Syria Falls
I have yet to fully understand how this could happened at the speed it did happen:
Syrian government falls in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad family - AP, Dec 8 2024
BEIRUT (AP) — The Syrian government fell early Sunday in a stunning end to the 50-year rule of the Assad family after a sudden rebel offensive sprinted across government-held territory and entered the capital in 10 days.Syrian state television aired a video statement by a group of men saying that President Bashar Assad has been overthrown and all detainees in jails have been set free.
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Syrian Prime Minister Mohammed Ghazi Jalali said the government was ready to “extend its hand” to the opposition and turn its functions over to a transitional government.“I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country,” Jalili said in a video statement. He said he would go to his office to continue work in the morning and called on Syrian citizens not to deface public property.
He did not address reports that Assad had fled.
During and after its fight against takfiri terrorists Syria had come under heavy sanctions. Its main assets in the east were under U.S. control. Israel's airforce was bombing its military infrastructure at will. It was ripe to fall.
As soon as the bogus ceasefire in Lebanon was signed Turkey unleashed its takfiri 'Syrian rebels', many of them foreigners, against Syria. These were exceptionally well armed and trained. They have (vid) night vision equipment, drones, artillery, Starlink communication and a capable, professional command.
The Syrian Arab army proved to be unreliable. Some units just vanished. Others were ordered to retreat in haste even before coming under pressure. One wonders how much of its command level has been infiltrated or bribed.
Throughout the last months Syria's allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.
Syria is now likely to fall apart. There will be many bloody acts retributions. A large number of people will seek refuge.
The 'axis of resistance' has lost its main connecting rod. Logistics between Iran and Lebanon will become very difficult.
Resistance however will continue.
A few tweets that caught my eyes:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump - 23:17 UTC · Sep 5, 2013The terrorists in Syria are calling themselves REBELS and getting away with it because our leaders are so completely stupid!
Mark Sleboda @MarkSleboda1 - 4:27 UTC · Dec 8, 2024RIP Syria. My God so fast. Western/Turkish intel co-opted/bought/blackmailed essentially the entire Syrian military & admin into just standing down, and the economy was so hallowed out by sanctions and occupation of Syria's oil and wheat that the state was incapable of resisting.
asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil - 17:42 UTC · Dec 7, 2024Ibrahim Amin of Al-Akhbar wrote a few days ago that Russia had warned Bashshar Al-Asad that the axis is collapsing and urged him to reconcile with Moscow-approved Syrian opposition. He refused. Erdogan tried to reconcile with him and he refused. Not sure what he was counting on.
Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 - 2:51 UTC · Dec 8, 2024There is no Syrian revolution. There is the CIA-run counterrevolution. They sound the same, but are complete opposites.
Syria has lost its sovereignty to competing gangs of Turkish and Israeli-backed jihadist mercenaries who are united in their hate for religious minorities. A dark day for humanity.
Alon Mizrahi @alon_mizrahi - 5:06 UTC · Dec 8, 2024Bear with me: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin to not swallow the bait, right? And make Syria the West's headache, instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.
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asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil - 16:17 UTC · Dec 7, 2024I never have a good word to say about the Syrian regime (and never written or said a word of praise for the regime, since Hafidh Al-Asad days) but: how can we talk about Syria and not talk about Israeli-US plans for the region to destroy state and society in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Libya? No matter how ugly a regime is, US and Israel manage to replace it with something much worse. Look at Libya and Iraq. In Afghanistan, the US established a regime so repugnant that people preferred the Taliban.
Michael Tracey @mtracey - 5:59 UTC · Dec 8, 2024Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) which has now seized power in Syria, was declared by the US State Department as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist group on May 17, 2018. What's the "over-under" on how much longer that designation remains in place?
Posted by b on December 8, 2024 at 9:36 UTC | Permalink
next page »On the plus side, it puts the final nail in the coffin of the concept of a frozen conflict.
Creepy Joe's administration is excelling itself at poisoning the wells.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 8 2024 9:47 utc | 3
The refugee wave of the past will be nothing compared to what's to come. I expect Christians, Shiite and any other religious minorities to be murdered in the millions.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 9:50 utc | 4
CNN is already talking about "freedom loving rebels" in Syria. I am really amazed how wide is the western mind that it can accept these islamists now as "freedom fighters" and "democrats". The new way of migrants shall flood EU, but it seems they like it. EU is so wokist that their women are eager to try real Arab men.
On the other hand, Russia and Iran are shown their weakness. It doesnt matter if you own nuclear weapons when you are afraid to use it.
Posted by: salmon | Dec 8 2024 10:00 utc | 5
I suggest barlflies with a few minutes to spare exercise their civic duty and remind the FBI about the 10 Million bounty they have on Al Julani, the leader of HTS who is almost certainly now in Damascus:
https://rewardsforjustice.net/
Last seen on CNN, perhaps their interviewer and production team can be reached for some up to date intelligence. If not, his CIA and MIT handlers surely know his whereabouts.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:02 utc | 6
Too late now. More decisive action should have been taken by Iran to protect Hezbollah and the Lebanon. Divide and conquer strategy has worked for Turks and Israelis. For now. China as ever is completely missing. Perhaps an argument could be made that China is is to some degree a Paper tiger?
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Dec 8 2024 10:02 utc | 7
Deeply saddened by this and worried for the families of Syrians I know. Obviously many pieces and nuances at play, but always felt the reluctance to aggressively defend Syria's airspace weakened the entire enterprise. I keep hearing commentators talk of small and relatively ineffectual, pin-prick attacks. Yet the accumulative result was the erosion of sovereignty and the belief of the armed forces. Feels like one symptom of a much deeper malaise that could have been treated. Depressing day.
Posted by: Glossopteris | Dec 8 2024 10:03 utc | 8
'On the other hand, Russia and Iran are shown their weakness. It doesnt matter if you own nuclear weapons when you are afraid to use it.'
The key factor about American foreign policy is that the United States is one of the safest countries on planet Earth (i.e. from external attack). It is protected by the two largest oceans on Earth, has Canada, a very friendly stable power in the North and Mexico, an only slightly less stable and friendly power in the South.
Why therefore does it have nukes? It's not for self-defence. The US' self-defence is geography.
It's for power project and power projection ONLY.
This is what people don't understand: there is literally zero chance that the US will *ever* engage in 'all out' nuclear war, and take the risk that large numbers of ICBMs will fall on US soil, threatening the continued existence of the US state. Russia might. China might. But the US never, ever, will.
The US' nukes therefore are basically for show: it will never use them, under any circumstances, ever (this is difference, to repeat, from the situation in China and Russia and other countries, both of which could conceivably face existential invasions which might destroy them. This simply cannot happen to the US).
The US is, therefore, as Mao said, a paper tiger. People are terrified of it 'cos they think that the US will use nukes, if push comes to shove, but it never will.
China and Russia need to lose the fear they have of the Americans. They can stand up to the US far more than they are doing at present. The US will quite simply never risk all out war with (e.g.) Russia, because the chances that it will go nuclear (and therefore end in the destruction of the US) are simply too high.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 10:11 utc | 9
asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil - 16:17 UTC · Dec 7, 2024
No matter how ugly a regime is, US and Israel manage to replace it with something much worse. Look at Libya and Iraq. In Afghanistan, the US established a regime so repugnant that people preferred the Taliban.
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This one says it all.
Posted by: Mary | Dec 8 2024 10:13 utc | 10
when Aleppo was taken, i posted here, Christmas is canceled in Aleppo. Does anyone actually believe HTS jewlienee is actually going to allow Christmas in Syria? aka Damascus and aleppo? NOPE! "diversity friendly" what a farce.
For those wondering WHERE IS ASSAD?
most likely dead tragically.
i had read on the rt news ticker,
Assad's plane disappears from radar.
after taking off from Damascus airport, Asad's 1l76? plane, began to lose altitude fast, then disappeared from the radar with the tracker going down.
HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD IT MENTIONED ANYWHERE SINCE. pray it's not true. but sadly, suspect it so?
could be counter-intelligence but i find it hard to believe.
anyone here good at looking into these things?
I wonder if it ends up in ongoing civil war like Libya. Or if one faction is strong enough to rule the others.
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 8 2024 10:16 utc | 12
Reason for Assad’s fall …
President Erdogan further underscored that the Damascus regime failed to comprehend the significance of the hand that Türkiye had extended and what it meant.
The “kid” lived in a bubble of grandeur …
See analysis an hour ago on previous thread Last throngs of Big Satan
The US is, therefore, as Mao said, a paper tiger. People are terrified of it 'cos they think that the US will use nukes, if push comes to shove, but it never will.
China and Russia need to lose the fear they have of the Americans. They can stand up to the US far more than they are doing at present. The US will quite simply never risk all out war with (e.g.) Russia, because the chances that it will go nuclear (and therefore end in the destruction of the US) are simply too high.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 10:11 utc | 9
This is the best MoA post of the current decade.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 10:16 utc | 14
Mohammad Marandi: Syrian Civil War, Erdogan, Netanyahu, Turkey, Israel, Russia, US, Iran, Palestine.
Starlink communication
musk the pentagon. darpa. the killing goes on.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2024 10:26 utc | 16
So now it is clear. The end of US Hegemony has happened and it is very very very angry and stupid as a result.
Disgusting show of vandalism by a serial loser.
So sorry for the Palestinian and Syrian victims.
Posted by: Michael Droy | Dec 8 2024 10:26 utc | 17
The real interest was big Russia becoming little Russia in a day
Posted by: Sadness | Dec 8 2024 10:27 utc | 18
No worries. Slo-mo will save the world. 10D grandchessmaster at work.
Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 10:28 utc | 19
- Quite simple:
- After the end of the syrian civil war (2011 - 2017 (???)) A LOT OF rebels / "fredom fighters" were evacuated by the US to "safer areas" and were preserved to "fight anohter day". This was this "another day". (Source: Patrick Cockburn (???), journalist of the Independent newspaper)
- The US have taken hold of the syrian oilfields after the syrain civil war. Assad had no or very little oilrevenues anymore. It meant that Assad had very little money left to pay for his syrian army. Remember Trump saying "We are taking (=stealing) the oil fields" ???? This oil was now transported and sold to Turkey and from there on to e.g. ........ Israel (think: pipeline Bakoe - Tblisi - Ceyhan)
No wonder, Russia is now not willing to talk to "the West" (anymore ???, for the time being ???)
Also check out larry Johnson's website SONAR21 ( https://sonar21.com )
E.g. https://sonar21.com/us-bows-to-putins-warning-and-some-cautions-about-syria
Posted by: WMG | Dec 8 2024 10:29 utc | 20
Next to fall will be China as Putin throws China under the bus because Trump promises to bring Russia into NATO, Putin's wet wet dream.
Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 10:30 utc | 21
I'm sure MoA barflies would be curious to know who was the Syrian opposition that both Moscow and Tehran had been backing. If this opposition had had anything to do with HTS or the Turkish government, even if indirectly, it is perhaps no wonder that Bashar al Assad refused to have anything to do with the opposition.
The most pressing issue for Syria's allies now is what happens to the Russian naval base at Tartus, whether the Russian Navy will defend it or at the very least remove all essential equipment, weapons, ships and submarines from it.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 8 2024 10:30 utc | 22
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/12/well-arab-militaries.html
It appears some people still haven't understood that the main reason the SAA sold Assad out was because they no longer want to live under the brutal US Caesar sanctions and be a pawn of Iran's (morally justified and legitimate or not) strategy of opposing Israel.
Therefore, despite having some very talented and experienced diplomats, i find it hard to see a scenario where sanction relief/removal and Russian and Iranian military presence on the territory that was Syria will be tolerated by the US, since their removal was a principle goal of the entire strategy in Syria.
-How is Russia going to keep their bases in the Med, does anyone want to suggest any potential scenarios or bargaining chips?
-Will Russia succeed in enforcing the same trigger force deterrence, the same way the US has managed to in Eastern Syria and Iraq? That came with a big stick in Qatar (USAF) and Bahrain (US Navy) and lots of carrots to local allies and politicians. Does Russia hold the same leverage and funds?
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:31 utc | 23
From the previous thread. Dark times ahead. Very dark times...
It occurs to me that one of the few positives about this is that it totally validates the strategy of DPRK. The key point is simply this: seal the borders, build up your economy internally so you are not in the slightest bit influenced by Western 'media' (i.e. propaganda) or Western corporations and, above all, get nukes, and demonstrate you are prepared to use them. Iran has expressed no interest in nukes and that will probably be their undoing. If Iran had nukes, literally none of this would be happening. The only thing that the US is frightened of is nuclear war. That's literally the only thing.Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 7:20 utc | 555
That is correct, but with one important correction -- that isn't the DPRK's strategy, that was Stalin's strategy, which the DPRK simply did not abandon.
The USSR did abandon it immediately after Stalin died -- in retrospect it was doomed the moment Khrushchev went on that trip to the USA.
What follows after that, especially after the Cuban missile crisis (when the Soviet hardliners were apparently tricked into believing they are now on an equal footing) was that interactions between the two camps increased. With that came the corrosive direct Western influence gradually corrupting the Soviet nomenklatura, and with no more purges, the fate of the USSR was sealed.
The Chinese think they were very clever when they tricked the US into handing over its industry, but given today's events, now we can be quite certain they too will fold without a fight when push comes to shove, regardless of their military build up.
Putin is quite clearly ready to surrender -- the talks right now are of a freezing of the conflict along the line of contact, which is a surrender for Russia, and then figuring out how to sell it to the Russian people as a win. And this is a most existential issue for Russia.
Given that China didn't lift a finger to protect its BRI plans (which now largely lie in ruins with the fall of Syria and Erdogan firmly picking a side), they will almost certainly do the same when open confrontation begins.
P.S. This also exposes the intellectual bankruptcy of the BRICS/multipolarity cargo cultists, and validates the Russian doomers. Remember that the latter are people who lived through the USSR collapse, saw first hand how the country was sold out, then continued to watch as Putin took power in order to cement the established status quo as his key priority, which he indeed did. It is still the same people who hold the real power in Russia, which is why the SMO will be shut down with the white flag raised.
And really, who in their right mind truly believed Putin would fight for Syria and the Axis of Resistance? Look at the people around him - it is all Jewish oligarchs, and not just Jewish oligarchs, but mostly the openly Zionist kind. Sure he was going to go to war for Syria. Absolutely. First, it is bad for business, second, Israel is in control in Moscow too, not just in DC.
How the conflict was frozen back in the days already clearly pointed to such an outcome.
Which means the same course of events awaits us in the future with the SMO.
Unless the military finally finds the balls to do a coup, but not like in August 1991. It has to be a serious, well planned one, because we saw how that one ended -- it triggered the terminal collapse of the country back then. And it will have to not just do a coupe, but round up the oligarchs and shoot them, then institute Stalinist purges of all unreliable elements from the business elites and the administration. The chances of that happening are slim.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 9:43 utc | 594
Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 10:41 utc | 25
I think, this Pepes note explains alot of what is going on right now in Middle East and UA:Old-school former Deep State high-level source. Never failed me:
"There was a deal. Washington gets to do what it wants in the Middle East, Russia gets Ukraine. The new Washington has shown exceptional skill."
Thas also explains why is Macron so engry with Trump: he lost Africa, he lost Ukraine project, he now lost Middle East
Posted by: Jan | Dec 8 2024 10:41 utc | 26
Throughout the last months Syria's allies, Iran and Russia, had sought to negotiate a compromise between the opposition and the Assad government. In the end they were unable to overcome the stubbornness of Bashar Assad. They perceived that they were being drawn into a trap and rejected to fall for it.
Thanks b, that explains a lot, and best "fit" with Russia's & Iran's usual practice. They knew about it, tried to get Assad to agree to a workable if not ideal compromise, and hung around long enough to say "we told you so".
Iran & Russia can wait to fight those battles on another day.
Posted by: Rain | Dec 8 2024 10:43 utc | 27
The same way US will create Idlib2.0 in Ukraine and will use it after 10 years preparation. They are patient and able to act long term.
Posted by: smartboy | Dec 8 2024 10:43 utc | 28
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The US is, therefore, as Mao said, a paper tiger. People are terrified of it 'cos they think that the US will use nukes, if push comes to shove, but it never will.
China and Russia need to lose the fear they have of the Americans. They can stand up to the US far more than they are doing at present. The US will quite simply never risk all out war with (e.g.) Russia, because the chances that it will go nuclear (and therefore end in the destruction of the US) are simply too high.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 10:11 utc | 9
This is the best MoA post of the current decade.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 10:16 utc | 14
Someone ought to remind these fools that the USA is to date the first and only country in the world to have used Nuclear Weapons.
Twice. On an enemy that was already defeated and for no military gain. It was intended as a signal to the USSR of its willingness to use them, even on civilians, as it in fact did.
The US subsequently used Napalm in Vietnam, and countless chemical weapons against Iran, though its proxy Iraq, and in Syria, though its terrorist proxies ISIS and Al Qaeda.
The US is the only country that regularly discusses the use of nuclear weapons, including against adversaries like Russia, who's arsenal is even greater and more deadly than theirs.
Russia has only recently demonstrated it has a weapon that, if proven definitively, could provide a scale of destruction close to a tactical nuke, but without its long lasting fallout effects.
A great deal of the USA's power projection is predicated on obsolete concepts like aircraft carriers, subsonic missiles (ie highly interceptable) and human manned aircraft, all vulnerable assets to peer militaries in an all out war.
For these and all the other reasons, the USA is by far the most likely actor to use nuclear weapons, all the more when one considers the quality (or lack of) and sense of invincibility of its leadership.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:46 utc | 29
From Middle East Spectator Telegram:
"Alawite Muslim Defence League, tied to some NDF units formerly affiliated with the Assad Government, calls for the Re-Establishment of the Alawite State"
Source: https://t.me/intelslava/70833?single
Posted by: NoName | Dec 8 2024 10:47 utc | 30
Russia “gets Ukraine” …
I don’t agree … not as long as NATO exists … Erdogan, Türkiye has its sights on Crimea … home of Tatars … has been promised S-35s from Biden. The US had threatened Baghdad if the Shia militants crossed the border into Syria … Deir Ez-zor
Russia “gets Ukraine” …
I don’t agree … not as long as NATO exists … Erdogan, Türkiye has its sights on Crimea … home of Tatars … has been promised S-35s from Biden. The US had threatened Baghdad if the Shia militants crossed the border into Syria … Deir Ez-zor
Baffling events. I don't see Russia surrendering its Mediterranean bases under any circumstances. Assad may have fled - understandably - but I don't see Iran and Russia giving this one up so easily. I think we're in for escalation BIG TIME. And Turkey may be the big loser if Iraq/Iran AND Russia throw support behind the Kurds. Turkey is a paid-up member of NATO so it will no doubt invoke Article 5 - mandatory support from other NATO members - but guess what? - the rest of NATO are all out of support thanks to non-member Ukraine! Boo Hoo - and that whole dealio hasn't been going too well anyway. So Turkey may be in for a sharp lesson in European loyalty. The Russian military have been itching for retaliation against Israel for years and this time Putin may not be able to say no - just too damaging to Russia - loss of face and loss of power base. Russia doesn't even need hypersonics fired from their Mediterranean fleet - Black Sea or even Caspian Sea platforms can probably reach Northern Syria. Iran's been threatening serious retribution for some time and it may come to the party, once things are in full swing. This is starting to look like THE BIG ONE!
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Dec 8 2024 10:53 utc | 34
That which can fall must fall.
That which can rise must rise.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 10:55 utc | 35
Thanks b)
Fog of war is heavy and deep over the Syrian geopolitical landscape.
We will all know over the coming the year what the true picture is telling us. Virtues of forbearance, perseverance, and the ability to wait is what is needed here.
Time will tell. The truth and what to expect moving forward will reveal itself.
Probably need to keep a very close eye on Iran.
Especially the new Iranian president Masoud Pezeshkian after the assassination of Ebrahim Raisi the old one. What's happened confirms Both Raisi and Qasem Soleimani were chess pieces being removed from the board.
You could just imagine Pezeshkian saying the exact same quote..
" The Iranian government is ready to “extend its hand” to the opposition and turn its functions over to a transitional government. "
"I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country, I will go to my office to continue work in the morning and I call on Syrian citizens not to deface public property. "
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 8 2024 10:55 utc | 36
A 'Taliban light' is really the best possible outcome at this stage. Taliban Afghanistan today is no paradise but is arguably an improvement over some 50 years of indiscriminate violence.
The large Syrian diaspora in my Dutch neck of the woods goes back to the 1950's and is mostly made up of Syrian orthodox Christians and Armenians. They are in contact with Syria and they are bracing for the worst.
The EU can not manage (or even survive?) another Syrian refugee crisis. Turkey is unlikely to house millions of additional Syrian refugees, even if the EU increases its bribe.
The Collective West wanted Assad ousted and by that metric it has won. But it could well be a Pyrrhic victory.
Posted by: Vincent Tayelrand | Dec 8 2024 10:57 utc | 37
I called it last week.
Russia just got its ass handed to it. They let Syria fall. They betrayed Syria by doing nothing while the *** air force was attriting Syria left and right in the previous years.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 8 2024 10:59 utc | 38
Now cue ZAnon coming up with all sorts of ridiculous cope. Russia lost its only warm water port in the Mediterranean, and its only airbase in the Middle East. That's a strategic defeat.
I am now 100% convinced they will cut a shitty deal in Ukraine.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 8 2024 11:00 utc | 39
@29 Oh gee whiz. OK since it seems that I have to spell everything out: The only reason that the US used nukes against Japan was because Japan did not have nukes and neither did anyone else, so there was no chance, whatsoever, of nuclear war spreading.
The US will never ever use nukes against another nuclear power . This is why I specifically mentioned China and Russia (and, in theory, DPRK).
You can think about this from first principles. What is the key purpose of the US State? To ensure the global primacy of, and therefore the continuance of, the US. Will the US continue to exist if 15, 20, 25 ICBMs, hydrogen bombs, take out Washington, New York, Seattle etc? Obviously not. Ergo it is not, and never will be in the US' interests to even take the risk of an 'all out' nuclear war.
Again, as I clearly said, this is different from the situation of China and Russia, both of which conceivably could face 'existential' invasions (e.g. Operation Barbarossa) which might totally obliterate (e.g.) Russia. For reasons of geography, it is simply impossible that this could be a situation that the US could find itself in, at least for the next 3/4 decades.
Ergo, the US will not use nuclear weapons, in any circumstances, ever, as long as the global political situation remains as it is. But China and Russia are obviously acting as if this was a possibility, and their actions are therefore 'self-constrained'. In fact they have far more lassitude than they think.
The US is a paper tiger.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 11:01 utc | 40
Should of been...
You could just imagine Pezeshkian saying the exact same quote..
" The Iranian government is ready to “extend its hand” to the opposition and turn its functions over to a transitional government. "
"I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country, I will go to my office to continue work in the morning and I call on Iranian citizens not to deface public property. "
Pezeshkian is a snake within a nest of western vipers. Everything he says from here on in needs to be scrutinised.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 8 2024 11:01 utc | 41
Did Assad publicly appear the last few days? Is it possible Assad was ”pagered” and, without contingency plans, Russia, Iran, and maybe even Turkey found themselves unable to do anything other than publicly say nice words? Could this explain why erdogan spoke curious statements such as “Our wish is that this march in Syria continues without accidents or disasters”?
Posted by: I forgot | Dec 8 2024 11:01 utc | 42
Hopefully the Russians will now realise that the whole of Syria and Turkey can now be thrown against Russian in the same manner Ukraine was. That will cost more Russian lives in the long run. Russia would have been better off allowing Assad to respond to Israeli aggression, why did Russia save Syria in the first place if they didn't want Syria to respond to Israeli aggression.
Posted by: gT | Dec 8 2024 11:04 utc | 43
The best and most stable solution for Syria should be similar to colonialist project in Saudi Arabia. Foreign masters should choose some chief of some tribe of one of countless Islam branches and make him a "king". Medieval form of government is most suitable for arab mentality. Headchoppite Kingdom of Syria would be the best form of western protectorate.
Posted by: smartboy | Dec 8 2024 11:09 utc | 44
@25 Yes precisely, this was the whole idea of the Eastern Bloc: to create an economic area that was self-sufficient and through which the West could not exert its 'influence' while at the same time building up a huge number of nuclear weapons (on ICBMS, all pointing at US cities), which are, to repeat, the only thing the US is frightened of.
Iran, Lebanon and Syria were and are far too 'plugged into' the US created and led global capitalist system which means the the US/Israel can exert a huge amount of indirect power via sanctions, propaganda, spies and saboteurs etc. Only China can really afford to allow this to happen because China is so huge, and technically advanced (e.g. the so-called 'Great Firewall of China'). But smaller countries like Iran and Syria simply cannot. They just get eaten up by the US Empire.
It's vitally important for Iran to get nukes as soon as possible, and demonstrate that it is not afraid to use them. Also the leaders of Iran need to wise up about what the US is and must be. The US is an Empire, no 'ifs' 'ands' or 'buts'. It is not a democracy in any shape or form, and as petrol/gasoline driven Empire it is not and cannot be 'friendly' to any oil producing country like Libya, Syria, Iran (or Russia for that matter). Either these countries bend the knee and accept US control, or they will be dealt with...sooner or later. The US cannot and will not accept that a country like Iran is the equal to the US...ever.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 11:10 utc | 45
Someone ought to remind these fools that the USA is to date the first and only country in the world to have used Nuclear Weapons.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:46 utc | 29
That was against an enemy who didn't have them, shit-for-brains.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:11 utc | 46
Russia just got its ass handed to it. They let Syria fall. They betrayed Syria by doing nothing while the *** air force was attriting Syria left and right in the previous years.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 8 2024 10:59 utc | 38
This is 100% correct. What happened to the Russian S-400 systems in Syria? Did they even fire once? https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russians-evacuate-s-400-and-tor-from-hmeymim-base/
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:15 utc | 47
Following my post on the Craig Murray thread, which I will not repeat here, I just want to point out the very bitter irony -
The US/Israel and their gang partners, can continue to say what they have always been saying - regime change in Syria to establish democracy, the dictator has finally been washed away for the good of the people and the ME.
Whatever Iran, Russia and others nominally working for a better, more equal and just world order may say about the handing over of Syria to - whom? - their words will have no meaning, no gravity, no relevance. Not really, even if their words will be heard.
Maneuvering clad in august words is not the same as honesty and true commitment to what is right, in the short term and in the long term.
They are now dead silent, trying to come up with some kind of a reaction. No doubt, the usual blame game.
On another note - not for a minute do I believe in what PEscobar's source told him. Neither will Russia be "given' free rein in Ukraine, nor will Russia ever abandon its interests and rivalry in the ME, where along sidethe US, it created Israel.
Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 11:19 utc | 48
I believe that Russia, Iran, China gave up Assad as Turkey is more important to them economically, geographically than Syria or Hezbollah. So a deal was made.
Let the West have Syria as a problem , not theirs.
@Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:02 utc | 6
I suggest barlflies with a few minutes to spare exercise their civic duty and remind the FBI about the 10 Million bounty they have on Al Julani, the leader of HTS who is almost certainly now in Damascus:
Are you sure you have the correct link? That looks like the "Employee of the Month" page.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 8 2024 11:23 utc | 50
This is being blamed on Assad for being obstinate in refusing talks with Erdowan, which supposedly could have avoided the destruction of Syria, but it is not the case that negotiation with Erdowan would have avoided this. As Kevork Almassian explains on "The Gaggle"and talk show, to have accepted negotiations with Erdowan, Assad had to accept the precondition that Syria must immediately accept the refugees in Turkey back into Syria. Assad told Erdowan that what was first needed to be negotiated was that Turkiye support an effort to gain agreement from US to return land of Idlib province or Golan Heights, because Syria would need a place to put the refugees. Otherwise he foresaw the further, unsupportable destabilization of Syria, which, having had it's oil and wheat stolen for years by US, and the country also having been prevented from rebuilding without a centavo from Turkey or Russia who yet insisted Assad make the deal in the form Turkey wished to impose, as I said --immediately receiving 1000's of refugees with no place or provision for them. Which Syria could not handle under circumstances and would destabilize it from the start. He had good reason to reject this 'deal.'
So, the US sanctions and destruction of the Syrian economy weakening the country to the extent it could not militarily resist the invading terrorists was the US plan. Turkiye, Russia and Iran would have known this. It's certainly likely Russia was also at fault for not setting up adequate air defense in Syria, allowing it to be subjected to years of bombing weakening it more.
"Someone ought to remind these fools that the USA is to date the first and only country in the world to have used Nuclear Weapons."
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:46 utc | 29
"That was against an enemy who didn't have them, shit-for-brains."
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:11 utc | 46
God, you are an uncouth interlocutor; Rubiconned was right, you are nothing but a ignorant narcissist.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 8 2024 10:30 utc | 22
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Probably elements of kurds, druze, and elements of 'sdf' for lack of a better catch all, basically the groups both Russia and Iran had at various times interacted with and tried over the year to broker reconciliation talks with in the past to largely no avail (sides were equally obstinate imho) is who I assumed it was referring too, as well as potentially Erdogan as well. The statements in Doha specifically called out HTS/al-nusra as bad guys, so one would think weren't referring to them.
But really the statements yesterday out of Doha, reading between the lines, all but pulled the plug on the Assad led government in Syria. They knew Assad wouldn't suddenly start negotiating, it seemed more like a call to others in Syrian government, which we're already seeing reports of now regarding the Syrian PM, to attempt it, once Assad left the chair.
Posted by: knighthawk | Dec 8 2024 11:24 utc | 53
The bottom line. The assholes won. They have their wonderful Jihadi paradise in Syria. We haven't won. The Nazi cunts of Big Z are still in Kursk. Nobody seems willing to bomb the Nazi stronghold of Lviv to kingdom come.
Nuke Portland.
I'm sorry, I'm angry. I should probably not be this blunt.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:24 utc | 54
God, you are an uncouth interlocutor; Rubiconned was right, you are nothing but a ignorant narcissist.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 8 2024 11:23 utc | 52
I'm an ignorant narcissist who has you beat by two+ standard deviations on the IQ scale, moron.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:25 utc | 55
"Pezeshkian is a snake within a nest of western vipers. Everything he says from here on in needs to be scrutinized."
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 8 2024 11:01 utc | 41
I find your posts extremely helpful.
Your posts are quite conveniently contrarian-whatever your idea, the opposite is true.
Hence, I now have much more respect for Pezeshkian thanks to you.
God, you are an uncouth interlocutor; Rubiconned was right, you are nothing but a ignorant narcissist.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 8 2024 11:23 utc | 52
"I'm an ignorant narcissist who has you beat by two+ standard deviations on the IQ scale, moron.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:25 utc | 55
Thank you for fully confirming my assessment of your personality.
Too many people expect Russia to wave a wand and fix everything. Russia can't do this by themselves.
Why on earth people think Russia should sacrifice even more Russians, on the back of leaders who would stab them in the back in a heartbeat, is quite puzzling.
Russia know and what they are dealing with here. They have dealt with these people as partners, for long enough to know what to expect.
What's interesting is while all of this was going on Putin prioritised Belarus over Syria. To inform Lukashenko what was happening and to sign a security treaty.
China, Iran, Belarus and North Korea is now the main axis of resistance. What roles they will now play will become clear over time as Russia can't fix things by itself.
This will harm BRICS to some extent as those countries who were deciding which way to jump now might think twice. That depends on what happens next. Virtues of forbearance, perseverance, and the ability to wait is what is needed here.
Time will tell. The truth and what to expect moving forward will reveal itself.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 8 2024 11:35 utc | 58
Russia's greatest mistake was destroying Libya
- Russia's greatest mistake was voting for UN Security Council Resolution 1970 on February 26, 2011, freezing all of Libya's foreign assets.
- Russia's second greatest mistake was allowing UN Security Council Resolution 1973 to pass on March 17, 2011, approving NATO's war on Libya.
Six months later, Libya's terrorist stated moving to Syria.
13 years later, Russia lost to the same terrorist in Syria, with all of its foreign assets frozen.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 8 2024 11:36 utc | 59
Imagine anyone believing Hamas wasn't an Israeli catspaw in order to unleash Ukraine 2.0 on the Middle East but with warp speed success in the destruction of three states, while Russia insists upon playing an 18th century gentlemen's game of war because the invadees are European Caucasian. I sympathize with the sentiment, it's just a shame that the people of the Middle East aren't accorded similar considerations by the US and Israel.
Posted by: Ludovic | Dec 8 2024 11:38 utc | 60
Thank you for fully confirming my assessment of your personality.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 8 2024 11:32 utc | 57
Yes. Run.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:39 utc | 61
seems to be very many Syrian refugees returning "home". How are these and terrorists going to create an economy, businesses agriculture?Will USA give them the north east directly oil and wheat or leave as is via Turkey is Erdo going to be a continuing sponsor?Rember Turkey has already stolen so much infrastructure machinary etc from that region.Kurds have a finger in the pie or have any say or intentions what is their position potential relationships?
Are the terrorists going to reclaim the Golan Heights? Is IDF still attacking Syria or will take advantage or make a deal...is Lebanon still next or it is sufficient for it to be nullified??
Posted by: Jo | Dec 8 2024 11:43 utc | 62
@58 Because Ukraine shares a border with Russia. Because Belarus shares a border with Russia. Russia is not an imperialist power. It's a Great Power, but not an imperialist power. What do Great Powers do, what must they do?
Safeguard their borders, above all. So Ukraine gets help, and Belarus gets help but, at the end of the day, Syria doesn't share a border with Russia so....well at the end of the day....Syria is on its own.
Please remember the basic fact about Russia: it's not an ideological power (China is, and Syria was, but Russia isn't). Putin at the end of the day is a straightforward neoliberal and neoconservative. He voted for the end of Afghanistan, for the end of Iraq, for the end of Libya (as @59 notes). His only problem with the American Empire is that the Americans persistently refuse to accept that Russia is a Great Power, and consistently act as if Russia is a power of the 2nd rank ('a gas station with nukes' as Obama said). Putin is a proud man, and resents this. Hence the current world situation.
Putin is not interested in building an Empire or on fighting for Russian power throughout the world. Putin is simply (in Ukraine, in Belarus) safeguarding his borders against foreign infiltration and the possibility of foreign attack. That's all.
Syria doesn't really affect that, so, at the end of the day, Syria was surplus to requirements.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 11:46 utc | 63
Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 10:30 utc | 21
God you're stupid. Put down the meth pipe.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 8 2024 11:47 utc | 64
@ The US is a paper tiger.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 11:01 utc | 40
Nuclear debate aside, I think we have definitively seen the overmatch the USA has on China and Russia play out in Syria, actually.
1- Financial power. Neither China or Russia have the US Dollar. Sanctions can hurt both buyer and seller, yes, but the effects of being sanctioned by far hurt more the country being sanctioned. Look at Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and of course, Syria, and how easily its own generals flipped on the promise of some cash. Either as carrot or stick, the US control of the financial levers of the world gives it unparalleled power.
2- Network of Allies. No Match. NATO, Aukus et alii. CSTO?? If the US is a paper tiger, then CSTO is a sad joke. Just ask Armenia. And now Syria. Global South was watching. Who is ever gonna stand up to the USA and think they can rely on BRICS to support them financially and militarily ever again?
3- Network of Proxies. No Match. No Mexicans or Canadians willing to die for China or Russia so far. Same in Europe, Japan, S. Korea, Australia and so on. China and Russia are surrounded by hostile states and non-state actors, in Iran's case they operate within its borders and perhaps even Gov't now.
3- Network of Bases. No Match. The US can conduct significant military operations and deployments across every continent it likes. Do you think if China or Russia could have sent troops to Syria they wouldn't have before this sh1t show played out?
4- Network of Legacy and New Media. No Match. They are the best at propaganda and own all media and social media aside from Tik Tok, which will soon be banned in the West anyway precisely because they can't control it as they like.
5- Unmatched Intelligence. Satellites and 5 Eyes. No Match. Look at the pager attack for how deep they can get at you at the Intel level. Nordstream blown up, Iran's own PM was murdered, both covert ops, and no one can even dare admit it, such is the embarrassment and humiliation it would require. 'And what are you gonna do about it' is the clearly implied threat.
6- Color Revolutions and NGO networks. No Match. So what if for every 5 attempts 4 fail? Russia and China have proven incapable of exerting the same influence even in their own backyards compared to the USA. Syria's fall will now embolden further efforts in Venezuela and Iran to revert past failures.
I wish it were not so, but, Paper Tiger my a$$.
That is not to say it will remain so forever, of course, but anyone who can't see the obvious is just coping too hard and living in fairyland.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 11:49 utc | 65
51 Lavieja. I meant in post 51: Assad did not have the land or resources to accept the immediate return of the refugees from Turkiye without destabilizing Syria; this return of refugees Erdowan had established as a prerequisite to talks between Assad and Erdowan. The fault for the so-far successful invasion of Syria by the terrorists jihadists lies first with the US for the planned impoverishment and weakening of all aspects of Syrian society including military. Then, why had not Russia setup in Syria an adequate air-defense system?
His only problem with the American Empire is that the Americans persistently refuse to accept that Russia is a Great Power, and consistently act as if Russia is a power of the 2nd rank ('a gas station with nukes' as Obama said).
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 11:46 utc | 63
That wasn't Obama, it was McCain. Disappointed by your lack of education.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:52 utc | 67
It appears i can't count to 7, but the arguments still stand :)
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 11:54 utc | 68
Some idle thoughts through the fog:
There was never a deal Assad had no way out, that’s how the west now works, for over a decade he was put between the hammer and the anvil, which is not a choice just surrender, if you are Russia or China you can resist the hammer blows, smaller nations can’t.
Russia has just been pushed out of the Mediterranean for maybe this century, its Black Sea fleet will now be reduced to a Black Sea coast guard, doesn’t even matter if the Bosphorus reopens, there’s no where for Russia to go unless it’s kindly invited for naval parades in KSA or Egypt.
Iran is in mortal trouble, the 1979 revolution is in the balance, so not just the mullahs but the nation, but whatever moderates there are offered it’s a pretext to dismember the country, same as Minsk I&II and same comprehensive salt the earth strategy. During the Cold War the USA tried to nation build, make friends, tolerate frenemies and neutrality, ie soft power, that was then, it is not competing ideologically with Russia and China anymore and it sees soft power as a waste of effort, time and money. The semblance of soft power, the tricks, however remain.
It goes Gaza -> Lebanon -> Syria -> Iran -> Russia -> China, it’s clear now that the attack on Lebanon and Syria was a pincer on Iran. Hollow Trump will climb onboard the winning strategy, Musk, the Happy Face of the military industrial security complex follows him everywhere, even to Notre Dame ceremony, maybe to the toilet. Musk has either signed on as Trump’s cabin boy or he’s Trump’s CIA’s handler, I think the later.
Worst is yet to come, it's a salt the earth strategy like Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, chaos is just another form of control, if you can handle the blowback, the British Empire and US Empire have been handling the blowback for 300ys, no big deal, fucking up is the prerogative of Empire, same reason it’s nice to have unlimited wealth and why aristocrats protect their position generationally with boundless subterfuge and brutality. Hunter Biden is the latest example of the prerogatives of the elites. We in the peanut gallery worry about consequences or cheer for comeuppance but the Empire couldn’t care less, not because it’s brilliant, but just the opposite. The elites will always realign and survive.
HTS emptied out all the jails, political prisoners aren’t mixed in with regular criminals, it only awakens and radicalizes the regular criminals, the freed prisoners with nothing but the dirty prison uniform on their backs will be offer a cash in hand signing bonus and a good paycheck and future in the CIA jihadi army, the new Syrian state army. The Tony Montana dream from street hood to lord of your own criminal enterprise. Chaos in Syria is guaranteed.
Since 2001 maybe earlier the USA has had plans create a second Israel in the ME, a dependency and staunch ally, Kurdistan, a military state to project power into the Caspian, and Caspian oil. That's a real possibility now, not sure where Erdogan stands with that, win a hand, lose a hand, important thing is to stay in the game, another reason the chaos will increase.
If Assad is alive and in Russia, hope he bought some warm clothes.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 11:54 utc | 69
One positive note in all of this:
The Syrian people are about to find out exactly why Assad was the best of all options and exactly why lying down supine while the CIA, mossad and Turkish intelligence live-dismember your country is not the most constructive use of one's time.
They will now repeat the same cycle of events which put Hafez Al Assad into power.
They will repeat the cycle until they understand it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 11:55 utc | 70
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:46 utc | 29
All due respect but you are missing the real weaponry advantage of the JewSA. $$$$$$$
Human capital aka meat. Easily bribed and almost as easy to train and arm. Look around.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 8 2024 11:55 utc | 71
The bottom line. The assholes won. They have their wonderful Jihadi paradise in Syria. We haven't won. The Nazi cunts of Big Z are still in Kursk. Nobody seems willing to bomb the Nazi stronghold of Lviv to kingdom come.
Nuke Portland.
I'm sorry, I'm angry. I should probably not be this blunt.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:24 utc | 54
You are an idiot. Doesn't matter what your IQ is. Did you know that low-IQ people generally overestimate their intelligence? That certainly applies to you.
The US and its Jihadi and Israeli allies attacked Syria for 13 years running. They occupied valuable parts of that country, and like the cancer they are, they gained ground.
The hot war in Ukraine started a couple of years later. The US still looks for ways to occupy at least parts of it. That war will not run as long as the one in Syria - and it won't end in favor of the US. Without the nukes you are begging for. Leave nuking places to the US.
Posted by: Martina | Dec 8 2024 11:56 utc | 72
@65
You are deliberately misunderstanding my point. I am not saying the American Empire is weak: on the contrary, I am saying it is extremely strong, especially in propaganda. My point is that China and Russia act as if they are afraid of the US and my inference is that they are afraid of the US because the US has nukes. But as I argued, the US will never, ever use these nukes against another nuclear power: EVER. So China and Russia and some other states have much more freedom to push back against the US Empire than they think. If push comes to shove, the US will back down.
US soft power and financial power is as important and arguably more important than its military power. Russia and China need to stop acting as if this power will somehow just 'go away'. It won't. Empires generally speaking don't fall because of internal pressures, they are brought down by external pressures, usually military.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 11:56 utc | 73
RT has sometimes really really good interviews which are hard to find on its homepage, thereafter. This morning, they interviewed a US army officer, one who was very critical about the empire. Here is what I remember him as saying:
(1) Syrian generals have been bought off with CIA money.
(2) HTS is currently trying to come across as friendly toward civilians. Yet they are soon going to reveal themselves as the radicals that they are on all issues of religion, and give minorities (such as Alawites, or Christians, or other minorities which are quite numerous in Syria) a hard time. Expect results to be no better than in Libya or Iraq, which have seen better days but are now failed states - which is typical of what the the USA leaves behind.
(3) With Assad removed from the chessboard, countries like Lebanon and Jordan will, most likely, cease to exist, giving Israel and the US plenty of room to rearrange the ME according to their wishes, and implement their plans for a greater Israel.
Posted by: grunzt | Dec 8 2024 11:57 utc | 74
Posted by: canuck | Dec 8 2024 11:29 utc | 56
I don't care what you think about me Canuck. You have proven yourself to be a complete fool on the non Ukraine and Middle East threads. Just Like every other gold bug before you, you are irrelevant. The world has passed you by.
All you are good at is attacking other posters ( daily). Not a very nice trait to have. You are Somebody who has convinced themselves of so much self importance they can hand out daily awards. Or as we say in Scotland, not right in the head.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 8 2024 11:59 utc | 75
For now. China as ever is completely missing. Perhaps an argument could be made that China is is to some degree a Paper tiger?Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Dec 8 2024 10:02 utc | 7
China probably don't see Syria as a core interest to them. It would be for Iran and Russia.
Posted by: Ian2 | Dec 8 2024 12:00 utc | 76
One more thought, a big part of the two decades relentless attack on Syria was to bring Gulf State gas up into Europe, if you don’t know check the map, it can only go through Syria (or Iran) not for the gas itself but to isolate Russia, the thinking being leave the gas station with nukes just with nukes, that is, going nowhere except to self destruction.
At least concerning revenue Russia has resolved this with its own pivot to Asia. My guess is that this new reality of gas pipelines from the Gulf States to Europe through Syria will be a top priority and underway immediately. Any hopes and vestiges of Russia retuning to the gas market in Europe is forever done with. I expect Russia to walk and don’t look back, to shut down completely their gas sales to Europe, they’ve kept that door open till now, offered up that carrot, or that wedge into USA-EU politics. No going back to Europe for Russia, if they keep selling gas to Europe, even to honor contracts, I’m going to go bang my head against the wall.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 12:00 utc | 77
Ukraine could end up like Syria. Maybe it's time to
start listening to Igor Girkin.
Posted by: Condorpuma | Dec 8 2024 12:01 utc | 78
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2024 11:54 utc | 69
All you say is true. It was foreseeable a decade ago.
The question is, what were Iran, Russia, China thinking?
They must have foreseen all this so why did they allow this to unfold?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 12:01 utc | 79
IDF Welcome Committee for Its New Neighbors
… the IDF intervened with artillery shelling to repel gunmen who tried to attack an UNDOF post near the Syrian village of Hader, close to the border. Rebel forces announced they had taken the border regions of Quneitra and Daraa earlier in the day.Also on Sunday morning, the IDF’s 98th Division with the Paratroopers and Commando brigades was dispatched to the Golan Heights, bolstering its already shored-up forces in the area.
Of course old neighbors known as Jabhat al-Nusra … very helpful.
seems to be very many Syrian refugees returning "home".
Posted by: Jo | Dec 8 2024 11:43 utc | 62
Please, say it is so. Us Swedes have grown very tired of breastfeeding them and ignoring their gang rapes and their humiliation robberies of our youth. You could think this is nothing but a racist slur, but ask any worker in this country. Of course, most people here don't know any workers.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 12:01 utc | 81
I suggest barlflies with a few minutes to spare exercise their civic duty and remind the FBI about the 10 Million bounty they have on Al Julani, the leader of HTS who is almost certainly now in Damascus:
https://rewardsforjustice.net/
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 10:02 utc | 6
More effective would be to remind rank and file Americans on social media, than a government employees almost certainly complicit in this coup.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 12:02 utc | 82
You are an idiot. Doesn't matter what your IQ is. Did you know that low-IQ people generally overestimate their intelligence? That certainly applies to you.
Posted by: Martina | Dec 8 2024 11:56 utc | 72
The problem with your reasoning is that I have had to be subjected to IQ testing three times and I didn't like it any of those times. Do you know what the definition of an idiot is? I wouldn't even be able to answer you if I was one.
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 12:04 utc | 83
Alexander Mercouris and a few posters above fault Assad for not meeting with Erdogan. I typically find Mercouris insightful, but on this…. I can see such a meeting giving Assad cover by being able to say, “At least I tried,” but Assad was dealing with an occupying power and a leader who is at least as duplicitous as Netanyahu and capable of breaking any agreement reached in a moment, on a whim, like any and all recent US administrations. So I see no functional benefit for Assad to have met with Erdogan, except for perhaps virtue signaling: “I am the reasonable one.”
Posted by: Joseph Dillard | Dec 8 2024 12:04 utc | 84
@ Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 8 2024 11:55 utc | 71
Indeed, a point i extensively elaborated on here:
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 11:49 utc | 65
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 12:05 utc | 85
The fall of Syria bodes ill for the world. The dark vision of the Jewish-American-English-Wahhabi axis is casting its ugly shadow on the region. Intolerance, hate, war and ethnic cleansing are its offspring. They destroyed all secularists in the Middle East to pave the way for religious extremists. The followers of this cult need to foment those sorts of conditions for certain self-made prophecies to come about, to appease certain gods of war and death. And they will keep going, and going and going. Until they meet REAL resistance. Not half baked resistance. They will not sleep well until Palestine is wiped out. Once that is done, it will not satiate their appetites. They will remain unhappy, a hole in their souls will never be filled with love or light. It is a black hole. They will turn on someone else to pulverize. Zionism's flag is two blue stripes with the entity in between - the Nile river and Euphrates river. From the river to the river, the Jews will kill, oppress and steal everything in sight. That is Zionism in a nutshell - land theft, murder and plunder. It is why the British created Israel - to remain wedded to the Sykes Picot. Its why world wars happen. Certain supremacist ideologies have no self check mechanism, they spin out of control. Like a cancer, they cannot stop on their own. Someone else's military has to intervene. But now we have enough power to destroy mankind within minutes. And the ideology behind the 4th Reich is even worse than Nazism. May you and your family be blessed, spend as much time with them as you can. Every man now stands for this evil, or they stand against it. The middle ground is thinning.
Posted by: USSA Empire Of Lies | Dec 8 2024 12:06 utc | 86
People were quite surprised at how fast the Iraqi army folded, too. Eventually, it turned out that a good part of the top officers had been bought of. I expect the same here - and if Iran and Russia got word of it, it explains both why they pushed Assad to compromise and didn't want to get involved.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 8 2024 12:07 utc | 87
Are the terrorists going to reclaim the Golan Heights? Is IDF still attacking Syria or will take advantage or make a deal...is Lebanon still next or it is sufficient for it to be nullified??
Posted by: Jo | Dec 8 2024 11:43 utc | 62
Are China, Russia, India going to start trading with this New Syrian 'state'?
Will it be integrated into the BRI?
Who will its resources be sold to?
I wonder if the BRICS countries thought this through before giving up the ghost on Assad ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 8 2024 12:07 utc | 88
everything happens like traitor Putin wants to haver it.. he gave 8 years to Ukraine to build a strong army and the same happened at Idlib, where he allowed the islamic hords to become strong again..
but it is clear now - the next one will be Russia, a failed state not able to use its weapons to win against Ukraine within 2 or 3 days by using nuclear weapons..
Posted by: joe911 | Dec 8 2024 12:09 utc | 89
Repost: A lot of events in recent past now need a thorough review, one of them being MofA's Mediated By China Iran And Saudi Arabia Restore Ties - There Are Winners And Losers from March 10, 2023.
Regional rivals Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to restore ties after years of tensions
The deal, which will see the two countries reopen embassies in each other’s capitals, was sealed during a meeting in China and announced Friday in a joint communique.Archrivals Iran and Saudi Arabia agreed Friday to restore diplomatic relations, a dramatic breakthrough brokered by China after years of soaring tensions between the regional rivals.
This deal must have had some importance. Iran has had a breakthrough in its relations with Russia and China.
Posted by: js | Dec 8 2024 12:09 utc | 90
@ grunzt | Dec 8 2024 11:57 utc | 74
The Kingdom of Jordan is a protectorate of the U.S.-UK empire … hands off … see the failed coup d’état in April 2021 … conspiracy UAE-KSA-Israel … has a US AFB.
I hate to do this, but here goes. b, are you reading this? There is a fella called aristodemos on this forum, who has time on his hands and has taken it upon himself to write posts with personal insults to everyone who is below his own level. As these things tend to go, this happens to be the entire bar. Thanks if you could look into it; there have been about a hundred now so it doesn't seem like he'll get bored with what he's doing anytime soon.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 12:09 utc | 92
Putin has abandoned the most loyal ally in the Middle East in recent decades...As I have written so many times on MOA, I was always more than skeptical about Putin, now I am sure: he is a traitor, a Trojan horse ...He will also betray the people of the Russian Federation and Ukraine...The ONLY hope now is the Chinese People's Republic...
Posted by: Larsbo | Dec 8 2024 12:10 utc | 93
The speed may be explained if the principles, US$ and Russia cut a deal. Tragedy. As Ron Paul said, evil is ascendent in the world at this time.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Dec 8 2024 12:10 utc | 94
@ Empires generally speaking don't fall because of internal pressures, they are brought down by external pressures, usually military.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 11:56 utc | 73
No, empires fall due to their inability to face external pressures as a result of their internal failures, weaknesses or contradictions.
China and Russia fear the USA is perfectly justified. I suggest you look at each point i made and consider its practical implication more carefully. Your assumption they only fear nuclear retaliation is flawed.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 12:12 utc | 95
Alexander Mercouris and a few posters above fault Assad for not meeting with Erdogan. I typically find Mercouris insightful, but on this…. I can see such a meeting giving Assad cover by being able to say, “At least I tried,” but Assad was dealing with an occupying power and a leader who is at least as duplicitous as Netanyahu and capable of breaking any agreement reached in a moment, on a whim, like any and all recent US administrations. So I see no functional benefit for Assad to have met with Erdogan, except for perhaps virtue signaling: “I am the reasonable one.”
Posted by: Joseph Dillard | Dec 8 2024 12:04 utc | 84
Agreed on all counts except finding Mercouris "insightful."
Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 12:12 utc | 96
Don't use up all your tears on Syria. Save some for Odessa. That should be the next sell out.
Thanks goodness the Resistance is winning this fight in theory. Thank goodness they have superior weapons and America's economy is about to collapse. If we didn't have all these continuous internet victories then we'd have nothing to get excited about.
Should be an interesting week to see how all the online experts explain how wrong they've been or spin it into how right they are again. The Judge and Nima might want to consider finding new pundits to interview. "Hizbollah has beaten Israel again" sounds much like "Ukraine is beating Russia".
One question: if Russia only cares about Russia and if China only cares about China then what future can BRICs have? The USA may be a malevolent force but at least the American government cares about what happens everywhere(outside the 50 states).
5 will get you 10 the side that is afraid to fight loses. The insanity of Washington and Israel looks a better bet than the rational caution of Russia and Iran.
Posted by: EoinW | Dec 8 2024 12:14 utc | 97
The last attempt to get Russia to divert its attention from Ukraine.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 8 2024 9:41 utc | 1
Ukraine was the diversion from Russian involvement in Syria and the Middle East.
Putin correctly saw Western intrigues in Ukraine as an existential threat to the Russian heartland, and Syria as disposable in return for western abandonment of Ukraine NATO membership and armament and removal of sanctions.
By threatening the Russian heartland the Zionists removed a threat to THEIR heartland of Eretz Israel.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 12:14 utc | 98
Alexander Mercouris and a few posters above fault Assad for not meeting with Erdogan. I typically find Mercouris insightful, but on this…. I can see such a meeting giving Assad cover by being able to say, “At least I tried,” but Assad was dealing with an occupying power and a leader who is at least as duplicitous as Netanyahu and capable of breaking any agreement reached in a moment, on a whim, like any and all recent US administrations. So I see no functional benefit for Assad to have met with Erdogan, except for perhaps virtue signaling: “I am the reasonable one.”Posted by: Joseph Dillard | Dec 8 2024 12:04 utc | 84
Faulting Assad for not meeting with Erdogan is really the dumbest, most lowlife cope ever. You've got all those Z-Anon 5D chessmasters explaining us day and night that the West can't be trusted, that the US Empire is agreement-incapable.
And they they come and tell us "the problem with Assad is that he didn't try to negotiate with the same snakes we spend our lifes explaining in our stupid youtube podcasts how they're unable to hold any promise".
Turkey has been caught red-handed in double-dealing countless times. Have you all forgotten the shootdown and murder of Russian pilots in 2015 ? Have you forgotten when Israel shot down a cargo plane, killing 20+ Russian servicemen in the process ? Given Z-bots specialize in having the memory of a goldfish, it's likely you have, indeed. But I remember.
I just would like to once again pile up some shit on the Russian foreign ministry and its dumbfucking stupid figurehead, M. Lavrov. What a pathetic ass. This guy is just an embarrassment to Russia.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 8 2024 12:16 utc | 99
Nothing new just the speed of the implosion happening. In the 80ies there was already the Yinoh plan (an Israeli military strategist) for the balkanization of West Asia to the benefit of Greater Israel. Pentagon thinktanks took it over in the early 2000. An arch of instability from Libanon to Iran, mostly chia, minorities (yezidi, mandeans, assyrian christians) with Israël as a super fortress. Blaming Russia, Iran.. is not to the point. It is islam that has to get its act together, otherwise they will continue to be played as they have been for 2-3 centuries. Turkey now wins provisionally, KSA, Egypt and Jordan now stay out of the fray but are the next candidates for balkanization...
Posted by: Teraspol | Dec 8 2024 12:17 utc | 100
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The last attempt to get Russia to divert its attention from Ukraine.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 8 2024 9:41 utc | 1