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December 8, 2024
Syria Falls

I have yet to fully understand how this could happened at the speed it did happen:

Syrian government falls in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad familyAP, Dec 8 2024

BEIRUT (AP) — The Syrian government fell early Sunday in a stunning end to the 50-year rule of the Assad family after a sudden rebel offensive sprinted across government-held territory and entered the capital in 10 days.

Syrian state television aired a video statement by a group of men saying that President Bashar Assad has been overthrown and all detainees in jails have been set free.

Syrian Prime Minister Mohammed Ghazi Jalali said the government was ready to “extend its hand” to the opposition and turn its functions over to a transitional government.

“I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country,” Jalili said in a video statement. He said he would go to his office to continue work in the morning and called on Syrian citizens not to deface public property.

He did not address reports that Assad had fled.

During and after its fight against takfiri terrorists Syria had come under heavy sanctions. Its main assets in the east were under U.S. control. Israel's airforce was bombing its military infrastructure at will. It was ripe to fall.

As soon as the bogus ceasefire in Lebanon was signed Turkey unleashed its takfiri 'Syrian rebels', many of them foreigners, against Syria. These were exceptionally well armed and trained. They have (vid) night vision equipment, drones, artillery, Starlink communication and a capable, professional command.

The Syrian Arab army proved to be unreliable. Some units just vanished. Others were ordered to retreat in haste even before coming under pressure. One wonders how much of its command level has been infiltrated or bribed.

Throughout the last months Syria's allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.

Syria is now likely to fall apart. There will be many bloody acts retributions. A large number of people will seek refuge.

The 'axis of resistance' has lost its main connecting rod. Logistics between Iran and Lebanon will become very difficult.

Resistance however will continue.

A few tweets that caught my eyes:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – 23:17 UTC · Sep 5, 2013

The terrorists in Syria are calling themselves REBELS and getting away with it because our leaders are so completely stupid!

Mark Sleboda @MarkSleboda1 – 4:27 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

RIP Syria. My God so fast. Western/Turkish intel co-opted/bought/blackmailed essentially the entire Syrian military & admin into just standing down, and the economy was so hallowed out by sanctions and occupation of Syria's oil and wheat that the state was incapable of resisting.

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil – 17:42 UTC · Dec 7, 2024

Ibrahim Amin of Al-Akhbar wrote a few days ago that Russia had warned Bashshar Al-Asad that the axis is collapsing and urged him to reconcile with Moscow-approved Syrian opposition. He refused. Erdogan tried to reconcile with him and he refused. Not sure what he was counting on.

Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 – 2:51 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

There is no Syrian revolution. There is the CIA-run counterrevolution. They sound the same, but are complete opposites.

Syria has lost its sovereignty to competing gangs of Turkish and Israeli-backed jihadist mercenaries who are united in their hate for religious minorities. A dark day for humanity.

Alon Mizrahi @alon_mizrahi – 5:06 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

Bear with me: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin to not swallow the bait, right? And make Syria the West's headache, instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil – 16:17 UTC · Dec 7, 2024

I never have a good word to say about the Syrian regime (and never written or said a word of praise for the regime, since Hafidh Al-Asad days) but: how can we talk about Syria and not talk about Israeli-US plans for the region to destroy state and society in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Libya? No matter how ugly a regime is, US and Israel manage to replace it with something much worse. Look at Libya and Iraq. In Afghanistan, the US established a regime so repugnant that people preferred the Taliban.

Michael Tracey @mtracey – 5:59 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) which has now seized power in Syria, was declared by the US State Department as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist group on May 17, 2018. What's the "over-under" on how much longer that designation remains in place?

Comments

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 17:41 utc | 285
Plenty of US and UK troops think the same about their involvement in the region.
Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 17:48 utc | 287
Looks like the Bolton boys will have to find another source of dirt to dig, to try to derail Tulsi’s nomination. Or was the bombing after their visit?
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 17:36 utc | 284
Trump, ‘Ukraine or Syria’
Putin ‘Hmm, let me think…..’
No brainer, given the Syrian deployment was seriously taxing the already seriously strained Russian strategic lift capability. The country does not have the ability to conduct more than one major exterior deployment, a legacy of decades of underfunding.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 8 2024 18:11 utc | 301

Russia looks to be leaving Syria completely.
The evacuation of the military base in Khmeimim begins tomorrow and a withdrawal from the port of Tartus is also likely. Although I think most of the ships have left already.
Reports are there are some isolated Russian military forces in Syria that also need to be brought home.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 18:11 utc | 302

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 12:24 utc | 108
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Allah a’alam.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 8 2024 18:13 utc | 303

@Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 17:48 utc | 288
This has all the look that it will serve, moreover, for the Israeli extremist genocidal regime to be whitewashed in front of the Western world by now them getting rid of the “moderate rebels” who, sooner than later, will be re-labeled as what they really are, looters, marauders, rapers and terrorists, as Israel will not live with this islamic nighboring menace at the gates…
It will be well deserved for the brute Al Julanis and the like, who will go back to where they belong, the dust of history, but Israel will get whitewashed by this move…then, once the Levant “pacified” he will come Trump´s son-in-law to take over and build real state for well off people…
Neither the Gazan original people, nor the Israeli extremist settlers will get a chance, since the current extremist government will be taken care asap too to be replaced by a new more moderate and liberal Israeli administration ( hence current demostrations in Tel Aviv at the same time Syria was falling yesterady…why losing a minute…time is gold…)…extremism is not good for business nor tourism..that´s it…
Tha “art of the deal”….they call it…lose the Syrian, Lebanese, Gazan people and all the working people of the world who never more will put a foot in Al Quds…as travelling gets as a luxurious activity for the rich people and their mariachis…in the “new empoverished medieval world order”….
Time to go medieval us too, one guesses….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 18:16 utc | 304

Assad in Moscow with family – Russian media
here (RT)
And granted asylum.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 18:17 utc | 305

Trump, ‘Ukraine or Syria’
Putin ‘Hmm, let me think…..’
No brainer, given the Syrian deployment was seriously taxing the already seriously strained Russian strategic lift capability. The country does not have the ability to conduct more than one major exterior deployment, a legacy of decades of underfunding.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 8 2024 18:11 utc | 301
Afraid you’re spot on. The question, though, why would Russia or Putin be as idiotic as to believe them?

The evacuation of the military base in Khmeimim begins tomorrow and a withdrawal from the port of Tartus is also likely. Although I think most of the ships have left already.
Reports are there are some isolated Russian military forces in Syria that also need to be brought home.
Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 18:11 utc | 302
Yes. A major strategic defeat for Russia. Let’s hope they at least will not let any cutting edge weaponry (as in the stuff they’d like to reverse-engineer) fall into the hands of the enemy. But who am I kidding, Turkey likely sold out Russia and its S-400 system years ago.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 18:21 utc | 306

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 18:03 utc | 296
…..‘imprisoned in a snowglobe of their internal experience…’
Surely we all are? One of the stupidest phrases I think is, travel broadens the mind’, all it seems to do is just stock up somebody’s confirmation bias cupboard with foreign and exotic goodies.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 8 2024 18:21 utc | 307

Expect a news report ‘Dr Assad has signed up for a refresher course at the Moscow School of Ophthalmology prior to returning to work as an eye doctor after his sabbatical in Syria’.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 18:24 utc | 308

Oh and…

Reports are there are some isolated Russian military forces in Syria that also need to be brought home.
Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 18:11 utc | 302
Make it fast or you’ll have jihadi scum posting on tiktok with live videos decapitating them. Has anyone managed to forget that video of that Russian soldier in Chechnya? I haven’t.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 18:25 utc | 309

A violent earthquake has occurred and here the crowd is full of ‘authoritative’ post mortems before the dust has settled and the account of the dead and living been tallied. The Syrian government, beaten down by a civil war, a decade of severe economic sanctions, loss of access to critical resources, and persistent terrorist attacks and Israeli airstrikes, has fallen. That, at least is clear.
Here is one assessment:
https://news-pravda.com/russia/2024/12/08/907995.html

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 8 2024 18:26 utc | 310

On 15 May 2017 the Twitter account of the U.S. Embassy in Syria published an offer of up to $10 mln reward for Julani’s whereabouts (link).

Posted by: S | Dec 8 2024 18:26 utc | 311

The Axis of Resistance is broken, beyond repair. What remains of Palestine will be completely appropriated within the 5 coming years. Those now cheering for CIA agent Al-Julani specially bred by the Americans in an Iraqi dog kennel will again falsely blame Russia, Iran and its remaining allies for this like that scum Motasem A Dalloul.
https://nitter.poast.org/HadiNasrallah/status/1865486917707481267

We gave our men, women and children. We sacrificed our villages, cities and security. We stood by you with blood when everyone else was merely condemning. We tried to save Gaza and share the pain with you. Yet you say this and cheer for those armed and backed by Israel

Syria will go down the same path as Sudan and Libya. Ruptured, raped and broken by warring factions supported by Turkey/Qatar, KSA/UEA and US/Zionazi’s. I take it Russia is making preparations against the hordes of central Asian extremist mercenaries that were used during this assault when they’ll be employed in the Caucasus.
The next big war will be fought directly with Tehran and president Donald ‘Adelson’ Trump whom B for one reason or the other has placed confidence in will be more than happy to take the credit for it. As happy like that time when Soleimani was murdered with a US drone or that time when he was happy the US empire had appropriated Syria’s oil.
Vanessa Beeley https://nitter.poast.org/VanessaBeeley/status/1865730838773600586

Made it out of Syria for the time being. Chaos rules, looting, thuggery and thieving. Gets the US Israel stamp of approval because this is what they believe in. Going through the border was a mash of gunfire, infighting and looting from every single shop and market. Terrorists on motorcycles, gunslingers and criminals. An incredibly sad experience. The house was surrounded by “rebels” drunk in “victory” from 5am, constant celebratory gunfire and around 10 they tried to beat the external door down to loot the contents of the house. Early morning Israel was destroying #Syria Air Defence with bunker buster bombs. The whole house shook. The CIA road map is always the same. The Resistance is broken and I doubt it can be repaired but the extremist mercenaries in the pay of Israel will tell you they “support Palestine”. Go on then, you are on the border now.

Posted by: xor | Dec 8 2024 18:27 utc | 312

Expect a news report ‘Dr Assad has signed up for a refresher course at the Moscow School of Ophthalmology prior to returning to work as an eye doctor after his sabbatical in Syria’.
Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 18:24 utc | 308
He’s dead, Jim.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 18:27 utc | 313

Gruntz@1725 Dec 7
Correct: Insidious planners working for the trillionaire financier elite, mostly of the Talmudist persuasion, have mulcted taxpayer money from all the Collective Wa$te via their central banking strategy. The resources they have effectually stolen are being used against the very people whom they have been steadily robbing of their resources…and time.
You are indeed correct regarding the gradual takedown of the Syrian economy…and ultimately even its military. Appears to me that the medically trained, blue-eyed, awkward Bashar al Assad, who replaced his father not so long as his elder brother…who had been the designated political heir died an untimely death. Essentially, Assad was a fish out of water. He went along with the concept of a cult of personality, with statues and posters of himself right across the land. He seemed to withdraw into a shell, lacking purpose and dynamism…as the termites and maggots gradually reduced the oldest living civilization in the Mediterranean world.
Total tragedy. Now the Headchoppers and the Izzies have already caught each other into armed confrontations. The new Beast occupying Damascus are currently taking on the Woke role…a P.R. stunt which served them well amongst the ignoranti.
A nest of murderers and thieves, which is the Turco, Izzy, U$$A, Perfidious Albion conglomeration no longer will possess a common perceived enemy, the multicultural and multi-religious Syrian people…a true marvel of cooperation and forbearance in the entire world. All of that is now under massive threats.
Thus we arrive at a new equation where chaos reigns. Will the “opposition” manage to hold their conquest together and at the same time bow down to the dictates of the Imperium? For a while perhaps. Instabillity is inevitable.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 18:28 utc | 314

Trump will reverse his former derogatory remarks about HTS as assuredly as he promotes to Secretary of State, the punk that insulted his tiny hands and wiener.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Dec 8 2024 18:29 utc | 315

Amid all the strutting and crowing, here’s a friendly reminder…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 8 2024 18:29 utc | 316

Mikhail Zvinchuk (founder of Rybar), Sarah of DD_Geopolitics and John Molera discuss the collapse of Assad’s government:
https://rutube.ru/video/3de29ab6c7dc8c89bd42980fccea2b24/

Posted by: S | Dec 8 2024 18:29 utc | 317

Bashar el Assad and family just arrived in Moscow where they got political asylum (Just see on Russian TV).

Posted by: FromFrance | Dec 8 2024 18:30 utc | 318

Throughout the last months Syria’s allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.

Our host tends to be appropriately cynical when it comes to the Empire’s dealings; but neither do I think that this should be taken at face value. This is the same “opposition” after all which b called “takfiri ‘Syrian rebels’, many of them foreigners” just a few lines prior. These fine gentlemen occupy at least two Syrian provinces (Idlib and Afrin), plus loose change if I have it right. Is Assad really at fault for refusing to compromise with Erdogan even more? For all I know, he may have thought “Screw this, if I’m just playing President of Syria while the whole world knows I’m merely Putin’s pet, then I want out.” If so, I’d deeply respect the human dignity behind the sentiment. Now if we could only find out whether “out” means exile or death for him.
Not an easy thought to accept, but so much evidence that all outside powers were in on the joke. In which case, Putin gave Assad a “compromise proposal” he knew Assad couldn’t accept, as a softer way of letting him know “Us playas have decided to ditch you; better get with the program while you still can.”
Anyway, the last part of the above quote consists of words I’ve heard one time too many. Whenever Russia or Iran is sent running for the hills, it’s always “LOL we owned them, we didn’t take the bait.” This phrase seems to be used only when there is a dire need to spin something.
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@Micron | Dec 8 2024 12:16 utc | 99
>>Lavrov […] is just an embarrassment to Russia.
Again, a diplomat is not a virtue-signaling activist. In these exact same circumstances, what would you have him say or do? It’s either resign in protest, or eat shit and shake Erdogan’s hand; or is this choice just my limited imagination. It’s not like the US, where cabinet ministers (which are called something else there) just get to make their own policies while the Parkinson-patient-in-chief dozes off.
For the venting of bad vibes, the Russians have the Duma; not sure that this is a perfect arrangement.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 18:31 utc | 319

Syria: A Battle Lost Amid A Wider War
I found the above from Brian Berletic helpful. This is indeed a dark day for humanity, which it makes it all the more imperative to resist the evil that is now ascendant. At first I blamed Russia and Iran for not doing more, then was reminded that neither of those countries have predicated their respective military capacities on imperial force projection, but rather on the immediate defense of their territories (which themselves are currently under attack as well).
Syria has been around for millennia; this is not the end.
@Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 18:17 utc | 305
Thanks for posting that; good news. I think Assad is to be commended for all he did in the most trying of circumstances; he never wanted to be president, yet he did what he could to defend the country and people from the combined attack of everything the empire could throw down.

Posted by: robjira | Dec 8 2024 18:34 utc | 320

If Iran does not announce that it has a nuclear bomb, it will be the end of Iran.

Posted by: VkNEL | Dec 8 2024 18:35 utc | 321

“Throughout the last months Syria’s allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.”
The claim implied here that the national government refused negotiations strikes me as entirely wrong, historically speaking. Within weeks of the outbreak of disorders—which were so far as I know met solely with brute repression—the Assad government has persistently attempted to negotiate with the fighters. So far as I know, these groups rapidly, within weeks or at most a few months, fell under the essential control of outside elements. The experiences of Lebanon and Bosnia and Libya show that in small population countries money and guns can go far in substituting for committed popular support. The Assad government has persistently negotiated incorporation of fighters or their peaceable evacuation into safe zones. The continued existence of enclaves like Idlib is another form of such a compromise.
Further, I believe that this overlooks the simple but hard truth that peace, compromise, requires two parties. The insinuation it was Assad who wouldn’t compromise at this conjuncture I suppose my be true. But in the context of recent events such as Zionist attacks on Lebanon and Iran, the claim needs some demonstration, doesn’t it? I suspect that at this immediate period Russia and Iran were counseling Assad to negotiate the surrender of the national government. It is common to talk of this government or that head of state being a puppet, but that is a metaphor. Such relationships are not mind control where the puppetmaster(s) can simply force the puppet to allow itself to be destroyed.
The incorporation of such elements into the Syrian state may have been a key factor in the rapid collapse. If you put the Azov battalion in the national army, you change the nature of the army (and the state whose core it embodies.) When Assad negotiated settlements with resistance forces that put them in the Syrian polity, did it make Trojan horses, so to speak, part of its walls?
Additionally, the claim that Russia and Iran had turned away from the national secular government suggests to me an abandonment of Syria that may have demoralized the SAA. It’s not like the Syrians didn’t know more about this than us, after all.
Add to that the massive amounts of weaponry, what are essentially foreign mercenaries, ideologically pure units (unlike the SAA, the army of a secular national state) and I suspect huge bribes from the US and Zionists and maybe even Turks (admittedly the poor relations in the trio) the collapse may not be as mystifying as presented in the OP?
Haven’t read any of the comments…

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 8 2024 18:37 utc | 322

Fred @295
***So why are the Taliban such bad fellows if HTS is now democratic moderate rebels?***
Taliban were allowed to remain in power and NATO operations against them have ceased, in return for an agreement not to host any forces that might attack the West or Israel.
The Taliban were never a threat to Israel from so far away, especially at their education/technology level.
Notwithstanding their penchant for repressing Afghan women and throwing Afghan gays off roofs, the Taliban were actually preferred to a moderate, better educated government in Afghanistan, which might in future become a threat to Eretz Israel.
As for the Afghan people, so what? They’re just Muslims, right?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 18:39 utc | 324

Cont’d from #317
Now discussing Israel’s actions.
Sarah draws attention to the map in this 2018 Intercept article.

Posted by: S | Dec 8 2024 18:39 utc | 325

Thanks for posting that; good news. I think Assad is to be commended for all he did in the most trying of circumstances; he never wanted to be president, yet he did what he could to defend the country and people from the combined attack of everything the empire could throw down.
Posted by: robjira | Dec 8 2024 18:34 utc | 320
My pleasure, thank you. I am happy he got out alive too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 18:41 utc | 326

@Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 18:09 utc | 300
Thanks.
Are you a muslim, by any casuality?

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 18:42 utc | 327

Thank Arch @ 109. Still shocked at the speed of the state failure.
There are now going to be the Alawite zone, SNA zone, SDF zone and numerous other warlords based on religious or ethic lines.
Pentagon backed fighting Mossad backed fighting CIA backed fighting Turkish backed gangs.
Iran and Russia have wisely pulled back.
This shit show has only just begun.
Hopefully, this spill over into Jordan and the Gulf states.
Just look at how well Afghanistan and Libya has worked out for the US.

Posted by: Suresh | Dec 8 2024 18:45 utc | 328

If this was a serious defeat for Russia, and it looks like it was, they will want to avoid something like that in the future.
Putin will therefore strive for solutions that are irreversible. Blinken taught him this in time before the end of the Ukraine war.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 8 2024 18:45 utc | 329

Also, Iran is now racing against the clock to have operational nuclear tipped ICBM’s or IRBM’s (hence their test 2 days ago) which the US empire will probably also use as the reason to attack it, soon. The US empire doesn’t allow the presence of sovereign nations outside its hegemony, certainly not in the middle east. War is staring us in the face.

Posted by: xor | Dec 8 2024 18:47 utc | 330

@Micron | Dec 8 2024 12:16 utc | 99
>>Have you forgotten when Israel shot down a cargo plane, killing 20+ Russian servicemen in the process ? Given Z-bots specialize in having the memory of a goldfish, it’s likely you have, indeed. But I remember.
No you don’t. 🙂 It wasn’t a cargo plane, it was an electronic intel plane, IL-20 or IL-18; surely some airplane buff can tell us why we sometimes see the one designation and sometimes the other. And the Izzies didn’t shoot it down, they used it as a human shield in the Beautiful Tradition of 3000 Years of Morality, causing Syrian AD to shoot it down by mistake. Not an expert on these, but why would a cargo plan have a crew of 20 anyway; rather, the fact that both plane and crew were highly specialized made this a painful loss.
Unless you were talking about an entirely different incident, in which case the Bill of Indictment against the Entity becomes even longer.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 18:49 utc | 331

How the hell did this whole thing happen…and so suddenly and rapidly. Seems that considerable planning and plotting over a period of years succeeded in undermining the legitimate, elected government of Syria…to the point where its collapse happened virtually overnight.
The alliance of Evil overcame the Axis of Resistance. Hold that in your minds for awhile. Let’s have a look at right here in yesterday’s thread where a highly interruptive cohort of new posters, emerged from the caverns of Trollheim and essentially took over the thread. The “traditional” trolling contingent happily jumped onto the bandwagon, in means similar to the Takfiri infiltration of Aleppo and even Damascus. The agents were in place well before Zero Hour.
Ni doubt that the entire scheme, on a comprehensive and massive basis, was highly coordinated…even to the level of a few tens of thousands of dollars invested in intel apparatchiks and even Artificial Intelligence apparent “humans” were all running all over the place. My own role in combatting those demonic entities was similar to that of the captain of a modestly armed merchant ship being swarmed by a host of Barbary Pirates, hungry for loot and for killing “infidels”. Other regular posters did the best they could to combat the swarm…but were generally overcome by the intensive swarm of piratical parasites even taking over such a relatively small open forum focused on geopolitical matters.
The preceding paragraph is a rough outline of the highly detailed planning and implementation on the part of the master planners who destroyed Syria…analogical and metaphorically strategy which left no stone unturned. It appears that some of yesterday’s trolls are still infesting the site, even while the mass swarming “contributors” have largely disappeared as rapidly as they attacked.
All this recollected; the premise that the Collective Wa$te and their nrillionaire shot-callers are still desperate, as their attempted swallowing of the people and resources of Ukraine and the breakup of the Russian Union and the Chinese economic powerhouse…are now teetering on the brink of collapse…as their economic Ponzi schemes are shooting them in their collective feet of clay.
Indeed, the long-planned Neocon destruction of Syria, in order to create Eretz Yisrel Yanon dream of Greater I$real from the Nile to the Euphrates…has succeeded in taking yet another white chessman off the table.
Nevertheless, their dark Agenda is facing existential dissolution…as Cosmic time cycles are sweeping us out of Kali Yuga and a new age of human amity and cooperation is soon to finally overcome the confrontational and competitive, warfaring colonizing imperialistic degradation the human condition.
The assault on the ancient cosmopolitan civilization of Syria has succeeded. However that pyrrhic victory may be their final curtain call, their derniere Cri. The Fat Lady enters the stage. The Orchestra warms up.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 18:50 utc | 332

Things seem different now. I’m wondering if Syria will be given over to intentional lawlessness, where one leader or another believes they are in charge, while national resources continue to be plundered. Maybe they will coax in all the takfiris, jihadis, wahabis, salafis, headchoppers, moderate headchoppers, etc., for a tidy cleansing in the caldera of Syria.
What a masterful, diabolical coup they have pulled off. We really thought there was a chance, but pagers and bunker busters and down and dirty tactics won the day. They were outsmarted.
But go read DunGroanin’s entire post. It made me feel better:
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2024 13:16 utc | 153
“It is the restablishment of the Old Sultanate with Erdo as the new one.
Ancient Baghdad will be the next ambition…
The pipelines and transport will now run through Iraq and Syria and Turkey will be the hub!
Balancing East and West.
The illegal Apartheid Entity gets to keep the Golans and take the Bakaa Valley.
Temporarily.
The Lebanese are fucked.
Palestine will always survive.
The Eschatological Zionist Christians and mad Talmudic converts will have to face the disillusion of having lived lives of fairy tale nonsense.
They will be reprogrammed as per Orwellian doctrine.
They will be told there was no Christianity and no ancient Hebrew tradition except the Khazarian.
In a generation they will believe they never believed such nonsense.
In two generations they will have been long dissolved as the final imperialist colonial state left in the world.
Because the Multipolar will not accept an illegal and Apartheid white supremacist state at the crossroads of the world.
The Empire striking back – was only the middle part… 😉”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2024 13:16 utc | 153

Posted by: freedom fritos | Dec 8 2024 18:52 utc | 333

There seems to be a lack of historical perspective in many comments. Assad’s loss is not Putin’s. Russia learned from its campaigns in Afghanistan and Chechen to focus on achievable targets, not swamp clearance. Syria was literally unsupportable because it had lost determination and cohesion. The rent-a-jihadi gang would require motivated troops, something Syria no longer had. But any force coherent enough to take Syria as HTS has, cannot be expected to be led by the nose by Israel or the US indefinitely. The oil fields are just sitting there. Will Al Jolani be happy to forego that revenue? Given US inability to establish stable pro-West governments in any country it attacks, Russia’s non-engagement seems pragmatic, not defeatist. Wait for tribal factionalism and exploit it.

Posted by: Tom Paine | Dec 8 2024 18:52 utc | 334

Are you a muslim, by any casuality?
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 18:42 utc | 327
No, I am not muslim. I am of no religious faith, but respect them all.
My cultural background is Christian, coming from a multi-national multi-religious country: Christian Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim.
My belief in God is in the Jungian sense.

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 18:53 utc | 335

@Ma Laoshi #319:

Whenever Russia or Iran is sent running for the hills, it’s always “LOL we owned them, we didn’t take the bait.” This phrase seems to be used only when there is a dire need to spin something.

This phrase is only used by people who are not serious analysts.

Posted by: S | Dec 8 2024 18:54 utc | 336

Well, if there’s one thing that seems to be holding true over the last few years it’s that there are no experts, not really. Afghanistan imploding in an afternoon after a few decades of the U.S “winning hard!” Russia’s invasion of Ukraine- “two weeks tops and it’s over!” – almost three years later- and now Syria collapsing overnight- no one truly called any of this, not really. Oh, and let’s not forget Hezbollah “we will give them the mother of all attacks, nothing will be left standing!” turning out to be mostly illusion. Yes I know it’s more complicated than that, but still, there was no promised gotterdamerung from them after the blows they took, best they could do to save face was a slight uptick in cross-border attacks. And don’t tell me that they are just “waiting for the right moment!” if that’s the case then the Moscow was never truly sunk and is strategically waiting to emerge from the depths to surprise zelensky when he least expects it.
One thing that really strikes me about Syria in the last week, is that it went pretty much how Russia -THOUGHT- Ukraine would go. Think about it. The spearhead HTS and attackers in the big scheme of things were a force of what- 15? 20 thousand? Even if it were 30-40K, that’s still a tiny force dwarfed by the SAA. Truth is, SAA didn’t fight, they just melted away. A prepared position with all the fire support in the world is no good if there’s no one willing to fight and it’s pretty clear there was no real fighting besides extremely isolated pockets of individual units…. sometimes literally just individuals… deciding to make a stand.
In all of the footage we’re seeing of the crack “militants” it’s mostly folks in clean civilian clothes, no muck, no bedraggled or exhausted looks and most tellingly no real kit of any kind. No webbing with magazines or ruck sacks or, well, anything besides a very clean looking (and likely unfired) rifle.
We’re also seeing lots of videos of non-militants who seem to really be getting in on the looting and, guess you could call it celebrations. Yes, plenty could rightly call it as staged psy-op and propaganda but it doesn’t feel like that to me, it feels very organic. For me, this is somewhat reminiscent of Ceausescu- turns out he had literally zero support after years of ironclad rule. So too, to my surprise, does it turn out that Assad had no real support after 2 decades of rule.
Yes, I’m sure that CIA and all the other alphabet soups had a hand in this, Turkey, well planned op etc but it’s abundantly clear (from what I’m seeing) that about 80% of the job was already done for them and to their credit they just had to give a little nudge.
Russia too, thought they just needed to give Ukraine a nudge but in their case miscalculated badly. And that’s not a criticism of Russia, just reality. That said, it IS telling that if everyone has gotten tired of a leaders BS (for whatever reason) it doesn’t take much for them to go. Interesting times we live in!

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Dec 8 2024 18:58 utc | 337

The assault on the ancient cosmopolitan civilization of Syria has succeeded. However that pyrrhic victory may be their final curtain call, their derniere Cri. The Fat Lady enters the stage. The Orchestra warms up.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 18:50 utc | 332
Hm. Keep dreaming. I’ll start believing you when Russia captures the whole of the Nazi Ukraine in a week.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 18:59 utc | 338

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 18:17 utc | 305
And also:
https://nitter.poast.org/MenchOsint/status/1865818439954166040#m

Bashar al-Assad and his family are in Moscow.
They have been granted asylum for humanitarian reasons.
– Kremlin

Well at least that’s positive news. If he had been murdered in the most heinous way like the Afghanistan prime minister who was castrated, dismembered and hung to a pole (1987) or sodomized like Khadaffi (2011) it would have reverberated amongst Russia’s current allies and would have made them more hesitant as well as other prospecting allies that are dissatisfied with the destructive hegemony of the US empire.
Bashar al-Assad, didn’t make any errors. He was leading a heterogeneous country on a geostrategic junction that was bound for destruction by the evil that sadly prevailed.

Posted by: xor | Dec 8 2024 19:00 utc | 339

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 18:38 utc | 323
>… I was totally wrong
You have company. The shitstain US press are garbage that probably get the same info off of TG without bothering on checking sources such as Dima, Weeb, and the rest of the alt-media. I appreciate the admission. And we’re all capable of getting it wrong and falling for TG fakes.
We can now add Reuters to our list of shit-media that are worthless. One of the more illuminating messages here is how badly the press have spiraled. CNN giving a friendly interview to a dude on the FBI’s most wanted list of terrorists is priceless.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 8 2024 19:02 utc | 340

@ grunzt | Dec 8 2024 17:25 utc, who said, my paraphrase, “Syria fell because it was crushed from without by the Empire”.
Gruntz: all you said I agree with; there was excruciating force exerted on Syria from several directions for the past few decades.
And … these two forces can exist at the same time … there were major internal divisions which the Empire exploited.
Look at Russia and Iran: same excruciating forces, but there’s internal cohesion. Can’t be divided-and-conquered. And that’s what the Empire does so well, isn’t it? Divide and conquer?

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Dec 8 2024 19:05 utc | 341

he had been murdered in the most heinous way like the Afghanistan prime minister who was castrated, dismembered and hung to a pole (1987) or sodomized like Khadaffi (2011)
_______
One can hardly imagine Killary’s frustration right about now.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 8 2024 19:07 utc | 342

Bashar al-Assad, didn’t make any errors. He was leading a heterogeneous country on a geostrategic junction that was bound for destruction by the evil that sadly prevailed.
Posted by: xor | Dec 8 2024 19:00 utc | 339
I think his family moved to Moscow before the “blitzkreig” started up on the 27th, I assume he stuck around to supervise the surrender to the “rebels”. It would appear that all of Russia, Iran, and the Sunni powers were in on it, or aware of what was going on, or whatever you want to call it. But I think it was Assad’s doing, his leaving I mean. And it is a messy situation, but I think he chose well.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 19:08 utc | 343

I wonder if Mr. Assad’s escape flight happened to pass above, y’know, that there Yuzhmash factory, and did he have a camera?…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 8 2024 19:08 utc | 344

And … these two forces can exist at the same time … there were major internal divisions which the Empire exploited.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Dec 8 2024 19:05 utc | 341
As they did in Iraq and Libya , which is still divided, weak and unlikely to be a threat to the Empire ever again,

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 19:13 utc | 345

Jeremy@1829 Dec 8
Thanks. Highly recommended that all American posters and lurkers should bookmark the linked site you provided. More than any other single source I’ve viewed, this one is an ongoing tell on the upcoming economic disaster.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:13 utc | 346

Posted by: robjira | Dec 8 2024 18:34 utc | 320
My pleasure, thank you. I am happy he got out alive too.
Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 18:41 utc | 326
Me too. His father certainly was a badass. Including that his father allowed the CIA to torture, in his dungeons. Bashar stopped this.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Dec 8 2024 19:15 utc | 347

Suresh @ 328

Just look at how well Afghanistan and Libya has worked out for the US.

Worked out as intended or well enough, that nation building crap at the start of the Afghan and Iraqi wars was retrograde PR to sell to a public still conditioned by the Cold War narrative. The post Cold War global hegemonic plan is to break everything down to bite size pieces, China, Russia, probably India, back into colonial era cantons divided among the USA and its vassals to more easily control. China’s century of humiliation rekindled to become a 1000 year Reich of global humiliation. Syria is a real loss in the resistance to this. But, one loss in a long war, I’m sure people were very despondent after Dunkirk.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 19:16 utc | 348

@Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 12:24 utc | 108
>>It is islam that has to get its act together, otherwise they will continue to be played as they have been for 2-3 centuries.
“As long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe they will always be a small people; a silly people.”
–Lawrence of Arabia

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 19:16 utc | 349

now we watch Syria to see what happens, most likely a 3 way war between the US/Isreali/Kurds vs Turkey/Terrorists vs local militas to start to develop over the next few months.

Posted by: Kadath | Dec 8 2024 19:18 utc | 350

There are claims that the Russians are pulling out. Does anyone have any actual evidence of that?
We know that naval units were at sea for an exercise, I can’t find anything that says where they went after that. Presumably they would go into port to pick up all kinds of gear to take home if it was a pullout.
Also runs counter possible deal to stay as per Reuters “Russian officials are in contact with representatives of the armed Syrian opposition, “whose leaders have guaranteed the safety of Russian military bases and diplomatic missions in Syria,” the source added. Moscow hopes to continue political dialogue to preserve the interests of the Syrian people and further develop the relations between Russia and Syria.”

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 19:20 utc | 351

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 17:49 utc | 289, and all the posts in this thread, especially the firs one
Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 17:57 utc | 292
Thank you both for your heartfelt and wonderful posts about Syria,your humanity touched me, I felt like I was caressed by a gentle and sad rain.
In this day of great sadness, I agree with everything you both say. Too sickened, as JB says, to write more. Going to watch Nima and prof. Marandi now ( thank you to the barfly for the link). I saw the few opening moments, the professors face shows the same deeply etched sorrow we all feel.
And, yes, I consider it a betrayal of Syria by the RF certainly, about Iran I still have doubts for the moment as waiting for the True Promisse III…
So, so wrong, and consequences will be horrible, there is no excuse. Betrayal of dying Palestine ( since beginning of the latest horror, and before also)….The only left heroes who do not lie are Yemen and Hezbollah, Iraqy resistance now. About Iran, we shall see…
Betrayal of the new just world they, BRICS, are supposedly to be creating…Betrayal… Ugly as hell.

Posted by: stranger | Dec 8 2024 19:20 utc | 352

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 18:53 utc | 335
> My cultural background is Christian, coming from a multi-national multi-religious country: Christian Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim.
Сирија је вечна док су јој деца верна!

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 8 2024 19:22 utc | 353

Assad with Netanyahu Close to a Peace Deal in October 2010
Written 9 years ago …
Turks and Sauds to Install Sunni Terror in Damascus, Syria – May 2015
Sometime one experiences a naughty time delay … nevertheless, today the Resistance states are more united and broadened in partnerships.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 8 2024 19:23 utc | 354

@Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 8 2024 18:37 utc | 322
This has shown everybody you can not negotiate anything with bought extremist criminal people, nor accomodate them into any society…they belong into a high security penal, period.
I hope Georgia and Russia have taken note…I guess they have time ago in Iran….
In a world in descomposition, with the US financial buble of debt about to explode, and the elites trying to aspire whatever money or riches they can while the masses still do not revolt, with a galloping empoverishment even in Wester Europe, that they surge “volunteers” who will sold themselves at the best postor is unavoidable, all the more when amorality, criminality and psychopathy is promoted from above and run amok around the world….
The matter here is what we are going to od we, average people, with all these bastards they are going to unleash on us all…
Will we wait for our tunr to be beheaded if we do not submit to the plundering of our homes and countries, or are we going to take our lives and future into our hands like they do a bunch of brave people in the Levant?
Every minute which passes we have less to lose to rise up….as the events clearly show….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 19:26 utc | 355

@alek_a | Dec 8 2024 12:26 utc | 110
>>Many of you have become attached to the idea that Russia or BRICS stand behind the “axis of resitance” or organisations like Hamas or Hezbollah. Iran does but it beats me as to why.
Russia legitimizes itself domestically with “Victory”; China with “Development; Iran with “Resistance”; oh and USA with “Transgenders of Color.” I think humanities scholars call these “Hegemonic narratives” but I’m in no hurry to emulate them. It’s not like Iranians alone are the unambiguously good guys here. Even those Syrians who realize they need Iranian assistance may well think “Why don’t you go play Resistance in your own country.”

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 19:28 utc | 356

xor@1847 Dec 8
No private citizen can be certain that Iran is rapidly creating nukes. Yet, such a development is not improbable. One would hope that some of the middle rank analysts in the Pentagon have some understanding of geography and topography that characterizes Iran. Yes, metro Tehran may be wiped out by a strike…but that opens Pandora’s Box, an outcome which most likely would be fatal for the human race.
Yet the non-nuclear toolkit for U$$A military forces is depleted and outdated in most iterations. No Western power is capable of destroying the mountainous and massive nation of Iran. Contrarily, Iran possess a massive array of missiles, including unstoppable hypersonics. They could rapidly erase U$$A bases in the Persian Gulf; he mega-base on the island of Diego Garcia…AND every single oil facility and military base in the Zioni$t Entity. So would the command structure in that piratical paradise actually be self-destructive enough to employ their “Samson Option”?
The Yidistanis are fanatical, but are they stoopid as well? Perhaps assurances of comfy exiles might suffice to buy them off before they go all ballistic…However one never knows when it comes to “chosen” head-cases.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:29 utc | 357

Calm down everybody, do not panic. The usa has just introduced its hands in a bag full of rattlesnakes…

Posted by: Pnyx | Dec 8 2024 19:30 utc | 358

It’s indeed a very sad day. IMO, we cannot hide from the truth, “Beaten By Backstabbing Turk and his Terrorists, Russia fails in Syria,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/beaten-by-backstabbing-turk-and-his
Pepe Escobar at his VK links to a tweet thread by Syria Girl who provides her own take on what and will possibly happen. Russia’s failure was its policy, which is the essence of my short substack item.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 19:32 utc | 359

stranger @ 352

Betrayal of the new just world they, BRICS, are supposedly to be creating…Betrayal… Ugly as hell.

We are in the early stages of WW3 but WW3 it is, in war there are defeats, a defeat is not a betrayal. Troops and cities are sacrificed, I recall Kherson, to the peanut gallery these things are seemingly wanton, this time it was a country, Syria, in the 1930s it was Czechoslovakia. The aim is to win the war, however you get there, that is why war sucks and is to be avoided. Plan on a 20y war with many battles, you will drive yourself to insanity if you don’t figure things out.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 19:34 utc | 360

Clown Shoes@1858 Dec 8
Pretty not too bad overall analysis. You did overlook one factor, though. It was not a matter of Ukraine holding out for nearly three years against the R.U. Without immense financial and military support; the puppet Maidan regime in Kiev would have collapsed at least 18 months ago…if not sooner.
It was that overwhelming financial support, easily skimmed and some back paid to “interested parties” in the U$$A which kept the Ukie bandwagon afloat. Ditto, all the massive input of shiny military toys.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:40 utc | 361

https://www.rt.com/russia/609005-syria-security-guarantee-for-russians/
“Syrian militants promise to protect Russian bases”
So not a complete disaster. Lavrov managed to make a deal. Until Erdogan changes his mind once again?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 19:41 utc | 362

Tichy/touchy@1859
Your postings, such as this one, tells me that you happen to be living in the past. Evidentially, you are a dialectical materialist and maybe even consider yourself as one of those “Vanguards of the Proletariat”. Silly shit, based on nothing more than hypersonic left brain, abstract reasoning. Spiritually inert and still stuck in a Cartesian/neo-Darwinist mindset.
So passe’. Ungrounded, urbanist fantasies of higher levels of centralization and mind-control and stuck in neutral, incapable of visionary insights.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:46 utc | 363

If one feel betrayed, would you request asylum? Of course not

According to the source in the Kremlin, Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow. Being guided by humanitarian considerations, Russia has granted asylum for them.
“Russia has always spoken in favor of a political settlement of the Syrian crisis. We insist that the UN-mediated talks be resumed,” the source said.
“Russian officials are in touch with representatives of armed Syrian opposition, whose leaders have guaranteed security of Russian military bases and diplomatic missions on the Syrian territory,” the source added.

The Syrian prime minister was the contact for the HTS terror group to avoid unlimited bloodshed … whatever that means. 😡
Video footage shows the rebels escorting Prime Minister Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali purportedly to a hotel to transfer authority.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 8 2024 19:48 utc | 364

xor@1900 Dec 8
Incisive insights on the fate of Assad, particularly your final paragraph. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:49 utc | 365

Perspective, perspective, perspective!
It is quite clear that us members of the masses do not have a clue on what just happened in Syria, nor how that theater in our civilization war mosaic will evolve and effect other theaters.
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and its all about the public/private finance theater conflict….Hi Pope Frank; how is that usury hypocrisy you practice?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2024 19:52 utc | 366

Tom Pfotzer@1905 Dec 8
Your ultimate paragraph keying on the internal cohesion of Russia and Iran is keenly analytical. Same goes for your observations as to how Caesar’s ancient “Divide and Conquer” equation is heavily in play by the planners behind the imperial war-machine.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 19:53 utc | 367

The Israelis can now build their pipeline north through Syria to Turkey. Congratulations !

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 8 2024 19:56 utc | 368

karlof1 @ 359

Beaten By Backstabbing Turk and his Terrorists

Merkel stabbed Putin in the back, Macron was there too in the rotunda dagger in hand, Putin looked up, “et tu Recep?” Putin might be tough like the shark in Jaws but after a while all the harpoons have to start hurting. I’m starting to wonder if he was the kid who always fell for the pull my finger trick rather than the tough guy from the St. Petersburg streets, maybe the profilers in the CIA know something I don’t. Anyway, in power politics, living in gangsterland, you are supposed to stab them before they stab you.
I actually blame Russian intelligence, particularly the analysts, even if they don’t have spies in the field it’s their job to assume everything is a trick.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 19:57 utc | 369

The Israelis can now build their pipeline north through Syria to Turkey. Congratulations !
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 8 2024 19:56 utc | 368
Yes, the pipeline carrying gas from the fields offshore of Gaza.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 20:04 utc | 370

Pnyx @ 358

Calm down everybody, do not panic. The usa has just introduced its hands in a bag full of rattlesnakes…

The King Cobra jumped into the rattlesnake pit, huge fangs dripping unmatched venom, the little rattlers scurried into the corners in awe, “We are not worthy, our Lord!”

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 20:11 utc | 371

OliverKrug@1956
Congratulations to the Genociders? Is that your real affiliation…or are you being unclearly ironic? If the former, you should hang your head in shame.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 20:15 utc | 372

Did Assad bring about his own downfall.
“Assad started siding with the the Gulf Arabs & they exercised pressure on him to distance himself from Iran & the Resistance.”
This explains why Tehran stepped away from Syria so easily and quickly. Assad wasn’t seen as reliable.”
https://nitter.poast.org/KitKlarenberg/status/1865845286670925915#m
And then there is this – which could explain Putin’s lacklustre defence of Assad and Syria over the last few days.
“One way of framing what’s happening between Erdogan and Putin is that the latter has surrendered both Karabakh and Syria to the former.
If accurate (not necessarily), then what has Putin got in exchange?
– Uninterrupted gas exports through Turkish Stream
– Crucial backdoor mitigating the damage of Western sanctions (including for military technology) and a key transport hub for passenger travel out of Russia, given all but closed borders with the EU
– De-facto Turkish neutrality in Ukraine conflict – big deal given Turkey is part of NATO and that Baytaktars were an important element on the escalation ladder prior to full-out invasion
– Turkish mediation that nearly ended the Russo-Ukrainian in 2022 on conditions that satisfied the Kremlin
Quite a lot, actually.”
And this.
“In October, Iran announced the creation of a formal Resistance military pact, with centralised command and control, and mutual defence components (ala NATO’s Article 5). Syria was markedly unmentioned in public statements about the alliance.”
https://nitter.poast.org/KitKlarenberg/status/1865846384777175111#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 8 2024 20:16 utc | 373

Big win for the Greater Israel project. However, the residual anger and disgust over the genocidal carnage, widely shared across the International community, should not be underestimated moving forward.
Also, the United States has internal contradictions and economic issues of its own. The bellwether of its continuing influence with the rest of the countries in the Mid-East region – beyond the rational fear of being carpet-bombed to ruin – will be Saudi Arabia’s response to the “normalization” process, which has been high on the “to do” list since the start of the genocide.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 8 2024 20:16 utc | 374

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma reporting ‘Hebrew Media’
“Israel attacked dozens of targets across Syria, including strategic weapons facilities.
In the past hours: Warplanes attacked about 100 targets in Syria.
Israel is also considering deepening attacks in Syria with the aim of preventing factions from controlling strategic weapons.”
Assad seemed to keep Syria neutral to neighbouring conflict, resulting in new propaganda like the following
“Bashar al-Assad, through an Emirati-Israeli agreement, prevented Iran from using Syria to strike Israel, and was cooperating with the Israeli government to neutralize Syria as a front that Iran could use to strike Israel.”
Said otherwise, it portrays lack of backing by Russia and Iran as due to his refusal to allow Iran or Russia to act more decisively.
In reality, with little doubt if Assad had air defense he would have denied “Israeli” targeting of Syria.
Ultimately, he could not hold together a country that was isolated and defenseless under decade long multi spectrum onslaught.
Maybe he wouldn’t play the part asked of him by his allies.
Maybe his allies would not help him if he didn’t play the part they would have liked.
But whatever, it looks bad for Iran and Russia.
A reality of the middle-east:
“Israel” starts killing Muslims, so Muslims start killing each other also.
If you think about it, you can see how that works.
Clever, but a travesty.
Journalist Youssef Fares
“Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine:
– We condemn the enemy forces’ expansion of their occupation deep into Syrian territory and the barbaric raids they are launching on the Syrian capital Damascus and other areas in Syria.
– This criminal aggression is a blatant assault on the Syrian people and their will, and an exploitation of the situation in Syria for expansionist goals, and proves that this entity is the real and only enemy of all the peoples of our nation and region.”

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 8 2024 20:18 utc | 375


The refugee wave of the past will be nothing compared to what’s to come. I expect Christians, Shiite and any other religious minorities to be murdered in the millions.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 9:50 utc | 4″
The Christians are mostly Catholics and Orthodox, plus some from the other ancient liturgical churches. Trump-worshippping Evangelicals think them worse than heathens and will resist them any help. 🙁

Posted by: lester | Dec 8 2024 20:30 utc | 376

It’s my guess that plenty of IDF was fighting in Syria.
Also note there will be millions of Syrian, etc. Christians fleeing the country. Likely headed to Europe.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 8 2024 20:31 utc | 377

Always respected B. Assad and certainly revere his First Lady, a beautiful, intelligent woman who truly cared for the Syrian people.
What does it mean to be Syrian anymore? Those that have the answer must seek an underground sanctuary where they can protect an archive that will be threatened by the Takfiris who think they are God’s flood or something. They are not. They are useful idiots of an empire that will end in ruin. If God exists, this much about spirit we can say: it can not be contained.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 8 2024 20:31 utc | 378

“The US will quite simply never risk all out war with (e.g.) Russia, because the chances that it will go nuclear (and therefore end in the destruction of the US) are simply too high.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 10:11 utc | 9”
“Against stupidity the gods themselves strive in vain”. Stupid US politicians in particuly.

Posted by: lester | Dec 8 2024 20:36 utc | 379

A reality of the middle-east:
“Israel” starts killing Muslims, so Muslims start killing each other also.
If you think about it, you can see how that works.
Clever, but a travesty.
Posted by: Ornot | Dec 8 2024 20:18 utc | 375
If the Arab Muslims hadn’t sided with the British against their fellow Muslim Turks in the Arab Revolt of World War I they probably wouldn’t have to deal with an Israel right now.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 20:42 utc | 380

@Formerly Miss Lacy | Dec 8 2024 13:26 utc | 162
>>As it happens I enjoy aristpdemos’ rants now and then.
Those weren’t geopolitics rants; hell, were we to delete those, the remainder of this site would fit on a single floppy disk. 🙂 These were ~three-line insults, explaining all comers why they failed to qualify for the Aristodemos Seal of Approval (which, of course, none of them had asked for). Dozens of them; it was off the scale, and threw an entire thread off-course. Look I have no desire to step into any arena: yes I did report him, and I’m pretty sure I didn’t do so gratuitously. Whatever b does with it, if anything, is good enough for me. If the great A noticed he got flagged, decides to cool it without further intervention, and goes back to ranting like the rest of us, then that’s fine as well: problem solved, I hold no grudge.
All the best to you.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 20:47 utc | 381

Ha hah!
Couldn’t help noticing that Piggy Netanyahu has admitted that the lying, thieving, Genocide Jews helped to overthrow Syria.gov.
And now Pigrael is going to STEAL a ‘buffer zone’ inside Syria! This raises the question “How many Syrians will the Genocide Jews need to exterminate in order to “purify” their Brand New, exclusively Jewish, Buffer Zone?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 8 2024 20:50 utc | 382

> “Syrian militants promise to protect Russian bases”
> Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 19:41 utc | 362
what else should they say now, where they whole Syria iss unstable and they are busy solidifying their grabs and demarkating with other factions?
it is like EuroMaidan regine in 2014 explicitly prohibited UkroArmy to challenge RuArmy in Crimea. They were busy suppressing opposition in their prime.
it is like anti-Erdogan coup some years ago promised friendship to Moscow just it won’t interfere
Time will tell, perhaps HTS themselves do not really know yet how solid their regime would be and if they would be able to afford animosity with Russia (or to afford neutrality). Maybe this would happen indeed or maybe not.
But surely today HTS claims their neutrality – it is not in their interests for some weeks to come to pick unneeded fights right this minute.

Posted by: Arioch | Dec 8 2024 20:51 utc | 383

Russia’s official reaction: https://t.me/MFARussia/23184
Following his talks with a number of participants in the armed conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic, Bashar al-Assad decided to step down as the Syrian President and leave the country, instructing the government to transfer power peacefully.
Russia was not involved in those negotiations.

Posted by: Arioch | Dec 8 2024 20:53 utc | 384

Also note there will be millions of Syrian, etc. Christians fleeing the country. Likely headed to Europe.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 8 2024 20:31 utc | 377
But that’s not a bad thing, because those who were motivated by Ms. Merkel to flee from Assad to Germany can now return to their beautiful country.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 8 2024 20:55 utc | 385

internet media are “catching hype” spreading the alleged “first photo of Asad with family in Moscow”
which is a fake and is merely cut stillshot from the 2013 video where the Asads visit Aleppo hosputal after an earthquake

Posted by: Arioch | Dec 8 2024 20:58 utc | 386

Ernesto “Che” Guevara happened to be in Guatemala when its government was overthrown by the US CIA in 1954, with the help of gangs they rounded up, trained and armed. Guevara was already a Communist but he arrived at certain conclusions about Yanqui imperialismo after that. Many of the regime change tricks were already in place. What is past is prologue, I believe someone once wrote. In 1954 and 2024.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 8 2024 21:04 utc | 387

The Tehran Times is providing some more information: They report Israeli tanks have crossed the syrian border today for the first time in 50 years. Israel is already enforcing an occupation of a “buffer zone” of Syria’s territory including the part of Golan Heights that was still controlled by Syria. They also flew several airstrikes today on Damaskus, according to Tehran times. HTS/AlNusra is negotiating with Israel already. They offer a peace treaty to Israel if Israel, US and Turkey let them control Syria and Lebanon. So the south of Syria and Lebanon will probably be occupied by Israel. The north of Syria will be occupied by Turkey. And the rest of Syria and Lebanon might become a state like Saudi Arabia (salafist friends of the US and NATO).
“Meanwhile, former Israeli military intelligence officer Lieutenant Colonel, Mordechai Kedar, was interviewed on Sunday by Hebrew media, Kan Reshet Bet, where he claimed:
“I am in contact with the rebels in Syria and I have passed a detailed list of equipment they requested from Israel to senior officials in the country. The rebels are willing to sign a peace agreement with Israel, only if they control Syria and Lebanon.”

https://tehrantimes.com/news/507250/Israeli-tanks-enter-Syria-for-first-time-in-50-years

Posted by: Helmchen | Dec 8 2024 21:07 utc | 388

388 – Obviously the events were designed to favour Zionism. That supposed Muslim jihadis let themselves be used for that suggests their real motivation is money.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 8 2024 21:10 utc | 389

380 – Turks sometimes tell themselves that – “we were betrayed by the Arabs in WW1” etc. However, the argument is often used as a smokescreen for Turkey’s often extensive cooperation with Zionism.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 8 2024 21:13 utc | 390

Follow the money …
Was some of the support for Ukraine (hundreds of billions of US$) diverted to HTS?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 8 2024 21:16 utc | 391

Helmchen @ 388
Buffer zone, I have no idea but I bet at the time the Sinai and Golan started out as “buffer zones” as did every bit of stolen territory from the 1947 UN decree onward. Even easier now, you can annex all the territory you want if there’s no intact, functioning state entity to legally contest it before the world. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and all that crap. That’s why Lebanon and Syria will be factionalized and kept in permanent warfare, so as to build Greater Israel, the Empire’s promise in the hegemonic world reset.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 21:18 utc | 392

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 20:47 utc | 381
Nice.
Aristidemos comes across as being as thick as two planks and has several screws loose. He’s had many months to figure out that the interval between Comment # Numbers is 1, whereas the interval between consecutive time-stamps can be anywhere between 1 and 60++. But that doesn’t discourage him from omitting the Comment # Number when refering to a previous comment!?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 8 2024 21:20 utc | 393

Jackrabbit @ 391

Follow the money … Was some of the support for Ukraine (hundreds of billions of US$) diverted to HTS?

Maybe Turkiye paid for it? 🤣 Wonder how much Erdogan and crew skimmed off the top, how do you say 10% for the big guy in Turkish?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 21:22 utc | 394

With everything Erdogan does, you always have to look at the past. The Ottoman Empire / Turkey still has some unfinished business with history. All the Turks I know are of the opinion that Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia and some other countries are ancestral Turkish lands and must be taken back.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 8 2024 21:23 utc | 395

Helmchen | Dec 8 2024 21:07 utc | 388
*** Israel is already enforcing an occupation of a “buffer zone” of Syria’s territory including the part of Golan Heights that was still controlled by Syria.***
So now they’ve grabbed posession of all of the Golan heights.
Zionist theif Trump will be happy since he ‘gave’ them it a few years ago.
*** They also flew several airstrikes today on Damaskus, according to Tehran times. HTS/AlNusra is negotiating with Israel already. ***
Are they requesting a pay rise or bonus?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 21:24 utc | 396

394 – Reis için yüzde 10

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 8 2024 21:29 utc | 397

@JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 15:02 utc | 202
>>I still believe that Russia/Iran won’t have any sort of diplomatic relationship with the new regime at least in the short term.
You can make (some) people kill for money no problem. But normally speaking you can’t get people to be willing to die for only money (not sure how captagon affects this equation). For HTS&friends, the extra ingredient seems to be anti-Shia hatred. For a movement that got its first 15min of fame chanting “Christians to Lebanon, Alawites to the grave,” I just can’t see how they could be reconcilable with the wrong kind of muslims. Then again, it’s the Middle East, so maybe I’m being naive.
As for Russia: maybe. If they consent to be infinitely slippery–in which case they’ll be one of many local actors vying for scraps, not one of the principals divvying up the scraps. In other words, Washington would have successfully cut Moscow down to size and shown them their proper place–at least in CENTCOM’s playground. Hell if I were Team Trump, I’d play it like this and tell the Kremlin: you can keep your commercial interests in Syria, but only if you give up your military bases. Then tell me again which side thinks strategically.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 21:30 utc | 398

The reimaging of Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani has started.
The following is from the BBC’s online news site.
‘HTS, the Islamist group, set up 13 years ago as a direct affiliate of al-Qaeda, drove the rebels’ rise to power in Syria in recent weeks.
It previously publicly broke ranks with al-Qaeda, although it remains proscribed as a terrorist group by the UK, as well as the UN, the US, Turkey and other countries.
Questions remain over whether it has completely renounced those links, but its message in the run-up to Assad’s deposition has been one of inclusiveness and a rejection of violence.
Former head of MI6 Sir John Sawers told Sky News: “I think Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani, the leader, has made great efforts over the last 10 years to distance himself from those terrorist groups and certainly the actions we’ve seen of [HTS] over the last two weeks has been those of a liberation movement, not of a terrorist organisation.”
He added: “It would be rather ridiculous, actually, if we’re unable to engage with the new leadership in Syria because of a proscription dating back 12 years.” ‘
Expect Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani to be removed from the US State Department’s ‘Specially Designated Global Terrorist’ list in the near future.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 21:35 utc | 399

franconia | Dec 8 2024 21:23 utc | 395
*** All the Turks I know are of the opinion that Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia and some other countries are ancestral Turkish lands and must be taken back.***
Way back when the Turks lived far away on the border of China, what is now called Turkey was part of the Celtic Confederation.
Time that country was restored to its rightful owners?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 21:36 utc | 400