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December 5, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-292
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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Posted by: Autumn | Dec 5 2024 22:38 utc | 99 “redeploying outside the city to fight away from the civilians” Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 5 2024 22:58 utc | 101 I found Mercouris latest analysis to be shocking and unexpected. His sources say the SAA are utterly corrupt and not fighting – as shown by the low casualty numbers in actual fighting. He also asserts that Russia may be quietly backing away from Assad. Still, what can Russia do? What’s the alternative? Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 5 2024 23:07 utc | 102 What do you think barflys? Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 5 2024 23:07 utc | 103 lmao at Mark Dubowitz Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 5 2024 23:17 utc | 104 NPR in DC is reporting that the IDF drone striked a Palestinian Chef who was supplying a Gaza hospital with hot food for patients and staff via his own food truck. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 5 2024 23:39 utc | 105 Seems more going on than meets the eye, that much incompetence is hard to believe. Posted by: Michael | Dec 6 2024 0:00 utc | 106 The Posted by: Michael | Dec 6 2024 0:04 utc | 107 @ Tobias Cole | Dec 5 2024 23:39 utc | 107 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 0:19 utc | 108 It would appear the SAA is in some combination corrupt and/or devoid of motivation. Aside from those not insignificant handicaps(!), I wonder if the SAA have the skills and equipment necessary to fight. In particular, is the SAA drone savvy? I’m assuming HTS is reasonably well equipped with at least short range reconnaissance and FPV drones, either simply because they observed the Ukrainian conflict and learned or because they were encouraged and/or supplied by Turkey/US/Ukraine. What about the SAA? They seem woefully unprepared in general so I have to suspect they’re lacking in the drone aspect as well. Posted by: Mike314159 | Dec 6 2024 0:24 utc | 109 RE: “Your problem is equating efforts to defend Syria with those hoping to exploit them. I’m also not sure what to make of your comments on the various articles you’ve posted. It seems like you want foreign powers to intervene but are complaining when they do?” Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 6 2024 0:31 utc | 110 Expect a massive RF response to the Turk/CIA/MI6/IDF/ISIS invasion of Syria…..RF will double down on Assad, and the response will be immediate….. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 6 2024 0:33 utc | 111 Pepe Escobar’s article on the Syrian situation:
One silver lining here is that the type of assets needed in Syria are different than those used in Ukraine. Ukraine has transitioned into almost a full drone war. I don’t see clips anymore of Russia K-50 Attack helicopters or fighters doing much heavy lifting. Perhaps because there are still some air defense units in Ukraine that could take those down. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 0:40 utc | 112 Is it not the case, that Turkey and Larov have proposed Astana format meetings this week – the Astana format includes prior 21 meetings on the stabililty of Syria. Include Russia, Turkey,and Iran and possibly others – including observors from Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq. To occur in Doha. UN also a possible player. Posted by: abierno | Dec 6 2024 0:46 utc | 113 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 0:40 utc | 114 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 6 2024 1:54 utc | 114 see video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 6 2024 3:03 utc | 115 50 Soldiers – Resistance Roundup – Day 426 Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2024 3:15 utc | 116 Re: Attack on Syria Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2024 3:18 utc | 117 Just let the suckers enter the cities and then close them. Posted by: Newbie | Dec 6 2024 3:28 utc | 118
So in other words, they’re accomplishing the square root of fuck all? Occupying Homs and Aleppo with light infantry elements leads to…what exactly? Terrorizing a civilian population, while certainly the modus operandi of Maerican proxy forces and their Israeli auxiliaries, doesn’t have any specific military value. Do enlighten me. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 6 2024 3:45 utc | 119 Source Cyberspec: Posted by: MrTurk | Dec 6 2024 3:52 utc | 120 Posted by: MrTurk | Dec 6 2024 3:52 utc | 123 Posted by: Newbie | Dec 6 2024 3:59 utc | 121 Exile 120 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2024 4:06 utc | 122 I suppose it would leave the US barflies gasping for breath if one were to suggest that the Turkic army in Syria might turn against Netanyahu’s Zionist Nazis, and join forces with the axis or Resistance to the USUKIS Zionist Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 6 2024 5:03 utc | 123 AEP: Turkey Takes Aleppo Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 5:05 utc | 124 The Gauls once controlled Western Europe ,the carthagians controlled most of North Africa. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 6 2024 5:07 utc | 125 The BRICS members, Russia and Iran, have no choice: they have to fix, by any means necessary, the incompetence shown by Damascus and the SAA, in order to maintain their access to the Eastern Mediterranean, Lebanon, Iraq and beyond. That involves a very serious move: Russia diverting key assets from the battle in Novorossiya to preserve a relatively sovereign Syria. Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 6 2024 6:09 utc | 126 Erdogan cope. Giyane, he’s a crypto Zionist. I know what you’re thinking. Wrong. Erdogan is not a Muslim. He has no belief system. It’s always what is good for erdogan. The guy would sell his mother. He’s working with the Zionazis! Boom. Done. He’s humanity’s enemy. Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 6:52 utc | 127 [THREAD] How Israeli Military Burned Displaced Palestinians in Gaza Alive Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 7:37 utc | 128 It seems that Iran is totally defeated. They are very silent. Posted by: Salmon | Dec 6 2024 7:38 utc | 129 Your tax dollars at work? Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 8:19 utc | 130 https://www.rt.com/news/608798-russia-lavrov-interview-carlson/ Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 8:44 utc | 131 Putin’s hands are tied in the Middle East. Many of the richest, most powerful oligarchs allied to him are dual nationals. 20% of Israelis are Russians. Posted by: Glasshopper | Dec 6 2024 9:08 utc | 132 ” You can even just put on an Italian suit and become the President of Turkey.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:10 utc | 133 “Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 5 2024 20:21 utc | 76 Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:15 utc | 134 “Foreign-backed terrorists led by the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) Takfiri group launched a large-scale attack in Aleppo and Idlib provinces in the northwest of Syria on November 27, seizing several areas. Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:29 utc | 135 There is something that would explain all the strange things happening during the last month. Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:40 utc | 136 “Shall we trust in the perfecters of Nazi Genocide, or in the Creator of the Universe and Master of the Day of Judgement?” Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:47 utc | 137 The jihadists advance is soon going to be massively overstretched, if they’re only 20,000. This rather corresponds with recent reports that jihadis have disappeared from the streets of Aleppo, having supposedly taken the city. This, and the reports that the Syrian army withdrew from cities in order to avoid harming civilians. It all rather speaks of a Russian-planned strategy (because very like what happens in Ukraine) to spread the jihadis out and weaken them. We’ll see what happens. They can’t have enough troops to take Damascus. Posted by: laguerre | Dec 6 2024 9:58 utc | 138 “Do you think they will be as merciful with the local population once they are under siege? Aleppo is already reporting food shortages.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:02 utc | 139 @1 Posted by: dave | Dec 6 2024 10:11 utc | 140 Things are not looking tooo good in Syria right now – or the entire region for that matter. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 6 2024 10:14 utc | 141 “Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 6 2024 5:03 utc | 126 Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:14 utc | 142 I hadn’t yet received the news that Aleppo Has Fallen. That’s very unfortunate and extremely concerning where the people there are concerned. Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:16 utc | 143 He appears to have very little the way of a belief system Beyond self-interest. I tend to find it a bit odd when people make connections like that. Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 10:33 utc | 144 “Hopeful thinking, but could this be a grand strategy to boot the US out? While everyone’s focused into (simpleton) thinking its the Russians, Iran and Hezbollah who’s endangered.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:36 utc | 145 >The Gauls once controlled Western Europe ,the carthagians controlled most of North Africa. “It seems that Iran is totally defeated. They are very silent. In fact there is no resistance to Empire there. Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:48 utc | 147 He appears to have very little the way of a belief system Beyond self-interest. Posted by: laguerre | Dec 6 2024 10:49 utc | 148 “Reserve assets will/would be used, and not in any great numbers either. Something like a brigade, a squadron of aircraft. Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:57 utc | 149 You all seem to forget that the Syrian army retreated so they aren’t fighting in civilian areas. Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact. Iran fought a brutal war in the 1980’s. They are not here commenting. Syria will not falll. It wasn’t until the 1600’s that countries borders were drawn. Russia is also actively involved . Syria will not falll. Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 11:51 utc | 150 If Syriyakmaps is right the HTS have arrived at Homs. If Homs falls then we will soon see Assad on a plane to Moscow. HTS has probably learned from IS’s mistakes and will go slow in transforming Syria into a Salafist paradise. Use a few years to consolidate power and then… Posted by: Poul | Dec 6 2024 12:04 utc | 151 logistics- ? Syria will not falll. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2024 12:05 utc | 153 Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2024 3:15 utc | 118 “272 destroyed (unchanged)” Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 12:23 utc | 154 Suriyakmaps
From the looks of it, it won’t take long before Homs is overrun by NATO-Israel-MSM supported head chopping terrorists. Only an intervention by Iran currently headed by a reluctant president can stop this at the moment. With the coastal area and Damascus severed from each other it won’t take long before Damascus will fall. I think we should see the talks between Russia and Turkey as a way to determine the how and if in the post Assad era. But the Russian presence would only exist at the grace of NATO. Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 12:24 utc | 155 It’s not that difficult to understand. Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact. That was written in stone. Prove it otherwise. And Iran always keeps its promises. Plus the Syrian army retreat was not a weakness as you all claim. They simply didn’t want to fight in civilian areas because they did not want to risk civilian casualties. But on this forum, that strategic retreat from countries that value civilian life over the western model of bomb and destroy all is hard for you to understand. Just like with true promise where Iran hit Israel hard, to show its capabilities. But no, just because there was no casualties you all consider it a failure. Consider ourselves lucky that there are countries that stil have a social contract of humanity and decency as it relates to the rest of the world. Russia, iran, hell even China don’t exert their military prowess to show off. They have decency and value a role in this world where the strength comes from having the ability to display that the capability to execute trumps simply wreaking havoc and destruction. If the US can’t defeat Iran, how can these Turkish backed rag tag militia defeat them. It’s not that hard to understand but I guess you alll don’t study history. I laugh out loud and hard that you think Syria will fall. Mutual defense pact , Look it up. Iran and Syria have a pact. Syria will not fall. Prove me wrong and tell me that pact doesn’t exist. Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:25 utc | 156 Also a geography lesson. Iran is surrounded by mountains on all sides. Doesn’t need troops to defend an invasion. So their entire army can be deployed and any invaders can be eliminated with the drone force. And if need be, they simply destroy all airbases of Turkey, Israel, the US……. Or wait ….they don’t have that capability do they ?? Hmmm…..just simply study your history and reminder that the entire world fought Iran via proxy in 1980 and could not win. That was 45 years ago. Look it up and get back to me. Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:34 utc | 157 Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 6 2024 0:33 utc | 113 “RF will not lose face on this one, they know exactly who is behind this invasion…..VV is in no mood to lose an ally……..bet on it….” Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 12:38 utc | 158 Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:25 utc | 159 “Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact.” Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 12:45 utc | 159 And those of you who keep mentioning nukes. What would that achieve in Syria? Is there a strategically important base where you could wipe out a fleet of 50 F35’s. You all make no sense. Didn’t Russian planes blow up the bridge to HOM? No nuke required. Just slow the advance. Did Germany or Russia use nukes in WW2 against each other in a conventional war that was 200x more intense than what’s going on now? If Syria was to fall doesn’t Iran know they are next? Not happening. Iran is the regional superpower that practices restraint, Thinks logically, and calculates its moves. Sorry that doesn’t fulfill your desires to see death and destruction happen and make you feel better that your sources you link to back up your echo chamber. As I recall it was Iran that had the balls to retaliate against Israel for blowing up Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:55 utc | 160 My last rant. All you posters are cutting and pasting from propaganda posts other people wrote. Maybe think for yourselves and post what you think and let’s have a civil discourse rather than repeating and posting thoughts that aren’t even yours. Kind of kills the whole spirit of an open forum. Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:59 utc | 161 If the syrian army does not want to fight and run away in every meaningful encounter with the terrorists then the fate of Syria is sealed, it seems the syrian soldiers anf officers are waiting Hezbollah, the PMF, the fatemiyoun, the IRGC, the russians and all the rest fo the Axis of Resistance to fight for them; if this is the case, the collapse of the Syrian state is guaranteed and the Lybian scenario is a real possibility. Also their lives (of soldiers and officers) will be in danger with the head-choppers. Posted by: Dave | Dec 6 2024 13:13 utc | 162 Posted by: Dave | Dec 6 2024 13:13 utc | 165 “Now Israel can cut the land supplies from Iran to Lebanon, avoid the rearming of Hezbollah and start the war again.” Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 13:28 utc | 163 Ed4 167 Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 13:43 utc | 164
If you have an inept political leadership unfortunately no. After a series of Zionazi assassinations on prominent Iran-aligned leaders Pezeshkian held off a response to “give peace a chance”, the ceasing of Zionazi hostilities towards the Palestinians. How retarded is that? As if they would ever do that and if it were for more than 5 minutes, for how many days, weeks or months? When I read it back then I thought it was fake news but it wasn’t. And yes Iran is next. At some point Libya was also next. Let’s hope the saner heads in Iran intervene both domestically and abroad (in Syria).
Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 13:59 utc | 165 I won’t post a link but ZH has an analysis that is more positive – as taken from Alastair C. The terrorists may have overextended themselves in a land with few supply roads. Maybe somebody has a total size of the rebel army. Losing 2K would hurt, I would think. Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 6 2024 14:01 utc | 166 Republicofscotland 144 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2024 14:25 utc | 167 Eighthman : 170 Posted by: Poul | Dec 6 2024 14:36 utc | 168
Suriyakmaps https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/4655
Terrorist operational force being steered by CIA/MI6/Mossad and SNA by Turkey.
Without outside intervention (from Iran), Syria won’t last. Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 14:37 utc | 169 Based on a tweet, apparently just said he supports HTS taking over Damascus. Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:22 utc | 170 Based on a tweet, apparently just said he supports HTS taking over Damascus. Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 15:27 utc | 171 This is exceptional and breathtaking. An ode to Palestine and Palestinians like no other, and a j’accuse of Zionisms and Israeli depravity beyond compare. Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2024 15:29 utc | 173 @ schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:28 utc | 176 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 15:30 utc | 174 Unfortunately Iran does not matter unless they can teleport troops to Syria as any ground movement will be destroyed by the US and Israel. Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:35 utc | 175 Any prolonged war in Syria and direct confrontation with Iran in Syrian ground will actually have huge negative impacts for the US/Israel/EU for people who like to respond ’emotionally’ like infants here’s some thoughts for your msm reading junkies. Posted by: MrTurk | Dec 6 2024 15:37 utc | 176 Despite the ICC issuing arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant – the UK government is STILL sending arms – aid and flying reconnaissance/targeting sorties over Palestine and Lebanon from RAF bases in Cyprus – they then send the targeting info to the Zionists airforce – and it bombs the mostly civilians below. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 6 2024 15:42 utc | 177
Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 15:43 utc | 178 @Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 15:43 utc | 182 Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 15:46 utc | 179 Unfortunately Iran does not matter unless they can teleport troops to Syria as any ground movement will be destroyed by the US and Israel. Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 15:48 utc | 180 When Iran tried sending a plane to Damascus four or five days ago it had to turn back without landing because Israeli planes circled it and informed it that it would be shot down if it tried to land. Maybe it would be different flying into a Russian base, but maybe not. Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 16:00 utc | 181 It is currently the big bold main headline at Haaretz. Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 16:03 utc | 182 @ schmoe | Dec 6 2024 16:00 utc | 185 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 16:05 utc | 183 Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:35 utc | 179 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 16:18 utc | 184 time will tell Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 6 2024 16:29 utc | 185 “Air power really can’t stop ground troops from breaking through into a foreign country. See: Kursk. Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 16:34 utc | 186 what a fiasco Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 6 2024 16:56 utc | 187 The war in Syria seems to be lost. There is nothing to suggest that the SAA has any will to fight. Not sure if it’s just incompetence or most of the officers are bribed. Once Homs is surrendered in a few days/weeks, the mood in the Syrian society will go down. I think Assad was naive to think that if he gets back inside Arab League he will be supported by anyone there. Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 6 2024 16:59 utc | 188 Brian Berletic giving the latest round up from Syria from what one might call traditional MOA perspectives. Posted by: johnf | Dec 6 2024 17:06 utc | 189 I happen to have a POV that gets me banned from any “alternative media”. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 6 2024 17:08 utc | 190 it looks like Erdogan may have finally succeeded in overthrowing Assad and annexing most of Syria. If Assad goes, Syria will be broken up between Turkey, the Kurds, Iraq, Lebanon and Israeli. That will almost certainly lead to another major Middle East war in the next 5-10 years Posted by: Kadath | Dec 6 2024 17:19 utc | 191 Its a small world folks. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2024 17:33 utc | 192 This is exceptional and breathtaking. … Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 6 2024 17:34 utc | 193 The big news in jewed-up Oz is that yesterday a synagogue, built by Holocaust Survivors, in the Melbourne suburb of Ripponlea, was the subject of a night time arson attack which required the attendance of 12+ fire brigades. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 6 2024 17:41 utc | 194 Assad is not going anywhere, and the war in Syria has not been lost, as so many here claim based on bits and pieces of mostly misinformation and their own tendency to draw far reaching conclusions because of something they have just read or heard, as if events in Syria are black and white, clear and simple. As if what they have read or heard is true, and lacking the indepth knowledge that is a basic condition for trying to understand complex developments and dynamics. Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2024 17:53 utc | 195 This is a first for RT: Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 18:04 utc | 196 My wife read me a headline a few minutes ago about a Boston city councilor being arrested. Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 18:08 utc | 197 Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2024 17:53 utc | 199 “Assad is not going anywhere, and the war in Syria has not been lost,” Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 18:13 utc | 198 @Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 18:08 utc | 201 Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 18:14 utc | 199 The south of Syria is now completely lost by the Syrian Government. The FSA are in Suwayda and Daraa. Only Damascus, part of Homs, and Latakia with Tartus remain. Posted by: HughG | Dec 6 2024 18:23 utc | 200 |
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