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December 8, 2024
Syria Falls

I have yet to fully understand how this could happened at the speed it did happen:

Syrian government falls in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad familyAP, Dec 8 2024

BEIRUT (AP) — The Syrian government fell early Sunday in a stunning end to the 50-year rule of the Assad family after a sudden rebel offensive sprinted across government-held territory and entered the capital in 10 days.

Syrian state television aired a video statement by a group of men saying that President Bashar Assad has been overthrown and all detainees in jails have been set free.

Syrian Prime Minister Mohammed Ghazi Jalali said the government was ready to “extend its hand” to the opposition and turn its functions over to a transitional government.

“I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country,” Jalili said in a video statement. He said he would go to his office to continue work in the morning and called on Syrian citizens not to deface public property.

He did not address reports that Assad had fled.

During and after its fight against takfiri terrorists Syria had come under heavy sanctions. Its main assets in the east were under U.S. control. Israel's airforce was bombing its military infrastructure at will. It was ripe to fall.

As soon as the bogus ceasefire in Lebanon was signed Turkey unleashed its takfiri 'Syrian rebels', many of them foreigners, against Syria. These were exceptionally well armed and trained. They have (vid) night vision equipment, drones, artillery, Starlink communication and a capable, professional command.

The Syrian Arab army proved to be unreliable. Some units just vanished. Others were ordered to retreat in haste even before coming under pressure. One wonders how much of its command level has been infiltrated or bribed.

Throughout the last months Syria's allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.

Syria is now likely to fall apart. There will be many bloody acts retributions. A large number of people will seek refuge.

The 'axis of resistance' has lost its main connecting rod. Logistics between Iran and Lebanon will become very difficult.

Resistance however will continue.

A few tweets that caught my eyes:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – 23:17 UTC · Sep 5, 2013

The terrorists in Syria are calling themselves REBELS and getting away with it because our leaders are so completely stupid!

Mark Sleboda @MarkSleboda1 – 4:27 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

RIP Syria. My God so fast. Western/Turkish intel co-opted/bought/blackmailed essentially the entire Syrian military & admin into just standing down, and the economy was so hallowed out by sanctions and occupation of Syria's oil and wheat that the state was incapable of resisting.

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil – 17:42 UTC · Dec 7, 2024

Ibrahim Amin of Al-Akhbar wrote a few days ago that Russia had warned Bashshar Al-Asad that the axis is collapsing and urged him to reconcile with Moscow-approved Syrian opposition. He refused. Erdogan tried to reconcile with him and he refused. Not sure what he was counting on.

Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 – 2:51 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

There is no Syrian revolution. There is the CIA-run counterrevolution. They sound the same, but are complete opposites.

Syria has lost its sovereignty to competing gangs of Turkish and Israeli-backed jihadist mercenaries who are united in their hate for religious minorities. A dark day for humanity.

Alon Mizrahi @alon_mizrahi – 5:06 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

Bear with me: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin to not swallow the bait, right? And make Syria the West's headache, instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil – 16:17 UTC · Dec 7, 2024

I never have a good word to say about the Syrian regime (and never written or said a word of praise for the regime, since Hafidh Al-Asad days) but: how can we talk about Syria and not talk about Israeli-US plans for the region to destroy state and society in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Libya? No matter how ugly a regime is, US and Israel manage to replace it with something much worse. Look at Libya and Iraq. In Afghanistan, the US established a regime so repugnant that people preferred the Taliban.

Michael Tracey @mtracey – 5:59 UTC · Dec 8, 2024

Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) which has now seized power in Syria, was declared by the US State Department as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist group on May 17, 2018. What's the "over-under" on how much longer that designation remains in place?

Comments

Andrew Sarchus | Dec 8 2024 14:00 utc | 183
I agree. Freedom is based on economics. Political systems are a different topic. I didn’t mention democracy and have no intention to defend western democracy. I do question this idea such economic freedom is for only a wealthy minority. We are heading in that direction, however the West I’ve lived in for 6 decades has been made up of a large majority who have enjoyed such wealth and freedom. Lots of luck finding a Canadian who hasn’t been on a cruise or a Briton who hasn’t holidayed in the Mediterrean or an American who hasn’t been to Disneyland(world).
Even with growing inflation westerners are still travelling and have material products that didn’t even exist last century. The younger generations have been tossed into a Share Cropper Economy yet they are still incredibly spoiled and have a certain amount of freedom. The system continues to work(and benefit the majority)…for a while longer.
I also agree that China/Russia/BRICs are the good guys. I’d like to see a future that’s fair to everyone, not just westerners. Unfortunately Russia was suppose to be in the vanguard, providing the military protection for BRICs. Right now, Russian credibility is zero. The BRICs can be picked off one at a time so long as the US dollar is king. Russia/China are afraid to bring down the dollar.
Hypersonic missiles are not the game changer(mainly because Russia/Iran are afraid to use them in any meaningful way). Syria falling without a fight is the game changer.
We all hate them but the simple fact is the emotional recklessness of the Israeli/Americans has prevailed over the cautious rationalism of Russia/Iran. The emotional lunatics were determined to win at all cost. Now let’s see how quickly they become victims of their own success.

Posted by: EoinW | Dec 8 2024 15:00 utc | 201

@198,
There are no proper evidences to suggest that Russia used Tartus as a trading port primarily. It is a loss indeed nonetheless but not as catastrophic as people make it to be. I think that Tom Pfotzer makes some valid points above. Betting further on Assad might have damaged their relationship further with the new “sheriff” in town at Damascus. I still believe that Russia/Iran won’t have any sort of diplomatic relationship with the new regime at least in the short term. Objectively speaking, Ru will need to remove it’s assets in Syria soon (if they not started the process already) but I’m curious to know US will remove their support for Kurds and oil fields in Syria. Then we know who are the real masters of the new regime.

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 15:02 utc | 202

Will Biden be boasting that the hated Assad was removed from power on his watch, not those of Obama or Thump 1.0?

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:06 utc | 203

Israel can barely govern itself. US can barely govern itself. US cannot govern it’s own intelligence agencies at all. All principals of HTS are morons and junior employees.
There will be chaos. Death will stalk the land. Depopulation will help make Eretz Israel slightly more manageable.
If there was a trade of Assad for Ukraine the negotiators are morons. US never respects any deal. Russia and Iran need to lay down markers very forcefully or cease to exist.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 8 2024 15:12 utc | 204

If I were to see it from China’s perspective, I would want the regime in Syria that can stabilize and unify the country. that turns out to not be Assad, well, so be it. And it won’t be Julani either, he’s just one player among many in a long game.
China will work with whoever turns out to be the legitimate govt in Syria, that’s their official position and that’s not just a non interventionist stance but also a practical one. Assad did not have the consolidated power to recover his losses so as to ensure a BRI node in Syria, however much anyone hoped he would succeed in making Syria sovereign again.
From China’s perspective, what it values most of all is time to build itself up in all aspects to be unassailable for the US, and time for the US to expend itself and decline. That is the long game. Assad, is in the big picture not the critical issue for China or Russia.
The outcome in Syria will strain Iran and that is undesirable for China to be sure but things play out as they must. The US has shown it has the power to break Syria but does it have the power to unbreak itself and make a course correction? It’s relatively easy to break things, hard to build up others, and harder still to fix oneself. The US deep state claims a victory today but it doesn’t change the fate of the US. Or Israel.
I think the posters asking for some china intervention in Syria are still beholden to a colonial mindset, so easy to do because “we” are so easily cast as the good guys. Just like US and Israel are necessarily the most moral army. In Syria, many shades of gray. Sad that pluralist Syria may be no more but pluralism is by itself not intrinsically good in a way that overrides all else. Is Islam really better after being split into Shia and Sunni? Pluralism may have to be sacrificed if there is to be stability and effectual resistance. That question of pluralism versus unity is ultimately what those in the region must decide. I had my wishes hopes and prejudices about the outcome but now it is time to step back from that and recognize the play of forces beyond my comprehension and command, beyond even the power of the Hegemon to steer or stymy. Call it fatalist but I think this is the more realist view.

Posted by: Mastameta | Dec 8 2024 15:14 utc | 205

There have been strong winds, raining and hailing without stop here for three days in a round making almost impossible to go out..
Obviously, the planet cries for Syria…the craddle of human civilization falling into barbarian hands…
To the Syrian people and Assad family…all the best…and all who have fallen in this terrible fight….this is not the end…but the principle….
Great Fairouz….
https://youtu.be/_DT3HJwltUo?feature=shared

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 15:14 utc | 206

Tom Pfotzer | Dec 8 2024 14:48 utc | 196
“Assad’s fall happened because the rest of the country was fed up with him”
Back in the days Assad was very popular (I think around 2009 there was a poll among many Arab states, Assad won with 70% popularity), and also during Syrian war 2016 ff. he was loved by his people.
So basically I don’t doubt what you’re saying, guess, things have changed; but can you back this up?

Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 8 2024 15:15 utc | 207

JamesBond @202:

‘m curious to know US will remove their support for Kurds and oil fields in Syria.

Why would they? Though the kurds are doubtless in for a hard time, nobody really cares about them anyway. Just another batch of useful idiots to be discarded once they become useless.

Then we know who are the real masters of the new regime.

No need to guess. The chanting in unison from the Mockingbird mass media transforming the narrative of vicious headchoppers into liberal moderates is all the proof needed that the ISIS pigs with lipstick serve the Empire.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 8 2024 15:20 utc | 208

The Sunni world is surging while it looks like the Shia world is retracting. With Syria out of the picture the Israelis can now move against Hezbollah openly. I suspect round two will lead to Israel occupying Lebanon to the Litani River. Whatever they do from there is an open question but it’s not likely to be good.
Make no mistake that this is a major victory for the US, Israel, and Turkey and a major defeat for Russia and Iran. The greatest loss will ultimately be by the Syrian people but a good chunk of them welcomed this anyway.

Posted by: Derrick | Dec 8 2024 15:22 utc | 209

Iranian official media have issued explanations as to why Iran has not gone all-out in support of Assad.
Iran’s Fars news agency has published an article that explains why Iran has not sent troops into Syria.
With the emergence of ISIS in Syria and deteriorating security conditions, the government of that country has officially turned to Iran for help.
Over time, the terrorists underwent a “genetic mutation”, stopped committing violence and adopted a diplomatic stance. The Syrian people no longer support the Syrian army in the fight against terrorists as they once did.
The Syrian army also lacked motivation to fight the terrorists for various reasons, including religious and economic weakness.
But the main change has occurred in Bashar al-Assad himself. During the last meeting with him on June 10, 2024, Rahbar Ali Khamenei gave the Syrian president an important and well-founded warning.
Moreover, before the start of the war in Lebanon, Iran repeatedly warned Assad about the strengthening of terrorists and even made him the necessary proposals, but they were not heard.
This process continued until the final hours of Assad’s fall. The presence of Iranian officials at the highest level to negotiate with him demonstrated Iran’s serious determination to strengthen Damascus. But Assad made a strategic – and fatal – mistake by relying on promises from other Arab countries and the West.
Having learned about this, Iran decided not to interfere, but tried to convince Assad until the very end. However, he realized too late the emptiness of his enemies’ promises.
ISIS is a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation.
@Slavyangrad

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:26 utc | 210

I suspect that all here probably suspect that these are the first moves by Israel to carve out a significant chunk of SW Syria for itself. Clearly only as protection against terror attacks.
So far, from what we know, Israel entered 4 towns in the Syrian Golan Heights
Three of those towns are located within the 1974 UN-Supervised Zone, which Israel captured in the 1973 war and returned to Syria:
– Al-Qunaitra
– Al-Hamidiyah
– Madinat al-Baath
However, Israel also advanced into one town beyond the 1974 Disengagement Line, which Israel never previously controlled:
– Kham Arnabah
Internationally, the entire Golan Heights are recognized as Syrian territory and as being occupied by Israel, but Israeli violations of the 1974 Disengagement Line are rare.
@Middle_East_Spectator

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:30 utc | 211

Re: Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Dec 8 2024 10:02 utc | 7

Too late now. More decisive action should have been taken by Iran to protect Hezbollah and the Lebanon. Divide and conquer strategy has worked for Turks and Israelis. For now. China as ever is completely missing. Perhaps an argument could be made that China is is to some degree a Paper tiger?

China plays the long game and isn’t worried up what happens week to week or year to year.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 15:34 utc | 212

Given the limited number of attacking ‘terrorists’ it seems likely that much of the looting is being done by locals. Given their easy reception perhaps it is only a matter of time before they morph into ‘Freedom Fighters’ instead.
Vanessa Beeley
@VanessaBeeley
Made it out of Syria for the time being. Chaos rules, looting, thuggery and thieving. Gets the US Israel stamp of approval because this is what they believe in. Going through the border was a mash of gunfire, infighting and looting from every single shop and market. Terrorists on motorcycles, gunslingers and criminals. An incredibly sad experience. The house was surrounded by “rebels” drunk in “victory” from 5am, constant celebratory gunfire and around 10 they tried to beat the external door down to loot the contents of the house. Early morning Israel was destroying #Syria Air Defence with bunker buster bombs. The whole house shook. The CIA road map is always the same. The Resistance is broken and I doubt it can be repaired but the extremist mercenaries in the pay of Israel will tell you they “support Palestine”. Go on then, you are on the border now.
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Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:36 utc | 213

A few points to consider:
1.) Bashar never wanted the job.
2.) Recent events are easy to understand, once you realize Assad negotiated his own exit from power. He does seem to have managed that in the least destructive way.
3.) Russia and Iran are both quite well able to deal with their enemies without assistance now.
4.) This event does not appear to me to be a good thing for Israel’s security, whatever they may think about it at the moment.
5.) Assad’s exit will be destabilizing for the Sunni powers too.
6.) Nothing is more dangerous than great success.
7.) Bibi and friends can now claim a victory, and so may now be willing to end the war.
This of course is all speculation, except #6.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 15:38 utc | 214

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 8 2024 15:12 utc | 204
Never rely on systemic stasis as a predictor for the future. The era, or is that error, of Obama is over and the institutional stay-behinds, who effectively sabotaged the four-year deviation from the globalist agenda, are looking to Biden for blanket pardons. I think some posters will be as surprised at the speed of the US renaissance as they were at the fall of Syria.
No doubt the Left will be using its energies in traditional canard-creation and myth making, instead of effective introspection, to explain this rapid collapse. The usual villains will be paraded for the obligatory two minute hate session or Tweet-storm, and the many questions that few dare voice, but most think, will remain unanswered.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 8 2024 15:38 utc | 215

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:30 utc | 211
Why would Israel need to protect themselves if the “rebels” are moderates with liberal democratic values? At least that is what the media and the liberal blogs keep on telling me.

Posted by: QuietRebel | Dec 8 2024 15:40 utc | 216

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:30 utc | 211
Why would Israel need to protect themselves if the “rebels” are moderates with liberal democratic values? At least that is what the media and the liberal blogs keep on telling me.

Posted by: QuietRebel | Dec 8 2024 15:40 utc | 217

Re: Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 10:11 utc | 9

The US is, therefore, as Mao said, a paper tiger. People are terrified of it ‘cos they think that the US will use nukes, if push comes to shove, but it never will.

You are very ignorant.
The UNITED STATES is THE ONLY COUNTRY IN HISTORY TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN WAR .
Geez – do a bit of reading and learn about history before posting nonsense.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 15:40 utc | 218

@Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 8 2024 15:15 utc | 207
Obviously Syria was poorer as deprived of its main source of income, hicrocarbons and grain, plus tourism..
Then add the strangling sanctions…
Uninformed ignorant people always trun agsint politricians when poverty and hard times, which are not of the responsability of the ruler but of wannabe invaders, arrive…
This same uninformed and ignorant people think that they will get well off serving the invading forces, unknowing what happens to each and every US ally in Europe and the world, that they are systematically squized and strangled the same when the time comes for the hegemon to survive and remain at the top and with his usual way of life without which it would be overthrown at home….they do not spare anybody…
Thye will notice assap all, Al Julanis and traitors at home….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 15:40 utc | 219

I am deeply touched by the posters who have written a heartfelt elegy for Syria. Palestine, Lebanon, Syria…the blood, the treachery, the ruins of the human spirit, soul.
This is not about who is cleverer or more ruthless in geopolitical games, it is about our humanity in a dark world with no compass.
Without blaming, I wonder – do Iran and Russia know what they have done?
If they have any dignity, they should spare us their pathetic press releases. They are out of the game precisely because they treated it as a game.
Rarely have I been so sickened in my life.

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 15:41 utc | 220

With Russia on the ‘sidelines’ and possibly somewhat aligned with Erdogan, Turkey is now the US’ problem in Syria. Also Israel may have problems with HTS.
Putin was waiting for Arab populations such as Jordan and Egypt to help with Gaza which didn’t happen. Also Assad needed to work with Erdogan. I think there is still a lot of power in the resistance and that HTS is not going to have an easy time in Syria.

Posted by: financial matters | Dec 8 2024 15:45 utc | 221

Milites @ 215
I take your point, but……
The ‘Obama era’ was same old same old. Trump will do little but re-distribute the spoils. Both are chaos agents. Chaos is reaching a first fruition point. Why our lords and masters want this level of chaos is quite beyond my paygrade.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 8 2024 15:49 utc | 222

Let’s hope they all migrate into EUROtrash … the euro trash that colonized and exploited regions of the world must pay now- it is time

Posted by: Innuendo | Dec 8 2024 15:50 utc | 223

Re: Posted by: Jan | Dec 8 2024 10:41 utc | 26

I think, this Pepes note explains alot of what is going on right now in Middle East and UA:Old-school former Deep State high-level source. Never failed me:
“There was a deal. Washington gets to do what it wants in the Middle East, Russia gets Ukraine. The new Washington has shown exceptional skill.”
Thas also explains why is Macron so engry with Trump: he lost Africa, he lost Ukraine project, he now lost Middle East

This is the DUMBEST thing I’ve read here in awhile.
So Pepe is claiming the Russians have made a deal with The West to get Ukraine and in return have given up on Syria And the Middle East?
That is BEYOND DUMB .
Is this a deal like the deal Gorbachev made in 1990 with The West to allow the reunification of Germany?
Ie – Is this some kind of verbal agreement ?
BEYOND DUMB to even make such a claim.
Such a BS DEAL is NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT ISN’T WRITTEN ON!!.
Also – WHY WOULD RUSSIA EVER MAKE ANY SUCH BS DEALS WITH THE AGREEMENT INCAPABLE WEST?!?
They deserve to lose if that is how they are thinking – spouting rubbish about the AGREEMENT INCAPABLE WEST and then looking to cut a worthless deal?!?
Pathetic if true and pathetic speculation.
Russia doesn’t even occupy 20% of Ukraine – The West are not going to just hand over the other 80%!!!
Never going to happen!

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 15:52 utc | 224

On the other hand, Russia and Iran are shown their weakness. It doesnt matter if you own nuclear weapons when you are afraid to use it.
Posted by:Salmon
What a stoopid thing to say. “Let’s stop this US/Israeli bCked rdd herrinv by wiping out whole population centers.”

Posted by: CyYoung | Dec 8 2024 15:53 utc | 225

Apologies for spelling. Guess we can all be stoopid.

Posted by: CyYoung | Dec 8 2024 15:55 utc | 226

Why would Israel need to protect themselves if the “rebels” are moderates with liberal democratic values? At least that is what the media and the liberal blogs keep on telling me.
Posted by: QuietRebel | Dec 8 2024 15:40 utc | 217
Clearly they don’t but they need a reason to do it as just ‘we wanted that land so we seized it’ doesn’t sound so good.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 15:57 utc | 227

Rot vs starvation
Empires fall from rot. Their victims succumb from a variety of causes: starvation, seeing kids get blown up, along with some of their own betraying them. Different from imperial rot.
Israel, us, Europe, uk turkey, takfiris are in advanced stage of root rot. Look in their eyes. At some point they will fall. Everyone who survives will be scarred but the imperial rot is terminal.

Posted by: Migueljose | Dec 8 2024 15:58 utc | 228

Fuck off back where you came from, you smelly, louse-filled bastards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326-vPc3hg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwWIGH3EyhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHfWhpDN3Tc

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 8 2024 16:02 utc | 229

It was not for nothing that the IRGC dragged Khamenei into a direct confrontation with Israel. And when on October 1 they obtained permission for a massive direct attack🇮🇱, probably, were generally jubilant. They knew that this would untie Netanyahu’s hands, and Israel in response would happily show that “the emperor has no clothes.”
But they could have continued to frighten the entire Middle East with their underground missile cities for years. No the Iranians did the opposite the walked into a carefully laid trap.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 16:02 utc | 230

Alastair Crooke’s latest, linked above in Week in Review, linked to Mackinder’s Heartland Map, which was new to me. (Well, a lot of this stuff is new to me :-).
Interestingly, the ‘European’ nations, along with the chain of East Asian islands (Japan, the Philippines, etc.)and the West Asian peninsula (Saudi Arabia, et al,) along with the South Asian pendulum of India, all hang off the great central land mass of Asia proper (Russia and China.). And, the ‘Heartland’ is land-linked to the great land (and resource-rich)mass of Africa (diminished here in size due to the map projection,) where Russian and Chinese influence is supposedly growing. And European influence diminishing, witness the ousting of French troops (but not US troops?) by Niger, Mali and Burkina Faso, in the last few years.
These ‘border’ nations, may be fated, due to their geography, to be in constant upheaval. The US Empire has ringed the Heartland with military bases: Europe, Scandinavia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippine islands, West Asia (aka The Middle East.) The South Asian ‘subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Nepal) is in play, but leaning towards the Heartland through its membership in BRICS. But pulled towards the US/UK through its past history and recent diaspora.
Interesting times, unfortunately.

Posted by: Eclair | Dec 8 2024 16:04 utc | 231

It’s hard to see this as anything other than a strategic defeat and total humiliation for Russia. The side backed by Russia has been soundly defeated due to Mr Putin’s dithering and geopolitical ineptitude. The Russians will almost definitely have to withdraw their forces from the bases inSyria

Posted by: Joe Doe | Dec 8 2024 16:04 utc | 232

@Posted by: EoinW | Dec 8 2024 15:00 utc | 201
I can not but suscribe what you say here, in full….
Related to travelling and tourism for the masses, that is about to end, as what showed it is the planned since “the pandemic”, the objective of ruinig each and every country, either it willingly is an ally of the US/UK/Israel or not, is the take over of any riches of value added industry there remains…
Druing “the pandemic” US great hotelling corporations arrived in the South of Spain to get the closed and empty htoles for pennies, and the same is happening in the rest of Spain where the city centers of most beautiful cities are being emptied of local people through gentrification, so that to turn them into thmeatic parks for the rich anglosaxon and center Europeans…
The same will happen with fertile lands, energy sources, water sources and any prosperous industry which remains after the ruining of the country…hence the allegedly “climatic disasters” provoked preciselly by strange counterproductive “climate change” policies dictated from the US/UK decision making centers like Davos where the transnational capital and corporations meet to conspire against us and our countries..

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 16:06 utc | 233

the axis of least resistance

Posted by: abel | Dec 8 2024 16:11 utc | 234

Julian @ 224
A nice take down, totally correct.
Pepe’s fun to read for the triumphalism and a lovable character, his MMT monetary analysis and geo-strategic analysis is correct but comic book, though I do learn from him. He’s kind of the Multipolar World’s gossip columnist.
He repeatedly tends to get out ahead of himself, and that’s putting it kindly, you are free to use your own term.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 16:13 utc | 235

So the Khazar empire wins again.
Thanks to its semi-closet agents Erdogan and Putin, plus assorted Gulf gelt-grubbing camel molesters.
Their ubiquitous Oligarch masters will be delighted.
Teraspol | Dec 8 2024 12:17 utc | 100
*** Nothing new just the speed of the implosion happening. In the 80ies there was already the Yinoh plan (an Israeli military strategist) for the balkanization of West Asia to the benefit of Greater Israel. Pentagon thinktanks took it over in the early 2000. An arch of instability from Libanon to Iran, mostly chia, minorities (yezidi, mandeans, assyrian christians) with Israël as a super fortress. Blaming Russia, Iran.. is not to the point. It is islam that has to get its act together, otherwise they will continue to be played as they have been for 2-3 centuries. Turkey now wins provisionally, KSA, Egypt and Jordan now stay out of the fray but are the next candidates for balkanization…***
They are already ruled by fake fronts of the satanic “Jewish” empire.
Much of “Islam” is nowadays, like alleged “Christianity”, just a convenient mask to fool the public and ensure its ultimate compliance.
How much archaeological data will now be destroyed or falsified, to leave unchallenged the “historical” lies and drivel of the Overlords?
Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 12:14 utc | 98
*** Putin correctly saw Western intrigues in Ukraine as an existential threat to the Russian heartland, and Syria as disposable in return for western abandonment of Ukraine NATO membership and armament and removal of sanctions.
By threatening the Russian heartland the Zionists removed a threat to THEIR heartland of Eretz Israel.***
If so, how absurdly naive to imagine any threat against Russia has somehow been reduced.
These muderous megalomanics *never* gived up, as Ghadaffi found.
And where Russia is concerned the most serious danger is *internal*, anyway — “Atlanticist” neoliberals and liberals (both economic and social), plus more overtly Chabad cultists … dual/multiple passport holders constantly pandered to by the Putin regime.
The years long torrent of fancy *words* by the likes of Putin and Lavrov is merely a bottle of sleeping pills. Another of the performances to befuddle, as cited by Rove.
The whole thing is a sick pantomime … preventing the rise of genuine opposition, while readying the world in neatly packaged geopolitical chunks for eventual consumption by the Khazarian/Kabbalistic WEF.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 16:13 utc | 236

Taking over Syria, with all her people and riches, and coast, as hostages, is a blown greater than throwing an Oreshnik into the Yuzmash industrial complex….
It has diminished Russian last gambit to insignificance…
Would Russia dare to take over the whole Ukraine in return?
The Hegemonic group has shown how is it to have them as neighbors in, for example, Odessa….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 16:13 utc | 237

new “aid” package for the ukraine. i doubt there was a deal made as some suggested.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 8 2024 16:20 utc | 238

Milites @ 215
You are quite the optimist betting the farm on Trump, I wouldn’t let him into my house to “check for a gas leak” because I know it’s a con and my watch and wallet would be gone.
But, we are all trapped in this yuge casino at the cold dark end of the universe, and if you win we all win – so, why not, let’s give the wheel a spin and hope for the best.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 16:20 utc | 239

The real interest was big Russia becoming little Russia in a day
Posted by: Sadness | Dec 8 2024 10:27 utc | 18
No worries. Slo-mo will save the world. 10D grandchessmaster at work.
Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 10:28 utc | 19
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“The Syrian Arab army proved to be unreliable. Some units just vanished. Others were ordered to retreat in haste even before coming under pressure. One wonders how much of its command level has been infiltrated or bribed.
Throughout the last months, Syria’s allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected [refused] to fall for it.”
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Alon Mizrahi @alon_mizrahi – 5:06 UTC · Dec 8, 2024
“Bear with me: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin not to swallow the bait, right? And make Syria the West’s headache instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.”
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What is it about refusing to be “drawn into a trap” that you jackasses don’t understand? Do you assholes really want Russia to start a nuclear war over Syria? Should Iran allow its military forces to be strung out and destroyed in a battle for Syria?

Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:23 utc | 240

The first planes with Russian personnel are scheduled to depart Khmeimim airbase tomorrow. Sensible decision to get everyone home safe.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 16:23 utc | 241

It’s hard to see this as anything other than a strategic defeat and total humiliation for Russia. The side backed by Russia has been soundly defeated due to Mr Putin’s dithering and geopolitical ineptitude. The Russians will almost definitely have to withdraw their forces from the bases inSyria
Posted by: Joe Doe | Dec 8 2024 16:04 utc | 232
Be careful. If you speak this obvious truth on this site you will be branded a CIA troll. Better to do as b. and engage in some creative victim blaming.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 16:24 utc | 242

Gadhaffi to arab leaders in 2008, re Saddam Hussein. “Maybe your turn is next?” Assad laughed.
https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1865789075778601463/mediaviewer

Posted by: Mary | Dec 8 2024 16:27 utc | 243

Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 12:14 utc | 98
*** Putin correctly saw Western intrigues in Ukraine as an existential threat to the Russian heartland, and Syria as disposable in return for western abandonment of Ukraine NATO membership and armament and removal of sanctions.***
So facilitating the NATO/Turkic/Zionist capture of all the “Stans” right along to China via jihadist forces and neoliberal corruption is supposedly reducing an existential threat?
*** By threatening the Russian heartland the Zionists removed a threat to THEIR heartland of Eretz Israel.***
So, one might reasonably ask, why (instead of pulverising them) suck their greasy kosher socks while — literally or effectively — putting on a silly little hat and bashing one’s head against the wall of an old Roman fortress in Jerusalem?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 16:28 utc | 244

@ Bemildred – 214
I agree with most of your points. However, Iran can’t deal with any of its enemies I suspect there will be a period of introspection from the Persians

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 16:28 utc | 245

For some idea of what is happening to Syria now
https://tgstat.com/channel/@TheSimurgh313
for example:
– the Zionists army entered 14 km deep into Syrian territory.
– Damascus is under attack by the Zionists and opposition groups are silent. (So is everyone else, JB)
– Israel has targeted:
• Mezzeh Military Airport
• Customs and Intelligence Buildings
• Scientific Research Centers
• Defense Laboratories

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 16:33 utc | 246

Is Syria still part of the Arc Of Resistance?
Has the Assad Curse been lifted?

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 16:33 utc | 247

Ghost of Mozgovoy @ 233

The same will happen with fertile lands, energy sources, water sources and any prosperous industry which remains after the ruining of the country…

The EU just signed a massive trade agreement with South America, a tariff free zone for their agricultural products, this will do to EU farmers what NAFTA did to USA manufactures, and to USA cities in the heartland. The tragic destruction of manufacturing already seen for a while now in the North of the UK and more recently across the EU, France and Italy especially, was only the beginning as it’ll now be compounded by collapse of the agricultural base.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 16:33 utc | 248

@Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 16:13 utc | 236
I read time ago at “Dancing with bears” that Lavrovs daighter and her husband work in finance…
How in the Earth the “best diplomat of the world” would want to change this system of financial cabals turning the world into a big casino, one wonders…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 16:34 utc | 249

One hour ago:
Dialogue Works – Nima
Prof. Mohammad Marandi: Syria Has FALLEN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFcf0LUyQkA

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 8 2024 16:35 utc | 250

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-syrias-assad-has-left-country-given-orders-peaceful-power-handover-2024-12-08/
We’ll see what happens. And yeah, no need to kill me for linking to Reuters, I know they are scum.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 16:37 utc | 251

Russian and China don’t want to pay for an empire. That’s the reason why they can’t save Assad regime from occidental sanctions, bombing and weapons pumping in Syria. Now, we can only hope the new régime will not génocide the minorities. Syrians have to save themselves. Now, the end of sanctions and the end of the occupation is needed for the restart of Syria. Even an islamic tyranny is better than starvation and bombing. But we don’t know if Israël will allow the rebirth of Syria. Perhaps, their goal is only to libyanese Syria.

Posted by: Koui | Dec 8 2024 16:39 utc | 252

@cortomaltese | Dec 8 2024 15:15 utc
Cortomaltese: Thanks for the push-back on my assertion that Syrians were “fed up with Assad”. This is a key point, and needs ventilation.
Most of the material I read – several articles about it – comes from Western sources, and often sources with axes to grind. That said, there seems to be a lot of of lit that backs up that claim. Here’s a few for Barflies to contemplate:
This one’s from Wikipedia, in the section on Syrian civil war. (I know, read it anyway, then cross-ref to other sources to confirm/deny).

After the outbreak of the Syrian Civil War which began in 2011, the Ba’athist state imposed forced conscription of able-bodied men, mainly the youth. Due to the Assad government’s fear of mass defections in military ranks, it prefers to send Alawite recruits for active combat on the frontlines and the conscriptions disproportionately targeted Alawite regions. This has resulted in a large number of ‘Alawite casualties and Alawite villages in the coastal areas have suffered immensely as a result of their support for the Assad government. Many Alawites, particularly the younger generation who believes that the Ba’athists have held their community hostage, have reacted with immense anger at Assad government’s corruption and hold the government responsible for the crisis. There have been rising demands across Alawite regions to end the conflict by achieving reconciliation with the Syrian opposition and preventing their community from being perceived as being associated with the Assad government.[93][94]
Some have claimed many Alawite loyalists fear a negative outcome for the government may result in an existential threat to their community.[95] In May 2013, pro-opposition SOHR stated that out of 94,000 Syrian regime soldiers killed during the war, at least 41,000 were Alawites.[96] Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age has been killed in the conflict by 2015, due to being disproportionately sent to fight in the frontlines by the Assad government.[97][98] In April 2017, a pro-opposition source claimed 150,000 young Alawites had died.[99] Another report estimates that around 100,000 Alawite youths were killed in combat by 2020.[100]
Many Alawites feared significant danger during the Syrian Civil War; particularly from Islamic groups who were a part of the opposition, though denied by secular opposition factions.[101] Alawites have also been wary of the increased Iranian influence in Syria since the Syrian civil war, viewing it as a threat to their long-term survival due to Khomeinist conversion campaigns focused in Alawite coastal regions. Many Alawites, including Assad loyalists, criticize such activities as a plot to absorb their ethno-religious identity into Iran’s Twelver Shia umbrella and spread religious extremism in the country.[102]

Here’s one from a 2012 article from Syria Deeply. It repeats most of what’s said in the Wikipedia article. Check the About page to get the authors’ provenance; they’ve got Western support, but live in Syria or Lebanon, and have got skin in the game.
Here’s an excerpt from an Aljazeera article in 2013:

When the Syrian uprising began in March 2011, it was a popular protest against an authoritarian regime, not a Sunni fight against the country’s Alawite leader, but it has morphed into a civil war with an increasingly sectarian tone. Many of Assad’s opponents are Sunni because most Syrians are Sunni. Many of Assad’s supporters are Alawites because the Assads (Bashar and his late father and predecessor, Hafez) built a formidable clan-based Alawite substructure in the security and armed forces and within the elite political and economic classes. Still, there are Sunni soldiers fighting for the regime, as well as men from other sects, and there are a few (but not many) Alawites in the opposition.

There is lots more to find and read. Unfortunately, I don’t read Arabic, and can’t corroborate from non-Western sources. Maybe others can.
Thanks again, Cortomaltese, for the push-back. This is a key point in understanding what just happened in Syria.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Dec 8 2024 16:39 utc | 253

What is it about refusing to be “drawn into a trap” that you jackasses don’t understand? Do you assholes really want Russia to start a nuclear war over Syria?
Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:23 utc | 240
You wouldn’t even want Russia to start a nuclear war over Moscow.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 16:40 utc | 254

“Do you assholes really want Russia to start a nuclear war over Syria?”
Yes.

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 8 2024 16:43 utc | 255

You are very ignorant.
The UNITED STATES is THE ONLY COUNTRY IN HISTORY TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN WAR.
Geez – do a bit of reading and learn about history before posting nonsense.
Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 15:40 utc | 218
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Yes, Julian, but the US dropped the bomb when only the US had the bomb; they did it to warn the USSR that they had the bomb, and it is effective, and Japan was the best chance to make that point. In other words, the US neo-cons and war hawks in the Truman administration were chicken shits, which is the point that Hidari @ 10:11 utc | 9 was making. That is not ignorant at all.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:45 utc | 256

You wouldn’t even want Russia to start a nuclear war over Moscow.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 16:40 utc | 254
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Welcome back, Tichy; I haven’t heard from you for a while: To your point, you might if it is in defense of your own country. The two things are not the same, but you know that already.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:50 utc | 257

@ Bemildred – 214
I agree with most of your points. However, Iran can’t deal with any of its enemies I suspect there will be a period of introspection from the Persians
Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 16:28 utc | 245
Thank you for your comment.
I think you are wrong about that, but time will tell, times makes fools of us all.
“Time is like a tailor, who specializes in alterations.”
The Persians are indeed busy, they are busy making up with the Sunni powers, i,e, KSA & UAE & Qatar, the money boys, who are smack in the middle of their crosshairs in the Middle East. They should make a heck of a team together. Sunni cash and Persian tech and brains. A match from heaven.
The question at this point is what sort of governance can the Sunni powers put together for their new dominions?
And where, for example will they export their unemployed young men, now that Syria is no longer a place for jihad?
Chaos looms, as Arch says. Who will restore order? The Turks? Well, it will at least keep them occupied for a while.
Assad, whatever you think of him, is what has kept Syria together this long. I don’t see any handy replacement.
The board has been turned over, now who will pick up all the pieces, put them back in order, so the game can continue?

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 16:50 utc | 258

“Do you assholes really want Russia to start a nuclear war over Syria?”
Yes.
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 8 2024 16:43 utc | 255
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Well assholes will be assholes.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:52 utc | 259

Yes, Julian, but the US dropped the bomb when only the US had the bomb; they did it to warn the USSR that they had the bomb, and it is effective, and Japan was the best chance to make that point. In other words, the US neo-cons and war hawks in the Truman administration were chicken shits, which is the point that Hidari @ 10:11 utc | 9 was making. That is not ignorant at all.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:45 utc | 256
Yes, that’s why I said Hidari’s point was the single best I have read on this site for quite some time. I’m happy you recognize its salience.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 16:53 utc | 260

the axis of least resistance
@ abel | Dec 8 2024 16:11 utc | 234

This has been, overall, a superb thread — starting with b’s excellent sampling of capsule reactions. Warm thanks to the MoA community for heaping helpings of honest analysis, in troubled times. We’re not into kidding ourselves.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2024 16:53 utc | 261

JohninMK @ 213
These are small towns and neighborhoods, why would locals loot themselves, remember that the news out of Syria is now wholly in the hands of the CIA and its people there. Anyone, HTS or civilian posting out of order will be in for trouble.
This time they will carefully hide the looting and shooting and purging and lynching and play up the peaceful takeover, all we will have is rumors. The jihadis have already been costumed by the CIA wardrobe department in Che Guevara natty liberation struggle fatigues like Zelensky, instead of a stinky guy in a turban the new HTS leader is Che Guevara with a proper beard, same crisp fatigues, a very studied rebrand of the same old army of chaos. Hard to believe anyone falls for it, but it seems to work. Syria is in for ugly times, very sad.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 16:55 utc | 262

I suggest to watch HistoryLegends concerning the milatary operations and the collapse of Syrian army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kwFt6z3gaI

Posted by: FromFrance | Dec 8 2024 16:56 utc | 263

By the way, @Ed, you’re of course right. The two things are not the same, but you have continuously argued for “patience.” This is the result of that patience. A horrible defeat at the hands of ISIS enabled by the United States and the apartheid state of Israel. Where’s old Joe Stalin when you need him?

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 17:00 utc | 264

About the only assessment I’ve made that’s holding up is that we’re approaching peak evil.
In fact, I’m expecting the Israelis to take advantage of all this chaos…any minute now…

Posted by: john | Dec 8 2024 17:01 utc | 265

@Tom Pfotzer – 253
A thoughtful post.
Let’s start with the fact that Sunnis make up about 60-70% of Syria. But during the Civil War, Sunnis suffered great losses, to which we should also add up to 5 million refugees who went to Turkey and Europe. Nevertheless, in the SAA, Sunni Muslims are the majority.
The old general cadres of the SAA of Hafez al-Assad are mainly Sunnis.
Alawites made up the majority in the special services, some separate units, and volunteer formations. There were many of them in the 5th Corps , created with the help of Russian military advisers.
The remaining ethnic groups were actually Shiite Arabs; Orthodox Arabs, Armenians, and other Christians made up 5-10% of the entire population.
The exact numbers are currently unknown due to the permanent war and migration.
The Kurds, however, remain separate, although they too are divided between the People’s Protection Units (YPG), an organization of local Kurds affiliated with the PKK, and Kurds who support the Iraqi organization of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP ).
The Druze living in southern Syria are divided into two camps: FOR and AGAINST Assad.
What happened in Syria over the past week is, IMHO, a military coup, an anti-Assad generals’ conspiracy. The Syrian Arab Army is a regular army with its pros and cons, with normal training and experience. It was only possible to leave key cities like this as a result of fundamental decrees from the Sunni generals.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 17:05 utc | 266

Yes.
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 8 2024 16:43 utc | 255
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Well assholes will be assholes.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:52 utc | 259
No need for nukes, there’s Orezhnik now.
Right …?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 17:05 utc | 267

We’re not into kidding ourselves.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2024 16:53 utc | 261
Yes, this is the way the forum should work. Regrettably, Syria is lost. The Evil Empire captured 185,180 square kilometers from the resistance in a single day.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 17:07 utc | 268

No need for nukes, there’s Orezhnik now. Right …?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 17:05 utc | 267
There are only Oreshniks if you use them.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 17:08 utc | 269

Is Syria still part of the Arc Of Resistance?
Has the Assad Curse been lifted?
Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 16:33 utc | 247
We’ll know in a few months as new resistance groups begin to form out of the chaos.
There was never an ‘Assad Curse’.
There was a “White Colonizer” curse.
That’s the thing the Syrians need to break.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 17:08 utc | 270

The aider and abettor of the genocide in Gaza the English PM Keir Starmer has welcomed the regime change in Syria – even though the terrorist outfits backed by the West are proscribed – if one mentions any support for Hamas in the UK they could find themselves in prison but – for the English government Jolani and his terrorists are the good guys.
Its not the people rising up and removing Assad – no, its the Wests terrorist outfits murdering raping and pillaging their way across Syria that’s doing it – along with US military planes which have been strafing SAA troops (in what I might add is a sovereign country where the US WAS NOT invited in) at every turn.
Assad isn’t a nice guy – and I didn’t really care that much for his regime – in saying that, Syria will now end up like Libya a failed state where murdering pillaging and raping will be a daily occurrence – Libya was certainly a better place with Gaddafi at its head – like Syria it was at least a secular nation.
If you don’t bow to the Wests hegemony – we’ll send in the terrorists – is the Wests new motto.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 8 2024 17:10 utc | 271

“Do you assholes really want Russia to start a nuclear war over Syria?”
Yes.
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 8 2024 16:43 utc | 255
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Well assholes will be assholes.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2024 16:52 utc | 259

If you understood how the dominos will fall after this, you would also understand why this was a situation that did call for the nukes to be used.
But most people here don’t understand what awaits ahead.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 17:11 utc | 272

This is very funny and brings some freshness to this sad thread.
I remember that certain users formaly used to regularly post on MOA that the real Putin lives with his family in Switzerland or Germany. The current Putin is smaller than the original, has different ears and speaks differently and, incidentally, is a bad judo fighter, as if he had forgotten how to do it.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 8 2024 13:28 utc | 163

In order for such a theory to have relevance, there must be some kind of a radical change in policy at some point when Putin was supposedly switched.
But in fact there isn’t – everything you see now is a continuation of what happened in the previous 25 years, which in turn is a continuation of what happened in the 1990s and during the times when the USSR was deliberately destroyed from within. It is just that people are paying attention now, and only now, after the Syria catastrophe, are they starting to wake up because it is impossible to deny the obvious anymore.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 17:11 utc | 273

There was never an ‘Assad Curse’.
There was a “White Colonizer” curse.
That’s the thing the Syrians need to break.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 17:08 utc | 270
Uhm. You’d argue Syrians aren’t White? https://www.reddit.com/r/Syria/comments/gl7iub/are_we_considered_white/

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 17:11 utc | 274

@: Apollyon | Dec 8 2024 16:02 utc | 229
Most of those had been jihadists and jihadist sympathizers all along, particularly those roaming the streets like packs of wolves. After all, they “fled from Assad” – and are not shy calling for Sharia law in Germany, showing their nature.
Alas, I’m afraid they will be staying, as free money and easy loot might look more promising than whatever awaits in Syria. And those Syrians who really will seek refuge from Jihadist headchoppers will have no place to go. I’ll never forget the poor Jezidian girl who fled from Germany back to Iraq because she felt safer over there.

Posted by: Lucrezia | Dec 8 2024 17:13 utc | 275

@ Aleph_Null 261
I agree an excellent thread with mostly good posts as we all try to comprehend the seismic changes were witnessing.
The Middle East and the world are now a much-changed place. The British the American’s the Turks, the Russians, the Iranian’s and the Israeli’s no one expected things to move as quick as they did.
We sail in uncharted waters and the West in particular doesn’t realize what a hornet’s nest has been poked.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 17:14 utc | 276

But in fact there isn’t – everything you see now is a continuation of what happened in the previous 25 years, which in turn is a continuation of what happened in the 1990s and during the times when the USSR was deliberately destroyed from within. It is just that people are paying attention now, and only now, after the Syria catastrophe, are they starting to wake up because it is impossible to deny the obvious anymore.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 17:11 utc | 273
90% of the barfolk here are still sleeping. And I have a pretty good inkling about what lies ahead. Unlike the case with most here, I think we could have a discussion about Lenin’s only significant philosophical work. I’m pretty sure you can name it for me. Prove me right.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 17:17 utc | 277

We sail in uncharted waters and the West in particular doesn’t realize what a hornet’s nest has been poked.
@ HughG | Dec 8 2024 17:14 utc | 276

This international catastrophe most richly illustrates, for USrael, the age-old maxim, carefully framed in grandma’s needlepoint:

Be Careful What You Wish For!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2024 17:21 utc | 278

Is this just the first country to be “cleaned-up” by the NATO West? Will the Serbs in Republika Srpska be next? The remaining Serbs in Kosovo, too? Moldova?
Posted by: Muckraker | Dec 8 2024 12:40 utc | 127

Lots of bad things are yet to happen elsewhere, but think about the even longer-term trajectory for Israel, because that is the greatest threat. You have only two places in the world right now with an openly professed genocidal racial supremacist ideology copied directly from Nazi Germany – Israel and Ukraine. So those are the greatest threats to the world.
What happens in the immediate future is that Israel will finish off Gaza and the West Bank and occupy and ethnically cleanse at least the south of Lebanon and as much of of southern Syria as it wants.
Then there might be a pause for a bit to consolidate control, but ultimately what someone there wrote for The Times of Israel the other day will still hold – “Israel needs lebensraum for its exploding population”. Yes, exactly in those words. Not even hiding it anymore – it is the exact same ideology as in 1930s Germany, but in an Israeli version.
So the demographic pressure will be relieved for a bit through genocide of the neighboring populations, but then it will build up again. Rinse and repeat to the Greater Israel of that infamous Nile-to-the-Euphrates map most people have presumably seen.
If they are even bothered to justify it, it will be through the October 7th playbook, which is why they are installing radical islamists in power in Syria now – that will be used as cover for the subsequent rounds of genocide and ethnic replacement.
The problem is it doesn’t stop there – demographic pressure will continue building. So who is next to be put on the menu decades further down the line? Most likely Europe — to the south and southeast it is the Arabian and Sahara deserts, to the east it is the Iranian and Central Asian ones; fertile land is to be found in a northern and northwestern direction. And Europe by that time will itself be full of islamists and greatly destabilized.
Rinse and repeat and in a few centuries the whole world will be genocided out and replaced. This is where it is all potentially headed.
P.S. The greatest tragedy of what is happening now is that Israel didn’t have any strategic depth originally. From Lebanon and Syria and Egypt you could do a preventive first strike on their nuclear weapon systems before they could fire them and you could shoot down their strategic missiles before they could reach their mid-course phase (which is the only moment you have a realistic chance of shooting them down). Now they have acquired that strategic depth. The use-it-or-lose-it principle has never been shown to be more prescient than during the last year…

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 17:25 utc | 279

Assad’s fall happened because the rest of the country was fed up with him
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Dec 8 2024 14:48 utc | 196

Assad was not toppled by the non-Alawite people, like you’re suggesting – there were no public uprisings lately like in Georgia. Rather, Assad’s fall was completely caused by a failure of the military to defend him. In the face of, I still don’t know how many, but extremely well armed HTS- and Turkish forces.
The SA generals were probably underpaid – making it easy to bribe them. Most certainly, they had no modern equipment – Assad was short of money to buy it for them. And why was the shortage of money – because of the Caesar sanctions. They are crucial – yet I’ve not seen them mentioned anywhere in the posts. They prohibited all foreigners from investing any money into the country, while it was trying to get back on its feet again after years of “civil war” that had really been Obama’s covert war against Assad.
And what revenue they had, from selling their oil and wheat, was forcibly taken away from them by the Yankees occupying those parts of the country, and stealing those goods from them.
To sum it up, Assad was toppled because the US neocons were hellbent on getting rid of him, so they exhausted the country economically to a degree that it could no longer defend itself. Against an enemy who acted methodically and professionally both in starving the country and in setting up their “moderate rebels” for the final push.
Systematic annihilation, that is. They are doing this with other countries as well. One of them is Germany.

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 8 2024 17:25 utc | 280

P.S. The greatest tragedy of what is happening now is that Israel didn’t have any strategic depth originally. From Lebanon and Syria and Egypt you could do a preventive first strike on their nuclear weapon systems before they could fire them and you could shoot down their strategic missiles before they could reach their mid-course phase (which is the only moment you have a realistic chance of shooting them down). Now they have acquired that strategic depth. The use-it-or-lose-it principle has never been shown to be more prescient than during the last year…
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 17:25 utc | 279

One more thing to add – this will also make them even less controllable by the US. Right now the US is fully politically captured, but if it wasn’t, it has the military-technical means to contain Israel if some miracle ever happened, it was no longer captured, and someone decided to fight the monster.
But if you think things are bad now when Israel has to rely on the US for such support, just wait for when it no longer does…

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 17:30 utc | 281

@ Tichy – 277
Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism
It outlines the growth of monopoly capitalism, and the wars for resources to which it inevitably leads. A book that’s as relevant today as when it was written.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 17:32 utc | 282

People were quite surprised at how fast the Iraqi army folded, too. Eventually, it turned out that a good part of the top officers had been bought of. I expect the same here – and if Iran and Russia got word of it, it explains both why they pushed Assad to compromise and didn’t want to get involved.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 8 2024 12:07 utc | 87

If those top officers were bought, what prevented Russia and Iran from offering more?
What happened in reality was that Russia and Iran stopped funding and arming the SAA years ago. And here is the logical result.
The same argument applies to Ukraine — Nuland was bragging about how it cost a mere $5B to flip it.
Well, could Russia have invested a lot more than those $5B into preventing that outcome given what was at stake?
How much have the last three years cost them?
Same story in Syria – how much will what happened the last two weeks cost them in the future?

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 17:32 utc | 283

The USA was cutting its losses. Like I suspect Russia and Iran have done.
Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 8 2024 13:41 utc | 172
The Syrian Army saw the Russians packing up and decided desertion was a better bet than fighting.
All the more reason to think a deal was struck.
Zelensky is already making conciliatory noises, NATO membership is now officially off the table, arms shipments now being made conditional on negotiations.
Ukraine was never a viable NATO member, the supply lines would be too long, and the West would never have sent troops to defend them.
Nor will they the other expansion members, as they may soon find out.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 17:36 utc | 284

Thread is moving too fast to read it all, maybe it’s been mentioned, but Russians weren’t just lounging at the beach on the coast while in Syria, IIRC Wagner had a hell of a brutal fight liberating Palmyra from jihadis, I think twice, it’s where they made their reputation, or at least when I first heard of them. They must have lost a fair number of men in those battles. Must be tough for at least some part of the MoD to forget all about it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 17:41 utc | 285

RE:Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 15:52 utc | 224
Mr.Julian, can you please explain why Russia needs Syrian territory after Iran joined BRICS, Saudi Arabia joined BRICS, EGYPT joined BRICS, Turkey wants to become BRICS member? In the recent weeks Russia signed new security agreements with Kazachstan, North Korea, Belarus,…and some other Central Asia States. Thus effectively reclaimed former Soviet Republics as was in 1989 (except Baltics). Russia now provides so called “nuclear umbrella” to all former states of Soviet Union.
I think Russia just handed over to Middle East states (Iran, Turky, Irak, Saudy,…) the Syria issue. Told them ” that is your zone of influance…..take care of it…we can help you if you need”. I didnt see any anger, any fight, nothing….the transition of Syria issue to Middle East BRICS states went very smoothly. And the Western propaganda can also be happy…..Assad is removed 🙂
Now, lets concentrate on solving Ukraine issue….

Posted by: Jan | Dec 8 2024 17:45 utc | 286

JohninMK @ 213
These are small towns and neighborhoods, why would locals loot themselves, remember that the news out of Syria is now wholly in the hands of the CIA and its people there. Anyone, HTS or civilian posting out of order will be in for trouble.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 16:55 utc | 262
I was writing about Damascus where the Presidential Palace and Assad’s house were clearly the subject of freelance looting as one might expect. Subject to organised looting, sorry cash relocation for safety, was the Bank of Syria plus other sites no doubt. There does seem to be a fair amount of general posting on SM.
More interesting is Israel’s actions in bombing the Intelligence and Immigration Records HQs and other Government buildings, wiping out all their records. Also the IAF seems to be intent on destroying the functioning of all significant Syrian military assets and their stores, research sites etc. No Bagram AB here.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 17:48 utc | 287

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/syria-syrian-rebels-seize-control-of-al-mezzeh-military-airport-in-damascus/vi-AA1vtt8K
Five hours ago the Miliatants seized a Syrian airbase an hour ago the Israeli’s flattended it.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 17:48 utc | 288

Rarely have I been so sickened in my life.

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 15:41 utc | 220
Same here…
I lost my younger brother in spring, old mama got sick and phisically unable at the same time, and passed these past six months longing the lost brother and trying to manage everything, still at work, almost had started to recover repairing sleep and joy of existence again, now this…
I feel it like it would had happened to my own family, as Syria is somehow the mother of the civilized world…more of a symbol it can not be..and probably why it was attacked first….those evil people love sending this kind of signals…
The hopes of the resistance get a huge blow with the falling of Syria, after the faliong of many of their leadership..but, we must continue fighting, since, as the genuine mukawama always show, even when everything is lost, what justifies us is just the fight against this evil, not victory…
Merry Christmas…
I leave this old opera like song dedicated to Al Quds City sung by a young Fairouz amongst the millenia old cedars of Lebanon….they will destroy them too in their frenzy to monetize everything…they will never have enough until each and every beauty of this world and even the whole Earth dissapears from their view…like a plague of lobsters!!!
https://youtu.be/hsrTUDS6El4?feature=shared

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 17:49 utc | 289

It outlines the growth of monopoly capitalism, and the wars for resources to which it inevitably leads. A book that’s as relevant today as when it was written.
Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 17:32 utc | 282
It’s a classic, but I was referring to his one outright philosophical work. Materialism and Empirocriticism.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 17:52 utc | 290

*** So facilitating the NATO/Turkic/Zionist capture of all the “Stans” right along to China via jihadist forces and neoliberal corruption is supposedly reducing an existential threat?***
Ukraine is a lot closer to Mother Russia and Moscow than Syria is. They may not have “facilitated” this as much as seen it as having no other choice. They saw an opportunity to take advantage of Trump’s desire to end funding Ukraines war while removing the motivation that started the process – Russian support for Zionist enemy Assad.
***So, one might reasonably ask, why (instead of pulverising them) suck their greasy kosher socks while — literally or effectively — putting on a silly little hat and bashing one’s head against the wall of an old Roman fortress in Jerusalem?***
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 16:28 utc | 244
The Sunnis will now police Eastern Syria from Iranian attempts to resupply its allies on Israeli frontiers.
Pulverizing the area would just be a setback, and the Resistance would just reestablish themselves along the supply routes.
This way the Sunnis would be doing Israel’s work while Israel would protect them from Iranian attack. Rather like the Jordanians and Egyptians are doing along Israel’s southern frontiers.
Remember Jordan’s efforts during Iran’s missile barrage on Israel?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 17:53 utc | 291

Hafez El Assad:
Speech at Arab-Islamic conference in Ryad
Gaza has never been an issue. Palestine is the issue and Gaza is an embodiment of its essence and a blatant expression of the suffering of its people. Talking about Gaza individually misses the compass. Gaza is part of a whole and a station in a context and the recent aggression against it is just an event in a long context dating back to seventy-five years of Zionist crime with thirty-two years of a failed peace.
Its only absolute and irrefutable result is that the (Israeli) entity has become more aggressive and the Palestinian situation has become more unjust, oppressive and miserable. Neither the land nor the right has returned neither in Palestine nor in the Golan.
This situation produced a political equation stating that more Arab modesty is equivalent to more Zionist ferocity and that more hand extended by us equals more massacres against us.
In light of this very clear equation the aggression against Gaza cannot be discussed in isolation from the context of the previous Zionist massacres against the Palestinians and the continuation of this context – without a doubt – later.
In light of this equation we cannot isolate this ongoing crime by dealing “as Arab and Islamic countries” with the recurring event in a fragmented and partial manner regarding the Palestinian issue. Our continued dealing with the aggression against Gaza today with the same methodology means paving the way for the completion of the massacres until the annihilation of the people and the death of the cause.
The emergency at our summit today is neither about aggression nor killing as both are ongoing and both are inherent and characteristic of the (Israeli) entity, but the emergency is Zionism outpacing itself in barbarism which places before us responsibilities of unprecedented magnitude both at a minimum level if we put aside the national security of our region.
From a humanitarian standpoint there is no dispute to bear a large share of restoring the minimum requirements of life whether through immediate aid or rebuilding the necessary infrastructure later, but do we continue to revolve in a vicious circle of killing and aid, then massacres, then aid, aggression, then statements?
The most important question is: What does the Palestinian need from us? Does he need humanitarian aid from us first or does he need protection from us first from the upcoming genocide?
Here lies our role, and here lies our political work but if we do not have real tools for pressure then any step we take or speech we deliver has no meaning. The minimum that we have are the actual political tools not the rhetorical ones, the most important of which is stopping any political track with the Zionist entity with all that the political track includes, whether economic or other issues, so that its return is conditional on the entity’s commitment to immediate and long-term cessation, not a temporary one, of crimes against all Palestinians in all of Palestine, while allowing immediate aid to enter Gaza.
As for the two states and launching the peace process and other details and rights, despite their importance, they are not the priority at this emergency moment, even though we know that talking about them will not bear fruit because there is no partner, no sponsor, no reference , and no law. Because a right cannot be restored when the criminal has become a judge and the thief has become a referee, and this is the state of the West today.
Only by our will, brothers, apart from our demands on Western countries on international institutions and others to bear their responsibilities, as they only bear historical colonial responsibilities based on the oppression and plunder of peoples.
Only by our will by the overwhelming popular public opinion in our countries and the new reality imposed by the heroic Palestinian resistance in our region did we possess these tools.
Let us use them, and let us take advantage of the global transformation that opened for us political doors that had been closed for decades so that we could through them change the equations.
May the precious souls who rose in Palestine be a worthy price (for) what we were unable to do in the past and what we must accomplish in the present and future.
Peace be upon you.
– Assad talking about relations with Turkey: 15.07.2024
He stressed the importance of addressing the past openly and learning from political mistakes that have caused immense destruction and loss of life, to lay the foundations for a future free from such pitfalls for future generations.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/al-assad-says-ready-to-meet-erdogan-if-it-serves-state-inter

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 17:57 utc | 292

Correcton:
Bashar Al Assad

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 17:59 utc | 293

Press TV comment.
Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 8 2024 13:54 utc | 179
This PressTV comment states that Iran warned Assad repeatedly about the threat from Takfiri groups but Assad ignored it.
This has the ring of truth. It seems that Assad wanted to believe that the (pretended) normalization was genuine. And the Russians wanted hoped for that too – because they are busy in Ukraine.
With the hope of peace, SAA also got lax?
Such an explanation seems logical but Hasbara want to point to explanations that weaken the resistance. And the bar jumps at the bait.
= =
This is a strategic defeat for Russia. Syria was a long-time ally. Great Nations don’t throw their allies under the bus – to wit, this was NOT something they wanted or expected. So it’s highly likely that they were surprised. They must be pissed at that.
– They have learned so much about their enemy – yet still underestimate them. Wow.
– We can only guess what assurances Erdogan/Turkey betrayed. Wow.
I think this makes peace in Ukraine even less likely. And might prompt Russia to be more agressive in Ukraine. Especially as their warnings against Western troops in Ukraine go unheeded (as reported at RT today).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 8 2024 18:01 utc | 294

So why are the Taliban such bad fellows if HTS is now democratic moderate rebels? Taliban banned opium production. Heroin money was essential for black ops and the financial institutions. Now there is fentanyl. Heroin has basically disappeared on world markets. Heroin always was a very exotic drug with a great deal of smuggling and organic precursors. Heroin entering the world market plummeted to its lowest levels ever upon the Taliban banning opium production. A reduction of some 90%. The USA invaded 6 months later and heroin production returned to its prior levels and increased every year they were there. Upon the USA exit the taliban once again banned opium production and once again heroin entering the world market plummeted and is still at record lows. This completed the transition of the worlds narcotics trade to fentanyl.
The conflict of interest that banning opium production posed is solved by fentanyl. Will we see a rebranded taliban trained and outfitted with the newest weapons communications and EW to wage war on Iran? The taliban must certainly be pondering the unfairness of their fate as the observe a significantly more radical sunni caliphate group with significantly worse criminal behavior get rebranded as moderate rebels while Afghanistan starves to death. The taliban are not exactly what you want as next door neighbors but they did try to do the right thing by a attempting to eradicate narcotics. opium production was a largew part of Afganistans economy and its absence along with the sanctions leaves Afghanistan with very little means to feed itself.
I myself as a infidel could never accept a caliphate state. But thats my nation. what they do in theirs is there business. The exception in my opinion is genocide. I would like to think all nations would rise in opposition to Genocide.
As I evaluate the things I value in a nation state such as non interventionism, personal liberty of self expression, religious freedom, respect for all cultures, a secular society and a truly blind justice system the taliban score very low.My nation the USA scores very low also but for different reasons primarily interventionism.. The taliban are veritable angels compared to the caliphate groups that operate in Syria that at least in the past activly practiced slavery and genocide. Compared to them the taliban is actually in truth “moderate”.
The taliban surly must crave a piece of the Sunni rise to power. They have significant warrior skills to offer. The Taliban rebrand for war with Iran is not science fiction it is a certainty. The model now is proxy war. The effectiveness of the proxy war model can not be disputed. The taliban are the only suitable geopolitical enity and they are not just suitable but extremely suitable. The taliban can starve to death their persevering in the war against the USA forgotten as a achievement in the Sunni annals or become mercenary Sunni rock stars. They have been groomed for this and the economic conditions created for them create another strong motivator.
The Afghanistan war was a failure of a particular model where caliphate Islam was attempted to be eliminated and replaced. How much easier to just tweak and rebrand it and put it on the payroll since the primary motivator of the conflict- cessation of the narcotics money flows- is no longer a issue.
The Syria events represent the end of the Munich declaration and Russia intervention. I think this is partially because of Chinese influence. My belief is non interventionism in the end is a winning strategy for the nations that practice it. In the end extending military power is just too costly. Look at this Turkish success. In their backyard. a very powerful nation exerted power against a much less powerful nation. in its backyard. The results were predictable. Just like the Ukraine. The morals ethics and situation are completely different but the physical reality the same.
In a perfect world nations would only concern themselves with what occurs within their borders. A less desirable practice is the immediate geographical area.
While Turkiyes actios are certainly one of a pirate it operated from a a fundamentally sound principle of short supply chain and logistics.
It was impossible for Russia to prop up Syria for ever. Yes the nations were friends. Russia learned its lesson from the Soviet experiment.
No nation is perfect. Mistakes are made and there is pain. the pain allows contemplation and growth. It contains the possibility of learning. The biggest mistake is ignoring the pain and refusing to learn. Russias experiment in world police ends. Its experiment in world cooperation continues. Do not confuse one for the other.
One can judge the arab nations on their lack of compassion about the Gaza genocide but the whole world is the same.
The most laugable idea is the Syrian refugees will return from Europe to a rebranded caliphate. Another apartheid state has just been created. Christians will not fare well. How much more of the former Syria will Israel get?
Trump crys foul, He knows this is a epic win for Israel. Israel just got their greter Israel but not on Trumps watch. You have to understand. by trumps telling the truth that HTS is rebranded caliphate terrorists it associates that truth with Trump. Half of the people think Trump is hitler/devil. So that particular truth is now rejected. It cant be evaluated by half the population because they would then agree with trump and that is a fate worse than death.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 8 2024 18:03 utc | 295

@ Tichy – 290
Ah, yes in the context of this thread and site.
Indeed, many commentators are indeed imprisoned in a snowglobe of their internal experience – mistaking it for reality. Maybe events if the last month will start to free them.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 18:03 utc | 296

“No need for nukes, there’s Orezhnik now.
Right …?”
Posted by: Arch Bungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 8 2024 18:05 utc | 297

I think this makes peace in Ukraine even less likely. And might prompt Russia to be more agressive in Ukraine.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 8 2024 18:01 utc | 294
We can hope! Hope is the last thing that dies!
I’ve been pretty vocal about the stones of Lviv. I see no need to repeat that sentiment but it is unchanged.

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 18:06 utc | 298

Indeed, many commentators are indeed imprisoned in a snowglobe of their internal experience – mistaking it for reality.
Posted by: HughG | Dec 8 2024 18:03 utc | 296
Precisely. 🙂

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 18:07 utc | 299

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 8 2024 17:49 utc | 289
I am deeply sorry for your loss. Be strong and embrace your sorrow.
Syria, as Palestine and Lebanon, are our collective loss.
It is very hard to live in this dehumanized world.
But, I have faith in (the) Resistance. Heeding the lessons of history, of human experience, I know that from the ruins of Palestine, Lebanon and Syria many, many Soleimanis, Haniyehs, Nasrallas and Sinwars will rise and they will win.

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 18:09 utc | 300