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December 1, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-288
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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by militarywatchmagazine.com Posted by: AG | Dec 1 2024 13:38 utc | 1 It’s a trial balloon rumor. It represents a plan some factions want but don’t have the ability to implement at this time. Russian intel isn’t in the habit of making press announcements. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 1 2024 14:07 utc | 3 @PalmaSailor 2 Posted by: AG | Dec 1 2024 14:09 utc | 4 The latest from Marat Khairullin: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/nato-wants-a-punch-in-the-face-theyre suggests NATO deployment is more theoretical than achievable. An extract from the article:
Oh yes, it also features an awful warning about frostbite… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 1 2024 14:26 utc | 5 It seems that Ukraine is going to stage a counteroffensive. Posted by: salmon | Dec 1 2024 14:28 utc | 6 @6 you’ve been listening to Dima too much. He’s jumped the shark. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 1 2024 14:41 utc | 7 Ukraine will launch an offensive once they send the 18-25 last generation into battle. It’s not imminent but once conscription is increased probably about 6 months from then to an attack. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 1 2024 14:52 utc | 8 And the RF continues to gain more and more ground everyday on every front………its over….the Ukronazi power grid is now toast…….whole UAF units are deserting……the Kursk fire pocket is collapsing……. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 1 2024 15:19 utc | 9 Why drop the dnieper bridges and trap Ukrainians there to fight? Dropping the bridges which isn’t easy and would have negligible impact on military logistics which would and probably already does have hundreds of hidden underwater bridges ready to go, pontoon bridges, hell you can even use half destroyed bridges and walk across them. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 1 2024 15:27 utc | 10 Ukraine Weekly Update, 29th November 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-f5c Posted by: The Busker | Dec 1 2024 15:28 utc | 11 @10 Posted by: Merkin Scot | Dec 1 2024 16:02 utc | 12 Posted by: AG | Dec 1 2024 13:38 utc | 1 Posted by: madmarc | Dec 1 2024 16:12 utc | 13 @10 Posted by: Ed | Dec 1 2024 16:20 utc | 14 I only post intermittently here, perhaps a couple times a month, but I read the blog daily, and honestly, use it as one of my primary sources of news. So, big thanks to b and the regulars here for helping me stay informed about what’s really happening, since actual news organizations long ago became political organizations. Posted by: The Owl | Dec 1 2024 16:20 utc | 15 Here is a visual of the progress made by the Russians in November alone… over 80 towns were liberated… Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 16:22 utc | 16 Neofeudalfuture@10….logistics wins and looses wars, crippling bridges is sound military strategy, especially rail bridges (most important part) which move high volumes of heavy equipment . Having your military riddled with grifters and grafters will bog you down, needlessly wasting manpower and resources. Stop making excuses for bad military planning. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 1 2024 16:24 utc | 17 I’m not sure how he gets the monthly data, but Willy has DS showing 730 kmsq for NOV, which would equate to 24.3 kmsq per day. Or about a 50% improvement over the OCT pace of 17/day. Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 1 2024 16:28 utc | 18 With this article lacking sources for the RU statement – it could well be again a lie by the West. i.e. RU never said that above phrase. Posted by: Ed | Dec 1 2024 16:28 utc | 19 Why would Russia agree to freeze anything ,its front line is moving rapidly West. Posted by: snake | Dec 1 2024 16:31 utc | 20 Posted by: snake | Dec 1 2024 16:31 utc | 20 Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 16:36 utc | 21 Oh yes, it also features an awful warning about frostbite… Posted by: Mary | Dec 1 2024 16:40 utc | 22 What is going on? Were many of the alternative bloggers merely stalking horses that have revealed their true colors since Trump was re-elected? Have both sides stepped up their disinformation campaigns to hurricane force? Have Russian losses really increased substantially in the last weeks? Is there any realistic proof of the almost unbelievable claims of DPRK troops in Ukraine? Why do we still have no real information about the Oreshnik strike? Posted by: Ed | Dec 1 2024 16:41 utc | 23 Posted by: Ed | Dec 1 2024 16:41 utc | 23 Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 17:11 utc | 24 Just looked at the Weather Channel 10 daay forecast for Kiev. Winter has arrived. Highs in the lower thirties for the next 10 days with some rain and snow on some days. Doesn’t bode well for the city dwellers. I hope this will start a migration from the cities either to other countries or relatives that have heat (and water). I hope that Russia keeps hitting the electric grid until it completely collapses, that might bring a revolt or a change in “leadership” that will be ready to negotiate (surrender). Posted by: ctiger | Dec 1 2024 17:17 utc | 25 I hope that Russia keeps hitting the electric grid until it completely collapses, that might bring a revolt or a change in “leadership” that will be ready to negotiate (surrender). Posted by: Salmon | Dec 1 2024 17:28 utc | 26 Posted by: ctiger | Dec 1 2024 17:17 utc | 25 Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 17:39 utc | 27 https://www.wetter.com/wetter_aktuell/wettervorhersage/7_tagesvorhersage/ukraine/kyiv/UA0KC0001.html Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 17:40 utc | 28 @ einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 17:39 utc | 27 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2024 17:42 utc | 29 @ Neofeudalfuture, §3: Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 17:47 utc | 30 Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 17:11 utc | 24 Posted by: Ed | Dec 1 2024 17:54 utc | 31 Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 17:47 utc | 30 Posted by: ossii | Dec 1 2024 17:56 utc | 32 Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 17:47 utc | 30 To be involved in a diplomatic settlement that ends the bloodshed, Americans would have to demonstrate genuine humility and honesty. Therefore the possibility of it ever happening can be ruled out. Posted by: chunga | Dec 1 2024 18:02 utc | 34 33: Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 1 2024 18:04 utc | 35 The way Trump wanted to end Ukraine war was anyway NOT meeting the base requirements set by Russia, particularly a final and not temporary settlement of Russia security goals. Posted by: scc | Dec 1 2024 18:04 utc | 36 Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 17:39 utc | 27 Posted by: ctiger | Dec 1 2024 18:07 utc | 37 Posted by: ossii | Dec 1 2024 17:56 utc | 32 Posted by: Ed | Dec 1 2024 18:10 utc | 38 @ snake Posted by: I forgot | Dec 1 2024 18:13 utc | 39 These criminals would rather plunge us all into a war first…with March 2025 being a decisive date. Posted by: Salmon | Dec 1 2024 18:18 utc | 40 Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 1 2024 18:04 utc | 35 Posted by: Ed | Dec 1 2024 18:19 utc | 41 THIS IS FROM CNN Posted by: ld | Dec 1 2024 18:21 utc | 42 If Trump/Drumpf ends the war in Ukraine or any war for that matter, it will be only because his zio-owners want it so. Which means it will be done to either collapse entire regions and nations straight into blackrock/zio ownership, and/or to set up even bigger wars and genocide within a few years. Posted by: Jack M | Dec 1 2024 18:22 utc | 43 re: I forgot | Dec 1 2024 18:13 utc | 39 Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 1 2024 18:30 utc | 44 We have no information about the Oreshnik strike because damage assessment is a valuable commodity in war. 10x for a new class of weapons. Disadvantage of deploying prototypes directly to war. Whether the target has been destroyed determines whether more attacks are necessary. There is no doubt the target that was hit had long term implications for Russia’s security. In our lifetimes we will maybe never know exactly how effective these Kinetic weapons are as civilians. The kinetic energy is there but how it is distributed as function of design. Allowing the enemy damage assessment facilitates design improvements. Posted by: Fred | Dec 1 2024 18:31 utc | 45 It is strange how Ukrainians always manage to repair the electric grid. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 1 2024 18:56 utc | 46
Electric grids are surprisingly resilient. they are not repaired but patched up. The patchwork Posted by: Catilina | Dec 1 2024 19:07 utc | 47 Outrage Grows As Pentagon Confirms Depleted Uranium Rounds Headed To Ukraine Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 1 2024 19:12 utc | 48 The peacekeepers freeze the war plan is very unimaginative considering the conditions and the past. Obviously worthless with a ‘not agreement capable” adversary. The Anglo Americans have violated the second rule of war. Don’t believe and make plans on the bullshit you feed to the masses. Posted by: circumspect | Dec 1 2024 19:15 utc | 49 The following quote is from the Michael Brenner piece from the empire section of The Week In Review but fits here
He rightfully asks how Trump is going to resolve this in a day or so. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2024 19:37 utc | 50 He rightfully asks how Trump is going to resolve this in a day or so. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2024 19:49 utc | 51 Ukraine will launch an offensive once they send the 18-25 last generation into battle. It’s not imminent but once conscription is increased probably about 6 months from then to an attack. Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 1 2024 19:52 utc | 52 Posted by: Fred | Dec 1 2024 18:31 utc | 45 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2024 19:56 utc | 53 I voted for Trump because I don’t give a shit about anyone’s Preferred Pronouns! Posted by: OldFart | Dec 1 2024 20:05 utc | 54 30 degrees in Kiev? Posted by: Mary | Dec 1 2024 20:17 utc | 55 einer der Nachdenkt | 1. Dezember 2024 17:39 UTC | 27 Posted by: frillo | Dec 1 2024 20:24 utc | 56 Posted by: The Owl | Dec 1 2024 16:20 utc | 15 Posted by: Milites | Dec 1 2024 20:24 utc | 57 Posted by: Catilina | Dec 1 2024 19:07 utc | 47 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 1 2024 20:31 utc | 58 Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 1 2024 19:12 utc | 48 Posted by: Milites | Dec 1 2024 20:48 utc | 59 I was in an old thread, so reposting here: Posted by: proflutz | Dec 1 2024 20:52 utc | 60
Half a century ago, I was a fly on the wall at an institute of technology, listening to endless discussions of this very topic. The consensus was that resource wars would be inevitable by the first quarter of the 21st century – which seemed a long way away at that point. The elites will easily take whatever they can from the masses, and fight hard and dirty amongst themselves for what remains. Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2024 20:58 utc | 61 Not sure if this is a real photo, but if, then it looks like a big hole. And if there were several of these… Posted by: nevetz | Dec 1 2024 21:08 utc | 62 Re: Trump and Ukraine Posted by: Ezzie | Dec 1 2024 21:14 utc | 63 @ Ed, §41: Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 21:43 utc | 64 Re: No. 45… Posted by: OldFart | Dec 1 2024 21:56 utc | 65 Chornarus? Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2024 21:57 utc | 66
Yes, the cure came to us 2000 years ago and was brutally murdered, as he expected. Humanity will continue to suffer until we have been utterly humbled and cured of our delusions of grandeur. Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2024 22:03 utc | 67 Engler: Trudeau’s ‘Good Guys’ and Bad Reveal Hypocrisy of Supporting US Empire Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 1 2024 22:07 utc | 68 @ Drifter, §66: Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 22:10 utc | 69 @ Drifter | Dec 1 2024 21:57 utc | 66 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2024 22:16 utc | 70 At Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 1 2024 22:07 utc | 68 Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Dec 1 2024 22:16 utc | 71 If Zelensky cedes territory in exchange for NATO membership, maybe they should rename the country or remove some letters from the name. Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Dec 1 2024 22:18 utc | 72 Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 22:10 utc | 69 Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2024 22:30 utc | 74 @ ossii, §32: Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 22:33 utc | 75 Could someone be so kind as to provide some reading suggestions on the 2008 Russo-Gergian war? Posted by: TG1 | Dec 1 2024 22:41 utc | 76 Neo 10 – If RF drops most of the Dnieper bridges at one time, but leaves several of bridges intact it could cause panic among the UAF forces. This could cause a mass rush to get to the river’s western bank (leave one of the Kieve bridges intact – just imagine the retreating army moving into Kieve in pell mell fashion…) Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 1 2024 22:41 utc | 77 It´s not far from there to persuade the masses (and, by extension, the governments) Posted by: Night Tripper | Dec 1 2024 22:50 utc | 78 re: Merv Ritchie @ 72 – How many Canadians have died in Ukraine? Sorry Merv don’t know but far more than the dozen or so Global Affairs Canada officially claims. Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 1 2024 22:51 utc | 79 @ Night Tripper, §80: Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 22:55 utc | 80 TG1 | Dec 1 2024 22:41 utc | 77 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 1 2024 22:57 utc | 81 Must be a lot of Zionists here. You’re always talking about “Nazis” in Ukraine. Probably as many in that country as in US. Negligible to BS on the right wing meter. Pick up a book on Ukrainian history. YouTube and Substack are not legit sources of information, just opinion by the Cult of the Amateur (read that book first). Posted by: Johannes | Dec 1 2024 22:59 utc | 82 theres an interview with zelenskiyjiyy(however thats spelled), where hes been asked about the neonazi battalions of azov, aidar etc and how theyve been incorporated into the ukrainian army. Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 1 2024 23:05 utc | 83 @ Johannes | Dec 1 2024 22:59 utc | 83 Posted by: boneless | Dec 1 2024 23:05 utc | 84 This may be because the ardent Trump supporter is slowly realizing that Trump cannot end this war the way HE thought… without embarrassing himself in front of his own system or forcing the system to get rid of him. It is entirely possible that Trump is happy with Biden’s escalation… in the hope that he can use it as an excuse. Like every Western politician, HE is primarily concerned with saving face… not with people or democracy… Posted by: kupkee | Dec 1 2024 23:06 utc | 85 Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2024 22:03 utc | 67 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2024 23:15 utc | 86 On March 15, 2024, the Russian Defence Ministry stated that Canada had sent 1,005 mercenaries to fight in Ukraine, and that 491 were then KIA. Posted by: visitor | Dec 1 2024 23:24 utc | 87 Posted by: Johannes | Dec 1 2024 22:59 utc | 83 Posted by: visitor | Dec 1 2024 23:26 utc | 88 @ LoveDonbass, §87: Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2024 23:27 utc | 89 DS map update/analysis: Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 1 2024 23:35 utc | 90
Not just Kiev, but also Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Dneprodzerzhinsk, and Kremenchuk, and often those cities are not really divisible, i.e. power plants would be on one side of the river, waste water treatment on the other, etc. You know the Ukies will shut down access to whatever is on their side out of spite – because that is exactly what they have done every time in the past (Crimea most famously, but also Donetsk has no water for a third year in a row now because they shut it down the moment they no longer had to keep water supply to Mariupol going). Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 1 2024 23:43 utc | 91 Posted by: Johannes | Dec 1 2024 22:59 utc | 83
So a guy writing in the Weekly Standard criticizing “Web 2.0” as evil “Marxism” – LMAO – and he is inherently praising “traditional media” as somehow a wellspring of truth and learning? Again – LMFAO. He’s not even keeping the ‘apples’ and ‘oranges’ straight. Many of us would agree in principle that Web 2.0 and the elevation of rank amateurs is bad, that’s more a reference to the generation of “influencers” who chase clicks, likes, follows, etc. and not a reference to well read, experienced writers at Substack and geopolitical experts who use YouTube (before they get censored, demonetized and replaced by “influencers”). Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 1 2024 23:57 utc | 92 More on this “Cult of the Amateur”…
Cannot match the resources to lie and cover up that the mainstream traditional media has? Good! Don’t have the bandwidth and money to flood the airwaves and information ecosystem with accusations of WMDs? Excellent! It means those Substack authors and YouTube geopolitical commentators/experts are far more beholden to the truth – and must EARN their audience’s trust! Does that apply to The Grauniad? Der Spooogle? NYT? WaPo? LOL! And he mentions Wikipedia. No shit, Sherlock! Wikipedia – on any matters of economics or geopolitics – is completely run and managed by people pushing the same narratives as corrupt, lying western governments through their more traditional (aka “legacy”) channels. The CIA has full control over Wikipedia on those matters and narratives. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 2 2024 0:03 utc | 93
Much western projection? As the ‘good book’ asks, why do you pay such attention to the mote of dust in your brother’s eye but overlook the boulder in your own? Posted by: Lengai | Dec 2 2024 0:22 utc | 94 Trailer to “At the edge of the abyss” Posted by: Mary | Dec 2 2024 0:26 utc | 95 An informative breakdown of the NATO training of so-called-ukrainian brigades by History Legends is out. Posted by: boneless | Dec 2 2024 0:29 utc | 96 Posted by: Johannes | Dec 1 2024 22:59 utc | 83 Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 2 2024 0:29 utc | 97
Engler made much the same point when he appeared on “Crosstalk” with Peter Lavelle recently. He’s quite good at linking different struggles and issues together. Posted by: NH | Dec 2 2024 0:33 utc | 98 No real revelation here but the west starts to understand that is severely outgunned without Nukes. The question in my mind is Trumps action as his belief has always been that small attacks are necessary for respect ie his accounts of covert attacks on Russian soldiers in Syria. Yes I think he is really that insulated and stupid. My belief is Trump will perform some sort of attack on Russia as soon as he is in office as a precursor to negotiations as he believes that creates a position of strength. Frankly I do not think Russia will accept anything but a declaration of Ukrainian neutrality and that is not on the table. Posted by: Fred | Dec 2 2024 0:44 utc | 99 Y’all keep on about this Chernorus or Chornorus or wut… Posted by: Fubar El Haq | Dec 2 2024 0:52 utc | 100 |
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