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December 4, 2024
South Korea – Majority Wins As President’s Putsch Fails

The attempted coup by the president of South Korea against the majority in the National Assembly has failed.

The quick reaction of the leadership of the Democratic Party, which holds the majority, has saved the day.

There was a struggle over the budget which the president's minority government had lost.

In a furious reaction President Yoon Suk Yeol and his defense minister and school buddy Kim Yong-hyun decided to declare martial law. Remarkably the prime minister of the president's government was not informed about the step:

Prime Minister Han Duck-soo was completely unaware of President Yoon Suk Yeol's martial law declaration. This was because Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, a former upperclassman of President Yoon in high school, bypassed the prime minister and communicated directly with the president.

Additionally, elite military units, specifically the 1st Airborne Special Forces Brigade, were deployed to the National Assembly, signaling an aggressive move to suppress political opposition.

A source said, "This martial law action appears orchestrated by the 'Chungam faction,' with (Defense) Minister Kim directly coordinating with President Yoon." The "Chungam faction" refers to those who graduated from Chungam High School in Seoul.

Following the president's emergency briefing and martial law declaration, the military established the Martial Law Command within the Ministry of National Defense compound, appointing Army Chief of Staff Park An-su as the commander.

Diplomatic sources noted that despite the defense minister's recommendation for martial law, no cabinet meeting was convened, leaving the prime minister and his staff uninformed.

Opposition parties suspect that direct communication channels between the military and police were activated during the martial law declaration process.

They believe that the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency was engaged directly, bypassing the National Police Agency, to control access to the National Assembly.

Under martial law the National Assembly was to be suspended. Strikes were declared illegal and the media would come under censorship.

But immediately after the president announced martial law the leader of the Democratic Party in the National Assembly called for a meeting in the parliament.

At the same time the military and police were sent to block any assembly member from entering the National Assembly.

The parliamentarians won the race.

Just 150 minutes after the presidential announcement 191 of the 300 members of the National Assembly voted to immediately end the martial law status. Troops and police entered the parliament but the vote against martial law had already taken place.

Unions announced to go on strike and people came out into the street to protest the president's step. Yoon's senior aids offered to resign en masse. There was no sensible way left for him but to concede:

President Yoon Suk Yeol announced the lifting of emergency martial law early Wednesday, as the National Assembly voted to call for its end with the United States expressing "grave concern" over the hourslong saga.

His Cabinet approved a motion to end martial law enforcement at 4:30 a.m., around six hours after he made the surprise emergency declaration, accusing the nation's opposition of "paralyzing" the government with "anti-state" activities — a decision that caused concerns across the country and beyond.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff said that troops, who were mobilized to execute martial law, have returned to base in a move that restored a sense of normalcy.

The opposition, with holds a majority in the National Assembly, has launched an impeachment procedures against the president. The National Assembly will have three days to vote on it. The Democratic Party will need nine additional votes from the president's People Power Party to gain the necessary two-third majority to pass the impeachment.

Several groups within the People Power Party were already positioned against the president. This makes it likely that the impeachment will pass.

The U.S. received some egg on its face. It seemed ready to side with the putsch and did not issue a word against it.

Laura Rozen @lrozen – 17:59 UTC · Dec 3, 2024

Biden admin Asia hand, Deputy Sec State Kurt Campbell, at event earlier today:

“So we are watching the recent developments in the ROK with grave concern. We’re seeking to engage our ROK counterparts at every level both here and in Seoul. The President, the National Security Advisor, the Secretary of State have all been briefed on developments and are being kept appraised of the situation as it unfolds.

I do want to underscore that our alliance with the ROK is ironclad, and we stand by Korea in their time of uncertainty. I also want to just underscore that we have every hope and expectation that any political disputes will be resolved peacefully and in accordance with the rule of law. We’ll have more to say as the situation develops.”

As the putsch was ongoing the U.S. embassy in South Korea said nothing about the rule of law or democracy.

It is notable that the U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, Philip Goldberg, had previously been kicked out of Bolivia and the Philippines for attempts to overthrow the respective sitting governments. He is supposed to leave South Korea in January.

It is likely that Goldberg, and Washington DC, was informed about Yoon's martial law plans but did not attempt to prevent them.

Comments

Looks like we’ve (they’ve) set a new off-topic record in the first hundred comments.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 4 2024 21:26 utc | 101

Don Bacon @ 101
You miss the point its all closely conect.
Join the dots.
It’s all very very much on topic.
The rise of the Third Reich.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 4 2024 21:31 utc | 102

Yoon, Macron, Stramer and almost all Western elites all have one thing in common. Greed.
Possibly other vices too. These cretins have no qualms in carrying out unspeakable acts.
Great comment by keme @ 51.

Posted by: Suresh | Dec 4 2024 21:48 utc | 103

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 4 2024 18:57 utc | 75
Agree about Dialog Works. Colonel Wilkerson and Ray McGovern are both gems to listen too.

Posted by: azeclecticdog | Dec 4 2024 21:50 utc | 104

Suresh @ 103
Your right.
They also enjoy violence.
And they also enjoy blaming their victem.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 4 2024 21:53 utc | 105

The fact you are focusing on South Korea and avoiding Syria shows how low you have sunk from a brilliant, almost genius analyst, b, to the Covid/vaccine apologist; from the best analyst of the Syrian war to a website that has lost its best comment providers: people like Grieved. Why are you not on Syria? What has happened to you?

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:14 utc | 106

@ Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:14 utc | 106
Would be more productive if you cancel your subscription, write your analysis, and post or link it in the open thread.

Posted by: I forgot | Dec 4 2024 22:18 utc | 107

Valparaiso @ 106
This is b’s blog if you dont like it start your owen blog.
Mr new name.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 4 2024 22:21 utc | 108

There is no subscription dumbass though I have donated to b. in the past. Have you?

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:22 utc | 109

@ Mark2
I spent years on this blog, much longer than you or I would recognize the name. I was doing a PHD at the time. You may be new to this site but when you see a top class brain like b. and you see it not as good as it was you worry and you say it.

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:31 utc | 110

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:14 utc | 106
M’kay, if you don’t like what’s on offer, why are you here? If you are looking for immediate updates and “analysis” for every burp and fart from a thrashing, flailing, dying hegemon you could try the well-funded and utterly unbiased legacy media outlets, rather than relying on one person, who is recovering from medical intervention, to meet your exceptionalist entitlement to the information you demand.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 22:33 utc | 111

Pres. Yoon’s folly is a good example of why historians say stupidity explains more than conspiracy. Yoon didn’t bother to line up partisan support in Congress, but just stuipidly proclaimed “Martial Law! Martial Law”! Until Congress told him “No Martial Law, fool!”

Posted by: lester | Dec 4 2024 22:34 utc | 112

Valparaiso @ 110
If your so cleaver you will understand your comments are taking the massive aceivment that b has selflessly given us forgranted.
I live in england the geo politics i have on my phone could get me arrested and thrown in prison.
Would you blame b for being carefull now.
It’s what the situation has come to.
Pay attention.
What was your phd on hairdressing.
Dont take a new thread as a right.
And an apology would be in order right now.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 4 2024 22:41 utc | 113

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 22:33 utc | 111
I guess you think that’s a well composed sentence. I am here because I care for b. End of. In case you didn’t know b. was the best analyst of the Syrian war apart from a website called Syrian Perspective where people like Canthama were also brilliant. What the Saker did for the first Ukraine war b. did for Syria. I hope this is rhyming for you.

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:50 utc | 114

@ Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:14 utc | 106
While I’m sure that b is thinking about the Syria situation, I particularly liked that b was not a covid denialist or a “vaccine skeptic” – at least not in the uninformed and paranoid way that characterizes the right’s stance on vaccines these days. While I think there’s a rational kernel to some vaccine skepticism – the pharmaceutical industry and the feds were completely fine with “noble lies” in lieu of making citizens come to their own informed decisions, and the mRNA vaccines were not as efficacious as originally touted – I also think b weighed the evidence and made a rational consideration.
The only commenter I can name who I really miss is vk. I believe he was banned for spamming unrelated posts in the comment section. I get it, I guess. Not his blog. But his departure signaled to me that this blog’s readership, at least its commentariat, was drifting to the right.
The Syria issue seems to have attracted cranks from all sides and everyone seems to be looking at it through deranged ideological blinders.

Posted by: fnord | Dec 4 2024 22:51 utc | 115

@ fnord 115
I appreciate your sort of objective viewpoint. When you say drifting to the right what is the right? And what is the left? In the olden days the left was socialist. Before Jewish communism took over.

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 23:01 utc | 116

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:14 utc | 106
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Hey, Mr. PHD, South Korea is essential because the people of South Korea (SK) are telling the US they have had enough of the US controlling their domestic and foreign affairs; they want to be an independent and sovereign nation. It’s time to pack up and leave SK to the Koreans. That is a pretty big deal, as is Syria. The struggle between the factions in SK is largely fighting over whether SK should send arms to Ukraine forces and possibly boots on the ground. That deserves some fucking attention, don’t you think.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 4 2024 23:02 utc | 117

This coup was about several people, the president and his high school cronies, going bonkers. Absurd reasons given, and while there was a seeming support of the military, the defense minister being one of those cronies, the resolute repressions like, at the very least, house arrests of parliamentarians, dragged to their homes from the parliament if needed, were absent. Were the reason serious, the country beset by pro-North traitors, one could expect a list of some traitors to arrest, eh?
Given an unexpected event and rather decrepit state of US leadership, fine with preplanned events set on autopilot, but not with surprises, the lack of US official response is natural. Spokescreatures can claim that the Sun raises in the West if so instructed, but they have to be instructed, nothing is obvious to them, least of all in each direction the Sun raises.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 4 2024 23:02 utc | 118

typo correction: least of all in each [–> which] direction the Sun raises

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 4 2024 23:05 utc | 119

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:50 utc | 114
Well, I see b doing a very good job at providing analysis of events in a chaotic and fast-moving global situation. Your criticism @Dec 4 2024 22:14 utc | 106 is utterly unwarranted, sufficient to get my troll antennae twitching.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 23:05 utc | 120

@106 Valparaiso
You are asking more from someone than they have.
Sarscov2, do you know what anyone is up against wrt ? b cannot take that responsibility on himself, but he left comments OPEN to those who had other to say.
Syria, do you know what any analyst is presented with when a conflict flashes up and there are a hundred sources of info and only a few are worthy ? Yet you want answers and analysis NOW.
And to pin that on b, is like trying to make out the troubles of this world are his fault.
That is not cool at all.
Follow any forum, and commentators come and go. Some go to sidelines to observe by choice, others have enough of looking at a screen. Moods come and go, attitudes change:
However b has kept it rolling through the years and still MoA is a chosen source on any controversial topic.
Though you might be sincere, to be honest it comes across as creepy, like you are trying to turn b on himself. Like you are trying to overide his ability. I have come up against people with that attitude, very negative and disturbing, sometimes on purpose.
And I personally don’t even mind thread suggestions and short OT, but only as long as relatively respectful.

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 4 2024 23:07 utc | 121

@ ed 117
I totally agree. Yankee go home and take your Hebrews with you.

Posted by: Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 23:07 utc | 122

For anyone who seeks new and fast information about Syria RIGHT NOW:
try Alexander Mercouris on YT, his newest video is titled “Putin Erdogan Talk Syria” (among other topics), which sounds interesting,
haven’t seen it yet, but I can recommend the man

Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 4 2024 23:15 utc | 123

@ ornot 121
When you have been in this business as long as b. and me you know exactly where to get the truth. For example Palestine I would look to Electronic Intifada and Laith (forget his second name)for Lebanon. For Syria Kevork at Syriana Analysis.

Posted by: Lochearn | Dec 4 2024 23:17 utc | 124

cortomaltese @ 123
Ah, dear Alexander. He goes on and on but is a very acute analyst of everything and has an amazing memory for history. Truly a one off. I rate him just a bit lower than b

Posted by: Lochearn | Dec 4 2024 23:23 utc | 125

@ Valparaiso | Dec 4 2024 22:14 utc | 106
My understanding, contrary to your assertion, is that the esteemed poster Grieved left because the threads became too long and unwieldy, unfriendly to positively generative conversation; unfriendly to beneficial thought and activities if one does not have unlimited time.
Grieved leaving, and grieved can correct me if i am wrong, had nothing to do with our
brilliant, generous bar host b and his views, his orientation.
Grieved does still post intermittently, most recently iirc re the ongoing warfare in Syria, suggesting one view globalsouth.co ‘s The Hearty Salon › Chronicles of the Apocalypse for updates. Link below.
https://globalsouth.co/globalsouthforum/topic/chronicles-of-the-apocalypse-3-dec-2024/

Posted by: suzan | Dec 4 2024 23:49 utc | 126

Marine Le Pen (far right) was actually the winner, but with tricks during the 2nd election process they managed to keep them out of government (they try to keep the far right out now in all European countries).

False. Or you don’t know how French legislative elections are working. The Left (NFP) won not the far-right. No “tricks”, just strategy (+ the crass incompetence of far right candidates that became obvious in-between the two rounds). Legislative elections are local elections : they’re not based on the number of votes on a national level but on the numbers of constituencies or districts (whatever you call it) that had been won locally. The NFP (Left) won 184 seats, the RN (far-right) won 143 seats. Therefore the prime minister should have been chosen among the Left but Macron decided to ignore the result of these elections.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 0:22 utc | 127

“Looks like we’ve (they’ve) set a new off-topic record in the first hundred comments.”
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 4 2024 21:26 utc | 101
Yep. I think the following are the four main avenues that are used to derail threads by appeals to emotions and political factionalism (in no particular order):
– Trump, pro vs con
– Covid and vaccines
– Zionism/Jews
– climate change/energy technologies like EVs
That said, it appears that the topic of aborted South Korean martial law issue has run its very short course, and most commentators just don’t think it is a very big deal compared to everything else going on. Some of the days-old threads about Ukraine and Palestine are still somewhat active.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 5 2024 0:48 utc | 128

@ 124 Lochearn
I don’t argue with that. Facts on the ground are fast however, and to gauge intent and direction is much more complex and is what is needed to present analysis. If you take any fact and over-amplify or under-play it then you reach a wrong conclusion. That takes a lot of sense, caution and intuition to work through.
I link Kevork at end (as you mentioned him), he gives a good overview ending with a somewhat pessimistic outlook. This view not new to me, even though I don’t follow Syria, and it is an ‘as things stand’. An analysis from there though ? More questions than answers in reality:
What level of direct participation are the US and “Israel” prepared for ?
What direction will Iran/Turkey relations take now ?
Will Russia aim for diplomatic resolution or military ?
Will Iraq allow Syria to be sured up ?
Out of those, what is the actual aim of participants – distraction and leverage, overthrow, synthesis etc . ?
Those a just off the cuff and there are many many more questions that could be asked or included.
We could follow every political utterance, every shift of position and so on, but without placing them in fuller perspective would be just jumping back and forth or running in circles.
It takes time for a picture to form just because these events go into pauses and stock-tacking, political calculations etc. . To assimilate all the various known facts as part of that picture also takes a lot of discretion.
So it is really up to the person observing or analysing to decide when to present a view, when they find a view worth presenting.
In the meantime, although anyone would have to scroll back a few days, there is a post dedicated to Syria that anyone could try to keep going.
Syria as top of page post might just be more questions and speculation than answers at the moment ?
(latest from Kevork)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Azlk7cXTVwM

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 5 2024 0:50 utc | 129

@127 It was worth posting though, something of a primer.

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 5 2024 0:54 utc | 130

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 5 2024 0:54 utc | 129
I agree 100%.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 5 2024 0:57 utc | 131

Valparaiso @ 106:
If you want current information on Syria that is not biased against its President and his government, I suggest you follow Vanessa Beeley’s updates on Instagram, X or MintPressNews.com, and consider subscribing to her sites.
Her YouTube channel has a recent report:
Damascus and Aleppo have not fallen – the military and psychological war against Syria
I do not know where Eva Bartlett is at present, she has been dividing her time between Donetsk and the Middle East, but you should consider following her news online as well.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 5 2024 1:04 utc | 132

“It is notable that the U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, Philip Goldberg, had previously been kicked out of Bolivia and the Philippines for attempts to overthrow the respective sitting governments. He is supposed to leave South Korea in January.”
It’s all in the name, eh? The Biden regime was full of these Zionist fanatics.
I’m glad they are impeaching a President who clearly overstepped

Posted by: Kay | Dec 5 2024 1:05 utc | 133

“It’s all in the name, eh? The Biden regime was full of these Zionist fanatics.”
Posted by: Kay | Dec 5 2024 1:05 utc | 132
Time to wake up now, Kay. Trump is appointing Zionist fanatics as fast as he can. Ever heard of Charles Kushner? Or Mike Huckabee? Or Hegseth? Or, or, or…Ok never mind, it is off topic. But but but GOLDBERG is a JEW!

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 5 2024 1:22 utc | 134

Almost none of those people have a solution or approach to offer.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2024 20:58 utc | 94
almost none of those people have any power as atomized wage slaves to make a difference. As a conscious class, they could solve the problems, by force if needed. As a bunch of stray individuals: nada.
Still it is important to get the objective picture right and this bar is a rare democratic forum to do it. Keep analyzing boys! There will be a moment when we can put it all to good use.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 5 2024 1:38 utc | 135

xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 0:22 utc | 126
“False. Or you don’t know how French legislative elections are working.”
Either you’re a f*cking idiot and clueless yourself, or you are one of these a$$h*** leftists that spread constantly lies and disinformation, I bet the latter, so guess, I must clear things for the reader:
Yes, NFP won after 2nd round, but RN (Le Pen) got by far the most votes (33%) and a plus of 14% votes, so this was a clear message of the people for an RN participation in the government.
What was the “trick”:
The 2nd round of French elections works like this: in 577 districts the best candidate (most votes) wins the whole district, the pool of candidates of each district comprises of those who had at least 1/8 or 12,5% of all votes in 1st round.
The trick was, that all the left candidates gave up their candidacy for the support of only one opponent of RN.
So let’s say in one district, there are 4 candidates from 1st round, 1 from RN and 3 leftists, RN gets 40% votes, but 2 of the 3 leftists tell the voter to vote for the 3rd, who then gets 60% of votes and wins.
Which is kind of a conspiracy against RN, but seems to be legal.
This way RN had far more votes (7%) than the winner NFP, but NFP won almost twice as much districts,
which ofc is a total perversion of any democratic election,
and “trick” is actually an understatement, that’s fraud, that what it is.
Now you can understand that the lefties are eager to hush this up, to lie about it or tell disinformation,
what this jerk here did.

Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 5 2024 2:05 utc | 136

all over the internet between 8am to say 10am CST was News that the head of united Health care Brian Thompson had been shot on a visit to wall street this am.
About 10 am or so that information suddenly was no longer to be found? also it was said that the assassin got away on a bicycle . am I dreaming or did this event happen? is it fake news or real news covered up?
what gives B can you find out..

Posted by: snake | Dec 5 2024 2:36 utc | 137

Posted by: snake | Dec 5 2024 2:36 utc | 136
b isn’t going to make a big deal about this one-off murder of some manager of a US “health care” behemoth.

Posted by: naBisco | Dec 5 2024 2:49 utc | 138

from Xinhuanet
FLASH: S. KOREAN PROSECUTORS BAN EX-DEFENSE MINISTER FROM LEAVING COUNTRY

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2024 5:55 utc | 139

Posted by: snake | Dec 5 2024 2:36 utc | 136
Yes it can still be found. He was killed. the guy go away on an ebike!!!!!!!!!!
Making a wild guess based on nothing but probably some guy whose loved one died because of rejected insurance claim, or perhaps someone who had to sell his home etc.
A very deliberate and targeted attack.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 5 2024 6:12 utc | 140

South Korea Opposition Leader Lee Backs Return of Short Selling
December 5, 2024 at 6:54 AM GMT+1
South Korea’s opposition leader Lee Jae-myung, who’s among the leading contenders to replace the sitting South Korean president after a brief martial law decree, is in favor of bringing back short selling in stocks.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-05/s-korea-opposition-leader-lee-backs-short-selling-return

Posted by: too scents | Dec 5 2024 6:39 utc | 141

@ too scents | Dec 5 2024 6:39 utc | 140 about short selling
I see short selling as casino betting or financial rape, depending on the backing of the short sellers.
The worst market seeing that level of manipulation is the foreign exchange market which will shrink as more China/Russia axis countries move to processing exchange in national currencies instead of through the Reserve Currency dollar exchange.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2024 6:49 utc | 142

I see short selling as casino betting or financial rape, depending on the backing of the short sellers.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2024 6:49 utc | 141

A market cannot function without sales before delivery. Production planning depends upon it.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 5 2024 6:55 utc | 143

I think Alexander Mercouris’ latest speculation on the explanation of the bizarre South Korean coup attempt is plausible. Below is my free interpretation of what he said.
In short: SK military and government is US controlled. Currently US is executing an undeclared war on Russia in Ukraine, but losing. The Biden administration is hell bent on providing weapons to Ukraine to prolong the war and box in Trump. But there are no weapons to be found in Europe or US, the arsenals are empty and production is far too slow. Enter South Korea with its weapons and industrial capacity, they can deliver what the US wants. And by the way, the “North Koreans are in Kursk”. Only problem is that the political opposition and people of South Korea are strongly against involving South Korea in the US war against Russia in Ukraine. What to do about it? Tell the SK Government they have to stage a coup to eliminate the opposition so the weapons can be delivered to Ukraine. Problem solved, eh?

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 5 2024 7:38 utc | 144

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 5 2024 7:38 utc | 143
Yes that is my take on it too.
Possibly also shoring up the anti Chinese alliance. There are some members of the US establishment that want to start WWIII now, before china gets any stronger.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 5 2024 7:45 utc | 145

Why South Korea is not a sovereign nation but an American colony explained in under one minute.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/114713

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 5 2024 7:50 utc | 146

Yes, NFP won after 2nd round

That’s all I need to hear. The rest is, as I said, strategy. Wether you or I don’t like it, it’s just political strategies, so quit whining about it.
The simple fact that you jump so fast on insult mode hidden behind your little keyboard just shows that you’re a coward as well as an immature idiot which is the typical profile of far right groupies. Plus you desecrate the name of Corto Maltese.

but RN (Le Pen) got by far the most votes (33%)

Listen, you may not like the rules, but they are the rules. You don’t change them when the game is over because you don’t like the result. Grow up. And if we follow your logic, then Donald Trump would also have lost the elections in 2016 against Hillary Clinton. I let you check the numbers, mate.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 8:09 utc | 147

Apropos South Korea, ‘come back Bruning, all is forgiven’.

Posted by: Squeeth | Dec 5 2024 8:45 utc | 148

Peter Cronau
@PeterCronau
Sth Korean coup leader ‘on our side’.
“We’re willing to say we love rule of law and democracy and everything else—but we just ignore this kind of behavior because the guy is on our side.
“But the rest of the world is not stupid. They see this & they are very skeptical of the U.S. administration.”
https://x.com/PeterCronau/status/1864458719658184779

Posted by: Menz | Dec 5 2024 9:04 utc | 149

xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 8:09 utc | 147
“it’s just political strategies … they are the rules”
No, it’s not, and USA is totally different, because there you have just 2 big parties, and one might have 45%, the other 55%, so nothing much changes either way, if you count all the votes or the electors.
In France, with this kind of manipulation made by Macrons party, you could win the district mandate with just 10% of votes of the district.
In 1st round RN won almost in 300 of the 577 districts.
So if there had been no conspiracies and deals behind the scene, if everything had run according to official rules, RN had had an absolute majority in the 2nd round (because the strongest party wins the district).
Instead they won just in 17% of the districts. The whole election had been manipulated in an unprecedented way, in a way that these elections aren’t meant to be and make no sense anymore.
This way (like the 2020 elections in USA) the whole Western belief in democracy, fair elections and trust in politics has been subverted furthermore.
(as for language: I reserve politeness for normal people, lying scum like you deserve the proper language, the only one they understand)

Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 5 2024 11:09 utc | 150

And I must add as for USA election system: yes, the result can change either way you count the votes, if the results are very tight, like 49%,
but what I meant, the indirect election system in USA pretty much SHOWS the will of voters, and voting electors is as good as any other system.
But in F this was a total different story, it was REAL MANIPULATION, the state power was involved in the election process and therefore falsified everything.

Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 5 2024 11:28 utc | 151

(as for language: I reserve politeness for normal people, lying scum like you deserve the proper language, the only one they understand)

First, I moved the topic to the “Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread”.
Second, you are the “lying scum” to me.
Third, excuse me, but where are you from ?

But in F this was a total different story, it was REAL MANIPULATION, the state power was involved in the election process and therefore falsified everything.

Man, I don’t what you smoke, but please give me your dealer’s phone number.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 12:14 utc | 152

Man, I don’t what you smoke, but please give me your dealer’s phone number.
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 12:14 utc | 152

I don’t know what you smoke…

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 12:40 utc | 153

xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 12:14 utc | 152
It’s always the same with you leftie species, you crawling, spineless wormus imbecilus race,
if you run out of serious arguments and lies, because you realise the opponent is way, way smarter,
then you must switch to ad hominem arguments and primitive insults,
(and because I know this, I made it easier for you, I preceded you, I know the language of poses and turds)
But how it is NOT MANIPULATION, if you can reduce the won districts by RN from over 50% to 17% from 1st to 2nd round, that you must explain,
how it is a FAIR ELECTION.
Because this election was manipulated to keep RN out,
and everyone who can understand, what I said before (see above), can see and grasp this, coz it’s just numbers and facts.
And now you can blahblah and babble and wiggle and jerk some more, fkn idiot.

Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 5 2024 12:46 utc | 154

cortomaltese,
I gave my explanation at a more appropriate place, as I said.

It’s always the same with you leftie species, you crawling, spineless wormus imbecilus race,
if you run out of serious arguments and lies, because you realise the opponent is way, way smarter, then you must switch to ad hominem arguments and primitive insults,
(and because I know this, I made it easier for you, I preceded you, I know the language of poses and turds)

Best reason in the world 🙂
cortomaltese : “I better be a cunt before you !”
Darwin was so right…
I just think people like you should be expelled from MoA. I enjoy reading b’s posts especially when I’m skeptical about current events but I hate the comment sections mainly because pricks like you are polluting it with their tantrums.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Dec 5 2024 14:11 utc | 155

In response to

A market cannot function without sales before delivery. Production planning depends upon it.
Posted by: too scents | Dec 5 2024 6:55 utc | 143

Skin in the game is the key and it is called price discovery, not short selling.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2024 14:30 utc | 156

Posted by: Matthias | Dec 4 2024 11:13 utc | 10
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Here’r some of the most illustrious agent provocateurs…
‘US ambassador to Solomon Islands Erin McKee” issuing “a provocative statement on December 10 insinuating that the government was corrupt and urging people to ‘choose’ the US over China”, while backing opposition claims of Chinese bribery.’
‘German ambassador: Bombing of Yugoslavia was necessary to prevent genocide
Even today, 20 years later, I believe that it was a difficult but correct decision that came only when all diplomatic means were exhausted – said Thomas Schieb’
‘U.S. Ambassador Huntsman Accused of Instigating Anti-Gov’t Protesters in China’
‘It was therefore not at all surprising to read the text of a purloined memo from U.S. ambassador to Kyrgyzstan Stephen Young – originally posted on the official news site of the Kyrgyzstan government – that outlines in detail the American plan to oust Akayev’
‘It should also be noted that the US Ambassador to Sri Lanka Alaina Teplitz had been very active since the terrorist attack and overzealously initiated actions that Sri Lanka does not want, such as the presence of FBI and their assistance in the
investigations into the terrorist attacks by the Security Forces of Sri Lanka.’
‘Clinton was not speaking simply in a personal capacity. On the same night that she appeared in Melbourne, the Obama administration’s last ambassador to Australia, John Berry, told an audience of Australian military chiefs and diplomats at the Australian Naval Institute in Canberra that China was becoming more aggressive and authoritarian’
‘Then, in an extraordinary media interview, US ambassador Scott Brown rebuked Bill English, then prime minister, for failing to endorse President Donald Trump’s threats to annihilate North Korea. ‘
‘Post-election, Ardern quickly fell into line. Following high-level talks with the US, she declared that New Zealand was prepared to intervene militarily against North Korea.’
‘Operation Yellow Bird—is the name for clandestine rescue from China of most important pro-democracy leaders. For 6 months after the June crackdown, CIA’s most valued agents in China, Hong Kong, and Macao provided A safe haven and means of escape. Wuer kaixi and Li Lu disappeared, later Other leading dissidents wan Runnan and Yan Jaiqi, made it to west. During Last week in may, U.S. Ambassador Lilley handed out more than 200 visas to Intellectuals, scientists, and students and on several occasions lent money To escapees. In absence of credible CIA leadership in China, Lilley was Once again CIA’s Beijing COS. ‘
‘Australia is far from a passive player in US-led conflicts, and the pending appointment of the hawkish Harris as ambassador to Australia should be a horrifying sign of things to come.’
‘While he was threatening People’s Korea, Iran and Venezuela in his United Nations speech, U.S. President Donald Trump also demanded that the U.N. Security Council take “strong and swift action” to end violence against Myanmar’s Rohingya population.
U.S. government officials, including U.S.
Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Vice President Mike Pence, have called for immediate action and delivery of humanitarian aid to the Rohingya.’
‘The United States supports Turkey’s struggle against separatist Kurdish rebels and is ready to “urgently” consider any new request for help from Ankara, the US ambassador to Turkey said Monday.
“We stand ready to review urgently any new requests from the Turkish military or government regarding the PKK,” Ambassador James Jeffrey said in a written statement.’
‘COLOR REVOLUTIONS AND GEOPOLITICS:
Michael McFaul, the New US Ambassador to Russia: Color Revolutions Expert’
‘George Bush sent to Bolivia his Ambassador of Ethnic Cleansing [original title translated from the Spanish]
He presented his credentials before President Evo Morales on October 13, 2006; but three months before his arrival in Bolivia, when he was still in Pristina fulfilling his role as head of the US mission in Kosovo, it was already being said that the new US ambassador designated by George Bush for this Andean country, Philip Goldberg, would come to take part in the separatist process that was being cultivated in the background to pierce the Bolivian regime.’
‘Who is Ambassador Robert Stephen Ford? The Architect of US Sponsored Terrorism in Syria’
‘The U.S. ambassador to China on Saturday urged Beijing to improve its human rights record, pointing to imprisoned Nobel Peace Prize laureate Liu Xiaobo as an example where China falls short.
In a statement released on the U.N.’s International Human Rights Day, envoy Gary Locke said protection of human rights in China had not kept up with the country’s massive economic gains.’
‘Monday, 24 April 2006
OrtegaOn Monday, April 17 the US Ambassador in Nicaragua met with right wing parties in the country to discuss their opposition strategy against Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega in the November 5 presidential elections. Support for Ortega is growing, and many expect him to win the race. The US has called on Nicaraguans to not vote for Ortega.
Reuters reported that U.S. envoy Paul Trivelli is lobbying right-wing parties to join forces and pick a single candidate to represent them in the election, to reduce the chances of a Sandinista victory. He said his intention was “to see if we can push the democratic unification of this country a little more.”
‘U.S. Ambassador Huntsman Accused of Instigating Anti-Gov’t Protesters in China’
‘U.S. Ambassador to India David Mulford was meeting with the Dalai Lama’
‘Robert S. Ford, current US ambassador in Syria (even though based in Turkey), has just been designated by Barack Obama to represent him in Egypt, thereby replacing Ann Peterson, who will in turn become under-secretary of State for the Near-East.
Former assistant to ambassador John Negroponte in Baghdad, Robert S. Ford organized the first anti-Assad demonstrations in Syria, in 2011. He tried, often successfully, to mobilize the other Western ambassadors to get them to support the ’’revolutionaries’’. When it proved impossible for NATO to bombard Syria, because of Russia’s and China’s veto, Robert S. Ford set up the ’’Nicaraguan Solution’’ with General David Petraeus : hundreds of thousands of combatants, coming from all places, attempted to overthrow the regime.’
‘Syria is also currently being accused of laying mines along the Lebanese border to prevent insurgents crossing it. Perhaps it is, who knows? If so, a way to discourage might be to put out a hand of friendship. If threatened sufficiently, most might resort to protective measures.
It is surely coincidence that the unrest and the focus on Syria began shortly after the arrival of the first US Ambassador to the country since 2005.
Ambassador Robert Ford, arrived in Damascus on January 16 this year. By January 31, there was a call for a “Day of Rage” on February 4. As Michel Chossudovsy has pointed out the Ambassador has an interesting CV — diplomacy possibly not being one of his towering strengths. He is currently temporarily withdrawn, having been pelted with tomatoes.
‘In December also, a top Chinese official charged U.S. Consul General Stephen Young in Hong Kong with trying to spread disorder. “Wherever (Young) goes, there is trouble and so-called color revolutions,” said the pro-Communist Party Hong Kong newspaper Wen Wei Po.’
‘Destabilizing Russia_ The `Democracy’ Agenda of Michael McFaul and His Oxford Masters ‘
‘encouraged to kill Park Chung Hee by a former US ambassador. Kim was executed before he could make public his knowledge, kcia, assassination.’
‘M of A – An Eyewitness Tells How The U.S. Ambassador Instigated ‘Revolution’ In Syria’
‘New Zealand Ardern’s coalition government was installed
public intervention by the US ambassador Scott Brown’
‘U_S_ Ambassador Jon Huntsman caught on video at “Jasmine Revolution” rally at Wangfujing ‘
‘It should also be noted that the US Ambassador to Sri Lanka Alaina Teplitz had been very active since the terrorist attack and overzealously initiated actions that Sri Lanka does not want, such as the presence of FBI and their assistance in the investigations into the terrorist attacks by the Security Forces of Sri Lanka.’
‘zombies acting under the instructions of the Indian ambassador’
‘German ambassador, Bombing of Yugoslavia was necessary to prevent genocide’
https://www.thecanadafiles.com/articles/us-agent-defeated-in-solomon-islands-comes-to-ottawa-assists-china-hysteria

Posted by: denk | Dec 5 2024 19:33 utc | 157

@EoinW 15
America and world needs another Napoleon the great who was belting the coward English race like a parish dog.sadly the Grand army was misused for working target Russia
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Goldberg! Another Irishman?
America needs a King Edward I. Heck! the whole world might need a solution to finally end this problem.
Posted by: EoinW | Dec 4 2024 12:34 utc | 15

Posted by: Sam | Dec 5 2024 21:51 utc | 158

06/2015
sort England out
The most sure and cheapest way for Russia to survive-without spending arms and ammunition on fighting on so many fronts-is to give a stern warning and ultimatum to england the main evil and plotter of all major wars-that unless england refrains from interfering in Russian interests-, Russia will massively nuke england to an ash heap.
that will stop all evil doing in world because us does not fight for black americans, italian, german americans and no not even for Jewish americans-it fights for the interests of English ace only because americans have internalized that they are not free of england but a satellite or special friend of that evil country england.
all from persistent British media propaganda and british infested Hollywood.(all third rate films get Oscar as long as they have British input there).
hence attacking england and destroying that evil nation at first seconds and minutes is the best Russian strategy in any ensuing war which is coming even if Russia doesn’t want war.

Posted by: Sam | Dec 5 2024 21:53 utc | 159

Napoléon was the greatest general of the western world in last 2000 years. He was a great man too. only mistake he did was not to attack England and kill the english race-instead he attacked Russia and destroyed 95% of his grand army. Napoléon should have attacked and burn england so that the world wouldn’t have to bear the curse of having english race on the earth. we can still do it by making Europe again fight against the english parasite shopkeepers.
Considering the extent of the disaster(at battle of Auterlitzs and of Ulm before that in 1805 instigated by england with money stolen from India), The Austrian Emperor said
“THE ENGLISH ARE DEALERS OF HUMAN FLESH, THEY PAY OTHERS TO FIGHT AT THEIR PLACE”.
The Emperor forgot to mention that the payment is from the victim or some other pople’s wealth.
And English are too coward to fight on their own-they have never won a single war on their own since boar war in 1899 and that too with all resources of loot from empire.
The English are at this game even now-they now use American arms to further htier agenda-nato was created by them for them.
Isn’t it interesting to watch how the English pirate nation contrives to manipulate by greed, deception and duplicity, the vulnerable in the world.
Russia would be foolish to take lightly the danger of england-sooner that country is destroyed better it is for the humanity it is a pestilence of the clone subhumans which we call English nation.,better it is elimninated sooner rather than late..
Josef Stalin during Great Patriotic war said “the Americans and British will fight the Nazi’s to the last drop of Russian blood”

Posted by: Sam | Dec 5 2024 21:54 utc | 160

@fnord #115
I am missing vk as well and McGruff the Crimedog seems off the rails despite his past contributions of good quality. I also see the seeming lack of leftist (historically pro-worker) sentimemt here. Alas, everything is transitory.
Hail Eris!

Posted by: fnord | Dec 5 2024 22:34 utc | 161

Denk @ 157:
You can add Liliana Ayalde to that list of agents provocateurs. Ayalde was US ambassador to Paraguay (2008 – 2011) and then to Brazil (2013 – 2017). Both countries suffered coups (of social democratic or socialist-inclined governments) through lawfare while she was ambassador or just after she served as ambassador.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 6 2024 3:18 utc | 162

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 6 2024 3:18 utc | 162
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Thanks !
This just the tip of an iceberg.
Lets not forget William Walker, author of the ‘Racak genocide’…
Geoff Berne at Swans
‘One of the reasons why the wildest atrocity figures were so widely believed was because of the success of a former officer in the State Department’s Latin American division, William Walker, in staging for the cameras the discovery of a mass “grave” (actually a shallow ditch) with over forty Muslim bodies in the town of Racak. Though proof resonated around the world that the bodies must have been trucked in from another location and hence were not shot in a mass execution by “Milosevic’s” hate-crazed Serbs the impression of Milosevic as a mass murderer of 100,000 ethnic Albanians endured even after international forensic teams sent in after the war by the UN abandoned an exhaustive search of Kosovo after being able to find only 2,800 bodies, most of whom were assumed to be victims of armed combat in which the dead had, after all, been one of the aggressive parties. Walker’s name woke me up out of a deep sleep when I realized that this was the very same Walker who had helped bring world outrage against Noriega in Panama by orchestrating mass demonstrations against him for the CNN cameras and then personally confronting Noriega with the choice of accepting a $2M payoff from the American government or subject his country to a full-scale invasion. Walker, who honed his trade of subverting foreign governments under the best of them, Col. Oliver North, in Nicaragua, has made a mark on history with his Racak “massacre.”

Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2024 14:21 utc | 163

There was an earlier William Walker who tried to take over Nicaragua and ended up being executed by Honduras in 1860.

Posted by: Lysias | Dec 6 2024 18:53 utc | 164

Posted by: Lysias | Dec 6 2024 18:53 utc | 164
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Wow ,dunno about that, another Walker, all in the family ?
The ROW should ban all FUKUSA aka AUKUS ambassadors agent provocateurs from their shore, pronto !
Especially when these Walkers, Ford, Mcfaul, YOung , North, Negroponte, Goldberg etc etc already were known notorious shit stirrers with a CV that stink to high heaven,!

Walker’s name woke me up out of a deep sleep when I realized that this was the very same Walker who had helped bring world outrage against Noriega in Panama

In December also, a top Chinese official charged U.S. Consul General Stephen Young in Hong Kong with trying to spread disorder. “Wherever (Young) goes, there is trouble and so-called color revolutions

Posted by: denk | Dec 7 2024 4:30 utc | 165