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December 15, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-300

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Ukraine Weekly Update, 13th December 2024: Mat be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-d93

Posted by: The Busker | Dec 15 2024 14:00 utc | 1

NATO is being overwhelmed by North Koreans in Kursk. I heard it on the Military Summary Channel, so it must be true!
Let the Kursk bed-shitting begin!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 15 2024 14:36 utc | 2

This guy https://www.youtube.com/@W.H.I.P.S is posting some very good videos on the Ukraine war. He’s not a mapper or an anaylist but a journalist. I watched this one yesterday on the situation around Pokrosk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z5gQSFe4WY

Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 15 2024 15:04 utc | 3

Continuing the comments in the last thread re Norway’s rising power costs due to the EEA we have this, I believe the highest before this was in 2022 at 900 euro.
It is primarily due to the high and rising cost of NG which powers many German power stations, the cost of which could rise even higher if the sun and wind don’t return or in 16 days the biggest gas pipeline still supplying the EU though Ukraine is turned off by the Ukrainians.
This act will probably elevate the Ukrainians to the most hated country in Europe as no doubt the Russians would be keen to keep that income coming.
Geo_monitor@colonelhomsi Electricity prices in Germany break historical records – Handelsblatt. 936 euros per MWh – electricity prices in Germany, which broke a historical record!

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 15 2024 15:12 utc | 4

Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 15 2024 15:04 utc | 3
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Subscribed, thank you.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 15:22 utc | 5

Two Russian oil tankers carrying large oil supplies sank in heavy seas off Crimea.
Further evidence of degradation. You have the loss in Syria, the decline of the ruble, the occupation of homeland by foreign troops.
Inescapable but to conclude the luster of Putin’s historical standing has become irretrievably tarnished through the invasion. It appears that Trump will be the key to Putin’s redemption if he can swing a peace deal that allows Russia to keep the Donbas and Crimea as valuable spoils of war.
If not and the war continues there doesn’t seem to be a favorable result for anyone since the only path to victory for either side likely includes nuclear annihilation

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:24 utc | 6

@ Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:24 utc | 6
You should write for the Economist.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 15 2024 15:27 utc | 7

Limp response there uhm, “boneless”.

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:33 utc | 8

@ Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:33 utc | 8
Not worth a good one.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 15 2024 15:34 utc | 9

Boneless@1524 Dec 15
The “Economist” might be valid for the UK. Here in the states, it is obvious that Cuero’s posting would be most appropriate for The “Onion”. “Mad” magazine would have been the ideal choice, but they went out of the game several years ago.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2024 15:36 utc | 10

Looks like another sabotage attack on the TCC pres-gang offices:

In Dnipro, an explosion occurred: there are dead and wounded, among them – policemen
On Saturday, December 14, at about 14: 45 at the intersection of Stepan Bandera and Lesya Ukrainka streets in Dnipro, an explosion occurred
This is reported by the press service of the police, reports RegioNews .
As a result of the explosion, according to preliminary information, a person was killed. There are injured people, including two policemen. The victims were hospitalized.
Now investigators, explosives technicians, a forensic laboratory and all relevant services are working at the scene of the incident. The circumstances of the explosion are being established.
Recall that on December 9, an explosion occurred in the Kholodnogorsk district of Kharkiv near the main entrance to the administrative building of the territorial police department. No one was injured.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/dnepropetrovshchina/1734187012-u-dnipri-prolunav-vibuh-e-zagibliy-ta-poraneni-sered-nih-politseyski (via translation add-on.)
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Terrorist attack at the [TCC] building in Dnipro: law enforcement officers detained the bomber
Employees of the SBU and the National Police detained a man involved in the installation and detonation of an improvised explosive device near the building of the [TCC-SC] in Dnipro. Previously, he acted on the instructions of the Russian special services
This is reported by RegioNews with reference to the press center of the SBU.
Law enforcement officers established that a previously convicted 37-year-old resident of the region was involved in the terrorist attack. At about 14: 45 in the center of Dnipro, he detonated an improvised explosive device. The attacker was detained”in hot pursuit”.
“As a result of the incident, a man was killed, four more people were injured, including two policemen. The victims are now in the hospital. Doctors are fighting for their lives, ” the Main Department of the National Police in the Dnipropetrovsk region reported.
According to UP sources , the attack was committed by a resident of Dnipro, Ruben Voskanyan. Previously, the attacker acted on the instructions of the Russian special services.
The pre-trial investigation is currently underway. All circumstances and persons involved in the commission of the crime are established.
The issue of choosing a preventive measure for the person involved and declaring him on suspicion under Article 258 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (Terrorist act) is being resolved.
Recall that on December 14, at about 14: 45, an explosion occurred at the intersection of Stepan Bandera and Lesya Ukrainka Streets in Dnipro. One person was killed, there are wounded, among them-two policemen.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/dnepropetrovshchina/1734212683-terakt-bilya-budivli-ttsk-u-dnipri-pravoohorontsi-zatrimali-pidrivnika (via translation add-on with [edits].)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 15:50 utc | 11

NATO is being overwhelmed by North Koreans in Kursk. I heard it on the Military Summary Channel, so it must be true!
Let the Kursk bed-shitting begin!
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 15 2024 14:36 utc | 2
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I knew that Dima was not fit to be tied. Without a shred of evidence, he has now gone the whole hog to support the CIA / Biden campaign to justify South Korean forces (i.e., non-NATO forces) in Ukraine.
And why not NATO forces? Because that would NOT constitute an Article 5 attack on a NATO nation, which is a requirement for NATO to declare war on Russia. Dima is right in the middle of all of this. I wonder how much he was paid to sacrifice his objectivity and good name for the imperialist.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2024 16:02 utc | 12

Dilemma facing the empire. Economic hit against Russia has limitations because of Chinese backing. Military move against China again limited by Russian backing.
Chinese annexation of Taiwan if and when it happen will be a quick affair as compared to Ukraine smo. There again empire’s response limited by Russan firepower in the Pacific
Think Chinese waiting for the nato direct intervention in Ukraine or nato Russia conflict for making the Taiwan move
Chinese will have N Korean backing plus Houthis and Iranians to blow up the oil price by shutting down Gulf and Red sea

Posted by: Michael J | Dec 15 2024 16:09 utc | 13

3, HB:
Yeah, I like What’s Hidden a lot. Has a lot of interesting content in the embedded videos and they are long enough and large enough to get something out of. Not the annoying MilSum things that he clicks on and don’t show anything, but do cover up his map!

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 15 2024 16:14 utc | 14

Let’s suppose we are in 2026. War is over; Russia has won the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine; the US has dumped what is left of Ukraine in Europe’s lap. The European Union, with a shrinking German economy and increasingly unpopular governments, has limited funds available. How do we get the basics – water, housing, heating, electricity – up and running in Ukraine? Indeed, does the European Union have enough resources to rebuild Ukraine?

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:16 utc | 15

Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2024 16:02 utc | 12
There certainly isn’t any objective evidence of any NK troops but that doesn’t stop the sensationalist blathering.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 15 2024 16:21 utc | 16

Yes, cuero, highly likely, the last blow was it. You should write for Völkischer Beobachter. Definitevly, Operation Spring Awakening 1945 would be the best period for your agitprop, or strategic communication skills.
Lost of two older tankers is a true Waterloo for ruzzians. However, just another porolonged ‘Dunkelflaute’ is the right brain challenge for German unstoppable better, green people and their local war industry revival.

Posted by: Josef Schweik | Dec 15 2024 16:23 utc | 17

“Mad” magazine would have been the ideal choice, but they went out of the game several years ago.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2024 15:36 utc | 10

Really gotta wonder what motivates people to post such laughable tripe. What’s to gain? Is looking like a fool somehow attractive in some circles??

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 15 2024 16:24 utc | 18

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:16 utc | 15
My assumption is that Ukraine will be denied NATO membership to keep Russia happy, but given EU membership, to keep Ukraine happy.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:32 utc | 19

What? – me worry?
Yes those were the days.

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 15 2024 16:34 utc | 20

Two Russian oil tankers carrying large oil supplies sank in heavy seas off Crimea.
Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:24 utc | 6
Nearly correct, it was in the Sea of Azov in the report I read. The company that owns them had another break up in similar conditions in 2022,

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 15 2024 16:34 utc | 21

My assumption is that Ukraine will be denied NATO membership to keep Russia happy, but given EU membership, to keep Ukraine happy.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:32 utc | 19
But only if Ukrainian agriculture is no longer a risk to EU farmers so keeps them happy. Lots of happiness potential!

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 15 2024 16:36 utc | 22

How do we get the basics – water, housing, heating, electricity – up and running in Ukraine? Indeed, does the European Union have enough resources to rebuild Ukraine?
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:16 utc | 15
We don’t, it won’t by then.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Dec 15 2024 16:42 utc | 23

How do we get the basics – water, housing, heating, electricity – up and running in Ukraine? Indeed, does the European Union have enough resources to rebuild Ukraine?
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:16 utc | 15
Make nice with China. In 1945 the USA was the worlds factory and the only modern economy left standing. This time around it’s China. China has a trade surplus of over $800B/yr while today the USA has a trade deficit of around $700B. China’s always looking for investment opportunities.
Maybe German could join BRICS?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 15 2024 16:49 utc | 24

“Two Russian oil tankers carrying large oil supplies sank in heavy seas off Crimea.”
~4000t capacity. that is not all that much.

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 15 2024 16:54 utc | 25

My assumption is that Ukraine will be denied NATO membership to keep Russia happy, but given EU membership, to keep Ukraine happy.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:32 utc | 19
The important question about NATO membership is how the decision is made. Obviously, the US has the largest say in the matter, but how many dissenting countries would it take for the decision to be rejected?
Similarly with EU membership. How many countries are likely to veto even the initial steps towards acceptance of Ukraine?

Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Dec 15 2024 17:00 utc | 26

A tanker with fuel oil is in distress near the Kerch Strait
The tanker “Volgoneft 212” of the Perm company “Kama Shipping” is in distress near the waters of the Kerch Strait. The information is provided by Interfax with reference to emergency services.
There are 13 crew members on board the tanker, the vessel carries 4.3 thousand tons of fuel oil.
The emergency, according to the source, occurred 8 kilometers from the coast. A rescue vessel came out in the direction of the tanker, the cause of the incident has not yet been specified.
It is known that Volgoneft 212 was launched in 1969, the tanker is assigned to the Large Port of St. Petersburg.

https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/12/15/a-tanker-with-fuel-oil-is-in-distress-near-the-kerch-strait
At the link there is a very hazy image that is reported to be a screenshot from a social media video.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 17:02 utc | 27

OMG, two oil tankers sank, Putin will never recorded his reputation. Meanwhile in Wisconsin 2,000 barrels spilled on the ground because of a faulty valve at a pumping station. Clearly the US’s decline is unstoppable at this point.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 15 2024 17:04 utc | 28

Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2024 16:02 utc | 12
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In the current internet paradigm, money talks.
I’ve always found mappers boring. Their analysis is literally 2D.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 17:09 utc | 29

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 15 2024 14:36 utc | 2
lol, noticed he’s lost a couple hundred followers in recent days on rumble(15.3k to 15.1k), I assume it’s rightfully due to that evidence free repeated nonsense. Doubt he cares though, the revenue is probably mostly on yt for him.

Posted by: knighthawk | Dec 15 2024 17:10 utc | 30

Also this from Interfax: https://www.interfax.ru/russia/997773 (via translation add-on.)

Moscow. December 15th. INTERFAX.EN-Crew error in difficult weather conditions is considered among the main versions of the crash of the tankers “Volgoneft 212” and “Volgoneft 239” in Kerch, the maritime search and rescue services told Interfax.
“In the area of the crash at a distance of about 7 km from the coast, difficult weather conditions, a strong storm. According to preliminary data, the crews of one or both tankers in such conditions could not cope with the elements and make mistakes in the management of the vessel. As a result, one vessel received critical damage to the bow, while the other was also seriously damaged. Previously, this is one of the main versions, it will be checked,”the source said.
Also, among the versions of the crash, excessive storm load on the tanker hulls will be considered. “These tankers were built from 1950 to the beginning of 1980. Specifically, these two are from the last series built in 1980 and 1984. Initially, they were designed as river tankers with the possibility of limited access to coastal sea zones in calm weather conditions. The storm could have caused an excessive load, and the hulls could not withstand it, ” he said.
During the accident, one of the damaged tankers ran aground, the other is adrift. Both tankers could accommodate up to 8 thousand tons of oil products in total.
“There is a threat of spilling the contents into the Kerch Strait. A characteristic film is visible on the surface of the water. There is no exact data yet on the amount of oil products that could have ended up in the water, “the source added.
There were a total of 27 people on board both tankers. They were evacuated on rafts and, according to preliminary data, were not injured. Rescuers lift them out of the water.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 17:10 utc | 31

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:16 utc | 15
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I do not believe that Russia will allow rump Ukraine to become a failed state on their border.
Remember, Belarus is going to be joining the Federation in a few years, which would expand the Russian border around 404.
Not wiping out the power grid and creating a humanitarian disaster makes perfect sense given that when this is all done, those UkroNazis in the West will be neighbors again.
I have read an interesting perspective from Marat how Russia may create a buffer zone in the middle of Ukraine administered by controllable Ukrainian oligarchs with Russian backing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 17:16 utc | 32

OT: Anyone else here getting worked-over by You Tube and its Googs ownership and control? Two “lessons” have been imposed on me. In the first instance, You Tube and YT only, has engineered a drop off in volume on all their presentations. Likely reason for that is to get folks to sign up for their “Premium” service. In other words, the bass-turds are not satisfied with watchers/listeners being obliged to listen to fukkin advertising during a number of podcasts. Irritating as hell, cus on accounta the fact that I do not need to sit in front of the screen and can be in the other room doing what needs to be done while catching the audio.
Secondly, they are “shooting blanks” after their first several Ines. Normally, there was a nearly endless array of possibilities to tune into. Now: Sometimes and other times not. Evidently, this nefarious monopoly is do all they can to follow Bank$ter/Federal “guidelines” as to what to present and “off narrative” possibilities.
Anyhoo, if any poster and/or lurker here on MoA has any ideas as to how to at least edge back into full volume, I’d be happy to buy you several rounds at the bar.
Overall take is that the Powers which should not be appear to be backing water, as their smooth voyage towards Bernaysian mind control has taken a lot of hits lately, as the public has access now…or at least recently…to “off narrative” information. Thus the kickback by Deep $tate cooperative monopoly information providers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2024 17:22 utc | 33

And I know it’s off -topic, but just to show that sh*t can happen anywhere: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyk3pyp7yno

Eight people have been injured, including one person in a critical condition, after a double-decker bus crashed into a railway bridge in Glasgow city centre.
Part of the roof of the 4A First Bus was torn off, with the vehicle wedged under the bridge on Cook Street at the junction with Commerce Street.
Five people were taken by ambulance to Queen Elizabeth University Hospital for treatment after the crash at about 18:00 GMT on Saturday, while three others were assessed at the scene and attended hospital.
Spike Turner, a passenger who was third from the front of the bus, said the driver had taken a wrong turn and crashed “straight into the bridge”.
The street is one-way and the bridge, near the O2 Academy, is located shortly after a turn – though is clearly marked for vehicles under 3.8 metres (12.5 ft).

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 17:31 utc | 34

@Cuero
NATO propaganda troll

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 15 2024 17:32 utc | 35

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2024 17:22 utc | 33
Switch browsers to Firefox and get Ublock origin and no more YT ads.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 15 2024 17:36 utc | 36

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 17:16 utc | 32
Now look here,
Russia cannot simply wipe out the power grid as there are numerous nuclear reactors relying on said power grid for their cooling. The “Shock and awe” Baghdad massacre, so beloved of NATO, did not have melting down nuclear power plants to contend with. Not that I believe Putin would ever entertain such tactics in any case.
Now good day to you.

Posted by: Proctor Buell-Nepis | Dec 15 2024 17:44 utc | 37

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2024 17:22 utc | 33
Switch browsers to Firefox and get Ublock origin and no more YT ads.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 15 2024 17:36 utc | 36
Then add this as well:
600% Sound Volume

Posted by: hh | Dec 15 2024 17:45 utc | 38

Judged by the quality of troll responses to my accurate post, the degradation of Putin’s Russia since the Ukrainian invasion is matched and perhaps exceeded by the comments on this blog.
For instance, 4.3 thousands tons is much greater by weight than 2000 barrels, a tanker much less two tankers sinking in the Sea of Azov can still be off the Crimean coast, the degradation which is apparent to all except a handful of limp dicks humping on uselessly against the tide of history in which they have laughably drowned, includes several other humiliations such as an unsuccessful military invasion of a much smaller country, the loss of face to Türkiye , Israel and the US in a still smaller country whose weak ruler it can no longer maintain in power, and a currency whose value now approaches a US penny…that is, if you round up.

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 17:47 utc | 39

the degradation of Putin’s Russia
Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 17:47 utc | 39

the quality of the nafo trolls is abysmally low. must be one of those DEI hires we so often here about.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 15 2024 17:50 utc | 40

@39
meh

Posted by: paddy | Dec 15 2024 18:19 utc | 41

“It appears that Trump will be the key to Putin’s redemption if he can swing a peace deal that allows Russia to keep the Donbas and Crimea as valuable spoils of war.”
Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:24 utc | 6
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I will bite, but only because you make it so easy.
What Trump does, or doesn’t do, means shit. The people of the Donbas and Crimea VOTED to leave Ukraine after the US (using Nazis criminals) ousted the ELECTED Ukrainian government in Feb. 2014 and replaced it with US dick suckers who would be willing to sacrifice its people and infrastructure for whatever the US and the EU demanded of them, starting with attacking the Russian-speaking majority in Crimea, the Donbas, and Odesa.
Of course, the goal for the US was to bring US nuclear weapons onto Russia’s border via NATO. Only a moron would not know this history, so I am giving you credit by assuming that you do know this. So, why are you attacking Russia when the bad guys are in Washington, moron.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2024 18:21 utc | 42

@aristodemos | Dec 15 2024 17:22 utc | 33

Anyhoo, if any poster and/or lurker here on MoA has any ideas as to how to at least edge back into full volume, I’d be happy to buy you several rounds at the bar.

I never log into YT and view YT videos only using Brave Browser and experience none of the issues you mention.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 15 2024 18:23 utc | 43

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 17:47 utc | 39
Or maybe it just shows that marine navigation difficulties aren’t only confined to Baltimore Harbour in calm weather…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 18:34 utc | 44

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 18:34 utc | 44

Up here in the North Sea we don’t even need bad weather to sink ships:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Heligoland_ship_collision

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 15 2024 18:39 utc | 45

Ed
What appears to you to be an attack on Putin to you is a brief recitation of facts.
The bad guys are winning and it’s good for Putin only in the sense that the bad guys are the only ones who can stop his downward spiral. Not the greatest spot for a chess master to find himself trapped. They allowed him to keep his warm water port and his base, so that’s a good start. Wonder what else he gives up to maintain face going forward?
Nukes have been on his doorstep since before Putin was born. Besides, nukes aren’t necessary to be located on doorsteps.

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 18:40 utc | 46

Cuero
Crude oil weighs about 300 pounds per barrel.
Not only is your conjecture wrong, your arithmetic needs some adjustment.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 15 2024 18:47 utc | 47

Cuero 6
“Further evidence of degradation. You have the loss in Syria…”
You – or your British handlers at least – should keep up.
That “loss” in Syria might not be all it seems.
The latest statements from Mohammed al Jolani the new Syria leader indicate a potential good relationship with Russia.
The US of whatever seems to have gulped down a taste of its own betrayal medicine. The U.S. though is preoccupied with a new fight in north Syria between their dog in the fight the Kurds and Turkiye. Not sure the U.S. included war with Turkey in its playbook regime change in Syria. Now Jolani’s regime is threatening Israel – I doubt that was part of the plan either. Oof
Talking of dogs, Anthony Blinken looked more than usually dejected as he deflected questions on their unfolding Syria fiasco. Is it just me or has Blinken’s hair turned a shade more grey-white?
This episode will become a cautionary tale against doing regime change and being Anglo Saxon.
As Russia’s economy having overtaken those of stagnant Japan and cratering Germany, goes from strength to strength, Putin is looking quite chipper as victories in Ukraine continue to roll in in partnership with North Korea, whose economy in turn will soon overtake that of the hapless U.K.
Meanwhile the superstitious residents of New Jersey back in the USSA are wowed nightly by UFOs as thousands of Ukraine war drones flood the world’s black market complete with Christmas decorations.
Season’s greetings to all at MI6

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 15 2024 18:48 utc | 48

What appears to you to be an attack on Putin to you is a brief recitation of facts.
Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 18:40 utc | 46

You obviously have an extremely poor grasp of the facts… or perhaps you don’t know the meaning of the word.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 15 2024 18:49 utc | 49

There is a specific vocabulary propagandists use exclusively on this forum, making them trivial to spot for the usual crew, whatever nickname they swap to. They don’t even make an effort, it’s embarrassing, really.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 15 2024 18:50 utc | 50

Colonel Cassad warns of new Ukrainian offensives into Russian territory in the style of the Kursk Raid.
My prediction: yes, it could happen, and why not. And the Russians will be totally surprised again.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 15 2024 18:57 utc | 51

Just looking at Ukraine’s electricity grid: there has not been significant investment since USSR times (1991). Because of damage during the war, the grid will have to be more or less completely rebuilt. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Coal is the logical choice for Ukraine, but the main coal Ukrainian coal mines are in Donbass. Also, in the EU, coal is being phased out. If the EU has to choose, the energy source will be solar or wind. But solar or wind is not practical if you need to heat Ukrainian homes in winter. Natural gas might be a solution, but the EU sanctions the cheapest supplier, Russia. Do we expect Ukraine to pay significantly more for US LNG?
At this moment, Ukrainian able-bodied men are banned from leaving Ukraine. But with a future like this, the moment the war ends and the border opens, there will be significant migration.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 19:00 utc | 52

As down south continues MIA
https://tass.com/defense/1887537
Military operation in Ukraine
15 Dec, 09:46Updated at: 13:50
Russian forces liberate Vesyoly Gai, Pushkino in Donbass region
Russian forces also destroyed four US-made Patriot missile launchers, Russia’s Defense Ministry said
© Alexey Konovalov/TASS
MOSCOW, December 15. /TASS/. Russian forces have liberated the localities of Vesyoly Gai and Pushkino in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Russia’s Defense Ministry reported on Sunday.
“As a result of decisive actions by units from the Battlegroup South, the settlement of Vesyoly Gai in the DPR has been liberated. Units from the Battlegroup Center have liberated the settlement of Pushkino in an active offensive,” the ministry specified.
Battlegroup Center
Ukrainian forces sustained roughly 280 casualties and lost two tanks and two US-made Bradley IFVs, among other weapons, in the zone of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup Center in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
As a result of actions by the Battlegroup Center, the Ukrainians lost more than 280 troops, two tanks, three pick-up trucks, two howitzers as well as US-made Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and two US-supplied howitzers.
Battlegroup South
Ukrainian forces sustained roughly 400 casualties and lost a tank and two armored combat vehicles from actions by Russia’s Battlegroup South in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
Also, six motor vehicles, a US-supplied M777 howitzer, a D-30 howitzer and a British-made L-119 artillery mount were wiped out, the ministry added.
Battlegroup Dnepr
Russia’s Battlegroup Dnepr took out more than 70 Ukrainian troops in the Zaporozhye Region over the past 24 hours, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Sunday.
The Ukrainians lost four motor vehicles, a US-made M777 howitzer and a D-20 howitzer. Also, an ammo depot and a electronic warfare system were destroyed, the ministry added.
Battlegroup West
Units from Russia’s Battlegroup West have improved their tactical positions in the Kharkov Region and near the Serebryanka forestry, inflicting more than 550 casualties on Ukrainian troops, according to the ministry.
The enemy lost an IFV, two APCs, nine motor vehicles, an Iveco armored combat vehicle, two Italian-made Melara howitzers, a British-made howitzer and five other howitzers, the ministry said. Also, an ammo depot and an Anklav electronic warfare system were wiped out.
Battlegroup East
Ukraine’s armed forces sustained roughly 155 casualties and lost two armored combat vehicles from actions by Russia’s Battlegroup East in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
Also, the Ukrainians lost five motor vehicles, a French-made Caesar self-propelled howitzer and a Partizan multiple rocket launcher as units from the Battlegroup East continued to advance in the Zaporozhye Region and the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR). Four enemy counterattacks were repelled, the ministry added.
Russian forces wipe out four US-made Patriot missile launchers in past day
Russian forces destroyed four US-made Patriot missile launchers in the course of the special military operation in the past day, the ministry reported.
“Operational/tactical aircraft, attack unmanned aerial vehicles, missile troops and artillery of the Russian battlegroups wiped out a AN/MPQ-65 radar system and four US-made Patriot missile launchers and struck the infrastructure of military airfields, concentrations of enemy troops and weaponry in 146 areas,” the ministry said in a statement.
The Russian military has downed 650 Ukrainian warplanes since the start of the special military operation, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported.
“Overall, 650 Ukrainian warplanes, 283 helicopters, 37,809 unmanned aerial vehicles, 590 surface-to-air missile systems, 19,797 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,501 multiple rocket launchers, 19,644 field artillery guns and mortars and 29,235 special military motor vehicles have been destroyed since the start of the special military operation,” the ministry specified.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 15 2024 19:03 utc | 53

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2024 18:44 utc | 78
nato is the sole cause of this nato-russia war and ukraine is the proxy place.
<=NATO is not a cause, it serves as a convenient proxy for Class I and II intentions. Its purpose is to use the nation state NATO member governments as a money siphon.. Its method is to extract sufficient wealth from the masses (Class 4 persons) to enable the conduct of wars that open for Classes I and II persons new markets and to strengthen Class 1 and Class II possession of the monopoly powers that have made classes I and II people so powerful. If (NATO) is eliminated or if NATO fails a new proxy will be created to carry on in the place of NATO. =IMO, the only effective remedy involves changing the positions of Class I and Class II people in each of the prisons(nation states). From____as arranged to conduct war_____to___ As arranged for peace__. Class 1 people (Oligarch, deep state)______Class 4 people (the masses ) Class II( global corporations)_____________Class 3 (the Government) Class III( the government)_______________Class 2 (global corporations) Class IV ( the masses )_________________Class 1 (the Oligarch, deep state ) The driving force for war comes from needs of the people in Classes 1 and 2. Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 13 2024 19:16 utc | 105 Manipulation of consciousness by the ruling financier elites is calculated to stem, or at least delay their ultimate demise...as the number of "unbelievers" continues to mount...particularly amongst the younger generations. <= yes I agree the younger generations are beginning to grasp the lies.. evidence the 26 yr old who killed the wealthy President of United health care.. is an expression of that understanding. Each day the bastards involved in health care, medicine and housing are squeezing more and more out of the patients and customers and returning in services and housing less and less.. Maybe these systems that constitution the quality of one's life should be nationalized and their services or products be provided free to citizens? Globally, patent and copyright laws should not be enforceable against anything medical, pharmaceutical, housing, food or education. Access to Medicine, pharmaceuticals, housing, education, and food {MPHEF}should be considered human rights entitlements. Every state in the global nation state system should be obligated to provide these entitlements to its citizens before any legislature or ruler can budget or spend one dime of the tax payers money on military. No for-profit entity should be allowed to be involved with any of these five areas. It is monopoly powers in private hands that make Class 2 global multinationals so powerful? Monopoly powers gives the multinationals an advantage!. They can extract from the general population the best human capital and they can pay above average wages, and they can grant those they hire access to medical insurance, to long term -funded retirements, and to privileged access to medicine. These benefits and higher wage rates are incentives which they use to attract talent out of the general population. Taking talent out of the community slows or stops independent economic competition from developing; that is, the best talent is hired to keep such talent from competing against the big guys. I believe the UN charter needs to outlaw "profit making" and "enforcement of monopoly power when the subject of the enforcement or profit making touches on any of the five MPHEF areas". I am not a communist, or a socialist, I believe every human born on this earth is not only entitled to the best qualify of life the earth can provide them, but that providers of quality of life should be obligated to provide everyone with that best quality of life. Its such a waste for us to allow a few to establish conditions that fail to educate every human born to the earth and to include that educated human as a full participant in the affairs of our great society.. Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 13 2024 19:20 utc | 108 Ultimately, [en masse migration to the hinterlands ]..will become a template for awakening people right across the planet, most particularly here in the U$$A, as centralization and urbanization has been highly effective in depriving people of any sense of community. <= Maybe hinterland migration but what about a structural change in how the order of power within a nation state. (Classes 1, 2) could be rearranged (see schema above )? Americans and as near as I can tell most people in any of the western governed nation states are not happy with being treated as prisoners in a nation state owned by a very few.. something is going to give.somewhere I think.. Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 13 2024 19:29 utc | 115 Please [speaking to Tonyk @100 ]give us some details on those Western "high-tech weapons" which have frightened the Russians into holding back. We are all ears...and eyes. So come out with it. We are waiting. <= yes, I have upped the volume on my hearing aides to hear TonyhK's answer ..

Posted by: snake | Dec 15 2024 19:08 utc | 54

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 19:00 utc | 52
Indeed, that act of rebuilding the grid itself will require lots of materials and energy, not to mention the skilled labour and technicians. Much of Ukrainian steel-making capacity is now in Russian territory. I imagine that the copper cable manufacturing ability is severely reduced as well.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 19:08 utc | 55

Colonel Cassad warns of new Ukrainian offensives into Russian territory in the style of the Kursk Raid.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 15 2024 18:57 utc | 51
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My favorite 5th columnist. ❤️

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 19:08 utc | 56

And a rare event lately (didn’t know they still had them), with a mig29, a patriot radar and 4 patriot launchers… not a bad day
Russian forces down Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jet — top brass
Air defenses downed a MiG-29 fighter jet belonging to the Ukrainian air force, eight US-made HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and 116 unmanned aerial vehicles
MOSCOW, December 15. /TASS/. The Russian military downed a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jet in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Sunday.
“Air defenses downed a MiG-29 fighter jet belonging to the Ukrainian air force, eight US-made HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and 116 unmanned aerial vehicles,” the ministry specified in a statement.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 15 2024 19:09 utc | 57

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:24 utc | 6

Inescapable but to conclude the luster of Putin’s historical standing has become irretrievably tarnished through the invasion. It appears that Trump will be the key to Putin’s redemption if he can swing a peace deal that allows Russia to keep the Donbas and Crimea as valuable spoils of war.
If not and the war continues there doesn’t seem to be a favorable result for anyone since the only path to victory for either side likely includes nuclear annihilation

So beautifully crafted sentences, like flown from the pen of Jane Austen. Rich, poetic, strong, and sophisticated.
You definitely have a way with words, Madam. Well done.
“inescapable but to conclude the luster of…” Hey james, why can’t you write like this?

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 15 2024 19:13 utc | 58

interesting to read from the nafo trolls that it is always russia that needs to stop so that there can be peace.
when the easiest solution, worldwide i might add, is simply for nato to stop its nonstop unprovoked aggressions against souvereign states.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 15 2024 19:20 utc | 59

Kupkee
so you are telling me 2,000 barrels of oil at 300 lbs per barrel is greater weight than 4,300 tonnes of oil? ok…….
And how do you wish to characterize the other reported fact that the two Russian tankers were built in 1980-84 timeframe specifically for river transportation?
The mighty Russian Bear sent both out into very rough seas for which neither were fitted nor accommodated? Well of course, Cuero, because Russians are simply trying to drive up oil prices and relieve themselves of excess 40 year old river transport. And close the Kerch Strait in the process. Yet another brilliant 3D chess move!

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 19:21 utc | 60

Hey james, why can’t you write like this?
Posted by: hopehely | Dec 15 2024 19:13 utc | 58

LOL. Bullshit never smelled quite so sweet, eh?

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 15 2024 19:21 utc | 61

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 19:21 utc | 60
You’re seriously overcooking this, it’s just human factors, the same human factors that lead to ships and buses colliding with bridges, the same human factors that lead to rail crashes, the same human factors that lead to computer updates causing BSODs or throwing printers off the network…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 19:36 utc | 62

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 18:40 utc | 46

What appears to you to be an attack on Putin to you is a brief recitation of facts.
The bad guys are winning and it’s good for Putin only in the sense that the bad guys are the only ones who can stop his downward spiral. Text

Ok, so you do not like Putin, fine. Who would do like to replace him? Dmitri Medvedev or Yolanda Navalnaya?

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 15 2024 19:48 utc | 63

Remember, Belarus is going to be joining the Federation in a few years
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 17:16 utc | 32
Do you mean that all those time Lukashenko said Belarus would remain an independent sovereign state and that he was running for President again in 2025 were lies?
I doubt very much that Putin wants Belarus or Ukraine to lose their seats in the UN. Both are original founding members going back to 1945.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 15 2024 19:49 utc | 64

Am I bad for finding this funny:

FIFA finds those guilty of scandalous display of map of Ukraine without Crimea
FIFA has responded to the letter from the UAF regarding the display of a map of Ukraine without the Crimean peninsula during the draw for the 2026 World Cup.
It was reported in a press release by the Ukrainian Football Association.
According to the results of the draw for the qualifying groups for the 2026 World Cup, the Ukrainian national team was placed in Group D, where its rivals will be the winner of the France/Croatia pair in the Nations League playoff, Iceland and Azerbaijan.
Before the start of the draw process, FIFA showed a map of Europe on which Crimea is not the territory of Ukraine. Immediately after that, the UAF issued a statement that it had written a letter to the general secretaries of FIFA and UEFA — Mattias Grafström and Theodore Theodoridis, respectively, to receive an explanation for the error with the map.
On Sunday, December 15, the Ukrainian Football Association issued a statement that it had received a response from FIFA. The letter from the International Football Federation states that the error was caused by a third party that made the maps on behalf of the organization. FIFA assured that it would conduct an investigation to ensure that similar incidents do not occur again.
“We acknowledge receipt of your letter dated December 13, 2024 and would like to thank you for drawing our attention to the issue. We deeply respect the concerns expressed by the Ukrainian Football Association and understand the sensitivity of this issue.”
“The infographic map in question was developed by a third party – an external contractor for the provision of relevant services. Upon discovering the problem, we immediately took steps to resolve the situation, including taking measures to remove the image from circulation. In addition, we are conducting an internal investigation to ensure that such errors do not occur again in the future,” the UAF statement quotes.
FIFA also acknowledged its mistake regarding the map of Ukraine without Crimea and hopes for understanding from Ukraine, as it was done without any subtext.
“We are fully aware of the sensitivity of this issue, and although the incident was unintentional, we sincerely regret any moral damage it may have caused, and appreciate your mutual understanding, as we work with all responsibility to resolve this situation. Please feel free to contact us if you need additional clarification or would like to discuss this issue further,” the letter, signed by FIFA Chief Member Associations Officer Elkhan Mammadov, says.

https://ukranews.com/en/news/1053095-fifa-finds-those-guilty-of-scandalous-display-of-map-of-ukraine-without-crimea

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 19:53 utc | 65

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 17:47 utc | 39
Your original post suggests you are labouring under the misconception that Russia has the strategic capability to sustain both the Syrian operation and a near-war footing deployment in Ukraine. Even before the SMO there were numerous articles about the strain that the former deployment put on Russian strategic lift capabilities, both air and maritime. This has been exacerbated by the losses in naval logistics vessels and the strain placed on the already tired airframes of the VTA.
Coupled with this is the fact that the sclerotic Biden administration, run from the shadows by disciples of Obama’s pro-Iranian policy, that gifted Syria to Russia, is coming to an end. Putin therefore had a simple choice, Ukraine or Syria, a no-brainer really.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2024 18:21 utc | 42
I think your post reflects a hope, rather than a reality. My guess is every world leader has a countdown clock next to their bedside table, 35 hours and 16 minutes, as of this post.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 15 2024 20:00 utc | 66

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 15 2024 19:49 utc | 64
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I was talking about the Union State which both leaders have been very public about.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 20:12 utc | 67

936 euros per MWh – electricity prices in Germany, which broke a historical record!
Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 15 2024 15:12 utc | 4

UK says “Hold my beer!”
https://x.com/7Kiwi/status/1868237793937510692
“The UK was not immune with day ahead prices rising to over £400/MWh and one short-term bid being accepted for £3,105/MWh on Thursday.”

Posted by: Oldhand | Dec 15 2024 20:27 utc | 68

There certainly isn’t any objective evidence of any NK troops but that doesn’t stop the sensationalist blathering.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 15 2024 16:21 utc | 16
It is widely acknowledged that it is BOLLOX, Mr. Zanon. It is primarily intended for Western public consumption to facilitate the transition from the absence of NATO troop involvement in Ukraine to the rationale of, “If North Korea is engaged in the Ukraine conflict, why shouldn’t we be?”
Undoubtedly, the forthcoming significant falsehood will assert that these North Korean troops are currently situated on Ukrainian territory, rather than the existing Russian territory.
The myth is produced by Kiev and magnified by the intelligence agencies of the US and UK, along with their affiliations in the Western media.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 15 2024 20:30 utc | 69

Up here in the North Sea we don’t even need bad weather to sink ships:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Heligoland_ship_collision
Posted by: MAKK | Dec 15 2024 18:39 utc | 45
Wait, wait, wait!
What about the MS Estonia due to Stockholm?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_MS_Estonia
I guess that people are not so important as oil. I mean for the yankees and their vassals.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 15 2024 20:35 utc | 70

Posted by: Oldhand | Dec 15 2024 20:27 utc | 68
Not helped by the recent storms wrecking solar panels and wind turbines that the UK Gvt. has ideologically decided are the future for sustainable energy production.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 15 2024 20:38 utc | 71

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 19:53 utc | 65
Thanks for the good laugh!
No brain those morons. Supporters of the ukronazis of course.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 15 2024 20:40 utc | 72

was talking about the Union State which both leaders have been very public about.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 20:12 utc | 67
Words have meaning, you should use the words that mean what you want to convey. “ Joining the Federation” clearly means something besides continuing the confederation that Belarus has been a member of since 2019.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 15 2024 20:47 utc | 73

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 19:53 utc | 65
maybe those map designers will be put on the myrotvorets lists… after all, image is everything! reality doesn’t count for much…

Posted by: james | Dec 15 2024 20:55 utc | 74

@Naive | Dec 15 2024 20:35 utc | 70
@james | Dec 15 2024 20:55 utc | 74
Just a flying guess on my part, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the map-makers used some kind of AI/LLM in their production, and the algorithms provided a weight of evidence that Crimea is not part of Ukraine.
I am generally suspicious of such tools, but if they inadvertently reveal uncomfortable truths at times then so be it…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 21:06 utc | 75

Apparently today/yesterday was a strong day in kursk, after days and weeks at 200, back at 400.
As the numbers were consistently lower for a while, hope this is the start of the wrap-up, doesn’t look like the AFU wants to keep pouring top shelf stuff into kursk anymore.
Ukrainian casualties in Kursk region amount to over 400 in past day
Also, seven Ukrainian motor vehicles, three artillery mounts and 10 mortars were destroyed
MOSCOW, December 15. /TASS/. Ukrainian casualties in the Kursk Region in the past day amounted to more than 400 as the enemy also lost a tank, two infantry fighting vehicles and three armored combat vehicles there, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
Also, seven Ukrainian motor vehicles, three artillery mounts and 10 mortars were destroyed, the ministry added.
“Overall, since the hostilities in the Kursk area broke out, the enemy has lost more than 40,860 troops, 241 tanks, 180 infantry fighting vehicles, 125 armored personnel carriers 1,256 armored combat vehicles, 1,138 motor vehicles, 314 artillery guns and 40 multiple rocket launchers, including 11 HIMARS and six MLRS of US manufacture, as well as 13 missile launchers,” the ministry said in a statement.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 15 2024 21:10 utc | 76

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 15 2024 20:47 utc | 73
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They haven’t fully harmonized the military or border policy yet but it is in progress, which will make the differences between the two countries negligible.
Given your lack of familiarity, I recommend that you study the subject further.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2024 21:15 utc | 77

Gilbert credits Orban with de-escalation in Ukraine:

What I piece together from the material presented on this show is the certainty that Orban’s mission to Mar-al-Lago and his subsequent debriefing for Putin had a strong influence on the way that the Kremlin chose to retaliate for the attack on Taganrog.

https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2024/12/15/did-viktor-orban-achieve-anything-during-his-mission-to-mar-al-lago-this-past-week/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 15 2024 21:16 utc | 78

Not helped by the recent storms wrecking solar panels and wind turbines that the UK Gvt. has ideologically decided are the future for sustainable energy production.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 15 2024 20:38 utc | 71

Russia won’t be able to blow up the UK’s reliable generating capacity in retaliation for any stormashadow attacks, because the feckless greenshirts of the uniparty already did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkqFvn3RKB4

Posted by: Oldhand | Dec 15 2024 21:18 utc | 79

@Newbie | Dec 15 2024 21:10 utc | 76
And yet we get trolls popping up to suggest that Ukraine is about to mount another cross-border incursion.
Something, something definition of insanity mutter mumble

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 21:24 utc | 80

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2024 16:16 utc | 15
“How do we get the basics – water, housing, heating, electricity – up and running in Ukraine?”
It all depends on who the”we” is. You could give it to China and they could figure out how to make a go of it.

Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 15 2024 21:25 utc | 81

Cuero…. isn’t that the name of a character in a Stephen King movie about a mad St. Bernard? Maybe some attempt to connect with B? Whatever….
Regarding another cross border incursion by Ukraine..Rzesnow has been alerted!

Posted by: Norsk Borscht | Dec 15 2024 21:32 utc | 82

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 21:24 utc | 80
AFU has certain brigades conspicuously missing from the contact line. Surely they’re not polishing their parade shoes over there. Worth reminding that Kursk invasion happened “out of nowhere”, despite reports of force concentration. Point being, AFU keeps rebuilding offensive capability, one would assume for offense.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 15 2024 21:33 utc | 83

Compared to this, from John Helmer:

The General Staff warned Putin that Russian military capacities in the bases would be too weak to enforce his verbal exchanges with Erdogan and Netanyahu; that a Russian control zone around the bases could not be protected from a forced evacuation; and that if Putin agreed to this, he was risking the destruction of Russian credibility with strategic allies, Iran first of all, then China.

Upon giving Dances With Bears a close, careful reading, I’m really getting tired of such a thin gruel. Helmer keeps setting off my bullshit-o-meter. On his account, the General Staff keeps issuing ever more stern warnings to President Putin, such as “The General Staff and GRU warned Putin that Erdogan and Netanyahu could not be trusted…”
Don’t trust Erdogan & Netanyahu? Really? It starts to sound like the General Staff needs to warn Putin to carry an umbrella if it looks like rain. Like, impossible to even visualize, much less take Helmer’s word (or that of his network of anonymous sources) that such things actually occur. Doctorow has started to call out Helmer, appropriately I think, as Helmer exemplifies what jumping the shark looks like: utterly ridiculous.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 15 2024 21:33 utc | 84

@Newbie | Dec 15 2024 21:10 utc | 76
And yet we get trolls popping up to suggest that Ukraine is about to mount another cross-border incursion.
Something, something definition of insanity mutter mumble…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 21:24 utc | 80
Highly doubt that, if their line wasn’t being reduced they’d be hard pressed to keep losing almost 60k a month and still hold the LOC.
But with so little about ukraine proper being posted here, at least the trolls keep the thread busy, think of them as manure from which something useful might grow.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 15 2024 21:34 utc | 85

******* Passerby @15
How do we get the basics – water, housing, heating, electricity – up and running in Ukraine? Indeed, does the European Union have enough resources to rebuild Ukraine?
*********
After WWll the Geman army was used for several years, to cleanup the mess made by the war.
The same fate could await those in the Ukrainian AF.
The US did not do this in Iraq. Rumsfeld decided to let the Iraqi soldiers go home. They did that and started an insurgency.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Ukrainian AF.

Posted by: Jerr | Dec 15 2024 21:40 utc | 86

AFU has certain brigades conspicuously missing from the contact line.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 15 2024 21:33 utc | 83
At this stage I’d say they’re fully accounted for in the infernal legions…

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 15 2024 21:40 utc | 87

There is a specific vocabulary propagandists use exclusively on this forum, making them trivial to spot for the usual crew, whatever nickname they swap to. They don’t even make an effort, it’s embarrassing, really.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 15 2024 18:50 utc | 50
I say!
You chaps at the 77th Brigade are certainly not of the Old School stock these days. An unnecessary comma after, “embarassing”? By Jove, not in my day!!
Now good day to you.

Posted by: Proctor Buell-Nepis | Dec 15 2024 21:40 utc | 88

I wonder how much he [Dima] was paid to sacrifice his objectivity and good name for the imperialist.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2024 16:02 utc | 12
Ha. More likely he’s paid by YouTube and Patreons through his clickbaity headlines for views, likes, subs, merch. Factual ground mapping is one thing — but fantasy predictions based on nothing more than TG opinionisers posing they are “on the front” but just sewing crap that he swallows. It’s either an intentional scam or plain dumbarse ignorance. Is anyone surprised @vargas thinks the truth shines out of Dima’s arse.
He has/had another channel before MSC which was a bizarre Christian Sci-Fi monologue of biblical readings with futuristic graphics. Truly weird. Can’t find it any more.

Posted by: Wtf | Dec 15 2024 21:47 utc | 89

I am indebted to a poster at Smoothies for this gem:

70% Ukrainians supports the idea to fight to the end.
Remaining 30% still live in Ukraine.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 21:53 utc | 90

Posted by: Cuero | Dec 15 2024 15:24 utc | 6
Cuero is a Septic or learned English from them – he spells “lustre” as “luster”.
Mind, young UK people get half their English from the US anyway.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 15 2024 21:57 utc | 91

US and Uk and the rest of NATO just took down the RF ally in Syria and are now actively attempting to destabilize Georgia and Serbia.
US is engineering drastic sanctions to cut off all Serbian natural gas supplies from Russia. This after the CIA is funding riots in Nis and Belgrade in an attempted color revolution.
In Georgia the NATO/EU stooge President is refusing to leave office as rioters are attempting to take over the city.
RF needs to support these governments with SOF troops on the hurry up…….the CIA and MI6 are determined to destroy both governments……….fight, fight, fight never surrender……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 15 2024 22:00 utc | 92

Dima says that troops from North Korea are conducting active combat operations in the Kursk region.
Nothing like this has been reported by any other Russian channel.
Can anyone say anything more about this.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 15 2024 22:02 utc | 93

For Those Who Remember
Judicial Watch FOIA Bombshell: How the Biden State Dept. Let YouTuber Gonzalo Lira Die in Ukrainian Prison
On Jan. 11, 2024 conservative US YouTuber Gonzalo Lira died in a Ukrainian prison, where he was held for the crime of criticizing the war, and the US and Ukrainian governments. Now, a FOIA request by Judicial Watch sheds stark light on the Biden Regime’s complete failure to stand up for a US political prisoner in a Ukrainian prison. The e-mails reveal the US Embassy was aware of threats to Gonzalo Lira’s life, which it considered “no rush.”
After Gonzalo Lira’s death, the Embassy was mostly concerned with spin control and how to “beef up press guidance” to address the question of “why didn’t the U.S. government do more to assist Mr. Lira?”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/judicial-watch-foia-bombshell-how-biden-state-dept/

Posted by: Jerr | Dec 15 2024 22:03 utc | 94

@Liolia Paluzas | Sun, 15 Dec 2024 17:00:00 GMT | 26

The important question about NATO membership is how the decision is made. Obviously, the US has the largest say in the matter, but how many dissenting countries would it take for the decision to be rejected?

Only one. NATO must select new members unanimously. I think it’s the same with the EU.

Posted by: James M. | Dec 15 2024 22:07 utc | 95

Ukraine’s military leadership has changed the commander of the Donetsk tactical group amid Russia’s continued advance toward the city of Pokrovsk in southwestern Donbass. The replacement of General Alexander Lutsenko was announced on Friday by Ukrainian MP Mariana Bezuglaya on Telegram.
Pokrovsk (also known as Krasnoarmeysk) is the largest population center under Ukrainian control in the west of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR). It has gone from a major supply hub for the frontline forts to being on the front line itself.
General Alexander Tarnavsky, who participated in the “failed southern counteroffensive in 2023” will be taking his place, Bezuglaya revealed. The general commanded the Ukrainian forces operating in the city of Avdeevka when Russian forces captured it. Tarnavsky claimed the chaotic retreat of Ukrainian forces from Avdeevka was in fact going according to plan.
The co-chairman of the council on integrating Russia’s new territories, Vladimir Rogov, connected the change of commander with the difficult situation for the Ukrainian troops. “The urgent change of the commander…is symbolic, the enemy directly points to the disastrous and difficult situation on the Pokrovsk and Kurakhovo directions,” he commented, analyzing the incident for news agency RIA.
In the past 24 hours, Russian troops have liberated two villages in the DPR: Vesely Gai, located ten kilometers south of Kurakhovo, and Pushkino, 15 kilometers south of Pokrovsk. Kurakhovo is heavily fortified by Ukrainian forces and remains one of the last few major populated areas they control in southwestern Donbass. Pokrovsk is about 30 kilometers north of Kurakhovo. Last month, Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky referred to these areas as “the most difficult” for Ukrainian forces.
Back in November one Ukrainian commander told CNN that troops on the Pokrovsk front have been told to shoot unidentified persons on sight, fearful of Russian patrols infiltrating the sparsely held line. Another one told the outlet that only about 60 soldiers defended the key town of Selidovo when Russian forces took it last month.

Posted by: wp007 | Dec 15 2024 22:08 utc | 96

But with so little about ukraine proper being posted here

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 15 2024 21:34 utc | 85
Well, something I’ve noticed lately is that the Ukrainian news sources I monitor are regularly having long gaps in their updates.
Rightly or wrongly, I’ve been putting this down to interruptions in their power supply and/or internet connections.
Difficult to report stuff if you’re shivering in the dark and your phone has run out of charge.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 22:11 utc | 97

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 21:24 utc | 80
Capability is often mistakenly seen as synonymous with feasibility.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 15 2024 21:57 utc | 91
Round two to Webster, with the good doctor being tag teamed by social media.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 15 2024 22:27 utc | 98

Passerby @15
Ukraine as far as I’m concerned will be rebuilt by an Indian workforce paid in Rupee’s. Russia has an abundance of said currency and India has the manpower.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 15 2024 22:28 utc | 99

And I apologise for posting too much in this thread but just one more word:
Yuzhmash…
It’s all gone quiet over there,
It’s all gone quiet over there,
It’s all gone quiet,
It’s all gone quiet,
It’s all gone quiet over there
.”

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 15 2024 22:28 utc | 100