South Korea - Majority Wins As President's Putsch Fails
The attempted coup by the president of South Korea against the majority in the National Assembly has failed.
The quick reaction of the leadership of the Democratic Party, which holds the majority, has saved the day.
There was a struggle over the budget which the president's minority government had lost.
In a furious reaction President Yoon Suk Yeol and his defense minister and school buddy Kim Yong-hyun decided to declare martial law. Remarkably the prime minister of the president's government was not informed about the step:
Prime Minister Han Duck-soo was completely unaware of President Yoon Suk Yeol's martial law declaration. This was because Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, a former upperclassman of President Yoon in high school, bypassed the prime minister and communicated directly with the president.Additionally, elite military units, specifically the 1st Airborne Special Forces Brigade, were deployed to the National Assembly, signaling an aggressive move to suppress political opposition.
A source said, "This martial law action appears orchestrated by the 'Chungam faction,' with (Defense) Minister Kim directly coordinating with President Yoon." The "Chungam faction" refers to those who graduated from Chungam High School in Seoul.
Following the president's emergency briefing and martial law declaration, the military established the Martial Law Command within the Ministry of National Defense compound, appointing Army Chief of Staff Park An-su as the commander.
Diplomatic sources noted that despite the defense minister's recommendation for martial law, no cabinet meeting was convened, leaving the prime minister and his staff uninformed.
Opposition parties suspect that direct communication channels between the military and police were activated during the martial law declaration process.
They believe that the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency was engaged directly, bypassing the National Police Agency, to control access to the National Assembly.
Under martial law the National Assembly was to be suspended. Strikes were declared illegal and the media would come under censorship.
But immediately after the president announced martial law the leader of the Democratic Party in the National Assembly called for a meeting in the parliament.
At the same time the military and police were sent to block any assembly member from entering the National Assembly.
The parliamentarians won the race.
Just 150 minutes after the presidential announcement 191 of the 300 members of the National Assembly voted to immediately end the martial law status. Troops and police entered the parliament but the vote against martial law had already taken place.
Unions announced to go on strike and people came out into the street to protest the president's step. Yoon's senior aids offered to resign en masse. There was no sensible way left for him but to concede:
President Yoon Suk Yeol announced the lifting of emergency martial law early Wednesday, as the National Assembly voted to call for its end with the United States expressing "grave concern" over the hourslong saga.His Cabinet approved a motion to end martial law enforcement at 4:30 a.m., around six hours after he made the surprise emergency declaration, accusing the nation's opposition of "paralyzing" the government with "anti-state" activities -- a decision that caused concerns across the country and beyond.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff said that troops, who were mobilized to execute martial law, have returned to base in a move that restored a sense of normalcy.
The opposition, with holds a majority in the National Assembly, has launched an impeachment procedures against the president. The National Assembly will have three days to vote on it. The Democratic Party will need nine additional votes from the president's People Power Party to gain the necessary two-third majority to pass the impeachment.
Several groups within the People Power Party were already positioned against the president. This makes it likely that the impeachment will pass.
The U.S. received some egg on its face. It seemed ready to side with the putsch and did not issue a word against it.
Laura Rozen @lrozen - 17:59 UTC · Dec 3, 2024Biden admin Asia hand, Deputy Sec State Kurt Campbell, at event earlier today:
“So we are watching the recent developments in the ROK with grave concern. We’re seeking to engage our ROK counterparts at every level both here and in Seoul. The President, the National Security Advisor, the Secretary of State have all been briefed on developments and are being kept appraised of the situation as it unfolds.
I do want to underscore that our alliance with the ROK is ironclad, and we stand by Korea in their time of uncertainty. I also want to just underscore that we have every hope and expectation that any political disputes will be resolved peacefully and in accordance with the rule of law. We’ll have more to say as the situation develops.”
As the putsch was ongoing the U.S. embassy in South Korea said nothing about the rule of law or democracy.
It is notable that the U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, Philip Goldberg, had previously been kicked out of Bolivia and the Philippines for attempts to overthrow the respective sitting governments. He is supposed to leave South Korea in January.
It is likely that Goldberg, and Washington DC, was informed about Yoon's martial law plans but did not attempt to prevent them.
Posted by b on December 4, 2024 at 9:42 UTC | Permalink
next page »Informed of President Yoon's plans to invoke martial law and suspend the rule of law? Would it not be more likely that Goldberg encouraged Yoon and even passed on tips on how to overthrow governments not to Washington's liking?
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 4 2024 9:55 utc | 2
"I wonder if the US destabilisers are pulling out all the stops in anticipation of running into trouble after Trump's inauguration?"
No doubt they are setting as many fires around the world as they can, as fast as they can.
Fasten your seatbelts cuz the fun has just begun. 46 days to go.
Posted by: Mary | Dec 4 2024 9:58 utc | 3
Thanks b for this post.
As it appears that martial Law was put in place following draft budget law failure at Korean parliament, the parallel with France (my post 190 to previous thread) makes even more sense in current French political context with a fool enough Président, able to misuse existing constitution clause providing for exceptional powers !
Posted by: Dany | Dec 4 2024 10:02 utc | 4
in case this story was missed:
"West facing spy shortage – former MI6 agent "
https://www.rt.com/news/608589-west-young-spy-deficit/
The best lines were:
"...if you look at what’s happening in Gaza and in Lebanon, a lot of young people are saying, ‘Why would I want to contribute to that, when you’re not doing any good?’”and
“The effects of that are slightly different in each country, but we are noticing that this cultural shift is a political shift and the desire to not make the world a worse place is actually affecting recruitment,”
I feel a tear coming on. *sniff*
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 4 2024 10:23 utc | 5
It is almost as if the Deep State in Washington is spasming in its January-20 death throws, and as a result all this weird shit is happening all over the world.
There doesn't appear to be rym nor reason to it - Erdogan getting a rush of blood to the head, Yoon goes off-script, Netanyahu picking fights with everyone - so much as the inmates of the madhouse just go crazy.
Pity the sane rulers of China, Russia, India, etc. They have to navigate a world populated by insane people.
Wasn't there a poem about "the centre cannot hold"?
Seems pretty prophetic right now.
Posted by: Yeah, right | Dec 4 2024 10:37 utc | 6
the emergency declaration ended within 6 hours. USA alliance with the ROK is ironclad, and we stand by Korea in their time of uncertainty.
Philip Goldberg previously removed from Bolivia and the Philippines for attempts to overthrow the respective sitting governments. He is supposed to leave South Korea in January.
The coup might have revealed a bit as to how ambassadors work in foreign lands?
Assumption about the class composition of most countries..
___________________.0006% of the population <= Class 1.
Oligarch: wealthy 6% seeking more wealth. King of mountain, Deep State?
____________________2.94% of the population <= Class 2.
POPFMEs: privately owned, public [stock mkt] financed multi-national entity.
____________________3.94% of the population <= Class 3.
Government: includes anything government local to global.
___________________94.12% of the population <= Class 4.
Slaves: governed people blinded by the obligations of patriotism.
Assume 100% of the population fits into one of the four classes of people..
Apparently Ambassadors integrate with, and side with, class 1, 2, 3 persons against the Class 4 persons in subject countries? If you were an Ambassador how would you establish friendships with members of foreign governments you were appointed to control? Maybe promise private parties (Class 1 and 2) and governments (Class 3) direct investments (in the form of say a military base and contracts to supply the base) to be located within the subject country or to improve national infrastructure or arrange big time loans from International banks etc. in ways which favor Class 1 and class 2 persons?
Maybe the situation in SK has revealed the reason for so many USA military bases abroad?
Posted by: snake | Dec 4 2024 10:50 utc | 7
It is notable that the U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, Philip Goldberg, had previously been kicked out of Bolivia and the Philippines for attempts to overthrow the respective sitting governments
More than notable, I'd say notorious, which juxtaposes handily with Norwegian's master list from the previous thread(comment 100).
Sono tutti corrotti.
Posted by: john | Dec 4 2024 10:53 utc | 8
Great news about the newly elected parliament standing up against the US Occupation military dictatorship! And their trained special forces goons in the South Korean Military and Police.
Time for the South Koreans to politely ask the empire masters to get the fuck out of South Korea and let peace be negotiated with their kith and kin in the North.
Japan should follow and Germany!
Speaking of which - relevant because of the out of control NED/Soros/Neocon mad bastards, as they spiral down the sink hole of history finally. As their various quislings and neonazi proxy would be invaders incite in Georgia, West Asia.
This Nazio German Official Cnut, wanders into a foreign country in West Asia and attempts an insurrection with his jackbooted suited banker gangsters and masters. To get the locals to attack their own democracy by lecturing them in ENGLISH !!
‘ Join us, join us in the lovely EU where we only speaky English but there are no ENGLISH - they BrexShited out so we could be left holding the baby of crazed EU expansion that they encouraged…’
‘ Ralf Jörg 🇩
@joerg_ralf
Dec 2
It would be hard to believe if it was not documented in the video: A German member of the Bundestag shows solidarity with marauding putschists and makes a incendiary speech with the aim of overthrowing a legitimately elected government in Georgia. SPD politician Michael Roth
Dec 2, 2024 · 10:57 PM UTC ‘
https://nitter.poast.org/joerg_ralf/status/1863719091363606719
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How fucking deluded are those morons? as they slam themselves like demented moths into lightbulbs! They should have been arrested by Georgian police as actual real foreign agitators and put in prison for a year or two. The proof is on videos coming out of their own mouths!
It’s the King Soros’s and their sons Princess King Sorearses - the naked emperors, their merry court of global robber barons and all their media whores, who have used public funds, defrauded from economies for decades, for their shapeshifter empire building - continuing centuries of slavery, exploitation and genocide.
This isn’t the first putsch, Color coup, violent mercenary invasion, or war and won’t be the last, they use to stay in power. They have to carry on, because ultimately they run the longest Ponzi scheme ever - which is their religion of Economics.
This shit can’t go on for the future progress of human civilsation and needs to be cut out surgically humanity to survive this century; before they go complete cuckoo full tonto and attempt to use nuclear suicide blackmail to keep their stolen wealth and dynastic ‘rights’
They are outlaws, murderers and Pirates!
Hang them together.
Hang them high.
Fuck ‘em all, the long short and tall.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 4 2024 11:01 utc | 9
Ambassador Philip S. Goldberg is a Jewish Zionist. Why am I not surprised?
It seems in every regime-change plot of the US, a Zionist can be found as key agent. You keep looking, they will pop up.
Posted by: Matthias | Dec 4 2024 11:13 utc | 10
Yeah, right @6: "It is almost as if the Deep State in Washington is spasming in its January-20 death throws, and as a result all this weird shit is happening all over the world."
Sure looks like it.
I think they are in "Use it or lose it!" mode, in addition to panic. They fear all of their carefully prepared imperial management operations will, at best, be put on hold for four years again. Four years without the bribes being paid on schedule and the blackmail being regularly exercised allows the Empire's grip to atrophy, and operations that were planned to bear fruit for the Empire over the next half decade come to naught. Might as well pull the trigger on those operations even if they have not ripened enough yet. Use `em or lose `em.
Sure, the CIA and Deep State will try to maintain some continuity in the hopes of restarting their evil plans in four years, but it ain't easy when you have a bull raging around in your china shop.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 11:19 utc | 11
oh..
another provocation improvised by DC frat boys has failed.
ho hum
Posted by: bongholder | Dec 4 2024 11:33 utc | 12
oh, so philip ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((goldberg))))))))))))))))))))))))) was involved in not one but many coups? what an odd thing to do for mr. (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( goldberg ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
i kid the judeonazi vermin. maybe he's just got a german name that makes him seem like one of them?
but yeah, a typical fascist korean government move by a typical korean fascist faggot. using their faggot military who have had no problem gunning down their own citizens in the past. all because he and his dumb bitch wife think the "country" is their slush fund.
i guess if "johnny somali" ended up dead in the streets this could have had a silver lining. but alas just another sign that "south korea" is just a capitalist hellhole that acts as a US base.
hopefully the citizens of hell joseon burn yoon and his spouse at the stake.
Posted by: durrrrrrnhard | Dec 4 2024 11:39 utc | 13
Goldberg! Another Irishman?
America needs a King Edward I. Heck! the whole world might need a solution to finally end this problem.
Posted by: EoinW | Dec 4 2024 12:34 utc | 15
Little mention of the 28,500 US troops permanently based in South Korea: ( plus nukes?)
Camp Humphreys: Located in Pyeongtaek, south of Seoul, this is the largest US overseas military base and serves as the headquarters for the US Forces Korea (USFK).
Yongsan Garrison: Located in central Seoul, this base is home to a significant number of US troops and serves as a major logistics hub.
Camp Walker: Located in the southeastern city of Daegu, this base is a key location for US Army troops in South Korea.
Osan Air Base: Located south of Seoul, this base is a major airbase for the US Air Force in South Korea.
Kunsan Air Base: Located on the west coast of South Korea, this base is another key airbase for the US Air Force.
Busan Naval Base: Located in the southeastern city of Busan, this base is a major naval base for the US Navy in South Korea.
Jinhae Naval Base: Located near Busan, this base is another key naval base for the US Navy in South Korea.
Be Philip Seth Goldberg a jew or not, he was an independent, coeducational preparatory school (2024-2025 tuition fee of $63,290 ) recipient.
Posted by: pilpul | Dec 4 2024 12:43 utc | 16
If this was a country the U.S. didn't like, such as Belarus, we would be on our 3rd round of sanctions before the vote took place. How long before we hear that this was a Russian plot?
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Dec 4 2024 12:53 utc | 17
Medvedev:https://t.me/Slavyangrad/114664South Korea's president, Yoon Seok-yeol, has to go. He declared martial law, which the parliament canceled and demanded his resignation. Traitor. Supported by the US, future fate unknown.
French President Macron has failed to deal with the government crisis and must go. Weak. Supported by the U.S., future fate unknown.
President Zurabishvili of Georgia should step down when her term expires but won't. Arrogant fool. Supported by the US, future fate unknown.
The overdue illegitimate president of ex. Ukraine must go and disappear. Criminal, drug addict, rotter. Supported by the USA, future fate quite obvious: shameful political emigration or public execution.
My comment: The list is incomplete
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 4 2024 12:59 utc | 18
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/03/south-koreas-6-hour-martial-law/
Posted by: Sick anf tired | Dec 4 2024 13:05 utc | 19
pilpul | Dec 4 2024 12:43 utc | 16
"Be Philip Seth Goldberg a jew or not ..."
"Ethnicity: Ashkenazi Jewish
Philip S. Goldberg, also known simply as Philip Goldberg, is an American bipartisan diplomat, government official, and career ambassador. ...
Philip is the son of Edna and Morton William Goldberg.
Philip’s paternal grandfather was Charles Goldberg (the son of Max Goldberg and Silvia G. Rubenstein). Charles was a Russian Jewish immigrant."
Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 4 2024 13:26 utc | 20
Yoon is despised by South Koreans for his abuse of power, his wife’s corruption and his vitiation of South Korea’s sovereignty and economic wellbeing to serve U.S. geopolitical interests.
Particularly triggering and enraging for South Koreans has been his enmeshing of South Korea’s military with that of its former colonizer, Japan, through a formal military alliance designed to wage war against China. This has also entailed engaging in radical historical revisionism and erasure to facilitate this extraordinary coalition.
Last week 100,000 citizens protested in the streets demanding his immediate resignation — something that received absolutely zero coverage in Western media. There was still little mention of this in current mainstream Western coverage as a factor for the short-lived declaration of martial law.
https://scheerpost.com/2024/12/04/south-koreas-6-hour-martial-law/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 4 2024 13:39 utc | 21
The whole thing is playing out like one of those old James Bond movies where the bad guys are trying to take over the world. In this case, not the movies, the hero consists of local players who don't want to be dominated by the bad guys. So far they are winning.
Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 4 2024 14:12 utc | 22
South Korean President Yun Seok-yul must go. He declared martial law, which the parliament overturned and demanded his resignation. Traitor. US-backed, future fate unknown.
French President Macron has failed to manage the government crisis and must go. Weakling. US-backed, future fate unknown.
Georgian President Zurabishvili must leave after her term expires, but does not want to do so. Impudent fool. US-backed, future fate unknown.
The expired illegitimate president of the former Ukraine must go and disappear. Criminal, drug addict, scum. US-backed, future fate is quite obvious: shameful political emigration or public execution.
- Dmitry Medvedev
Posted by: ostrr | Dec 4 2024 14:25 utc | 23
I have a lot of trouble understanding why so many commenters on this blog seem to think the Trump administration will counter the latest deep state/CIA/etc ploys to counter (viz. Syria, S Korea, Georgia, etc) along with the “end the war in 24 hours” promise by the old/new big honcho. It looks more like these actors are just beginning to cut loose, expecting Trump will walk in and further the whole lot, designed to somehow disrupt growing global alignment against the empire.
Posted by: Lonl | Dec 4 2024 14:29 utc | 24
Such irrational and irresponsible acts are typical of personality disorders. Just sayin' ...
Posted by: persiflo | Dec 4 2024 14:34 utc | 25
@Jmaas | Dec 4 2024 14:12 utc | 22
The whole thing is playing out like one of those old James Bond movies where the bad guys are trying to take over the world.That is because the Bond movies reflected the dreams of some people in the real world, who are now trying to make their dreams come true.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 4 2024 14:34 utc | 26
Pro-North Korean parliament?
Yesterday we read this:
South Korea president declares emergency martial law - CNN, Dec 3 2024President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law in an unannounced late-night TV address Tuesday, accusing the country’s main opposition party of sympathizing with North Korea and of anti-state activities.
Today the Western media has totally dropped the North Korea narrative. No mention of the North anywhere in the press.
Looks like Ukraine's and NATO's "North Koreans in Kursk" hoax blew on their face. The Korean people were not enthusiastic about president Yoon Suk Yeol's plans to send weapons to Ukraine to kill Koreans. All Koreans are nationalist. In a battle between Ukrainians and Koreans, South Koreans would endorse the North Korean side.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 4 2024 14:35 utc | 27
@Petri Krohn | Dec 4 2024 14:35 utc | 27
I thought the "North Koreans in Kursk" hoax was dual purpose.
a) It was used by US to 'justify' long range missile attacks on Russia
b) It looks like the SK president used it to distract attention from his corruption
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 4 2024 14:39 utc | 28
Ambassador vs CIA station chief
It is notable that the U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, Philip Goldberg, had previously been kicked out of Bolivia and the Philippines for attempts to overthrow the respective sitting governments.
During the Cold War, the role of the US ambassador was to keep Washington informed, while the CIA station chief handled regime change.
After the Cold War the CIA and the State Department swapped roles. It is now the responsibility of the CIA station chief to keep Washington informed, while the ambassador handles regime change.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 4 2024 14:43 utc | 29
https://ethnicelebs.com/philip-goldberg
They have only one loyalty. See the Protocols.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2024 14:48 utc | 30
Today the Western media has totally dropped the North Korea narrative. No mention of the North anywhere in the press.
Looks like Ukraine's and NATO's "North Koreans in Kursk" hoax blew on their face. The Korean people were not enthusiastic about president Yoon Suk Yeol's plans to send weapons to Ukraine to kill Koreans. All Koreans are nationalist. In a battle between Ukrainians and Koreans, South Koreans would endorse the North Korean side.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 4 2024 14:35 utc | 27
There was this gem from dailymail today, which they have already deleted after being called out for using AI to fake the photo:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14156683/Kim-Jong-North-Korean-women-fight-Ukraine.html
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/132423
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 4 2024 14:54 utc | 31
Yo ho ho.
Santa’s little helper has been sent to see Lavrov.
Finally doing some real intelligence gathering 😎
Maria says he got a great education, again.
Looking forward to our bars assessment when it comes in a few days.
That message goes direct to Drumpffs perforated earlobe - and the rest of the Company as usual - they must be serious about understanding wtf to do to stop the shitfest they started. Not that they’ll necessarily do the logical best for their peoples or the multipolar.
They will build the narratives around why they can’t comply without looking like it’s a surrender. The zionatzos Money families need to know what they can bargain over.
The answer must surely be NOTHING.
Not Ukraine, Not Syria, Not Palestine, Not Taiwan … and now Not even Korea !
Peace or Bust. Top Cat will have been schooled. Will be heed?
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 4 2024 14:55 utc | 32
Posted by: Lonl | Dec 4 2024 14:29 utc | 24
######
You won't be able to understand it through a rational lens.
It is emotionally driven.
Wait a year and all of the usual excuses will flow because the promises and expectations are completely irrational at this point.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2024 14:57 utc | 33
Re:5
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity..
WB Yeats
The Second Coming 1919
Mind you, Yeats was not nearly as clever as he thought he was.
Posted by: Toby James | Dec 4 2024 15:00 utc | 34
I can't but wonder if the globalists are pulling back, for now, to watch which way the power moves so they can latch on again somewhere down the line and corrupt it. It might double as punishment for the minions that have failed -- a cleaning of the house, so to speak. I'm sure they're not at all happy about the delays with their agendas and most of their minions have been revealed to those with half a brainstem as evil, incompetent buffoons. Obviously I want Trump and his merry band to clean their clocks, but I could see it getting out of hand quickly based only on my own vengeful feelings for the last 5 years. Staring into the abyss and all that.
Posted by: dirtforker | Dec 4 2024 15:07 utc | 35
Lonl | Dec 4 2024 14:29 utc | 24
"I have a lot of trouble understanding why so many commenters on this blog seem to think the Trump administration will counter the latest deep state/CIA/etc ploys ..."
Yeah, yeah, the whole "Trump is also part of the system" blahblahblah ...
Because they wanted to put him in jail, kill him 2 times, and the global media mafia has been attacking him for a decade now?
Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 4 2024 15:12 utc | 36
Lonl @24: "It looks more like these actors are just beginning to cut loose, expecting Trump will walk in and further the whole lot..."
Retarded nonsense. Your TDS brain damage is showing.
- Why would they need Trump to "further the whole lot"?
- Why would they prematurely trigger a shit-stirring operation such that it fails if Trump were in on it and could be trusted to launch the operation later when proper preperations had been completed? Why now before Trump is inaugurated?
- Why "cut loose" now? If Trump is the "big Bad" who is going to really sow chaos, why would he need the Biden Administration to get things started? Trump can't start shit on his own, or something?
- Why tarnish the reputations (what of it is left) of Biden/Dims/Establishment/Deep State if this was something Trump was going to do anyway? It couldn't wait a couple weeks?
No, you brain-phuqued retard, Trump isn't in office yet and has nothing to do with this crazy shit. This is your bat-shit craziness. This is on your "team".
Damn, but you TDS people are simple-minded, and you think you are smarter than everyone else. You are like a five year old kid trying to convince the adults that it was actually a big orange monster that infiltrated the house and raided the cookie jar. You are pathetic and annoying at the same time. It is actually quite offensive that TDS people as stupid as you believe you can get away with gaslighting people far more intelligent than yourselves.
No bonus for you.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 15:14 utc | 37
Mind you, Yeats was not nearly as clever as he thought he was.
@ Toby James | Dec 4 2024 15:00 utc | 34
Reminds me of Twain's opinion of Wagner, that his music is "better than it sounds."
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 4 2024 15:17 utc | 38
Another coup in a country with a murican embassy. Coincidence? I think not...lol
Posted by: nook | Dec 4 2024 15:17 utc | 39
“ Mind you, Yeats was not nearly as clever as he thought he was.”
Not really a rader of Yeats especially anymore, but question by what reason you feel entitled to claim this?
Posted by: Geoff | Dec 4 2024 15:19 utc | 40
That message goes direct to Drumpffs perforated earlobe - and the rest of the Company as usual - they must be serious about understanding wtf to do to stop the shitfest they started. Not that they’ll necessarily do the logical best for their peoples or the multipolar. They will build the narratives around why they can’t comply without looking like it’s a surrender. The zionatzos Money families need to know what they can bargain over. The answer must surely be NOTHING. DunGroanin 32
Reminds me of an American sitcom from the '90's, with a self-absorbed teenager who constantly caused chaos, when confronted with the results, would say "Oh, did I do that?" It's the modus operandi of the US to start shitfests whilst maintaining the fiction that they are innocent bystanders to the chaos, like the arsonist who stands in the crowd smoking a cigarette while watching the firemen trying to put out the blaze that he started. Americans have perfected the ability to not only start fires, but convince themselves that holding a match to an oily rag had nothing to do with the ensuing blaze. These are people who only accept responsibility for their actions when they are dealt copious amounts of real pain.
Posted by: Mike R | Dec 4 2024 15:25 utc | 41
personalities not of importance here: not their disorders, nor their identities, nor their endearing foibles.
we are watching a cascade of systemic failure at a scale many orders of magnitude greater than individual lives or acts.
our practice of personalizing massive social and institutional structures as we observe their careening and flailing only blunts our perception.
the machines that have been living through human populations in recent times are ghosts that we imagine.
Posted by: bongholder | Dec 4 2024 15:26 utc | 42
It was announced on Nov. 27 that Ambassador Philip S. Goldberg would retire from the Diplomatic Service and depart from Korea in January. None of the news reports from the past couple of days quote him. Is he even in Korea now?
Posted by: Lysias | Dec 4 2024 15:33 utc | 43
Re:40
A cursory reading of his work and life story. Oh and a throwaway remark by my English tutor.
Posted by: Toby James | Dec 4 2024 15:38 utc | 44
Apparently, the fiasco in South Korea was triggered to distract from the fiasco in Syria, which started the day after USrael's official loss in their Lebanese effort, launched to avert our eyes from ongoing genocides in 404 and occupied Palestine. Dammit, I just forgot all about Georgia. You know these are all basketballs on a big wooden court, sports fans.
Somehow, the dream-teams backed by USA are about as "tits up" (if I'm using that British expression correctly) as our Warriors and 49ers, here in San Francisco. Now in sole possession of last place, our Chronicle says the 49ers should just go bowling. It's time for Ukraine, South Korea, USrael, and what's left of Europe to take a team-bonding retreat like that. A retreat, at any rate.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 4 2024 15:40 utc | 45
bongholder @42:
True, this craziness will continue even after Trump's inauguration. Trump will be handed the steering wheel to the ship of state, only to find it is not connected to anything, and indeed it hasn't been connected to anything for decades.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 15:44 utc | 46
@ Lonl | Dec 4 2024 14:29 utc | 24
Don’t take His Gruffman’s condescension seriously. He’s unwilling to distinguish between Madcow-inspired TDS and legitimate criticism. Strange, no? Stranger still: Despite his typically *top*-quality contributions, IIRC Gruff claimed he worked for the “Bernie 2016” campaign, observed Bernie’s betrayal closer than naive donors like me, and yet this year said something suggesting people should still support Bernie. My takeaway: let’s not expect too much from even the best commenters here. All our perceptions have limits.
As for the “shootings”, reverse psychology and magic bullet technology has grown more magical the past few decades. It’s “real” to most.
Posted by: I forgot | Dec 4 2024 15:58 utc | 47
dirtforker | Dec 4 2024 15:07 utc | 35
The elite have always played the multi generational - in fact, millenial - long game.
Think culling 7b, think transhumanism, think dna modification to alter appearances - in this case, asian - to emerge once again plying their trade in the new center of empire.
The power of corruption exploits the human experience as encapsulted in the 7 venial sins.
They cover everything anyone needs to know about gaining power and control for ones own material gains.
Posted by: Markw | Dec 4 2024 16:08 utc | 48
Maybe I've become less cynical than I used to be, but it didn't occur to me to even consider US involvement in this martial law debacle since it just seemed like a cartoonishly large, but not atypical, instance of standard Korean gapjil (loosely, institutionalized bullying and abuse of power.) If the President Blinken administration was behind any of it in their efforts to "Trump-proof" the next four years, however, I'm going to say that it was a spectacular failure.
Although the names of the parties change, Korean politics is largely the same two-party nonsense the US sees... with a self-described "Liberal" party (currently the Deobureominjudang, or DPK) facing off against a self-described "Conservative" opposition (currently the Gungminuihim, or PPP.) What remains constant no matter how they style themselves is that the "Conservatives" are always fiercely anti-North Korea and fiercely pro- international trade and want to entice as many foreigners to their shores as possible to that end. Conversely, the "Liberal" party of the moment will always be fiercely pro- normalization with North Korea, and they will pass as many laws as possible to harass any foreigners who have had the misfortune of washing up on their shores. When a "Conservative" administration holds the Blue House, the saber rattling between North and South will ramp up, while anti-Japanese sentiment subsides and economic deals get made. More martial, but far less xenophobic. When a "Liberal" administration is in power, anti-Japanese demonstrations and boycotts become extremely common, the citizens of every other country will be barred from many public establishments, and talk of unification with the North becomes more common. Less martial, but far more xenophobic. Wash, rinse and repeat.
As one can probably surmise from the above, it was during a period of "Liberal" party control when Donald Trump was able to make his one small step for man across the DMZ, while at the accompanying state dinners, petty digs and jibes were made to the visiting Japanese dignitaries. Trumps overtures and love letters would not have been possible had a "Conservative" administration been the ones holding the reins as the fact that they were in violation of the 1948 National Security Act would have become an issue. If the US Blinken administration were trying to "Trump-proof" the Korean peninsula, they would have wanted the "Conservative" party to shore up their control, which is to say, the martial law attempt would have had to have succeeded. As it so spectacularly did not succeed and has so drastically weakened the "Conservative" party, it is safe to conclude that the US was either not involved or their attempt fell on its face.
Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 4 2024 16:10 utc | 49
This is good background:
South Korea Martial Law, a Chinese perspective
I had forgotten about Yoon at the White House singing American Pie, at the time I didn't really know anything about him, just that he did a good Ferdinand Marcos karaoke. If you don't have 20min for political insight and hanker instead for some Vietnam War era Saigon Asian lounge singer vibe, here it is in full:
South Korean President Yoon Sings 'American Pie' at Biden's State Dinner
"something touched me deeply inside, the day the music died"
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 4 2024 16:21 utc | 50
To maintain its dominance Korea's ruling class must feel a need to return to dictatorship. Yoon, the defense minister, and the elites of the military sought to do what the bourgeois has always done in S. Korea since 'liberation' from Japanese occupation. The US did not oppose previous military dictatorships in S. Korea and had nothing to fear with the establishment of another. What must alarm S. Korea's ruling class and their US suzerain is how quickly the majority Democratic Party returned to Parliament and reversed Yoon's declaration.
Koreans did not obediently obey Yoon's diktat. Koreans did not reflexively accept the smear about the Democratic Party being pro North Korea. Korean unions and youth immediately began protests at the National Assembly. The military and police did not use force to stop the parliamentarians or protesters. For Korea's ruling class, Yoon, and the US occupiers this development must indicate “clear anti-state behavior aimed at inciting rebellion.” Rebellion against the relations between capital and the aspirations of the Korean people.
Posted by: Keme | Dec 4 2024 16:28 utc | 51
"It is notable that the U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, Philip Goldberg, had previously been kicked out of Bolivia and the Philippines for attempts to overthrow the respective sitting governments. He is supposed to leave South Korea in January."
I wonder what Goldberg's thoughts on the genocide are?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 4 2024 16:40 utc | 52
31 -- "There was this gem from dailymail today..."
As noted, the story was gone, but led to a more interesting story on the same page. (Off topic, sorry, but too interesting to pass up)
"UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson shot and killed outside Manhattan Hilton hotel
The CEO of America's largest health insurance company was shot and killed by a masked attacker outside Manhattan's Hilton Hotel on Wednesday morning.. . . Witnesses said the suspected gunman was seen waiting outside the hotel before the shooting, and knew which door Thompson was going to emerge from before shooting him at point-blank range.. . . He was slated to speak at an investor meeting at the Hilton Hotel soon after the shooting. According to a release from United Healthcare on Tuesday, he would announce the company's hugely profitable 2025 financial outlook, including expected revenues upwards of $450 billion.
....Witness Amar Abdelmula, a driver, told PIX11: 'I wasn't paying attention and then I heard the shot. It was silent gun, black gun. (I) saw him after he shot him, and he was running across the street. I tried take a picture, but too far away, not clear.'"
So now we have a professional assassination of a major CEO just before he was about to give a speech, the assassin using a gun equipped with a silencer.
The article goes on to point out that United Healthcare has enemies:
"United is the biggest health insurer by market share in America. The company has been the subject of frequent protests by activists for allegedly systematically denying care for patients.
One such protest earlier this year led to the arrests of 11 people outside the United Healthcare headquarters in Minnetonka, Minnesota.
The company made headlines in February after it was subjected to a cyber-attack which cost $872 million."
Posted by: nazcalito | Dec 4 2024 16:48 utc | 53
Lonl @24: "It looks more like these actors are just beginning to cut loose, expecting Trump will walk in and further the whole lot..."
Retarded nonsense. Your TDS brain damage is showing.
Why would they need Trump to "further the whole lot"?
Why would they prematurely trigger a shit-stirring operation such that it fails if Trump were in on it and could be trusted to launch the operation later when proper preperations had been completed? Why now before Trump is inaugurated?
Why "cut loose" now? If Trump is the "big Bad" who is going to really sow chaos, why would he need the Biden Administration to get things started? Trump can't start shit on his own, or something?
Why tarnish the reputations (what of it is left) of Biden/Dims/Establishment/Deep State if this was something Trump was going to do anyway? It couldn't wait a couple weeks?
No, you brain-phuqued retard, Trump isn't in office yet and has nothing to do with this crazy shit. This is your bat-shit craziness. This is on your "team".
Damn, but you TDS people are simple-minded, and you think you are smarter than everyone else. You are like a five year old kid trying to convince the adults that it was actually a big orange monster that infiltrated the house and raided the cookie jar. You are pathetic and annoying at the same time. It is actually quite offensive that TDS people as stupid as you believe you can get away with gaslighting people far more intelligent than yourselves.
No bonus for you.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 15:14 utc | 37
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If your kids have been killed in Palestine or Lebanon would you vote for Trump?
Posted by: burak | Dec 4 2024 16:55 utc | 54
"...said something suggesting people should still support Bernie..."
Now? Of course not. That ship sailed already. In 2016, on the other hand, Sanders was absolutely where it was at.
People really need to stop thinking they are voting for a savior and focus more on whether the candidate's campaign (rarely the candidates themselves) can get you closer to your goals. Before people's brains melted down and ran out their ears from TDS, many were getting close to real class consciousness from the Sanders campaign. That alone made Sanders a worthy candidate to support back then.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 17:00 utc | 55
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 4 2024 13:39 utc | 21 A useful comment!
Last week 100,000 citizens protested in the streets demanding his immediate resignation — something that received absolutely zero coverage in Western media. There was still little mention of this in current mainstream Western coverage as a factor for the short-lived declaration of martial law.
That alone offers a plausible explanation as to why Yoon would be desperate enough to launch his attempted autogolpe now.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 15:14 utc | 37 This ape of reason falsely assumes Yoon had no possible reasons of his own to launch the action now, despite information to the contrary being clearly presented on this same webpage! It also assumes that Yoon couldn't possibly have felt emboldened to move without strong US support because Biden's lame duck administration couldn't provide anything after Jan. 20. This pretense of thinking is the stupidity. Again, the notion that Yoon would obey the lame duck Biden because, is the question that needs answered.
How did the coup fail? It nearly didn't. If the military had succeeded in blocking enough parliamentarians the coup would be consolidating today.
Did the NSA/CIA/etc. fail to provide timely signals intelligence on the movements of the parliamentarians? Or was it merely incompetence on their part or incompetence in planning the coup? Missing the opposition of the head of the PPP parliamentary faction was a big fail for either US intelligence or Yoon's men. But perhaps this is par for the intelligence of the intelligence community in both ROK and USA?
As to the failure of the troops to block parliament from meeting, the key point appears at this time to have been reluctance to shoot to kill. Was that because of disapproval from Gen. LaCamera passed on to his Korean subordinates, er, allies? Or was it the amazing democratic integrity of the majority of the Korean generals? Nobody in this country who isn't in the officer corps likely has much idea about LaCamera. He may be one of the Democratic Party/DEI wokist enemies within slated to be removed, possibly by the so-called warrior council bruited about by Trumpers. Or is he a Pyatt/Flynn type? Is there a military faction thinking the war against Russia is more important and a second front in the form of a Yoon crusade is not useful at this moment? All we know at this point is the record of the Korean military on violence against the people and mere democratic laws. It is not a good record.
I am a little surprised that the ape of reason did not claim that Yoon and the generals supporting him were prompted to haste because they feared Trump would work his divine powers to make peace erupt in Korea. The argument against that is that Trump didn't do it when he president before, why expect it will be different now?
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 4 2024 17:08 utc | 56
burak @54
I wouldn't (and didn't) vote for Trump regardless.
At the same time, anyone pretending to care about Palestinian or Lebanese people who voted for the party of the vapid cackle bitch is a disgusting and hypocritical retard.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 17:11 utc | 57
Posted by: Keme | Dec 4 2024 16:28 utc | 51
Very prescient comment!
Posted by: john | Dec 4 2024 17:12 utc | 58
We should thank the pale shade of Louis Proyect for informing us of the official State Department line about the attempted coup in South Korea. We'd have never known it without his effort! /s
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 17:15 utc | 59
William Gruff @57
"I wouldn't (and didn't) vote for Trump regardless."
Surprised, but sincerely glad to hear that.
"At the same time, anyone pretending to care about Palestinian or Lebanese people who voted for the party of the vapid cackle bitch is a disgusting and hypocritical retard."
Absolutely –just like the one who voted for the other genocider, Trump.
Posted by: burak | Dec 4 2024 17:27 utc | 61
Posted by: Keme | Dec 4 2024 16:28 utc | 51 Saw this after commenting but have to say, a good comment. Much more to the point than incoherent fantasies about Biden and Trump running the whole game. The people matter, even Korean people in ROK!
That said, absent leadership in the struggle against the Korean bourgeoisie, it's not clear that the people are on course to really change ROK. A commenter in the previous thread believed the people think it's just more politics. Well, historically, people may not care about politics, but...politics cares about them.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 4 2024 17:36 utc | 62
@snake
provide a percentage number for people who are well informed but not part of the top 4 percent.
Posted by: Ansocpol | Dec 4 2024 17:49 utc | 63
Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard any reports about any injuries or casualties at all? The live stream I watched yesterday had no sirens, no blue lights flashing, no screaming or shouting (other than some sporadic chanting). Everything seemed remarkably calm and unflustered, considering some of the breathless coverage in the legacy media.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 17:55 utc | 64
Posted by: nazcalito | Dec 4 2024 16:48 utc | 53
I second your call for a separate thread on this topic.
Posted by: john brewster | Dec 4 2024 18:01 utc | 65
OT - but there's a very interesting assessment of Trump's threats to BRICS+ (and anyone else) regarding "dedollarization" today in RT. A threat described as completely in line with the "bipartisan tradition of arrogant US over-reach".
"60% of all central bank reserves in the world are held in dollars, and nearly 90% of all foreign-exchange transactions are conducted in the US currency."
The summary of it all is quite simple: "repairing America’s place in the world will take genuine cooperation with others instead of more bullying."
Somehow or other, I just don't see that happening.
Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Dec 4 2024 18:15 utc | 66
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 4 2024 17:55 utc | 64
#############
I did Taekwondo as a kid.
Useless in a street fight.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2024 18:19 utc | 67
@monolycus #49, I am so glad to read your insights here, and glad to see you are still around. I was thinking about you in particular yesterday morning when I was first getting word of these events in SK, and hoping you might still be around and have some good thoughts and perspective to share.
Posted by: Maxcrat | Dec 4 2024 18:23 utc | 68
Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Dec 4 2024 18:15 utc | 66
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America could be a bully when it had no peers on the geopolitical stage.
It hasn't set in with Trump yet. As in "The Art of the Deal," a large part of Trump's negotiating strategy is based on establishing leverage, even on the thinnest of pretenses. Threats about canceling trade, raising tariffs, bringing "hell on Earth," etc., are attempts to create consequences for non-compliance and to avoid an actual confrontation.
At the end of Trump's first term, I saw that his enemies became emboldened every time he failed to follow through domestically.
We haven't yet seen what will happen when countries stop listening when he makes kinetic threats. Russia and China are not to be trifled with in that regard. All of that posturing for the MAGA fans that gets them so erect won't work with Putin or Xi. They will be polite, but they will not participate in a charade to make him look good back home. They too have domestic audiences to please, which increasingly think America is dysfunctional and dangerous.
The next 4 years should be very entertaining.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2024 18:32 utc | 69
Scott Ritter's geopolitical take on the Yoon affair and the Koreas may be of interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPcESZTjFQ
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2024 18:37 utc | 70
Anyone thinking ther will be elections in four years is'nt paying atention.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 4 2024 18:38 utc | 71
Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 4 2024 16:10 utc | 49
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Thank you for your logical insights about Korea.
I didn't think the US was involved either. If they wanted to put down the "liberals", there would have been a response by the American occupation forces to support the President, even a gentle one like moving troops into Seoul near government buildings.
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A consequence of living in a world with an Empire is that people begin to see the fingerprints of the Imperial state upon everything.
Not unlike under East German Communism. Not everyone was monitored at all times but they all started behaving like their family dinner conversations could send them to prison for one minor complaint or "dangerous" observation.
It's an irrational fear, cultivated by the worst actors in power.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2024 18:39 utc | 72
@41
“These are people who only accept responsibility for their actions when they are dealt copious amounts of real pain.”
I don’t know about that Mike, do you have any examples?
Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 4 2024 18:51 utc | 73
sorry b but this is too good to let it sit on a dead thread
Pepe Escobar: Syria
Posted by: ld | Dec 4 2024 18:55 utc | 74
OT--OT--OT-
I've actually been working but neglecting to link my articles here. Overall, four articles going from newest to oldest, "Illegal Congressional Sanctions Further Isolate Outlaw US Empire," https://karlof1.substack.com/p/illegal-congressional-sanctions-further
"Rehabbing Soldiers Talk to Putin," https://karlof1.substack.com/p/rehabbing-soldiers-talk-to-putin
"Col. Larry Wilkerson: "Let's Find Some People With Some Brains.,"" https://karlof1.substack.com/p/col-larry-wilkerson-lets-find-some
And "Putin's Discussion with Young Scientists," https://karlof1.substack.com/p/putins-discussion-with-young-scientists
At least one more will be produced today, which I'll notify when done.
Phillip Goldberg seems like Forrest Gump. Intrigued by B's pointing out of his expulsions from the Philippines and Bolivia, I looked him up in Wikipedia.
Turns out he was there as the US destroyed Yugoslavia.
"Goldberg served overseas as a consular and political officer at the U.S. embassy in Bogota, Colombia, and political-economic officer in Pretoria, South Africa.[2]
From 1994 to 1996, Goldberg served as the State Department's desk officer for Bosnia and a special assistant to Ambassador Richard Holbrooke.[2]
As special assistant to Ambassador Holbrooke, Goldberg was a member of the American negotiating team in the lead-up to the Dayton Peace Conference and chief of staff for the American delegation at Dayton.[2] "
They also put him in South Africa, Chile, Cuba, and Colombia. From 1998 to 2000, he served as executive assistant to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott. In 2000, he was the coordinator for Plan Colombia.
Damn! Dude has spent his life causing trouble, or so it seems.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 4 2024 18:59 utc | 76
Time to do away with embassies altogether, in my view, as they are used to meddle in other countries. |The first thing any country that has mass demonstrations should do is close the US embassy.
Posted by: D J G | Dec 4 2024 19:00 utc | 77
You tell 'em, William!
"No, you brain-phuqued retard, Trump isn't in office yet and has nothing to do with this crazy shit. This is your bat-shit craziness. This is on your "team".
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2024 15:14 utc | 37
LOL, they are hilarious. The Deep State is unloosing chaos and terror all over the world, most of it starting after Trump was elected, but somehow it is all Trump's fault, in their TDS-addled brains.
In a way it is, since he ran for president and was elected by sane Americans, thereby setting off this fury and destruction by the TDS "team". Yep, all Trump's fault.
If the Trump team does nothing else, cutting off the funds for the NGOs, as he has threatened to do, would make the world a better place.
Georgia has 3.7 million citizens and western sponsored 25,000 NGOs. I wonder if that has anything to do with the chaos and violence in the streets now, fully supported by Ursula fonda Lying, and the US State Dept. JK, I know it does.
Ya think?
Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 4 2024 19:11 utc | 78
"It seems in every regime-change plot of the US, a Zionist can be found as key agent. You keep looking, they will pop up"
@Matthias | Dec 4 2024 11:13 utc | 10
Indeed since the anglosaxons have planned it that way.
The entirely British Geopolitical move to create the colony in Palestine was meant to make the jews dependent of imperial protection, what we presently see illustrated in Gaza Libanon and Syria.
Thierry Meyssan in his latest article about ME correctly refers to Britains Herbert Samuel from 1916
"..In doing so, Netanyahu and Hamas obtained the support of the Anglo-Saxon secret services, faithful to the strategy set out in 1916 by Lord Herbert Samuel, whose son Edwin was a companion of Jabotinsky: to ensure that neither the Jewish State nor the future Palestinian State could ensure their security alone."
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Dec 4 2024 19:12 utc | 79
Posted by: Yeah, right | Dec 4 2024 10:37 utc | 6
And what would your particular blind spot be ?
Jewish power and control perhaps ?
"The deep state" and "no rhyme or reason", you sound befuddled, mayhaps ?
Its 2024 my friend, just go ahead and say it
The world is controlled and run by jews and their paid off or blackmailed Quisling traitors shabbos g0yim
All of the values of the Talmud are enforced in the west and on public display, along with all of the ways jews have been commanded to make warfare upon their enemies by their 'god'.
Posted by: ryanggg | Dec 4 2024 19:14 utc | 80
I have a lot of trouble understanding why so many commenters on this blog seem to think the Trump administration will counter the latest deep state/CIA/etc ploys to counter (viz. Syria, S Korea, Georgia, etc) along with the “end the war in 24 hours” promise by the old/new big honcho. It looks more like these actors are just beginning to cut loose, expecting Trump will walk in and further the whole lot, designed to somehow disrupt growing global alignment against the empire.
Posted by: Lonl | Dec 4 2024 14:29 utc | 24
Lonl, Trump will end all wars because he was elected on a peace platform. Like Zelensky. He even has the same jewish owners.
Also, Trump is "our guy". Because he said so.
Elon is also "our guy". Because he said so. He even copy pasted some of our memes. We can trust him and Trump (or be removed from X).
And besides, Trump was shot at by the "deep state". He must be a good guy if the bad guys shot at him. Criminals never shoot each other. And the flag moving into the million dollar camera shot--anyone questioning that is a science hater. And his line of sneakers, premade and ready to sell in celebration of the moment he threw off his shoe in a freemason ritual--also not possible to question. He's our guy after all. And did anyone mention that the deep state tried to shoot him?
See, here's a 1990s card game with Trump, his slogan, and even his fake bloody ear and the bullet trail.
It's... cute! Believing in any Trump conspiracy is bad. Trump's our guy. Doubters go to the concentration camp 5 minutes before the believers do.
Posted by: Jack M | Dec 4 2024 19:14 utc | 81
Goldberg played an important role in guiding Kosovo towards independence. In his next station - Bolivia - he tried to do something very similar: he supported there separatists in the East of the country who would like to secede.
Posted by: Wim | Dec 4 2024 19:33 utc | 82
@ Petri Krohn | Dec 4 2024 14:35 utc | 27
Sympathizing with North Korea by the parliament, which made the US get to the president, is as Petri says -- it lies at the bottom of the affair.
The US is still technically at war with DPRK which must continue to be US policy because it requires all those US bases China in the China area.
It's also in step with the standing US policy to be the world hegemon -- with no deviance being allowed. Let one country leave the corral and more countries would leave the US orbit.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 4 2024 19:43 utc | 83
A friend writes:
South Korea was not on my radar prior to the failed coup, so I don't have much to say about what happened. But I want to point out some of the context missing from the reporting or what passes for it these days.
Namely, what did Biden, the Pentagon, and the White House know about the attempted coup and when did it know it? Only a fool would believe the U.S. knew nothing because the Republic of Korea armed forces are under the command of the Pentagon.
There are actually three separate military commands in South Korea: US Forces Korea, the Combined Forces Command, and the U.N. Command. This is because South Korea is still technically at war with North Korea. It was South Korean tyrant Syngman Rhee who put ROK forces under U.S. command in 1950. And the ROK military didn't even begin to develop a senior staff until 1978.
Yet these three forces appear to be shells because the same U.S. four-star general is in charge of all of them. Check out his bio below. It seems like he's never met a country he hasn't wanted to invade. His hit list includes Panama, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria.
In the wake of this coup, there have been a few mentions of the Gwangju massacre in May 1980 while Jimmy Carter was president. Officially about 200 people died when ROK special forces crushed a pro-democracy student-led rebellion in the city. Other estimates are 1,000-2,000 killed. Few Americans know about it, unless you are Korean-American or on the left, but it was deadlier than the crushing of the Tianamen Square uprising in 1989. The US undoubtedly backed the massacre as it happened more than a week after the rebellion began, atrocities were carried out by ROK Special Forces, meaning elite fighting forces that would have been close to the US command, and there was no real ROK military command to speak of.
Look at the photos the AP pulled out of its archives to go with the news today. Notice how they refer to students as "rebels" and the government was simply recapturing the "riot-battered city." Talk about Manufacturing Consent.
I have yet to see any corporate publication explain that South Korea does not ultimately control its military. It has "operational control," but if war was to break out its military would be under U.S. command. Now, you can poke around, but what OPCON means in practice is confusing because the U.S. is running the show. See the links below.
One South Korean general explains, "In 1994, the United States transferred Armistice operational control (OPCON) to the South Korean military. In other words, South Korea would control its troops during peacetime. However, a US commander would assume control of troops in the event of war with North Korea. The general mood between US and ROK leadership was dependent on the personal characters of the individuals involved. Some valued the alliance, some paid it lip service, and some plainly ignored it."
Again, this is not clear but it sounds like U.S. commanders can run roughshod over the South Korean military: "lip service" or "plainly ignored it."
It seems the U.S. must have had advanced notice one way or another that President Yoon was going to seize power by force yesterday. Why aren't the media asking questions about this?
One last point, the public response was remarkable. Despite a dog-eat-dog economy so harsh it has spawned film and TV like Parasite and Squid Game, thousands of people poured out to push back against the coup. I don't know specifics, but I suspect decades of highly organized militant protests by workers and students has left is mark on the political culture there. I saw one report that a million-member trade union federation has called for a general strike until Yoon resigns. Can you imagine the AFL-CIO calling for anything like that? People are willing to put their lives on the line against masked goons with guns and riding in on tanks. I know there are many leftists in this country with similar courage. Liberals, however will run and hide in their favorite brunch spot at the first sign of trouble.
https://www.eastwestcenter.org/.../us-korea-military...
https://www.usfk.mil/About/
https://carnegieendowment.org/.../why-doesnt-south-korea...
https://www.rand.org/.../us-south-korea-opcon-transition...
Posted by: JAB | Dec 4 2024 19:43 utc | 84
Dun Groanin post number 9
Superb post my friend! Incidentally, my excellent son-in-law is Korean. Such a marvelous lad.
Best,
Áobh
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Dec 4 2024 19:54 utc | 85
Off Topic: The French government falls yet no new elections?
WTF?
I am not the smartest cookie on French parliamentary procedure [that's obvious, editor] but can some one smarter than I [not a significant hurdle, editor] please comment?
COL. Douglas Macgregor is someone who was intimately involved with s.korea
GOOD INTERVIEW: first half of interview details:
1.n.korean troops fighting in ukraine- FALSE
2.rationale, since n.korean troops fighting in Ukraine, logic to send s.korean troops to Ukraine
3.people do not believe in this logic
4.Macgregor had analyzed, for the s.koreans, the possibility of Koreans taking charge of their own troops, that USA has complete control over Korean peninsula, in the end, this possibility was not allowed!!!
5.definitely USA would have backed dictatorship completely, a leader whom US helped get elected in the 1st place
COL. Douglas Macgregor : Can Biden Extend the War in Ukraine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Xuo4Jf_lw
Posted by: Kim Sky | Dec 4 2024 20:19 utc | 87
Coup Attempt in South Korea: What Was It All About?
https://www.rt.com/news/608734-south-korea-coup-attempt/
"The political crisis that culiminated in South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol's short-lived attempt to declare martial law, which was lifted just five and a half hours after he declared it, did not come out of the blue.
While the opposition has been quick to spread its own narrative, there is no doubt that the situation is more complex and requires closer analysis..."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2024 20:19 utc | 88
@ JAB | Dec 4 2024 19:43 utc | 84
South Korea is still technically at war with North Korea
No.
July 27, 1953--Agreement between the Commander-in-Chief, United Nations Command, on the one hand, and the Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army and the Commander of the Chinese People's volunteers, on the other hand, concerning a military armistice in Korea.
The Korean People's Army encompasses the combined military forces of North Korea and the armed wing of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK).
The agreement established the Military Armistice Commission (MAC), consisting of representatives of the signatories, to supervise the implementation of the armistice terms, and the Neutral Nations Supervisory Commission (NNSC), composed of nations that did not participate in the conflict, to monitor the armistice's restrictions on the parties' reinforcing or rearming themselves. The role of the United States as the executive agent for the unified command.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 4 2024 20:30 utc | 89
The brief, almost comical military takeover in Seoul brought back dark memories of South Korea's last experience with martial law in May 1980, when the renegade general Chun Doo-hwan seized power in a rolling coup and sent airborne special forces to the city of Gwangju to quell the last outburst of demonstrations. His paratroopers massacred hundreds of pro-democracy demonstrators, sparking South Korea's first armed uprising since the Korean War and a six-day standoff between Gwangju’s citizens and the U.S.-backed South Korean military."Everyone thought that such an event could never happen in South Korea again,” Lee Jae-eui, who witnessed the Gwangju massacre and participated in the uprising, told Drop Site News just after learning of Yoon's action. “Now, exactly 44 years later, an unbelievable ‘martial law declaration’ was heard in a democratized South Korea,” he said. “I thought, what kind of joke is this?” The shadow of Gwangju was also noted in South Korean press coverage of the public’s anger at Yoon. “This feels like we are going through the May 18, 1980, Gwangju uprising again,” one woman at the scene in downtown Seoul told the JoongAng Daily. “You call this a country?”
Similar sentiments were heard throughout the country, from conservatives and progressives alike. Many recalled that former President Park Geun-hye, the daughter of the former dictator, had attempted in 2017 to use the Defense Security Command to declare martial law to forestall her impeachment by the National Assembly (she was thrown out of office and later convicted of corruption). But the generals held back, and several were later prosecuted when the plot was discovered.
Yoon, too, was facing impeachment. He is a former prosecutor who was elected in 2022 by a narrow margin (of 0.8 percentage points) in a vote partly determined by young men furious with the gains made by women in Korea's patriarchal society. Once in power, he sought to reform and improve the country’s export economy by cracking down on South Korea’s powerful labor unions. He attacked opponents of his economic and national security policies as “communists” and pro-North Korean agents. For months, his popularity has dropped to historic lows of just over 10 percent.
Some good background on the whole thing: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/south-korea-martial-law-yoon-biden-blinken?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2510348&post_id=152565123&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1908u&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email The article also notes Jimmy Carter's support of the Korean military in the 1980 uprising.
One commenter noted that the key was that the military was not willing to shoot to kill. Possibly because the younger officer corp would not go along with it.
Posted by: Mike R | Dec 4 2024 20:39 utc | 90
"All of the values of the Talmud are enforced in the west and on public display, along with all of the ways jews have been commanded to make warfare upon their enemies by their 'god'"
@ryanggg | Dec 4 2024 19:14 utc | 80
In the article 'The Cabbala: Gnosticism, Freemasonry, and Religious War
Larouchepub' in EIR November 3, 2000
I quote
"Francesco Zorzi from Venice brought the Cabbala to England
He personally transplanted these Cabbalistic ideas to
England, when he served as the chief “divorce counselor”
for Henry VIII, encouraging the king to dump his queen,
Catherine of Aragon, the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabel,
the monarchs who united Spain. The divorce, in favor of
the temptress Anne Boleyn, split England from the Catholic
Church, and ushered in the “English Reformation,” and
bloody Catholic-versus-Protestant fights in England and on
the continent, including England’s wars with Spain. As re
worked by John Dee and others, Zorzi’s De Harmonia Mundi
gave birth, in Seventeenth-Century Britain, to all of modern
Freemasonry, whose very name commemorates the Phoeni
cian masons who originally built Solomon’s Temple. The
32 paths of the Cabbala became the ascending degrees of
freemasonry, up to the highest, 33rd degree."
Elsewhere the Larouche associates mention that Talmud was also introduced to the English monarchy as well as the Maltese order. Perhaps after 1066?
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Dec 4 2024 20:50 utc | 91
Breaking: French National Assembly passes a no-confidence vote on Macron. Stick a fork in Emmanuel.
Posted by: Mike R | Dec 4 2024 20:50 utc | 92
Makes no sense. Why not wait until military and police are prepositioned before making the declaration. My sense is this was just a live exercise to gage reaction to a martial law declaration and precondition populations like the US for its introduction at some point in the Trump Administration
Posted by: Pete Lincoln | Dec 4 2024 20:52 utc | 93
The world is controlled and run by jews and their paid off or blackmailed Quisling traitors shabbos g0yim
Posted by: ryanggg | Dec 4 2024 19:14 utc | 80
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The "Jews" run the world.
And?
What next?
My favorite (simple) cognitive tool is to listen/read a statement, and then ask, "And?"
There are millions of people who can identify issues and complain about them.
Almost none of those people have a solution or approach to offer.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2024 20:58 utc | 94
canuck | Dec 4 2024 20:16 utc | 86
"Off Topic: The French government falls yet no new elections?"
The last French elections were already early elections, now after the motion of no confidence for the minority government of prime minister Barnier, this would be again early elections, but the French constitution forbids that. (Obviously you can't have one election after another in a too short period of time.)
The last elections took place, simply because Macron is so unpopular now; Marine Le Pen (far right) was actually the winner, but with tricks during the 2nd election process they managed to keep them out of government (they try to keep the far right out now in all European countries).
Which resulted in this unstable minority government, so it was foreseeable that the opposition would use the first opportunity to crash the whole thing.
(in this case the reason is a change of social security, which would have made e.g. prescription drugs more expensive, etc.)
Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 4 2024 21:02 utc | 95
@86 Canuck
"No new legislative elections can be held before July, because under the French Constitution, the National Assembly must remain in place for a minimum of one year."
Sort of like a rugby scrum where everyone just piles on, because in theory the ball is somewhere under it all, with Micron as conductor ?
Posted by: Ornot | Dec 4 2024 21:05 utc | 96
Posted by: cortomaltese | Dec 4 2024 21:02 utc | 95
Posted by: Ornot | Dec 4 2024 21:05 utc | 96
Thank you both for your apt explanations.
Twice in the last month i said 'something was afoot'
I was right 'something was afoot'
I suggest defending our selves.
As in 'selve defence'
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 4 2024 21:17 utc | 98
b please opena Syria thread
in last 24 hrs both ISRAEL and WHITE HELMETS have issued dubious "chemical weapons attack" warnings for Syria. Israel is taking it further saying it "will act" if any report of chemical attack takes place in Syria.
These talking points are definitely coordinated, which means the usual suspects are planning another theatrical 'chemical' global media event to provide a pretext for US/Israel military escalation & intensified regime change in Syria.
For those who aren't aware, the so-called "White Helmets" group are a western intelligence created pseudo 'NGO' funded by notorious CIA front org USAID (under US State Dept.), among other NATO-nation and Qatari sources.
https://x.com/21WIRE/status/1864364291828154780/photo/1
Posted by: ld | Dec 4 2024 21:23 utc | 99
B- where you at?? Its going down all over, Georgia Maidan, HTS storming Syria, US attacking PMF's and Syrian forces with airpower, Turkey/SNA/HTS attacking SDF, Iraq, Yemen and Hezbollah coordinated attacks on Israel..we need some new posts from you!
Posted by: James C | Dec 4 2024 21:23 utc | 100
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There's a lot of weird stuff happening in the world at the moment, including the bloody Turkish attack on Syria. Here in southern Africa the NATO-controlled media has been yapping in support of the attempted coup in Mozambique by a Christian fundamentalist IMF banker living in the white corporate Johannesburg enclave of Sandton, while slavering with delight at what they thought was going to be the defeat of the Namibian government (they won the election by a landslide to the media's chagrin).
I wonder if the US destabilisers are pulling out all the stops in anticipation of running into trouble after Trump's inauguration? He may not be too unhappy about any of the weird stuff, but he probably wants to fire the people responsible for it because most of them have been working to jail him.
Posted by: MFB | Dec 4 2024 9:51 utc | 1