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December 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-291

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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First round of Romanian presidential election annulled.
Alleged Russian interference! Declassified “intelligence”!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 6 2024 17:25 utc | 201

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGsvD5h73Kk
A “gilded exile” for Zelensky? New rumor. I’d say getting rid of him is priority one to stop the war.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 6 2024 17:55 utc | 202

Georgescu has called for Romania to build closer relations with Russia and the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and claimed that NATO is the “world’s weakest alliance” that would not defend its member states against an attack.[8] Georgescu called the US Aegis system in Romania a “shame of diplomacy” in 2021.
Quote from a December 6 Institute for the Study of War PR. the vote, now anulled, where he succeeded was the day after the arrival of Oreshnik.
I am wondering if this election nullification will engender a “Striesand effect.” (In the early days of satellite mapping, someone posted a message viewed by about 6 people that identified the location of Barbara Streisand’s house. Shee took legal action against the poster. Then the satellite picture of he house had millions (?) of views).

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 6 2024 18:00 utc | 203

German Chancellor Scholz shakes hands with a wounded Ukrainian Neo-Nazi – on his visit to Ukraine to have talks with Zelensky.
“Zelensky had introduced the German official to an injured “fighter from the 🇺🇦National Guard battalion affiliated with the far-right Svoboda party.” According to the post, the party has ties to German neo-Nazi party ‘Der Dritte Weg’ (The Third Way).
A readout on the German chancellor’s website quotes him as reiterating Berlin’s unwavering support for Kiev during a joint press conference with Zelensky on Monday. Scholz added that his focus was on ensuring that Ukraine would be negotiating from a favorable position during any potential talks with Russia.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 6 2024 18:54 utc | 204

“The Ukrainian Army is suffering from a surge in desertion rates, with the extremely high casualties and very low life expectancy for personnel providing a growing incentive for new conscripts to seek to escape military service. A recent assessment by the Financial Times found than twice as many Ukrainian soldiers were charged with desertion in 2024 compared to the already high rates seen in the two preceding years, limiting the country’s ability to replenish its ranks. 60,000 cases against deserters were opened from January to October. Analysts have noted that an important contributing factor has been the lack of provisions for demobilisation even for the country’s longest serving conscripts, leaving personnel exhausted and denying them the usual four-week rotations off the front lines for rest and retraining. As one officer informed the Times: “They’re just killing them, instead of letting them rehabilitate and rest,” with those killed being replaced by draftees with substandard training.
The report was published days after a statement by a Ukrainian member of parliament that as many as 200,000 personnel may have deserted since February 2022. Footage of increasingly extreme methods used both by conscription officers to recruit new personnel, and by draftees to escape the front lines, have circulated increasingly widely on the Internet from late 2023, with draft dodgers interviewed citing the extreme casualty rates on the front lines and the lack of preparation that personnel received as reasons for their actions. “Men who are the right age for the military draft are scared to walk freely in the street,” one draft-dodger informed The Telegraph in late November, with recruiters referring to approaching potential draftees as “like dealing with a cornered rat.” The magnitude of Ukrainian losses was a factor in the projections of Russian intelligence that Kiev’s supporters in the Western world were increasingly seriously considering extreme measures, including large scale ground force deployments, to reverse the tide of the war.”
more at:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukrainian-army-desertion-surge-catastrophic-losses

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 6 2024 18:54 utc | 205

Canada Bans 324 Types of Guns – But Wants To Ship Them To Ukraine
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1864988153913970731
“The Public Safety minister described them as weapons ‘that belong on the battlefield’: Ottawa is collaborating with Kiev to donate some of the weapons – with Ukraine expressing interest.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 19:20 utc | 206

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 6 2024 18:54 utc | 205
“Kiev’s supporters in the Western world were increasingly seriously considering extreme measures, including large scale ground force deployments, to reverse the tide of the war.”
One of the most unintentionally funny sentences I’ve read recently. As Andrei Martyanov said a while ago, the Novosibirsk National Guard has more armed personnel than the British Army.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 6 2024 19:37 utc | 207

‘entrails’! “You were lucky . . .”
and etc.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 6 2024 16:21 utc | 200
Yeah – except we really did clean the dust of the circuit boards, the cathode ray tube and the valves with petrol and a paint brush. And we lived!

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Dec 6 2024 20:05 utc | 208

@membrum Virile | Dec 6 2024 0:20 utc | 121
>>Uh, how is a fighting force or whatever, in Syria, be a threat to Libya?
>>Situated some 2000 kms away.
When a force, trained and re-equipped in Syria, gets sent to Libya by Erdogan? Or anywhere else where Turkey wishes to raise some hell.
At the risk of feeding a troll, this in fact deserves some elaboration. Around 2015, what was the stated reason for the Russian intervention in Syria? Since their self-declared passion for Syrian democracy isn’t borne out by their conduct, and since their kit clearly betrays outside funding by the usual suspects, this is a proxy army which will unavoidably be let loose on the Caucasus etc as well if it’s not destroyed. As it happened, this force was not destroyed; ergo, in 2020 it was indeed let loose in Nagorno-Karabakh; and still the Kremlin learned nothing and did nothing. Let’s see if the loyalists can hold Homs at least; the vultures are circling.
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@Multipolar Panda | Dec 6 2024 2:54 utc | 133
>>Well, Brzezinski in his Grand Chessboard already identified the German Greens as a crucial part for keeping Germany firmly connected to NATO so I guess there has been a lot of grooming over the years…
No guessing needed. There was an open struggle between Realos and Fundis which I sorta remember from my youth, though then of course I didn’t oversee the meaning and consequences. Then as the Realos won and the thing crystallized, it turned out “Realo” just meant “woke neocon”. Their camp was led by (((Daniel Cohn-Bendit))) and especially (((Joschka Fischer))). The latter went on to impressive rewards as a NATO bigwig; just now I learn that the former also has some sexually transgressive writings to his name. Every. Single. Time. Though if the German goyim vote for this toxic crap, it’s perhaps unfair to single out our kosher friends for blame if they were, like so often, just ahead of the curve.
My turn to make a guess: the Realos probably had more money behind them?
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@boneless | Dec 6 2024 1:34 utc | 130
>>From the record of the previous NATO long-range strikes (primarily on Crimea), these tend to have a rather long break in-between.
Limited supply as you say, but I think also an element of frog-boiling, salami-tactics, cat-and-mouse game, which NATO has become very good at. Every time when critical mass is building in Russia to, you know, do something, the Dark Throne backs off for a while and makes some vague promises. Just long enough for Russian elites to once more get giddy about dialogue if not partnership with the West. At which point, boom, NATO strikes again–and a bit harder than the previous time. Then Russia has to once more start girding its loins from the beginning, never quite figuring out what is going on. So Moscow mumbles “in a manner and time of our own choosing,” which never quite works because a delayed response can easily be sold as “unprovoked aggression.”

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 6 2024 23:04 utc | 209

@5thcolumn | Dec 6 2024 7:22 utc | 156
>>How the tables have turned, it sounds like he hasn’t bought off his son from getting mobilized yet.
Seeing is believing. I think Ze would hate seeing Porky jr being sent off to the trenches, rightly fearing such a precedent since Ze himself is of military age. I think this was all just some pressure, some politicking–a threat meant to be toothless since Porky jr sits safely abroad, busy counting papa’s money. I think the Two Majors said it well with their title “Chronicles of Pig Farm”. Washington and Kiev have learned well from each other.
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@Avtonom | Dec 6 2024 9:57 utc | 169
>>IMO WWIII has started.
I’ll second that; as I tell my parents, “Let’s count ourselves lucky that the conventional phase of WWIII lasts this long.” But if they don’t heed my opinion, why should anybody else. 🙂 More germane: Emmanuel Todd is saying the exact same thing.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 6 2024 23:30 utc | 210

@ John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 19:20 utc | 206
canada shilling for ukraine.. when will it ever stop??

Posted by: james | Dec 6 2024 23:38 utc | 212

“canada shilling for ukraine.. when will it ever stop??”
Posted by: james | Dec 6 2024 23:38 utc | 212
Canada controls the US. Not zionists anymore. Canadians. Canadians are more pro-Ukie than Americans, it seems.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 7 2024 2:39 utc | 213

Re: Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 6 2024 23:30 utc | 210

@5thcolumn | Dec 6 2024 7:22 utc | 156
>>How the tables have turned, it sounds like he hasn’t bought off his son from getting mobilized yet.
Seeing is believing. I think Ze would hate seeing Porky jr being sent off to the trenches, rightly fearing such a precedent since Ze himself is of military age. I think this was all just some pressure, some politicking–a threat meant to be toothless since Porky jr sits safely abroad, busy counting papa’s money. I think the Two Majors said it well with their title “Chronicles of Pig Farm”. Washington and Kiev have learned well from each other.

Ze is not of military age!! Far too old.
If I think back to Vietnam – no one Ze’s age was being conscripted to fight for the United States. Absolutely ridiculous.
I mention the US revise this is of course a US financed and directed War on Russia.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 7 2024 3:19 utc | 214

re: james @ #212: “canada shilling for ukraine. when will it stop?”
Only when/if Canadians make it stop.
Mark Sleboda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqQE8kjcxo
“The wars in west Asia and Ukraine.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 7 2024 4:19 utc | 215

@Julian | Dec 7 2024 3:19 utc | 214
>>Ze is not of military age!! Far too old.
No in Ukistan he isn’t.
>>If I think back to Vietnam – no one Ze’s age was being conscripted to fight for the United States. Absolutely ridiculous.
Because you think back to something which is irrelevant. So much of the English-language internet is still Americans (or cultural Americans) thinking the whole world is the same as Stateside–or, where it isn’t, that it should be remade in that image. If we think back to ‘Nam, I think we should pause for a moment to consider the more numerous Vietnamese fighters who, you know, won the war. I make an informed guess that the Vietnamese population of that era was so young that this whole issue of military age didn’t occur on their side.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 10:01 utc | 216

Americans
Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 10:01 utc
Gringos
Everybody in the Americas are “americans”, remember.

Posted by: hh | Dec 7 2024 11:04 utc | 217

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ukraine/ukraine-liveticker-treffen-von-trump-macron-und-selenskyj-in-paris-faz-19030454.html
Spaghetti Western in Paris: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 7 2024 17:31 utc | 218

@ hh, §217:
A bit odd that the Southern continent, discovered by Amerigo, has a country called Colombia.
And the Northern continent, discovered by Columbus has a country called America.
Ah! the vagaries of history . . .
Almost as good as the Holy Roman Empire, which was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.

Posted by: John Marks | Dec 7 2024 17:52 utc | 219

I don’t understand the delusions of pro-RU claiming that this drawn out shitshow in Ukraine is what they expected all along. I guess Putin’s ally Assad being deposed is also part of the genius strategic tsar Putin’s plan.

Posted by: Chained Redone | Dec 7 2024 20:15 utc | 220

Canada controls the US. Not zionists anymore. Canadians. Canadians are more pro-Ukie than Americans, it seems.
Posted by: naBisco | Dec 7 2024 2:39 utc | 213
News to me. Nor has it stopped Trump from threatening to impose tariffs on Canada.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 7 2024 22:34 utc | 221