Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 16, 2024
South Korea – Impeached Coup President ‘Aligned With Washington’s Values’

During the last years it has become obvious to even shallower minds that 'western values' are just a marketing slogan used to hide the enormous brutality with which the 'west' is trying to bend the world to its will.

Evidence can be found in many recent international news items: The genocide in Gaza – transmitted live for anyone to see, the baseless annulling of democratic elections in Romania, the applauding of the Jihadi takeover of secular Syria. Israel's creating of 'buffer zones' by stealing Syrian land is seen with sympathy while Russia is condemned for fighting NATO's decade old attempts to destroy its natural buffer zone of a neutral Ukraine.

All this has led to confusion. It necessitates that the rulers sell black as white, depict destruction as rebuilding, argue that sheer tyranny is an expression of democratic values.

For an example of the last point see this remark by the South Korean pro war propagandist Duyeon Kim in a recent New York Times piece which laments the loss of a U.S. controlled proxy for waging war in the Far East.

Impeachment in South Korea Has Cost Washington a Staunch Ally (archived)
President Yoon Suk Yeol shifted his country closer to Washington and stood up to Beijing. But that foreign policy could be recalibrated in the future.

“Washington couldn’t have asked for a better ally and partner than the Yoon government,” said Duyeon Kim, a fellow with the Center for a New American Security. “Until we know who South Korea’s president is, the U.S. just lost a key partner at the leader level whose personal conviction aligns with Washington’s values and approach to regional and global issues, particularly when dealing with authoritarian states.

The 'key partner' the U.S. has lost is the one who broke the constitution by declaring martial law, who illegally ordered military and police units to block the National Assembly of South Korea, who had planned to arrest the opposition leader as well as the leader of his own party, who even attempted to launch a 'limited war' with North Korea to justify his ambition for being a dictator.

Duyeon Kim is of course correct when she says that Yoon 'aligns with Washington's values' when one recognized that these values are in favor of destruction and plundering.

She is particularly correct when she says that Yoon liked the way the U.S. is dealing with authoritarian states which follow its leads. That is why he tried to remake South Korea into one.

But such double talk is obnoxious.

Its contradictions add up. The political center which uses it is starting to fold.

Comments

Posted by: nwwoods | Dec 16 2024 23:02 utc | 99
Pleeeaaaase!
The only thing to retain is that Z established an Unmanned Systems Force… will be the only one he’ll have in very little time 😀

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 16 2024 23:10 utc | 101

@ Andrew Sarchus | Dec 16 2024 22:46 utc | 92
re: Killing democracy in order to save democracy
There are several definitions of democracy —
>Democracy is a system of government where state power is vested in the people or the general population of a state
>Democracy, a system of government in which the people can vote to elect their representatives.
>Democracy is a country in which power is held by elected representatives.
Biden and others claim that (merely) the use of elections describe democracy. Unfortunately in the US an elected representative is a representative of financial interests, and not of the general population. And that doesn’t include an autocratic national leader, which we also have in the US.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2024 23:13 utc | 102

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 16 2024 22:42 utc | 91
The Kishi family was originally an army intelligence unit from the South Manchuria Railway era, and the OSS-CIA placed them under its umbrella. The same was true in Korea, where they became one entity called the KCIA-Unification Church, and acted under direct orders from the US as the Seiwa Kai, a powerful faction in Japanese politics. The same can be said for the Special Investigation Unit of the Tokyo District Public Prosecutors Office in Japan. If we are to talk about the connection from World War II, it is not fair to leave out the fact that they were America’s slave masters, and controlled both Japan and Korea. Under this powerful structure, there would be no way for Japan to colonize Korea. Rather, there is a history of Japan being eroded by the KCIA.

Posted by: sam | Dec 16 2024 23:21 utc | 103

If you don’t mind my adding to your comment: The works of Nietzsche’s published during his lifetime pose few serious editorial problems. Some of the posthumous ones do: *Ecce Homo*, for instance, but the editorial Pfuscherei wasn’t committed by his sister, who was largely responsible for selectively editing and attempting to systematize the random jottings and essays that she misleadingly published with the title *Der Wille zur Macht* (misleading because while Nietzsche toyed with the idea of writing a work with that title, nothing suggests that he meant to apply the title to the content that Nietzsche’s sister had published).
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 16 2024 21:37 utc | 81

I don’t mind at all. Your comment is interesting. My source:
http://www.nietzschesource.org/#eKGWB/EH
There is no problem about “Ecce homo”. It is on the list of the authorised manuscripts, like the “Antichrist”, and the former is imo one of the most interesting books where his megalomania shows completely. Written before his dementia, but already showing the signs of it. No more restrain, no more control on his thoughts about himself, the “genius”.
There is a plan for his book “Der Wille zur Macht” in the posthumous papers. Where is the problem with the book edited by the sister? The choice and the order of the unpublished texts written by him without thr reference to their date. Is it so important? Nope, because all those posthumous papers are now published in chronological order with their dates. And it does not change the meaning. The idea of der Wille zur Macht is also present in other works. Explicit or implicit. I will have to check if he wanted to apply that very title. What is sure is that his health was deteriorating very quickly in the Fall of 1888 as his correspondence testifies.
Did you read the biography by Janz?
You cannot understand his work if you think that he was not psychotic. He was. It was the cause of his dementia.
There is a long series of works to save the soldier Nietzsche. The sister was used for that purpose.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 16 2024 23:21 utc | 104

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 16 2024 22:52 utc | 94
Khazar Freeland went down as I understood.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 16 2024 23:24 utc | 105

Posted by: v | Dec 16 2024 15:57 utc | 9
It’s ironic that you have the audacity to tell someone to grow with a comment that sounds like 13 year old trailer trash wrote.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Dec 16 2024 23:25 utc | 106

@ LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2024 23:06 utc | 100
re: Family farming is a popular Western political narrative and yet no government does anything meaningful in the West to support it once they take office.
It’s left for Willie Nelson’s Farm aid concert annually since 1985. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2024 23:27 utc | 107

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2024 23:13 utc | 102
Democracy means power by the people.
Democracy does not exist. Nowhere. In the western countries, power belongs to the bourgeoisie. The governments closer to democracy are those doing the will of the majority of the people. Governements supported by a vast majority of the people.
It is necessary to understand that the power is not political, but economic and financial. There is no democracy in the economy and in the financial world.
Democracy is a propaganda word.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 16 2024 23:33 utc | 108

@ Naive | Dec 16 2024 23:24 utc | 105
yes, but looks like it opens the door to a vote of confidence in the canuck gov’t and a possible early election to get rid of trudeau, which whenever it happens, is a done deal… unfortunately canucks have no good choices, so he will be replaced by another servant of the oligarchs – probably pierre polevre, or however you spell the bozos name..

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2024 23:38 utc | 109

For many years, I have summarized the pillars of Western civilization as follows:
1. Racism
2. Extreme Violence
3. Cognitive Dissonance
You can see all of these at play during major events with Western involvement.
Posted by: Palm & Needle | Dec 16 2024 15:20 utc | 2
What a stupid take. Seriously.
EVERYTHING … EVERY FUCKING THING … you use to make stupid comments on this forum was imagined, invented and deployed by the “West.” Age of Enlightenment shit.
What, are you chasing down and spearing antelopes on the African plain to make a living? Are you wading hip deep in a rice paddy and waiting to die at 33 with Malaria in Laos? Dying of malnutrition in the Central African Republic?
I just always want to slap you European and American pussy pseudo-Communists. All you know is entitlement and a great life from American military protection and cheap Russian energy. It’s gone, now, tough guy. Make your way.
Racism? Get into 2024 Trotsky.

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Dec 16 2024 23:56 utc | 110

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2024 23:38 utc | 109
So… like in Germany where a pro-Tauris is likely to replace an anti-Taurus…
Same happened in England already.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 16 2024 23:57 utc | 111

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Dec 16 2024 23:56 utc | 110
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Oh look, the colonial racial supremacist has become triggered!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2024 0:03 utc | 112

Petri Krohn | Dec 16 2024 21:34 utc | 79
Thanks for the post.
John Ferguson, the CEO of Saxon Aerospace says nukes “went missing” from Ukraine in the 80s.
Hmm Soviet Union didn’t collapse till the 90s.
Both the U$ and successor state Russia were particular and cautious about stray nukes. In theory, all Ukraine’s nukes went to Russia.
If indeed there are “missing” nukes, (possible/ low likelihood, but sure, ok, anything is possible).
Me, if I were looking for “missing” nukes gone AWOL in 80s, (or 90s), the first place I’d look is under the sofa in Dimona, or a similar bunker in Israel.
No one else would be allowed to acquire so-called “missing” nukes with both the U$ and Russia shrugging and “oh, “missing” nukes, no worries”….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2024 0:13 utc | 113

Oh look, the colonial racial supremacist has become triggered!
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2024 0:03 utc |
Oh look, some internet tough guy who claims to “LoveDonbass”… but who is too much the pussy to ACTUALLY fight and die for either the DPR or LPR militias who paid the PRICE? Did you step up?
Do you have ANY clue what the real patriots of Donbass paid from 2014 and the beginning of this operation? Take a hike.

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Dec 17 2024 0:14 utc | 114

LoveDonbass @ 100:
I live in Australia so I do not know anything about farming for a living in Russia or China.
From a couple of documentaries I have seen on Youtube in the past, it is possible for Uyghur farmers in Xinjiang province to make a living farming cotton commercially. In the documentaries, the farmers relied on agricultural equipment like harvesters (imported from the US: they are manufactured by the John Deere company) to sow cotton seed and harvest those cotton crops grown for industrial purposes. For cotton crops grown for textile production, the farmers hired student labour to handpick the cotton.
Of course you know that in Western MSM discourse, these farmers are not independent entrepreneurial types running their own farms but are mere slave labour relying on other slave labour (especially child slave labour) to sow the seed and harvest the crops. Perhaps I should stop believing what my own lying eyes are telling me.

… Family farming is a popular Western political narrative and yet no government does anything meaningful in the West to support it once they take office.

In Canada, and once upon a time Australia too, the dairy industry uses a market sharing quota structure to determine how much milk individual dairy farmers should produce.

The Market Sharing Quota (MSQ), In Canadian agricultural policy, is the federally-determined target for the amount of industrial milk to produce nationwide each year as part of its policy of supply management.[1] It is determined by estimating the domestic demand for dairy products on a butterfat basis, adding about 3% to cover exports and subtracting the volume of approved imports.
Provincial shares of the national quota are adjusted in line with changes in the total, and each province allocates its share to its producers according to its own quota policies. The Canadian Dairy Commission sets a target price for industrial milk based on production costs, including a return to labour, capital and management. Dairy farmers receive a payment from their provincial marketing board on in-quota deliveries of industrial milk. Farmers who produce in excess of their quota do not receive payments and, in some provinces, may face a financial penalty. Each province maintains and administers its own quota scheme for fluid milk.

The reason the milk supply is regulated in this way is to keep the price of milk stable. Overproduction can reduce the price of milk to a level where the costs of production in some parts of Canada end up exceeding its overall price. Overproducing farmers in one part of Canada can put other dairy farmers in other parts of Canada out of business.
In Australia, where the quota system went the way of the dinosaur, farmers are forced by the major supermarkets Coles and Woolworths (which deliberately keep the price they pay for milk low) to overproduce milk in order to try to cover their production costs. Over time though, farmers who keep overproducing but just manage to make ends meet are going to be one season or year away from bankruptcy and having to sell their farms.
There is a reason that farmers are sometimes paid or encouraged to limit the amount of what they produce.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 17 2024 0:34 utc | 115

Found on Life Boat News website: a link to a Nitter post comparing SK President Yoon’s plans to a movie plot.
South Korean media revealed Yoon Seok yeol’s ambitious “plans”:
1. Arrest members of parliament, including the leader of his own party, Han Dong wook.
2. Make the Army Special Operations Unit (HID), specialized in infiltration and decapitation operations against North Korea, wear North Korean military uniforms, pretend to be North Korean soldiers, and “rob prisoners” on the escort route.
3. Make the fake NK soldiers engage in a firefight with the escort troops, find an opportunity to kill the ruling party leader Han Dong wook, but rescue opposition party members.
4. the fake NK solders then were “defeated” by the second wave of reinforcements from the South Korean army and fled during the chaos, burying the North Korean military uniforms in a specific location and then been “discovered” at the right moment.
5. Yoon Seok yeol then announced the following two things after discovering the NK uniforms:
Firstly, North Korean spies have infiltrated and killed Yoon’s own parter leader, Han Dong wook;
Secondly, opposition party lawmakers and party leader Lee Jae myung were “rescued” by NK soliders, so they are must be NK spies.
6. Have HID kill several US soldiers stationed in South Korea, and then have the US to bomb North Korea and ignite the flames of war on the peninsula. In this way, Yoon Seok yeol can reasonably impose martial law, dissolve the parliament, amend the constitution, and remain the wartime president forever.
Wow, I thought South Koreans only make up these in movies.

So President Yoon’s plan included a sub-plot to drag North Korea into a false flag attack using SK intel agents dressed as NK soldiers and killing his own party leader Han Dongwook and several US soldiers stationed in SK as collateral damage.
SK film directors Bong Joonho and Park Chanwook would eat their hearts out to read a film script as wacky and cynical as this one.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 17 2024 0:55 utc | 116

This thread will cause apoplexy to that Zionist joker “Milites”. Not only b exposes the western duplicity towards the Zionist regime tat “Milites” wholeheartedly supports vs Russia, it involves an anti-communist fascist President in South Korea. Worse, the comment section has gone on fire on the Cold War claptrap that has been used with such success by the Anglo-American elites to achieve the restoration of fascism in the western world after its military defeat in WWII.
Posted by: Constantine | Dec 16 2024 18:39 utc | 54

Gammon
Noun British English
1 [mass noun] ham that has been cured or smoked like bacon.
Examples: I ate a plateful of gammon, eggs, and chips; [as modifier] gammon steaks.
2 British English informal, derogatory: a middle-aged or older white man with conservative, traditionalist views, stereotypically characterized as having a red or flushed complexion.
Examples: they had a discussion with some gammon who thinks climate change is a lie; even the gammons were forced to admit that, actually, he’s a dab hand at the classics.
Gammon on on Wikipedia

Posted by: Lengai | Dec 17 2024 0:57 utc | 117

I hope everyone here realizes we’re right into one of the most transformational times in Human History. It is. Precipice of Armageddon.
I’m sanguine. Hate Trump all you want but he’s thrown a HUGE wrench into the Globalist campaign. Just because they have zero idea about him.

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Dec 17 2024 1:09 utc | 118

Trump’s a businessman. A BUILDER. He built skyscrapers in Manhattan and Chicago. He dealt with all the crap throughout his NYC career but he and his sons ALWAYS visited the blue collar union guys who were making it happen. He’s a deal maker … and THAT is how we need to live our lives. And run a Country. Be optimistic World. We are!

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Dec 17 2024 1:29 utc | 119

Communism isn’t dead. Communism is an ideology. To assert that it’s dead is to assert capitalism is dead. As long as there is capitalism, there will undoubtedly be communists. There are communists, still, in Russia, the US and just about every other country on earth.
Posted by: zeke2u | Dec 16 2024 17:10 utc | 30
The majority of the communists left in the world are politicians in the US.
True capitalism hasn’t existed in the US since about 1973 when it was perverted into crony capitalism. That’s all they’ve had since.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Dec 17 2024 1:32 utc | 120

substituting international law for their rule based order,
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Is this meant to mean “substituting their rule-based order for international law”?

Posted by: Jane | Dec 17 2024 1:45 utc | 121

I just always want to slap you European and American pussy pseudo-Communists. All you know is entitlement and a great life from American military protection and cheap Russian energy. It’s gone, now, tough guy. Make your way.
Racism? Get into 2024 Trotsky.
Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Dec 16 2024 23:56 utc | 110
That’s next level dumbassery there cockroach. Never go full retard.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Dec 17 2024 1:46 utc | 122

Family farming is a popular Western political narrative and yet no government does anything meaningful in the West to support it once they take office.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2024 23:06 utc | 100
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Family farming is quickly becoming a thing of the past. Cooperate farms have taken over most family farms, and the family often remains with the farms as wage workers.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 1:57 utc | 123

“Ukraine unveils laser weapon capable of downing aircraft.”
Posted by: nwwoods | Dec 16 2024 23:02 utc | 99
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“Ukraine has a laser weapon Tryzub, capable of shooting down aircraft at altitudes exceeding 2 kilometers, stated Vadym Sukharevskyi, Commander of the Unmanned Systems Forces, according to Interfax-Ukraine.
“Ukraine is now the fifth country to have such laser technology. Currently, we can down aircraft at over 2 km altitude using this laser,” Sukharevskyi stated.”
From the article.
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I wonder who the other five countries are. Could Russia be one? Or is this more bloviating PR coming from Ukraine? We will see.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 2:10 utc | 124

@Bacon:
“The difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That’s the only difference.”
Indeed. Can we add AIPAC, Zionist billionaires and the MIC to that?
The US is a fascist state and has been such for awhile.

Posted by: Kay | Dec 17 2024 2:17 utc | 125

Its completely natural that S. Korea be a very close ally of the USA. The second largest population of Koreans outside of Korea itself is in the USA. As an example, KoreaTown (K-Town) in Southern California is a goodly portion of the Downtown Los Angeles area.
The more perplexing question is why there are so many ‘insert foreign country’ towns in Southern California? This indicates special interests illegally selling away ownership / influence in major sections of major cities. Not a good practice one would assume?

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Dec 17 2024 2:23 utc | 126

No suprise to me that this happened under the Joe Brandon adminstration in the US. THE UNI PARTY THAT SELECTED BRANDON WAS BEHIND THE ELECTION RIGGING AND SET UP ON JANUARY 6TH. The Biden Harris administration coached Brazil on how they could do the same thing, why not Korea to?

Posted by: Fortuna | Dec 17 2024 2:47 utc | 127

The majority of the communists left in the world are politicians in the US.
True capitalism hasn’t existed in the US since about 1973 when it was perverted into crony capitalism. That’s all they’ve had since.
Posted by: Screwdriver | Dec 17 2024 1:32 utc | 120
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Define TRUE CAPITALISM.
Capitalism is an economic system that changes over time, just as everything changes. Slavery and feudalism also changed during its time, as the dominant economic systems in the world. So, pick a date and define a real and nonreal Feudalism or a real and nonreal slavery. For example, the invention of the cotton gin in the antebellum South changed the character of chattel slavery in the US; it changed the way slaves were used on cotton plantations, but chattel slavery remained slavery.
The same is true of capitalism today: Finance capitalism is now dominant over industrial capitalism, but this wasn’t true during and after WW2 when the world needed a robust industrial base to fight the war and rebuild Europe and Asia after the war. If I remember correctly, in 1971, the U.S. abandoned the gold standard under Nixon, shifting to fiat money to afford more financial flexibility. No current national currency uses the gold standard anymore, allowing floating exchange rates and central bank control over money. That is your “perverted” finance capitalism, but it is still capitalism: The most exploitive economic system known to humanity in the services to a small minority class. Don’t blame that on the communists.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 2:55 utc | 128

Lengai:
I would also add (or ask) – Does China allow usurious private central banking? I only know a little on the country besides what I’ve learned here and – of even less value – what I’ve learned on corporate sponsored trips to industrial areas of China when I was in a position akin to Product Manager for an engineering and IT firm. Basically I’ve been to the special economic zones and that’s all – I wish I had been able to travel the countryside.
Anyway, I’m of the opinion that what the West (aka the central bankers and their oligarch owners) really hate about China is that they aren’t party to the usurious rent seeking Mammon worshiping cult of western private finance and/or have not and will not open various sectors of public Chinese life to them. Similar, in fact for Russia, Iran and others for slight variations on the same reason.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2024 2:57 utc | 129

And now? What happens? Sounds to me that South Korea will continue to be a usa vassal. So, nothing new under the sun.

Posted by: António Lico | Dec 17 2024 3:00 utc | 130

Anyway, I’m of the opinion that what the West (aka the central bankers and their oligarch owners) really hate about China is that they aren’t party to the usurious rent seeking Mammon worshiping cult of western private finance and/or have not and will not open various sectors of public Chinese life to them. Similar, in fact for Russia, Iran and others for slight variations on the same reason.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2024 2:57 utc | 129

The growth of finance capital occurs as part of the decline of a centre of capital accumulation. For example, the UK, which today consists of an offshore banking sector with some light industry attached, is particularly advanced along this path of decline, the US somewhat less so.
Fundamentally, the difference between the US and China is one between a declining hegemonic centre of capital accumulation and a possible replacement. Thus the US finds itself in the precarious position where the UK was in relation to Germany after 1870 or the US after the civil war.

Posted by: Lengai | Dec 17 2024 3:27 utc | 131

Posted by: Lengai | Dec 17 2024 3:27 utc | 133
All due respect, but that comment either 1) does not contain enough information upon which to base a response (or retort) or 2) doesn’t answer my fundamental point.
What, exactly, are you saying about China and its current status/direction?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2024 3:58 utc | 132

Speaking of China, here’s a LENGHTY post from Ron Unz and another reason that I have a lot of respect for the man, even though he platforms some opinions that I fundamentally disagree with (or find massive logical fault lines that are usually unaddressed/glossed over):
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-propaganda-hoaxes-vs-chinese-reality/
It will take HOURS to get through the videos alone.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2024 4:00 utc | 133

As an American, I despise what my country has become. The people have zero control over the gangsters and criminals that have taken over the US government. They have made us complicity in the vilest genocide and war crime that has occurred since WW2. What hope except to hope other countries will successfully balance against the US and hold the USA accountable for its crimes.

Posted by: deepel | Dec 17 2024 4:53 utc | 134

Some of the posts are flying right over me.
I simply have no clue what people are trying to say!

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 17 2024 5:28 utc | 135

is it possible to be a career farmer in Russia and/or China, and if so, can one make a healthy living at it in order to support a generational business?

no idea about China.
A significant group of German and Austrian Farmers moved to Russia and established private farming enterprises there from the 90ties onward.
Should have a good outlook now with the movement to foreign substitution …
( some TV documentaries were done. Interesting )

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 17 2024 6:30 utc | 136

Family farming is quickly becoming a thing of the past. Cooperate farms have taken over most family farms, and the family often remains with the farms as wage workers.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 1:57 utc | 123
In the United States during WW II there was a desire to have as big an army as possible. In an effort to get more farm boys into the army, the government had the universities develop more labor efficient methods of farming. Along with other stuff, that generally produced larger scale farms. Following the war, the government’s interest in farms and farming was retained. Operating under the claim that farmers had to go larger scale to survive, the government promoted the consolidation of farms with easy credit. It all worked out and most family farms disappeared when the farm was bought out by the neighboring family farmer. Once the scale was big enough to justify it, they did generally incorporate, but it was almost never outside interests buying up farmland. Currently that appears to be changing. For some reason Bill Gates, the mainland Chinese and other sources of wealth are buying up farmland. Gates is now billed as the largest holder of farmland in the United States.

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 17 2024 6:36 utc | 137

Some of the posts are flying right over me.
I simply have no clue what people are trying to say!
Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 17 2024 5:28 utc | 141
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Consider yourself lucky. A lot of mental illness visiting the bar today.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2024 6:37 utc | 138

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 16 2024 17:24 utc | 32
“Maybe of interest: https://www.cnas.org/support-cnas/cnas-supporters
Thanks Steven.
Interesting to note that several entities associated with South Korea appear in the donors list. Not sure if they are legitimate Korean entities, or just fronts for CIA/Dep’t of State money laundering, but neither would surprise me.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 17 2024 6:41 utc | 139

“It is premised on the unchecked nihilism which is the logical conclusion of materialism, where worship of the human as the greatest power or force in existence.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2024 16:02 utc | 10
This comment (just the end of it) really bothers me…….where is that worship of the human? Am I missing something?

Posted by: Lubica | Dec 17 2024 6:41 utc | 140

Posted by: Lubica | Dec 17 2024 6:41 utc | 146
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You haven’t explained what you think, making it difficult for me to determine how far apart we are in thinking.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2024 6:50 utc | 141

You can replace ‘aligned with Western values’ with ‘accept the digital sovereignty of the US and all uts consequences’.

Posted by: Tom | Dec 17 2024 8:29 utc | 142

1) does not contain enough information upon which to base a response (or retort) or 2) doesn’t answer my fundamental point.
What, exactly, are you saying about China and its current status/direction?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2024 3:58 utc | 136

Apologies for being unclear. China is seen by the US ruling class as the most serious threat to the US position as the hegemonic power. My view is that the US today is in a similar position to that which the UK found itself in with respect to the rising industrial power of Germany in the first decade of the twentieth century. At that point, although Britain had built up and retained larger financial investments across the globe than Germany, it had already been eclipsed by Germany as an industrial power.
As to likely developments in China, there is no indication that the programme of the CPC is directed towards superseding capitalism as a social system. Rather it appears to me that the CPC’s programme is one of creating an independent centre of capital accumulation and that, for the CPC elites, this is an end in itself.
As to future developments in China, these are impossible to predict. However, reformist social democracy in the west which was built on the premise that the excesses of capitalism could be contained to the benefit of working classes in Europe has been an abject failure. This failure was not simply because of the shortcomings, many as they were, of individuals like Gustav Noske or Philipp Scheidemann. The project failed because the internal dynamics of capitalism, which is by definition capital accumulation for its own sake, make the project of reforming and taming capitalism a losing proposition.
I am sceptical that the CPC will in the long run be any more successful in the project of taming the capitalist beast than their European social democratic predecessors were in the last century.
That is not to say that the CPC will fail at it in the same way way that the European social democrats did. In fact one can almost guarantee that the CPC will apply their considerable genius to finding new and original ways to do fail at building a viable society on the foundations of capital accumulation for its own sake..

Posted by: Lengai | Dec 17 2024 9:31 utc | 143

Posted by: Jm | Dec 17 2024 6:59 utc | 148
“Lol at all the Marxist fanbois.You fukn starfucker mugs.”
Could you please expound upon your thesis a little further? No, don’t actually, I’m just kidding.
Some of us are here to learn from those more experienced and nuanced in their thinking than themselves.
It’s why I generally keep my ignorant mouth shut and just ponder what I’ve read, try to cross-reference, and expand my understanding.
I’d suggest the same approach may be of great benefit to you.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 17 2024 9:54 utc | 144

NigelTufnel11 @118: “Hate Trump all you want but he’s thrown a HUGE wrench into the Globalist campaign.”
Give credit where it is due. Trump only won because a very large portion of the US population is rejecting the Establishment’s efforts to program them and are deliberately acting counter to big business mass media’s and academia’s efforts to herd them.
Not enough class consciousness there for revolution, but the population spontaneously coalescing around a seed like that against the Establishment’s best efforts to disrupt the process shows society is overripe for rebellion.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 17 2024 11:20 utc | 145

The American Empire pushes its tyranny under the guise of democracy and rules because it works. Most leaders have a nice life. They won’t have a nice life if they anger the Empire or are a threat to the Jews.
Muslim nations understand this thus the lack of active support for Palestinians. It is also why the Iranians elected a centrist who ways to mend fences with the empire and the Jews. They want nice lives but sanctions.
Fortunately, there are bright spots like China, Russia, Hungary, Slovakia, Belarus, the Sahel and the various other countries in BRICs. They are still very cautious and are wary of offending Jews but they are starting to rebel.
Amusingly the division between the rules based order and sane countries is being widened not by events like the genocide in Palestine but by the anal revolution. The Empire demands that anal sex between men must be celebrated and encouraged. Countries in the rules based order are required to fly the anal flag from government buildings or else! The rest of the world doesn’t fly the anal flag. An easy tell.

Posted by: My Comment | Dec 17 2024 11:23 utc | 146

I have failed to understand for some considerable time what the purpose is in responding to the dropkicks,arseholes & lunatics who drop in here from time to time. You will never convince any of them that their thoughts are ignorant, foolish, evil-minded or lunatic, no matter how obvious that is to everyone else. That point is the crux because not only is it impossible to convince the person him/her self but the rest of the bar are all well aware of the inherent worthlessness of the posts made by aforesaid dropkicks,arseholes & lunatics.
Responding only encourages them & causes threads to be screwed up more, so how about some self-discipline & the decision to skate past the nonsense, otherwise the thread loses any cogency & is reduced to a boring shit-show of the type you can read anyday, every page on reddit, twitch, X et al.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 17 2024 11:27 utc | 147

I love hearing that. “Shared values ” like the West has any . Trannies corruptions pardoning those meant for jail , hell promoting those that should be in jail. Diversity hire over competition, not one western value I adhere to . It’s why I left the western influence and now live in cambodia with hundreds of others escaping as political prisoners of conscience . We can’t cope with the mind warping bullshit fed daily to those with beaks pointed to the sky

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 17 2024 13:06 utc | 148

Irrational behavior is a symptom of being controlled by others.

Posted by: jared | Dec 17 2024 13:07 utc | 149

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2024 18:44 utc | 78
nato is the sole cause of this nato-russia war and ukraine is the proxy place.
<=NATO is not a cause, it serves as a convenient proxy for Class I and II intentions. Its purpose is to use the nation state NATO member governments as a money siphon.. Its method is to extract sufficient wealth from the masses (Class 4 persons) to enable the conduct of wars that open for Classes I and II persons new markets and to strengthen Class 1 and Class II possession of the monopoly powers that have made classes I and II people so powerful. If (NATO) is eliminated or if NATO fails a new proxy will be created to carry on in the place of NATO. =IMO, the only effective remedy involves changing the positions of Class I and Class II people in each of the prisons(nation states) that constitute the system which divides the humanity of the world into 256 different armies. From____as arranged to conduct war______to_____ As arranged for peace. Class 1 people (Oligarch, deep state)__________Class 4 people (the masses ) Class II( global monopoly corps)_______________Class 3 (the Government) Class III( the government)_____________________Class 2 (global monopoly corps) Class IV ( the masses )________________________Class 1 (the Oligarch, deep state ) The driving force for war comes from needs of the people in Classes 1 and 2. Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 13 2024 19:16 utc | 105 Manipulation of consciousness by the ruling financier elites is calculated to stem, or at least delay their ultimate demise...as the number of "unbelievers" continues to mount...particularly amongst the younger generations. <= yes I agree the younger generations are beginning to grasp the lies.. evidence the 26 yr old who killed the wealthy President of United health care.. is an expression of that understanding. Each day the bastards involved in health care, medicine and housing are squeezing more and more out of the patients and customers and returning in services and housing less and less.. Maybe the health care system and the housing system should be nationalized and everyone be provided free quality medical and an ample housing. Globally, patent and copyright monopoly powers created from hot thin air by rule of law should not apply to anything medical, pharmaceutical, housing, food or education. Access to Medicine, pharmaceuticals, housing, education, and food {MPHEF}should be considered human rights entitlements. Every state in the nation state system should be obligated to provide its citizens before any legislature or ruler can budget or spend one dime of the tax payers money on military. No for-profit entity should be allowed to be invovled with any of these five areas. It is monopoly powers that make Class 2 global multinationals so powerful> This power gives then an advantage in extracting from the general population the best human capital available: above average wages, access to medical insurance, long term -funded retirement plans, and privileged access to medicine not only acts as incentives to attract talent from the general population but it also takes the best talent out of economic competition with the big guys.
I believe the UN charter needs to require clauses that outlaw “profit making” or “possession or use of monopoly power by anyone doing business in any of the five MPHEF areas”.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 13 2024 19:20 utc | 108
Ultimately, [en masse migration to the hinterlands ]..will become a template for awakening people right across the planet, most particularly here in the U$$A, as centralization and urbanization has been highly effective in depriving people of any sense of community.
<= hinterland migration may fire the start gun that brings about a hierarchical rearrangement. The positions of the classes in the power hierarchy might change. (see schema above ).. Americans are not happy with being treated as prisoners in a nation state owned by a very few.. Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 13 2024 19:29 utc | 115 Please [speaking to Tonyk @100 ]give us some details on those Western "high-tech weapons" which have frightened the Russians into holding back. We are all ears...and eyes. So come out with it. We are waiting. <= yes, I have upped the volume on my hearing aides to hear TonyhK's answer .. Posted by: Naive | Dec 16 2024 23:33 utc | 108 IRT Democracy means power by the people<= Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2024 23:13 utc | 102 Democracy does not exist. Democracy is a propaganda word. <== power by the people Democracy exist only for those global bearers of chaos, war, regime change, Trojan infiltrated governments, death and destruction by Terrorism, poverty, starvation, and unparalleled monopoly power. As subscribers to the ideology of Economic Zionism..they control the governments, the economies, the banking systems, the natural resources, the industrial outputs, the commercial outputs AWAE people trapped, isolated and indoctrinated who live locked up in a locally managed national jail. These jails collectively make up the nation state system (the nation state system is a prison, its sovereign nations are jails, its jails are indoctination centers). Collectively the nation state system makes slaves of all Class 4 persons in the world (no one escapes nation state incarceration). For the most part, class I and class II persons own you, me, our children, our teachers, our politicians and everything of value the world has to offer. So to everyone who is not among the few (Class 1 person) or who is not a privately owned, publically financed multi national entity, Democracy and monopoly powered capitalism are words that carry with them, a false and misleading and often terrifying propaganda. The nation state system captures and uses everyone in the world from birth to death. It forces its captives to provide for the needs and wants of those who have the power to control or influence its outputs. We the common people of the world. If we the slaves were in command of the nation state system, the few would be condemned to behave, the few would have to learn to control their greed, the few would have to learn to contribute to the common good for all. There should be but one propaganda to indoctrinate the people in the world, but the few have used the nation state system they control to indoctrinate class 4 persons. At least 256 different propagandas are visible. Those different propagandas are used to manipulate the people of one nation against the people of target other nations. This manipulation makes the people of both nations victims and the owners of the both nations richer and more powerful. Humanity was not meant to be divided, humanity was not meant to be raised as warriors so its members could fight each other, humanity was meant to work together, humanity was meant to create a better more comfortable world for the current and coming generations. Humanity has no duty to the nation state (patriotism is a theme song invented to manage nation state prisoners. The prisons each sing to the same tune but the words of the song they sing have been amended to accommodate divide and conquer strategies. Posted by: Ed | Dec 17 2024 2:55 utc | 128 Finance capitalism is now dominant over industrial capitalism, but this wasn't true during and after WW2 when the world needed a robust industrial base to fight the war and rebuild Europe and Asia after the war. <= if you look at the ideology of economic zionism (king of the mountain idealism, none but the few are entitled anything and whoever dies in the fight to attain access to the top is justified) you can track the changes in the various economic systems. Capitalism is an expression of economic zionism. At first that idealism was in expressed as competitive capitalism, then the ideology of economic zionism morphed competitive capitalism into monopoly powered capitalism, and now it has as you say become financial capitalism. Yet, in all of its expressions the underlying ideology supporting capitalism is economic zionism. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2024 2:57 utc | 129 I'm of the opinion that what the West (aka the central bankers and their oligarch owners) really hate about China is that they aren't party to the usurious rent seeking Mammon worshiping cult of western private finance and/or have not and will not open various sectors of public Chinese life to them. Similar, in fact for Russia, Iran and others for slight variations on the same reason. <=maybe said another way, the hate becomes internalized because of the ideology that drives economic zionism.. competition of any kind, any where, actual, potential or imagined is a threat to the progress and survival of the guy trying to become king of the mountain. This explains the hate for Russia as well I think. Posted by: Lengai | Dec 17 2024 9:31 utc | 150 China is seen by the US ruling class as the most serious threat to the US position as the hegemonic power. <= right on..! Only one can be king of the mountain.

Posted by: snake | Dec 17 2024 13:35 utc | 150

Thus the US finds itself in the precarious position where the UK was in relation to Germany after 1870 or the US after the civil war.
Posted by: Lengai | Dec 17 2024 3:27 utc | 133
Closer to 1887, and unlike the us that took until 1890 to reign in the robber barons, china has done so some years ago.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 17 2024 13:44 utc | 151

The president in South Korea was very unpopular. He was elected with a very tiny margin. He had only an approval rating of 17%. he was seen in South Korea to be too close to the US and was ignoring South Korea’s “sovereign interests”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n15gwAB3ek
(lenght: 1 hour and 25 minutes)
In the vidoe South Korean journalist KJ Noh gave an interview to the “Burning Archive”.

Posted by: WMG | Dec 17 2024 14:26 utc | 152

K.J. Noh:
“Does the US Want to Make Taiwan the New Ukraine?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgmNPcdqloo
Quote from the video: “The US is preparing Taiwan for war with China”
Length: 13 minutes.
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“KJ Noh: The US is already engaged in a multi-faceted hybrid war on China”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIeE6VWbEBo
Length: 20 minutes

Posted by: WMG | Dec 17 2024 14:46 utc | 153

Some of the posts are flying right over me.
I simply have no clue what people are trying to say!
Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 17 2024 5:28 utc | 141
Thanks, your comment brought me back from the brink lol

Posted by: Chris N | Dec 17 2024 15:00 utc | 154

Hi b
You write in this posting:

All this has led to confusion. It necessitates that the rulers sell black as white, depict destruction as rebuilding, argue that sheer tyranny is an expression of democratic values.

 
This brought to my remembrance a passage from scripture, here it is for you:

[Woe to the Wicked]
· Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
· That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
· Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
· Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
· Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
· Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Book of Isaiah, chapter 5, verses 18 to 23, KJV

It is a mindest based on godlessness. In that state –I call it The State of Anomaly in my article titled “eve-el„– it becomes meaningless what they say. They use words, terms and definitions as it suits the purpose of their selfish interests, regardless of whether it contradicts what those words, terms and definitions are meant to mean.
Sincerely,
George
prophet.am

Posted by: George | Dec 17 2024 16:50 utc | 155

Lengai ( Dec 17 2024 9:31 utc | 150 ) wrote (in a very interesting comment):

“As to likely developments in China, there is no indication that the programme of the CPC is directed towards superseding capitalism as a social system. Rather it appears to me that the CPC’s programme is one of creating an independent centre of capital accumulation and that, for the CPC elites, this is an end in itself.”

Which makes perfect sense for China if the following is correct:
· The Chinese government regards capitalism as a tool to be employed by the state/government.
· The US government regards the state/government as a tool to be employed by capitalism.
🙂
In those two bullet points it would make sense to give the Chinese government a descriptive name such as communist/socialist, however it doesn’t really make any sense to call the US government capitalist (or even fascist) in the same way when they’re only a tool. Hmm… (I’m not entirely sure about this, maybe it’s taking things too far or maybe it is sensible enough).
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Also very interesting comment from William Gruff ( Dec 17 2024 11:20 utc | 153 ):

“Not enough class consciousness there for revolution, but the population spontaneously coalescing around a seed like that against the Establishment’s best efforts to disrupt the process shows society is overripe for rebellion.”

And then there’s “the anal revolution” (whoa! LOL!) identified by the person “My Comment” ( Dec 17 2024 11:23 utc | 154 ):

“The Empire demands that anal sex between men must be celebrated and encouraged. Countries in the rules based order are required to fly the anal flag from government buildings or else! The rest of the world doesn’t fly the anal flag. An easy tell.”

Haha and “Yikes!” but very insightful and to the point XD (and what a fittingly awful and silly name for that revolution/upset; much better than the 60ies nonsense about a “sexual revolution” (maybe nothing but a very large ongoing MK-ULTRA-style experiment in exploitative manipulation)).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 17 2024 17:01 utc | 156

There’s been a good discussion on this thread about socialism and communism. The prospect of a new multi-polar system rests on the idea of a “sufficient material wealth for all” which allows each country to develop and also “to have all necessary and social wealth to survive and thrive”. Our familiar, exploitative system, is indifferent to a rising standard of living across the globe, and could care less if capitalism’s bottom line invites the extraction tech that holds back local development and contaminates rivers and ground water.
The empire and its monopolistic instruments (including its lion’s share of the information space) is willing to burn individual countries to the ground, if that’s what it takes to secure a dominant place in the world. A system like that is always in need of slaves and other captured and expendable people.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 17 2024 17:23 utc | 157

Is he crazy, or does he think the Russians are too stupid to stop such production?
RT report, December 18

Vladimir Zelensky criticizes delays in Western military aid and demands licenses for weapons production in Ukraine. Late and inadequate deliveries are putting a strain on troop morale. At the same time, he is counting on stronger support from the USA and Trump.
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Vladimir Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, has asked Western partners for licenses for weapons production in view of the problems in supplying his country with military equipment. The French newspaper Le Parisien published his answers to readers’ questions:
“I am often told that the West does not have sufficient capacity to produce weapons systems in time. Fine. Give us licenses! We will manufacture our own weapons, including missiles and defense systems.”
He complained that military support from Western partners often takes a long time – six months to a year. In addition, some of the weapons delivered were outdated or in poor condition:
The Ukrainian president also accused Washington of the fact that much of the promised aid, including humanitarian aid, had not yet arrived. He added that Kyiv wanted “greater support from the USA” and that his government was already working with the team of US President-elect Donald Trump. In a speech to representatives of regional authorities, he said:
“The USA is now increasing the number of measures, aid packages and sums of money. It is a pity that they are only doing this now, towards the end of their term, and it is regrettable how the aid was delayed last year.”
Already in December, Zelensky had stated that the delivery of missiles must be the priority for the Ukrainian armed forces and not the reduction in the mobilization age demanded by the USA. The key was to equip the existing brigades and train the personnel in the use of this technology.
He had previously stressed that the problem of the Ukrainian army was not the number of soldiers, but the inadequate equipment of the existing brigades.
“It’s a bloodbath” – Trump speaks of astronomical casualty figures in the Ukraine war
On December 13, the USA announced that it would provide Ukraine with additional military aid of $500 million from the Pentagon’s reserves. This is Washington’s 73rd aid package for Kiev. But it is by no means certain that it will be paid out.
At the beginning of December, Jake Sullivan, the US President’s National Security Advisor, said that the incumbent government would do everything it could until the end of its term in office to provide Ukraine with resources to strengthen its position on the battlefield.
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https://rtde.live/international/229955-selenskij-an-usa-gebt-uns-uns-lizenzen-wir-stellen-waffen-selbst-her/

Posted by: ossi | Dec 18 2024 16:07 utc | 158

“re: Killing democracy in order to save democracy
There are several definitions of democracy —
>Democracy is a system of government where state power is vested in the people or the general population of a state
>Democracy, a system of government in which the people can vote to elect their representatives.
>Democracy is a country in which power is held by elected representatives.
Biden and others claim that (merely) the use of elections describe democracy. Unfortunately in the US an elected representative is a representative of financial interests, and not of the general population. And that doesn’t include an autocratic national leader, which we also have in the US.
Posted by: Don Bacon”
Very true. The controversy in the USA is about the so called institutions of democracy. The institutions are regarded as democracy not the peeople voting. The institutions become corrupt and the solution is considered a autocrat..
I see the problem being much larger than that however, The USA is fascinated with war in its self perception and fantasy. It super cedes both ideas about democracy. Democracy is not truly considered for its faults and merits it is a quality of righteousness stamped upon the USA indelibly one part of the exceptionalism which is the basis of use of force to exert political will. The udea of democracy only gets trotted out when its time to use military force.
Thats why my belief is a commitment to diplomacy in international relationships is much more important than these ideas that democracy is some sort magic crown that endows the right to exert force on others. Any ideas about democracy are horse shit with a government owned by Israel lobbyist and participating in genocide. The idea of democracy is a cover for criminal acts now nothing more. Its usage in speech is almost always connected with the use of force.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 20 2024 16:37 utc | 159