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December 1, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-288

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SBU detained saboteurs who wanted to burn the locomotive and electric substations of Ukrzaliznytsya: three of them are minors

Now why should partisans on the ground be doing this while locomotives have barely been hit by Russian missiles and drones for three years now when they should have been a priority target?

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 20:23 utc | 201

ANON2022 // 203
Locomotives – why should they have been a priority target “from the start”?
Do the Russian strategists have a plan which requires those locomotives to remain in operation? If so, what is their targeting strategy?

Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 2 2024 20:55 utc | 202

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 19:11 utc | 195
I’d be very sceptical of precise figures, unless they have stellar ICOM, which they would not want to reveal. 1515 is too neat, given the engagements the weapons and the targets, it might be a number from a CoFM calculation, but not a concrete figure.
Note, it’s hard enough tallying your own daily force levels in combat, let alone the enemy casualties.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 21:00 utc | 203

Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 2 2024 20:55 utc | 204
Watch where they go, track what comes off them, track where it goes. If it’s operationally significant hit it when it unloads, if tactical track where it’s stored or where it goes, then hit it. Also very useful to help you understand an enemy’s route optimisation algorithms.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 21:07 utc | 204

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 2 2024 19:52 utc | 201
From my, ‘Learn Russian the Sven Hassel way’, I think they’re telling each other to do something naughty to their mothers.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 21:14 utc | 205

Watch where they go, track what comes off them, track where it goes. If it’s operationally significant hit it when it unloads, if tactical track where it’s stored or where it goes, then hit it. Also very useful to help you understand an enemy’s route optimisation algorithms.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 21:07 utc | 206

Which has resulted in what?
Missile strikes on Kursk and the frontline barely moving for three years (or moving fast in the wrong direction when it is moving fast)?
What would have shutting down the railways resulted in as an alternative strategy?

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 21:15 utc | 206

Has it been long enough yet to call those complaining about “intact railroad systems” idiots yet, or will that still be impolite?

Posted by: boneless | Dec 2 2024 21:22 utc | 207

I have the feeling that Russia is running out of time and they can’t do the job as planned.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 2 2024 21:44 utc | 208

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 21:15 utc | 209
I am replying to this idiot troll for the sake of any newcomers to this site, looking for sensible views and information.
First, the Kursk incursion is being slowly wound down. Is it still a bit of a mess, yes, but it is not so bad as to justify and exchange of territory or indeed any slow down of the operation, especially in Donetsk.
If Anon was capable of understanding a map, he/she would know that the pace of Russian advances in Donetsk has increased substantially. The stalemate of on 2023 is well and truly over. Russia has chosen a nibbling strategy – like a dog with a very large bone. Bite hard on the edges, crack a bit, nibble a bit, repeat. Never try to bite through the large hard centre. Slow but the dog still gets to eat the bone. Russia seems to avoid head on collisions and instead grabs the edges and creates pockets from which Ukraine must withdraw. it uses long range artillery to do most of the damage. It is a little like Medieval seige warfare. I assume it is very much the intention to minimise Russian losses. Frustratingly slow i agree but it is working.
Russia has quite deliberately NOT bombed civilian infrastructure for a number of obvious reasons. Firstly they do not want to occupy a hostile nation. They actually want/need to be friends with Ukraine – either occupy it as part of Russia or have it as a friendly buffer state like Belarus. Secondly and this should be obvious to many who claim to think Russia intends a march on Europe etc, Russia needs the railways and bridges to move rapidly through Ukraine one the heavily fortified (and most valuable) regions of the Donbass are claimed. It will be Ukraine who blows the bridges and railways as they retreat.
Russia still has some very big tasks ahead – Kharkov, Zaporizhia City and of course Odessa and perhaps the rest of Donetsk. My gut feel is that they will want most of Donetsk and Zaporizhia city before they even think about negotiating. They may need to finally occupy Kiev in order to achieve their goals – then they will have a real bargaining chip.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 2 2024 21:47 utc | 209

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 2 2024 21:44 utc | 211
The burden of proof is on you to explain WHY they’re running out of time.
The SMO or whatever you want to call it has been going on for nearly 3 years. Russia’s economy hasn’t collapsed, in fact, it is performing well relative to Europe. The gains are slow but steady. Putin has not had to resort to large-scale mobilizations as Ukraine has had to. He still has the total mobilization card to play, in his pocket. For now, no such move is needed as Ukraine is overmatched even with expensive NATO weapons that don’t seem to be making a difference.
Absent any evidence to the contrary, I see no reason why the current pace of operations couldn’t be sustained for another 3 years.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 2 2024 21:53 utc | 210

Judge Nap: Scott Ritter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96iFzYABE0w
“Ukraine nearing its end.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 2 2024 21:55 utc | 211

Destroying Ukrainian trains was not a priority as long as they fed AFU troops to attack Russian Federation massively in-depth fortified lines, where they suffered an appalling level of casualties and equipment losses that were totally disproportionate to what they inflicted on their enemy.
Even now the trains help enable Zelenskyy to continue to send scarce high value equipment and scarce well trained and motivated units into Kursk where they’ve been getting steadily eliminated. And arguably it goes against Ukraine’s interests to continue fighting along the line of contact when they should instead retreat far back to a more defensible positioning, so it remains in the interest of their enemy to prioritize destroying the forces sent rather than the trains bringing them.
But since imo the AFU is pretty close to all-in with the current day to day warfare, it would make sense for the RF forces to start focusing more on attriting their supply train, which includes trains/locomotives.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 2 2024 21:56 utc | 212

Given that 404 relies heavily on rail, and taking into account Milites’ observation that tracking what goes where is great intel, stating the bleeding obvious that rail uses fixed routes, and finally noting that most rail usage delivers ‘means’ directly into one or other of many firebags for disposal, then why on God’s green earth would this conveyance be stopped?

Posted by: Waymad | Dec 2 2024 22:20 utc | 213

Interesting update
Summary for the last 24 hours
During the day, the Ukrainian Armed Forces ‘ manpower and military equipment were damaged in 127 districts. 23 enemy counterattacks were repelled, including 9 each in the Pokrovsky and Kupyansky directions, 3 in Kharkiv, 2 in Yuzhno-Donetsk. Attempts of counterattacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk direction have not been reported for more than two weeks.
Destroyed during the day: 17 tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (4 of them in the Kursk direction, including 1 tank), 32 vehicles (2 in Kursk), 69 drones. It also claimed the destruction of 40 artillery installations and mortars.
The daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to 1,765 servicemen, including 525 in the Pokrovsky direction (Center), 490 in Kupyansk (West), 260 in Donetsk (South), 150 in South Donetsk (East), 55 in Kherson (Dnipro), 35 in Kharkiv (North). 250 militants were killed in the Kursk direction.
The losses of the AFU fighters inside the vehicles that burned down during the day were not counted.
When did they start excluding those burned in their vehicles?
https://mskvremya.ru/article/2023/1520-poteri-ukrainy-za-vremya-spetsoperatsii

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2024 22:32 utc | 214

Given that 404 relies heavily on rail, and taking into account Milites’ observation that tracking what goes where is great intel, stating the bleeding obvious that rail uses fixed routes, and finally noting that most rail usage delivers ‘means’ directly into one or other of many firebags for disposal, then why on God’s green earth would this conveyance be stopped?
Posted by: Waymad | Dec 2 2024 22:20 utc | 216

Because by not stopping it Russia lost the war, that is why.
It had a brief window of opportunity to take over the whole of Ukraine and cut off further NATO involvement.
In characteristic fashion, Putin blew it looking for yet another shitty deal instead.
The result is that there is no positive outcome left for Russia now — it can either surrender, or it is WWIII. It loses either way.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 22:35 utc | 215

reply to 207
Your post contains a number of factual distortions.
Ukraine is still in Kursk after approx. 37K losses and these commonly of their best.
Railway intact. This stuff is child’s play to target. If Russia hasn’t destroyed it, you need to ask why
Heat and light still on? See above. This stuff is easy to hit. Yes, Syria is a problem but not insurmountable
The ‘7000’ killed is completely unfair. This was reported on MOA as certainly a typo. Russia acts as it does because it has a wisdom the West does not. The Middle East is a fractious nightmare and Putin intervenes minimally. Not like the US – who were defeated after 20+ years by goat herders and pedophiles in Afghanistan.
The rest of your Post? I’m not clear what you’re saying.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 2 2024 22:36 utc | 216

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 13:26 utc | 140
Seems like the shock wave has tickled your jimmies and permeated your head as well micron. Take another swig of kool aid.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 2 2024 22:53 utc | 217

John Marks, 1st Dec 2024, 2327 GMT quondam 90
…in practice [Islam] is a religion of thugs – arrogant, menacing, intolerant thugs
Countless of your “thugs”, like Mandla Mandela abaThembu chieftain, Nobel Laureate Malala Yousafzai, British WWII spy Princess Inayat Khan and British athlete Mo Farah, may beg to differ with you.
As might the “thug” Rt Hon. Naledi Pandor, with her thuggery in a certain high profile ICJ case de jour.
As might millions of others. Absurd crudity.
Pardon the OT

Posted by: petra | Dec 2 2024 23:08 utc | 218

DS map update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#14/49.5261833/37.7911663
Overall analysis:
S to N: Slow day, getting only 13.3 kmsq. As opposed to average NOV pace of 24/day.
1. 0.6 kmsq E of Novyi Komar. (Velyka Novasilka sector.) There is a gray pocket forming which may convert soon. Slight changes plus/minus in the NK town itself, not meaningful.
2. 0.3 kmsq in Kurakhove. Pretty slow advance. So much for the “withdrawal” that some “first, first” cheerleaders were trumpeting a week or two ago. What I hear is Ukrops know they will lose, but mean to force the RFA to take its time…and are doing so.
3. 2.6 kmsq in Stari Terny and nearby North side of Kurakhove reservoir. Given the slow advance in K town itself, this move may be important in allowing K town to be surrounded from the west. Some of the area is in the water, but fine. I still credit it to the RFA (would do same for UFA).
4. 1.3 kmsq S of Pushkine in the (I guess we will call it) W-moving part of the Pokrovsk sector.
5. 8.5 kmsq SW of Berestove (Pischane bloom area).

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 2 2024 23:09 utc | 219

Posted by: snake | Dec 1 2024 16:31 utc | 20
You left this paragraph out…
“Russian are not going to urge their government to surrender either. For them, it’s existential. Similarly, Chinese people are not going to demand their government to surrender in the economic war raging against them. It’s their aspiration after the century of humiliation. So, this struggle against the west’s campaign on upholding their hegemony will persist until the west is thoroughly beaten. Beaten it will be.”
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 20:28 utc | 81
Snake: you left this part out…

Posted by: donten | Dec 2 2024 23:16 utc | 220

Yes, refraining from attacking an enemy’s logistics when you have the means to is an age-old custom of warfare.
War is peace, ignorance is strength etc.

Posted by: evilsooty998 | Dec 2 2024 23:55 utc | 221

A recurrent theme in these pages has been that the Ukraine war is a CIA war.
Trump survived his first assassination attempt by turning his head at the very last second. Otherwise he would have been JFKed.
Let that sink in. Trump kept the campaign going as if nothing happened. His neocon foreign policy team, Rubio excepted, might be his ploy to buy insurance. I don’t think that anyone can bring the CIA to submit to its masters.
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi et Pax Americana.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 2 2024 23:55 utc | 222

@ evilsooty998 | Dec 2 2024 23:55 utc | 224
Ah, thank you for providing an apt follow-up example of the average internet troll. “You said you liked apples, therefore you hate oranges! How dare you!”
“Refraining from attacking an enemy’s logistics”, he says. I know you have to say stupid things to parrot the obvious agenda, but you don’t have to try THAT hard.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 3 2024 0:07 utc | 223

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 22:35 utc | 218
> Because by not stopping it Russia lost the war, that is why.
Well if that is true, the game is over, so no point to dwell on it any longer.
Not sure how the Russia loss is affecting you personally, but your written English is excellent, there is a bright future ahead of you under the Anglo-American rule.

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 3 2024 0:16 utc | 224

Dicen que el objetivo de Rusia es desmilitarizar a Ucrania. y Ucrania ya perdio casi 20,000 tanques, en realidd esta desmilitarisando a la OTAN, no entiendo porque algunos se quejan. (les ha de gustar que aplasten a los civiles)

Posted by: Manuel V | Dec 3 2024 0:24 utc | 225

Georgia turned down the offer you cant refuse EU association and now is getting maidaned?

Posted by: Fred | Dec 3 2024 1:15 utc | 226

ET. AL.
Question
Has Russia been out general-ed?

Posted by: Jerr | Dec 3 2024 1:39 utc | 227

Fred | Dec 3 2024 1:15 utc | 229

Georgia turned down the offer you cant refuse EU association …

Alex Christoforo from The Duran mentioned this: After the recent passing of the Foreign Agents act in Georgia (similar to this law in the US), EU said that Georgia can not join EU unless this law is retracted. Subsequently, Georgian PM said that discussion of the EU accession is suspended until 2028.

Posted by: BD | Dec 3 2024 2:29 utc | 228

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 2 2024 21:53 utc | 213
You will never get a reply from such a troll.
In fact it is quite the opposite: the ukronazis are running out of time, and all their plans turned in meat grinders. The professional ukie army is destroyed.
In the mean time Russia improved in all possible fields.
While crisis are hitting hard on France and Germany. Through the sanctions, they get a taste of their own medicine. “L’arroseur arrosé.” It is always funny.
What is also very funny is the fact that the trolls know better than anyone which are the Russian plans…
Strawman fallacy of course.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 2:31 utc | 229

Posted by: Jerr | Dec 3 2024 1:39 utc | 230
Fuck of agent provocateur!

Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 2:32 utc | 230

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 22:35 utc | 218
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 2:36 utc | 231

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 3 2024 0:16 utc | 227
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 22:35 utc | 218
> Because by not stopping it Russia lost the war, that is why.
Well if that is true, the game is over, so no point to dwell on it any longer.
Not sure how the Russia loss is affecting you personally, but your written English is excellent, there is a bright future ahead of you under the Anglo-American rule.
You are quite correct hopehely, and a very bright future awaits ANON2022 with the same trusted organisation that brought us the mighty epics of Shadow banned in the recent past. In fact, I suspect ANON2022 has already begun negotiations for a contract, and his latest offerings on MoA are simply examples of his intellect and work to impress his prospective employers.
I am waiting for a definitive surmise of the exploits of the famous “Syrian White Helmets” humanitarian head-choppers during the latest MI6 adventure in Northern Syria. A Kursk incursion re-run by any chance??

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 3 2024 3:23 utc | 232

‘L’arroseur arrosé’ – Louis Lumière
Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 2:31 utc | 232
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Je vous remercie beaucoup.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 3 2024 4:28 utc | 233

Simplicius strikes again.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-12224-europes-bigs-scramble

Posted by: diatom | Dec 3 2024 5:22 utc | 234

“Simplicius strikes again.”
Posted by: diatom | Dec 3 2024 5:22 utc | 237
Simplicius’ posts are usually amazingly good, but his commentariat is often quite polluted. He needs to clean that shit up. Literally two posters make up 50% of each thread. One is just an annyoing tag-a-long type.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 3 2024 6:50 utc | 235

I don’t think that anyone can bring the CIA to submit to its masters.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 2 2024 23:55 utc | 225
Yes, a lot of people think that, say that, believe that. But is it not the case that the CIA has a management structure which can be appointed and tweaked by a President and/or congress … just like the FBI? They are both only as crooked/self-serving/illegal/immoral/political as *they are allowed to be*.

Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 3 2024 7:11 utc | 236

Simplicius’ posts are usually amazingly good, but his commentariat is often quite polluted. He needs to clean that shit up. Literally two posters make up 50% of each thread. One is just an annyoing tag-a-long type.
Posted by: naBisco | Dec 3 2024 6:50 utc | 238
Just don’t read the comments. Usually just a peanut gallery.

Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 3 2024 7:15 utc | 237

Simplicius’ posts are usually amazingly good, but his commentariat is often quite polluted. He needs to clean that shit up. Literally two posters make up 50% of each thread. One is just an annyoing tag-a-long type.
Posted by: naBisco | Dec 3 2024 6:50 utc | 238
Just don’t read the comments. Usually just a peanut gallery.

Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 3 2024 7:15 utc | 238

“Just don’t read the comments. Usually just a peanut gallery.”
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 3 2024 7:15 utc | 241
Probably very good advice but there are always a few commentators who make it worthwhile.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 3 2024 7:22 utc | 239

Clown control to captain Honk
Russian government’s strategy have brought us here, Ukraine is defeated and has not future, EU is unraveling and our governments are in deep shit, western economies are miserable and western societies are split over trivial BS. Yankees have to resort to banalities with jihadis and color revolutions. Why they are not doing this and why they should do that kind of comments are pointless.
Euros have no stomach or money for war and 100 coffins will topple any government. Trump will do great with tariffs, deportations and cracking on DEI.
This will end with China walking into Taiwan and jail all the idiots who dare shoot at their troops.

Posted by: 555 | Dec 3 2024 7:34 utc | 240

Posted by: watcher | Dec 2 2024 21:47 utc | 212
Good that you care about the newbies by replying to obvious low-grade trolls.

Firstly they [Russians] do not want to occupy a hostile nation. They actually want/need to be friends with Ukraine – either occupy it as part of Russia or have it as a friendly buffer state like Belarus.

But I disagree with the above. Three relevant examples (Japan, Germany and Chechnya) show that if you want to turn a former fanatic enemy into a vassal, you need to punish very, very hard. It’s not evil for the sake of evil, it’s just business, the business of turning enemies into vassals. So if the Russian high command sees it the way I see it, there will be large massacres and vast destruction ahead in Kiev and other major cities of Western Ukraines.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 3 2024 7:49 utc | 241

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/81862
Ukraine officially rejects guarantees that are substitutes for NATO membership – enemy media with reference to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine
“The only real guarantee of security and deterrent for Russia is Ukraine’s full membership in NATO. With the bitter experience of the Budapest Memorandum behind us, we will not agree to any alternatives, surrogates or substitutes for this,” the Ministry wrote.

Posted by: guest | Dec 3 2024 7:54 utc | 242

I noticed that Patreon account claims that ISW (a deeply anti-Russian site, pretending otherwise) spoke of an increase of 12 times as much classified material moving from Ukraine to Russian authorities in November. I carefully read through ISW and couldn’t find any reference to this. Does anyone have a link? Thanks!
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 2 2024 19:52 utc | 200

I searched too and couldn’t find anything. She rarely gives sources. I think I’ll have to lose trust in her.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 21:00 utc | 205

Thanks.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 3 2024 8:23 utc | 243

Simplicius strikes again.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-12224-europes-bigs-scramble
Posted by: diatom | Dec 3 2024 5:22 utc | 237
I cannot trust Simplicius, his analyses are usually just copy paste from other sources, intended to show that Russia is winning the war.
But is it really winning?

Posted by: salmon | Dec 3 2024 8:58 utc | 244

Posted by: salmon | Dec 3 2024 8:58 utc | 247
Short answer: Yes. Russia is winning. Steadily.
But the US can’t take that so we have interesting things coming.
Better not live near a military installation.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 3 2024 9:08 utc | 245

Now why should partisans on the ground be doing this while locomotives have barely been hit by Russian missiles and drones for three years now when they should have been a priority target?
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 20:23 utc | 203
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Why should you throw grenades or rockets at one or two or four locomotives?
But you have to know that there are practically NO diesel locomotives in Ukraine!
It is therefore much more effective to take away their fuel, ENERGY, which is what Russia is doing with attacks on transformers and power stations.
Just one example of the fact that some arguments are made here WITHOUT ever having any knowledge of the conditions in Ukraine and Russia, let alone knowing the country and mentality.
The entire logistics of Ukraine is based on electricity, as far as the region is concerned… as far as within the city is concerned, every bus is electric, the metro (underground) is electric, all rail traffic is based on electricity, there is NO railway line without overhead lines. Also a reason why there are hardly any highways, highways like the western Americans don’t even know… max 2 lanes, similar to country roads…
P.S. Only under Putin was this changed in Russia and motorways were built and today they are in the thousands of kilometers range
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Posted by: ossi | Dec 3 2024 9:30 utc | 246

The entire logistics of Ukraine is based on electricity
Posted by: ossi | Dec 3 2024 9:30 utc | 249

The railway switchgear is electric. Trains don’t run without switchgear and signalling.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 3 2024 9:39 utc | 247

@ salmon | Dec 3 2024 8:58 utc | 247
But are you really a homo sapiens?

Posted by: boneless | Dec 3 2024 9:42 utc | 248

The railway switchgear is electric. Trains don’t run without switchgear and signalling.
Posted by: too scents | Dec 3 2024 9:39 utc | 250
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Yes, that would be an additional factor and would also disrupt the use of diesel locomotives.
But as I said, the Ukrainian railway fleet consists of up to 90% electric locomotives that don’t run without electricity anyway, regardless of whether signals and switches are set manually!
There is also no public transport in the city that is powered by combustion engines…
Some old buses have been bought from Poland, Bulgaria and Romania so that in the event of a power outage there is at least some transport for people. But even there it often fails due to the lack of diesel available.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 3 2024 10:05 utc | 249

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of December 3, 2024)
– Units of the Group of Forces North in the Kharkov direction defeated the formations of the 95th Air Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 13th Brigade of the National Guard in the areas of settlements Neskuchnoye and Slatino, Kharkov region.
The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 40 servicemen, two vehicles and one 122-mm artillery gun “Gvozdika” . — Units of the
Group of Forces “West” improved the tactical position, defeated the manpower and equipment of the 44th mechanized , 25th airborne brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 115th land defense brigade in the areas of the settlements Kupyansk, Lozovaya, Kharkov region and Ivanovka, Donetsk People’s Republic. 11 counterattacks by the assault groups of the 1st, 4th brigades of the National Guard and the 113th technical defense brigade were repelled.
The enemy lost up to 460 soldiers, two vehicles, one 122-mm D-30 howitzer and two 105-mm M119 guns from the USA. The Enclave-N electronic warfare station and three field ammunition depots were destroyed.
— Units of the “South” group of forces, through decisive actions, liberated the village of Romanovka in the Donetsk People’s Republic. The units of the 46th Airborne Brigade, the 79th Air Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the 37th Marine Brigade were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Konstantinovka, Dachnoye and Slavyansk of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Enemy losses amounted to up to 370 servicemen, one armored personnel carrier, five vehicles and one electronic warfare station. A field ammunition depot was destroyed. — Units of the “Center” group of forces improved the situation along the front line, defeating the manpower and equipment of the 59th mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the 38th Marine Brigade and the 14th National Guard Brigade in the settlement areas of Shevchenko, Grodovka and Dimitrov of the Donetsk People’s Republic. 12 counterattacks of assault groups were repelled
42nd , 100th mechanized , 56th motorized infantry , 71st rifle brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and 35th Marine Brigade .
The enemy lost more than 555 soldiers, four armored combat vehicles, five vehicles, one 152-mm Msta-B gun and two 122-mm D-30 howitzers . — Units of the Vostok group of forces by active actions liberated the settlement of Novodarovka in the Zaporozhye region. The formations of the 33rd mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine , the 127th and 241st military defense brigades were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Razliv, Komar and Oktyabr of the Donetsk People’s Republic . We repelled two counterattacks by assault groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Enemy losses amounted to up to 155 servicemen, one tank, four armored combat vehicles, five vehicles and one 152-mm Akatsiya self-propelled artillery gun . — Units of the Dnepr group of troops defeated the manpower and equipment of the 124th and 126th land defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Molodeznoye and Nikolskoye in the Kherson region. The losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces amounted to up to 60 servicemen and three vehicles. — Operational-tactical aviation, attack unmanned aerial vehicles, missile troops and artillery of troop formations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation defeated energy facilities that affected the operation of enterprises of the military-industrial complex.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 3 2024 10:14 utc | 250

Salmon Dec3 @858
I cannot trust Salmon. So who is the source for cutting his paycheck? A concern troll at best…and I see that Boneless appears to infer that some nefarious intel types are creating an AI robot here. Russia losing? Hardy ho, ho, ho. It is the bribing. blackmailing paymasters of NATO who are losing.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 3 2024 10:21 utc | 251

Posted by: salmon | Dec 3 2024 8:58 utc | 247
Simplicius strikes again.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-12224-europes-bigs-scramble
Posted by: diatom | Dec 3 2024 5:22 utc | 237
I cannot trust Simplicius, his analyses are usually just copy paste from other sources, intended to show that Russia is winning the war.
I agree that Simplicius is a bit “one eyed”, and while I still consider his opinions and progress reports (of the RF army), cannot take them as being absolute truth. I reckon that he often glosses over any set- backs, but his reports are nevertheless quite useful if considered along with other relevant information -such as the updates from the Busker (Rod Campbell).
When Big Serge writes something I think you can almost always take it very seriously indeed. But unfortunately, he does not write his well- researched pieces very frequently. Given the time and effort he obviously spends on researching his articles, this is not surprising.
As to whether Russia is winning, I agree with Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 3 2024 9:08 utc | 248
Yes. Russia is winning. Steadily.
The US and collective west are not pleased, and the recent arrival of Oreshnik has not improved their demeanour.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 3 2024 10:38 utc | 252

Best post I have read today:
“Destroying Ukrainian trains was not a priority as long as they fed AFU troops to attack Russian Federation massively in-depth fortified lines, where they suffered an appalling level of casualties and equipment losses that were totally disproportionate to what they inflicted on their enemy.
Even now the trains help enable Zelenskyy to continue to send scarce high value equipment and scarce well trained and motivated units into Kursk where they’ve been getting steadily eliminated. And arguably it goes against Ukraine’s interests to continue fighting along the line of contact when they should instead retreat far back to a more defensible positioning, so it remains in the interest of their enemy to prioritize destroying the forces sent rather than the trains bringing them.
But since imo the AFU is pretty close to all-in with the current day to day warfare, it would make sense for the RF forces to start focusing more on attriting their supply train, which includes trains/locomotives.>
Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 2 2024 21:56 utc | 215

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2024 10:51 utc | 253

Three relevant examples (Japan, Germany and Chechnya) show that if you want to turn a former fanatic enemy into a vassal, you need to punish very, very hard. It’s not evil for the sake of evil, it’s just business, the business of turning enemies into vassals. So if the Russian high command sees it the way I see it, there will be large massacres and vast destruction ahead in Kiev and other major cities of Western Ukraines.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 3 2024 7:49 utc | 244

(Japan, Germany and Chechnya)
IMU wrong on all counts.
destruction was caused by armed conflict.
None of the three nations were “punished” as an “extra”.
counter example are the US adventures _because_ they could never achieve an negotiated end of hostilities ( usually because they destroyed the government there )

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 3 2024 11:31 utc | 254

Je vous remercie beaucoup.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 3 2024 4:28 utc | 236
Avec plaisir!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1oXVUGYShM

Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 11:52 utc | 255

Posted by: ossi | Dec 3 2024 10:14 utc | 253
Total of ukie servicemen eliminated: 1640.
They do not give the number of surrenders.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 12:02 utc | 256

ossi | Dec 3 2024 10:05 utc | 252
Are ALL Ukrainian lines electrified? I haven’t really looked since the days of the tunnel attack on the line from Chop, but I thought not all had been.
Easy enough to check, satellite views will show. I know the line from Chop was electrified, think it was relatively recent i.e. last 10 years.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 3 2024 12:27 utc | 257

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 3 2024 11:31 utc | 257

destruction was caused by armed conflict.
None of the three nations were “punished” as an “extra”.

Pfft! Japanese civilians were nuked twice, German civilians were burnt en masse from the air, the destruction of Grozny (twice) still ranks as the most extensive destruction of any European city since WWII. All those events caused the deaths of hundreds thousand civilians which qualifies as extra punishment and the outcome was, well, Japan and Germany became poodles of their Anglo masters and Chechnya warriors became fierce allies of Russians.

counter example are the US adventures _because_ they could never achieve an negotiated end of hostilities ( usually because they destroyed the government there )

This extra punishment doesn’t work if you lose your war of choice so America didn’t turn many extra-punished enemies into vassals but the point is the winner must be merciless, brutal, genocidal (as the allies were against Germany and Japan), in order to tame the fanatic enemy for a very long time. It’s not my thing, I say make money not war, but it’s just how it works.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 3 2024 12:44 utc | 258

DS Map update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4383200/32.0526800
DS had an interesting early update today. The northern Oskil River crossing was pushed back and firm UFA control taken. (And I didn’t notice, but a fair amount of it was pushed back yesterday.) It’s like a couple kmsq (hard to calculate exactly).
This actually makes sense since, we’ve been hearing (even from pro RFA) that the incursions were very small infantry attacks (20 men or so), using rubber boats to cross. So, of course, they are subject to ejection once the UFA moves strong forces to clean them out.
FWIW, the southern crossing remains. I would think it is similarly tenuous.
Nothing good/bad…just observing and interpreting. This sort of foray is something both sides occasionally do and it is reasonable to occasionally do it. But usually not some big breakthrough. Probably a good analogy is the games in the south on the islands of the river.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 3 2024 13:40 utc | 259

I was catching up on Simplicius (Zelensky Finally Breaks: Willing to Accept NATO Membership for Territory Swap) and he touched on a point that still amazes me despite my valid characterization of the West as deeply delusional:

As you can see by the above, the contours of the West’s plans for ending the war are beginning to materialize before us. The final problem persists: the West still continues to operate under the faulty premise that Russia has taken far more losses than Ukraine, and thus is eager, or even desperate, for this coming ceasefire. Nothing of the sort: recently virtually every Kremlin figure has again reiterated that Russia is not interested in any ceasefires which do not adhere to Putin’s already-stated, widely-known conditions.

It should be obvious that Russia is fighting with one hand behind their back, and at times even with both hands behind their back. Russia has so far committed little enough of their resources to the war with NATO that they have enough left over for nearly continuous military exercises with other states. Joint exercises with China seem to be almost a daily occurrence. Moreover, the Russians have not done a real mobilization, and for many Russians the war remains a secondary, or even less, background issue. The mobilization of Russia’s domestic industry for war remains tepid, at best.
Still, the strategists for Empire seem convinced that the Russians are desperate for a ceasefire with their stated goals yet unfulfilled. This strange delusion permeates the West far more thoroughly than just at the command level, as we can see from the silly Nazi fanbois posting here. To be certain, the Russians want to end the war. They didn’t want war in the first place, and would prefer it to end as soon as possible, but it’s not because the war is such a huge inconvenience. The pain the Russians are feeling is quite different from the pain he Ukraine and NATO are feeling. It is like the grim father pointing out to his errant offspring “This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you”, as he prepares the hazel switch. The pain the Russians feel from having to discipline the Ukraine is real, but not the sort of pain that will stop them from doing what they have to do.
Of course, the entire West is so deeply delusional that they interpret this failure of the Russians to kill with enthusiasm and gusto as proof that the Russians are on the verge of yielding. Being regretful of the harm done and resistant to engage in total war marks Russia in western eyes as weak and near capitulation. The misunderstanding of Russia’s place in the conflict by the West is a remarkably complete inversion of reality.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 3 2024 14:00 utc | 260

Summary of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the progress made in repelling the attempted invasion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces into the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk region (as of December 3, 2024)
– Units of the Forces Group North defeated formations of the 21st, 41st, 44th and 47th, 1st mechanized, 17th heavy mechanized, 5th tank, 80th, 82nd and 95th air assault brigades, as well as the 112th and 129th territorial defense brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the areas of the settlements of Alexandria, Viktorovka, Kurilovka, Lebedevka, Leonidovo, Malaya Loknya, Martynovka, Nizhny Klin, Nikolaevo-Daryino, Nikolsky, Novoivanovka, Plekhovo, Sverdlikovo and Yuzhny. – Strikes by operational-tactical and military air and artillery fire struck enemy personnel and equipment in the areas of the settlements of Agronom, Guevo, Makhnovka, Novaya Sorochina, Staraya Sorochina and Cherkasy Porechnoye, as well as Basovka, Belovody, Veselovka, Vodolagi, Zhuravka and Obody in the Sumy region. – During the day, the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces amounted to more than 300 servicemen. Two tanks, four infantry fighting vehicles, including two American-made Bradleys, 17 armored fighting vehicles, 14 vehicles, three artillery pieces and six mortars were destroyed. In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 37,655 servicemen, 228 tanks, 165 infantry fighting vehicles, 123 armored personnel carriers, 1,223 armored fighting vehicles, 1,079 cars, 308 artillery pieces, 40 multiple rocket launchers missile systems, including 11 HIMARS and six US-made MLRS, 13 launchers anti-aircraft missile systems, seven transport and loading vehicles, 70 electronic warfare stations, 13 counter-battery radars, four air defense radars, 27 engineering and other equipment units, including 13 engineering clearance vehicles, one UR-77 mine clearance unit,
as well as six armored repair and recovery vehicles and one command and staff vehicle.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 3 2024 14:09 utc | 261

And again on German TV
“Russia has completely lost money, hopes for a negotiated end to the war at any price”
That’s the headline in every news report, no matter which channel…
Every channel (which is special about Germany, by the way, the special thing is that EVERY channel has the same wording, not just the meaning, NO, the same words, down to the decimal point)
In other states in the Western bubble, such reports are at least slightly modified, adjusted, etc. in Germany, as we are obedient to the authorities… they are copied word for word.
For me, as someone who has experienced socialism (around 40 years), that just says…THAT IS THE SYSTEM, THE SIGN OF A DICTATORSHIP, when news on every channel says word for word…

Posted by: ossi | Dec 3 2024 14:24 utc | 262

Still, the strategists for Empire seem convinced that the Russians are desperate for a ceasefire with their stated goals yet unfulfilled (…) The misunderstanding of Russia’s place in the conflict by the West is a remarkably complete inversion of reality.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 3 2024 14:00 utc | 263
There is no misunderstanding. What they say is only for their public, especially for Euro idiots. These are US-UK proxies like Ukr. They must say that to brainwash Ukros as well, they only see what the West allows them to see in MSM and the controlled internet they have. They see all these presidents, politicians, celebrities telling them the same thing. Zeli says they have only 80k losses, doesn’t he? It’s not a message for Russia, it’s 100% internal. On the Nato side Euro clowns are being prepared to fight exactly like Ukr did before them. First give their money to US, then go to Ukr in person. Russia’s smo filled with retreating, chaos and with little damage to Ukr, most being done in referendum regions where the smo takes place, was the perfect gift for Nato propaganda. “the strategists for Empire” wrote a script that worked for Ukr population, and it seems to work for Euro population so far. Continue to make fun of them and you’ll wake up one day like the losers taken from the streets of Odessa.

Posted by: rk | Dec 3 2024 14:52 utc | 263

rk @266: “There is no misunderstanding.”
Really? The desire of the West for a ceasefire is real, as they need a Minsk III to rebuild some fighting capacity in Ukropia, and to restock their armories. The effort to establish a ceasefire isn’t just for show. The West absolutely needs is. Their delusion is in thinking the Russians need a ceasefire more.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 3 2024 15:20 utc | 264

@ John Kaspar, §244:
Hopefully also Idlib soon gets a few oreshnik visits.
And Erdoğan gets the message his tightrope is fraying . . .

Posted by: John Marks | Dec 3 2024 17:37 utc | 265

NATO at this point is so desperate that is has launched the following failed inititatives:
– Attempting a color revolution in Georgia
– Attempting to bribe Vucic in Serbia
– Attempting for the eighth time to overthrow Assad in Syria
– Attempting a last minute US aid surge before DJT takes offices (the pipeline time is too short, it will fail)
NATO knows time is short and Volo the Scam Artist is doomed………

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 3 2024 18:02 utc | 266

It‘s not just partisan activity, it’s the copycat vandalism as well:

In Kharkiv, a 15-year-old boy completely burned down an electric train
A minor boy in Kharkiv opened the door of one of the electric trains with a homemade key and set it on fire.
This was reported by the Kharkiv Regional Prosecutor’s Office, reports RegioNews .
The prosecutor’s office notes that in this way the 15-year-old boy wanted to “have fun”.
“For hooligan reasons, using a pre-prepared key, I opened the door of one of the electric trains and got inside. Using a lighter, the teenager set fire to things that were in the car, which led to a fire,” the prosecutor’s office said.
The guy filmed his actions on video, and later these shots were made public by one of the Telegram channels.
Law enforcement officers identified the teenager. Now the issue of choosing a preventive measure is being resolved.
The damage caused by the fire is preliminarily estimated at more than 700 thousand hryvnias.
Earlier, the police and the SBU in Odessa detained three arsonists of administrative buildings, two of them teenagers.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/harkovshchina/1733215173-u-harkovi-15-richniy-hlopets-vshchent-spaliv-elektrichku (via translation add-on.)
That Prodigy song can be an invasive earworm…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2024 19:41 utc | 267

See this today?
This rag claim Russia is using human meat wave tactics.
A bit worrying the bit where they claim morgues are full and chaotic. Surely they wouldn’t make such an easily checked lying claim?
The thread is open to comments.
Please let me know what your opinions are and let them know:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/25/russia-ukraine-war-casualties-deaths-losses-soldiers-killed-meatgrinder-attacks/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Trending%20Articles%20Digest%20-%20120324&utm_term=general_marketing_no_site_visit_7day

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 3 2024 20:02 utc | 268

sorry, my mistake. that FP thread only open for comment if you pay to subscribe. I’d suspect they profit by printing the outrageously wrong – it excites comment so agitated they pay for the privilege…

Posted by: arthur brogard | Dec 3 2024 20:06 utc | 269

“The only real guarantee of security and deterrent for Russia is Ukraine’s full membership in NATO. With the bitter experience of the Budapest Memorandum behind us, we will not agree to any alternatives, surrogates or substitutes for this,” the Ministry wrote.
Posted by: guest | Dec 3 2024 7:54 utc | 245
I think it’s fundamental that Russia insists they be a member of NATO at the end of this. That’s the only way to neutralise it and get the USA out.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Dec 3 2024 20:19 utc | 270

The day of the last Ukrainian currently stands at June 4, 2025.
I don’t know whether to take this seriously.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 3 2024 21:58 utc | 271

There’s an interesting peace proposal called the Hamburg Peace Initiative:
https://hamburger-friedensinitiative.de/proposal-english
Has this been discussed here already (didn’t have the time to read the comments for quite some time)?

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 3 2024 22:27 utc | 272

@ Multipolar Panda | Dec 3 2024 22:27 utc | 275
Did you have time to read the “proposal” you’re linking here at least? More of the same exact lunacy every other one of this kind is, just phrased in more useless words to appear more “legitimate”.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 3 2024 22:38 utc | 273

I think it’s fundamental that Russia insists they be a member of NATO at the end of this. That’s the only way to neutralise it and get the USA out.
Posted by: arthur brogard | Dec 3 2024 20:19 utc | 273
Dear Arthur. Please do try to keep up. Did you not attend any of your history lessons in high school?
Putin has stated innumerable times that he wants to see the end of NATO and a whole new European Security Framework established where everyone vows not to attack anyone. Besides, Putin did once ask to join NATO. Clinton initially said “sounds like a good idea” to his face, but got kyboshed upon return home!
And even more elemental, NATO was a construct of the Cold War, an anti-Soviet bastion of paranoia that the USSR would march west and spread communism into “The Garden” — a completely superfluous concept since 1991. Why on earth would Russia possibly want to join an anti-Russian allegiance called NATO?
And another perverse misperception you hold: “NATO” is hardly likely to carry on on its own and “America leave Europe”. Lmao. It is America which supports NATO for its own interests. Iow, if America first left NATO, NATO would fold up and Europe would then make peace with Russia. Duh.
Please engage brain before putting keyboard into gear.

Posted by: Wtf | Dec 3 2024 22:48 utc | 274

NATO at this point is so desperate that is has launched the following failed inititatives:
– Attempting a color revolution in Georgia
– Attempting to bribe Vucic in Serbia
– Attempting for the eighth time to overthrow Assad in Syria
– Attempting a last minute US aid surge before DJT takes offices (the pipeline time is too short, it will fail)
NATO knows time is short and Volo the Scam Artist is doomed………
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 3 2024 18:02 utc | 269
Why on earth do you say NATO? These are clearly all the policies of the US State Dept. NATO has no troops involved in any one of these ops.

Posted by: Not-a-troll | Dec 3 2024 22:57 utc | 275

The day of the last Ukrainian currently stands at June 4, 2025.
I don’t know whether to take this seriously.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 3 2024 21:58 utc | 274
Might, That would be the day AFU wouldn’t be able to hold a 180k men line… and that with every able bodied man

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 3 2024 22:58 utc | 276

Judge Nap: Scott Ritter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96iFzYABE0w
“Ukraine nearing its end.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 2 2024 21:55 utc | 214
Oh ffs. Ritter and many other soothsayers have been saying that for 2 years. I guess if you keep saying it, one day it will come true.

Posted by: Wtf | Dec 3 2024 23:02 utc | 277

@ Wtf | Dec 3 2024 23:02 utc | 280
While it is a reasonable argument to start (leading to a discussion on why they are saying that and is it ultimately still correct), people making dismissive comments such as yours really should have a look in the mirror here.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 3 2024 23:06 utc | 278

There’s an interesting peace proposal called the Hamburg Peace Initiative:
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 3 2024 22:27 utc | 275
Interesting? Total bullshit. Fuck off agent provocateur. Referenda already happened and the two Republics and the two oblasts are now part of the Federation of Russia.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 23:36 utc | 279

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 3 2024 20:02 utc | 271
Fuck off agent provocateur!
Or are you so stupid to swallow that bullshit?

Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 23:41 utc | 280

@Multipolar Panda | Tue, 03 Dec 2024 22:27:00 GMT | 275

There’s an interesting peace proposal called the Hamburg Peace Initiative:
https://hamburger-friedensinitiative.de/proposal-english
Has this been discussed here already (didn’t have the time to read the comments for quite some time)?

DOA as it doesn’t address Russia’s core concerns. Allows Ukraine entry into NATO and returns Ukrainian oblasts (now Russian territory). Also, what is a state with “limited sovereignty.” They define it as “free and democratic” but Russia controls its external (read: foreign and defense) policy. That’s not a sovereign state, it’s the equivalent of Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Transnistria, or Abkhazia, so Russia might as well absorb them.

Posted by: James M. | Dec 3 2024 23:55 utc | 281

Posted by: James M. | Dec 3 2024 23:55 utc | 285
Ridiculous bullshit…One of the “initiators” is Bernd Lucke, a hardcore Neoliberal and founder of the “old AFD” in 2013/14…The poor idiots still don’t get it that the Russian Federation is winning the war and will dictate peace, one way or another…

Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 4 2024 0:07 utc | 282

Apparently earlier today: One of the adults in the room, Tucker Carlson reported that after trying in vain to interview with Zelensky (U.S. won’t let him, but said he can talk to CNN anytime).
Carlson points out that since Trump’s victory, the Biden regime has used the US military to launch missiles into Russia that have killed at least a dozen Russians.
So we’re in a hot war with Russia & MUCH closer to a nuclear war THAN EVER BEFORE — a war that would probably kill all of us.
There are no open channels between the US & Russia and haven’t been for 2+ years thanks to Mr. Blinken.
News Flash: Mr. Carlson went to Moscow & has interviewed the great, infallible, impeccable Sergey Lavrov— the recording is being processed & will soon be shared.
https://tuckercarlson.com/lavrov

Posted by: WillSeymour | Dec 4 2024 0:25 utc | 283

Excerpt from an article that gives a wider perspective on the conflict:


“Suppose you were a poor semi-literate Ukrainian lad (Ukrainian primary & secondary education is rather dismal) who’s been relentlessly brainwashed by American propaganda to irrationally hate the Russians to the point of insanity? Being assessed to be non compos mentis would make the poor lad a poor candidate to stand trial for war crimes.
“Or how about a father of a family who had been gang-pressed into the Ukrainian military while his family was being held as hostages by the Kiev regime & would have been badly mistreated should he have refused to follow the regime’s criminal orders? A prosecutor would argue that a war crime is still a war crime, whether committed under duress or not, & that following criminal orders is itself a crime, but a jury might vacillate on rendering a guilty verdict.
“…How about the US officials who thought up the brilliant plan to turn the Ukraine into an anti-Russia & to use the poor unwitting Ukrainians as cannon fodder to throw at Russia in a failed attempt to fatally weaken or, ideally, to destroy it? For them, truly medieval methods of torture & humiliation unavoidably spring to some people’s minds.
It is important to understand the mindset of the average hard-working Putin supporters who made Russia great again. On Russian TV, talk shows discussing the use of nuclear weapons to destroy America have become noticeably more popular of late. Destroying America, experts tell the viewers, is just not that hard.
All you have to do is take out four major seaports using relatively tiny tactical nukes… & then just wait a month or two. Since the US no longer makes even half of what it needs to survive, including food, it wouldn’t persist too long after that. That is, it will still exist, as many truly miserable countries do, but not as a country for Russia, or the rest of the world, to worry about, or so these experts assure the audience. But there is still some unease about the danger of starting a big bad nuclear war.
Other experts are happy to report that the US is on its last legs in any case & a combination of factors, some financial, some physical, will deal it a coup de grace soon enough without having to risk starting a big bad nuclear war…

“The first task is for Russia to win on the battlefield — then will come the punishment. War crimes have no jurisdictional boundaries & no statutes of limitations. Each war crime has a name, a rank & a serial number.
-Dmitry Orlov’: “War & Punishment” 6/20/24
===

Posted by: WillSeymour | Dec 4 2024 0:28 utc | 284

Posted by: boneless | Dec 3 2024 22:38 utc | 276
Shut the fuck up asshole. I did ask a simple question.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 0:36 utc | 285

Interesting? Total bullshit. Fuck off agent provocateur. Referenda already happened and the two Republics and the two oblasts are now part of the Federation of Russia.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 3 2024 23:36 utc | 283
And another one. Jesus, you guys here seem to have lost it in the last couple of weeks…

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 0:39 utc | 286

It’s really getting time that somebody nukes something so that this dumb planet with it’s dumb humans vanishes once and for all.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 0:41 utc | 287

@ Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 0:36 utc | 289
You asked a simple question, I gave a genuine answer. Now you’re complaining about receiving an answer to your question and telling me I shouldn’t be answering you. Anything else I’m missing?
I do appreciate you actually replying and not disappearing into the either like most of those with similar inquiries. An answer to your question has a chance to not be something you like to hear, you know.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 4 2024 0:42 utc | 288

Posted by: boneless | Dec 4 2024 0:42 utc | 293
Bla bla bla, learn to read, idiot. Has it been discussed here? No, yes and if the latter: link?
What you did was attacking me, not giving an answer. And I’m long enough here to know about the trolls and agent provocateurs, and i thought that people now my name and that I’m not part of it but hey… looks like you’re all 80 years old with a brain like Biden.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 0:49 utc | 289

@ Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 0:49 utc | 295
It’s amusing to receive reading comprehension accusations from those oblivious to their hypocrisy. Relax, being wrong about things is okay, sometimes. Like about people caring about your internet name, or noticing you around. Or anything else you’ve said.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 4 2024 0:57 utc | 290

Posted by: WillSeymour | Dec 4 2024 0:25 utc | 287
I can smell betrayal by the Kremlin…very, very alarming.
https://youtu.be/7p5E9qJfI3g?si=id2n3Rgu9lfDlNdO

Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 4 2024 1:13 utc | 291

Boneless,
Seeing people jump on the word “interesting”, expecting an agent provocateur, tells one everything one needs to know.
Anyway, in which universe does “interesting” equal “good” or something like that? I was genuinely interested if it had been discussed already. Why? Because all of the US & EU empire goons are looking to come up with some strategy to save the last pieces of their big pile of shit, see the latest of Simplicius.
And since these things don’t get created in a vacuum, especially when there are people of AfD connected to it, I think it is worth to look into it, especially after some AfD people went to Russia recently.
Remember, that’s the party with the 2nd most votes in any recent election there… anyway, my personal opinion is that Putin won’t (and shouldn’t) settle for something like that. I guess we are all on the same page here.
Anyway, you people should really work on your communication strategy. I don’t think you will win people over with that kind of childish agent provocateur accusation as soon as someone is presenting something which isn’t what you want to read about.
I’m off again and will stay off. B’s postings are top notch as ever but the commentariat: not so much anymore 🙁 where’s James, karlof1? Did you get rid of them with your disgusting attacks?

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 1:20 utc | 292

Oh, and if it’s still not clear: my advice for Putin would be to NOT settle for anything which depends on some signature on some worthless piece of paper.
The only real solution is the death of NATO and a completely revamped security arrangement in Europe, if not global. That’s the bare minimum in my personal opinion.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Dec 4 2024 1:29 utc | 293

@299
Demise of NATO is certain, a matter of time. Techtonic shift is in motion.
WRT what RF gets in current SMO. See the techtonic shift….
Patience is a virtue, as is never interrupting your enemy while they go down a corrupt sinkhole.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 4 2024 1:38 utc | 294

@Multipolar Panda | Wed, 04 Dec 2024 01:20:00 GMT | 298

Anyway, you people should really work on your communication strategy. I don’t think you will win people over with that kind of childish agent provocateur accusation as soon as someone is presenting something which isn’t what you want to read about.

I gave it a read at least, and a fair critique. It is about the minimum some low-level Russian MFA bureaucrat will do before dismissing the Hamburg proposal outright. I suspect no peace proposal will work until Ukraine cries uncle and concedes to Russian demands, all of them.

Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 1:48 utc | 295

Paddy – 300 – yes, true, the SMO grinds on daily now, with everlasting gains on all fronts………the Kursk UAF salient has become a huge death trap for the Ukronazis, and threat of the next Hazel strike hangs over all their heads………
Volo is done as dinner, stick a fork in his greasy little body………

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 4 2024 2:37 utc | 296

In “honor” of our commenter providing us daily details of line of engagement ZH has a posting up with the title of
Visualizing Ukraine’s Collapsing Front Lines Amid The Steady Russian Onslaught
It even has a linked video showing the lines move over time if you really want to orgasm about this shit….grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 4 2024 4:16 utc | 297

Daily DS update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4324126/32.0581055
Overall analysis: Good day for the RFA with ~27.4 kmsq taken. (Compare to 24+/day in NOV.) All progress in S Donetsk, but not just the extreme S. Activity resuming near Pokrovsk. Note the two Oskil crossings (N of Kupiansk) are in process of being driven back by the UFA.
S to N:
1. 16.8 kmsq S of and extending into Sukhi Yaly. S side of Uspenivka pocket area.
2. 1.9 kmsq S of and extengding into Kostiantynopolske. S side of Uspenivka pocket area. Along with (1), this development cuts the supply road to the row of towns from Uspenivka extending SE, and thus threatens closing the pocket of all towns S of Dalnie.
3. 0.1 kmsq in SE Kurakhove.
4. 0.4 kmsq in NE Kurakhove and the water. Progress in K town remains slow, albiet better than Toretsk or Chasiv Yar. RFA is still mopping up the residential area in the E and has not gotten to the high rises or the industrial areas yet.
5. 1.9 kmsq S of Pushkine. (W-ward moving Pokrovsk prep area).
6. 8.3 kmsq N of Hryhorivka. (N-ward moving Pokrovsk prep.)
7. ~negative 2 kmsq at the N of Kupiansk Oksil River crossing. (The slightly S crossing remains, but is in the process of being driven back. Lost some area day before, had not noticed.)

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 4 2024 4:38 utc | 298

304, psycho:
Not into that sort of techno dance video stuff. Hate it on the kill videos also. If you have an audio track, use it for analysis and explication, not cheerleader fistpumping for the lowest common denominator.
FWIW, the pace of advance remains quite slow on an overall basis. Even in the video you showed, the effect was magnified by zooming in on the south Donetsk. If you look at the overall front, the change becomes smaller. If you look at the whole country, it’s extremely small.
I do credit the RFA with the whole “acceleration” thing. But it’s still far from collapsing lines. Far from a rout. Far from maneuver warfare. If that changes, will note it. But it still hasn’t.
Also, of course, if we have a month where rate of advance goes down I will note that also. And fully expect the cheerleader types to pivot to muh attrition cope at that stage. (Basically whichever side is doing worse at territory tends to emphasize the muh attrition cope more. Right now you are hearing it more from UFA and from people like ISW.)

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 4 2024 4:59 utc | 299

@Not-a-troll | Wed, 04 Dec 2024 04:08:00 GMT | 303

Despite its warning, Oreshnik has, of yet, made no functional difference other than as a strategic warning to the West.

And that’s not significant? You don’t think Western states (definitely not NATO) won’t rethink their calculus when it comes to Ukraine, due to Oreshnik? I guarantee you it will give them some pause.

Posted by: James M. | Dec 4 2024 5:03 utc | 300