must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEogxhefhc
Posted by: Fred | Dec 19 2024 3:32 utc | 115
It could be complete nonsense; I saw the notion of 3 million dead “Ukrainians” at a glance somewhere last week but didn’t pay attention to any details of where it came from and so on. Maybe it’s the unofficial number the Pentagon gave Trump?
Yes it sounds a bit high, I’d guess closer to 2 than 3.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 19 2024 3:54 utc | 116
“Posted by: MG | Dec 19 2024 0:35 utc | 99
Most people don’t know that Russia has the most ethnic minority groups in a state.
China has 55 ethnic minority groups that includes Russians and Koreans.
Posted by: Surferket | Dec 19 2024 0:42 utc ”
Compare and contrast.
Standard of living in Chechnya vs Chicago.
The fate of native peoples in Kazakhstan vs USA.
No comparison. Not even close. Not in the ball park. Not in the parking lot of the ballpark.
Im not saying Russia is the poster child for human rights. That would be a lie. Stalin was a monster. Now..
The proof is in the pudding.
Russia is different no doubt. That Russia and Putin are hateful is straight up lies. Straight up propaganda. You want a example of hate the hate towards Slavic people is a classic example.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 19 2024 3:59 utc | 117
@Jason – you are a NATO-Troll trying to spread confusing
== TO ANYONE == DON’T ANSWER THAT BULLSHIT
Posted by: wp007 | Dec 19 2024 4:02 utc | 118
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 19 2024 1:31 utc | 111
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There are a few new posters who are very active.
And yes, many of their comments are pretty bad.
It’s ok to be learning but it’s always wise to read for a couple of weeks before jumping in head-first with hot takes and indignation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 4:10 utc | 119
@Philly
I try to analyze soberly, without ideology, without religion, etc., to understand reality and then fill my ideal with it. In a way, it’s pragmatism. But too many people have limited their thinking by mentally clinging to ideologies or religion. A large part of our problems stem from this. So look for solutions that seem possible, recognize realizable needs to achieve a goal, don’t chase dreams.
Posted by: wp007 | Dec 19 2024 4:10 utc | 120
An 80 % divorce rate is unhealthy. No doubt about it, which ever way you look at it.
But is sounds so unlikely that I think it can’t be right, it sounds totally coocoo.
Maybe somebody has made a mistake, a statement like “8 out of 10 marriages end in divorce”
there is no time frame mentioned, and no statistics shown.
Maybe there are some rules that would favour people to get a divorce?
Maybe tax incentives or social payments or access to schooling or aftercare? IOW people might get a divorce on paper, but still share a family?
I don’t know, but it sounds totally unbelievable to me.
So, until it is explained, I park it in the garage where I store other useless junk.:-)
Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 19 2024 4:13 utc | 121
@Sunny Runny Burger
it IS nonsens. It may be at 1.000.000.
I counted the daily front reports and for the last 30 days Ukraine has had over 1200/day while Z says total loss in 2 years is around 34k (LOL)
Statistica says Russia too had days with 1200/day but only short periods. Lately it dropped to ~100 – 200/day.
The ratio of Russia’s total losses to Ukrainians’ losses could be 1:3 – 1:5, that could be true while Ukrainian numbers are rising and Russian ones are falling because Ukraine is now taking anyone off the streets without training.
Posted by: wp007 | Dec 19 2024 4:22 utc | 122
@Rutte
it’s nota question of communism or liberalism, it depends most of religion and family, and for the last generation it’s the internet.
You see more other people, compare looks, money, overall appearance, maybe even sex, and dissatisfaction quickly arises, the desire to try something different, etc. Often people get married too early, and when they first fall in love they get married straight away. It rarely ends well.
As divorce is easy in Russia (but difficult for those with strong religious ties), there are more divorces. Now the law in Russia is to be changed: Before a divorce, especially if there are children, you should first get psychological counseling.
Posted by: wp007 | Dec 19 2024 4:41 utc | 123
This also corresponds to the fact that late marriages (men aged 30 and over) last better than early marriages (German statistics, may be different in Russia, see Religion)
Posted by: wp007 | Dec 19 2024 4:47 utc | 124
This lack of funding from the West is really starting to bite.
I wonder if if the “Jasons” & “Phillys” are minimum wage, diversity hires or MSM “journalists”?
TonyOpmoc, what the wife and 15 yr old teen doing and whee else have you been?
Posted by: Suresh | Dec 19 2024 4:49 utc | 125
nwwoods | Dec 19 2024 3:26 utc | 122–
The stat was lifted from this RT article:
“Russia’s divorce rate has reached unprecedented levels, with eight out of ten marriages ending in separation in 2024, according to Elena Mikhailova, an adviser to the director general of the Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM). The ratio places Russia third globally for divorce rates, Mikhailova told a press conference on Wednesday.”
The article doesn’t dispute the remark and instead notes the decline in marriages, which is what my comment alluded to. It appears Rosstat’s numbers contradict those cited, however, the numbers are volatile. The bar graph on this page shows a steady trend of divorces being 50-80% compared with marriages occurring per year. US stats aren’t that much better, and not all states report such stats.
It’s hard to believe that statistic as stated, it would mean so far in 2024 80% of marriages made since 1 January, 2024 have already ended in separation, with the year not yet done! Perhaps she meant the rate of separations, which could apply to marriages 50 days old or marriages 50 years old, is 80% of the number of new marriages in the calendar year. That would be a number that makes sense intuitively.
This is not what is typically referred to as the ‘divorce rate’ when it is discussed in for example in an American context. The typical meaning is the fraction of marriages that eventually end up in divorce, not the rates in any given year; it is a cumulative rate expressing trends over many decades. Alternatively you could talk about the number of people who have been divorced at least once compared to the number of people who have been married at least once; this will necessarily be lower than the ‘divorce rate’ because some people will be married and divorced many times.
It is impossible, given the information we have, for 80% of all marriages in Russia to end in divorce, much less that 80% of all married people will eventually be divorced.
Posted by: a stone | Dec 19 2024 5:29 utc | 127
It could be complete nonsense; I saw the notion of 3 million dead “Ukrainians” at a glance somewhere last week but didn’t pay attention to any details of where it came from and so on. Maybe it’s the unofficial number the Pentagon gave Trump?
Yes it sounds a bit high, I’d guess closer to 2 than 3.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 19 2024 3:54 utc | 124
I only mentioned 1.5 million killed AFU (and as many maimed beyond repair, so maybe 3 million permanent casualties)
If you find that reference please share (maybe you can find it in your browser history)
BTW it’s a strange model, basically marines vs grunts, and if doesn’t add up to the RF MOD numbers (but recently noticed they don’t count killed in vehicles, what else did they undercount before?)
As I mentioned I think RF did NOT want the full size of the AFU slaughter to be known. It sure looks like RF wanted to de-militarize ukraine a lot before anyone complained (and the west was happy to oblige), it also seems like RF has had enough and would expect the AFU to quit while it still has enough people with a hand to sign the surrender papers.
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2024 5:33 utc | 128
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 19 2024 3:54 utc | 124
There is a 3 million difference between the numbers mobilized and the numbers of people accounted for from in service, AWOL, discharged, and dead.
Hopefully many bribed their way out of the country and we’re never sent to basic. That hope is probably bullshit. What do you think happens if you refuse to fallback when outgunned 10-1 in artillery with then enemy having total air superiority? Not hard to figure out.
Posted by: Badjoke | Dec 19 2024 6:32 utc | 129
Thanks Badjoke that could be it, and I agree with you that one would have to assume most of the people in such a discrepancy are dead.
Do you happen to remember who stated it or where you saw it?
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 19 2024 6:52 utc | 130
RT should divorce whoever wrote the article, their boss, and any fact checkers they might employ.
I’m not going to search the official records, but will bet tonight’s tab for everyone that someone computed the ratio of absolute numbers (of marriage and divorce) for the year to yield 0.8
Posted by: persiflo | Dec 19 2024 7:02 utc | 131
Hey, question, does anybody have a guess as to whether Rheinmetal was operating at Yuzhmash?
Posted by: jimbo2 | Dec 19 2024 7:25 utc | 132
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 19 2024 2:00 utc | 114
No offense, but only architects of war think killing generals is a war crime.
Keith Kellogg is scum to boot. Is that his name, Keith? You know what Peter Griffin thought of the name Keith, right?
Posted by: jimbo2 | Dec 19 2024 7:35 utc | 133
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 19 2024 6:52 utc | 140
I have seen the discrepancy pointed out from several sources with the numbers being close enough as to be quibbling over an estimate.
Western rags always write it off as corruption and say the soldiers must never have existed in the first place. I admire their optimism, but not their analytical abilities.
Posted by: Badjoke | Dec 19 2024 7:52 utc | 134
Hey, question, does anybody have a guess as to whether Rheinmetal was operating at Yuzhmash?
Posted by: jimbo2 | Dec 19 2024 7:25 utc | 142
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Now whether it’s pure metal or something else…
The Russians must have classified it as a danger, and given what was previously manufactured in this complex, what machines are still there. In nuclear-safe underground workshops…
Given Sylenski’s threat of the possibility of building nuclear weapons themselves…(for which plutonium would be sufficient) which they have in abundance.
YES, assume that something was built underground that posed a danger.
Bad for Ukraine, these facilities were developed by Russia right down to the last ventilation pipe…so where are the floor plans, circuit diagrams etc.?
Who could best estimate what the complex can be used for.
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 7:54 utc | 135
There is a shift in tone in the EU media. We are now preparing for war. It is kind of a done deal is the mood.
Posted by: alek_a | Dec 18 2024 19:07 utc | 35
For that they need to manufacture a big false flag that too in US to convince the American public. Don’t think they can go in alone without US firepower
Posted by: snake | Dec 18 2024 16:54 utc | 3
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Bringing this discussion of 4 options over from a previous thread. Scroll down for English translation.
No Negotiations with Trump Needed
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20241217/tramp-1989530861.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Posted by: Sticker | Dec 18 2024 17:12 utc | 4
Please post a link to the original article, in whatever language.
Links pre-loaded with google translate (ie; linking into the heart of the beast of lies and deception google) are not fit to click.
Thanks.
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 19 2024 7:57 utc | 137
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 19 2024 1:08 utc | 107
“Russia’s currently the best place to raise a 3+ child family given its policies and opportunities.”
Sure, if you want to raise, and make them sleep, in sub-zero temperatures
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-novosibirsk-cold-snap-pipes-burst-state-emergency/32783528.html
Or around 12 c, like in Zaosersk or Petchanga. Check B-Port.com and Nord-News.ru
Overall, its been very instructive to see the amount of disbelief and cope when there is a negative statistic about so many posters ideal nation. And on its official propaganda site, no less.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 19 2024 8:12 utc | 138
There is a video in intelslava TG of an Ukrainian soldier getting eaten by a pack of dogs.
Even the local fauna treat them like their government does.
Posted by: 667 | Dec 19 2024 8:13 utc | 139
Sorry, wrong link in the previous post, meant this:
https://afisha-press.com/en/news/v-novosibirske-bez-otopleniya-ostalis-bo-1
It seems they really can’t get the heating working.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 19 2024 8:18 utc | 140
If he isn’t then please give him an oscar.
@ Newbie | Dec 19 2024 2:13 utc | 117
There’s no question Trump is a talented performer. I’m not giving out any Oscars for apparent sincerity. Many of his cabinet picks are morons on the subject of Russia, and that’s a sympathetic interpretation…
Trump, Kellogg, Rubio — I don’t like such people the slightest bit, in the sense of wanting to spend an afternoon sharing a beer. No freaking way! Until recently, I’ve been making up cute names for the assholes on parade through Mar-a-Lago. Because Trump’s campaign static about ending warfare wasn’t cutting it with me. I had no hope for the lot of them.
But Scott Ritter has lobbied Republicans to get word to Trump: Please say something about escalating provocations before WWIII breaks out! It looks like Trump got the memo. Veteran barflies will know this is not the first time I’ve been wrong, confused, or conflicted.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 19 2024 8:19 utc | 141
re: North Koreans fighting in RF.
I ran across this map-image recently:
“Map of Peoples of Russia”
https://cs9.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2018/06/05/6/1528187294135491653.jpg
Small pictures illustrate examples of some of the larger ethnic groups of RF (out of a total of ~190).
Of those East of the Urals & Chelyabinsk: how many of these do you think your typical NATOstani could pick out of a line-up of “North Koreans” ?
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 19 2024 8:21 utc | 142
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Azerbaijan hopes tensions between Russia and NATO will not escalate into a direct war, which would be catastrophic for the world, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev told Russian media on Wednesday.
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”NATO infrastructure is being created on our border on the Armenian side under the guise of so-called European observers,” he told Kiselyov.
(final note – And yet still he calls for appeasement and non-escalation against Nato and the US. The man is seriously misguided I think.)
Posted by: Philly | Dec 18 2024 21:19 utc | 47
I agree with the statements from Azerbaijan… but…
I wonder if the Azeri’s will realize that their war with Armenia and the resulting ethnic-cleansing of Ngorno-Karabakh paved the way for Armenia to rush to the arms of NATO? With a special thanks to all members of the CSO in standing up to protect Armenians. /s
It seems to me that we may someday see Azerbaijan come to the realization that shooting Armenians straight through an Azerbaijani foot was perhaps not their finest hour… or not.
Sad days.
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 19 2024 8:59 utc | 143
Early days of the sloSMO I saw Ukrainian corpses being eaten by pigs.
One was chomping nonchalantly on what was unmistakably a shin bone.
The scene was IMVHO way too grim and mundane and macabre to have been staged. The Ukies usually prefer more theatrical propaganda.
I still wonder, what have the families been told?
Are those guys still “missing”? Is someone still collecting their salary?
And how many were fed into the furnaces at Azovstal?
I suspect, once the Ukrainian war is finally fought to a standstill (whatever that looks like), there’ll be no one to really account for the dead and missing.
The West won’t want to know.
The Ukrainians themselves won’t want to acknowledge the decimation of their nation.
And Russia will want to incorporate their returned regions and focus on rebuilding.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 19 2024 9:01 utc | 144
What information is there with regard to use, or no use, of Russian special operations units? All input is appreciated.
Posted by: Pavelowfan | Dec 18 2024 22:02 utc | 56
You misspelled Pavelowfan “CIA-Operative”. LOL
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 19 2024 9:06 utc | 145
Sure, if you want to raise, and make them sleep, in sub-zero temperatures
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-novosibirsk-cold-snap-pipes-burst-state-emergency/32783528.html
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 19 2024 8:12 utc | 148
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News from January 2024, cherry picking much?
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It seems they really can’t get the heating working.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 19 2024 8:18 utc | 150
Jesus, 115 homes left without heat and in Siberia of all places for a few days, Russia will collapse any day now.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 19 2024 9:15 utc | 146
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 19 2024 9:15 utc | 156
“News from January 2024, cherry picking much?”
That was a mistake, meant the more current one that I posted later. But serves to illustrate that its not just ’for a few days’. It’s a recurring problem.
“in Siberia of all places”
Yes, outside temperatures get quite cold there. So especially harmful there.
Other places mentioned are near Murmansk, so by no means limited to one city, or Siberia.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 19 2024 9:21 utc | 147
Military conflict with NATO in Europe within the next ten years.
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https://de-rt-com.translate.goog/russland/229737-highlights-arbeitstagung-verteidigungsministeriums-plan-fuer-2025/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Posted by: wp007 | Dec 18 2024 22:14 utc | 61
I am reminded of this article from 2022:
The Secret American Plan to Make Russia Great Again
MIC-profits require a foil, and no better foil for this purpose exists than Russia.
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 19 2024 9:22 utc | 148
This is crazy. Ukraine is the one not interested in any negotiations with Russia (Zelensky even said so). How does that make sense if they are supposedly on the losing side with hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded soldiers? And thousands more supposedly deserting?
It actually looks like NATO is using Ukraine to attrit Russia and it’s working.
Posted by: bored | Dec 18 2024 17:23 utc | 6
“Ukraine”, the actor in that sentence, is not the Ukrainians but a little collection of jews who want to genocide the Ukrainians to make space either for owning all that land or for inhabiting it with israelis. They’re not “losing” hundreds of thousands, they’re genociding them.
It will all work if Russia gives all that land to them in some sham negotiation.
Posted by: Jack M | Dec 19 2024 9:33 utc | 149
Ukraine is conducting an attack on Energodar NPP.
In the same time they attacked Rostov on Don with long range missiles.
The situation is getting more and more dangerous.
Posted by: salmon | Dec 19 2024 9:45 utc | 150
Regarding divorce, marriage and children, there’s no financial advantage in getting married. Maternity Capital is only available for the first two children. Both marriage and divorce happen at the ZAGS office. At present divorce is easy, laws are being introduced to have counselling prior to a divorce being granted.
One of the main reasons for divorce is that many people get married at a very young age and then find out that they are not a compatible couple. This happened to my eldest daughter and a great many of her friends. Interestingly when they find a compatible partner they refuse to marry.
Posted by: Peter Williams | Dec 19 2024 10:26 utc | 151
The Supreme Commander (Putin) proposed a duel with NATO:
Let NATO designate a target, for example, in Kiev. They will concentrate all air defense there. And we will go there – Oreshnik.
Let’s see what happens.
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 10:39 utc | 152
Exquisite trolling by VVP, just now !!! suggesting that those saying that Oreshnik was a dud and no threat to US air defence, should have a technological duel which would doubtless prove the Oreshnik superior to anything else existing.
A beautiful challenge … and they might also like to release their evidence of “no damage””at Yuzhmash.
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 19 2024 10:47 utc | 153
Exquisite trolling by VVP, just now !!!
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 19 2024 10:47 utc | 163
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Exiusit, you’re the only one trolling here!
I only follow Putin’s annual press conference and his statements there.
By the way…if the hazelnut had NOT caused as much damage as you claim…
The Western press would be bombarding us with PICTURES 24/7 in the media…
Just to steal Russia.
Think about it, YOU troll!
But that requires an IQ above that of a bucket of water…I mean, to think lol
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 10:52 utc | 154
The news is not that the Ukrainians killed Kirillov, a Russian general, in Moscow.
The news is that in Russian occupied Ukraine, there is no popular uprising against the Russians, to the contrary.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 19 2024 10:57 utc | 155
@ossi | Dec 19 2024 10:39 utc | 162
What an incredible move! video here
Putin proposed to the West to conduct a “technological duel”: select a site in Kiev, concentrate all air defense and missile defense forces there, and Russia will strike it with the Oreshnik.
“We are ready for such an experiment,” the president said.
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/13030
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 19 2024 11:20 utc | 156
“ I would say that trump is genuinely horrified by what he has been updated on about the real death toll in ukraine”
And yet the death toll in Gaza doesn’t bother him in the least.
Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 19 2024 11:24 utc | 157
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 10:52 utc | 164
Go fuck yourself Ossi. You completely misread my post, you humourless Ostgerman arse. You write like you are pissed. I’m on your side, idiot.
I used the term trolling as in “teasing” “challenging” “joking”. I’ve been watching the conference too, by the minute, and simply reiterated the RT news item after I read it.
Obviously Yuzhmash was flattened but the truth is being repressed. Put the bottle down and go to bed.
Your apology is accepted in the morning
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 19 2024 11:30 utc | 158
it’s obvious that the discussion about Russian divorce rates is meant to derail this Ukraine post.
(it’s always the same guys who start it.)
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 11:37 utc | 159
Is it only me who thinks it insane that in the USA a whole 3 months passes between election of a new president and the transfer of power. This is yet another travesty of the infantile fairy tale of democracy.
3 months is an incredibly long time, a full 6-7% of the entire presidential term. A kind of tacit agreement no doubt existed for voted-out presidents to abstain from significant acts during this time. But needless to say Black Mass criminal Biden could be relied on to toss such accords in the trash as the U.S. now does compulsively with any and every promise and agreement with anyone anywhere. Honesty and decency are clearly unpatriotic Putin-puppetry.
Thus Biden is leaving an ever growing pile of turds on the doorstep of the BlackHouse for Trump to clean up – or not – when finally after a seeming eternity the voters will is implemented. Biden turds so far:
– escalation in Ukraine war funding
– illegal land mines for Ukraine to allow Anglos to masturbate over untermensch civilian deaths for decades
– atakms rocket attacks on Russian army leadership (failed so far)
– assassinations of Russian military staff in Moscow with obvious connivance of CIA and MI6
– Syria goes to hell, 911 pilots now allies of Biden mafia, if you kill enough people even in New York the neocons will instinctively love you
– land grab by zionazis of Golan heights exposes still further hypocrisy of the rhetoric against Russias SMO. Land grabs only bad if they’re by untermenschen.
– possibly trying to cook up a bird flu pandemic just in time for Trump
I could go on but the burlesque of US political life defies language to encompass. In the U.K. a general election finishes around midnight and the next morning the old is out, the new is in and a new government begins. Britain not exactly a model of speed and efficiency, changes power 400 times faster than the USSA. Biden’s turd pile can already be smelt all across the world.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 19 2024 11:42 utc | 160
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 10:39 utc | 162
The Supreme Commander (Putin) proposed a duel with NATO:
Let NATO designate a target, for example, in Kiev. They will concentrate all air defense there. And we will go there – Oreshnik.
Let’s see what happens.
Yes, it will be interesting to see whether NATO can summon up the guts to accept the challenge from president Putin. My guess is that NATO will cmpletely ignore it.
Pity, cause it cpuld set a whole new precedent for war fighting. Unfortunately I can’t see this precedent being applicable to state sponsored genocide – such as is being perfected by the zio freaks in occupied Palestine.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 19 2024 11:44 utc | 161
Digging the hole deeper for the Kyiv cabal Zelenskyy & Co … as the prospect of regaining lost territories drops behind the horizon of a “Victory Plan” … the true self of NATO and its aggression becomes more overt by the hour … have been covering Mark Rutte for the last 14 years or more … the right person in history for the job … destruction of Europe. Absolute nobody with no vision and no backbone … loves Boris and Donald … cut from the same cloth. Libertarian and colonialism … contradictio in terminis.
people dont get that the oreshnik is considered high tech for the russian people. thats why putin keeps braggin about it.
in the west it is considered decades old tech.
Posted by: chaoticafro | Dec 19 2024 12:18 utc | 163
@chaoticafro | Dec 19 2024 12:18 utc | 173
people dont get that the oreshnik is considered high tech for the russian people. thats why putin keeps braggin about it.
in the west it is considered decades old tech.
In that case there should be no problem accepting Putins duel challenge:
Putin proposed to the West to conduct a “technological duel”: select a site in Kiev, concentrate all air defense and missile defense forces there, and Russia will strike it with the Oreshnik.
“We are ready for such an experiment,” the president said.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 19 2024 12:30 utc | 164
Shift change in the troll factory, and now they want to discuss the Oreshnik. Yeah, okay: The hazel twig (or branch) has a traditional use in the Sauna, where friends use it to stroke each others’ back while sweltering. —
Posted by: persiflo | Dec 19 2024 12:30 utc | 165
@ chaoticafro | Dec 19 2024 12:18 utc | 173
The “west” considers Earth to be flat, men to be women and terrorists to be freedom fighters too.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 19 2024 12:30 utc | 166
nwwoods | Dec 19 2024 3:26 utc | 122
*** How does this equate to “80%”? ***
RT, as with its Western equivalents, is basically a tool of the liberal Establishment.
Though generally not as blatant in injecting liberal propaganda.
But it has been thus since it first appeared…..
Like the Qatar television station, offering some genuinely informative stuff — but also some dubious content.
Being blocked by overtly US puppet regimes does not make either of them any better or worse.
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 19 2024 12:42 utc | 167
It looked like Ukraine bombed a training facility in Chechnya with a propeller plane last week, Russia couldn’t stop it, I guess it lost the tech duel. Where are all these ballistic missiles, maybe there’s a reason countries don’t exclusively use them, Russia fired 1 so far with zero payload, doesn’t sound so effective.
Posted by: Smoky Mo | Dec 19 2024 12:43 utc | 168
Smoky Mo 178
“Russia fired 1 so far with zero payload, doesn’t sound so effective.”
You might want to ask Rheinmetal how their underground factory in Ukraine is doing.
While you’re at it, maybe snap up some shares in VW and Mercedes? You’re welcome.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 19 2024 12:50 utc | 169
Putin on negotiations with Ukraine:
We reached an agreement in Istanbul at the end of 2022. I repeat for the hundredth time: the Ukrainian side initialed this document, which means that, on the whole, it agreed with it. Then, for some reason, they refused. It is clear why. Because your ally, Mr. Johnson, came here, a man with a good haircut, and said that they should fight to the last Ukrainian. So they are fighting. Soon they will run out of Ukrainians who want to fight. I don’t think there will be any Ukrainians left who want to fight.
We are ready, but the other side needs to be ready for negotiations and compromise.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/115597
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 19 2024 12:50 utc | 170
Russia laughing about the west not shooting down hypersonic missiles
The west laughing Russia cant shoot down propellor planes 😂
Posted by: fatheadsflathead | Dec 19 2024 12:53 utc | 171
Re: Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2024 17:42 utc | 1
Dmitry Medvedev:
It’s impossible to ignore the editorial published in The Times, where the bastards called the terrorist attack on Igor Kirillov and his assistant a “legitimate act of defence.”
Well, then… According to this logic:
1. All NATO decision-makers from countries that provided military assistance to Bandera Ukraine are participating in a hybrid or conventional war against Russia. There’s a whole legion of them. There’s not even enough space to list them, but all these individuals can and should be considered legitimate military targets for the Russian state. And for all Russian patriots, for that matter.
2. The people who committed the crimes against Russia named above always have accomplices. And they, too, are now legitimate military targets. These may include the lousy jackals from The Times, who cowardly hid behind an editorial. Meaning, the publication’s entire management team.
Logical? Very! So, be careful! After all, anything goes in London…
https://t.me/medvedev_telegramE/39
A bunch of pointless got air from Medvedev that means nothing.
Anyone taking this bluster seriously needs their head examined.
Of course in a war anyone in the military is a legitimate target – wherever they are.
Medvedev needs to grow up and stop spouting ignorant rubbish.
Posted by: Julian | Dec 19 2024 12:55 utc | 172
RE: “Ukraine is conducting an attack on Energodar NPP.
In the same time they attacked Rostov on Don with long range missiles.
The situation is getting more and more dangerous.”
Posted by: salmon | Dec 19 2024 9:45 utc | 160
How so?
With Putin jerking off to some imaginary “duel” that he’ll never authorize?
Dangerous…. Pfff…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 19 2024 12:59 utc | 173
retroflecks 152
“I ran across this map-image recently:
“Map of Peoples of Russia”
As this well-researched article shows, both Russia and China have a rich mosaic of ancient peoples living peacefully in their country. In stark contrast to the ghastly monoculture of Europeans who inhabit the USA, having successfully genocided the 500 nations that lived there previously.
https://youtu.be/aKiHX5TUZDM?si=jmy_vA9E2yAdwmGx
Well they do have Elizabeth Warren I guess. Non whites in the U.S. are imported slaves, not indigenous.
Hitler modeled his genocide on the North American one. Israel sulks that the world won’t let them do the same. Although they’re doing it anyway. Genocide defines us Zionist-Anglo-Saxons.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 19 2024 13:05 utc | 174
Re: Posted by: Englishman in NY | Dec 18 2024 23:31 utc | 81
Kellog, Trump’s appointed envoy to Ukraine says that the assassination of the RF General was “not a good idea, sort of not within the rules of war” !!! Lol. !!!
OMG. Such sanctimonious bs from a US admin. Ffs, how enemy commanders has the US killed in its history, both on and off the battlefield, directly or remotely IN OTHER PEOPLE’S COUNTRIES? It’s either a statement of distance from a US approved op, or a diss against Zelensky for political ends … or both.
A really dumb thing to say.
There are no “RULES” in love and war – if you don’t understand this you have no business fighting a war – because you will always lose.
Posted by: Julian | Dec 19 2024 13:11 utc | 175
wp007 @54: “Evgeny Karas [neo-Nazi activist] has said Nuclear war would be good for Ukraine”
Yep, a bit of strontium 90 in their bones would toughen those Ukes right up.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 19 2024 13:16 utc | 176
There are no “RULES” in love and war – if you don’t understand this you have no business fighting a war – because you will always lose.
Posted by: Julian | Dec 19 2024 13:11 utc | 185
But there are, of course. Such as the Geneva conventions. There are others. And the reason for those rules are to prevent absolute chaos. The spectacle of Western media celebrating an assassination ‘because the murdered man was Russian’ is disgusting. These shortsighted, mindless, fascist creatures are ushering in a world for their children that they will not like one bit. But when did these stupid fucks care about anything?
Of course the stenographer propagndist media is celebrating this murder..for murder it was.. because Ukraine and the West are having their asses..some 1000 of them… handed back to them in pieces, on the daily.
Western fascism is both bloodthirsty and limp dicked. An interesting combination. The rage of the impotent, hiding behind Ukraines skirts.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2024 13:43 utc | 177
The NAFO types who flock to these threads like the craven cockroaches they are amuse me as they grow increasingly desperate. I view their detached-from-reality assertions and rants as the demented flailing of their wounded psyches, as cognitive dissonance about the ability of the West to ‘win’ this war settles in. These posts are at least in part to convince themselves their worldview isn’t completely hollow and idiotic. Without the capacity to argue logically they’re reduced to such ..throwing shit on the wall and having tantrums.
It’s fucking funny, innit?
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2024 13:50 utc | 178
See Larry and Karl Sanchez.
If General Kirillov was so important, why wasn’t he protected.
He was on the Ukrainian death list.
Under Comrade Stalin, such irresponsible work by the security services would have been unthinkable.
SMERSH made sure that everyone did their best and was not negligent.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 13:55 utc | 179
The spectacle of Western media celebrating an assassination ‘because the murdered man was Russian’ is disgusting.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2024 13:43 utc | 187
one only has to look at germanys premiere propaganda outlet welt.de (anything axel springer to be honest, true to its roots).
“”killer coup” gegen putins atom-general.” (“killer-coup” against putins atom-general)
“MOSKAU: So lief das Bombenattentat auf den Russen-General Igor Kirilow ab! Bombe im Roller versteckt” (MOSCOW: This is how the bomb attack on Russian General Igor Kirilov went down! Bomb hidden in a scooter)
-> note, for the last translation, the language is once again pure racism and vile hatred from the german side. “russen-general” is not “russian general”, that would indeed be “russischer general”. instead, the german regime media once again ONLY uses such language for the russian people. you will NEVER read or hear a german say “amerikaner-general”, “franzosen-general”, “italiäner-general” etc.
pure, fucking, racists.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 19 2024 13:56 utc | 180
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 19 2024 12:50 utc | 179 “While you’re at it, maybe snap up some shares in VW and Mercedes? You’re welcome.”
Yeah, ditch those and put your money in Russian bonds. What the Central Bank’s rate? 20%? Russian corporate bonds are paying 30%?
Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 19 2024 14:00 utc | 181
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2024 13:43 utc | 187
The guy was a general in the Russian military. What was wrong with that?
It seems that the old line was that “old men send young men to war”.
The implicit part of that was the old men didn’t suffer the consequences.
Looking what happened in the past year, that seems to be less likely these days.
Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 19 2024 14:05 utc | 182
Apparently (according to RT), Russia has an 80% divorce rate – on top of the declining birthrate.
That is stunning and kind of a show stopper I would think.
Will constrain leadership, I would think, aside from the fact that that indicates some serious issues.
Unfortunate.
Posted by: jared | Dec 18 2024 17:24 utc | 7
Russia’s society sort of self destructed somewhere around 2017-2018, a few years before the plandemic. I guess social media use reached a certain level, can’t see any other explanation. Before that, guys would approach girls on the street; you’d see that almost daily in St. Petersburg. People would talk to each other, say something nice, comment on something.
Now the only people who will ever talk to a stranger in Russia are the ones selling discount card subscriptions, and drunks, and men who saw you doing pullups and had to stop what they were doing and walk over to you from two kilometers away to angrily interrupt you and tell you you’re doing everything wrong.
Russia turned into a country of pensioners. Young people stopped being out on the street (the pandemic and the lockdowns didn’t help either) and now just stay inside with their closed group of friends, which inevitably break apart after high school. Russians generally live their life as teenagers and don’t make any new friends or do much socially past the age of 20. Most of the Russians I know are perfectly okay people who nevertheless have zero friends. They can always manage to get help or support from people when they need it, but then fade back into solitude.
These problems are not helped by Russia’s climate and lack of any kind of public spaces apart from shopping malls. Parks used to be popular ten years ago; not any longer, definitely not among young people.
This is not armchair theorising. I lived there when this change happened.
Also, as pointed out to me by a fellow from Donbass who’s lived in Russia for a while: feminism (unavoidable given the exposure to the west, as well as all Russian media being very jewish) typically transforms into borderline personality disorder in Russian women. He described it as being “very popular”. Which is a nuclear bomb to dating and families. Ask me how I know.
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Commenters saying that an 80% divorce rate is impossible are not exactly correct: if everyone married five times, then the divorce rate would be 80% even if every single person was married.
But it does seem like a devastating, unrecoverable number.
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People in many places in the world are also simply getting uglier and less interested in romance. Russia included. More genotoxic poisons: the teens of today are the first ones thoroughly radiated with “safe, non-ionising” radiation from mobile phones as egg cells and sperm, and then there’s all the pesticides, plastics, hormones and fake food.
Plus no more evolutionary or sexual selection. The worst and sickest creeps have the same chances of breeding as better-functioning people, and usually have spare time and less inhibition to have more children too, which the functioning people then pay for. A lot of the young people look pretty harrowing. Little gangstas looking completely lost and hiding it behind a gigantic wall of toughness and narcissism.
Posted by: Jack M | Dec 19 2024 14:16 utc | 183
Ed4 191
“ Yeah, ditch those and put your money in Russian bonds.”
Thanks but I’ll just settle for a nice farm somewhere in Russia. Now that Russia (plus Brazil and other BRICS) have scooped up all the China agricultural import business that China has cancelled in zionreich west countries. Lost their taste for Nazi pork and wheat it seems.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 19 2024 14:20 utc | 184
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 19 2024 8:12 utc | 148
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Really dumb, even for you. Wow.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 14:24 utc | 185
Posted by: Julian | Dec 19 2024 13:11 utc | 185
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Yes, cope harder.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 14:28 utc | 186
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2024 13:50 utc | 188
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These NAFO kiddies aren’t behaving with confidence.
They know the end is near.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 14:31 utc | 187
Posted by: Philly | Dec 19 2024 5:53 utc | 137
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We know who Suresh is. No one knows who you are.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 14:36 utc | 188
Andrew Sarchus | Dec 19 2024 11:42 utc | 170
*** I could go on but the burlesque of US political life defies language to encompass. In the U.K. a general election finishes around midnight and the next morning the old is out, the new is in and a new government begins. Britain not exactly a model of speed and efficiency, changes power 400 times faster than the USSA. Biden’s turd pile can already be smelt all across the world.***
But in Britain nowadays, since the incoming government is invariably just as bad — or even worse — than the previous regime, that comparatively quick switchover in the Establishment’s lie-stuffed game of musical chairs really makes no difference.
There is no change of power. Agendas remain unchanged.
NATO’s US controllers, by their own blatant statement (for instance, that of Pompeo) would not allow that….
So it is all just a sick charade.
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 19 2024 14:39 utc | 189
Opinion Analysis on RT
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The attack on General Kirillov and his adjutant not only reveals the nature of the Kiev puppet regime and its Western puppet masters, but also shows their desperation. But with this only temporary end to a long series of cowardly terrorist attacks, Kiev may have gone too far.
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The murder of Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, the head of the radiation, chemical and biological defense troops (RCDBZ) of the Russian armed forces, and his adjutant sheds a harsh light on the question of who we are actually dealing with in the Ukraine conflict.
“100,000 US dollars and an EU passport”: Suspect behind assassination attempt on General Kirillov arrested
“100,000 US dollars and an EU passport”: Suspect behind assassination attempt on General Kirillov arrested
The terrorist act (and it was a terrorist act into which the Russian Investigative Committee has launched an investigation) against one of the highest-ranking officers of the Russian army finally sets priorities in the selection of our targets in the enemy camp and quite openly and clearly points to its customers, inspirers and curators.
Immediately after the news of the explosion of a parked electric scooter prepared with a kilogram of plastic explosives, in which two of our officers were killed, the Western media simultaneously published absolutely identical reports. The main thesis: the Ukrainian secret service SBU was behind the assassination, whose representative directly confirmed this; General Kirillov is a war criminal accused in numerous cases of the use of chemical weapons by the Russian armed forces, and therefore he is a legitimate target for Ukraine.
Considering that only the day before, the Ukrainian Prosecutor General’s Office brought charges against General Kirillov in absentia (according to other versions, the SBU announced initial suspicions), and before that personal sanctions were imposed on him by a number of Western countries, including Great Britain and Canada, an obvious two-pronged approach emerges: first, the information field and the context of “just retribution” are prepared, and after the terrorist attack, the thesis that the assassination is correct and justified is once again reiterated.
Chairman of the Defense Committee: Terror is a legitimate means of war
Chairman of the Defense Committee: Terror is a legitimate means of war
Thus, according to the plan of those who commissioned the assassination, the Russian arguments about Ukraine’s violation of all international conventions in wartime and state terrorism are neutralized from the outset. In addition, all of Kirillov’s numerous briefings and statements, in which he exposed the use of prohibited substances and weapons by Ukraine, including the military use of chemical weapons by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donetsk, Kharkov and Kherson regions, are nullified.
Some experts believe that Kirillov was a random target “that could be reached.” However, it is more likely that he was the victim of a targeted terrorist attack, which also contains an element of personal revenge. The fact is that the head of the Russian Armed Forces RCDBZ has consistently documented numerous cases of the direct involvement of Western countries in the development of chemical and biological weapons, the active activity of American biolaboratories on the territory of Ukraine (including the facilities of “Metabiota”, funded by President Biden’s son Hunter), as well as the direct involvement of the State Agency for Advanced Research DARPA, which is part of the US Department of Defense.
As for the principals’ “eavesdroppers”, they are visible to the naked eye. The only official in the West who immediately commented on Kirillov’s murder was British Prime Minister Keir Starmer: “We will certainly not mourn the death of a person who actively participated in an illegal invasion and brought suffering and death to the Ukrainian people.” And it was Starmer who was the first to put forward the thesis after the attack that “Ukraine has the right to self-defense against Russia’s illegal war.”
“Consent of the crime” – UN refuses to condemn the murder of General Kirillov
“Consent of the crime” – UN refuses to condemn the murder of General Kirillov
It should be noted that this thesis is a logical continuation of the concept of the need to “inflict pain” on Russia on its territory, which was propagated long before the Special Military Operation and which has once again found new life against the background of Ukraine’s deteriorating situation on the battlefield, if we look at the headlines
the media. The BBC reports: “The killing of a Russian general in Moscow is a sign that this war is real and very close to home.” Reuters reports: “The Russian war poses an existential threat to Ukraine, so such targeted killings are clearly a legitimate means.” And CBS declares: “Retribution for war crimes is inevitable.”
The New York Times, which fulfills the task of turning a terrorist act into something justifiable and acceptable, invented a new term: “unconventional actions that complement the war effort.”
But none of this matters, because verbal constructions do not stop a terrorist act from being one, and its consequences for perpetrators and backers will be accordingly.
Medvedev demands after Kirillov’s murder: “The people who ordered it in Kiev must be eliminated”
Medvedev demands after Kirillov’s murder: “The people who ordered it in Kiev must be eliminated”
On May 30, 2023, the building of the Main Directorate of the Intelligence Service of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Rybalsky Island was hit by a Ch-35U cruise missile, after which the head of the Main Directorate Budanov suddenly disappeared from the radar and did not appear in public for a long time. Experts believe that this blow was a “response” to a series of terrorist attacks behind which this structure was, including the missile attack on a plane carrying Ukrainian prisoners of war who were traveling from Russia to their homeland for exchange. Budanov escaped death at the time, but the message was very clear.
Blinded by the fear of a quick and unfavorable deal between Russia and the United States for Ukraine, the Kiev leadership and its henchmen have now made every effort to destroy any chance of peace talks and draw the United States and NATO even deeper into the conflict. For some reason, the powerful covert operations strategists believe that Putin will throw himself into Trump’s arms at the first opportunity and agree to all his proposals.
But the reality is that Vladimir Putin has already formulated our terms and there is no discussion of changing them. Not only that – against the background of the rapid advance of our troops, these terms are now becoming irrelevant, and the current love of Trump is now completely unfavorable and unnecessary for us. As our leadership has emphasized, since Kiev refuses to negotiate, the outcome of the Special Military Operation will be decided on the ground until our complete and final victory.
Assassination attempt on Russian NBC Defense Chief Kirillov in Moscow – Who is behind it?
Assassination attempt on Russian NBC defense chief Kirillov in Moscow – who is behind it?
This means that Zelensky and his masterminds will not achieve any of their goals through terrorist acts and murders. One thing they will achieve (or rather, they have already achieved): the long-overdue Ukrainian dictator and his gang have become legitimate military targets since the bombing of Ryazansky Prospekt – which means that sooner or later they will meet their end at the hands of Russian weapons or die for unknown reasons.
Yesterday, the deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council, Dmitry Medvedev, stated our official position: “Everything must be done to destroy the clients who are in Kyiv. These clients are known, they are the military and political leadership of Ukraine.”
To have some fun, did you want to play terror with Russia? Well, the countdown is on.
Translated from Russian. The article first appeared on RIA Novosti on December 18, 2024.
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https://rtde.live/international/229988-wars-dann-wohl-tabu-kiewer/
Posted by: ossi | Dec 19 2024 14:47 utc | 190
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 19 2024 14:20 utc | 194
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Can you imagine any of these trolls working the land IRL?
Soft hands, empty heads.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 14:58 utc | 191
We know who Suresh is. No one knows who you [Philly] are.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 14:36 utc | 198
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Yes, but I get the feeling he’s been here before under another nick.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 19 2024 15:00 utc | 192
*** Medvedev demands after Kirillov’s murder: “The people who ordered it in Kiev must be eliminated” ***
Just relayed by Kiev — if Medvedev wants to eliminate the source of orders, he should be looking at London instead….
Please amend the physicality of certain offices in Brussels as well.
Putin will not do it.
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 19 2024 15:03 utc | 193
Can you imagine any of these trolls working the land IRL?
Soft hands, empty heads.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 14:58 utc | 201
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…and wouldn’t bother to try if the temperature fell outside of a narrowly prescribed range 😉…
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 19 2024 15:04 utc | 194
Putin proposed to the West to conduct a “technological duel”: select a site in Kiev, concentrate all air defense and missile defense forces there, and Russia will strike it with the Oreshnik.
“We are ready for such an experiment,” the president said.
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Oh my. This has really upset the apple cart. Enjoying the spectacle of NAFO trolls wetting themselves. Poor dears.
Posted by: Barton Bendish | Dec 19 2024 15:13 utc | 195
It could be complete nonsense; I saw the notion of 3 million dead “Ukrainians” at a glance somewhere last week but didn’t pay attention to any details of where it came from and so on. Maybe it’s the unofficial number the Pentagon gave Trump?
Yes it sounds a bit high, I’d guess closer to 2 than 3.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 19 2024 3:54 utc | 124
Military science says that the casualty rate in a relatively static conflict as we see in Ukraine is generally proportional to the ammount of firepower the sides have relative to each other.
In other words if Russia has 10X the bombs, missiles and artillery campared to the Ukrainians then you can expect Ukraine to have 10X the casualties.
Russia has reported casualties of around 87,000 KIA. If Russia has 10x the ordinance they expect Ukraine to have 870,000 KIA.
Given that this is a war and both sides love to say how many they killed but treat their own casualties as state secrets all we really have to go on is this rule of thumb. The probable figures are the Russians have around 100,000 KIA while the Ukrainians are at around the million mark.
If you want a more precise number you’re going to have to wait until everyone with a reputation to be upheld is dead all the archives are opened … or about 50 years.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 19 2024 15:15 utc | 196
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 19 2024 15:03 utc | 203
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Nor should he.
If Russia responds to every provocation, that creates a feedback loop where the West will provocate until it has the desired cassus belli to sell to their publics.
What the Russians and Iranians are doing is the opposite of weakness. It is supreme restraint and emotional control.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2024 15:22 utc | 198
And so forth and so on…
Ukraine launched a missile attack against a massive chemical plant in Russia’s southern Rostov Region, the Russian Ministry of Defense has reported. According to the military, the attack happened on Wednesday. Six American-made ATACMS tactical missiles and four air-launched Storm Shadow cruise missiles were used in the assault.
Russian air defense units engaged the incoming missiles, successfully intercepting all ATACMS and three out of the four Storm Shadow missiles using S-400 and Buk-M3 surface-to-air missile systems, as well as the Pantsir air defense system. One of the Storm Shadows veered off course. However, it still impacted the facility, resulting in damage to a technical building on the premises, the ministry said.
https://www.rt.com/russia/609649-ukrainian-missile-strike-targets-chemical-plant/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 19 2024 15:33 utc | 199
If you want a more precise number you’re going to have to wait until everyone with a reputation to be upheld is dead all the archives are opened … or about 50 years.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 19 2024 15:15 utc | 206
Do we? Let’s try the logic for RF
2022 we have 1 million bayonets, 2024 we have 1.5
September 2022 we mobilized 300.000 reserves.
2022 more than 300.000 signed up
2024 over 430.000 signed up
No demobilization that I heard of or significant contracts ending before end of SMO
1 million initial stock + 1 million input- 1.5 million final stock = 0.5 million output
Output=losses (no longer able bodied available bayonets)
I spent years discussing numbers close to half of that, mediazona, excess mortality, etc. but it seems this is the easy calculation
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2024 15:36 utc | 200