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December 1, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-288
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James M:
Do your own analysis and come up with a comparable you like. Contribute some actual content, not just low-level commenting. Maybe you can show they are doing better than the snail, now.
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 4 2024 5:13 utc | 301
Do your own analysis and come up with a comparable you like. Contribute some actual content, not just low-level commenting. Maybe you can show they are doing better than the snail, now.
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 4 2024 5:13 utc | 309
I’m not the one talking about the ” slow pace” of the Russians. You are, in fact you’re the only one. So why should I care about the pace. Give me a reason to, but you don’t, so no one here cares about your low-level comments. I’ll go back to blocking you after this next bit. I was just curious what your (non) response would be to psycho’s post.
Wars end when they end, and not before. You’ve bragged before about your military service in (I assume) Afghanistan and Iraq. But those wars never ended, not until the US left. Despite the quick pace and shock and awe, America lost those wars, because they couldn’t handle the insurgencies that followed.
Russia’s pace is “slow” but for good reason. I guarantee you, when this war is over Russia will not face an insurgency the way America faced ones in the Middle East. Also, the territory Russia is taking with this “slow pace” will be Russian for the rest of your natural-born life. Chew on that next time you drop a map.
Back to blocking.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 5:24 utc | 302
@ James M. | Dec 4 2024 5:07 utc | 308
They’ve been saying “advance is slow” back when said advance was literally multiple times slower than it is now. They never changed their arguments. They never were a genuine actor.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 4 2024 5:24 utc | 303
@Not-a-troll | Wed, 04 Dec 2024 05:31:00 GMT | 312
You got a problem with that?
Calm down dude. Take a deep breath, and try to relax. I know your posts are really, really important, but some people do have to work for a living and don’t have the time necessary to contemplate and process your deep thoughts processed at a 43443-D level. So my apologies. Next time, I will take a long, long time and re-read over and over again your most magnificent posts, the most perfect posts ever, before I deign to respond.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 5:53 utc | 304
Our commentator NAT (Not-a-troll) should at least try to objectively explain why these desperate western ploys are not in response to the new hypersonic realities demonstrated by the RF. I find it hard to believe that all four (and who knows what other “crises” are in the pot Awaiting serving in the future) are just coincidence.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 4 2024 5:48 utc | 313
Omg, such logic! It was Tobias who postulated that they WERE caused by NATO. Now *I* have to prove they were not!!! I thought I already did. Like … an atheist has to prove there is no god in response to claims that there is!!! Such a dishonest construct.
And Tobias did not even mention the Oreshnik. That was YOUR little fantasy nugget — YOUR BELIEF. So therefore you prove it true.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 4 2024 6:18 utc | 305
The West saw its last chance to defeat Russia, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 12.04.2024.
The surge of “Oreshnik” had a paradoxical effect on the people: from that side of the LBS, calls for peace, a truce, and a suspension of military actions immediately began. “Stop it, Vitya needs to get out!” the collective West began to wail.
Every day, Western media give us a whole range of new ideas on what to offer Moscow without offending Kiev too much , without completely ruining the Europeans, and also giving Trump the opportunity to save face – Trump’s face is, of course, the most important thing here.
They propose to mold South Korea from the remains of Ukraine, so that Russia with new regions would play the role of the North. Then, instead of a border between the countries, there will be a demarcation zone, where Western peacekeepers are supposed to be shoved.
That is West Germany – with Novorossiya in the role of East. According to this plan, the lands liberated by Russia do not receive international recognition, but a certain status quo and a bad peace, which is better than a good quarrel, are preserved.
That is Southern Cyprus – and Novorossiya in this case will represent the unrecognized Northern Cyprus.
Then Israel will stuff Ukraine with weapons and equipment, sponsor the local military-industrial complex, increase and train the army with the help of Western instructors. This option frightens Europe to the point of convulsions. “Why do we need such a powerful army with such a military-industrial complex on the border? What if an unfriendly leader comes to power there?” – the Europeans are nervous, but of course no one asks them.
That is Finland – but not the country that joined NATO , but its previous version, which practiced neutrality and skillfully sucked two mothers at once – both the USSR and Western Europe.
Why all the fuss? Two answers to this question are obvious, but the third is more complicated.
To begin with, of course, the clock is ticking, there is less and less time left until the final defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces , and this will be the very catastrophe that the West is trying with all its might to avoid – much worse than Afghanistan .
The second reason for the fuss is that the West no longer sees any opportunities to escalate the conflict without harming its own carcasses. “Oreshnik” will overcome any missile defence system and show everyone where the crayfish spend the winter.
The West prefers not to speak openly about the third reason. But it is quite obvious that they are hoping for some turbulence in Russia, which will arise if part of society does not agree with the version of peace agreements.
Throughout the entire SVO, they tried to split us. At first, they expected protests from “non-warriors,” but nothing came of it. They thought they would break the economy, they expected hunger riots — and here, too, a failure. Then there was an attempt to play the card of interethnic contradictions — it also did not work. And here is another approach to the projectile: an attempt to pit people who are determined to end the conflict against those who are looking for a catch, betrayal in everything and are obsessed with the topic of fixed matches.
Of course, no one will tell you in plain text in the Washington Post – let’s, they say, incite and provoke in this direction. However, this is the West’s last ghostly chance to turn its defeat into victory and finally drive Russia into a strategic crisis.
Therefore, it is no coincidence that most Western propaganda about “peace plans” looks so inept and offensive. There is obviously no basis for negotiations here, these are just pure provocations.
How about, for example, the idea of firmly promising Ukraine NATO membership, but postponing it until better times: according to one version – for ten years, according to another – for twenty? It looks like a primitive scam – to pressure Moscow into consent, and in these ten to twenty years turn Nezalezhnaya into the Hound of the Baskervilles on steroids and at the right moment let it off the leash.
Or here is something fresh and wonderful from Foreign Affairs : to send European armed forces to Ukraine as “peacekeepers” in order to “ensure the security” of the Kiev regime outside the framework of NATO.
That is, Moscow is told: no, no, Ukraine is not in NATO, everything is as you wanted, but in fact, Western infantrymen, artillerymen, pilots, and missilemen are officially clustered on Ukrainian territory. Who is this primitive deception aimed at? The point is not what the armed contingents in Ukraine are called, but that Moscow demands its complete disarmament.
All this nonsense is being thrown into the information field precisely so that all of us here in Russia would quarrel to the point of complete destruction in earnest. We also need to be prepared for the fact that even the most advantageous agreement for Moscow, if we accept it, will immediately be called our “defeat” in the West, the topic will be picked up by the Centre for Social Security and Couch Warriors, and the armchair warriors will start writing about it on social networks. It would be good if these online scandals do not later spill over into reality.
The recipe here is very simple: keep cool and filter the information. After all, we have already survived so many information attacks and successfully dealt with them all.
It probably wouldn’t be worth talking about this, but a hundred years ago our ancestors managed to lose the practically won First World War, and at the same time destroy the country, mired in mutual accusations and the search for traitors.
Both the Tsar and the Tsarina were accused of betraying national interests. You can feel whatever you like about the Romanov family, but both Alexandra Feodorovna , despite her German origin, and her husband were sincere patriots of Russia. From today’s perspective, it seems incredible to destroy a gigantic empire because of some ridiculous rumors and fakes.
The hope for a crisis in Russia after the end of the Second World War is the last ghostly chance of our enemies to win. Let’s not leave them a chance.
Posted by: guest | Dec 4 2024 6:45 utc | 306
@Not-a-troll | Wed, 04 Dec 2024 06:28:00 GMT | 316
So PLEEEEASE block me. Your responses are too trivial to take seriously.
Never said I’d block you, just making fun of a pretentious asshole. Psst I have a news flash for you: nothing you write here matters to anyone, anywhere ever. But please carry on like you’re important, even though, sorry dear, you just aren’t. And that’s what amuses me.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 7:32 utc | 307
nothing you write here matters to anyone, anywhere ever.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 7:32 utc | 319
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The MoA website has about 1 million backlinks. That is significant reach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backlink
Posted by: too scents | Dec 4 2024 7:44 utc | 308
The 4 incidents quoted above have nothing to do with (the Oreshnik attack).
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 4 2024 4:08 utc | 303
I would think that was obvious and clear as day. None of those things were organised in a week. They’re pretty much ongoing affairs on their own timelines.
As for the Oreshnik, I hope it eventuates that that was a Hiroshima moment.
A truly transformative, shocking event that forces humanity to confront harsh realities and prompts significant change. Being Russia can strike hard all over Europe and the US with an unstoppable missile system that is non-Nuclear but devastating – it’s a big technological game changing addition to their hypersonic weapons.
I pray Putin uses them with great abandon!
Posted by: Michael | Dec 4 2024 9:31 utc | 309
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 4 2024 8:14 utc | 322
Ah, thanks for that info. That explains the anger. Will try to ignore him from now on.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 9:50 utc | 310
I can smell betrayal by the Kremlin…very, very alarming.
https://youtu.be/7p5E9qJfI3g?si=id2n3Rgu9lfDlNdO
Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 4 2024 1:13 utc | 297
I have no doubts, some oligarchs would like to betray Russia a.s.a.p
Posted by: salmon | Dec 4 2024 10:01 utc | 311
I can smell betrayal by the Kremlin…very, very alarming.
https://youtu.be/7p5E9qJfI3g?si=id2n3Rgu9lfDlNdO
Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 4 2024 1:13 utc | 297
I have no doubts, some oligarchs would like to betray Russia a.s.a.p
Posted by: salmon | Dec 4 2024 10:07 utc | 312
Avtonom, salmon
“Short answer: Yes. Russia is winning. Steadily.
But the US can’t take that …”
The USA and vassals are in actual comical denial of both their military defeat in Ukraine and their economic defeat, primarily to China, on the world stage.
Trump’s bluster is a sign of this, including suicidal talk of tariffs.
Soon the US and vassals will be reduced to the role of a homeless drunk endlessly cursing in rage on the streets having lost all mental equilibrium.
Confronted by circumstances they can’t cope with, leading to mental breakdown.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 4 2024 10:09 utc | 313
@ Barrel Brown | Dec 4 2024 10:20 utc | 330
Apologies for butting in, but while it is likely the best way, as you said, calling them out every now and again and watching their self-importance boil over is simply entertaining. Especially as threads naturally die down, like right about now. Gotta take fun when one can.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 4 2024 10:27 utc | 314
According to a Russian TG OSINT channel, Russia has for the first time used their own sea drone to strike Odessa port. https://t.me/geran231/3633
Posted by: boneless | Dec 4 2024 10:52 utc | 315
What do barflies make of Ted Postol’s analysis of Oreshnik (on Daniel Davis’s Deep Dive channel). He makes it sound like much less dangerous unless nuclear-tipped.
https://youtu.be/baAIgkwhCDc?feature=shared
Posted by: Rahul | Dec 4 2024 11:00 utc | 316
Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 15:22 utc | 155 and others
Per Susan Singer today:
RF MOD reports that, over the last 24 hours, Kiev lost 7270+ personnel, four M113 armored personnel carriers, one Polish-made Krab, two 152-mm Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems, five U.S.-made 105-mm M119, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777, three U.S.-made 155-mm M198, three UK-made 155-mm FH-70, eight 152-mm D-20, three 152-mm Msta-B, thirteen 122-mm D-30 howitzers and three HIMARS MLRS launchers.
Air defenses shot down one U.S.-made HIMARS MLRS projectile, two Neptun guided missiles and 240 fixed-wing unmanned aerial vehicles.
“>https://www.patreon.com/posts/ukraine-december-117146981
are you all too lazy to check such claims in the original ???
The last time that “RF MOD” reported the destruction of HIMARS or MLRS launchers was on 29.11.2024
https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12539477@egNews
Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 4 2024 11:05 utc | 317
@ Barrel Brown | Dec 4 2024 5:48 utc | 313
If I’m reading you right, you are suggesting that the Russian missile strike has emboldened Western belligerence, citing examples of ostensibly anti-Russian actions. But your argument is this is a positive outcome for Russia?
Posted by: robin | Dec 4 2024 12:47 utc | 318
“realistically, it would take years to mass-produce the Oreshnik given the bureaucratic inefficiencies and lagging innovation that plague Russia’s defence industries”
Typical comment of denial on UK press duh…many more to laugh at in Daily Mail…well their delusions may be cut short…no evidence of damage…great looking light show but nothing else…opinions from Moscow Times etcsuch as
“now reports that four Russian officials say the Oreshnik threat to Ukraine and the West was an ‘orchestrated show’ by the Putin regime – and that the weapon’s imminent use to unleash major damage is almost impossible.
‘There were brainstorming sessions on how to respond and how to put the Americans and the British in their place for allowing Zelensky to use long-range weapons [against Putin territory],’ said one Russian source, according to the report.”
Meanwhile “rRussian warship has fired at a German helicopter over the Baltic Sea- sparking new WW3 escalation fears, it has been reported.
The crew of the Russian ship fired signal ammunition at the helicopter that was on a reconnaissance mission, the German Press Agency in Brussels has learned.
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock mentioned the incident at a NATO meeting but did not give further details.
A German defence ministry spokesperson has so far been unable to confirm these reports. ”
Posted by: Jo | Dec 4 2024 13:27 utc | 319
According to Weeb Union, the battle for Pokrovsk has begun.
That means the Metinvest plant owned by oligarchs has only two future scenarios:
1. Complete destruction with FABs, artillery as happened to the Avostal steel plant in Mariupol.
2. It gets evacuated and taken whole by Russia.
My guess is Zelensky goes for door number 1. Question for barflies – has this plant been pledged in any way to Blackrock?
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 4 2024 14:00 utc | 320
The Germans, and European Nato members – looking for an excuse to send a hundred thousand troops to Ukraine in the form of peace keepers.
Baerbock is a younger version von der Leyen – enough said.
“Berlin will not rule out sending its troops to Ukraine to secure a ceasefire if a deal is reached between Moscow and Kiev, German media reported on Tuesday, citing Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock.
According to Die Welt, during a NATO ministerial meeting in Brussels on Tuesday, Baerbock declared that Germany is willing to back any initiative promoting lasting peace
Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service has reported that Western nations are planning to deploy as many as 100,000 “so-called peacekeepers” to Ukraine. The agency has warned that such a large force would amount to an occupation and effectively give Kiev time to rebuild its army before renewing hostilities with Russia.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 4 2024 14:36 utc | 321
“Ukraine must become a nuclear power to protect itself, regardless of the consequences.” -Aleksey Goncharenko
https://www.rt.com/russia/608633-ukrainian-mp-nuclear-bomb/
“NATO is a good thing. But NATO will not defend us. Nuclear weapons would,” Goncharenko wrote on social media. “So we should disregard everything and everyone – including the consequences – and make the bomb. That’ll fix everything. Also, we need more meat for the grinder, or else the gravy train stops.”
Posted by: Featherless | Dec 4 2024 14:39 utc | 322
Posted by: Jo | Dec 4 2024 13:27 utc | 337
“realistically, it would take years to mass-produce the Oreshnik given the bureaucratic inefficiencies and lagging innovation that plague Russia’s defence industries”
The initial reports of the Oreshnik said it isn’t a new missile but a reconfiguration of an existing IRBM. If Russia has a good number of these IRBMs it shouldn’t be too hard to repurpose them for a new application. That should be much quicker and easier than starting from scratch, no?
Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 4 2024 15:24 utc | 323
Posted by: Rahul | Dec 4 2024 11:00 utc | 334
The site of the oreshnik strike is fully locked down and no one has said what they found underground except “everything was turned to dust” which doesn’t really tell you much.
They’re keeping it locked down for some reason and if this missile was a fizzle they you’d think they’d be lots of pictures of the lack of damage done to the facility instead of investigating for weeks and treating it like a top secret UFO site.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 4 2024 15:32 utc | 324
Pro Ru should understand Ukraine didn’t go into this war to win it. Only Russia who talks about winning the war.
Ukraine is only doing as much damage to Russia that this war will not be sustainable for the future.
Make it clear that Ukraine is not after Russian land or any territory inside Russia.
Russia started this war. Ukraine has been defending for 3 years in Putlers 3 day war that is about to be 11 years now. Russia hasn’t made any territorial gains that can not be taken back once the Russian military is weak after 3 years of fighting with depleted weapons and armor.
The bear 🐻 will fall it’s just how big the fall will be.
Let’s make one thing sure that whatever Russia does, its economy is finished beyond repair.
If Russia leaves all occupied territory, then maybe they have a chance of recovery. With loosened sanctions.
Russian government is selling all they have increasing the spending to lowering the Ruble for propaganda purposes the currency is dead they need $£€ that they are not getting only Yuan and Indian rubies.
It’s like you take all your savings and buy a currency that is burning 🔥 your burning your money faster than anything.
Posted by: Firm Shame | Dec 4 2024 15:36 utc | 325
Posted by: Firm Shame | Dec 4 2024 15:36 utc | 343
wrong.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 4 2024 15:53 utc | 326
@Firm Shame
You have a firm grasp of the US “news” and your writing is neat, and you do paragraphs properly 👍
Posted by: Featherless | Dec 4 2024 15:54 utc | 327
Firm Shame // 343
Hey, hey, Firm Share, I want to play stupid, too. Can I? Can I? It looks so fun!
Here’s my try: “If Putin is so smart, then why didn’t Spartak Moscow win the Stanley Cup last year? Boom! USA wins! USA! USA! USA!”
Anyway, why do losers write such pathetic nonsense here? Is it mindless AI crap, or is someone actually getting paid for the disinformation? My bet is it’s AI. It has that veneer of making sense, but once you begin to think about, it’s sheer time wasting crap. It’s gotten to the point I laugh at it, regardless of whether it’s AI or some pathetic loser getting paid a penny a word.
Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 4 2024 16:51 utc | 328
@ Nobody Special | Dec 4 2024 16:51 utc | 346
good response.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Dec 4 2024 17:04 utc | 329
Posted by: Firm Shame | Dec 4 2024 15:36 utc | 343
RF do not need western currencies, and they can have plenty of them.
They sell gas, oil, uranium, fertilizers and other things and can ask any currency they want.
They do not need to buy that much.
You are thinking RF is the same rotten state USA are, needing to buy quite everything abroad.
Posted by: Mario | Dec 4 2024 17:50 utc | 330
Apparently the deep state under Biden & their corporate news is totally freaking out. The traitors want the people to be hopeless, pessimistic & unaware of their insane behavior. They are very emotional Too few know that above the emotional planes are the mental planes.
For any who don’t know: Tucker Carlson reported yesterday, that after trying in vain to interview with Zelensky (U.S. won’t let him, but said he can talk to CNN anytime)… the
News Flash: Tucker Carlson went to Moscow & has interviewed the great, infallible, impeccable Sergey Lavrov— the recording is being processed & will soon be shared.
Carlson pointed out that the Biden regime has escalated their mad campaign against Russia/ used the US military to launch missiles into Russia that have killed at least a dozen Russians. So we’re in a hot war with Russia & MUCH CLOSER to a NUCLEAR WAR THAN EVER BEFORE — a war that would probably kill all of us. For what?! There are no open channels between the US & Russia and haven’t been for 2+ years thanks to Mr. Blinken & those who pull his strings!
Two of the best YT channels for geopolitical news junkies ever: Judging Freedom & Dialogue Works. The hosts routinely interview honest, former government intelligence & military officials who stand for diplomacy & truth. They do not support endless wars & big lies.
Cicero gave allot of good advice:
–Let the welfare of the people be the ultimate law.
–To be ignorant of the past is to be forever a child.
–The distinguishing property of man is to search for & to follow after Truth.
–Above all, the search after Truth & its eager pursuit are peculiar to man…. when we have leisure from the demands of business cares, we are eager to see, to hear, to learn something new, & we esteem a desire to know.
–But still anger ought be far from us, for nothing is able to be done rightly nor judiciously with anger.
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Improve the brain, cleanse the ears, bathe the lips. Else you will be the witnesses of your own madness. -TheWorldTeacher
Posted by: WillSeymour | Dec 4 2024 18:55 utc | 331
Yup, seems to a a rash of AI or trolls lately. Somebody wants this forum to rot from within.
It fits the pattern of somehow co-opting anything of value that doesn’t toe the official line.
Not sure how to fix it but easy enough to see the pattern at work
Posted by: second salvo | Dec 4 2024 19:01 utc | 332
The imperialistic forces of yesterday are freaking out… terrified of inevitable change, justice, & transparent government. Their resistance, while understandable, is 100% futile.
Important Information most westerners are unaware of! Small excerpt from a larger excerpt posted last night that was buried in snow…
“How about the US officials who thought up the brilliant plan to turn the Ukraine into an anti-Russia & to use the poor unwitting Ukrainians as cannon fodder to throw at Russia in a failed attempt to fatally weaken or, ideally, to destroy it?…
It is important to understand the mindset of the average hard-working Putin supporters who made Russia great again.
On Russian TV, talk shows discussing the use of nuclear weapons to destroy America have become noticeably more popular of late.
Destroying America, experts tell the viewers, is just not that hard. All you have to do is take out four major seaports using relatively tiny tactical nukes… & then just wait a month or two. Since the US no longer makes even half of what it needs to survive, including food, it wouldn’t persist too long after that. That is, it will still exist, as many truly miserable countries do, but not as a country for Russia, or the rest of the world, to worry about, or so these experts assure the audience. But there is still some unease about the danger of starting a big bad nuclear war.
Other experts are happy to report that the US is on its last legs in any case & a combination of factors, some financial, some physical, will deal it a coup de grace soon enough without having to risk starting a big bad nuclear war…
The first task is for Russia to win on the battlefield — then will come the punishment. War crimes have no jurisdictional boundaries & no statutes of limitations. Each war crime has a name, a rank & a serial number.
-Dmitry Orlov’: “War & Punishment” 6/20/24
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We sent a message to our government: if you knowingly supply weapons to a government whose leader is wanted for war crimes, the long arm of international law will extend to you too. -Jeremy Corbyn (a few days ago)
PS: Note To Biden’s soon 2B unemployed drones: If U don’t get locked up, don’t worry! McDonalds & Walmarts R always hiring! New openings in house cleaning, lawn care & car washes are coming soon too! You’ll be ok! Leaking is good for both your country & your Karma!
Posted by: WillSeymour | Dec 4 2024 19:03 utc | 333
Sweden and Finland Want Citizens To Be Prepared For War. Should Canada Do The Same?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/sweden-and-finland-want-citizens-to-be-prepared-for-war-should-canada-do-the-same-1.7133403
“As Russia’s invasion of Ukraine approaches its third year, nearby countries like Sweden and Finland are preparing their citizens to survive during a military conflict. Should Canada do the same?
NATO agitprop for headline scanners who will likely miss the final line:
“The eventuality that a NATO country would be attacked by Russia in the current context is extremely remote.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2024 19:21 utc | 334
We really know but I wonder that oreshenik strike proved concept for the more advanced weapons too. In particular the claims true or false that the plasma surrounding hypersonic missiles/glide vehicles absorbs radar. While the speed alone makes these weapons hard to intercept plasma characteristics may well be different at mach 10 rather than mach 4. If the Oreshnik was invisible to radar than most probably Avengaard will be too. Additionally the difficulty of intercepting missiles/glide vehicles that are utilizing low/mid trajectories with systems designed for traditional ICBM trajectories is proven. Let alone one with maneuvering capability in final stage. If my guess is correct Oreshnik was not just a unveiling a previously unseen weapon system but a demonstration and proof of concept for the entire class of strategic deterrents. The Iranian attacks the same to a lessor degree.
While USA has dominated stealth technology in aircraft if plasma creates stealth a new method of stealth has just arrived that is not applicable to aircraft does not need compromising other design features doesnt use exotic materials and is a function of basic physical principles. If true this class of strategic deterrents can no longer be dismissed as science fiction or false claims. This was true just of the speed of these weapons now add not just limited stealth OF the F35 but totaL stealth as a physics byproduct of the speed. hell of a prize in the crackerjack box but most probably the Russians understood these characteristics early on. Russian science understanding of physics is unique and tends toward the practical side.
Understanding of the superiority of this new class of weapons can no longer be rejected. It is said that everything was on the table when Russia asked for the meeting to discuss security concerns prior to the Ukraine invasion including mothballing hypersonic programs. A invitation that the USA ghosted. Mothballing hypersonics would have been a incredible win for the West. Yet another incredible self sabotage by the west about to reach another landmark in stupidity with 50% tarrifs on China. Yet another disastrous self sabotage as Russia and China stare with dropped jaw at the stupidity and self destruction borne of exceptionalism.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 4 2024 19:23 utc | 335
Judge Nap: Col Douglas Macregor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Xvo4Jf_lw
“Can Biden extend the war in Ukraine?”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2024 19:32 utc | 336
there’s a bunch of reports about a Russian ship (originally reported as a Russian oil tanker, but now reported as a Russian warship) fired a flare at a German Helicopter, does anyone have more information?
Posted by: Kadath | Dec 4 2024 19:34 utc | 337
Col Douglas Macgregor (corrected)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4xuo4Jf_lw
“Can Biden extend the war in Ukraine?”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2024 19:35 utc | 338
Judge Nap: Douglas Macregor (final)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Xuo4Jf_lw
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2024 19:39 utc | 339
The Concern Trolling regarding this topic isn’t exactly surprising, but the reality is that this isn’t remotely as controversial as many are suggesting.
Politics is politics. Zelensky’s biggest fan isn’t making outrageous demands out of the blue, every country in the last two centuries in far, many in more dire situation than Ukraine is in now, made the decision to conscript who was needed, especially when suffering from chronic and catastrophic manpower shortages. If the Ukrainian govt is still not willing to concede anything, then they need to make the difficult decisions to continue fighting. They need manpower, they have a vast untapped source left, they need to tap into it, regardless of whatever other aid they get.
Those crying about demographics need to get a grip. France lost 1/4 of its male population aged 18-30 in WW1; not wounded, not crippled, but dead. After WW2, the Soviet Union had 6 men for every 10 women, creating a whole generation of spinsters who couldn’t even find husbands. War sucks, you do what you need to do to win.
Besides, Zelensky is perfected fine recruiting Ukrainian 18-24 year old men in large quantities, he’s just unwilling politically now to mobilize them. This discussion has nothing to do with demographic problems, its about political risk aversion. Zelensky wants to push the world to the brink of WW3, is having the narrative pushed that WW3 already started, and yet he’s not even willing to conscript the prime military aged male population, despite demanding reforms to find ways of recruiting more of them…
Posted by: Duncan M | Dec 4 2024 20:11 utc | 340
Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 5:07 utc | 308
I agree. Discussions of Russia’s advance is tedious.
If an army is fixed to one point without moving but kills whatever enemy forces attack it, is it being ineffective? Of course not. A thousand men defending an area is not the same entity as ten-thousand men defending the same area. For Russia, the cost/risk of eventual advance/takeover increases daily.
Posted by: horseguards | Dec 4 2024 20:16 utc | 341
Notable how the brouhaha in Syria and now South Korea seems to have stopped people asking awkward questions about Yuzhmash and Oreshnik…
Or has it?
Please mister, could I have some nice pretty pictures of a minimally damaged, largely intact Yuzhmash factory complex? I promise I won’t share them with anyone else…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 20:26 utc | 342
Posted by: horseguards | Dec 4 2024 20:16 utc | 359
It’s going exactly the other way around.
Is the defender army that is taking more losses and the more losses they take the less they will be able to defend, and I cour in even more losses.
Posted by: Mario | Dec 4 2024 20:30 utc | 343
Posted by: WillSeymour | Dec 4 2024 18:55 utc | 349
The psycho- and sociopath in the room is not Biden (Alzheimer, Parkinson), but Blinken. Definitively.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2024 20:46 utc | 344
OK, let’s try a different approach to trying to find images/videos of post-Oreshnik Yuzhmash…
Let’s apply Rule 34: if it exists, there will be a pr0nz version somewhere
So, searching onlyfans.com/yuzhmash/ for example doesn’t return anything; therefore it no longer exists…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 20:49 utc | 345
Russia started this war.
Posted by: Firm Shame | Dec 4 2024 15:36 utc | 343
Fuck off stupid liar! And stupid troll.
The war started in 2014.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2024 20:52 utc | 346
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 20:49 utc | 363
Where are the satellite photos? Nowhere. Except fake photos in british lying merdias.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2024 20:53 utc | 347
Dima’s latest headline:
The defense of Velyka Novasilka has collapsed!
That’s a damn shame …
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 4 2024 21:09 utc | 348
Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2024 20:53 utc | 365
Yes, something very, very big happened that is being kept hushed up.
For a few days afterwards even the troll activity here in the bar slowed down, as if they were in a state of shock. One or two have made some faltering, spluttering efforts at refutation/downplaying the event.
They weren’t the ones hearing 3 Chinook helicopters flying past their house in less than hour, something never witnessed even during the build-up to various military events in the past.
Oreshnik has unsettled a lot of preconceptions and plans.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 21:09 utc | 349
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 21:09 utc | 367
One thing is for certain – the deep state/CIA/NSA know exactly what the scope of the damage is, down to the last piece of rubble. That they’ve been successful in keeping away “lookie-loos” from the site is actually pretty impressive. Some partisans could probably fly a drone over the site, but they may be using EW to suppress it.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 4 2024 21:23 utc | 350
Make it clear that Ukraine is not after Russian land or any territory inside Russia.
Posted by: Firm Shame | Dec 4 2024 15:36 utc | 343
1) (minor point) what is Ukraine doing in Kursk then?
2) Even if Ukraine might not be “after Russian land”, Western elites definitely are. They don’t necessarily want to officially own it, but they absolutely do want the resources. And they are not even hiding their intentions anymore. This is a rerun of Operation Barbarossa, only in slow motion, but much better prepared.
3) Most of the territory of modern Ukraine is in fact Russian land. How many “Ukrainians” were in Odessa traditionally? Practically zero.
Post-Maidan Ukraine is colonial project of Galician Banderites trying to ethnically cleanse the rest of the country of its Russian people and identity.
You want a Ukrainian state? Have at it. In the Lvov-IvanoFrankovsk-Ternopol triangle. The rest is historic Russian land. Stay out of it.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 4 2024 21:30 utc | 351
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 21:09 utc | 367
I maybe wrong but it appears that after oreshnik there were no more attacks in ‘deep’ RF territory.
Not shure if there is a relation or UAF simply got out of atacms/s alps or is eventually saving them for the rumored next offensive.
Time will tell.
Posted by: Mario | Dec 4 2024 21:34 utc | 352
Otto von Bismarck was once asked,”What is the best defensive position for an Army?”. His response,”One that is so offensive in its deposition and character, the enemy cannot help but attack it”.
So who is attacking who, in this Russian/Ukranian struggle?
Does anyone know for certain what the actual Russian losses are?
Posted by: Jerr | Dec 4 2024 21:39 utc | 353
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 4 2024 21:23 utc | 368
Oh absolutely, though whether partisans would risk approaching such a highly locked down and cordoned area is open to question.
One thing for certain, Russia already has data and imagery from the Oreshnik deployment, the Western authorities know this and (apart from some half-hearted attempts in the British media) dare not try to to mount a concerted refutation, because they know that Russia can release the real McCoy.
The narrative must be managed, particularly during peak consumer season; mustn’t unsettle the sheeple, or they might stop taking out credit to spend.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 21:47 utc | 354
I maybe wrong but it appears that after oreshnik there were no more attacks in ‘deep’ RF territory.
Posted by: Mario | Dec 4 2024 21:34 utc | 370
I believe there was a brief flurry of inconsequential launches the day after Oreshnik, but then the lights went out across Ukraine and still haven’t been fixed, with outages from 0600 to 2200hrs on a daily basis.
But yeah, the frequency and tempo seems to have dropped away; ANON2022 must be grinding and gnashing his teeth…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 21:56 utc | 355
Hello folks, don’t be so euphoric about the effect of Orechnik. Prof. Ted Postol from MIT explains the new weapon very well.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 4 2024 22:07 utc | 356
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 4 2024 22:07 utc | 374
Don’t suppose you have a link to Postil discussing hypersonic technology with Jean-Pierre Petit?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 22:12 utc | 357
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 22:12 utc | 375
I believe they are talking about the video from yesterday with Daniel Davis and Theodore Postol. Postol says that if they were indeed just rods, with no warheads, then they were the equivalent of about 100 lbs of TNT (might have said kilos, can’t remember), but a relatively small explosive device.
However, he also says there is no real photographic evidence of the site, and talks of a flash he sees in the video that could be a secondary explosion from something within the Yuzhmash plant.
He’s basically saying this was a show of speed, not force, as far as he can tell (he never actually uses those words, that’s my summation), but that with a nuclear warhead, the situation would be much different.
Finally, he asks that anyone with photos of the damage to please send them to him, a call worth repeating here, I suppose
Posted by: Caveman | Dec 4 2024 22:27 utc | 358
Finally, he asks that anyone with photos of the damage to please send them to him, a call worth repeating here, I suppose
Posted by: Caveman | Dec 4 2024 22:27 utc | 376
And in that lies the crux of the matter. Postol is as much in the dark as the rest of us.
Though I’d add that his analysis has an approach redolent of US supremacism. The Russians (for that matter the Chinese and the Iranians) can’t possibly have researched and developed branches of physics that the US has ignored/underfunded, can they?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 22:52 utc | 359
Michael also implied that Putin should use Orishnik with “great abandon”. I do not agree with this, since such a potent new system should be used very selectively, and only to the extent that adequate supply is available.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 4 2024 23:13 utc | 379
Agree with your disagreement, it should only be used on relevant targets. I saw some commentary (might have been at Smoothies) that Oreshnik could be used against targets such as carrier battle groups. That would be overkill; Onyx, Zircon and Kinzhal are more than sufficient for those.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 23:43 utc | 360
@Kadath
As far as I know the Russian ship was a tanker (one needs to read the German desinformation media carefully to find such important things nearly at the end of the “news”).
A German military helicopter seems to have flown rather near/over it and the sailors finally shot some (non military) signal ammunition then.
The aim of the military action was “watching/controlling breaches of sanctions” and additionally “improving security for infrastructure like cables”
Some of the comments to this article (in German) are rather funny, like “Oh? Do we really have a helicopter left?!”:
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article254763860/Vorfall-in-der-Ostsee-Russische-Schiffsbesatzung-schiesst-bei-Bundeswehr-Einsatz-mit-Signalmunition.html
– It´s just another trial to get the – mostly unwilling – Germans into “war mood” and it will fail like all the other ones before. Imo each of these trials has the opposite effect: People are realising that the rulers/globalist puppets really want them to become “(until) the last Europeans” and most of them *don´t* like this idea.
Posted by: Blue Angel | Dec 4 2024 23:47 utc | 361
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 21:09 utc | 367
The funny thing – so to speak – is that I was convinced that the Russian Army was not completely ready in February 2022 and that they were obliged to act because of the threat of the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass which was to start on the 8th of March. I guess you know why exactly on that date. Special gift from the nazi psychopaths and banderists and their supports. It was necessary to win time, go slowly to minimize the casualties and to let the research go on to produce weapons to which there is nothing to stop them. With the hazel the west is powerless. See the deputies of the rada fleeing the parliament… All cowards, no guts, no glory. The western leaders are the same. All for the propaganda, the PR, the show.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 5 2024 0:00 utc | 362
Make it clear that Ukraine is not after Russian land or any territory inside Russia.
Posted by: Firm Shame | Dec 4 2024 15:36 utc | 343
Completely wrong. Ukraine is only the instrument to destroy the RF and grab the ressources of its territory.
And even more wrong as maps displayed in Ukraine show its borders well into Russia. The project is to build a new Khazaria.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 5 2024 0:04 utc | 363
Concerning all the evil actions at different countries at the same time: It doesn´t matter imo if you call their instigators nato, imf, deep state, wef or else because there probably is a kind of “core group” in control of all these *globalist* organisations, countries under their control, ngos, thinktanks, etc. – S. o. needs to be extremely naive calling all these incidents occuring at the same time “coincidence”
Imo they are not (or not primarilly) triggered by the inauguration of the new, *may be* ( which is doubtful imo) globalist opposed president-elect Trump but by the USkrainian defeat and the overall defeat concerning economy, growing and combined power of the globalist opponents.
These “coincidal” incidents/actions of course had been planned some time ago (as s. o. mentioned before) but they seem to be not planned thoroughly. They´re smelling more of desperation than of confidence in victory, these failed little “hail marys” (Serbia/Kosovo and some others included).
Sorry for OT and thanks to all real barflies! (Don´t feed the desperate trolls please)
Posted by: Blue Angel | Dec 5 2024 0:06 utc | 364
Michael also implied that Putin should use Orishnik with “great abandon”. I do not agree with this, since such a potent new system should be used very selectively, and only to the extent that adequate supply is available.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 4 2024 23:13 utc | 379
I trust the Russian Army and the government to know exactly when to use it. It is a new dissuasion weapon. Still read nothing about nato missiles hitting deep into Russian territory since the nuts were delivered.
Cherry on the cake: yesterday, no more French governement. Gone with the wind. Especially some morons who were issuing threats against Russia. France is in deep trouble, as for instance unemployment is on the rise.
For instance:
https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/11/15/what-frances-inflation-and-unemployment-rates-could-mean-for-europe
Posted by: Naive | Dec 5 2024 0:15 utc | 365
Talking about photos of the factory destroyed by the new Hazel…..I cannot get over the photos of parts that have been produced by Ukraine…charred cables connecting thingies looks like one showing a large metallic maybe kind of cows udder combustion chamber????? Are these real or borrowed from elsewhere…surely there should only be miniscule unrecognisable bits??????
Posted by: Jo | Dec 5 2024 0:17 utc | 366
Laughing and learning moment: Daily Mail
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/132423
Title: Kim Jong Hun (my typo is voluntary!) sends North Korean women to fight as canon fodder for Putin in Ukraine.
With a photo of two NK women in military uniforms. I’ll let you discover the trick.
Fucking merdias. No shame to lie. No shame to manufacture lies. Western values once again. Shithole. And they pretend to give lessons to the rest of the world.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 5 2024 0:27 utc | 367
Posted by: Jo | Dec 5 2024 0:17 utc | 387
To read the western merdias is bad for one’s mental health.
To read the ukronazis merdias is fatal.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 5 2024 0:28 utc | 368
That would be overkill; Onyx, Zircon and Kinzhal are more than sufficient for those.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 23:43 utc | 381
FABs and Iskanders do the work pretty well on the battlefield. The others are pretty useful to destroy everything which can be targeted behind the front.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 5 2024 0:32 utc | 369
1) NATO has *nothing to do with* Georgia’s current street demonstration scrapping. It is pseudo political, ostensibly over EU membership but, as Ritter says, yet another State Department attempted “Maidan”. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with NATO.
2) Bribing Serbia’s Vucic is a combination EU+US+NATO leverage op, State Department designed to make a pariah of any EU Russophile. Just an average day in Europe.
3) NATO is not in any official way involved in Syria. The White Helmets you mention are but a tiny tiny minority force — and yes, on the US side, but not as representative of a EU or NATO side. They are about 3000 volunteers out of some 300,000 professional fighters all up in the country. RF has 60,000 there. So it cannot be imputed that NATO has “recently inflamed the Syrian conflict”.
4) Biden’s last minute money and weapons grants to 404 are 100% domestic politics, plus self preservation, and *nothing to do with NATO*.
So there you have it, Tobias and Barrel. A proper rebuttal of a daft post. Just leave it at that. If Tobias had correctly said THE US rather than NATO, none of this exchange would have been necessary, and you would not have now looked like a boofhead.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 4 2024 4:08 utc | 303
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My dear Troll, NATO is the United States; the US created it, owns it, controls it, and, to a large degree, finances it. I often substitute NATO for the US, as it does whatever the US demands of it. NATO spies and agitators can do exactly what the CIA and NED can do. What does NATO have to do with Libya? Yet, NATO conducted the bombing mission to destroy and kill Muammar Gaddafi. NATO was also involved in the bombing of Serbia in 1999; Serbia had not attacked a NATO country, so do you believe the lie that NATO is a “Defensive Organization” for the EU? NATO, including its intelligence agencies, is just muscle for the US.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 5 2024 1:07 utc | 370
Daily DS map update and analysis:
Overall:
Another subpar day at 17.3 kmsq (versus NOV pace of 24/day).
*Good and bad changes at Velyka Novasilka in terms of surrounding the town. Probably net positive.
*Continued progress in clearing out the Uspenivka pocket. Very little acreage change, but when it finally falls, will be a lot. RFA is getting into key towns along the supply route.
*Slow progress in the Kurakhove vicinity.
*Some interesting progress in Pokrovsk area, but given the size of the land that needs to be taken, still very slow pace. Looking like a 2025 battle, maybe late 2025.
*Perhaps Chasiv Yar is heating up, although we’ve heard that before and then nothing happened for a half a year.
*Pretty quiet at other fronts (Toretsk, Kupiansk) today and previous. The one area with some movement, in general, is Pischane bloom, but nothing today.
S to N:
1. 11.7 kmsq to the SE of Velyka Novasilka, including the capture of the town of Blahodatne. Seems to threaten a southern push to VN, at least on the E side of the river. More work needed to get near.
2. NEGATIVE 1.5 kmsq to the N of Velyka Novasilka. UFA counterattacked and removed the salient that had entered Novyi Komar and had cut the second northerly road. (RFA retains control of one of the roads.)
3. 0.1 kmsq in Sukhi Yaly. Uspenivke pocket.
4. 0.5 kmsq in Kostiantynopolske. Uspenivka pocket.
5. 0.6 kmsq in Yelyzavetivka. Uspenivka pocket.
6. 0.9 kmsq in Stari Terny and environs (N of Kurakhove).
7. 1.7 kmsq N of Zoria. Pokrovsk region.
8. 0.8 kmsq S of Pushkine. Pokrovsk region.
9. 2.0 kmsq in Novopustynka. Pokrovsk region.
10. 0.0 kmsq (actually 0.04 kmsq, but I round) in Shevchenko, Pokrovsk region. This is a very strange red island, although supported by a salient of gray zone. I guess geolocation drove it? I would think this would be vulnerable to counterattack (with a lot of UFA troops available to do so), but time will tell if it holds. If the RFA can seriously get their fangs into Shevchenko and then take it that would be a significant achievement. Shevtown is an important stepping stone to Pokrovsk.
11. 0.5 kmsq in Chasiv Yar.
11.
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 5 2024 1:24 utc | 371
WillSeymour@……..a better interview would be Sergey Lavrov on the Joe Rogan show, just to see Sergey kicking back with a big stogie and a four finger fist of scotch. Besides, Joe has the highest viewed show on the planet…..3+ billion viewers.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 5 2024 1:36 utc | 372
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 22:52 utc | 378
I agree 100%. Might I also add that the Russians are absolutely in no rush to enlighten us on these matters. They know what it does and more importantly how it does it, and just NATO knows what it does (or NATO knows JUST WHAT it does, if you will), and that seems good enough for Russia. There has been one ATACMS (or possibly Storm Shadow, my mind is an idiot) strike since, and Russia says they answered with the drones, and nothing now in a week or so. Was the message received? I certainly hope so.
Posted by: Caveman | Dec 5 2024 1:41 utc | 373
@ sean the leprechaun | Dec 5 2024 1:36 utc | 393
in your response to seymore @ 349 – i had to look that up because you didn’t say – i haven’t watched either… what did you get from the rogan interview with lavrov, other then his smoking and drinking style? lol…
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 1:43 utc | 374
War Mapper did his monthly summary.
https://x.com/War_Mapper/status/1864478178665803878
I urge to read it there, but summarizing and commenting:
1. RFA took 702 kmsq (his map, slightly different from DS). That equates to 23+/day in NOV. It is a RFA record (since the first months days of the war) and shows continued “acceleration” of the rate of territory gain.
2. They also took 112 kmsq in Kursk (Russia). But I disregard this as I never gave UFA credit for that and expect RFA to even the slate there. (Although it is taking a long time. I remember being told off as a crazy pessimist when I said late 2024…now it looks like 2025!)
3. Despite, point 1, note that looking at the bar chart, the changes are so glacially slow that you can’t even see them by eye, from NOV22-NOV24. Viva la stalemate. That sure isn’t an Ayden collapse. Is not “attrition” resulting in breaking of the lines. Not yet, it ain’t.
4. In terms of Oblasts, the main progress (other than Russian Kursk) was in Donetsk. Went from 63% control to 65% control in November. Everywhere else was minimal. Even for Donetsk, that shows how a long time will be needed just for that political gain. About a year and a half at recent record pace. Maybe a year if acceleration continues. And then that doesn’t get the other partial oblasts, Zhap and Kherson. (Crimea is held and Luhansk is 99% held.) And it sure doesn’t get Odessa. Or “to the Dnieper” or “rump state” or similar don’t-look-at-maps silliness.
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 5 2024 1:43 utc | 375
@ Anonymous | Dec 5 2024 1:43 utc | 396
you negate the idea of a complete collapse.. okay.. and you negate the idea of the west cutting ukraine loose while they try to salvage their own economies – germany in particular, but many of the others too…
there is such a thing – hard to predict – of the other side caving in… of course since it is a nato against russia conflict, i suspect nato can hang in longer, even if the political stooges are unable to hang on because their populace is so pissed with them…
other then that your mathematics is very impressive, lol..
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 1:49 utc | 376
@james | Thu, 05 Dec 2024 01:49:00 GMT | 397
other then that your mathematics is very impressive, lol.
He can do fractions and percentages, a little below the level of my sixth grade daughter. But everyone needs a hobby I guess.
there is such a thing – hard to predict – of the other side caving in… of course since it is a nato against russia conflict, i suspect nato can hang in longer, even if the political stooges are unable to hang on because their populace is so pissed with them.
It will be close as to who will be left to support Ukraine. France’s government has collapsed, Germany’s pro-Ukraine government will be voted out early next year. Incoming US president Donald Trump has stated he wants the Ukraine war to end. The Romanian government just lost its majority. Methinks the end is very near for Western support of Ukraine, but we’ll see.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 5 2024 2:11 utc | 377
Posted by: James M. | Dec 5 2024 2:11 utc | 398
Drumpf wants the war to end, but has he said how? I am certain his ‘plan’ is to end the war by Russia surrendering to his threat of nuclear first strike by the US. US believes that it can ‘win’ ever since it got the ‘super fuse’.
Posted by: acementhead | Dec 5 2024 2:20 utc | 378
@ James M. | Dec 5 2024 2:11 utc | 398
regarding germany – hard to know just how stupid and brainwashed the germans are.. they could vote in the warmonger frederick merz
headline from late october – “Supplying Ukraine with Taurus won’t make us party to war – Germany opposition leader Merz” lots more loons where they guy came from…
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 2:21 utc | 379
@ acementhead | Dec 5 2024 2:20 utc | 400
until it happens, i consider trump a conman… bullshit artist.. we’ll see.. he might make a good humpty dumpty at this point.. brace for his fall, lol..
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 2:23 utc | 380
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 2:23 utc | 402
I hope you are wrong, james. For his, and our sakes. At least for now, we still have that possibility. Negative views swirl as other possibilities. You usually are more positive. We shall see.
Posted by: juliania | Dec 5 2024 2:58 utc | 381
@ juliania | Dec 5 2024 2:58 utc | 403
i hope i am wrong too fwiw… but a part of me is reading him this way and i can’t ignore the overall picture i have of him.. lets hope i am wrong.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 3:02 utc | 382
james@395….oh shit, that’s how rumors start ….lol, no, just thinking of a better interviewer with a more, much more, relaxed atmosphere, and wider audience. I think Sergey and Joe would hit it off…..one day maybe.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 5 2024 3:05 utc | 383
I also think the Germans might surprise us. As do Ukrainians who are only trying to preserve their country. I hope that will be possible for them soon. Not under the regime they have, but in their own initiative. I pray for that for them. And the Germans can well understand, much better than we in the US, who haven’t faced what their forefathers faced as the war ended. We all seem to be looking into a mirror at people not so different from us. Some of them are surprising us already.
Posted by: juliania | Dec 5 2024 3:08 utc | 384
“What’s happened to Mr Rent-a-Troll?”
Posted by: Englishman in NY | Dec 5 2024 2:18 utc | 399
Who was that?
Posted by: naBisco | Dec 5 2024 3:08 utc | 385
Re: james, @404,
Trump has always been a bullshiter, but he always knows when to cut and run when an investment goes bad (Trump’s companies go bankrupt all the time, Trump as an individual never has because he never throws his own money into an investment beyond the initial seed capital). Given that, it’s hard to imagine Trump would look at the current situation in Ukraine and think “i know this slow motion car wreck has been going on for 10 years, but this could work if I just throw more money and resources at it”. I think Trump will try to walk away from Ukraine, but the inter-agency consensus will slow walk everything and will make this process take months, perhaps all of 2025. We should get a better idea of what Trump is thinking if within the 1st week of taking office he calls in the frontline CIA station officers from Europe and asks for their analysis situation (as opposed to the Langley headoffice crew) or if he orders an audit of Ukraine aid. Either of these actions would give him grounds to walk away from Ukraine quickly. But who knows, the US seems to have gone totally insane and all of their current actions seems designed to codify the development of a new cold war with Russia & China
Posted by: Kadath | Dec 5 2024 3:35 utc | 386
“I also think the Germans might surprise us. As do Ukrainians who are only trying to preserve their country.”
Posted by: juliania | Dec 5 2024 3:08 utc | 405
You seem to be consuming too much US propaganda. Ukies are not “only trying to preserve their country” they are willingly being used as a tool, by the US, to destroy Russia and take all its stuff.
You are not at Reddit now, you must have got lost. Reddit is somewhere else.
Posted by: acementhead | Dec 5 2024 3:38 utc | 387
Posted by: Kadath | Dec 5 2024 3:35 utc | 407
Is it a German thing to post a wall of text with no paragraph breaks?
Posted by: naBisco | Dec 5 2024 3:47 utc | 388
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 2:23 utc | 402
“until it happens, i consider trump a conman… bullshit artist.. we’ll see.. he might make a good humpty dumpty at this point.. brace for his fall, lol..”
With Trump we have the possibility that he will make good on ending the war, with Kamala we would have had the War Party in full control. The American people voted to end the war and stop the invasion. Here’s hoping.
Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 5 2024 4:39 utc | 389
headline from late october – “Supplying Ukraine with Taurus won’t make us party to war – Germany opposition leader Merz” lots more loons where they guy came from…
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 2:21 utc | 401
Has the UK been reduced to radioactive rubble over its actions so far?
No.
Russia has the technical capability to do it and to completely disable the second strike.
But instead they have not even sent a single conventional missile there.
Were the Czechs punished for what they did in Belgorod?
The Germans for their tanks rolling again into Kursk? For that alone Germany should have ceased to exist if there was a proper ruler in the Kremlin. One time too many.
But neither the Czech nor the Germans have been touched.
So what is the risk for Germany in sending Taurus missiles?
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 5 2024 4:40 utc | 390
@ANON2022 | Thu, 05 Dec 2024 04:40:00 GMT | 411
and to completely disable the second strike.
No they don’t. If Russia hit the UK with a nuclear missile, the US would launch its nukes (in theory), and no Russia cannot stop them all. But there’s a lot of gray area between doing nothing (which you assume incorrectly Russia is doing) and full-on nuclear war, you should explore that. A lot of things go on that never make the news…
Posted by: James M. | Dec 5 2024 4:46 utc | 391
@ juliania | Dec 5 2024 3:08 utc | 405
was out for a christmas concert with many choirs and just got back.. the music was awesome.. all these people enjoying the love of singing! anyway – yes, and i hope the german people do surprise us on the positive side… after watching that video i shared with you of the lady from bsw – yes, they are thinking clearly, so hopefully then can counter the mass media bs that are being fed and see what is happening here..
@ Kadath | Dec 5 2024 3:35 utc | 407
thanks kadath.. i have been in a holding position with regard to trump and am taking a wait and see approach.. the way i see it, the usa is on a slippery slope in the wrong direction and a dose of reality is going to have to kick in soon, or they will be in bigger trouble… so maybe trump can surprise on the upside… i do believe the deep state is pretty entrenched and i don’t like trumps fealty to israel either.. but i think trump is a lot of hot air too, so lets see what happens.. i hope he surprises on the upside when he becomes president..
@ acementhead | Dec 5 2024 3:38 utc | 408
you are new around here… juliania has been here like forever..maybe you want to reconsider your thinking here.. cheers..
@ Paranaense | Dec 5 2024 4:39 utc | 410
that’s true what you say.. being in canada, i watch this from afar, but i think it would have been worse with kamala and company.. i do believe trump is more unpredictable and i think that is a positive trait myself, especially in politicians which are too formulaic for my tastes almost always..
@ ANON2022 | Dec 5 2024 4:40 utc | 411
my take is the whole planet would be engulfed in flames and destruction if the powers that be had listened to your, or shadowbanned viewpoint, so we’ll have to agree to disagree.. regards..
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 5:31 utc | 392
john helmer from yesterday.. it’s quite good and relevant to this conversation..
THE INCITATUS PRECEDENT IN US STRATEGY, THE CALIGULA CURE IN RUSSIAN STRATEGY
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 5:50 utc | 393
“my take is the whole planet would be engulfed in flames and destruction if the powers that be had listened to your, or shadowbanned viewpoint, so we’ll have to agree to disagree.. regards..”
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2024 5:31 utc | 413
James you are a natural diplomat. It is clear that ANON2022 wants nuclear war.
Posted by: naBisco | Dec 5 2024 6:51 utc | 394
No they don’t. If Russia hit the UK with a nuclear missile, the US would launch its nukes (in theory), and no Russia cannot stop them all. But there’s a lot of gray area between doing nothing (which you assume incorrectly Russia is doing) and full-on nuclear war, you should explore that. A lot of things go on that never make the news…
Posted by: James M. | Dec 5 2024 4:46 utc | 412
Oh, yes, they can.
The UK’s only delivery means are its SSBNs. Which are so old and poorly maintained that they can barely keep just one of the four on patrol.
The objective is to sink that one, the others you hit with a nuclear Zircon from the North Sea while they are in port, and that’s it. Even better – you wait for all four of them to be in port when they all need repairs. You send a Zircon that arrives in Clyde within just a few minutes, and then you can do whatever you want with the rest.
The US will not launch to retaliate for a UK that has ceased to exist. This is in fact the general logic when it comes to nuclear war – proxies are to be defended only as long as they still exist. Once they are annihilated, there is no rational reason to ensure your own death by retaliating over them.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 5 2024 7:02 utc | 395
Further, e.g. the Czechs and the Germans never had any nukes or delivery systems anyway.
An example should have been made of them the moment they started attacking pre-war Russian territory.
Clearly, the Germans have not forgotten WWII despite everything Russia did for them since then. In fact, what Russia did for Germany in the last half a century was at the great detriment of its own people.
Germans were living cushy comfortable lives based on subsidized cheap Russian oil, gas and other resources, while Russian people themselves literally starved in the 1990s and have never been as well off as the Germans even after things improved a bit after that. Because, again, Russian elites took those resources away from the Russian people and gifted them to the Germans.
The rational position of the regular Russian outside the Moscow/St. Petersburg elite circles is to want both the treacherous Russian elites and the Germans all dead, once it became clear the Germans are back to their true openly genocidal Russophobic self, as clearly expressed in the last three years.
Why should people in Kursk and Belgorod live under constant bombardment (and now outright invasion too) while the Kremlin cares much more about trying to salvage business relations with Germany? Make that make sense?
Kill the MFs.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 5 2024 7:08 utc | 396
Russian government is selling all they have increasing the spending to lowering the Ruble for propaganda purposes the currency is dead they need $£€ that they are not getting only Yuan and Indian rubies.
Posted by: Firm Shame | Dec 4 2024 15:36 utc | 343
10 rubles might not buy much in America, but it’s enough to pay the electricity bill for an entire suburb in Kyiv.
Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Dec 5 2024 7:17 utc | 397
@ANON2022 | Thu, 05 Dec 2024 07:02:00 GMT | 416
Oh, yes, they can.
The UK’s only delivery means are its SSBNs.
The US will not launch to retaliate for a UK that has ceased to exist.
The US and the UK are very integrated on nuclear weapons. It’s been that way ever since the 1958 mutual defense pact. In fact, the UK’s delivery system is the Trident system. Plus, the UK is modernizing their SSBNs. And yeah, one will always be in the water.
Some quotes for ya:
“the United Kingdom has title to Trident SLBMs from a pool of missiles shared with the United States Navy.”
“The targeting plans of the United Kingdom and the United States have been integrated for decades, and throughout the Cold War included a mix of civilian and military targets (Baylis 2005).”
“The United Kingdom does not own its own missiles but has title to 58 US Trident SLBMs from a pool of missiles shared with the US Navy.”
https://thebulletin.org/premium/2024-11/united-kingdom-nuclear-weapons-2024/
If you’re Putin, with 140 million lives in your hands, do you really, really want to take the chance that the UK’s most important ally and the only country in the world with the means to destroy you won’t retaliate tit for tat in a nuclear exchange if you launch against London?
https://carnegieendowment.org/programs/nuclear-policy/proliferation-news/us-planning-to-station-nuclear-weapons-in-uk-amid-threat-from-russia-report?lang=en
No, Putin doesn’t take that chance, as a rational actor. Good thing you are far from any levers of power, or at least you should be, given your own irrationality.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 5 2024 7:59 utc | 398
@ANON2022 | Thu, 05 Dec 2024 07:08:00 GMT | 418
Further, e.g. the Czechs and the Germans never had any nukes or delivery systems anyway.
An example should have been made of them the moment they started attacking pre-war Russian territory.
Shadowbanned is that you? Knee-jerk overreaction to a “big war event” – check. A total lack of knowledge or understanding on nuclear deterrence, doctrine, or weapons – check. A tendency to call Russian policy-makers traitors for not invoking retaliation measures fast enough to satisfy said poster – check. Mmmm, smells like Shadowbanned, or a clone at least.
Posted by: James M. | Dec 5 2024 8:08 utc | 399
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 5 2024 4:40 utc | 411
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 5 2024 7:08 utc | 417
Blah blah blah so fucking boring, miserable ukrop hilariously, ridiculously trying to expand the war all by herself by writing inane comments on the internets.
So yeah, in other news, squirrels are once again teasing my dogs for fun while I watch out of my double-gazed window this cold morning here in the western-pointed peninsula of Eurasia, yeah.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 5 2024 8:15 utc | 400