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December 15, 2024
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You might want to know that the CIPSO trolls are getting paid by the number of responces they manage to generate in threads. What you think is a breathtaking stupidity actually is a CIPSO psychologist prepared text guaranteed for you to feel pity for a poor idiot and try to explain to him some basics that he evidently missed at his elemenrary school.
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The same goes for obvious insults which are pre-planned to generate a knee-jerk defensive responces.
Do not fall for them.
Posted by: Rutte | Dec 17 2024 2:32 utc | 301
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Humm! You seem to know a lot about CISPO Trolls; please tell me more.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 3:05 utc | 301
frithguild | Dec 17 2024 0:11 utc | 285–
Thanks for your reply. I don’t note this here often anymore, but THE Class War has existed for 4,000+ years between Creditors and Debtors–their wealth is the other’s debt. Eliminate the debt and you also eliminate the wealth. There’s much more to be said here–many hundreds of pages of history and economic theory. But I’ve put forth the fundamental basis of today’s conflict. Yet, as psychohistorian continually laments, few fasten upon that reality and plan how to reverse the situation.
All of Russia’s major banks are public utilities as are its major conglomerates and military industrial complex. IMO, to equal the efficiency and quality of Russia’s MIC, NATO would need to utilize 25-30% of GDP–about 5X more than Russia’s current 6.2%. And the amount needing to be spent just to catch-up for NATO increases daily.
Yet another Kiev-sponsored terrorist bomb assasination on a high MoD official today
2 years ago I postulated that, as Kiev loses more and more, it will guerilla attack Russia more and more, high and low, far and wide. Yeah not exactly a high IQ prediction. And, especially after the SMO might finish, Ukie bombers and their anti-Putin sympathiser operatives within RF will no doubt keep it up, just out of spite, as is their nature.
***This presents a very good case for some serious SBU Command hits.*** Catching the local perpetrators is small chips.
Other than intensifying Stasi-type ops within the populous as grassroots prevention, with heaps more public surveillance, I can’t see a solution. Remnant RF haters will also send in ISIS contractors et al, as long as the US wants to fund them and agitate Russian society through terrorism.
Sigh. Such a long way to go before Russia gets back to its happier days <2022. But that's all part of the US destabilise game -- pile shit on Moscow through all ways for as long as possible.
I wonder when Russian WILL,TRULY, have had enough of being picked on.
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 17 2024 6:35 utc | 303
Imagine it’s 2026, and war is over. The Americans have walked away, the European Union is licking its wounds. The map of the regions of Ukraine annexed by Russia looks like the map of the 2010 Ukrainian presidential elections. There are some small adjustments for Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian and Polish minorities to re-join their homeland if desired. The Russians are rebuilding what’s theirs, like Mariupol now. Hungary assimilates the 150,000 or so Ukrainians who speak Hungarian, and so on for other minorities – Romanian, Bulgarian and Polish. Fine.
But what with rump Ukraine? Who is going to pull them out of the rubble?
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 17 2024 7:01 utc | 304
Bomb blast kills top Russian general and his assistant in moscow by ukraine….guess what? Another red line will be drawn by Putin… at this stage are there an6 red crayons left in Russia?
Putin will then say our partners sponsored the ukraine to do this… what a joke this ukra8nebmatternhas turned into.
Posted by: memyselfandi | Dec 17 2024 7:07 utc | 305
@canuck | Dec 16 2024 15:25 utc | 211
All central banks are now “privately” controlled, except for North Korea maybe. These “privately” controlled central banks prop up the dollar, they keep the dollar artificially inflated so to speak. Previously the petro-dollar was kept in place by Saudi Arabia with all its oil, and now the dollar is kept in place by the “independent” central banks, who prioritize international trade via the dollar. So while the One World Government does not exist, the one world currency definitely does exist, and this is the dollar. Finance precedes politics so to speak. Countries need dollars with which to conduct their international trade, as per their central banks directives, so the more dollars floating around the more trade happens, everyone is happy. Hence the US is said to control its inflation by just exporting it to the rest of the world. Since the dollar market in global, and not just limited to the US, hyper-inflation of the dollar can take a long time to make itself evident.
The control the “private” central banks exert means that the US can continue its printing presses for an extended period. How much longer the “private” central banks can continue to artificially prop up the dollar remains to be seen, they must be close to breaking point by now.
Posted by: gT | Dec 17 2024 7:17 utc | 306
Yet another Kiev-sponsored terrorist bomb assasination on a high MoD official today
2 years ago I postulated that, as Kiev loses more and more, it will guerilla attack Russia more and more, high and low, far and wide. Yeah not exactly a high IQ prediction.
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 17 2024 6:35 utc | 312
Compared to 95% of the “predictions” by users here or talking heads of youtube, it was very high iq.
The only time RF fought something was against Wagners when they were threatening team Shoigu-Gerasimov (they never had any issue with Putin). When it comes to Ukr nazis or terrorists there’s no instant kill like it was with Wagners, it’s their “brothers” and US-EU are their “partners”.
It’s sad that Kirillov was blown up, he seemed to be one of the few actually working there. Life is hard in the third world, no difference these days between Syria and Russia.
Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2024 7:49 utc | 307
@315,
How these assassinations are happening in Moscow shows (again) how incompetent FSB and GUR are to prevent these types of actions. You would expect that at least these highly valuable targets are guarded properly. You would think that at some point there would be a reply for these terrorist actions. There needs to be a point where retaliation should be considered fair game. Your enemy does not care about any sort of morality anymore so they become increasingly unhinged.
Some of the predecessors of KGB and NKVD would be rolling in their graves to see how low these 2 security agencies have become in recent years.
Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 17 2024 7:51 utc | 308
These madmen will kill the whole world.
They
are
not
sane
https://apnews.com/article/russia-explosion-head-of-nuclear-defense-forces-killed-9656bce946a9f552454df9debe5fbd18
Posted by: Fred | Dec 17 2024 8:22 utc | 309
Posted by: gT | Dec 17 2024 7:17 utc | 316
All central banks are now “privately” controlled
Citation needed.. Do you mean controlled in the conspiracy sense or in official governance? Arguably most central banks are beholden to governments that are strongly influenced by liberal dogma and thus lobbyism. Hard private control – that’s the USA.
While it is true that USA can export inflation through the US dollar, the limit is in the “faith and credit” the system is built upon. If conditions are too detrimental for the other countries, dedollarization happens – first to the stronger countries and their alliances, then to the rest. Maybe the other way around, less important countries receive less pressure, defect first, defect best. In any case it is not a linear process, as per Hemingway: “how did you go broke? first slowly, then all at once.” Predictions are that US debt will go from 34T to 40T USD in a little over a year – good luck!
Quantitative easing meant that the world would still take dollars if given for free – this works for everyone high up the monetary food chain. Express GDP in dollars, go full OpEx, financialize everything and look rich on paper.
The war happens when paper loses credibility and the rush for actual assets starts. This is why we see the return of conquest, trade will only get you fiat paper money. War may get you assets.
The same logic will also return to first world societies – defect from money-based or rule-based society and official control mechanisms and grab some real power and assets. The US billionaires are surrounding the presidency ever tighter, Musks physical presence is a mechanism to frontrun other billionaires to Trump’s ear. They are seeking security in a huddle and need positions of hard power as they feel the stock market will fail tyhem soon.
Similarities to the movie “The Death of Stalin” are purely incidental.
A lot of this thought is inspired bz Dmitry Orlov: https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html
Sorry for going off-topic, putting the response near the prompt.
Posted by: SOS | Dec 17 2024 8:57 utc | 310
These madmen will kill the whole world.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 17 2024 8:22 utc | 319
Ask Trumpy and Zeli. They’ll tell you it’s is allowed to kill Iranian or Russian generals anytime you feel like doing it. It’s the same Gaza life in various forms.
Anyway, madam Zakharova expressed concern on social media, so now everyone can forget about it.
But can you guess what Tass writes about? “Charges brought by Ukraine – Kirillov was responsible for the widespread use of prohibited chemical weapons in Ukraine”!!! ( tass.com/emergencies/1888473 )
You can’t make this up, the guy isn’t even fully cold yet and Tass already tries to make his death acceptable, he was “evil”, right?
Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2024 8:59 utc | 311
Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2024 8:59 utc | 321
“They’ll tell you it’s is allowed to kill Iranian or Russian generals anytime you feel like doing it.”
It has been a nasty surprise for russians for quite some time. “We kill and rape them and they KILL us! Not fair! This was never supposed to happen. Mama please!
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 17 2024 9:19 utc | 312
Slow and steady wins the race yah? Horse shit. Well done US assassins. Pootin next before Jul 25.The rest will surrender.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20241217/general-igor-kirillov-and-his-assistant-reportedly-killed-in-moscow-blast-1121195249.html
Posted by: Surferket | Dec 17 2024 9:29 utc | 313
Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2024 7:49 utc | 317
Imo, little hits, one person assassinations like this one, plus Daria Dugan, journalists, etc, are nothing to what will happen when the real crazies come to town. Remember Belsen School Siege, Moscow Dubrovka Theatre Hostages, Crokus Concert Hall Shooting?
For those shitting on the Police or FSB, please appreciate it is incredibly hard to forsee and prevent amateur, street level terrorism. A couple of ex-Azovs with RPGs from a passing car to hit fuel storage or a civilian plane take off is all it will take to reek havok in Russian society. 100g of Semtex down a manhole could blow a major gasline in the Moscow CBD. With all the missing AFU weapons of the last 2 years … guerilla war is inevitable.
My point is that Russia will become National Enemy No 1 if/when Ukraine puts its mind to it in revenge for trying to crush them. They have already shown their nazi credentials WITHIN the SMO. Just wait till they expand further into the homelands.
Zelensky has already signalled exactly that. He said some months back — “We must take the fight to everyday Russians. We must make them feel pain”. That was an undeniable call to domestic terrorism.
I’m nowdays really doubtful that a softly softly approach on the Kiev regime is the wisest strategy. Every morning I wake up hoping to see the headlines “Kiev Regime Obliterated in Massive Strike Upon Zelensky and SBU Bunkers”.
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 17 2024 9:31 utc | 314
I’m nowdays really doubtful that a softly softly approach on the Kiev regime is the wisest strategy. Every morning I wake up hoping to see the headlines “Kiev Regime Obliterated in Massive Strike Upon Zelensky and SBU Bunkers”.
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 17 2024 9:31 utc | 324
And how would that solve the problem posed by the terrorists? Right. It wouldn’t.
What you hope for is that Ukraine – and Ukrainians – will simply cease to exist, so you don’t have to think about them anymore.
It won’t work. What we have raised there will not only haunt the Russians for years to come.
Posted by: Martina | Dec 17 2024 10:08 utc | 315
Russia is known to have built good relations with states (& populations) after having been in war with them and I think that’s what they hope for Ukraine too – and that’s the main reason for their relatively soft approach.
It may also be the only possible way to contain the very severe Nazi presence in Ukraine.
Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 17 2024 10:21 utc | 316
No current Syria or Open Thread, so here’ll do, sorry.
Syria game plan unfolding as designed. The fucking US at it again, all along, clandestinely manipulating the M.E. to their military advantage.
Trumps says it’s good that “Turkey overthrew the Assad regime” … as if they had no hand in it. Lol.
Trump posits that Turkey will “look after”, “sort out” Syria.
In other words, gradually Turkey + US will deal and fuck over the Jihadis until Turkey runs the north and west, and the US runs the east, with their stolen oil.
End result, Syria a NATO-controlled country. Israel very happy; Lebanon/Hezbollah thwarted; a great “US base” against Iraq and Iran, and some more IntRMs pointed at RF.
Posted by: Englishman in NY | Dec 17 2024 10:27 utc | 317
Putin is the Jewish-Neoliberal Trojan Horse… Thousands of Russians are dying and the Kremlin cabal is doing nothing but blowing hot air…How can you expect to win a war without fighting?
Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 17 2024 10:42 utc | 318
So the U.S.A. is killing Russian generals, while saying “Haha, it wasn’t me, it was Ukraine.”
I’d say: give Trump 5 weeks. We’ve waited this long, we can wait 5 weeks more.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 17 2024 10:43 utc | 319
The NATO trolls here have one truth – Putin is important to Russia in a way that neither Biden nor Trump are to the States. Biden, as I’ve said before, can hardly run a bath. Whoever runs US policy, it isn’t him.
Even the Great Disruptor 2016 Trump couldn’t get much done, and the military actually disobeyed him on ME troop reductions, without any consequences.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 17 2024 10:44 utc | 320
And how would that solve the problem posed by the terrorists? Right. It wouldn’t.
What you hope for is that Ukraine – and Ukrainians – will simply cease to exist, so you don’t have to think about them anymore.
It won’t work. What we have raised there will not only haunt the Russians for years to come.
Posted by: Martina | Dec 17 2024 10:08 utc | 325
Aah, but it would START to solve the terrorist problem.
And no. That’s not what I hope for at all. You’ve got a comprehension and assumption problem. My wish is to see the head of the Kievan terrorist snake cut off. ONLY THEN, imo, can the sensible Ukrainian people come to their senses, start to understand the real causes and issues for the SMO, have a fair vote on their future, flush out the nazi shit, and maybe re-establish their brotherhood with Russia.
Remember, the last time Ukraine had a fair election was 2010 (Yankovich). Poroshenko (2014) and Zelensky (2019) were Western plants … the whole cause for the SMO. They been living in a US-directed dictatorship for 10 years.
Posted by: Just a Voice | Dec 17 2024 10:51 utc | 321
all Ukr and USA chemical biological establishments remaining in Ukraine surely should now be targeted.
Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2024 11:06 utc | 322
Is it not betterfor Russia to do anything everything now so it can be blamed on Biden Blinken and co by everyone….rather than keep trucking on with some suggestion going the rounds that Putin is say”not doing the utmost” in order to kinda keep potential relationships with Trump hopeful???….
Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2024 11:21 utc | 323
Brace for another flood of “red-line-retaliation-weak-betrayal” posts. It is as if this is the primary reason and result of this type of terrorist attacks. AFU don’t know how to win a war, but know how to kill people. They can’t win the war, therefore they do what they can. Bland terrorism does not win anything.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 17 2024 11:44 utc | 324
While on the one hand, I am deeply suspicious of Trump, it is undeniable that the current power structures in the West are absolutely terrified of what he might do. As a child who grew up in the late Cold War, I am amazed at how reckless, how escalatory, TPTB are currently.
As Yogi Berra said, “Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future.” I have no line to the Kremlin, no influence with them. I think they are pursuing a rational, and fairly “sang froid” approach to the nightmare in Ukraine. I do not presume to think that I know better than they do.
“Vremya pokazhet.” Time will tell.
Posted by: Hunsdon | Dec 17 2024 11:59 utc | 325
Once again the Economist is gloomy about Kursk. Looking at a map the nuclear plants thought to be a target seem a long way off.
https://archive.ph/UG4YC
“When your correspondent calls, the Pasyugas (Ukrainians running a small newspaper) are preparing a special Christmas issue. They already know what they want: uplifting stories to raise the morale of their weary readers. For once, there will be no obituaries of the local boys lost in battle. The Kursk offensive will be left out too, though that is less unusual. The Pasyugas say they know “too much” to accept the official celebration of the offensive as “Ukraine’s great and only triumph of 2024”. They choose silence instead.”
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 17 2024 12:39 utc | 326
Putin explains why Zelensky is not legitimate, you can’t extend the powers of the president even in martial law!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 17 2024 0:17 utc | 287
It goes even further! Why was martial law declared? As far as i am aware of, war hasn’t been declared by either side!
So officially, Ukraine isn’t at war and the extension of any term under the excuse of martial law, is illegal.
It will be really funny if Ukraine was forced to start talks and Russians demanded a newly elected legitimate individual to sit to the table of negotiations….
Posted by: Modern Stoic | Dec 17 2024 12:40 utc | 327
Putin is just a coward and traitor..
he allows the generals to his left and right to be bombed away, wages an extremely weak war, allows the West to escalate further and further with long-range weapons and then punishes Ukraine, by bombing targets that should have been destroyed for years..
what a flop, this greatest Russian of all time 😉
Posted by: joe911 | Dec 17 2024 12:47 utc | 328
Il ne manque qu’expliquer doucement à Macron la réalité .
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 16 2024 14:08 utc | 185
Il ne manque plus que de doucement expliquer la réalité à Macron.
FIFY in proper French. T’es bienvenu.
Posted by: abc | Dec 17 2024 12:53 utc | 329
Posted by: joe911 | Dec 17 2024 12:47 utc | 338
haha fucking “Joe” of 911 fame .. a fucking little nazi fanboy ..
jerk harder Joe. lol
Posted by: Carrion | Dec 17 2024 13:15 utc | 330
Posted by: abc | Dec 17 2024 12:53 utc | 339
Ta guele! T’as pas mal de français qui auraient du mal à se débrouiller dans n’importe quelle langue. (FR inclus)
De toute façon le point à retenir est l’incapacité de l’armé français et les conneries que Macron continue à dire (n’importe quoi)
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 17 2024 13:54 utc | 331
Zero Hedge:
Ukraine Assassinates Head Of Russia’s Chemical & Biological Defense Forces With ‘Scooter Bomb’ In Moscow
Most senior Russian official killed since Ukraine war’s start dies in bomb blast…
Posted by: Carl | Dec 17 2024 14:22 utc | 332
Assassination in Moscow
The latest from Sputnik:
Key Revelations Slain Gen. Kirillov Exposed About Pentagon’s Biolabs Scheme – Sputnik, December 17, 2024
General Kirillov, head of Russia’s Radiological Chemical and Biological Defense Forces, gained prominence due to his regular appearances at military briefings, accusing the Kiev regime and its US patrons of operating biolaboratories and using chemical weapons.
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, the head of the Radiological, Chemical and Biological Defense troops of the Russian armed forces, was killed in a blast triggered by an improvised explosive device planted near his residence in Moscow. He leaves behind a legacy of eye-opening findings.
On Illegal US Bio-Research
Revelations by Russia’s Defense Ministry on illegal biological experiments at the Prestige Biotech’s California laboratory touched off a US Congressional investigation. The US Department of State played a direct role in the Biosecurity Engagement Program, which was initiated by ex-President Barack Obama, Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov revealed in one of the Ministry of Defense briefings.
The program’s priority areas for implementation include the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Ukraine, and Africa.
Third-party contractors, intermediaries, and NGOs—such as Metabiota, CH2M Hill, and EcoHealth Alliance—are utilized to serve the interests of clients like the State Department, Pentagon, FBI, and CIA, as well as for military biological research.
“Unconditional deterrence of adversaries” from using weapons of mass destruction against Washington and its allies has become one of the points of the new US national strategy, it was noted.
On US Biolabs in Ukraine
The US State Department is directly involved in these biological programs, despite the federal foreign agency’s denials, Lt. Gen. Igor Kirillov repeatedly underscored. The United States aims to exert global control over biological matters, he noted in one of his reports. He added that under Barack Obama, US biological programs in other countries were promoted at the recommendation of the State Department, with supporting documents available as evidence.
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Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 17 2024 14:38 utc | 333
Martina@325….the Russians call the Palestinians ‘terrorists’, Lavrov, again the other day. So how should one fight terror, attack the head of the snake……you totally missed Nasrallah getting assassinated, you missed the exploding pagers….but ask forgiveness for the 404 Cabal. Too funny is a sick twisted kind of way.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 17 2024 14:39 utc | 334
Show of hands — Who wants a Chechen solution?
That would be the case where Russia backs Ukrainians totally loyal to Russia and kills everyone else. In Chechnya there was no other way to cope with the cancer of Wahhabism. And it worked. The Chechens were not that happy about killing off their deluded fellow countrymen, there was no other way.
As the Ukrainian population gets smaller and smaller a Chechen solution becomes more feasible. Who wants that? If the West cannot stop the cancer of Russophobia it could happen. The only other outcome that seems likely to me is the war continues so bloody long on exactly the current path there is no one left to make mischief. Even a scooter bomb requires an operative with minimum health, intelligence, skill. There can’t be all that many left.
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 17 2024 14:44 utc | 335
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 17 2024 14:38 utc | 343
Re assasination.
There is some evidence that the bioresearch complex is under jeopardy to be exposed for what it is (playing with pathogens for subsidies under no supervision in foreign countries, an Obama legacy) under RFKjr and Trump. It may be what we are seeing with the drone situation in NY that is connected somehow to this, some clandestine action between the main players therein.
Posted by: alek_a | Dec 17 2024 14:46 utc | 336
https://globalsouth.co/2024/12/17/lieutenant-general-igor-kirillov-russian-bioweapons-expert-killed-via-ied-in-moscow/
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov worked in service to the world and to all of us. The curators, planners, and executors of this heinous crime deserve a kiss from a hazelnut tree. Evidently, I am not the only one thinking about Oreshniks.
We await an Oreshnik (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/44088?single) (Hazel) hypersonic missile on Bankovaya Street (main government buildings in Kiev.)
Medvedev
Posted by: Mary | Dec 17 2024 14:46 utc | 337
@SOS | Dec 17 2024 8:57 utc | 320
“Privately” controlled, “privately” owned, “independent” – same difference, no citations needed for that. Its like me needing citations to prove the proverbial “water is wet, fire is hot” narrative. Governments do not control their central banks unless they nationalise them. The central banks collectively do however follow the same directions that the governments in the West get, or at least try to follow the same directions the governments in the West get. The “faith and credit the system is built on” is maintained by the “private”, “independent” central banks operating in cahoots across the globe to maintain the relevance of the dollar, keeping up the faith so to speak.
Narrative control works, just look at how successful the Holocau$t has been for the last 80 years, the majority has faith in the Holocau$t.
https://www.unz.com/article/auschwitz-six-facts-and-seven-questions/
Posted by: gT | Dec 17 2024 14:50 utc | 338
Comrade rt, it’s very nice to read something from you here again.
Russia seems very weak when it comes to deterring assassins and preventing terrorist attacks.
Comrade Colonel Cassad is right: this is what happens when you try to play gentlemanly games with your Western “partners”.
Comrade Stalin would now know what to do.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 17 2024 14:53 utc | 339
Bland terrorism does not win anything.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 17 2024 11:44 utc | 334
It works very well in the third world where everything depends on individuals. Kill a few and all falls apart sooner or later. That’s why assassination is the preffered method of US, Ukr, Israel and others. Ask Iran, it worked well there.
Also, isn’t Budanov a legitimate target? He may be only an actor but he is on a wanted list in RF. His luck is that the idiots can’t capture or blow him up even if they wanted to because they have no means for surprise attacks and no one available on the ground to do it. These losers thought the assassinations in Donbass happen only there, then it started in Russia with that woman blown up near Moscow yearsa go and continued freely thru Crocos and Crimea beaches, 100% of them left unanswered like the NS explosion. But Nato, Ukr or both, with $10 can kill literally anyone they want in Russia with zero consequences. Let’s talk again in 3-5-10 years, see who begs for Istanbul 2 or Minsk 3 first
Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2024 15:04 utc | 340
349 – Sometimes you get people dismissing it by saying “terrorism is the weapon of the weak”, ie. Kiev does it because it is weaker and a sign it is losing the war. However, it can also be a weapon of the strong, attacking on a number of levels. NATO/404 can fire long-range expensive missiles at Russia – it can also send out hit teams to kill Dugin’s daughter and now, as we see, a general.
Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 17 2024 15:06 utc | 341
@ Waldorf | Dec 17 2024 15:06 utc | 351
NATO hits what they can, not what they wish to. Does not read like a strength to me.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 17 2024 15:18 utc | 342
In two weeks’ time the contracts for Russia to sell gas to Europe run out. Do you think the Russians will want to renew?
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 17 2024 15:26 utc | 343
@Passant
Yes, absolutely. Business with Western partners has priority. That is why the Kremlin is desperately begging for negotiations.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 17 2024 15:37 utc | 344
Dima did it again today. He claims (according to Kiev) that North Korean forces have captured large blocks of territory in the Kursk region. There are no videos or photos of dead NK bodies, only reports from the field by Ukraine “sources.”
To his credit, he did use the term “alleged Korean forces” at one point.
So, according to the AFU, NK troops are kicking ass in the Kursk.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 15:40 utc | 345
@ Passerby | Dec 17 2024 15:26 utc | 353
Russia wants to get paid for goods and services they provide. EU does not want to pay Russia for Russian goods and services on Russian terms, because US tells them not to. Therefore, the question is moot.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 17 2024 15:44 utc | 346
Kremlin is desperately begging for negotiations.
Posted by: vargas from franconia | Dec 17 2024 15:37 utc | 354
Play a new record, please, this one is broken, or find another way of begging for attention.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 17 2024 15:45 utc | 347
So, according to the AFU, NK troops are kicking ass in the Kursk.
@ Ed | Dec 17 2024 15:40 utc | 355
That depends which pro-NATO/AFU source you go to. There are “OSINT” (not to be confused with OSINT) social media accounts reporting “all North Koreans immediately died on first contact with AFU.” It’s a wonderful world out there.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 17 2024 15:48 utc | 348
I wonder if Putin is a reader of Dune:
The kindjal is modeled on the Caucasian khanjali (kinzhal in Russian), a long-double edged knife part of traditional dress and often used in duels. Traditional kindjals often have a blade length of 42-55 cm, almost twice as long as the Kindjals of the Dune books.
In Expanded Dune, the Kindjal is a type of fighter starcraft.
… Or Herbert a reader of Putin …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 17 2024 15:52 utc | 349
Also, isn’t Budanov a legitimate target?
Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2024 15:04 utc | 350
Abu Danov Al Ukrainiy has all what it takes to be called that… but it will be so much more fun to see that one on trial in Moscow. Even better than Göering in Nuremberg ^^.
Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 17 2024 15:58 utc | 350
Yes, absolutely. Business with Western partners has priority. That is why the Kremlin is desperately begging for negotiations.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 17 2024 15:37 utc | 354
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Pray tell, where and when did Putin “beg” for negotiations? The offer to negotiate is a civilized form of behavior called diplomacy. It’s too bad Genocide Joe did not have the intelligence to accept President Putin’s offer to negotiate their mutual security concerns in 2021, making the SMO necessary. How many people would still be alive today in their homes getting ready to celebrate Christmas if Biden had the strength of character to negotiate?
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 16:09 utc | 351
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 17 2024 15:52 utc | 359
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Arch, how dialectical of you. LOL
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 16:12 utc | 352
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The weapon of choice to keep the War on Terror active in the brainwashed western soldiers service minds. Supplied to ISIS by its backers and Masters and carried out by its DS minions.
Ukrops targeting a Top Level person who has no direct relevance to its now guaranteed strategic extermination ? Why not just use some assassin with a rifle or drones?
Why not Gerasimov or Putin ?
Any number of the heads of the military and civilian committees?
Why Him?
Given that the Collective Wastes ‘expert’ spooks have already popped up to make a song and dance – such as the odious ChemicalAli of the UK, Hamish De Breton Gordon – with a Narrative that is designed to deflect the revelations of the BioLabs.
I’d say it’s probably Mr and Mrs Kagans, all the third gen Nazis , all the failed again Napoleon Hitlers and their ziofascist Owners, The Great Gamer imperialists, in a bit of a panic about what was to be laid at Drumpffs New Yalta surrender talks, because as 45 he may have not been told about it.
It should be DJT and his team who should worry more about their security now – because this attack is aimed at them, as a cover as they get hit.
The seismic moves in West Asia are part of that.
The negotiations and arrangements will be well underway and the Old is being dragged screaming and yelling to its well deserved justice of the Gallows.
There are No Good Nazis or Fascists.
Whatever generation they are.
Let’s see what b says.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 17 2024 16:13 utc | 353
Sometimes you get people dismissing it by saying “terrorism is the weapon of the weak”, ie. Kiev does it because it is weaker and a sign it is losing the war. However, it can also be a weapon of the strong, attacking on a number of levels. NATO/404 can fire long-range expensive missiles at Russia – it can also send out hit teams to kill Dugin’s daughter and now, as we see, a general.
Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 17 2024 15:06 utc | 351
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In this case, NATO/404 is using terrorism out of weakness, not strength. Kyiv is losing the war, and NATO doesn’t know whether to shit or go blind, which makes them dangerous because they are weak. The German and French governments are crumbling, and their economies are falling apart. In the US, we are suffering from war inflation, similar to the Vietnam War.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 16:37 utc | 354
It’s too bad Genocide Joe did not have the intelligence to accept President Putin’s offer to negotiate their mutual security concerns in 2021, making the SMO necessary. How many people would still be alive today in their homes getting ready to celebrate Christmas if Biden had the strength of character to negotiate?
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 16:09 utc | 361
Yes, all these dead are on the west’s head.
Merkel’s memoirs confirm Russia sought to avoid conflict
“Even in early days of 2022, almost up to the end, <...> [Russian President Vladimir] Putin did really try to avoid this outcome,” Fazi told the Neutrality Studies YouTube channel in an interview. “Interestingly, Merkel does confirm this. She does confirm that, at the end of the day, Putin was committed to peace and was committed to avoiding this war through diplomatic means,” he added.
https://tass.com/world/1888817
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 17 2024 16:42 utc | 355
3 years in to the SMO and Russian generals are being assassinated on Russian soil while a foreign army occupies Russian territory for the first time in a century and all the idiots who started this war can do is whine that it’s terrorism when one of their generals is killed during wartime
Posted by: Grok the Fnord | Dec 17 2024 17:17 utc | 356
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 17 2024 2:48 utc | 304
Point take, I’m fascinated in how the SMO is being driven by different doctrinal decisions made nearly eighty years ago, and how they are impacting the conflict now.
All the recent big badabooms are certainly not nuclear, lazy, hyperbolic reporting aside. I remember when the IDF struck an underground ammo dump in Beirut, in the 80’s, the telegraph poles, km’s away, flexed and the roadway rippled and buckled, as though an earthquake had struck.
Posted by: Philly | Dec 17 2024 3:33 utc | 309
‘Your opinion is hubris Milites. I don’t rate it. My opinion stands.’
Posted by: Philly | Dec 17 2024 3:43 utc | 31
From your patronising definition of hubris (you forgot the attendant concept of nemesis by the way)
‘……..often dismissing out of hand without proper enquiry others’ perspectives as inferior.’
You’re not the most self-aware chap, are you?
Posted by: Milites | Dec 17 2024 18:01 utc | 357
The anti-fascist writer Arturo Barea said that while he was at his workplace in the Telefónica building in Madrid, a shell from the Condor Legion sent by the Nazis to support Franco went through the thick walls and hit the wall. Miraculously, the shell did not explode.
When taking the howitzer to the patio, it was disarmed by the Republican bomb squad who discovered a note inside: ”Comrades: do not fear. The shells I carry do not explode – A German worker.” Sabotage and attacks from the rear were the only way those who had the least could wage war: the poor.
The partisan war is not over. Just as the Francoist ABC or the Nazi Das Reich were ordered not to publish news about the defeats of their respective armies, the Western press is ordered not to publish what happens behind the Ukrainian battle lines where the army has to face a internal enemy: the population that supports the Russian army.
On June 27, 2023, two Russian S-300 ballistic missiles hit a pizzeria in Kramatorsk just as several dozen mercenaries and NATO personnel were dining. In order to locate them, the Russian army needed the support of the civilian population, which facilitated the location of the pizzeria.
But there is no need to go that far. On October 19 of this year, the Russian newspaper Izvestia reported that near Odessa the Ukrainian police found the body of businessman Gennady Behbudyan, linked to the forced recruitment of the Ukrainian population to be taken to the slaughterhouse. Last November in Kharkiv, Ukrainian partisans burned down the recruiting office at the Ukrposhta branch. Army officers’ cars are burned, bombs are placed in police stations, information of special relevance is passed on to the Russian army, trains are derailed or blown up, etc.
And there are stories that seem like something out of a movie, but fiction is based on reality. At the end of October of this year, the Russian special services together with the 36th Motorized Rifle Brigade rescued a North American citizen in territory occupied by Ukraine who had been providing information to the Russian army for more than 2 years. This citizen, among other things, had provided very valuable information that was useful to the Russian army for the liberation of the Ugledar area. His political asylum in Russia is currently being processed.
As the Ukrainian army falls defeat after defeat, the discontent of its soldiers and the mood for the war of the Ukrainian people decreases. Consequently, the Ukrainian resistance and partisans become stronger and plan larger actions. It is no coincidence that the number of desertions this fall has multiplied by five or that, despite having declared an amnesty for Ukrainian soldiers deserting from the front, only 10% return.
The advance of the Red Army in Europe was possible thanks to its collaboration with the partisan movement that made occupation impossible for the Nazi armies. Just as Western imperialists return, partisan war returns.
Los partisanos vuelven a Europa – mpr21
Posted by: hh | Dec 17 2024 19:36 utc | 358
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 1:35 utc | 297
“Hey Joe, get a clue: in a nuclear confrontation, we all die. Where do these people come from?”
Well, Ed, you have to remember that half the population, by definition, are of below average intelligence. Some of them are bound to show up here. Best to just ignore the poor fools.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 17 2024 19:37 utc | 359
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/148175
Fifty Ukrainian militants tried to cross the Dnieper along the bottom of a dry riverbed — the first footage of the night sortie by the Ukrainian Armed Forces was obtained by Zvezda. Our fighters tracked the enemy’s actions and struck at the right moment — all the saboteurs were eliminated.
@zvezdanews
Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 17 2024 20:30 utc | 360
The Assassination of Russia Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov
Anon from the Internet commentariat–
“To fairly square this murder, Russia would have to assassinate an American General in Washington. That would be what Putin has said often he would do: ‘mirror our actions proportionately with the damage done to us by our enemies.'”
Posted by: elmagnostic | Dec 17 2024 21:45 utc | 361
“highly educated” nafos are real mad that for 3 years they still didnt manage to manhandle a gas station.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 17 2024 22:14 utc | 362
Russia and Syria
This maybe OT here, but while being shocked (to a degree) by the recent collapse of Syria, the surprise factor is absent. For several years now Syria and RF made no serious response-neither with military action or diplomacy- to counter the obvious consolidation of HTS in Idlib, or counter the frequent Zionist air strikes (missile) into Syria. This inaction was clearly a result of zero motivation on the part of the Syrian PTB, and zero desire (for myriad and complex reasons) of RF to miff the Zionists.
So far as RF is concerned it may appear a “great strategic setback” in respect of their naval or air base on the coast, but the lack of any meaningful action by Russia in Syria over the last few years is quite possibly due to the RF accepting the inevitable, and opting to acquiesce to Türkiye taking control over (at least) northern Syria. I would not be surprised to see an orderly hand-over of these bases from RF to Ankara in the near future with concomitant withdrawal of naval and air assets back to Russia. This would likely piss-off some NATO members and Israel, but given that the two bases have absolutely zero strategic value to RF at present, gifting the infrastructure to Türkiye seems a sensible course of action.
Things are very fluid in the whole western Asia region at present but I suspect that Ukraine and the arctic regions are the main preoccupation of the RF, and that it will deal with the ME developments as they occur. I will not hazard any guesses as to what Iran might do, but think that Türkiye, Iraq and Iran may co0perate on curtailing the overall western influence via the Kurds.
Likewise, I despair for Lebanon, but again Türkiye might be a future player here, and I note that the social initiatives of HTS in Idlib seem to be modelled on those developed by Hezbollah in Lebanon, although the underlying ideologies may be very different.
I would point out the very obvious historical fact that for hundreds of years prior to WW1 all the provinces of Syria, Iraq and Palestine etc were relatively peaceful under Ottoman hegemony. The colonial meddling of the UK and France after 1916 is primarily responsible for the current discord in the region, of which the Zionist entity seems to be the primary beneficiary. To be clear, I am not advocating for a re-establishment of Ottoman rule over the region, but some order to the present situation should be established and it seems hat Türkiye is presently best placed to oversee this.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 18 2024 1:13 utc | 363
The first combat tests of the Oreshnik on Nov 21 turned out to be unexpected for the Americans. They did not collect any interesting information: there were no AWACS in the sky; the insidious Russians chose a moment when the low orbit was free of passing satellites. And no matter how much they dug into the huge holes, they did not find anything except sintered glassy stone and cement rubble.
So the Pentagon decided to tickle Russians once again and on December 11 launched 6 more ATACMS in Taganrog from the territory of 404. They thought, now Russians will rush to take revenge, hit 404 with Oreshnik – and we can spy on this. And Russians did exactly that: they decided to take revenge and even sent a warning to Pentagon about possible use of ballistic missiles against targets in 404 in the next 48 hours.
Yankees took it seriously: they scared all embassies in 404 with the arrival of the Oreshnik; scrambled their AWACS (and also British ones) for continuous duty over the Black Sea; all short- and long-range radar stations in the 404, Poland and Romania began to work openly, 24/7; American satellites, burning precious fuel for correction engines began to change orbits to be above scene of events. In general, fuss was serious – even grandiose: the satellite itself costs about a billion dollars, without fuel for correction engines it would simply fall and burn up in the atmosphere. The Americans decided to sacrifice much more for the Oreshnik.
Russian General Staff did not ignore the fuss – they carefully recorded everything, determined locations of radar stations, recorded their frequencies and other parameters, and remembered which satellites suddenly changed orbits. But Russians did not send Orešnik – they hit exposed positions of the 404 PVO with Gerańs. The 404 energy system, which became defenseless, and other previously secret targets were destroyed by “Kinzhals” and “Kalibres”.
Zelensky began to demand 12 batteries of Patriot AD system from USA. FYI: Pentagon itself has only 14 such batteries. Each of these batteries costs more than a billion dollars (excluding missiles), and Biden allocated the latest military aid package to 404 a measly 500 million dollars. Moreover… Patriot cannot shoot down such fast-flying targets.
In the meantime Russians are destroying identified air defense facilities in 404 to this day. On December 15, intelligence agencies reported destruction of 4 Patriot launchers in single day.
It can therefore be said that the (non-)use of Orešnik in 404 was a defeat for USA. We do not know what all the Russian airstrikes destroyed, but two facts are obvious. The Americans themselves confirmed that they lost something valuable, I guess some information gathering center in 404. The second fact is also mentioned above: liquidation of AD system sharply weakened the defense of various objects and they began to be liquidated. Damage to military, as well as protected objects, can reach billions. Not to mention the costs of monitoring possible Orešnik arrival, which were also extremely, unimaginably high. (telegram)
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 18 2024 6:38 utc | 364
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 18 2024 6:38 utc | 376
Utterly convincing, and fabulous.
I just read somewhere that the US have now handed the war responsibility over to (the rest of) NATO. It could have something to do with having lost too much recently.
Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 18 2024 8:27 utc | 365
Nuclear War Would Be Good For Ukraine: Neo-Nazi
https://www.rt.com/russia/609517-nuclear-war-ukraine-karas/
“Evgeny Karas said he would welcome a nuclear escalation in the Ukraine conflict, in an interview on Tuesday with Radio Bayraktar, a Ukrainian broadcast named after a Turkish-made attack drone.
The man is a prominent figure in Ukrainian neo-Nazi circles and leader of the S-14 far-right group…”
Nazis Raus!
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 18 2024 9:13 utc | 366
More:
Evgeny Karas, SBU Agent and Leader of the Neo-Nazi Group S-14
https://mronline.org/2022/06/13/evgueny-karas-sbu-agent-and-leader-of-the-neo-nazi-group-s-14/
“…As with the Maidan, where he took refuge in the Canadian embassy, his commitment doesn’t extend to the courage of a real fighter. If things went wrong he knew the way to the famous embassy anyway…”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 18 2024 9:28 utc | 367
Russia will run out of gear a lot sonner than some of you think. In 3 years they’ve already lost conservatively +3500 tanks, 7500 armored vehicles and 700,000 troops. Meanwhile not a single NATO soldiers has died. If China was officially supporting Russia with gear, like NATO is doing with Ukraine, it could go on for a very long time, but at this rate, in another 3 years tops Russia will be done. NATO is evidently weakening Russia to be in a far stronger position for direct confrontation once it happens and it’d bound to happen.
Posted by: Manasata | Dec 18 2024 12:09 utc | 368
@ Passerby | Dec 18 2024 6:38 utc | 376
Highly plausible! I do regret that you posted this on a near-dead thread. Please consider reposting.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 12:12 utc | 369
What´s this “Dragon Fire” laser Col. Vadym Sukharevsky is boasting about?
It´s supposedly been developed in the UK and the Ukraine has “perfected” it.
Grant Shapps (he of the boats in his Black Sea bath) claims it can down planes and drones 2kms away . . .
Posted by: John Marks | Dec 18 2024 12:36 utc | 370
The first combat tests of the Oreshnik on Nov 21 turned out to be unexpected for the Americans. They did not collect any interesting information: there were no AWACS in the sky
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 18 2024 6:38 utc | 376
“Miro Del” channel bullshit, a story written by a 12yo or AI. They fly non-stop, there’s no pause, there’s no surprise anywhere ( tass.com/defense/1889369 ) That’s how they continue hit and run with Himars but RF was unable to see an entire army entering Kursk.
The most interesting to me is the lack of interest about Kirillov. Tass writes that he is considered a terrorist ( tass.com/emergencies/1888473 ) and tiny comments on social media from the complaining Zakharova and twitter warrior Medvedev. Are the losers extremely surprised or was a Prigo-style problem solving? Because when other third world countries had their exploding generals, for example Iran, they were more upset. These guys are almost happy he’s gone. So they’ve arrested some alleged terrorist in less than 24h, like with Crocus, to close the story faster.
Posted by: rk | Dec 18 2024 12:43 utc | 371
@Manasata – 381
Somehow you’re right. So far, only “Russians” have died.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 18 2024 13:20 utc | 372
re comments at 12:09 and 13:20 —
It’s always heartwarming when imbeciles find each other…as long as they can’t reproduce.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 15:38 utc | 373
NATO is evidently weakening Russia to be in a far stronger position for direct confrontation once it happens and it’d bound to happen.
Posted by: Manasata | Dec 18 2024 12:09 utc | 381
So the West’s strategy would be to conventionally weaken Russia so that it can only respond to an attack with nuclear weapons? And then the “superior” West would eliminate Russia once and for all with its nuclear weapons?
Sounds a bit like the admirable results of Jewish Democratic “think” tanks.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 18 2024 16:22 utc | 374
“But what with rump Ukraine? Who is going to pull them out of the rubble?
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 17 2024 7:01 utc | 313”
Thats going to get paid for with the money stole from Russia. It cant be returned its already been partially used as collateral for “loans” to Ukraine. it will amount to one last mega payment to Ukraine largely consumed by graft like its predecessors. The USA washes its hands with the stolen Russian funds. Russia gets all of its minimums. The stolen funds is why there is a deal to be had.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 20 2024 16:49 utc | 375
After some consideration I have formed a opinion that Kirillov was killed for reasons that go beyond the war and probably have to do with its end. You can argue that Kirillov was killed because he represented a strategic asset and thus was a attempt at escelation to the strategic level and its true this argument has merit. But as we see really if that was the motive as it had no effect in that realm and that must have been obvious.
I think Kirillov was killed because of some aspect of his knowledge about biological warfare. On that note will Ukraine bio laboratories be addressed in the soon to be Trump-Putin negotiations? Kirillov had the best understanding of these facilities as military assets and in fact they were paid for with the Pentagon budget.Russia best have “research facilities” in its security requirements. A Russia approved unregulated Bidencraine could take very interesting form. Obviously blackrock will get compensated first out of the stolen Russian funds for any losses, then graft, then some rebuilding.
Putin had interesting points in his speech that EU military expenditure increase is less than inflation. Biological warfare with its self delivering payload may be the only affordable option even for large nations like the EU.
Biological weapons do not contaminate the macro environment like nuclear weapons the contamination is inside humanity’s bodies from designs some considered failures some considered successes.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 20 2024 17:16 utc | 376