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The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-314
Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:
Well, I was busy doing the Christmas rounds. There weren't any posts.
Other issues:
Empire:
Palestine:
Eastern Europe:
Syria:
South Korea:
A very important (thus long suppressed) document on U.S.-Russia relation following the end of the Soviet Union:
Ukraine:
Post-Imperial arrogance …
Use as open (not related to Ukraine and Palestine) thread …
First comes this:
I gather Lavrov had nothing better to do on this Sunday than to submit to another interview. I’m unwilling to count how many this makes in 2024, but I’ll guess it’s one per week, although even that seems too few, “Lavrov Talks Arms Control & Negotiations with Rossiya Segodnya,”
https://karlof1.substack.com/p/lavrov-talks-arms-control-and-negotiations
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 29 2024 23:39 utc | 42
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(I read what Karl wrote and replied respectfully here:)
@ 42 karlof1 | Dec 29 2024 23:39 utc | 42
My opinion is that Lavrov was directed to front the media again to correct and clarify in simple terms the confusing things he said at his last press conference. Which he does here more specifically: only addressing the confusing issues. for example [snip]
Lavrov was never that specific or detailed the list of key issues in his last press conference.
But again unfortunately, Lavrov skips over, overlooks the implications of the two security treaties presented by Russia to the US and Nato in Dec 2021. That being that any and all US Nato military personnel and weapons deployments would be banned from Ukraine and the 1997 Nato expansion nations.
So no Nato or US airborne troops or bases in Poland, Baltics, Eastern Europe ex-warsaw nations etc No Missiles systems in Romania either. NO Nato expansion to Ukraine or anyone else.
I say Karl’s interpretation about others ” the myth of NATO rollback arose from” is wrong. The people who use the phrase do not say it means “the removal of those states from NATO” – this is an incorrect interpretation and assumption made by Karl of other peoples statements imo
When this phrase (the Rollback of Nato) is used it means “deals with the deployment of military forces (and weapons) on the territory of non-NATO states at that time (in 1997) Meaning the current deployments must be rolled back to a 1997 status It is what they have always said and meant. [snip]
Posted by: just in | Dec 30 2024 0:45 utc | 50
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In response this childish loser and disrespectful creep Karl, responds with this cowardly insult dropping my name :
I see we have a new flea. Lavrov had yet another interview with TASS on Monday. Our new flea didn’t bother saying that the supposed “rollback” hasn’t ever appeared in any other presser of speech by either Lavrov or Putin since the SMO began. And what triggered that to happen? NATO and Outlaw US Empire’s refusal to deal specifically with Russia’s serious security proposals, wherein Russia warned it would need to resort to a “military technical operation” if rebuffed. The basic kernel of what Russia wants security-wise has formed the basis for its negotiations since the outset. That position has now hardened to the fact that Russia and its Eurasian partners intend to formulate a new Eurasian Security Structure that negates the need for NATO and replaces it. [ IRRELEVANT ] Clearly given the great obtuseness shown by the Trump camp, Lavrov and Putin have reiterated themselves to do what they can to ensure Russia’s position is understood. We continue to have lots of proof they aren’t understood, and not just here at MoA. [PRESUMPTUOUS & IRRELEVANT to my well known point]
Just for fun, I conducted a Yandex search using Lavrov rollback as the search terms and was not at all surprised to get zero responses. [ Again Irrelevant time wasting which proves nothing at all ]
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2024 5:55 utc | 66
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JI: Has he lost the plot completely or is early onset on it’s way? Because he ignored everything I said; and added in that the Dec 2021 security treaty proposals were a CORE ISSUE for the kinetic action launched in the SMO. Meaning the resolution of the Dec 2021 Nato/US security treaties with Russia are essential for the settlement of the Ukraine war and what happens next. That INCLUDES the Roll Back of Nato Forces and Weapons systems being removed from the eastern NATO nations and Ukraine back to a pre-1997 status.
Whether Lavrov and Putin mention this every time they mention the topic of ending the Ukraine war, is irrelevant and besides the point. It is a core part of their demands and has always been so, since the war began in Feb 2022.
If Karl or others wish to deny this fact, then I suggest they have become delusional and lost touch with reality and the facts. Or drunk. Normally I would be more polite but this creep has relinquished all decency in mislabeling me a FLEA! How pathetic and thin skinned can one get than this?
I reassert that Karl’s framing and accusations against Trenin and about Article 4 what Trenin actually meant by *the Rollback of Nato* are false and unfounded. This is not that difficult to understand.
https://www.swentr.site/russia/609691-what-ukraine-should-look-like/
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https://karlof1.substack.com/p/ray-mcgoverns-incorrect-interpretation (About Trenin)
karlof1@66…..Karl, you are confused, Putin and Lavrov also, no offence, but it’s not that the ‘west’ is not understanding what Russia wants, misunderstanding what Putin and Lavrov say, Words Words Words…….the ‘west’ doesn’t give a rats ass what Russia wants….plain and simple and it will get even simpler once Trump takes power……nothing will change for Russia other than they will embolden the ‘west’, more assets in Russia will go poof, more sea assets will go plop, more shadow fleet fuel will be confiscated……can Russia supply effective military escorts for all its shadow fleet ships? There is always the chance the west will have a change of heart with Trump in office……
Cheers M
To date, Russia has done nothing to scare FUKUS…..magic rockets cloaked in secrecy are not scaring anyone….especially when the perpetrators have nothing to fear.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 30 2024 15:18 utc | 100
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JI: Plain enough. Has sean the leprechaun morphed into a FLEA too? This is what biased cowards do. Hit and run attacks to go hide away on it’s substack. Pathetic sad and creepy.
@ karlof1 | Dec 30 2024 5:55 utc | 66 with the bar flea outing….thanks
The drums of war are beating loudly in the West. They want to get a big one on before Trump takes office or soon thereafter….you can smell the desperation.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 30 2024 6:04 utc | 67
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JI: Drop the irrational Conspiratorial hogwash psycho! Try to grasp what it is I said and what it means, along with others (if you’re capable and not only a biased Karl Groupie) Please seek reason and intelligence grounded in facts instead.
karlof1 | Dec 30 2024 5:55 utc | 66
I think you are a weakling. When anybody has a different opinion to you you accuse them of being a bar flea and you never address them directly – nor counter what they say directly. You never justify anything. You speak in code words. Your reply makes no sense whatsoever. Why do you get so rattled and why do you assume your so perfect and right all the time? You sound like a whining old woman actually. No, you actually fight like a gay queen. :-/
Posted by: Philly | Dec 30 2024 9:25 utc | 79
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JI: That fits.
Runaway karl. Go hide. That is what lightweights always do. (GRIN)
Posted by: just in | Dec 31 2024 1:50 utc | 123
A New Year’s Message of Hope and Opportunity
I don’t know about you, but for me, 2024 has been the most difficult and painful year of my life so far. It began with the unimaginable loss of my 38-year-old son to suicide after a two-year struggle following a devastating car accident. Nothing seemed to get better after that. Like many of you, I’ve grappled with the relentless challenges of making ends meet, paying rent, and managing the soaring food prices here in the West.
As hard as it has been, I can’t help but think about how much worse it must be for those in the global south, living in conditions of abject poverty with little to no hope for a better future. Or for those enduring the horrors of war, like the people of Ukraine or Gaza, who have faced years of destruction and loss.
As we stand at the threshold of a new year, it’s impossible to ignore the weight of the world—the wars, the climate crises, the inequalities, and the injustices. Yet, even in the shadow of such challenges, I believe there’s value in looking inward and outward for light.
This new year, I wish for each of us to find moments of personal peace amidst the chaos. We may not have the power to change the world overnight, but we can nurture kindness in our daily lives, seek understanding in the midst of division, and extend support to those around us.
While the world feels fractured, let us focus on the opportunities for small, meaningful victories:
In our communities: Lending a hand to someone in need, supporting local efforts for change, or even offering a smile to brighten a stranger’s day.
In our personal growth: Setting small, achievable goals that make us feel stronger, more fulfilled, or closer to our values.
In our connections: Cherishing the people we love, reaching out to those we’ve drifted from, and being present for the moments that truly matter.
The world may not make sense right now, but within the uncertainty lies the chance for us to redefine what truly matters, to focus on what is within our control, and to create beauty where we can.
Here’s to a year of resilience, compassion, and hope in the midst of the struggle. Together, we can make a difference, however small, in our own corners of the world.
Happy New Year to you and yours. May it bring the strength to endure, the courage to act, and the grace to find joy where it blooms.
Peace be With You.
Posted by: just in | Dec 31 2024 7:02 utc | 143
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