Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 8, 2024
Syria Falls

I have yet to fully understand how this could happened at the speed it did happen:

Syrian government falls in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad familyAP, Dec 8 2024

BEIRUT (AP) — The Syrian government fell early Sunday in a stunning end to the 50-year rule of the Assad family after a sudden rebel offensive sprinted across government-held territory and entered the capital in 10 days.

Syrian state television aired a video statement by a group of men saying that President Bashar Assad has been overthrown and all detainees in jails have been set free.

Syrian Prime Minister Mohammed Ghazi Jalali said the government was ready to “extend its hand” to the opposition and turn its functions over to a transitional government.

“I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country,” Jalili said in a video statement. He said he would go to his office to continue work in the morning and called on Syrian citizens not to deface public property.

He did not address reports that Assad had fled.

During and after its fight against takfiri terrorists Syria had come under heavy sanctions. Its main assets in the east were under U.S. control. Israel's airforce was bombing its military infrastructure at will. It was ripe to fall.

As soon as the bogus ceasefire in Lebanon was signed Turkey unleashed its takfiri 'Syrian rebels', many of them foreigners, against Syria. These were exceptionally well armed and trained. They have (vid) night vision equipment, drones, artillery, Starlink communication and a capable, professional command.

The Syrian Arab army proved to be unreliable. Some units just vanished. Others were ordered to retreat in haste even before coming under pressure. One wonders how much of its command level has been infiltrated or bribed.

Throughout the last months Syria's allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.

Syria is now likely to fall apart. There will be many bloody acts retributions. A large number of people will seek refuge.

The 'axis of resistance' has lost its main connecting rod. Logistics between Iran and Lebanon will become very difficult.

Resistance however will continue.

A few tweets that caught my eyes:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – 23:17 UTC · Sep 5, 2013

The terrorists in Syria are calling themselves REBELS and getting away with it because our leaders are so completely stupid!

Mark Sleboda @MarkSleboda1 – 4:27 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

RIP Syria. My God so fast. Western/Turkish intel co-opted/bought/blackmailed essentially the entire Syrian military & admin into just standing down, and the economy was so hallowed out by sanctions and occupation of Syria's oil and wheat that the state was incapable of resisting.

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil – 17:42 UTC · Dec 7, 2024

Ibrahim Amin of Al-Akhbar wrote a few days ago that Russia had warned Bashshar Al-Asad that the axis is collapsing and urged him to reconcile with Moscow-approved Syrian opposition. He refused. Erdogan tried to reconcile with him and he refused. Not sure what he was counting on.

Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 – 2:51 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

There is no Syrian revolution. There is the CIA-run counterrevolution. They sound the same, but are complete opposites.

Syria has lost its sovereignty to competing gangs of Turkish and Israeli-backed jihadist mercenaries who are united in their hate for religious minorities. A dark day for humanity.

Alon Mizrahi @alon_mizrahi – 5:06 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

Bear with me: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin to not swallow the bait, right? And make Syria the West's headache, instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil – 16:17 UTC · Dec 7, 2024

I never have a good word to say about the Syrian regime (and never written or said a word of praise for the regime, since Hafidh Al-Asad days) but: how can we talk about Syria and not talk about Israeli-US plans for the region to destroy state and society in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Libya? No matter how ugly a regime is, US and Israel manage to replace it with something much worse. Look at Libya and Iraq. In Afghanistan, the US established a regime so repugnant that people preferred the Taliban.

Michael Tracey @mtracey – 5:59 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) which has now seized power in Syria, was declared by the US State Department as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist group on May 17, 2018. What's the "over-under" on how much longer that designation remains in place?

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> chanting “Christians to Lebanon
…where Shia would happily kill them
there seems no good prospect for this sectarianism-reeking region 🙁

Posted by: Arioch | Dec 8 2024 21:41 utc | 401

@Oliver Krug:
“But that’s not a bad thing, because those who were motivated by Ms. Merkel to flee from Assad to Germany can now return to their beautiful country.”
I know you have been around the bar so I’ll presume implied sarcasm there.
We all know that these people got used to their new digs courtesy of Merkel, and with plenty of welfare benefits and blond women to rape, they’ll politely decline.

Posted by: Ghost ofZanon | Dec 8 2024 21:41 utc | 402

Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 21:35 utc | 399
*** Former head of MI6 Sir John Sawers told Sky News: “I think Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani, the leader, has made great efforts over the last 10 years to distance himself from those terrorist groups and certainly the actions we’ve seen of [HTS] over the last two weeks has been those of a liberation movement, not of a terrorist organisation.”
He added: “It would be rather ridiculous, actually, if we’re unable to engage with the new leadership in Syria because of a proscription dating back 12 years.” ‘
Expect Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani to be removed from the US State Department’s ‘Specially Designated Global Terrorist’ list in the near future.***
So — as one of their main allies and sponsors since they started — the UK Political Establishment is now whitewashing the terrorist organisations HTS/IS/AQ.
“Proscription” of which was always a media facilitated sham.
The UK mass-media and establishment politicians should all be arrested under their own anti-terrorism laws.
If not — why not?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 21:51 utc | 403

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 21:51 utc | 404
So it goes.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 21:56 utc | 404

People were quite surprised at how fast the Iraqi army folded, too. Eventually, it turned out that a good part of the top officers had been bought of. I expect the same here – and if Iran and Russia got word of it, it explains both why they pushed Assad to compromise and didn’t want to get involved.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 8 2024 12:07 utc | 87
I also saw this as a potential Russian sell out, but this is a very reasonable alternative explanation. Let’s see what happens now in Ukraine, Russia folds or goes for broke.

Posted by: Organic | Dec 8 2024 22:02 utc | 405

@380 Delhi
Possibly, but it could also be said that if the Turks had not sided with the central powers and had not been as harsh on fellow Muslim Arab nationalists, Arab Muslims might not have sided with the British. Russian differences and French claims regarding Ottoman empire helped shape the whole, but clearly Britain should have kept its agreement.
History is a dangerous place, as they say.
However what is going on before us now cannot be confused, for the little sense it makes:
“Israel” (or west etc.) carries out genocide of Muslims. Those that react get attacked by other Muslims, ‘friends’ of those who don’t react, who are themselves ‘friends’ of those who have genocide visited upon them.
As non-Muslim, I look upon Muslims as equals.
Therefore the point of view of Islam as the common denominator or overiding reality does not stand out as true. If Muslims viewed each other as as important or worthy as each other for being Muslim, they would not kill each other.
I suppose it is all about who is a true Muslim.
I don’t think Islam was created or exists to pit people against each other over its interpretation.
Maybe that is not the right view though.

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 8 2024 22:04 utc | 406

Posted by: Ghost ofZanon | Dec 8 2024 21:41 utc | 403
‘We all know that these people got used to their new digs courtesy of Merkel, and with plenty of welfare benefits and blond women to rape, they’ll politely decline.’
I was shocked by this sentence. For ‘these’ people to single out blond women to rape shows a complete disregard of western inclusivity values. What about brunettes, redheads, bald women etc.?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 22:05 utc | 407

Way back when the Turks lived far away on the border of China, what is now called Turkey was part of the Celtic Confederation.
Time that country was restored to its rightful owners?
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 21:36 utc | 400
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That may be true, but according to Turkish understanding, it was the Ottomans who brought culture and civilization to these lands with Islam.
We have to give them credit for the longest period of peace in history under the Ottomans in this regions.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 8 2024 22:11 utc | 408

I can’t help remembering the fall of the Gaddafi regime in Libya. The joy of western liberals. the French president and UK PM punching the air before cheering crowds in Benghazi.
Where are they now and what do they have to say about Libya?
Can’t blame Assad for getting the hell out, asylum and exile in the frozen wastes of Russia is far preferable to being buggered with a bayonet by a rabid bunch of headchoppers.
Those Syrian generals and troops that took the money instead of fighting for their land will live to regret it, if they live at all.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 8 2024 22:12 utc | 409

@JB | Dec 8 2024 15:41 utc | 220
>>do Iran and Russia know what they have done? […] They are out of the game precisely because they treated it as a game.
Your words ring true. Plausible reports that many Syrians have had it with the Russkies. Strange, seems they didn’t look for a partner who was smart and restrained. They needed someone who could protect them, and create conditions for a viable economy. Blame the Syrians too much, and you’ll fail to predict that Putin’s games will trip Russia up everywhere they are tried in the Global South.
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@financial matters | Dec 8 2024 15:45 utc | 221
>>Putin was waiting for Arab populations such as Jordan and Egypt to help with Gaza which didn’t happen.
Alexander Mercouris thought that as long as Israel was steaming with messianic war fever, BRICS and other were biding their time because any diplomacy would fall on deaf ears. Only after Hezbollah had smacked the IDF around a bit on the ground and war fatigue had set in in the Entity could a political track be tried. The usual “Time is on Russia’s side” instinct, or at least a version of it. But, and not to belittle the courage of the Houthis, without outside help a decapitated Hezbollah just wasn’t strong enough.
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@JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:26 utc | 210
>>Iranian official media have issued explanations as to why Iran has not gone all-out in support of Assad.
Well good to have all that from an official source; so now we can trust that Iran was blameless. Before long we’ll have the full set of such statements, which will allow us to conclude that it was nobody’s fault really–it just sort of happened. How much gloom can a person put up with: I think Russia preserved a minimum of honor, a not-quite-stooping-to-their-enemies’-level, by sheltering Assad and especially his family.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 22:17 utc | 410

Assad left in style.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 8 2024 22:23 utc | 411

409 – I find him a bit suspect. Scrolling through the comments, the older ones are admiring, sometimes sycophantic, the later ones somewhat less so.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 8 2024 22:24 utc | 412

Posted by: EoinW | Dec 8 2024 15:00 utc | 201
“We all hate them but the simple fact is the emotional recklessness of the Israeli/Americans has prevailed over the cautious rationalism of Russia/Iran. The emotional lunatics were determined to win at all cost. Now let’s see how quickly they become victims of their own success.”
It was the exact opposite. US/IS/RU all played rationally. Putin had to choose to try and finish Ukraine. To fight a losing battle in Syria, where their own soldiers were deserting, and rightfully so, would have been a terrible waste of resources. IS/US played this cool-handedly. We’ll def see if they become victims of their own success, but for now they seem to be in the catbird seat.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Dec 8 2024 22:28 utc | 413

The US is bombing Syria. B-52s, F-15s, A-10s. Anything that flies against anything that moves.
Ukraine take note:
In Syria the USA is killing today the people we trained yesterday. (centcom)

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 8 2024 22:38 utc | 414

some of the sad reality
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1865801475596906567
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
This is what #Israel is destroying so that its air force can have a free run over #Syria.
Syria is unprotected and Israel has the support of the USA to do anything and take any land.
https://x.com/GlobeWarReport/status/1865796357446844698
Global war Report. @GlobeWarReport
🚨- NEWS – Footage of a destroyed Russian made Assad regime (#SAA) Pantsir-S1 Surface-to-Air air defense System burning on the Highway outside of Damascus, southwestern #Syria…

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 8 2024 22:42 utc | 415

Ma Laoshi@2047
Let’s face facts here. Yesterday’s thread was swamped by intel hirelings, AI “characters”, and other bandwagon types who scented blood likely due to prior information from unindicted sources. Your postings seemed to come out from out of the blue and characteristically were anti-Assad, anti Axis of Resistance and favoring the Headchoppers, even if only tangentially.
Essentially, frequent posters such as myself were simply swamped by a chorus which appeared and still appears to be highly coordinated by U$$A, Perfidious Albion, Izzy and Turkish “managers”. Deny that if you will, but in the face of extremely heavy flack, many of them had either never posted here before, some few who had mostly lurkers…along with semi-regular or even regular pet trolling posters who happily jumped on the Takfiri bandwagon.
Were you guilty of supporting any tendril emanating from the enemies of humanity? Perhaps you should review your own statements in the llght of the extreme pressure which was employed by “interested” parties. The ganging up on behalf of the Uber Agenda was unprecedented on this site.The pressure was intense and it was immense.
As a a general rule, my procedures include the interjection of humor into the postings. I found no humor whatsoever in your “contributions”…rather insinuations which exacerbated the tone of the entire day.
Being of primarily Viking ancestry, whenever I detect injustice or rank stupidity, I do tend to strike out on a personal basis. Thus, whatever I dished out to your postings was a direct consequence of the swamping of MoA in a coordinated manner. You are no Lao Tze, nor certainly resembling any of the wise elders during the eras of the Celestial Kingdom; rather the noise of a totally deracinated and clinically insane cult-sure.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 22:51 utc | 416

Oliver Krug @2055
Your statements still seem to be emanating from some “Christian” Zionist, or possibly with a connexion of the Bundesnachrichten Dienst. Most of those who fled to Germany did so for two reasons, maybe three. In the first place, they wanted to get out of a dangerous war-zone. Secondly, German social benefits appeared quite desirable. Thirdly, they likely consisted of family groups who preferred neither the multipartite culture which the Alawites had assembled, nor the Headchoppers.
So do you actually expect that those refugee migrants really would feel comfortable being ever at the whims of criminal headchoppers?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 23:00 utc | 417

Pardon my US prole ignorance, but who are these rebels?
What is their political ideology, political project, and objectives?
What are their cultural values?
Who funds them? Who are the allied with? How did they mount this offensive?
Is this another US CIA Color Revolution?

Posted by: bill wolfe | Dec 8 2024 23:08 utc | 418

Passerby @ 416

The US is bombing Syria. B-52s, F-15s, A-10s. Anything that flies against anything that moves. Ukraine take note: In Syria the USA is killing today the people we trained yesterday. (centcom)

If that’s true and seems it is it’s the most interesting thing of this entire Syria event. It would suggest they built up a very large pirate army, turned out they didn’t need it, and now they need to get rid of it before it goes amok and screws everything up. B-52s do a lot of wide area damage, they are salting the earth, Carthaginian Peace like Libya.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 23:09 utc | 419

ZH says IDF ground forces have entered Syria.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Dec 8 2024 23:14 utc | 420

criminal headchoppers?
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 23:00 utc | 419
Apt description. Imperialism has literally handed them a state. The most recent evidence of its shocking and rapid decline. Could this be more pre Trump chaos causing to foil his ability to resist policies already set in motion by the interagency folks, as Crooke calls them?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 8 2024 23:16 utc | 421

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 22:51 utc | 418
I agree with you that yesterday’s thread was ‘swamped’ by new posters and it could appear as if this was coordinated.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 23:18 utc | 422

Your postings, such as this one, tells me that you happen to be living in the past. Evidentially, you are a dialectical materialist and maybe even consider yourself as one of those “Vanguards of the Proletariat”. Silly shit, based on nothing more than hypersonic left brain, abstract reasoning. Spiritually inert and still stuck in a Cartesian/neo-Darwinist mindset.
So passe’. Ungrounded, urbanist fantasies of higher levels of centralization and mind-control and stuck in neutral, incapable of visionary insights.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:46 utc | 363
All you do is insult me without providing a single argument I can counter. I understand you, as if you tried your hand at open debate I would eviscerate you.
In essense you are a cunt. Fuck off.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 23:21 utc | 423

bill wolfe @ 420

Is this another US CIA Color Revolution?

It’s not a color revolution, dearie, it’s called a war of conquest.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 23:24 utc | 424

Oh, and…
“Ungrounded, urbanist fantasies of higher levels of centralization and mind-control and stuck in neutral, incapable of visionary insights.”
Is there no end to your word salad, fucker? Foucault would be proud…

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 23:24 utc | 425

@ aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:40 utc | 361
Pretty not too bad overall analysis. You did overlook one factor, though. It was not a matter of Ukraine holding out for nearly three years against the R.U. Without immense financial and military support; the puppet Maidan regime in Kiev would have collapsed at least 18 months ago…if not sooner.
It was that overwhelming financial support, easily skimmed and some back paid to “interested parties” in the U$$A which kept the Ukie bandwagon afloat. Ditto, all the massive input of shiny military toys.

Thank you! Fully agree that UKR hasn’t held out against R.U for 3 years on it’s own. You’re absolutely correct it’s only been able to keep fighting with gargantuan support not limited to weapons, $, training, actual boots on the ground and lets not forget a ridiculously good ISR complex that is mostly out of reach of the RF without going down a path that will lead to a full nuclear exchange.
However, there’s one key fact that remains why Ukraine wasn’t Syria. When RF went in they were facing enough AFU forces that were willing to fight. More than they anticipated. For me the giveaway was always that the RF went in incredibly light, initially 70-80K troops that were perhaps expecting another Crimea but maybe with a few troublemakers that would need to be quickly dealt with. And to be fair in some areas this is exactly what happened where they literally drove in and the mayor was like “kewl guys, let me help you put the flag up!” But, this turned out to be the exception and not the norm and once the collective west saw that the AFU was giving the much smaller RF force a black eye (even while losing ground) that’s when they went all in and it hasn’t really let up since.
By comparison, I would argue if the SAA was even… 50%? As willing to fight as the AFU was, likely the incursion may have succeeded in taking Aleppo but nothing more -or- getting bogged down somewhere inside of the city. Then once things stabilized and the initial shock wore off it would have been a very different story as all those clean and happy people we saw in the tiktok videos would actually be fighting instead of posing for selfies!
Instead the fall of the city (to me) seemed to be an accelerant not just for the Army but pretty much with the entire country giving up (or not being too upset at the idea of the ruling regime going away) pretty much every SAA unit (or enough… 80%? 90?) basically decided to either trade in their uniforms for civvies, join the other team or take a trip to the border as we saw entire full battalions of combat infantry in full, untouched kit do exactly that.
If your people aren’t willing to fight (for you, or a cause, or just in general) I guess the lesson here is it’ll be over before it’s begun.

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Dec 8 2024 23:34 utc | 426

Helmchen@2107 Dec 8
Thanks for the information. Seems to me that thieves, murderers, banditti and the “chosen” Genociders may come to some mutual accommodations for the present…but inevitably there will be friction. Thieves generally have agendas which they lose their cool with each other…and then the fun begins.

Posted by: arisodemos | Dec 8 2024 23:43 utc | 427

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 22:17 utc | 412
I read a post of yours earlier today asking b to consider banning a fellow poster. I’m sure that won’t sit well with the vast majority of patrons of the bar.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 23:46 utc | 428

If Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani has grown a brain since is youth when he was a head chopper, he should know that its sponsors cannot be trust. And if he genuinely wants to give a future to Syria, I would expect him to retake all Syrian territory and not only the east. Considering the speed of the advance in the east and the absence of real resistance from the Syrian army, could it be possible that HTS and Russia have an agreement? Russia could certainly help in this task of reconquest. As a matter of fact, al Jawlani stated that the Russian assets are not threatened. For now of course.
Perhaps somewhat candid but who knows? It would not be the first time that a US proxy in the Middle East would not reman proxies…

Posted by: scc | Dec 8 2024 23:49 utc | 429

Lightyears F.H @2118
You nailed it. The whole matter was mostly between a couple of egomaniacs, Nuts ‘ Yahoos and “Sultan” Erdogan. Nutsi is all about the Yanon plan for Eretz Yisroel…from the Nile to the Euphrates; while the would be new “Sultan” is a Pan-Turkish nutcase who would like him and his kids to rule the entire band of Turkish speaking countries…right up to the Chinese border…and even into it.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 23:49 utc | 430

LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 19:57 utc | 369–
Analysts and their analytics are what policy is formulated upon. Bad analytics=Bad policy. I somewhat wrote about that relationship in my afternote to “The Union State on its 25 Anniversary”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 23:54 utc | 431

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 22:17 utc | 412
I read a post of yours earlier today asking b to consider banning a fellow poster. I’m sure that won’t sit well with the vast majority of patrons of the bar.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 23:46 utc | 430
True, but trying to be fair here, aristodemos did seem to go overboard yesterday with his accusations of “troll!”, even against long-time, clearly non-troll posters like aleph_null. Went to far with it.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 8 2024 23:56 utc | 432

aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 23:49 utc | 432
*** The whole matter was mostly between a couple of egomaniacs, Nuts ‘ Yahoos and “Sultan” Erdogan. Nutsi is all about the Yanon plan for Eretz Yisroel…from the Nile to the Euphrates; while the would be new “Sultan” is a Pan-Turkish nutcase who would like him and his kids to rule the entire band of Turkish speaking countries…right up to the Chinese border…and even into it.***
Could become .. interesting .. in the area controlled by Kurds.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 23:59 utc | 433

Siddhartha @2318
Thanks. Glad to see that one of the MoA regular posters caught the same vibe…the swarming by stooges.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:01 utc | 434

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 8 2024 23:56 utc | 434
I agree that aristodemos did use the ‘troll’ accusation a lot but this site is one of the few forums where you can express your views and read other posters’ views (whether you like them or not) without censorship. Long may that continue.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 9 2024 0:05 utc | 435

Siddhartha @2318
Thanks. Glad to see that one of the MoA regular posters caught the same vibe…the swarming by stooges.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:01 utc | 436
The swarming was everywhere. And the main vector of attack was (and remains) “its all Putin’s fault!”. As if only Russia’s military can be expected to “save” the Assad government, even though Syria’s own military didn’t put up a fight. Same line of Nafo attack against Russia only, across many forums. And many good, non-troll posters here and elsewhere also seem to believe this. “Only Russia and Putin is to blame”, not the Syrian military hierarchy.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 9 2024 0:11 utc | 436

Clown Shoes 428
Brian Berletic makes the point about Oct 7 that the USUKIS response had been planned , officially one year in advance, but more likely before then as a pretext to start this new war in the region. In fact he diagnoses very long term infiltration of the local media in the target countries like Syria. Facebook comes to mind.
I think he’s right, because Assad is universally detested in the region because of his spy networks and prisons. More likely Facebook brainwashing than bribes caused the unwillingness to defend Assad.
Anyway Dictator brutality is so yesterday. USUKIS control is achieved by universal 24/7 spying , and the Muslim inhabitants are allowed to practise their faith freely. The Militants’ unhinged addiction to control is satisfied by this 24/7 spying. It is of course the absolute opposite to trusting in Allah, to build your society on USUKIS spy tech.
The Islsmists’ dream is to be in power and operate the USUKIS spy system for Israel. Looks like Syria finally gets digitised. Then when it is digitised, Israel can zap at will, as in Gaza.
Really there’s no ideological difference between the Nazi Zionism of Likud and the Islamofascism of HTS .
The Satanic power of spying on secrets is both haram and addictive/obsessive.
Chacun a son gout.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2024 0:11 utc | 437

Tichy Dec 8@2321
Too bad if you are incapable of understanding my critique of your embeddedment within the Marxist matrix to the point where you are still stuck in materialistic perspectives. True that Marx did have a few good insights and ideas. However, for some Marxism is a form of belief…i.e. a religion. That is also the case for all those rationalistic, academicist, materialilsts.
Perhaps a little read from the likes of Carl Jung, Rupert Sheldrake and other original thinkers and contemporary theorists would help in draining the swamp water from your cranium.
As for taking me on in an open debate…just try it. Over time I have put quite a few professors and attorneys in their place. Edjumacted fools are not necessarily the brightest stars on the Xmas Tree. A bunch of letters following one’s surname is merely the indication of the probability of a study grind. Contrarily those types get all egoed-up and consider themselves as “titled aristocraps”.
P.S. For your info, there. are NO authorities. Could be you are some kinda “educator” (ret.) or even careered as a govmint employee with nice bennies and some social recognition within a clinically insane cult-sure.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:12 utc | 438

Well, assholes will be assholes.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:52 utc | 259
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There’s no need for nukes; there’s Orezhnik now. Right …?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 17:05 utc | 267
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Perhaps, but how many? Does Russia have enough to fight a bloody war in Ukraine, Syria, and NATO and put some in Belarus as well?
Most of Tichy’s comments seem to attack Putin and Russia because they dither; he also claims that I have argued for patience from Putin and the RU Military. That is a lie. I have argued that if Putin and his military advisers console “patience,” they must have a reason.
Tichy (better to call him itchy because he is always itching for a worldwide nuclear conflagration coming from Russia) demands immediate gratification, but he isn’t serious; he is just fucking with us; notice he doesn’t criticize Biden and NATO; why not demand that the US and NATO start dropping nuclear bombs ASAP on his country.
Frankly, I think Itchy is upset by Russia’s new weapon; he had hoped that Biden (the US) had finally backed Putin into a corner so that he could crow to high heaven. Itchy is no friend of the Russian people.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 9 2024 0:18 utc | 439

Tichy Dec 8@2324
“Word Salad”? No the issue is your level of comprehension, particularly where I concentrate my thoughts into $50 words, while your comfort zone occasionally ascends to #20 Ones. I also note that the frustration you are experiencing from that situation is inducing you to resort to “naughty” words. “Qulle Amusement”, “Bon Homme”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:20 utc | 440

The fall of Damascus happened at light speed.
The fall of Kiev should have happened 2 years ago.
The West’s Bums’ Rush is set to begin.

Posted by: elmagnostic | Dec 9 2024 0:21 utc | 441

Californian here.
This seems undoubtedly a short-term win for the empire. But it’s very costly in the long run to subdue the natives.
On the other hand, big win for Russian people. In my country, if we closed any foreign military base, I, a mere citizen, would be thrilled.

Posted by: Brian from HB | Dec 9 2024 0:22 utc | 442

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:12 utc | 440
Escalating a flame-war with Tichy will get you nowhere. Waste of time. His purposes are to (1) antagonize other posters, sowing the fruits of anger, and (2) to try to prove that he is the only true Marxist and a real, genuine representative of the Working Class. Imo.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 9 2024 0:28 utc | 443

Clown Shoes @2324 Dec 8.
Keen insights in the folding up of the SAA army. Because of U$$A terroristic sanctions, the Syrian economy was basically running on fumes. $40 per month doesn’t exactly cut it for putting one’s life on the line. Then add in the instant bombing of Syria by the airfarce of the Evil Ones, the Genociders…even without any reprieve via those they considered their friends and allies to deal with those bass-turds in their pressure.suits…their morale was shot and thus, they naturally resented apparent negligence by their own government as well.
There are numerous nuances in this national/international tragedy, so thanks for filling in some of the blanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:28 utc | 444

naBisco@2356 Dec 8
Aleph_null, as somewhat of a mid-wit, simply pissed me off. Yes, he is a longtime poster here, kinduva trolling motor type of fisherman, rather than employing a casting-rod. Generally harmless.
Inadvertently his postings appeared to segue into some of the heavy flak coming from the tuned-in trolls who exploded outta nowhere. During those episodes I was boiling mad at the infestation of the bought and paid ones and Aleph simply blundered into the feedback.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:35 utc | 445

naBisco @011 Dec 9
Astute and balanced point of view regarding yesterday’s blame game. Thanks

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:39 utc | 446

i guess no one thought bribery took place, lol… i need to calibrate my thinking to something simpler – ie blame putin, lol..

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2024 0:41 utc | 447

Elma Gnostic@021 Dec 9
One more time, dude, your perspectives do not appear to even vaguely resemble Gnostic thought. Maybe good idea to switch screen-names. In this instance b. may not mind overmuch. In all of his researches he likely has explored the tenets of gnosticism.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:45 utc | 448

What surprised me about the fall of Assad was that there was no resistance to the HTS from his ‘loyal’ base of co-religionists. The elite units of the Syrian Arab Army were exclusively manned by his fellow Alawites. Why didn’t they ‘go down fighting’?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 9 2024 0:46 utc | 449

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:35 utc | 447
I’ll just say that I don’t think aleph_null is a “mid-wit” (a very abusive term, one step shy of “retard”). I don’t always agree with him though. There is a lot of emotions now with this crazy-fast fall of the Syrian govt and Assad getting asylum in Russia.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 9 2024 0:51 utc | 450

@ michaelj72 | Dec 8 2024 22:42 utc | 417
Look on the bright side. Sure, the Zionazis are destroying everything in Syria that can be turned against them. But they’re also destroying things that could have been smuggled to the Ukronazis.
Meager consolation, but one takes what one can get.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2024 0:55 utc | 451

Already did some comments on the other threads, had missed this one completely, but will just say a couple of things.
1. This was a coup de main with very limited resources, any serious fire from RF could have, if not aborted, at least strongly damaged the whole thing (same for us planes Brrrrrtttting reinforcements)
2. Currently, now that assad is gone, us is bombing to hell the not too trustworthy ISIS that were so much fun protecting while they were a pain in assad’s a***. Once again, RF not dropping out would render that option highly perilous
3. Even IDF’s bombing of syrian infrastructures could fall under the above situations.
All in all an empty shell of syria as a turkish client state is also something that might upset not few of the apparent allies right now. What was the deal for syria (apart from and ukranian quid pro quo) is still unknown, the tartus lease is good for another 40 something years and so far the new rulers have assured safety for bases and diplomatic facilities…
Speaking of which, how will turkey deal with its new, de facto, neighbor (israel)? And will turkey’s little greedy eyes turn to irak or lebanon?
Now that they broke syria, they own it, good luck.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 9 2024 0:58 utc | 452

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:39 utc | 448
Thanks. And to be clear, momma toshi’s call to ban you was way out of line. But emotions are high.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 9 2024 1:00 utc | 453

“i guess no one thought bribery took place, lol… i need to calibrate my thinking to something simpler – ie blame putin, lol..”
Posted by: james | Dec 9 2024 0:41 utc | 449
Heh, that is the main thrust of the trolls and it has serious traction with even the best of the best non-trolls. Seems like karlof1 has gone “blame Putin” too. Excusing the SAA, ignoring deals that were probably made (including likely deals mase with Assad himself). Nope, to them, Russia is entirely to blame, Putin “sold out”. Ignore all the factional realities, pretend all real Syrians just love Assad. Ignore that many Palestinians are celebrating the fall of Assad. Nope, Putin is the only bad guy.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 9 2024 1:10 utc | 454

Such a BS DEAL is NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT ISN’T WRITTEN ON!!.
Also – WHY WOULD RUSSIA EVER MAKE ANY SUCH BS DEALS WITH THE AGREEMENT INCAPABLE WEST?!?
They deserve to lose if that is how they are thinking – spouting rubbish about the AGREEMENT INCAPABLE WEST and then looking to cut a worthless deal?!?
Pathetic if true and pathetic speculation.
Russia doesn’t even occupy 20% of Ukraine – The West are not going to just hand over the other 80%!!!
Never going to happen!
Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 15:52 utc | 224
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Julian, calm down. If the nasty side of politics and war upsets you so much, perhaps you should take up gardening. There are no agreements or “deals” involved with the fall of Syria; there is just the understanding that some things are inevitable and can not be prevented. Remember that politics is war carried on by other means. Dialectically, that also means that war is politics by other means as well: The dialects of Syria will continue to play out for many years to come.
The Russian people did not adopt Syria as a new oblast of Russia; they tried to help, but apparently, Bashar al-Assad was not a game player; that’s not Putin’s fault. In the meantime, Russia and Iran are fighting their own existential struggles against international imperialism. If they decide that the Syrian question is beyond their capability to control, should they jump in anyway? Should Russia say fuck the US proxy war in Ukraine, and to hell with the Russian people and their sons who have already died in Joe Bidens war?
Is Russia obligated to save a sinking ship at any cost, even though it is not theirs, and the Captin will not cooperate? The Western imperialists would love that; it is, in fact, why they chose this moment to lose the hounds of hell on the people of Syria. It was a win / win for the Western imperialist, whatever President Putin decided to do or not do. In other words, it was a TRAP!
So, like I said: Get a garden and dig a hole.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 9 2024 1:17 utc | 455

Siddhartha | Dec 9 2024 0:46 utc | 451–
Indeed, many have asked your question. This Russian MFA PR has a potential answer:

We are following the dramatic events in Syria with extreme concern. As a result of Bashar al-Assad’s talks with a number of participants in the armed conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic, he decided to leave the presidency and left the country, instructing to transfer power peacefully. Russia did not participate in these negotiations. At the same time, we appeal to all parties involved to renounce the use of violence and resolve all issues of governance through political means.
In this regard, the Russian Federation is in contact with all groups of the Syrian opposition. We call for respect for the opinions of all ethnic and religious forces in Syrian society, and we support efforts to establish an inclusive political process based on UN Security Council Resolution 2254, which was unanimously adopted. We hope that these approaches will be taken into account by the UN and all interested players, including in the context of implementing the initiative of the UN Secretary-General’s Special Representative for Syria Geir Pedersen to urgently organise inclusive intra-Syrian talks in Geneva.
At the same time, all necessary measures are being taken to ensure the safety of our citizens in Syria.
Russian military bases in Syria are on high alert. At the moment, there is no serious threat to their safety.

Why fight for a president who flees?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2024 1:23 utc | 456

Speaking of which, how will turkey deal with its new, de facto, neighbor (israel)? And will turkey’s little greedy eyes turn to irak or lebanon?
Now that they broke syria, they own it, good luck.
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 9 2024 0:58 utc | 454
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It sounds like it is way past time for Iran to Nuke Up. Iran held back on “religious” grounds; they may regret that in a short time, or maybe they already have them or are close to having them.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 9 2024 1:28 utc | 457

Will it really be that terrible if Russia has to abandon the Syrian naval base and army base due to the new political realities? Seems really bad, but remember Oreshnik. If Turkey ever tries to block Russia’s navy from the Mediterranean at Dardanelles, there is now the Hazelnut option.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 9 2024 1:28 utc | 458

@438 naBisco and Aristo etc.
Yes, a lot of ‘heavy metal’ on the site these last days. Even Craig took flack for presenting from a ‘westernised’ viewpoint of the conflict, detailed as he was about it.
Add to this those who dislike Assad but apparently via western propaganda narrative (which has been argued against by others), or due to ‘elite Alawite’ but forgetting the pre-civil war elections deemed fair and held to counter western imposition (how anyone blames Assad when it is west that has ransacked the country I don’t know).
The whole show corresponds with alignment with Iran and failure to liberalise, in reality.
Pluralism vs secularism vs autocracy vs theocracy are a nice palet for any arguments also.
I question Russia though. It did not come on side, nor during repeated “Israeli” bombings nor to close access routes to south. Goodbye Syrian moral.
The question is why ?
Syria isolated as it was was not worth saving ?
Other deals ?
Pressure from west not to (i.e. they would attack Russian assets) ?
Many possibilities, many questions.
As with Iran, the backing was not there when it mattered – not talking of a battle but of a whole country, not to mention reputation.
The idea that west will have a mess to deal with now is not realistic. This is all ‘somewhere else’ , opportunities now abound.
And it continues…

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 9 2024 1:30 utc | 459

@ naBisco | Dec 9 2024 1:10 utc | 456
well, i think karl is wrong about that, but i respect karl and all that he provides and am a member of his substack feed!! also i believe long term this is a negative for israel and will lead to more problems for them… but short term it looks good for them… erdogan has illusions of granduer in being the ottoman reincarnation of ataturk, lol.. i am quite certain russia, iran and china have his number…

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2024 1:36 utc | 460

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 9 2024 1:30 utc | 461
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Why? Please look at comment 457.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 9 2024 1:37 utc | 461

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2024 1:23 utc | 458
But they didn’t fight before he decided to flee. I’m confused by all of this.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 9 2024 1:38 utc | 462

@ Siddhartha | Dec 9 2024 1:38 utc | 464
he’s been hanging on for a very long time… maybe he is burnt out and needs a break from pushing a rock up a hill?? the fact usa controls the oil and wheat fields to the east, israel periodically bombs them – more regular the past week, and erodgans headchopper cult has been accepted in idlib by the ”leaders of the free world ( lol ) ‘ – it is a hard hand to work with… perhaps leaving is a prudent thing to do for the long term well being of syria and syrians more generally.. hard to know..

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2024 1:47 utc | 463

In response to

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2024 1:23 utc | 458
But they didn’t fight before he decided to flee. I’m confused by all of this.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 9 2024 1:38 utc | 464

A bigger game is in play and I expect there is more excitement to come soon…..the global pot is boiling and some are trying to save lives instead of take them.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2024 1:47 utc | 464

Too many people think that Russia role is to be subservient to Iran and Hamas needs. Most Russians could care less and are glad that Russia is getting out of the Middle East.
It’s not their fight.

Posted by: riversnew1 | Dec 9 2024 1:54 utc | 465

In fact he diagnoses very long term infiltration of the local media in the target countries like Syria. Facebook comes to mind.
I think he’s right, because Assad is universally detested in the region because of his spy networks and prisons. More likely Facebook brainwashing than bribes caused the unwillingness to defend Assad.
Anyway, Dictator brutality is so yesterday.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2024 0:11 utc | 439
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In Assad’s defense, Syria is a country surrendered by mortal enemies. It is impossible to be a liberal democracy when, as a nation, you are surrounded by enemies on your periphery and internally; to demand it is a tactic of Western Imperialism. The objective conditions, internally and externally, will determine the form of government that is possible in any state.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 9 2024 1:54 utc | 466

@463 Ed
Obviously I am aware of that viewpoint, it has its validity.
You are saying though that:
Russia is abandoning east west corridor ?
Russia can make a territorial agreement with one government (Tartus), watch it be overthrown and still keep that agreement ? (This speaks of a deal)
Russian reputation as guarantor of defence of a territory is worthless?
Etc.
Fine.
Point being though that Syria under Assad and what it agreed and stood for has been conceded. Therefore Russia should not occupy the territory, should leave and then (try to) strike new deals with whatever new government.
To do otherwise looks simply opportunistic.
Aside, here is Peter Ford, long interview before Damascus was reached, but he touches on many points of consideration. Have only skipped through it just now
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M0dE82F7qEM

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 9 2024 2:23 utc | 467

“Syria: A Battle Lost Amid a Wider War”
35 minutes. Brian Berletic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcN2aZgr8Yg
Pinned by The New Atlas:

The Syria army was hollowed out from years of fighting and a crippled economy.
They were set up to fight against an enemy from 5-10 years ago – not an army today armed with cheap but effective ISR and attack drones along with large amounts of arms and ammunition.
The drones in particular made it difficult to impossible for Syrian forces to stand and fight. Their positions were not prepared against drones, every movement they made was scoped out, and when they withdrew to new positions it would start all over again.
Once it became clear there was no real way to defend against the advancing NATO-backed terrorists there was no point in continuing to fight.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 9 2024 2:57 utc | 468

naBisco | Dec 9 2024 1:10 utc | 456–
And just where have I directly implicated Putin for this fiasco? I indicted Russian Policy that’s crafted by a TEAM, although Putin as president is front man for all things Russian that feeds the dictator/authoritarian BigLie. The Russian MFA PR makes several interesting admissions, but did you or anyone else on this thread since I provided that info even noted it?
Siddhartha | Dec 9 2024 1:38 utc | 464–
The PR said Assad held talks with the opposition and then made his choice. How secret were those talks? Were SAA generals bribed as some have suggested? Clearly, there’s lots of info hidden in the fog, which is something I suggested early-on. I’m doomed to watch and there’s nothing I can do to change that except to try and find more info if that’s what I decide to do.
psychohistorian | Dec 9 2024 1:47 utc | 466–
Yes, the ability to control covertly is being lost in the West, Romania being the latest example. Simplicius cites the CNN infomercial with the Terrorist as one bit of evidence for his hypothesis, which has some validity. Lavrov noted that performance too at Doha. The Terrorist Foreign Legion is on the march as NATO has no real military or political capacity to perform another Libya. And it appears Syria isn’t over at all but is just getting started again. What’s been cooking in the back kitchen over the last year is unknown, but something most surely is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2024 2:57 utc | 469

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discusses Syria crisis, Ukraine war | Talk to Al Jazeera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiAe4oWxycI [37 mins

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 9 2024 3:24 utc | 470

Syria’s economic lifeblood was sapped by the US’s theft of its oil and the elimination of agriculture. This situation persisted for roughly a decade. The state was hollowed out and ultimately succumbed to these wounds. This was attritional warfare by siege and sanctions.
Ukraine is also being hollowed out by an unsupportable attritional conflict, though more active and faster acting than the Syrian case.

Posted by: a stone | Dec 9 2024 3:32 utc | 471

Hence, I now have much more respect for Pezeshkian thanks to you.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 8 2024 11:29 utc | 56
God, you are an uncouth interlocutor; Rubiconned was right, you are nothing but a ignorant narcissist.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 8 2024 11:23 utc | 52
no one cares about you. please stop posting

Posted by: borg | Dec 9 2024 4:13 utc | 472

At least concerning revenue Russia has resolved this with its own pivot to Asia. My guess is that this new reality of gas pipelines from the Gulf States to Europe through Syria will be a top priority and underway immediately. Any hopes and vestiges of Russia retuning to the gas market in Europe is forever done with. I expect Russia to walk and don’t look back, to shut down completely their gas sales to Europe, they’ve kept that door open till now, offered up that carrot, or that wedge into USA-EU politics. No going back to Europe for Russia, if they keep selling gas to Europe, even to honor contracts, I’m going to go bang my head against the wall.

I’d hate to be that guy, but to paraphrase what Rubiconned said in the previous Palestine Open Thread, just because Russia pivoted East and found a lucrative market there doesn’t mean throwing away 700 million or so customers living next door with long-established trade relationships and infrastructure. Likewise, I don’t imagine that the Gulf States’ gas supply would prevent Russia from competing in the market. Bang your head all you want – I’m just saying that I wouldn’t get drawn into false dichotomies.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 9 2024 4:23 utc | 473

@Son of Alabama:
“Pezeshkian is a snake within a nest of western vipers. Everything he says from here on in needs to be scrutinised.”
You’re VERY perceptive! He indeed IS a snake and is no Raisi. He and his side kick ZARIF, are utter MORONS who are PRO WEST.
I have a friend who lives in Iran and during the election that caused Pezeshkian to rise, she said, “He’s a LIAR and a SNAKE! Jalili would be the best and most obvious choice, someone who carries on Raisi’s vision for a strong Iran who won’t take shit from the Zionazi entity!”
Something about all of this WREAKS of back room deals and bribes! The Syrian Army barely put up a fight, some even abandoned their posts as the jihadis made their way to Damascus.
Meanwhile Iranian FM is in Doha, for a chat with the FM there, while Hezbollah is sitting in complete SILENCE as the Israhelli regime bombs and invades. If Nasrallah had not been betrayed as to his whereabouts, along with the Hezbollah leadership assassinated, he NEVER EVER would have agreed to a ceasefire!
Insofar as US as-empire-don’t-fuck-with-us, it is a complete paper tiger. The ONLY reason it gets away with what it does is FEAR. FEAR OF IT AND THE ZIONAZI in the middle East. The projection of fear MUST be overcome by US/ISRAHELL perceived opponents, if they don’t want to be otherwise regime changed for theft of their resources. If Russia caves, it will deal with MORE activity on its border. Look what is happening in Georgia! Russia can’t give an inch to the West. At all because NATO will never stop trying to push up to Russians border. There is lots of wealth to steal from Russia. Why Putin would encourage Assad to give it up, is baffling. They will now have to worry about jihadis near THEIR border. It was part of why they helped Syria in the first place.
As for Assad, why the hell is he painted as stubborn for not wanting to give up his country to TERRORISTS?
Unbelievable what’s happening but at the same time, there is a whole lot of bribes and betrayal going on. In my mind, Hezbollah and Iran have lost ALL credibility. Iran stood watch as Lebanon and Gaza were bombed to dust. They never followed through with the third promised attack on Israhell.
Something STINKS to high heaven in Dodge, folks! I wish my fellow Americans would wake the hell up!
Anyway, looking forward to more analysis, B.
Also, I highly suggest everyone visit Kevork Almassian ‘s YouTube channel (also on Rumble), called Syriaanalyses. He gives an excellent commentary on what is going on..

Posted by: Kay | Dec 9 2024 4:30 utc | 474

James@147 Dec 9
“perhaps he is burnt out and is simply tired of pushing a rock up a hill”. Precis’ and agreed with your assessment on Assad’s departure from the scene.
He fought the good fight for years on end against several enemies of humanity, including the U$$A; Perfidious Albion and Mi6’s “white helmets”; Erdogan the aggrandizing sleazy backstabber…and of course the Izzies, the #1 pet of the Rottenchild Crime Clan, as initiated with settlements funded by Baron Edmund de Rothschild in the early 1870’s.
As a relatively laid-back Ophthalmologist who suddenly was cast on his father’s death into the seat of power and which he was not particularly suited for that role in the first place. Then he fell into a personalized cult of personality as all the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune (Willy the spear shaker) gradually sapped him of the energy essential to combat such a nest of vipers as the ones cited in the previous paragraph.
Long term, Bashar Assad will be considered by honest and truth writing historians as actually a hero of sorts, who like El Toro in a Spanish coliseum was gradually taken down by evil vipers and cunning bank$ters.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 5:11 utc | 475

Borg@313 Dec 9
As one who has not read much of the earlier sections in this thread, I can only say that I have enjoyed and respect many of Canuck’s contributions. So with no further ado my perspective would be to give due consideration to Canuck’s statements in a general sense before heeding The Borg.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 5:21 utc | 476

USUKIS should remember , seeing the rise of Turkish Nationalism, that they are playing with fire. We remember the US
neocon bitches during the Syrian War praising Al Qaida bulldozing through the Syria-Iraqi border in their successful attempt to secure Kurdish oil from Mosul.
So you temporarily suspended International Law, and Russia temporarily put it back again for 10 years. Now you use headchoppers to again break International Law, and Russia will use that action to again give you a taste of its firepower.
I hope Trump likes dancing because he will very soon be dancing to the tune of International Law in Palestine. The Faustian pact between Erdogan getting Syria and Israel getting Gaza + the
West Bank has Thucydedean implications.
You mess in my back garden, I mess in yours. First rule of life is keep your back yard clean. Which basically means take responsibility for your choices in life. You broke the peace in Syria. You will pay the price of your mistake in Palestine. Your genocide in Palestine will be met with a genocide in Israel.
Your choice, not ours.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2024 5:51 utc | 477

If Assad leaving was unavoidable, then probably this moment was the most propitious: the Biden administration a lame duck, the Trump administration not yet sworn in.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 9 2024 7:17 utc | 478

Assad was being welcomed back into the “fold” by SA and other Arabic States. This renewal of a Sane and quiet ME did not sit well with the US, Turkey or Israel.
I think Assad was hoping that the worst was behind and he could see a potential lifting of sanctions etc.
I must have been a crushing blow to find out that all his efforts FOR Syria were nothing (and there were many, and quite a lot of rebuilding going on) to the greed of others in Syria itself. ie. Generals. I am surprised that there are so many who now claim to be “anti-Assad” and are returning to help with the looting. BUT; The photos “showing” lines of cars, does not show the direction they are taking. They could also be leaving, rapidly (Shia and Christians).
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This morning the US bombed —- Who? They claim ISIS (Which they “support¨ !). But it is more likely that they bombed anything representing a resistance to themselves or Israel. Could even be the “reward” for HTS for helping the Turks!
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Sorry, but I have not read the most recent comments above yet. Lots to assimilate before breakfast.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 9 2024 7:37 utc | 479

@JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:06 utc | 203
>>Will Biden be boasting that the hated Assad was removed from power on his watch, not those of Obama or Thump 1.0?
You called it: he already did.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 9 2024 8:23 utc | 480

Me being a simpleton, it’s all simple.
The basis for corruption is dollar – pertrodollar.
Generals, officials, mercenaries, simple people all around, all take it.
It’s not so profitable to buy to dollars to buy generals.
Twitter and dollar, that’s what Musk and Trump care about. Do NOT abandon the dollar, I repeat do not… Do not sanction Twitter, or we’ll leave Europe at the mercy of eastern hordes.
So, first things first – you build a basis for non-corruption. Or at least for a kind of corruption you need, your kind of corruption or, better yet, achievement.
There are only a few countries in the world who have necessary qualities. It’s China, it’s Russia, it’s Iran.
Eyes on the prize.
All that to say – Syria was not a failure of Russian military planning, intelligence or diplomacy. It’s cold, hard understanding what matters right now.

Posted by: js | Dec 9 2024 8:23 utc | 481

I suspect that Assad was concerned about the survival of his family and believed that he didnt have a chance to repel the onslaught.If it is true that Assad had been effectively blackpainted via the social networks that certainly contributed to Assads judgement.
The whole of Europe has been effectively brainwashed by our own msm and on top of that the US has deliberately stolen Syrias oil etc.
The establishment of competing clans that were undermining Syrias military would lead to unstoppable consequences of bribery plus all the hitech that the US oligarchy used to support the terrorists. It is quite reasonable that Assad and those he communicated with among Russia Iran etc would have all agreed about it being a lost cause/case.
So in that hopeless situation better try to save the family.
Millenia ago Plato realised that democracy is a bad system and one should seek to leave governace to the best suited. I learn that from Cynthia Chungs last piece.
That is of course double edged. Is there any way to bridge the dilemma of electing the best vs allowing democracy?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Dec 9 2024 8:37 utc | 482

Okay stopped at 340-something or so.
Too much cope, and far too soon. I get that people need it —I sympathize— but it is no comfort at all.
Many hard questions are in desperate need of answering, is the core problem that answering them will do even more harm? Hmm, so far it sort of looks like some people see it that way but no matter how bad it is leaving it all open to speculation must be worse?
Blaming everything on Assad is as much bullshit as everything else.
Syria is/was far too important for such an “excuse” as blaming Assad for (rightfully) not signing up to a shit deal. There would have been alternatives, one could provide support nevertheless, if warnings were made months ago then significant preparations and support could have been provided months ago (they all have the ability, yes even the Chinese); so it is not actually an excuse and does not actually make any sense at all.
I’m ditching the original comment I was thinking of posting except for this bold part:
Anyone in China, Iran, or Russia, who think this fall of Syria doesn’t ___directly___ weaken their own borders are as wrong as can be.
It would be nice if they could show that they actually grasp this, just so that we/they are not all off into cuckoo-land. In action. But I guess it’s too late for that now.
Right now it only looks like this is going to get much worse. Don’t these people understand that they are already in an existential conflict? Because they don’t act like it and I’m not buying any of the stuff said or suggested so far.
Something has to be missing. I don’t want to believe that China, Iran, and Russia are run by morons, it would be extremely demoralizing. A real explanation is needed.
It should never have come to this, Not in Syria, not in Lebanon, not in Palestine, yet it has.
What the fuck?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2024 8:52 utc | 483

notice he doesn’t criticize Biden and NATO; why not demand that the US and NATO start dropping nuclear bombs ASAP on his country.
Frankly, I think Itchy is upset by Russia’s new weapon; he had hoped that Biden (the US) had finally backed Putin into a corner so that he could crow to high heaven. Itchy is no friend of the Russian people.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 9 2024 0:18 utc | 441
That’s silly. I don’t put a lot of energy into criticizing Biden or Zelensky because I know Biden is my enemy. If you’d read the stuff I write on, for example, Quora, where I engage with actual right wing swine, you’d see a whole different story. I can give you links, but I guess you’d just think I’m engaging in self promotion. The reason I am critical towards Putin is that right or wrong, I perceive him a strategic ally, perhaps a temporary one but still, to our cause – the destruction of the American hegemony. At the same time, Putin is the representative of the Russian national bourgeoisie. I’ve put a few links here to articles of the Russian Communist Workers Party. They are sorta close to my standpoint.
I love Russia and Russians. I’ve visited Russia a few times and at least, I used to be able to speak Russian. (Those language skills sadly erode quickly when they are not put to use, I mean, the most I can manage today would be “priviet, menja savut Thomas” (and I’m not even sure if the latter is grammatically correct. I didn’t google translate…)
Wanna know what I did when I saw the footage of the glorious new missile? I cheered.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 9 2024 8:56 utc | 484

Over time I have put quite a few professors and attorneys in their place. Edjumacted fools are not necessarily the brightest stars on the Xmas Tree. A bunch of letters following one’s surname is merely the indication of the probability of a study grind.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 9 2024 0:12 utc | 440
“Edjumacted.” Haha. Unfortunately for you, I’m neither a professor or an attourney, I’m a metal worker.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 9 2024 9:00 utc | 485

Something has to be missing. I don’t want to believe that China, Iran, and Russia are run by morons, it would be extremely demoralizing. A real explanation is needed.
It should never have come to this, Not in Syria, not in Lebanon, not in Palestine, yet it has.
What the fuck?
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2024 8:52 utc | 485
I share in your confusion…

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 9 2024 9:12 utc | 486

@ Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2024 8:52 utc | 485
Excellent post … I am sure they are aware and have taken the necessary measures. The fall of Assad was written in the stars … in 2015 my writing:
“Turks and Sauds to Install Sunni Terror in Damascus, Syria – May 2015”
Too few courageous leaders … another opportunity is now ⁉️
Full Circle from Baghdad to Damascus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_-wxUkQn0
Former French PM Dominique de Villepin condemns Israel’s war on Gaza – pleads for Humanity and Justice in the Middle East starting with a state for Palestinians | Studio B Unscripted – Al Jazeera |
With a Salafist terror state in Syria, the unbalance created by the Iraq War of March 2003 has been undone. America’s stupid wars and the thousand-fold increase in deaths from terror and civil wars in between.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2024 9:18 utc | 487

With a Salafist terror state in Syria, the unbalance created by the Iraq War of March 2003 has been undone. America’s stupid wars and the thousand-fold increase in deaths from terror and civil wars in between.
Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2024 9:18 utc | 489
I don’t understand the final paragraph. Please explain.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 9 2024 9:34 utc | 488

I will post here since it is directly related:
https://johnhelmer.org/the-russian-general-staff-kremlin-discuss-holding-the-latakia-sanjak-to-defend-bases-agree-to-withdraw-under-turkish-safe-passage/#more-71659
At this point, it is clear we have entered a strategic phase of the war, meaning it is irrelevant whether action, and therefore posts on the blog, are taken in one theatre or another, since they have become now all interrelated in a more obvious manner than before.
People blaming Arab militaries and Assad like good ol’ Martyanov are missing the point as always. If the matter of a Syrian general being paid $50 a month means he is open to corruption, then it is up to Russia to make sure he is well paid to avoid the scenario that just occurred, you halfwit!
With all the cash being made in Africa and ME resulting from Russia’s presence in Syria, you couldn’t spare some to a few dozen key generals and warlords to keep them happy? Well, now you can say good bye to all that action as your ships sail back to not even Crimea, but Novorossiysk, since you can’t even make Sevastopol safe for your navy. Once again, so much for all those fancy missiles, when better brains and simple drones have checkmated you once again.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 9 2024 9:38 utc | 489

Whatever, I’ll post this link for Ed. https://ркрп.рус/

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 9 2024 9:51 utc | 490

We can now add Reuters to our list of shit-media that are worthless. One of the more illuminating messages here is how badly the press have spiraled. CNN giving a friendly interview to a dude on the FBI’s most wanted list of terrorists is priceless.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 8 2024 19:02 utc | 340
Thanks for absolving me of some of my guilt. You should see the newspaper rags here in Sweden. It doesn’t get any worse than this. We don’t have a single critical voice.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 9 2024 10:00 utc | 491

I haven’t seen a Russian reaction, let alone condemnation of Israeli destruction and occupation taking place in Syria. Not that verbal condemnation means much, but it does mean a little.
Watching the statements of Iranian officials and the few coming out of Russia – it becomes clearer and clearer that they don’t understand what they have done, not even the fact that they have faded, wilted, as relevant factors in international affairs. Their standing has been so badly damaged, and it will get worse with the events unfolding in Syria and the ME.
Russia will be kicked our of Syria, unless some miracle happens.
Iran, always with a principled stand on Palestine and regional sovereignty, has shown itself to be naive and short sited, because IT is the next and the prime target.
Russia and Iran can now finally sign their strategic partnership agreement and pretend they mean something.
Only a blind person could hand Syria over to notorious trigger-happy, bloodthirsty, criminal cowboys and have the nerve to tell the world that Assad wasn’t flexible, that – only the Syrian people can decide their future, there must be political dialogue blah, blah, blah.
Political dialogue, peace, security, stability, the needs of the Syrian people – with head-chopping mercenaries in the service of states with the worst criminal records in modern history. Is that some sort of sarcasm!
Who do they think they are kidding, and how dare they insult the common sense and sense of decency of every honest and concerned person on this planet.
Not once have Russia and Iran been honest about Turkey’s role in this, while Turkey is praising them, in so many words, for their role in – the destruction of Syria.
All oceans of the world will not wash away the Russia and Iran role in what is taking place.

Posted by: JB | Dec 9 2024 10:18 utc | 492

Posted by: JB | Dec 9 2024 10:18 utc | 494
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Thank you for pumping some oxygen.

Posted by: burak | Dec 9 2024 10:42 utc | 493

@ Tichy | Dec 9 2024 9:34 utc | 490
Article of mine is hyperlinked from my handle “Oui”
“Turks and Sauds to Install Sunni Terror in Damascus, Syria – May 2015”
Original from May 2015 is re-produced. The intelligence agencies knew the ISIL group funded by Saudi Arabia were to be used to remove Assad. Same actors a decade later. Year 2014 the empire sought revenge in Ukraine and setting a new world order in the Middle East … exploiting the Sunni-Shia divide in Islam … same as the first Afghan War by the British Empire in the 19th century.
The stupid Iraq invasion of 2003 shifted the balance in Iraq 🇮🇶 towards its vast Shia majority with holy sites tied to Iran. Oil producing Bahrain is also a vast Shia majority and point of fear for the Saudi kingdom.
The butcher of Christians Prince Bandar bin Sultan was instrumental to unite the terror groups of ISIL, Jabhat Al Nusra with Al Qaeda …. led to birth of HTS with support from Türkiye. The rogue group of Abu Baghdadi or IS had to be decimated. Its leader was hiding in Idlib and eliminated by U.S. Delta Force raid in 2022 … HTS was sole actor and once again armed by the GCC states and Türkiye … the ultimatum to Assad wasn’t heeded … Russia kindly passed to fight for Mr. Assad …

Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2024 10:49 utc | 494

In future, under leadership of BRICS states, will China manage to unite Saudi Arabia with Tehran … a truly historic feat since the founding of Islam. At least set their religious differences aside. So far the Saudi Kingdom has repeatedly stated there will be no normalization with the Jewish State unless a State of Palestine is established as a hard fact. The Arab League and OIC have spoken with one voice.
Qatar’s ring of fire, or its quest to redefine the Arab states and the consequences for Israel and the West. MB alliance Qatar, Türkiye and Iran. So terror is now at Israel’s doorstep. The battle continues …

Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2024 11:07 utc | 495

re: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2024 8:52 utc | 485
I agree with you.
Blaming everything on Assad is as much bullshit as everything else.
Syria is/was far too important for such an “excuse” as blaming Assad for (rightfully) not signing up to a shit deal. There would have been alternatives, one could provide support nevertheless, if warnings were made months ago then significant preparations and support could have been provided months ago (they all have the ability, yes even the Chinese); so it is not actually an excuse and does not actually make any sense at all.
I’m ditching the original comment I was thinking of posting except for this bold part:
Anyone in China, Iran, or Russia, who think this fall of Syria doesn’t ___directly___ weaken their own borders are as wrong as can be.

Putin has time and time again trusted his enemies and made agreements with them that allowed them to build up their forces and launch attacks against Russia. The Minsk Accords froze the Ukrainian conflict and gave the US 8 years to train Ukrainian military forces and build a huge defensive line all across the Donbas.
As a result of the Astana Agreements, the US was allowed to maintain its bases in Syria; the US stole Syrian oil (bankrupting Syria) and fed it to Turkey who gave it to Israel who used it to run their war against the Palestinians. Meanwhile the terrorists were trained and funded by the US and put in position to attack Syria, and Syria was not allowed to use Russian air defense against endless Israeli attacks.
b has it ass backwards when he write, “Throughout the last months Syria’s allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.
Putin is to blame to for this debacle. Perhaps Moscow is just as captured by Israel as is Washington.
The fall of Syria will hasten the genocide of the Palestinians and expand the butchery to Syria.
All in the quest for Greater Israel . . .

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 9 2024 11:26 utc | 496

And this is the word from the Russian Foreign Ministry”
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov confirmed on Sunday that “Moscow did not participate in talks on the transfer of power” in Syria.
Lavrov expressed Russia’s concern about developments in Syria, stressing that “Russian military bases in Syria are in a mode of increased combat readiness.”
He pointed out that “[Former President Bashar] al-Assad left the presidential post and Syria after negotiations with Syrian conflict participants, giving instructions to transfer power peacefully,” calling on all parties to refrain from violence and resolve problems politically.

Yes, Russia calls on all parties to “refrain from violence“.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 9 2024 11:31 utc | 497

Radio news – Westminster Minister to discuss whether murderous proscribed terrorist group (HTS) should be removed from the banned list.
Of course the West has backed this proscribed terrorist outfit from the start – aiding and funding it to give it the best chance of overthrowing Assad – which it did with the help of the likes of the US/Turkey/Israel and some other nations.
Terrorism is a tool used by the West – to help regime change.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2024 11:31 utc | 498

Iran, Russia, Turkey will decide fate of Astana peace process on Syria: FM Araghchi | PressTV |

Araghchi and his Russian and Turkish counterparts met on Saturday as part of the Astana format on the sidelines of the Doha Forum in the Qatari capital.
After the meeting, the participants issued a joint statement along with five Arab states, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, and Qatar, calling for a political solution to the Syrian crisis.
They also stressed the need “to put an end to the military escalation …, preserve the unity, sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Syria and protect it from slipping into chaos and terrorism.”

Joint Statement by Foreign Ministers of Arab Countries and the Astana Process on the Situation in Syria | State of Qatar |
https://mofa.gov.qa/en/latest-articles/statements/joint-statement-by-foreign-ministers-of-arab-countries-and-the-astana-process-on-the-situation-in-syria
My read:
More Back-Stabbing in the New Middle East

Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2024 11:38 utc | 499

@Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 9 2024 11:26 utc | 498
Everybody is weaker and in more danger…
But the events are unpredictable…hence Israel is in a hurry destroying Syrian military bases and arsenals and intelligence directorates…
https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1866058339282567501
Although this could be again theater by these well paid actors and a trap for hezbollah….who can trust these brids…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 9 2024 11:41 utc | 500