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December 1, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-288

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Wuups. That’d be Banderstan™©®

Posted by: Fubar El Haq | Dec 2 2024 0:53 utc | 101

Posted by: boneless | Dec 2 2024 0:29 utc | 97
Yes they are,
Great emphasis is being put on small unit leaders to make sure their troops adhere to strict concealment routines.
Units themselves are devolving responsibilities and increasing their footprint.
SOP’s are changing so that any contact whilst moving is treated as hard and an immediate withdrawal is initiated.
The route taken to advance to the battle area is now seen as the most important part of any mission with a far greater emphasis in terrain v’s aerial surveillance.
Conflicts are being revisited where Western aerial superiority was not decisive in eventual victory because of the indigenous populations adaptations to it and lessons learned are being extrapolated. The most valuable being that you keep your eyes to the sky, not just the ground. A profound shift in attitudes
NATO trainers do not mean NATO trained. The accelerated course the Ukrainians are going through is a name-only affair. They are being prepared to fight this conflict, not the next.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 0:55 utc | 102

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 1 2024 23:43 utc | 92
> we have that situation now in Nikopol and Energodar and in the Kherson region.
Ah, so you live in Nikopol, or across the pond in Energodar?
Eagerly waiting for the Russian World, or already enjoying it?
How is the situation there? No water in Nikopol and no power in Energodar?

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 2 2024 0:57 utc | 103

Posted by: Lengai | Dec 2 2024 0:22 utc | 95
> As the ‘good book’ asks, why do you pay such attention to the mote of dust in your brother’s eye but overlook the boulder in your own?
The boulder in my eye is on my brother to pay attention to. That is what brothers do, they look after each other.
So you really think that the ‘good book’ advocates that everybody should just mind their own business?
The main protagonist of the book was not shy to pass his judgements left right and center on just everything and everyone around him. Even on fig trees.

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 2 2024 1:12 utc | 104

You’re making a complete dumbfuck out of yourself…It’s NOT THE NUMBER of (neo)-Nazis, neither absolute nor relative, but WHERE and HOW they have been
PLACED IN SOCIETY…
Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 2 2024 0:29 utc | 98
Well put. Of course, every country has a few nazi idiots.
As for Ukraine, the ones who were in Svoboda, or associated with them bear careful watching until they die. Among many others, I hope somebody is keeping an eye on Yuri Mykhailyshyn (from their Lviv branch who founded the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Centre) and anyone seen hanging around with him.

Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Dec 2 2024 1:23 utc | 105

Posted by: visitor | Dec 1 2024 23:24 utc | 88
Thanks, that is the reference I was looking for, Is there a source/link?

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Dec 2 2024 1:39 utc | 106

Not sure if this is a real photo, but if, then it looks like a big hole. And if there were several of these…
https://news-pravda.com/ukraine/2024/11/26/879183.html
Posted by: nevetz | Dec 1 2024 21:08 utc | 62
Fkn rubbish.
Get a brain.
Do a reverse image search.
It’s a potash mine.
Bomb holes don’t look anything like that with nice straight sides, you moron.
Where’s all the rubble which filled it?
And which man is now permitted to stand inside a Yushmash hole while the photo was taken.
You’re a fkn troll idiot.

Posted by: Wtf | Dec 2 2024 1:52 utc | 107

I have one hope.
If Trump wants to survive the next bullet and get inaugurated and get his nominations through the neocon dominated political system, what better way to do it than what he’s doing now?
He knows what happened last time. He was thwarted and shafted at every turn. His time around is sure could be worse with inauguration street riots or some other last minute desperate trick from his opponents. Surely he must have thought hard about how to avoid the Russia Russia Russia and Putin’s Puppet tactic and if he did speak out before inauguration that would really cause him grief.
So while we’re gnashing our teeth at his apparent pivot from electioneering promises, his neocon opponents are feeling smugger than ever and may just feel comfortable enough to believe he’ll continue on the course it seems to us he is on.
“IF” and it’s a big if, if his nominees are loyal – and commentators seem to think that of them – then as an installed POTUS Trump has more power pivot back, especially if he’s got some sort of back-channel contact with Putin that has allowed them to come to some sort of in principle framework to stop the Ukraine conflict.

Posted by: Saul Goode | Dec 2 2024 2:31 utc | 108

The Owl | Dec 1 2024 16:20 utc | 15
With the missile strike, what Putin has said about it in speeches will be the best source of information. It is something the Americans have no information on and there intel was that bad they did not know it was even being built so Russia will be keeping much information close to there chest.
The other source of information is the eye witnesses that saw the scene early on the next day. The BBC run an article just after the strike and well before a narrative has been created in which they repeated what an eye witness had said about the said. A couple of similar accounts from eye witnesses also found their way into Russian media.
I think it was at the emergency Nato meeting that the American set the narrative for the strike.
As for day to day news, its often a waste of time and better seen in hindsite when they can be seen in context with other events. Day to day news of the frontlines is also a waste of time as this conflict is not about taking territory for the Russians. the only thing of any value their is the casualty rate rate and the casualty ratio.
A lot mor more Ukroids are now deserting as the blocking detachments have been moved to Kursk which the American have ordered the to hold at all costs for the remainder of the Biden term.
Center stage though may already be moving to Syria in preparation for Trumps war on Iran and China. A strike on Iran would be a strike on China, especially if a war shuts down the Persian gulf. China is the worlds largest import of oil and energy in general and skyrocketing energy prices would greatly affect China’s economy.
But mostly its just a matter of waiting for the inauguration to see what the realist/nationalist faction do do. Wars revolve around american elections. And the only thing that changes with an Amercan election is who is the prefered target to make war against.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2024 2:42 utc | 109

Posted by: Saul Goode | Dec 2 2024 2:31 utc | 109

Boring. Non Americans spewing opinions.
Lincoln set the standard – now all precedent by the way, whereas he was creating it from scratch.
It’s pretty simple really: declare some/all parts of the federal government in rebellion; a state of insurrection.
Call forth the militia- all 100m americans; throw open the national guard amories. BMG 50s for all the neighborhoods.
Fire everyone above 1 star. Promote heads of seals, delta to jcos. Arrest all fbi, cia, nsa.
It can be done, would succeed. But it’s still too early. Trump is merely play acting the part that will come when the shit gets real.

Posted by: Markw | Dec 2 2024 3:44 utc | 110

Posted by: Vargas | Dec 1 2024 22:13 utc | 70
“If you don’t give a shit about preferred pronouns, what does it matter who is president?”
Because Kamala and Tampon Tim want to put us in jail or fire usfor using the wrong pronouns or complaining about our kids being transitioned against our will. If you want to go full rainbow, leave me out of it. I don’t want to be forced to pay for it and I don’t want to play your stupid pronoun games. With Trump as president I can still say what I think without being thrown in jail.

Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 2 2024 4:42 utc | 111

Here is an article that was published in the journal “Nature”.
“Identifying attacks in the Russia–Ukraine conflict using seismic array data”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06416-7
So there should be some clues about the recent attack at Yuzhmash.
In the following article, people described the earth moving as if there had been an earthquake.
“In fact, Russia presented a “missile ultimatum” — the Anglo-Saxons were in a silent trance for the 3rd day”
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/11/24/in-fact-russia-presented-a-missile-ultimatum-the-anglo-saxons-were-in-a-silent-trance-for-the-3rd-day
“On November 21, the Ukrainian plant (Soviet-built, of course) Yuzhmash was subjected to an unprecedented attack by an unknown weapon at that time: fiery drops, almost without explosions, SOMETHING was falling from the sky. As residents of Dnepropetrovsk tell us now, there were practically no explosions, but the earth’s vibrations, as during an earthquake, were felt a kilometer from the plant — this was especially surprising: explosions are almost inaudible, and the earth shudders be healthy!”

Posted by: nevetz | Dec 2 2024 5:06 utc | 112

Throughout the western media’s non-stop bait-and-switch offers and Uncle-Remus-style “NOOOOOO Putin, don’t take advantage of this-here incredible deal, it would be so bad for us!!” crocodile tears, Russia has steadily maintained a uniform position; no deals, Ukraine must surrender unconditionally, no trading away any of the eastern territories which cost Russian blood to capture…and most firmly of all, no NATO. Not part of Ukraine in NATO and part maybe-later, not no-NATO-now-but-NATO-in-20-years, no NATO.
NATO membership rules are clear that you cannot apply for membership if you have a hot war ongoing – the dispute must be settled diplomatically, and that settlement will be part of the review process when you are invited to apply. Which means, obviously, no consideration while you still are at war, and I have my doubts if even a ceasefire would be considered resolution, as fighting could break out again at any moment. You cannot apply uninvited, and despite the west’s insistence that someday Ukraine WILL be in NATO, there is no application under review and Ukraine has not been invited to apply.
Once the war is somehow settled and over, NATO will have to consider what it would entail to accept a membership application from the poorest country in Europe even before it got seven kinds of shit knocked out of it and had most of its infrastructure irreparably wrecked; a country whose population has dwindled to about half what it was pre-war and which has consequently lost more than half of its taxation base as many of those who remain are too elderly to either leave or pay taxes, which has lived on western handouts for more than two years now and whose massive tracts of agricultural land would entitle it to further annual billions from the EU, or else a complete repeal of the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Gee….tough call. Not.

Posted by: Mark | Dec 2 2024 5:22 utc | 113

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2024 23:15 utc | 87
“Muslims don’t believe Jesus was killed. If you think about it, there is no need for an all-knowing and almighty Good to create a “son” in order to forgive sins. It sounds like a bad movie plot, not the work of the divine.”
Jesus wasn’t created, he was pre-existing but chose to take on human form in order to pay a debt. For God to forgive (not overlook) without going against His justice, someone had to pay the debt.
C.S. Lewis said “Reality, in fact, is usually something you could not have guessed. That is one of the reasons I believe Christianity. It is a religion you could not have guessed. If it offered us just the kind of universe we had always expected, I should feel we were making it up. But, in fact, it is not the sort of thing anyone would have made up. It has just that queer twist about it that real things have. So let us leave behind all these boys’ philosophies—these over-simple answers. The problem is not simple and the answer is
not going to be simpler either.”
And I would add that if your God is confined to the limits of your imagination then maybe your God is too small.

Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 2 2024 5:36 utc | 114

Trump Slams ‘Shocking’ Pardon of Hunter Biden
https://www.rt.com/news/608538-trump-slams-hunter-biden-pardon/
“…According to the White House, the pardon applies to all offenses that were or may have been committed between January 1, 2014 and Dec 1, 2024.
This period covers accusations by Republicans that Hunter Biden acted as ‘a bagman’ on behalf of his father during allegedly illicit business dealings in China and Ukraine.”
‘Shine Perishing Republic’…

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 2 2024 5:38 utc | 115

Posted by: Markw | Dec 2 2024 3:44 utc | 111
“Fire everyone above 1 star. Promote heads of seals, delta to jcos. Arrest all fbi, cia, nsa.”
That would be a great start, but what would he do on his second day in office?

Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 2 2024 5:51 utc | 116

Here is an article that was published in the journal “Nature”.
“Identifying attacks in the Russia–Ukraine conflict using seismic array data”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06416-7
Posted by: nevetz | Dec 2 2024 5:06 utc | 113
Approximately 100 km northwest of Kyiv, Ukraine, the IMS has a seismic array operated by the Ukrainian National Data Centre. The intended design was for the detection of nuclear tests at teleseismic distances (>3,300 km)

We identify a range of seismoacoustic signals associated with various types of military attack, with the resulting catalogue of explosions far exceeding the number of publicly reported attacks. Our results demonstrate that seismic data can be an effective tool for objective monitoring of a continuing conflict, providing invaluable information about potential breaches of international law.

This threshold value was chosen to be deliberately low to ensure a high detection level. … this threshold also generates many false positive… To reduce the number of false positives, we remove all triggers that have locations originating in Belarus

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 2 2024 6:30 utc | 117

But the pressure on Ursula Fond-of Lying´s Fourth Reich is building, especially in France.
“Populists are the leading party in Austria, Hungary and Slovakia have already liberated themselves.
Britain & Ireland are seething under the surface and Germany´s government will fall in the New Year.
Italy is also restive but Spain still highly divided, but the tide has turned against these undemocratic western governments.
Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 22:55 utc | 81
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Well, you’ve given all the reasons why Biden and the USA are promoting war in Europe so much…that means wanting and having to escalate the war with Russia at any cost.
Because they’re losing Europe!
They’ve already lost Africa, or almost.
The Asian region is rising up.
But:
At the moment, with the Ukraine war, Europe has the best conditions to destroy itself, with the effect…it was done by the Russians…perhaps survivors would be dependent on the USA again, 1945 would be repeated.
But at the moment Europe is turning away from the USA and if it should come to an agreement?? becoming an enemy.
That’s why it must now escalate on the altar against Russia and the slaves of Europe (politicians) will do everything they can to save their own asses.

Posted by: ossii | Dec 2 2024 7:12 utc | 118

Forcing them to retreat to the bridges is kind of akin to forcing the BEF into the Dunkirk salient in 1940, forcing a mass and chaotic evacuation (Germans blew or allowed the salient to exist, take your pick).
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 1 2024 22:41
forcing the BEF into the Dunkirk?????
NO WAY; they were allowed to escape to Dunkirk (by Hitler).
General von Kleist had this to say;

“I must say that the English managed to escape that trap in Dunkirk, which I had so carefully laid, only with the personal help of Hitler. There was a channel from Arras to Dunkirk. I had already crossed this channel and my troops occupied the heights which jutted out over Flanders. Therefore, my panzer group had complete control of Dunkirk and the area in which the British were trapped. The fact of the matter is that the English would have been unable to get into Dunkirk because I had them covered. Then Hitler personally ordered that I should withdraw my troops from these heights.” Why had Hitler ordered this? “Hitler thought it was too risky. It was nonsense; those orders of Hitler’s in those days. We could have wiped out the British army completely or taken the whole army as captive if it weren’t for the stupid order of Hitler. The proof of it is that three days later the English occupied the heights and I was obliged to attack them again to take them back. The masses of English troops, however, had already reached Dunkirk and were escaping in small boats. The sad part of it is that I could have captured the whole English army, or such a great part of it, at any rate, that an invasion of England would have been a simple affair.”

Posted by: Ripple | Dec 2 2024 7:13 utc | 119

Europe was never so unified like it is now unified against Russia.
It is one body and one soul full of hate.
It is terrifying.

Posted by: Salmon | Dec 2 2024 7:33 utc | 120

It is one body and one soul full of hate.
Posted by: Salmon | Dec 2 2024 7:33 utc | 121

With the French government set to fall from a lack of confidence this Wednesday, and the German government broken beyond repair it looks like Europeans hate their rulers more than they hate Russia.
Certainly Europeans’ hate of Russia isn’t enough to keep their leaders in power.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 2 2024 7:46 utc | 121

Europe was never so unified like it is now unified against Russia.
It is one body and one soul full of hate.
It is terrifying.
Posted by: Salmon | Dec 2 2024 7:33 utc | 121

Excuse me, what makes you say this? What is Europe, then? Do you mean politicians? Or libtards brainwashed with MSM?
Talking about “Europe unified” is pure joke, bonkers idea.

Posted by: Jergus Lapin | Dec 2 2024 8:10 utc | 122

Could someone be so kind as to provide some reading suggestions on the 2008 Russo-Gergian war?
Context/history/results
Posted by: TG1 | Dec 1 2024 22:41 utc | 77

Disclaimer: I have never researched any part of this war in its particulars. The points I am about to offer are just my fuzzy recollections, and any serious scholar or resident of the area could/will call me out for accidental mistakes or just plain ignorance on my part. I apologize in advance.
The Georgians (and Armenians next door, and some of the local ethnicities) have apparently been living in their respective regions since before the Bronze Age. Many of the other ethnicities effectively “washed-up” on the Caucasus as a result of 2000 years of East-to-West steppe migrations.
(For example, the Ossetians are descendents of the (Iranic) Alans, most of whom were neighbors / invaders of the Roman Empire during the first 500 years AD. Most of the Alans eventually dissolved into the Empire by 534 AD, yet here in the Caucasus are the descendents of some of them.)
There are 10’s (20? 30? …) of ethnicities & enclaves in the immediate vicinity of the Caucasus Mountains. In particular, the north-slope of the Caucasus has the following sequence (West to East) of Autonomous Republics still part of the Russian Federation:
1. Adygea (enclave surrounded by Krasnodar Kray)
2. Karachay-Cherkessia
3. Kabardino-Balkaria
4. NORTH_Ossetia-Alania
5. Ingushetia
6. Chechnya
7. Dagestan
If you start researching any one of these Autonomous Republics, in many of them you will find more than one nominal (non-Russian) ethnicity. Dagestan in particular speaks over 30 languages.
South of the Caucasus, within the “logical” borders of Georgia (as defined by the big valley that completely encompasses Georgia), there are also the following non-Georgian ethnic regions: (West to East)
8. Abkhazia
9. SOUTH_Ossetia (same ethnicity as NORTH_Ossetia, but south of the Caucasus ridge).
(Here I get really lazy, because I have not researched this area & history to any great extent.)
My reading of the Wars in and around the Caucasus during the 20-naughts (Russo-Chechen & Russo-Georgian) is that “somebody” (CIA/MI6) was f***ing around inflaming ethnic tensions to destabilize the area, because that’s just was “they” (CIA/MI6) do.
In the case of the Russo-Georgian war, “someone” probably encouraged Georgia to MGGA (Make Georgia Georgian Again) — ie; to make life unpleasant for ethnic minorities… probably “Become Georgian or Get Out!!” This would make the Abkhazians and South_Ossetians unwelcome in “their own lands”. During Soviet times, Abkhazia, South_Ossetia, (and Adzharia (“muslim Georgians”)) were recognized as autonomous sub-regions of the GSSR (Georgian Soviet Republic — one of the 15 constituent (top-level) republics of the USSR).
Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation, so when Russia ended that war, they just worked out a deal with the Chechens which guaranteed their autonomy, language, religion, and turned the Chechens into some of the fiercest defenders of the RF.
In the case of the Russo-Georgian war, Russia (I believe) stepped in to stop a Georgian government from infringing on the rights of Abkhazians and South_Ossetians. Status of Abkhazia and South_Ossetia is currently ambiguous, with Russia & only 4 other nations (Venezuela, Nicaragua, Nauru, & Syria) recognizing their independence from Georgia.
Note how these situations are exactly parallel to the post-2014 situation in the Donbass: “someone” (CIA/MI6 + “Cookies” Nuland) inflames local ethnic differences to destabilize a region or country. In the Donbass vs. Banderastan conflict, ethnic Russians were made illegal on the territories of “Ukraine”.
Watch this same tired thread being run also in parallel in
Estonia (24% Russian),
Latvia (24% Russian), &
Lithuania (5% Russian).
Compare with the “Balkanization” of Yugoslavia (Croats vs Serbs vs Bosnians & Kosavars; and Catholics vs Orthodox vs Muslims)
It’s tragic, because is too often works.

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 2 2024 8:13 utc | 123

ossi 119
Good observations.
The Trump presidency will achieve a level of isolation of the USA like nothing ever seen before.
It will be as if the USA is on another planet.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 2 2024 9:44 utc | 124

Not just Kiev, but also Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Dneprodzerzhinsk, and Kremenchuk, and often those cities are not really divisible, i.e. power plants would be on one side of the river, waste water treatment on the other, etc. You know the Ukies will shut down access to whatever is on their side out of spite – because that is exactly what they have done every time in the past (Crimea most famously, but also Donetsk has no water for a third year in a row now because they shut it down the moment they no longer had to keep water supply to Mariupol going).
And it is not a recipe for peace in any way, of course – we have that situation now in Nikopol and Energodar and in the Kherson region. Sure, serious land invasion is impossible, but so is normal life, because drones and projectiles are lobbed across the river all the time.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 1 2024 23:43 utc | 92
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Well, that’s why I don’t understand why some people here think that Putin could stop once the new territories are conquered and are safe.
(Which they will NEVER be as long as there is a remaining Ukraine with Western connections.)
When everyone here is listing the exact reasons why Putin CAN and will ONLY accept a capitulation.
The West (NATO) knows all this too, but tells the public their fairy tale about the ceasefire and the freeze…knowing full well that it will NEVER be accepted and will NEVER work.
So they’re doing nothing other than fooling their own population.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 9:56 utc | 125

Posted by: ossii | Dec 2 2024 7:12 utc | 119

Well, you’ve given all the reasons why Biden and the USA are promoting war in Europe so much…that means wanting and having to escalate the war with Russia at any cost.
Because they’re losing Europe!

I don’t see it that way. There are growing alternative factions coming from the Left and the Right in various Euro states but these two factions are not united and each one not big enough to make a difference. So liberals (center-left or center-right) will continue to form governments and follow the USA like groupies follow a rock band. The new American admin will make it harder but euros will continue to follow America in all major issues of economics and geopolitics.
The USA will lose Europe only when the USA itself suffers a major economic disaster due to the combo of de-dollarization and enormous public and private debt.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 2 2024 10:12 utc | 126

The main question of the next months will be : how much will Russia sacrifice in order to have the ceasefire it needs ?
My predictions, based on the current assessment of the situation :
> Russia will have to compromise. Given that it is unable to expel Ukraine from the border region in Kursk, it will have to sacrifice something in return for evacuation.
> Quite logically, this means Russia will have to bargain one of the four oblasts. It will be either : freezing along the current LOC, or agreeing for abandoning completely the Zaporozhie oblast, in exchange for maybe keeping Donetsk and Luhansk oblast.
> Even that is doubtful : why would Ukraine willingly cede the rest of the Donetsk oblast ? Luhansk maybe, it’s hardly defensible. But with the current pace of advances, Ukraine could easily keep parts of the Donetsk oblast 1 or 2 years. Ukraine + NATO have shown they have enough resources to last for the long haul.
All in all, my predictions are that Russia will concede :
> One at least of the four oblasts
> Probably abandon a “de jure” recognition and satisfy itself with a de facto recognition, over 10 years.
> It will probably do some concessions on Crimea, limited demilitarization
> It will accept stationing of NATO troops in Ukraine, and a timeline for Ukraine accession to NATO.
> It will evacuate the Kharkov region and abandon it completely
> I would guess it will agree to place the Energodar nuclear plant as a kind of neutral / shared property with Ukraine
This could enable Russia to keep the land bridge to Crimea, and maybe its conquests west of Donetsk.
And that’s only a limited list.
It will be a bad deal. It will give NATO enough time to rearm Ukraine, so that a few years down the line NATO can mount a surprise offensive, just like in Syria currently. Russia will then act all surprised (fooled again !), Zakharova and Lavrov will wag their fingers, complain about it, ask UN to intervene, the whole nine yards.
In the meantime ZAnon will blare everywhere, including on this forum, that it’s a great deal, that Russia has successfully demilitarized Ukraine, that NATO troops in Ukraine is no big deal and that it’s only a bunch of fat trannies. They will simply erase all their previous confident declarations about conquering Odessa or going to the Polish border and pretend they never said it, or that it was disinfo put out by the 6th column

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 10:31 utc | 127

Well, that’s why I don’t understand why some people here think that Putin could stop once the new territories are conquered and are safe.
(Which they will NEVER be as long as there is a remaining Ukraine with Western connections.)
When everyone here is listing the exact reasons why Putin CAN and will ONLY accept a capitulation.
The West (NATO) knows all this too, but tells the public their fairy tale about the ceasefire and the freeze…knowing full well that it will NEVER be accepted and will NEVER work.
So they’re doing nothing other than fooling their own population.
Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 9:56 utc | 126

Putin will stop, simply put, because he’s running out of cash and soldiers. With every day the Russian army becomes brittle, while Russian position in the world is frittered away (you just wait until the Russians have to evacuate Khmeimim, I bet you it will happen).
Russia needs this ceasefire. They’ll just accept whatever facesaving measure the West will toss at it, like a good dog. Russian oligarchs want to make profits again and get rid of those pesky sanctions.
Also, it’s consistent with past behaviour. Whenever NATO has bared its teeth, Russia has backed down. They have never dared touching the SDF or the Al-Tanf base in Syria, they have agreed everywhere to atrocious deals. They know their place : to be a gracious loser while appearing to provider some token resistance.

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 10:35 utc | 128

My predictions (…)
Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 10:31 utc | 128 & 129
Completely delusional NAFO tier garbage. Look at the date, it is not 2014.

Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 2 2024 10:39 utc | 129

Well, that’s why I don’t understand why some people here think that Putin could stop once the new territories are conquered and are safe. (Which they will NEVER be as long as there is a remaining Ukraine with Western connections.)
Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 9:56 utc | 126
You forgot the third and most plausible option (based on all RF actions from earlier than 2014 and up to today): getting bombed is the new normal, they will never be safe. They could move to Kiev though, it’s the safest city outside Amerika. Or is it inside? Clearly Kursk is outside Russia but I’m not sure where Kiyyiyv is.

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2024 10:42 utc | 130

by Anti-Spiegel
December 2, 2024 10:00 a.m.
The situation in the USA is currently confusing. Preparations for Trump’s inauguration are underway in Washington, and his team is increasingly filled with hawks who have unrealistic proposals for Ukraine and would probably prefer to continue the fight against Russia. In addition, Trump is now making open threats against the BRICS and wants to maintain the USA’s global supremacy at all costs.
The events of the last week were extremely interesting, which is why I translated the correspondent report from the USA that Russian television broadcast on Sunday in its weekly news review.
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After the Russian response with the “Oreshnik”, Biden is in a fog of strategic uncertainty
Many are wondering why Donald Trump, who is always so verbose, has not commented on the Russian attack on the Dnieper with the latest “Oreshnik” to date, not even after 10 days. He talked so much about Ukraine, about how he would end the conflict quickly. And now – nothing.
At the press conference in Astana, Vladimir Putin was asked about Trump and he answered:
“But as far as I imagine the newly elected president, he is, after all, an intelligent and quite experienced person, and it seems to me that he will find a solution, especially after going through such, let’s say, a difficult test as the fight to return to the White House. You know, I think what impressed you most was not even the fact that in the fight against Trump absolutely uncivilized means were used, absolutely uncivilized, up to attempted murder, more than once. By the way, in my opinion, even now he is not safe. Yes, what? There have been all sorts of different cases in the history of the United States. I think that he is an intelligent and, I hope, cautious person who understands all this. But what impressed me even more was that not only was he himself subjected to humiliating, unfounded trials, accusations and so on in the course of the attacks on him, in the course of the fight against him, but there were also attacks on him and his family members, his children. Even bandits don’t do that here. When criminal groups fight among themselves, they don’t touch women and children, they leave them alone, the men fight among themselves. But they touched them, you understand? This is so disgusting that it once again shows the entire decline of the current American political system.”
Our correspondent reports from the USA.
After the attack on Russia with Western missiles was approved and Russia responded with the “Oreshnik”, Biden disappeared in the fog of “strategic uncertainty”. The president’s silence is covered up by information noise from official Washington. They try to pretend nothing happened, but they quickly learned the Russian word “Oreshnik”.
“Oreshnik, the new ballistic missile, is definitely a problem. Much of Western Europe is at risk if the missile is launched from Western Russia,” said retired US Air Force Colonel Cedric Leighton.
That the answer to the US ATACMS could be a Russian “Oreshnik” or an even more powerful weapon has been feared in the US since the first days of the conflict in Ukraine. That is why Biden delayed the decision to fire its long-range missiles at Russia until the last minute, i.e. until after the presidential election. And after the outgoing administration gave in in the dispute with Trump and saw the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces, it lit the fuse: within a few weeks it pushed the level of escalation to the extreme.
“We will continue to support Ukraine,” said US State Department spokesman Miller.
The outgoing administration is rushing to give Kiev the rest of the promised weapons worth six billion dollars as a farewell. Biden is asking Congress for an additional $24 billion in budget funds to continue the war. Knowing what reaction this will provoke from the Americans, the US president is submitting the request for the allocation of funds to Kyiv in secret.
But the documents were leaked to the press, and they say: “The new tranche of emergency aid from the Pentagon will be used to purchase weapons and equipment for Ukraine and replenish US weapons stocks. Two-thirds of the requested funds, $16 billion, are earmarked for replenishing US weapons stocks. The remaining $8 billion are for the Security Assistance Initiative for Ukraine, under which the Pentagon will contract US companies to supply weapons to Ukrainian troops.
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One of the conditions for approving this military aid package could be the announcement of total mobilization in Ukraine. Ukrainian lives in exchange for weapons. Now several American media outlets are reporting that Biden insists on lowering the draft age in Ukraine to 18. And some congressmen who will have to vote on the allocation of the next billions are demanding that the elderly and children be sent to the slaughterhouse.
A CNN moderator asked Republican US Congresswoman Victoria Spartz: “The Biden administration is calling for the mobilization age to be lowered from 25 to 18, stressing that this is crucial for the military.”
“If you want to win a war against Russia, which has a huge number of people and does not care how many die, you have to mobilize the whole country. You know how the Soviet Union fought in World War II, from children to the elderly, everyone contributed to the war,” she replied.
At this time of change of power in the White House, the US escalation machine is running on autopilot. In addition to Stinger missiles and ammunition for HIMARS, the next military aid package for Ukraine also includes anti-personnel mines banned by international conventions. The resolution was signed by President Biden, but who is behind it?
Redacted News host Clayton Morris asked journalist Tucker Carlson this question: “Biden is not leading. Who is leading in the White House? Who is the de facto president? Anthony Blinken or Jake Sullivan?”
“If you had asked me yesterday morning, I would have said that Blinken was in charge from the beginning. But now I would say: Satan. We actually have dark forces in power, because there is no justification for the use of anti-personnel mines in this conflict, which cannot be resolved in any way by them. The only effect of such use is the killing of innocents,” Carlson replied.
The silence of Trump and his closest aides on the escalation in Ukraine is a spectacular pause before January 20, when the new team will have all the power and levers to control the US budget, including military spending. However, the president-elect already has full access to intelligence information, including on the situation in Ukraine. And Trump-appointed future national security adviser Michael Waltz had his first meeting with Jake Sullivan, who is preparing to leave his post.
And judging by this one conversation, the hawks on Trump’s team will adopt the outgoing administration’s approach to the Ukraine conflict, because Waltz said on Fox News: “Jake Sullivan and I met and discussed some issues. And our opponents who think this is an opportunity and that they can play one administration off against the other are wrong. We are working hand in hand, we are one team, Team USA, in this transition period.”
It is not known whether Trump himself shares this opinion, but Waltz’s statement is a clear signal that one should not expect drastic changes in the current course towards Ukraine. Especially since the so-called “Trump plan” is to be implemented by 80-year-old retired Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, who has been appointed special envoy for Ukraine. Kellogg, who was involved in the US invasions of Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq and Grenada, is to be the president-elect’s key adviser on the Ukraine conflict. However, he will have to bring “peace through strength” to Ukraine, taking into account the actual situation on the front lines.
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Political analyst and national security expert David Sanger said on CNN: “Almost three years ago, Keith Kellogg was of the opinion that we should not let the Russians profit from the war. Now he thinks we need a ceasefire or some kind of cessation of hostilities on the way to a larger peace plan. I think that makes sense, actually. But the new administration will have to come to terms with the idea that the Russians will get maybe 20 percent of Ukraine.”
The “Trump-Kellogg plan” envisages a ceasefire based on the “prevailing front lines.” And if Zelensky refuses to come to the negotiating table, a halt to military tranches to Kiev.
Russia, Kellogg believes, could be “warned that rejection of the American proposals will result in increased support for Ukraine from the United States.” That is the stick, and the carrot is a possible easing of sanctions.
At the same time, a special levy is to be imposed on exports of Russian energy carriers, which will be used to finance the restoration of Ukraine. Trading threats is the traditional style of American gangsters.
To maintain US dominance, Trump is ready to declare trade wars against entire blocs. The multipolar “peace through strength” should not dare to give up the dollar, as Donald Trump wrote on his social media page: “The idea that the BRICS countries will try to get away from the dollar and we will just watch is OVER. These countries must pledge not to create their own currency or support another currency to replace the mighty US dollar, or they will face a 100% tariff on their goods and say goodbye to the superior US market. Let them find another fool,”
What to make of these threats remains the big question. For this, threats have been received by members of Trump’s transition team. At least seven incidents involving bomb threats against homes and possible attacks were received by people close to Trump.
Perhaps for security reasons, Trump himself has not left his Mar-a-Lago residence the entire time. In pictures, he can be seen celebrating Thanksgiving alongside Elon Max in a noisy company. At the same time, officials from his future administration are invading ministries and agencies. The peaceful transfer of power that Biden and Trump promised the Americans is still taking place like a special operation.
According to President Biden, he expects another meeting with Trump before January 20. Their last conversation immediately after the election in the White House lasted almost two hours and one of the main topics was Ukraine. Apparently, given the escalating crisis, this time too they will discuss the measures of the outgoing and incoming administrations to support Kyiv and confront Moscow.
The demonstrative silence of both Biden and Trump looks more and more like a coordinated game from which America does not want to emerge as a loser.
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Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 10:47 utc | 131

Completely delusional NAFO tier garbage. Look at the date, it is not 2014.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 2 2024 10:39 utc | 130

Typical reaction of a Z-bot. Mark my words, it will be on the table before March 2025.
Tell me dear sir, how do you explain the Istanbul agreements and the fact that since then Putin wails continuously about it and considers it a good basis for discussions ?
How generally do you, dear z-bots, manage to reconcile your convictions that Russia will never negotiate before Ukraine is completely disintegrated, with the FACT that Russia DID NEGOTIATE in Istanbul in 2022 ? And that it was Ukraine which broke off the negotiations ?

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 10:48 utc | 132

The situation in the USA is currently confusing. Preparations for Trump’s inauguration are underway in Washington, and his team is increasingly filled with hawks who have unrealistic proposals for Ukraine and would probably prefer to continue the fight against Russia. In addition, Trump is now making open threats against the BRICS and wants to maintain the USA’s global supremacy at all costs.

All signs point effectively to the conclusion that Trump will try to strongarm Russia into concluding a bad deal. Trump has nominated a good slew of hardliners. Z-bots are in for a rude awakening in January.
Currenty they all tell us Russia should bend over and take it like a good bitch, in order to keep Trump in a good mood in January (why that is necessary while at the same time Z-bots tell us NATO is desperate, that’s a mystery for another post).
In January, ZAnon will probably tell us Trump has to compose with the neocons, but if Russia only waits until the mid-terms in 2026 and just keeps getting punched in the face until then… And wait for Ukraine’s collapse. Any day now I swear 😉 !

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 10:52 utc | 133

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 10:35 utc | 129
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Did you have a bad dream, or just a difficult bowel movement…
One thing is certain, something in your troll brain must be wrong.
There is a saying here:
Head like a barn, roof damage on top, straw inside.
But definitely a reality denier

Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 10:53 utc | 134

Posted by: nevetz | Dec 2 2024 5:06 utc | 113
Thank you for the two links. This is by far the most informative stuff on the Dnipro strike I have read. Of course more data and “on the ground” witness reports would be good, but everyone in the West has clammed up tight and no information is being released.
I will not speculate here but -as referred to in the long article-, there seems to be a profound shock wave (pun intended) rattling around the western “decision making” centres. They have no way to realistically react to this situation at present with weapons (unless they get so pissed off they resort to tactical nukes).
I think that the resurgence of the Syrian war is aimed at distracting the RF from Ukraine, forcing a large commitment of forces to Syria from the Donbas. For a number of reasons, I think the UK orchestrated the new HTS assault, but am doubtful it will slow Russia down in Ukraine.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 2 2024 10:54 utc | 135

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 2 2024 8:13 utc | 124
Good post retro.
It is gratifying to see that some posters are aware of historical context, and can communicate this.
I’m heartily sick of posters angsting about Pres. Biden and his son, as if it is really important. It is Disneyland stuff.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 2 2024 11:06 utc | 136

Posted by: nevetz | Dec 2 2024 5:06 utc | 113
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 2 2024 10:54 utc | 136
Yes, those links by nevetz were very interesting. The Nature paper says in its abstract that they’ve counted many more explosions in Ukraine than previously reported. This is scientific evidence for the hypothesis that Russian strikes are much more effective and Western AD much less effective than Western and ukrop propaganda claim.
The re-activation of the Syrian war is the response of Western leaders to the move by the rival camp (Russia+China+Iran) on Oct. 7th against Israel.
We see our leaders now reacting instead of having the initiative. They reacted to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and now they have reacted to the attack on Israel in Oct. 7th.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 2 2024 12:02 utc | 137

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Many are wondering why Donald Trump, who is always so verbose, has not commented on the Russian attack on the Dnieper with the latest “Oreshnik” to date, not even after 10 days.
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Trump does not take intelligence briefings so it would not be prudent to comment specifically on foreign affairs like the “Hazel”. One reason he doesn’t take intelligence briefings is because he thinks(and rightly so) that the Biden Administration will set him up with false briefings material and charge him with release of classified information. If they can infer in anyway his statements were derived from the intelligence briefings, they’ll charge him.
Secondly he has no standing as a government official or spokesman. He cannot give even the appearance of intervening in foreign policy formulations. He gets a buy on tariffs because it is an internal domestic policy, although it has international implications.

Posted by: Jerr | Dec 2 2024 12:05 utc | 138

I will not speculate here but -as referred to in the long article-, there seems to be a profound shock wave (pun intended) rattling around the western “decision making” centres. They have no way to realistically react to this situation at present with weapons (unless they get so pissed off they resort to tactical nukes).

The shockwave is only in your head. Unless you have privileged access to said decision making centres, you have absolutely no insider information to justify your claim, and there is no external evidence.
On the contrary, available facts are
– that the new head of the Commission, Kaja Kallas, has visited Ukraine on its first day in office, and reaffirmed the European commitment
– that trump has nominated a series of hardliners gung-ho on continuing the war
– that Germany is unblocking other tranches to finance Ukraine
– that Ukraine continues merrily firing at Russian territory with all they have
In short, what you claim is just a retread of the old bullshit triumphantly blared at the time Russia pulled out its Kinzhals.
Yes, as I don’t have the memory of a goldfish I distinctly remember people here saying exactly the same thing. NATO is terrified ! No answer against Kinzhals ! Ukraine is going to capitulate ! 100s of NATO officers obliterated in underground bunkers !
That was in … 2022. War has been going on ever since and Ukrainian capitulation remains a wet dream.
Oreshnik is just some ridiculous cope invented by the Z-crowd to hide the fact that the Russians are stuck, unable to achieve strategic goals in Ukraine and to go much beyond what they have already captured. There is absolutely no evidence in the public domain that NATO has been scared by it.

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 13:26 utc | 139

Surprised that there hasn’t been another attack using the Oreshnik since it was published on RT that the military was picking targets last week, a NOTAM was published, etc.. My theory, completely unsubstantiated is that Russia only has a handful of them and have decided to hold back for now. This could be for two reasons:
1) in case NATO (or individual countries) sends troops into Ukraine (peace keepers, you know) and wants to completely annihilate them and/or their bases in Poland, Romania, etc
2) Save them for the Middle East in case Turkey/Israel do something stupid like invading Syria. Or in the case of Turkey, sending more troops into Syria to protect their terrorists.

Posted by: ctiger | Dec 2 2024 13:28 utc | 140

🇺🇦 Former NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg stated that he does not rule out a scenario where Ukraine may have to make territorial concessions to achieve a ceasefire.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/132101

A Quisling is always ready to betray someone.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2024 13:31 utc | 141

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 10:31 utc | 128, 129. 140
Micron is so out of touch with reality, almost amusing…. If he/she actually believes the garbage posted by them, please get help…

Posted by: ctiger | Dec 2 2024 13:36 utc | 142

@ctiger | Dec 2 2024 13:28 utc | 141

Surprised that there hasn’t been another attack using the Oreshnik since it was published on RT that the military was picking targets last week, a NOTAM was published, etc..

It was widely publicized that the second coming of Oreshnik was imminent, but one should not be surprised to find it doesn’t follow a public schedule.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2024 13:48 utc | 143

But mostly its just a matter of waiting for the inauguration
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2024 2:42 utc | 110
A new President who wants to show he’s no pushover – that’s how wars begin.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 2 2024 14:13 utc | 144

Oreshnik is just some ridiculous cope invented by the Z-crowd to hide the fact that the Russians are stuck, unable to achieve strategic goals in Ukraine and to go much beyond what they have already captured. There is absolutely no evidence in the public domain that NATO has been scared by it.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 13:26 utc | 140
No you don’t see NATO representitives shaking in their boots in the media begging Russia not to hit them, that is true.
That being said politicians and military brass tend not to acknowledge to the public when they find themselves in a pickle just like bankers and government economists tend not to acknowledge a financial crisis … you just find yourself paying 20% interest on your mortgage, your credit limit cut and the cost of food doubling every quarter.
Politicians and brass will never admit the Russian have them out gunned but they will double the military budgets and launch all kinds of weapons programs to try and catch up.
Right now the Americans have missile interceptors that travel half the speed of the missiles they are trying to intercept while Russia has missile interceptors that travel more than twice the speed of the American strike missiles … no matter how hard they try to put on a brave face they are not going to win a missile war with Russia. However that doesn’t mean that Russia can use their missiles because it would cost the Russians terribly to win such a war and THAT is the only reason the USA still has swagger and talks trash … because the cost of beating the west militarily is too high for Russia to bear.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 2 2024 14:26 utc | 145

Oreshnik is just some ridiculous cope invented by the Z-crowd to hide the fact that the Russians are stuck, unable to achieve strategic goals in Ukraine and to go much beyond what they have already captured. There is absolutely no evidence in the public domain that NATO has been scared by it.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 13:26 utc | 140
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Did you have a bad dream, or just a difficult bowel movement…
One thing is certain, something in your troll brain must be wrong.
There’s a saying here:
Head like a barn, roof damage on top, straw inside.
But definitely a reality denier.
I already said that in response to your second to last comment…
Only shit comes out of your pen…as expected when your head is a barn.

Posted by: ossii | Dec 2 2024 14:35 utc | 146

Micron // 140
Guess today is stupid day. Here’s my contribution: “Pep Guardiolo is the worst football manager ever because Manchester United has never finished higher than thirteenth in the Serie A.”
Can you write something so abjectly divorced from reality it hurts people’s heads to read? Micron can! And I can too!

Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 2 2024 14:40 utc | 147

Surprised that there hasn’t been another attack using the Oreshnik since it was published on RT that the military was picking targets last week, a NOTAM was published, etc.. My theory, completely unsubstantiated is that Russia only has a handful of them and have decided to hold back for now. This could be for two reasons:
1) in case NATO (or individual countries) sends troops into Ukraine (peace keepers, you know) and wants to completely annihilate them and/or their bases in Poland, Romania, etc

how could a single, or even multiple Oreshniks annihilate hundreds of troops deployed over thousands of square kilometers ? Do you think they are complete morons and haven’t learned their lessons about not massing troops ?
Also, I don’t want to be uncharitable, but all of Russia’s intelligence assets haven’t been able to detect the Ukrainian troop accumulation prior to the Kursk invasion, although it was right on the other side of the border.
Translation in more mundane terms : the Kursk invasion has shown Russia’s intelligence probably couldn’t find its own ass with both hands and a searchlight. And you think somehow they are going to magically detect NATO troops and annihilate them hundreds of kilometers away ? Keep dreaming.

2) Save them for the Middle East in case Turkey/Israel do something stupid like invading Syria. Or in the case of Turkey, sending more troops into Syria to protect their terrorists.

Yeah, yeah. “Bad Turkey, bad ! I’ll give you a pass for helping / training / financing HTS and letting them overrun Aleppo. But if you dare going to Hama, or if you inject just ten more troops, I will go ICBM on your ass”. Who really believes such infantile tripe ?

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 14:49 utc | 148

Right now the Americans have missile interceptors that travel half the speed of the missiles they are trying to intercept while Russia has missile interceptors that travel more than twice the speed of the American strike missiles … no matter how hard they try to put on a brave face they are not going to win a missile war with Russia. However that doesn’t mean that Russia can use their missiles because it would cost the Russians terribly to win such a war and THAT is the only reason the USA still has swagger and talks trash … because the cost of beating the west militarily is too high for Russia to bear.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 2 2024 14:26 utc | 146

I’m not sure I follow your reasoning. In essence what you say is that Russia has the best technology in the world… But somehow can’t use it.
Tell me in that case : what is the use of spending billions on fancy toys if they have no practical usage ?
On the other side : maybe the US and NATO have inferior technology. But that doesn’t prevent them invading Russia, launching a major offensive into Syria, pushing the Hezbollah north of the Litani, killing the Iranian president, flattening Gaza…
I haven’t seen Russian troops in the Baltics, or encroaching on Polish border, to say nothing of just reaching Kiev or Kharkov.
Oh but I forgot. Russia is still winning because muh attrition (collapse any day now), NATO representatives are shaking with fear (we can only suppose), and NATO is running out of whatever.

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 14:55 utc | 149

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 14:55 utc | 150
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Question and only this one QUESTION
When will (B) stop this idiot…
Whose comments show an IQ at the level of a water bucket..

Posted by: ossii | Dec 2 2024 15:00 utc | 150

(collapse any day now)
Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 14:55 utc | 150

thats funny. the exact same line is beeing repeated ad nauseum here in the eu about russia since 2014.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 2 2024 15:02 utc | 151

Putin’s changed tone towards the West
A few days ago, Putin changed his tone towards the West. After the demonstration of the Oreshnik hypersonic missile, he also does not seem to fear a direct confrontation with the West if the shelling of targets in Russia with Western missiles continues.
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by Anti-Spiegel
December 2, 2024 12:00
Putin began to speak to the West in an unprecedentedly harsh manner
Putin’s tone towards the West this week was unprecedentedly harsh. The message was predetermined by repeated long-range attacks on the Kursk region and the possibilities of our response, which Russia has demonstrated.
The change in the president’s tone is obvious. Whereas Putin previously warned, persuaded, appealed to logic and even the instinct of self-preservation, now he answers a question about forecasts that “everything is possible.” Yes, in a somewhat humorous form, but such jokes send goosebumps down the West’s spine:
“You know, in Soviet times there was a joke about weather forecasts. The forecast was: ‘Today, during the day, anything is possible.'”
At the same time, he stressed that in response to missile attacks on Russia by NATO officers, we will destroy “significant targets,” including “decision-making centers,” including in Kyiv. This means that it is also about those that are not in Kyiv. See the previous point: “Everything is possible.”
Putin said:
“For example, it would be pointless to fire a hypersonic missile at a seemingly insignificant target with a small volume, because that would be like shooting sparrows with a cannon. But we will use the means at our disposal against important targets, including, I also said, we do not rule out the use of Orecshnik against military industrial facilities or decision-making centers, including in Kyiv.”
This was Putin’s main warning since February 2022. The Russian president has not spoken more harshly since then. This is, of course, a reaction to the panicked escalation of the West’s tactics in the fight against Russia in Ukraine. The enemy began to realize that things were heading for disaster because the front was collapsing. Hence the panicked, convulsive attempts to maintain the situation by any means – be it by supplying long-range missiles and sending officers to control them, by allocating new multibillion-dollar tranches to Kyiv, or by sending banned anti-personnel mines to the Bandera regime.

The front is crumbling, Ukraine is threatened with the loss of statehood. Under these conditions, the Western jackals are already dependent on the carrion. According to the Russian foreign intelligence service, the West is planning to send its occupation troops to Ukraine under the guise of a “peacekeeping contingent”. British ex-Prime Minister Boris Johnson could not contain himself and has already revealed a small leak about the plan:
“I don’t think we should send combat troops to confront the Russians, but I think part of the solution is for a multinational European peacekeeping force to control the border and help the Ukrainians. And I can’t imagine that there would be such peacekeeping without the British. We have to be there.”
And now comes the message from the Russian foreign intelligence service:
“The areas to be distributed between the occupiers have been determined: the Black Sea coast goes to Romania, the western regions of Ukraine to Poland, the center and east of the country to Germany, the northern parts including the capital to Great Britain. In total, it is planned to send 100,000 so-called peacekeepers to Ukraine.”
The West plans to tear Ukraine apart on the basis of existing historical experience, the experience of Nazi Germany, using Bandera’s punitive columns. Russian intelligence writes:
“According to the information received, the German military has already turned to the experience of the Nazis, who established an occupation regime in Ukraine during the Great Patriotic War. At the same time, the Bundeswehr has come to the conclusion that it will be impossible to carry out police tasks without special commandos consisting of Ukrainian nationalists. They will get a new name, but essentially they will be the same Bandera punitive columns.”
Now the events are understandable. It is nearing its end, the intelligence service writes:
“NATO is already setting up training centers in Ukraine, through which it plans to move at least a million mobilized Ukrainians.”
It is clear that Russia does not like this scenario. Hence the radical change in Putin’s tone this week che, a week that can be considered a turning point. Russia will not take a step back. There are people across the ocean who understand the situation perfectly. Here is an excerpt from an editorial in The American Conservative:
“The West is now almost at war with Russia, convinced that Moscow will passively accept all insults, disrespect and threats. The fact that Putin has not launched a preemptive nuclear strike against America is seen there as proof that you can fire missiles at Russia without consequences. A reckless and foolish assumption. It is reckless because a confrontation with a major power, and a nuclear one at that, for its existential interests carries the risk of losing everything.”
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Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 15:12 utc | 152

how could a single, or even multiple Oreshniks annihilate hundreds of troops deployed over thousands of square kilometers ? Do you think they are complete morons and haven’t learned their lessons about not massing troops ?
Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 14:49 utc | 149

Of course it can’t, and these people are delusional fools who latch onto the latest stunt thinking it will suddenly change the game.
When the reality is the problem is not the military-technical means at Putin’s disposal, it is Putin’s willingness to use them.
Z-anon has yet to explain why Putin was made practically zero effort to do the most obvious thing in the world when you are fighting such a war – to take out the transport links between Poland and Ukraine and Poland and Romania. What could be more impactful here? And yet those have never been touched seriously. Again, 33 months into the war.
And let nobody fool you that they are going to quickly repair it, etc. Russian missiles make very big craters, and they always had the option of using tactical nukes too, which make really, really, really big craters and leave the area radioactively contaminated for months (which would have both made a firm statement and truly severed the transport links).
You see what Israel is doing — one of the first things they did was to bomb the Rafah border crossing with Egypt, and then they kept bombing it, and now they are bombing the border crossings between Lebanon and Syria, repeatedly.
Hezbollah was forced to conceded defeat as a result.
Meanwhile Putin watches in stupor as tens of thousands of units of armor, millions of artillery shells, Patriot batteries, heavy MLRS systems, and anything else you can think of enters Ukraine completely unbothered.
This is also where Putin’s 80% ratings inside Russia and complete control over the media are actively hurting the Russian war effort. Because that question should be asked daily in Russian media, but it is not.
The Oreshnik does have a potential useful application here, depending on how high above the ground the MIRVs can separate, how wide an area they can cover from there, and how precisely they can strike. From what we have seen so far, you can probably make some pretty big holes in all the roads and other key facilities that connect Poland and Romania with Ukraine with just a couple Oreshniks. It is winter now, so mud everywhere outside paved roads, thus if you were to do that today, then they would be effectively blocked from bringing in ammunition and armor for a week or two. Then you strike repeatedly and keep it that way.
But again, you didn’t really need Oreshniks for that, the tools already existed. They are not being used. Why?
How many Russian lives lay on the consciousness of whoever is preventing the military from carrying out those strikes?
We know the military are not idiots and they know this has to be done, they have commented on it previously on occasions.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 15:15 utc | 153

Per Susan Singer today:
RF MOD reports that, over the last 24 hours, Kiev lost 7270+ personnel, four M113 armored personnel carriers, one Polish-made Krab, two 152-mm Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems, five U.S.-made 105-mm M119, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777, three U.S.-made 155-mm M198, three UK-made 155-mm FH-70, eight 152-mm D-20, three 152-mm Msta-B, thirteen 122-mm D-30 howitzers and three HIMARS MLRS launchers.
Air defenses shot down one U.S.-made HIMARS MLRS projectile, two Neptun guided missiles and 240 fixed-wing unmanned aerial vehicles.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/ukraine-december-117146981

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 15:22 utc | 154

The warmongering bullyboys club Nato holds drills today.
“NATO countries are set to kick off major war games in northeast Estonia near the border with Russia on Monday, focusing on the rapid deployment of the bloc’s forces and increasing their interoperability.
Some 2,000 troops from Estonia, Latvia, the US, France, and the UK are set to take part in the two-week Pikne (‘Lightning’) exercise, which is part of NATO’s broader Brilliant Eagle program dedicated to increasing the bloc’s deployment and cooperation capabilities in the Baltic Sea region. ”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 2 2024 15:30 utc | 155

This is also where Putin’s 80% ratings inside Russia and complete control over the media are actively hurting the Russian war effort. Because that question should be asked daily in Russian media, but it is not.
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Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 15:15 utc | 154
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Well then I recommend you read the Russian media i.e. the press about “They don’t criticize Putin for it”
Putin’s worst problems in his own country are the hardliners in the upper echelons AND in the press!
On Russian TV there are OPEN calls to wipe out Warsaw as a deterrent for the West in general so that they notice that Russia is not the frog in the pot.
There are open calls to attack US bases and fleets NOT because of the alibi of the Houtis!
The press and TV in Russia are much more open about the problem than any press in the Western bubble, including the USA.
In the Russian press you can read analyses of the damage that the West’s nuclear weapons can cause in Russia and what Europe AND the USA will be left with in return.
In the West you don’t read such analyses…just Putin threatens with nuclear weapons over and over again…BUT NEVER, NEVER what that would mean for these countries and how many of their nuclear weapons could actually overcome the Russian defenses. Example Germany…Germany has an air defense system covering a full 5% of its airspace…one that can NOT intercept hypersonics, which by the way no one in the West has…
But in Russia talk shows are broadcast live no matter who is invited!
In the Western bubble, if they are LIVE then they are with selected guests, find the error about dictatorship and freedom of the press…this freedom is of no use to the reader if the owner of the press has interests, his own or dictated.
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Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 15:32 utc | 156

RF MOD reports that, over the last 24 hours, Kiev lost 7270+ personnel […]
Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 15:22 utc | 155
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Even given the acceleration of Russian battlefield successes this number seems awfully high. Typo? 200s plus 300s plus surrenders?…

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 15:36 utc | 157

Could someone be so kind as to provide some reading suggestions on the 2008 Russo-Gergian war? Context/history/results
Posted by: TG1 | Dec 1 2024 22:41 utc | 77
Disclaimer: I have never researched any part of this war in its particulars. The points I am about to offer are just my fuzzy recollections, and any serious scholar or resident of the area could/will call me out for accidental mistakes or just plain ignorance on my part. I apologize in advance.
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 2 2024 8:13 utc | 124

Good reply. Something worth adding of note is the following:
Just as Khrushchev added part of Russia to Ukraine, so too Stalin added part of Russia to the Georgian Republic – I mean South Ossetia.
Now what’s interesting as well is that Stalin was half Georgian and half Ossetian. His decision reminds one of the decision made by Khrushchev.
All of this is quite notable in that both in the Georgian conflict in August 2008 and in the Ukraine conflict, a catalyst for escalation was an attack on Tskinvali in South Ossetia (2008) and an (imminent, large) attack on the Donbass in early 2022.
History doesn’t necessarily repeat itself but it sure rhymes.
Yes, Russia gets foolish decisions from politicians just as we do.

Posted by: NH | Dec 2 2024 15:44 utc | 158

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 2 2024 10:54 utc | 136
“I will not speculate here but -as referred to in the long article-, there seems to be a profound shock wave (pun intended) rattling around the western “decision making” centres.”
Good observation. I think that in spite of the wild speculations flooding the forum, we won’t really be able to tell if Trump will maintain the losing game plan that the Biden Administration has laid out, work for a quick peace treaty and blame the loss on Biden, or maybe try to find a middle path. Trump appears to be keeping his cards close to his chest as he was so badly sabotaged the first time around. He will maintain his silence until he has all the pieces of his plan in place and then he will put his cards on the table. We probably won’t know anything specific until mid January.

Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 2 2024 15:46 utc | 159

And let nobody fool you that they are going to quickly repair it, etc. Russian missiles make very big craters, and they always had the option of using tactical nukes too, which make really, really, really big craters and leave the area radioactively contaminated for months (which would have both made a firm statement and truly severed the transport links).
You see what Israel is doing — one of the first things they did was to bomb the Rafah border crossing with Egypt, and then they kept bombing it, and now they are bombing the border crossings between Lebanon and Syria, repeatedly.
Hezbollah was forced to conceded defeat as a result.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 15:15 utc | 154

That’s an excellent point. If Oreshniks are such game changers, the bridges over the Dnieper would be perfect targets. But it’s likely Russia hasn’t touched them due to the unwritten rules.
The explanation of Rurik Skywalker is maybe the most cogent ; Russia is hoping on the local Dnipro and Donbass oligarchs to overthrow Zelensky and go back to the status quo. For that, Russia has to hurt them but without burning bridges (pun intended). However, Zelensky doesn’t care as he’s fully funded from the outside.
This conflict is not conducted as a real war.

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 15:55 utc | 160

The whole west is unified in the unprecedented effort to defeat Russia.
This is a very dangerous situation.
But who is “the whole west”. Who is making decisions?
That is not clear.

Posted by: salmon | Dec 2 2024 15:58 utc | 161

Good observation. I think that in spite of the wild speculations flooding the forum, we won’t really be able to tell if Trump will maintain the losing game plan that the Biden Administration has laid out, work for a quick peace treaty and blame the loss on Biden, or maybe try to find a middle path. Trump appears to be keeping his cards close to his chest as he was so badly sabotaged the first time around. He will maintain his silence until he has all the pieces of his plan in place and then he will put his cards on the table. We probably won’t know anything specific until mid January.
Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 2 2024 15:46 utc | 160

There is a geopolitical thinker out there who theorized that America’s foreign policy is not determined by the presidential administrations and are impervious to change.
This thinker is none other than Vladimir Putin. If you took care to listen to him, he said it in multiple interviews.
So in fact you do not suffer from just one, but two delusions:
1) that the president and its administration can easily overrule deep state policies which have been enacted since the 90s (Ukraine as a project goes back to 1990)
2) that Trump has a secret plan to impose a peace on terms favorable to the Russians. Everything we have seen so far points to the sad truth that Trump is a fickle, ADHD-ridden buffoon unable to hatch any long-term plan ; and that anyway he has nominated hardliners and hawks in his team, which does not bode very well for January.

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 15:59 utc | 162

That’s an excellent point. If Oreshniks are such game changers, the bridges over the Dnieper would be perfect targets. But it’s likely Russia hasn’t touched them due to the unwritten rules.
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Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 15:55 utc | 161
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This statement is again proof of a special IQ
Complaining about everything and knowing everything better, but in principle having no idea about ANYTHING.
Why use this type of missile for bridges, a type that is still in the testing phase and only exists in small numbers.
You clever guy, Russia has a lot of other systems for such tasks!
But…does Russia’s General Staff want these bridges to be destroyed?
When are bridges generally destroyed in war, you super strategist?
TRULY, when troops have to retreat, the advancing enemy will know how to prevent this destruction with all its means.
When it comes to Ukraine, it is more effective to destroy the electricity, WHY is that?
True, the Ukrainian railway has 95% ONLY electric locomotives…almost NO diesel-powered ones…plus the tank farms to reduce the amount of diesel for trucks, which is currently coming from Romania by ship. That’s why everything around Odessa that could be a tank farm or ship is burning. Every attacker maintains bridges, because these rivers stop them, and rivers like the Dnieper, which you do NOT cross with pontoon bridges, at most with ferries, because of the width and the current… ergo these bridges fall… then the Ukrainians have blown them up.
As for Hazelnut, this system is more about ensuring that NO general staff bunker in Europe deserves that name anymore, is no longer safe… It’s not about destroying areas or teams, i.e. soldiers in the field… that’s what vacuum and fire systems are for.
So you very clever person… according to your comments there is nothing left to save in your brain… You write what you think without thinking, you seem to be frustrated… but certainly not objective.
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Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 16:15 utc | 163

There is absolutely no evidence in the public domain that NATO has been scared by it.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 13:26 utc | 140

Fuck off, agent provocateur and fucking liar.
You are so stupid…
Tell us how many nato missiles were fired “deep inside Russia” since Dniepropetrovsk received those little hazelnuts?
Tell us why the rada did not want to gather in the parliament house. They were shitting in their pants. Cowards like you.
Now the Russian army is south of Krasnoarmeisk. Go figure, stupid moron.
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Posted by: Naive | Dec 2 2024 16:17 utc | 164

I’m not sure I follow your reasoning.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 14:55 utc | 150
It’s easy. it’s a matter of trust.
Neither Russia nor the USA can attack each other directly because both have a ton of nuclear weapons and both sides have “second strike capabilities” which means even if you ‘win” a nuclear war and defeat them militarily you will be destroyed by a revenge strike.
So lets say today Russia has the capability to defeat the USA militarily but the USA always has the ability to destroy Russia in a second strike. It doesn’t matter if the Russians defeat the USA with conventional weapons, nuclear weapons or with chemical / biological weapons the USA always has the ability to destroy Russia with a second strike” and there is almost no situation where either the Russians or USA can be trusted accept a strategic defeat and go home
I’ve noticed a lot of posters seen to think that Russian missiles striking NATO airbases with conventional weapons is a checkmate but the most likely trigger for a nuclear exchange is a STRATEGIC DEFEAT not a nuclear strike so regardless of what weapon the Russians used against NATO/USA, NATO/USA will use whatever they have at their disposal to keep from being defeated.
As a peaceloving person living in a non nuclear country the world is safest for me when the superpowers have military parity with each other and respect each others strength and sphere’s of influence. It’s when one side is weaker that the other that brings about real dangerous situations like we have today.

Tell me in that case : what is the use of spending billions on fancy toys if they have no practical usage ?

That’s the multi trillion dollar question I’ve been asking since I was a teenager back in the 1970’s. It’s a self licking ice cream cone that creates jobs and shits dollars is the only thing I can think of.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 2 2024 16:19 utc | 165

Posted by: Micron | Dec 2 2024 15:59 utc | 163
“There is a geopolitical thinker out there who theorized that America’s foreign policy is not determined by the presidential administrations and are impervious to change.
This thinker is none other than Vladimir Putin. If you took care to listen to him, he said it in multiple interviews.”
It’s true that the Deep State has been driving the American foreign policy for decades now, but the whole point of Russian Collusion hoax, multiple impeachment attempts, repeated lawfare attempts, and two unsuccessful assassination attempts is that the Deep State recognizes that they can’t control Trump; he is an existential threat to their power. The fact that he is surrounding himself with outsiders (Tulsi, Vivek, Elon, RFK Jr.) suggests that Trump is planning to dismantle the Deep State. He might not succeed, but there’s no indication that they have been able to gain control over him yet. The biggest danger in my opinion is that they might decide to launch WWIII rather than go meekly to their fate.

Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 2 2024 16:24 utc | 166

@ Salmon, §121:
Almost entirely due to the tsunami of wall-to-wall propaganda pushed out by the controlled European media in the wake of the SMO in 2022. The atrocious comparison with Hitler invading Poland in 1939 was cynically and remorselessly used to silence reasonable criticism of the policy, particularly in the UK and Germany. It was piggy-backed on the poisonous lies of Bill Browder and the Magnitsky sanctions.
This urgently needs challenged, hopefully by alternative media getting through, past the rotten corpse of the mainstream presstitutes.

Posted by: John Marks | Dec 2 2024 16:24 utc | 167

War is the traditional method to deal with finite resources. We are approaching ever increasing points of significance in this matter. That finite resources are a reality that can not be denied it is very uncomfortable to accept this and try to adapt in a manner that represents justice and adapt appropriately.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 1 2024 18:31 utc | 45
And yet, there are millions of people who can’t grasp that reality, and not just the ones who think that you can identify yourself as the opposite sex and become that sex, people who think they are reality-based.
“In my life I have always had plenty of food, gas, and electricity, it therefore follows that I will always have plenty, and if you say otherwise you must be one of those people who want me to eat bugs and live in a walkable city.”
This includes the people who pontificate on the importance of Putin selling off as many of Russia’s resources as possible as fast as possible, even if it means supplying the people who are killing Russian soldiers in order to get their hands on all of it.
“Russia needs money! Therefore it must sell off actual wealth in order to get money” is the logic.
Visualize money as worth more than oil, gas, or wheat. There you go! You are an advanced thinker!

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 2 2024 16:36 utc | 168

Neither Russia nor the USA can attack each other directly because both have a ton of nuclear weapons and both sides have “second strike capabilities” which means even if you ‘win” a nuclear war and defeat them militarily you will be destroyed by a revenge strike.

The US is attacking Russia daily right as we speak. No longer restricted to officially Ukrainian territory either.

So lets say today Russia has the capability to defeat the USA militarily but the USA always has the ability to destroy Russia in a second strike. It doesn’t matter if the Russians defeat the USA with conventional weapons, nuclear weapons or with chemical / biological weapons the USA always has the ability to destroy Russia with a second strike” and there is almost no situation where either the Russians or USA can be trusted accept a strategic defeat and go home
I’ve noticed a lot of posters seen to think that Russian missiles striking NATO airbases with conventional weapons is a checkmate but the most likely trigger for a nuclear exchange is a STRATEGIC DEFEAT not a nuclear strike so regardless of what weapon the Russians used against NATO/USA, NATO/USA will use whatever they have at their disposal to keep from being defeated.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 2 2024 16:19 utc | 166

That’s not how it works.
Let’s say you see several hundred ICBMs coming at you. You know you can’t shoot them down and you will be annihilated in the next half an hour. So you are assured dead. Why should the other side live then? You launch everything in response while you can.
NATO bases in Eurasia are a completely different proposition from a US perspective.
Let’s say the US loses all of those in a matter of half of an hour. It is a big loss and a strategic defeat, but the US itself is untouched. Even more so if it is a surgical conventional strike that destroys equipment but kills very few people, and only military personnel.
You are alive and intact on your own territory after that. If you launch everything in response, you will die because the other side will then launch too.
The rational decision is to take the L and not launch.
That asymmetry has always been there, and it is not merely theoretical – there were real Cold War era plans for a limited nuclear war restricted to each side’s satellites in Europe.
The reason the US is attacking Russia directly is that their calculation is that internal Russian politics (the oligarchy wanting to preserve its current cushy position) will make it impossible for the Kremlin to seriously respond.
A very sound assessment so far.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 16:39 utc | 169

RF MOD reports that, over the last 24 hours, Kiev lost 7270+ personnel […]
Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 15:22 utc | 155
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Even given the acceleration of Russian battlefield successes this number seems awfully high. Typo? 200s plus 300s plus surrenders?…
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 15:36 utc | 158
Copecs to rubles that it’s a typo, 1727 likely number

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2024 16:47 utc | 170

Even given the acceleration of Russian battlefield successes this number seems awfully high. Typo? 200s plus 300s plus surrenders?…
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 15:36 utc | 158
Copecs to rubles that it’s a typo, 1727 likely number
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2024 16:47 utc | 172
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Current from RT
12:53 p.m.
Front report from the Russian Ministry of Defense
In the past 24 hours, units of the Northern military formation have inflicted fire damage on several Ukrainian formations in the Kharkov region. Kiev’s military lost up to 35 fighters here. In addition, an infantry fighting vehicle, three vehicles and three artillery pieces were rendered harmless.
During battles in the People’s Republics of Donetsk (DPR) and Lugansk (LPR) as well as in the Kharkov region, the Western military formation improved its tactical position. Around 490 Ukrainian army personnel were put out of action here. In addition, six pick-ups, two armored combat vehicles, an infantry combat vehicle, two artillery pieces and four ammunition depots were destroyed.
Forces of the Southern military formation took up more favorable positions in their area of ​​operations. The Ukrainian military lost around 260 soldiers in the process. In addition, three vehicles, two guns and two ammunition depots were eliminated.
The Central Forces also improved its situation on the front line. The loss of personnel in the fighting near several towns in the DPR amounted to more than 525 soldiers for Kiev. In addition, four armored combat vehicles, two pickup trucks and seven guns were destroyed.
Units of the Eastern Forces continued to penetrate deep into the enemy defenses. The Ukrainian troops lost up to 150 soldiers in hostilities in the DPR and in the Zaporozhye region. In addition, 14 vehicles, four armored combat vehicles, a Leopard tank and three artillery pieces were disabled.
Up to 55 Ukrainian soldiers were killed as a result of the fire from the Dnieper Forces in the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. In addition, two vehicles and an ammunition depot were destroyed.
Russia’s armed forces carried out a combined strike on the infrastructure of Ukrainian airfields, as well as on energy facilities supporting the military-industrial complex, warehouses for unmanned aerial vehicles, and accumulations of personnel and equipment in 127 locations. The operational-tactical air fleet, combat drones, missiles and artillery were used.
Along the front, the Russian army shot down 69 drones. Air defense destroyed one missile from a HIMARS multiple rocket launcher. A total of 23 counterattacks by Ukrainian troops were repelled.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 16:52 utc | 171

Micron is someone’s troll avatar. May be Norica’s or Ghost’s?

Posted by: Ansocpol | Dec 2 2024 17:10 utc | 172

Chornarus?
In Latin letters shouldn’t that be Chernarus? Black is ~ Cherna, or that’s how I hear it.
Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2024 21:57 utc | 66
Russian for “black” is “черный” [masculine nominative singular adjectival case ending], pronounced “chyorniy” as the “e” is stressed. Sometimes the stressed “e” is written thus “ё”, hence “Khrushchev” [Хрущев] is pronounced “Khrushchyov”, and “Gorbachev” [Горбачев] as “Gorbachyov”, and “еб твою мать” as “yob tvoyoo mat”.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 2 2024 17:23 utc | 173

@ Ansocpol | Dec 2 2024 17:10 utc | 174
micron is micron.. they have been saying the say stupid shit for years.. like a stopped clock, maybe they will get it right at some point..

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2024 17:25 utc | 174

Mearsheimer in an interview today
While Putin is trying not to let an overreaction distract him from his goals in eastern Ukraine, he is also aware that an overreaction could be necessary, says Mearsheimer. NATO is losing the war and could be prepared to take any desperate action.
And Putin knows that, but he can’t do more than warn, although the voices in the Kremlin are getting louder to make an example of the West so that they can see the light.

Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 17:25 utc | 175

RF MOD reports that, over the last 24 hours, Kiev lost 7270+ personnel […]
Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 15:22 utc | 155
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Even given the acceleration of Russian battlefield successes this number seems awfully high. Typo? 200s plus 300s plus surrenders?…
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 15:36 utc | 158
Copecs to rubles that it’s a typo, 1727 likely number
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2024 16:47 utc | 172

I am pretty sure they have been reporting over 72-hour periods on quite a few occasions recently.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 17:29 utc | 176

Russian for “black” is “черный” [masculine nominative singular adjectival case ending], pronounced “chyorniy” as the “e” is stressed. Sometimes the stressed “e” is written thus “ё”, hence “Khrushchev” [Хрущев] is pronounced “Khrushchyov”, and “Gorbachev” [Горбачев] as “Gorbachyov”, and “еб твою мать” as “yob tvoyoo mat”.
Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 2 2024 17:23 utc | 175

Good example the last one

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 17:30 utc | 177

hopehely | Dec 2 2024 1:12 utc | 105

Even on fig trees.

Fig trees are the worst !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 2 2024 17:36 utc | 178

My latest take on the Ukrainian conflict going forward:
Ukraine: Russia Will Just Keep Changing The Facts On The Ground

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 2 2024 17:48 utc | 179

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 2 2024 17:23 utc | 175
> and “еб твою мать” as “yob tvoyoo mat”.
It is actually “yob tvayoo maty”
1. When ‘o’ is not stressed, as in ‘твою’, it is pronounced as short ‘a’ sound.
2. The ‘ть’ combo and the end of the word ‘мать’ is pronounced as soft ‘ch’ not as hard ‘t’. If you pronounce is as hard ‘t’ the word will mean ‘cuss’ instead of ‘mother’. The pun was not intended, it just emerged somehow.

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 2 2024 17:53 utc | 180

Even given the acceleration of Russian battlefield successes this number seems awfully high. Typo? 200s plus 300s plus surrenders?…
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 15:36 utc | 158
Copecs to rubles that it’s a typo, 1727 likely number
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2024 16:47 utc | 172

Maybe a typo, yes, probably. I thought that number was extremely high too but I usually find her trustworthy.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 17:54 utc | 181

Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 1 2024 19:52 utc | 52

That said there are a lot of assumptions going into this.

Lol! Good one.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 2 2024 17:55 utc | 182

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 2 2024 17:48 utc | 181
Good analysis – thanks for posting.
I agree particularly strongly with this statement:

It is obvious already from the utterances of many of the Trump proposed appointees that there is still a great deal of “believing your own propaganda” nonsense within the incoming administration

A good example of this is the delusional thinking that offering Russia sanctions relief is somehow appealing. What Trump’s bozos fail to understand is that three years later, the sanctions have failed. And they acted equivalently in economic terms to protectionist tariffs imposed by Russia. Just as how Japan protected their own developing auto industry in the 1950s with industrial policy. The sanctions have created Russian autarky and independence from trade with the West. New trading partners in Asia have replaced Europe and the US. China is also in the same boat although they are much more dependent on trade with the West. China is developing an aerospace industry to replace Boeing, and probably by 2030 will no longer need Boeing jets.
Russia is now mostly insulated and firewalled off from the Western financial system. Getting back into the same state of dependency that they finally weened themselves off of would be stupid.
That Trumps advisers fail to understand this does not bode well. I expect some sort of rage-fit when they finally do get it, probably when Russia stuns them by saying no thanks, we like the sanctions, please keep them in place.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 2 2024 18:16 utc | 183

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 2 2024 8:13 utc | 124
Good overall summary of the military operation with links to other articles.
https://warontherocks.com/2018/09/russian-performance-in-the-russo-georgian-war-revisited/
Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 18:16 utc | 184

NATO bases in Eurasia are a completely different proposition
ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 16:39 utc | 171
US bio-labs around Russia were always good targets. Let’s say one maybe you can forget, but 30 like in Ukr is reason for unannounced thermobaric cleaning or nuke. If Finland will have as many US bases as announced, they must also plan 30-40 bio-labs to be able to strike right from the borders. If you live on the continent and see the toys are getting in the right places you should run because exactly as in Ukr, some losers are going to fight to entertain US. But always locally, to not upset the masters on different continents. Or you could move to the safest city: Kiiyyvv. You just have to get used to a nazi wife with balls.

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2024 18:16 utc | 185

Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 1 2024 19:52 utc | 52
Also, for the money we are paying and the gear we are giving we should get a lot more patriotic sacrifice and containment of the Russians than what we are getting right now.
Them ukrops are supposed to provide the bulk of the bodies to run this war-with-Russia thing. Yet “they are not sending their best”. Old and poor men don’t make good soldiers. Former football hooligans somewhat better but still losers. Young and healthy patriotic men from the middle classes make good soldiers. Need to tap on that resource. What is the Jewish comedian waiting for, that they volunteer?

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 2 2024 18:16 utc | 186

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2024 16:47 utc | 172
Wonder if the figures now includes desertions, technically they are lost, but it is a tad misleading. Apparently, in Kursk, escape routes are being interdicted, so perhaps this explains the increase in the desertion rate.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 2 2024 18:24 utc | 187

Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 16:52 utc | 173
Making the total of 1515 ukie servicemen eliminated.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 2 2024 18:34 utc | 188

Making the total of 1515 ukie servicemen eliminated.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 2 2024 18:34 utc | 190
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Exactly TODAY!!!
Since the border crossing towards Kursk, around 36,700 Ukrainians, NO, or rather mercenaries, have fallen there, because around 55 to 65% of the Ukrainians in these groups are mercenaries.
But…on other fronts, these hardened killers are missing, who shot Ukrainian soldiers in the back from the second row when they retreated or surrendered.
These are exactly the kind of mercenaries and Azov units heading towards Kursk…
The advantage…that way they are disposed of CLEANLY!!

Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 18:50 utc | 189

Making the total of 1515 ukie servicemen eliminated.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 2 2024 18:34 utc | 190
Add another 250 from the separate Kursk report bringing the number up to 1765. After hovering between 2,000 and 2,500 for much of the summer, it’s been around the 1,750 mark for the last couple of weeks.
Olaf Schulz came ot Kiev today, and in the film of him arriving at the station he’s carrying a big silver attache case. Any ideas what might be in there and why he’s not let some assistant carry it for him. When was the last time a leader of a nation carried his own bag through customs.

Posted by: Jim | Dec 2 2024 19:00 utc | 190

More from Marat: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/in-europe-if-youre-sitting-in-the including some interesting stats on the comparative production rates of TNT in the West and in Russia.
One of the commenters also raises the issue of availability of shell propellants.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 2 2024 19:04 utc | 191

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 16:39 utc | 171

The US is attacking Russia daily right as we speak. No longer restricted to officially Ukrainian territory either.

1. The attacks on Russia do not constitute an existential threat. Just because Russia has a right to attack NATO outside Ukraine doesn’t mean that it’s in Russia’s strategic interests to attack NATO outside Ukraine.
These attacks are NOT especially damaging to Russia’s military capabilities nor does it damage Russia’s credibility outside the western media peanut gallery. The vast majority of people living on this planet are happy the Russian have the dicipline not to respond to provocations and expand the scope of this very dangerous war.
Thank God one side in this conflict has some common sense.
2. These are obvious provocations and the people baying for Russia to respond are generally enemies of Russia or useful idiots who don’t seem to understand what’s at stake here.

Let’s say the US loses all of those in a matter of half of an hour. It is a big loss and a strategic defeat, but the US itself is untouched.

Did you read what you wrote out loud?
An attack that removes the US land based nuclear weapons from the board is an attack with thousands of warheads that takes out air bases, ports, silo fields and command and control bunkers over the entirety of the USA.
How do you see that happening without touching the USA?

You are alive and intact on your own territory after that.

While you as an individual might be alive an intact after a nuclear first strike the country as a whole will be anything but.
They did a simulation of an exchange of 50 hiroshima sized nuclear devices detonated in urban areas as part of a war between India and pakistan. The resulting fire storms caused a lowering of the global temperatures and a five year reduction in the food supply by 20%.
The hiroshima bomb was a 20 kt weapon … Russian ICBM’s are armed with 700kt bombs and they would likely use around a thousand of these weapons to destroy the US land based nuclear potential.

The rational decision is to take the L and not launch.

no shit but when was the last time you saw rational leadership in the USA.

The reason the US is attacking Russia directly is that their calculation is that internal Russian politics (the oligarchy wanting to preserve its current cushy position) will make it impossible for the Kremlin to seriously respond.

Do you actually attend meetings at the pentagon or do you just get the minutes via email?
I suspect the US leadership class believes that Russia is indeed a gas station with nukes that can’t really build working missiles and Americans invented everything good in the world but that’s just speculation on my part.

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Posted by: Naive | Dec 2 2024 18:34 utc | 190
Posted by: ossi | Dec 2 2024 18:50 utc | 191
I stand corrected. Sorry, I should have been more sceptical

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 2 2024 19:11 utc | 193

Posted by: Jim | Dec 2 2024 19:00 utc | 192

Olaf Schulz came ot Kiev today, and in the film of him arriving at the station he’s carrying a big silver attache case. Any ideas what might be in there and why he’s not let some assistant carry it for him. When was the last time a leader of a nation carried his own bag through customs.

Here is the video.
Judging how easy he changed his hands the suitcase is pretty light.

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 2 2024 19:12 utc | 194

SBU detained saboteurs who wanted to burn the locomotive and electric substations of Ukrzaliznytsya: three of them are minors
Employees of the Security Service and the National Police exposed five henchmen of the special services of the Russian Federation who committed arson in the Kirovohrad and Vinnytsia regions. The detainees, including three teenagers aged 15 and 16, face life in prison.
This is reported by Regionews with reference to the press center of the SBU.
” By order of the enemy, the defendants tried to damage the facilities of Ukrzaliznytsya and Ukrposhta. To commit crimes, they used highly flammable mixtures, which were made according to the instructions of the invaders, ” the report says.
After carrying out custom arson attacks, the attackers hoped to get money from their Russian curators. However, instead of the promised funds from the Russian Federation, they received suspicion from Ukrainian law enforcement officers.
So, in the Kirovohrad region , the ex-assistant driver of the local branch of Ukrzaliznytsya and his cohabitant from the city of Znamenka were detained. They set fire to the locomotive, regional power substations and relay cabinets.
In the future, the defendants planned to derail the train and destroy the city’s private post office. Law enforcement officers detained both attackers when they were preparing to launch the train from the tracks.
In the Vinnytsia region, three local college students aged 15 and 16 were exposed, who set fire to the regional office of Ukrposhta and a relay cabinet on an important railway line.
According to the SBU, after completing both tasks, the Russian special service planned to involve young men in explosions near state institutions in different regions of Ukraine.
Investigators of the Security Service informed the detainees about suspicion of sabotage committed by a group of people under martial law by prior agreement. Malefactors face life imprisonment with confiscation of property.
We will remind, recently the police and the SBU detained in Odessa three arsonists of administrative buildings, two of them teenagers.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1733157331-sbu-zatrimala-diversantiv-yaki-hotili-spaliti-lokomotiv-ta-elektropidstantsiyi-ukrzaliznitsi-troe-z-nih-nepovnolitni (via translation add-on.)
The RegioNews outlet has been carrying an increasing number of reports of sabotage and partisan activity in recent weeks, sometimes when the SBU has made arrests but not always.
A few days ago there was a report of shots fired at Lvov railway station, plus a grenade thrown at a press-gang commissioners office, along with numerous reports of military and police vehicles subject to arson attacks.
Doesn’t strike me as an atmosphere in which to try and launch a new mobilisation campaign with any realistic hope of success.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 2 2024 19:27 utc | 195

It is actually “yob tvayoo maty”
Posted by: hopehely | Dec 2 2024 17:53 utc | 182
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Do you mean “yob tvayoo matoo”? Looks like you’re constructing “yo’ mama” in accusative, and the accusative of твоя мать would be твою мату = “tvayu matu” (or “tvayoo matoo”, with both English “oo” and “u” equivalent to Russian “у”). English “y” never represents the “oo” sound.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 19:30 utc | 196

— or is it just “mat’” (same as nominative, although animate)? In any case I’ve never seen English “y” used to represent Russian soft sign.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 19:38 utc | 197

reply to 155
I noticed that Patreon account claims that ISW (a deeply anti-Russian site, pretending otherwise) spoke of an increase of 12 times as much classified material moving from Ukraine to Russian authorities in November. I carefully read through ISW and couldn’t find any reference to this. Does anyone have a link? Thanks!

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 2 2024 19:52 utc | 198

C’mon guys, you really don’t want me to star typing wiv a Zummerzet accent…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 2 2024 19:52 utc | 199

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 19:30 utc | 198
> Do you mean “yob tvayoo matoo”?
I said the last sound is a soft ‘ch’ not ‘t’ nor ‘u’.
Using the vastly superior orthography of Ludwig Gay, the Russian pronunciation would be ‘job tvaju mać’, not ‘job tvoju mat’.
> the accusative of твоя мать would be твою мату = “tvayu matu”
No. The accusative of ‘твоя мать’ ‘tvaja mać’ is ‘твою мать’ ‘tvaju mać’. The word ‘mać’ stays the same. Only possessive pronoun changes in this case.

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 2 2024 20:18 utc | 200