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December 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-291
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Ramzan Kadyrov has arrived at the front and is personally interrogating Ukrainian prisoners. He is said to have offered one of them a pistol to shoot himself. Great. Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 5 2024 8:16 utc | 1 I guess great NATO + miserable ukrops chickened out with the firing of missiles deep inside Russia, as I haven’t heard of any such firing of missiles deep inside Russia despite much talk and bravado. They are now just sending a few (35) pitiful drones to Rostov, Kursk, Bryansk, Belgorod, Ryazan, Kaluga, and Astrakhan, which is lame and weak. Oreshnikphobia? Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 5 2024 8:28 utc | 2 They are now just sending a few (35) pitiful drones to Rostov, Kursk, Bryansk, Belgorod, Ryazan, Kaluga, and Astrakhan, which is lame and weak. Oreshnikphobia? Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 5 2024 8:51 utc | 3 Why is Mark Rutte, NATO chief so aggressive? Posted by: salmon | Dec 5 2024 9:07 utc | 4 @Salmon Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 5 2024 9:15 utc | 5 Why is Mark Rutte, NATO chief so aggressive? Posted by: too scents | Dec 5 2024 9:25 utc | 7 US journalist Tucker’s interview with Lavrov to be published early on Dec. 6 — diplomat Posted by: Menz | Dec 5 2024 9:31 utc | 8 So maybe i missed some, but theres awfully low news about “protests against the putin regime“ since russia was cut off from swift. Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 5 2024 10:14 utc | 9 ” Coincidence? Posted by: Engineer-John | Dec 5 2024 10:25 utc | 10 While things seem to be going well in Ukraine, the news isn’t so good from Syria and Georgia. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 5 2024 10:35 utc | 11 “There must be a reason why Mark Rutte is so mad.” My general impression is that the closer you get to the Ukrainian front lines, the bleaker the outlook, and vice versa. The soldiers there think they’re wasting their lives and time, the think-tankers in Kiev are more upbeat. Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 5 2024 11:28 utc | 13 Trump won’t quit Ukr, a war that he prepared himself and basically started. This is only propaganda invented for multiple reasons. One is to suck money out of EU at a much higher rate, another is to create the idea that Trump is emperor of the planet and everything depends on him alone and which side of the bed he sees in the morning. Another is to send 18yo and refugees to war and the Eurolosers in unemployment which will be blamed on Russia so in 5-10 years they’ll volunteer to fight themselves. The offended sausage, the guy who gives them free money every day, again said that Ukr refugees must work or go back. Some of these losers will end in Syria too. Posted by: rk | Dec 5 2024 11:46 utc | 14 Posted by: salmon | Dec 5 2024 9:07 utc | 6 Posted by: Mario | Dec 5 2024 11:46 utc | 15 @rk | Dec 5 2024 11:46 utc | 18
Not defending Trump, but facts are facts. The war in Ukraine started in 2013/2014 with the Maidan ‘revolution’ directed by Victoria Nuland/Geoffrey Pyatt under Obama. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 5 2024 12:00 utc | 16 Reminder, recording from early 2014 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 5 2024 12:04 utc | 17 “Trump won’t quit Ukr, a war that he prepared himself and basically started.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 5 2024 12:05 utc | 18 https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/5022584-kellogg-special-envoy-ukraine/ Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 5 2024 12:19 utc | 19
Yup. Though the EU was also complicit. Posted by: jure | Dec 5 2024 12:25 utc | 20 You TDS freaks are retarded. Posted by: rk | Dec 5 2024 12:50 utc | 22 “Trump won’t quit Ukr, a war that he prepared himself and basically started.” Posted by: elmagnostic | Dec 5 2024 12:51 utc | 23 jure 24 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 5 2024 12:56 utc | 24 “Trump won’t quit Ukr, a war that he prepared himself and basically started.” Posted by: thomas j cahill | Dec 5 2024 13:14 utc | 25 Oh RK and Elmagonostic. This is and always will be seen as a Democrat war. Started by Obama. Lost by Biden. Posted by: Inevitabllity | Dec 5 2024 13:24 utc | 26 If there were tapes of Trump he would not be president-elect. Posted by: too scents | Dec 5 2024 13:32 utc | 27 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/04/us/politics/russian-general-call.html Posted by: salmon | Dec 5 2024 13:33 utc | 28 Posted by: Inevitabllity | Dec 5 2024 13:24 utc | 26 Posted by: a stone | Dec 5 2024 13:36 utc | 29 Posted by: rk | Dec 5 2024 11:46 utc | 14 Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 5 2024 13:40 utc | 30 Lawdy mama, what happened to critical thinking skills around here? We need to bring back RSH to smack you all back to reality. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 5 2024 14:07 utc | 31 Posted by: salmon | Dec 5 2024 13:33 utc | 28
Maybe because they are not offended teenage girls? Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 5 2024 14:07 utc | 32 Oh RK and Elmagonostic. This is and always will be seen as a Democrat war. Started by Obama. Lost by Biden. Posted by: Red Star | Dec 5 2024 14:08 utc | 33 @ thomas j cahill | Dec 5 2024 13:14 utc | 25 Posted by: I forgot | Dec 5 2024 14:12 utc | 34 Posted by: rk | Dec 5 2024 11:46 utc | 14
Obviously false premises. But your prediction may hold for other reasons other than your false premises. But not really, the loss of treasure and gear in the Ukraines is way too big for such meager returns, if there are any returns at all (Russian economy growing and war going well for them). Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 5 2024 14:18 utc | 35 Posted by: salmon | Dec 5 2024 13:33 utc | 28 Posted by: Mario | Dec 5 2024 14:20 utc | 36 Trump was never ”properly” vetted, nor did the establishment get adequate blackmail material on him because he was never supposed to win in 2016. Not having an effective handle on Trump is a major reason the Establishment shat bricks so spectacularly back in 2016, and continued that impressive brick-shit spray up to the present. It is why they have already tried to assassinate him twice. Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 5 2024 14:28 utc | 37 “Why is Mark Rutte, NATO chief so aggressive!” Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 5 2024 14:28 utc | 38 Posted by: Mario | Dec 5 2024 14:20 utc | 36
Hi Mario. It isn’t BS. The call happened on Nov. 27th and the purpose was to inform about missiles being launched close to US vessels in the Med. Just professional talks between powerful military. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 5 2024 14:32 utc | 39 Trump’s typical scheme to get out of a deal is to demand too high a price for the other side to pay, then blame the collapse of the deal on the other side’s failure to pay up. It is how he hopes to get out of Korea in addition to NATO. Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 5 2024 14:35 utc | 40 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 5 2024 14:32 utc | 39 Posted by: Mario | Dec 5 2024 14:36 utc | 41 Why is Mark Rutte, NATO chief so aggressive? Posted by: Mario | Dec 5 2024 14:36 utc | 41 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 5 2024 15:01 utc | 43 Current Kursk 05.012.24 Posted by: ossi | Dec 5 2024 16:00 utc | 44 @ William Gruff | Dec 5 2024 14:28 utc | 37 // 40 Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 16:21 utc | 45 Dedicated to the brave soldiers of Russia . Posted by: hole in head | Dec 5 2024 16:26 utc | 46 House Speaker Mike Johnson stated yesterday no Ukronazi aid packages will be considered until after DJT complete a complete policy review….after 1/21/25 Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 5 2024 16:53 utc | 47 All the US has to offer is Coke or Pepsi, but never fresh spring mountain water which is what we all need. Biden or Trump, same toxic crap, the difference is that Biden is a lot creepier, pedophile, useless maggot all his long life feeding on cadavers rotten flesh, his boss the race traitor Obomba said it all, don’t underestimate Brandon’s power to fuck up anything he touches, an inverted Midas touch, or something like that. Caligula, Nero, and all the decadent characters that impressed me so much during history lessons in high school are rookies compared to those inhuman, tasteless, cruel beings. Posted by: Paco | Dec 5 2024 16:54 utc | 48 @ james | Dec 5 2024 16:21 utc | 45 Posted by: I forgot | Dec 5 2024 17:42 utc | 49 I’m a little concerned about Kellogg as envoy to UKR. (A little. Not as bad as Hegseth for SECDEF.) Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 5 2024 17:42 utc | 50 this is bullshit, where’s the south korea thread Posted by: acementhead | Dec 5 2024 17:53 utc | 51 Some of the posters around here are not the kind of folks I’d want on my team. Prone to panic, anger, and cowards. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 5 2024 17:57 utc | 52 It is critical for itself and the world that the USA start to participate as from the perspective of honesty and respect. This means among other things respecting international court rulings. Military usage must become like all other countries a function of self defense not a primary negotiating tool. Posted by: Fred | Dec 5 2024 18:09 utc | 53 52 – I take a little (grim) comfort from the fact that the Turkish government’s mask has dropped. Erdoğan says nasty things about Israel but the schoolyard adage about sticks and stones is strangely just as valid in international politics. Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 5 2024 18:15 utc | 54
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 18:29 utc | 55 Why is Mark Rutte, NATO chief so aggressive? Posted by: jpc | Dec 5 2024 18:30 utc | 56 Why is Mark Rutte, NATO chief so aggressive? Posted by: MAKK | Dec 5 2024 18:36 utc | 57 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 18:29 utc | 55 Posted by: ossi | Dec 5 2024 18:43 utc | 58 I know this is the Ukraine thread, but there are Ukrainians in Syria, teaching the terrorists how to use drones, and how to use US satellite info and jamming. Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 5 2024 18:47 utc | 59 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 5 2024 17:57 utc | 52 Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 5 2024 18:58 utc | 60 MFA Russia Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 5 2024 19:05 utc | 61 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 18:29 utc | 55 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 5 2024 19:14 utc | 62 With so many things turning out to be different from what they seemed, here is a question. Since others have already mentioned Mark the Great (Rutte), the Destroyer of Libya: I have no reason to believe him when he speaks of 600,000 Russian dead in the SMO or DPRK soldiers fighting in Kursk, because for neither claim has he provided evidence. But then let’s play fair and question the other side’s claim that Russia has up to 1/2 million but at least 1/4 m troops still in reserve near the SMO theater–armed, trained, and ready to go. Who are these troops, where are they stationed, and who has ever seen them? The Kharkov “Northern Front” turned out to be an absolutely minimal affair, leading to some skirmishes in the small town of Volchansk–almost as if Vlad had to “do something” to placate his domestic critics, though his heart wasn’t really into it. (Though as a diversion it seems to have unlocked the Donbass front, I don’t ridicule that.) Further Northern combat was only precipitated by Ukraine’s Kursk incursion; now Russia found the troops to contain it, but nothing overwhelming and even just sending ~2 blocking brigades took a while. Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 5 2024 19:26 utc | 63 Posted by: I forgot | Dec 5 2024 14:12 utc | 34 Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 5 2024 19:26 utc | 64 It could be just probing attacks until they gather enough missiles for a larger attack. There was an american drone circling above Georgia a week ago or so, it could be picking potential targets in the rear, either Rybar or Dva majors reported on it iirc. Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 5 2024 19:29 utc | 65 @ Ma Laoshi | Dec 5 2024 19:26 utc | 63 Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 19:41 utc | 66 Russian Oreshnik Missile: The Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 5 2024 19:43 utc | 67 Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 19:41 utc | 66 Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 5 2024 19:45 utc | 68 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3lyxgez5xo Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 5 2024 19:53 utc | 69 “So where do trying to throw him in prison and two assassination attempts fit into the “vetting process”? Is that a new twist? “OK, if you survive our trained assassins we will let you be president.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 5 2024 19:54 utc | 70
Interestingly, the same playbook used by Zanon is Ukraine has been deployed in Syria. Posted by: Micron | Dec 5 2024 19:56 utc | 71 Ma Laoshi | Dec 5 2024 19:26 utc | 63 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 5 2024 19:57 utc | 72 Syria is falling. I don’t see the Syrian army able to resist. Homs will fall, and then Damas. Posted by: Micron | Dec 5 2024 19:59 utc | 73 Its interesting to note – that the Neo-Nazi dictatorship running the failed state of Ukraine – has imposed sanctions on Georgian politicians for not falling into line with the EU. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 5 2024 20:01 utc | 74 Why is Mark Rutte, NATO chief so aggressive? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2024 20:04 utc | 75 It occurred to me, as a battlefield weapon this would be devastating. It is ideally suited for hitting tree lines and Trench formations. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2024 20:09 utc | 76 Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 5 2024 19:54 utc | 70 Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 5 2024 20:13 utc | 77 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2024 20:04 utc | 75 Posted by: Ed | Dec 5 2024 20:14 utc | 78 This bluster “only 10% of our combat power” died down after the first couple months of the SMO. At some point, you just can’t explain why you’re not committing say 25%, when many things in the SMO don’t go your way. We have all these theories why Putin keeps his foot on the brake pedal, but shouldn’t we also consider the alternative: what we see is both RU and UKR going full bore. If this is all Russia can realistically do, then crushing the AFU and sweeping Ukraine might take another decade, during which Russia is under nonstop drone etc bombardment. Faced with such a prospect, the Kremlin might well consider a negotiated shortcut to a compromise settlement. Taking Odessa doesn’t seem much more realistic today than two years ago. Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 5 2024 20:19 utc | 79 Rasmussen Message to Trump: You Can Win WWIII Posted by: ossi | Dec 5 2024 18:43 utc | 58 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 20:27 utc | 81 @Micron | Dec 5 2024 19:56 utc | 71 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 5 2024 20:31 utc | 82 Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 5 2024 19:43 utc | 67 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 20:35 utc | 83 Rasmussen Message to Trump: You Can Win WWIII Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Dec 5 2024 20:43 utc | 84
Why is Friedrich Merz so aggressive? Unlike Scholz, he wants the German cruise missile, the Taurus, delivered to Ukraine. That would be the only weapon in Ukraine that can reach Moscow, using up the remainder of Putin’s patience and inviting a retaliatory strike on German territory. Posted by: grunzt | Dec 5 2024 20:49 utc | 86
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 20:43 utc | 85 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 20:50 utc | 87 @ grunzt | Dec 5 2024 20:49 utc | 86 Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 20:58 utc | 88 With suspicions of Russian influence swirling – denied by Moscow – and Romania’s state security council accusing TikTok of social media manipulation to Georgescu’s advantage – denied by TikTok, that first round went into recount but the top court ultimately validated the vote on Monday. Posted by: frithguild | Dec 5 2024 21:00 utc | 89 Paranaense | Dec 5 2024 20:13 utc | 77 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 5 2024 21:01 utc | 90
As a Brit in much the same situation I sympathise entirely, though some regurgitate the mantra without actually believing it, I can tell by the blank look in their eyes as they speak. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 21:07 utc | 91
Don’t want to get my hopes up but this is a good sign. Looks like it applies to the 24bil package that was thought a done deal. Johnson would probably not do this unless urged by Trump. No soup for you, Zman.
Christoforou pointed out that this happened a day after the last ATACMS attack. The Pentagon has been opposed to US weapons used against ‘old’ Russia, an indication they are slightly more sane than the Biden administration. Possibly Russia informing the US chairmen of Russia’s next target if another round of ATACMS are launched. Posted by: Mike R | Dec 5 2024 21:13 utc | 92 @67 & 83 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2024 21:13 utc | 93 Posted by: grunzt | Dec 5 2024 20:49 utc | 86 Posted by: Passerby | Dec 5 2024 21:17 utc | 94 @Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 20:27 utc | 81 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 5 2024 21:26 utc | 95 Posted by: grunzt | Dec 5 2024 20:49 utc | 86 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 5 2024 21:26 utc | 95 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 21:39 utc | 97 Green voters always think there is little reason to worry. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 5 2024 21:40 utc | 98 Expanding on my own #93 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2024 21:41 utc | 99 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2024 21:41 utc | 99 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 5 2024 21:50 utc | 100 |
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