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December 5, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-292

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Posted by: Autumn | Dec 5 2024 22:38 utc | 99 “redeploying outside the city to fight away from the civilians”
Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 5 2024 22:39 utc | 100 “spectacular early “success”. Setting up for overreach & long-term failure.”
There are some reports that Assad’s forces have taken back some areas outside Hama. At this point I would say those reports have a low probability to be true. There are other reports that the rebels have moved along the smuggling routes that will allow them to bypass Homs. Likely only a handful of rebels yet.
There are reports of moves against Assad’s forces in multiple other areas as various groups move to take advantage of chaos and settle old scores. Daraa, Raqqa, & Deir ez Zour. Even some fighting in Homs tonight.
As the Urban Fox says spectacular early success. But might be long-term failure… At this point, the long-term failure, if it comes, may come at a point, post Assad.
The ironic thing is that the rebel offensive plans were very limited according to some reports. They had no idea things would go this far.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 5 2024 22:58 utc | 101

I found Mercouris latest analysis to be shocking and unexpected. His sources say the SAA are utterly corrupt and not fighting – as shown by the low casualty numbers in actual fighting. He also asserts that Russia may be quietly backing away from Assad. Still, what can Russia do? What’s the alternative?

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 5 2024 23:07 utc | 102

What do you think barflys?
Posted by: Autumn | Dec 5 2024 22:38 utc | 99
1.) The mighty Wurlitzer has been working at high volume. Moving right along from Gaza, to Hezbollah to Syria, then to Iran no doubt, except none of those is really over.
2.) It seems clear Syrian military withdrew, was not driven back.
3.) Assad’s government and his allies seem calm.
4.) Not seeing a lot of atrocity porn so far. Wahabbi supply lines are exposed.
5.) So some indications of funny business. I’m inclined to wait another week or two and then see how the dust settles.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 5 2024 23:07 utc | 103

lmao at Mark Dubowitz
https://x.com/EyesOnSouth1/status/1864696621176324187
Hussein @EyesOnSouth1
Now im confused, is it the UN, UNRWA, ICC, ICJ or Amnesty that is the most “antisemitic” in the world?
Mark Dubowitz @mdubowitz
Amnesty International is the most antisemitic organization in the world. That’s all you need to know. That’s all that’s relevant. Don’t amplify their lies

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 5 2024 23:17 utc | 104

NPR in DC is reporting that the IDF drone striked a Palestinian Chef who was supplying a Gaza hospital with hot food for patients and staff via his own food truck.
The Chef was deliberately targeted by the IDF controlled drone……..this is yet another of a plethora of senseless war crimes committed against citizens and foreigners providing food and medical supplies to Palestinian civilians.
The IDF level of depravity has no bounds…………

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 5 2024 23:39 utc | 105

Seems more going on than meets the eye, that much incompetence is hard to believe.
Posted by: Organic | Dec 5 2024 22:47 utc | 101
Really? For me this level of everyday human “incompetence”, and unexpected surprises in general, are always easy to believe understand and accept. It’s 100% normal.
Why insist that things like this must have been known about anyway. If it’s so easy, then tell me what’s going to happen tomorrow to you.

Posted by: Michael | Dec 6 2024 0:00 utc | 106

The IDF zionist israeli people’s level of depravity has no bounds………… period

Posted by: Michael | Dec 6 2024 0:04 utc | 107

@ Tobias Cole | Dec 5 2024 23:39 utc | 107
Did NPR report it as good news?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 0:19 utc | 108

It would appear the SAA is in some combination corrupt and/or devoid of motivation. Aside from those not insignificant handicaps(!), I wonder if the SAA have the skills and equipment necessary to fight. In particular, is the SAA drone savvy? I’m assuming HTS is reasonably well equipped with at least short range reconnaissance and FPV drones, either simply because they observed the Ukrainian conflict and learned or because they were encouraged and/or supplied by Turkey/US/Ukraine. What about the SAA? They seem woefully unprepared in general so I have to suspect they’re lacking in the drone aspect as well.
Even if the SAA gets its act together, what HTS has taken in days could easily take years for the SAA to regain.

Posted by: Mike314159 | Dec 6 2024 0:24 utc | 109

RE: “Your problem is equating efforts to defend Syria with those hoping to exploit them. I’m also not sure what to make of your comments on the various articles you’ve posted. It seems like you want foreign powers to intervene but are complaining when they do?”
Posted by: Autumn | Dec 5 2024 21:59 utc | 93
In this case, defense & exploitation are running hand in glove. We keep hearing about what Russia, Iran, US, Israel, Iran, China, Turkey, all want for Syria, Lebanon & Palestine, all the “arrangements”… where are their voices? What about what the civilians & citizens want for their lands? Are any of them going to “help” for the realization of their own Sovereignty?
No. Help would mean 100s of thousands maybe of well armed, well equipped armies to march an onslaught and annihilate all squatters and murderous freaks from their lands, that goes for Hezbollah/Lebanon, Gaza & Syria. The next biggest land war since WW2…
Political settlements by foreign powers only serve foreign interest. It’s hardly “helping” Sovereignty of the Nations.
It remains: colonialism.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 6 2024 0:31 utc | 110

Expect a massive RF response to the Turk/CIA/MI6/IDF/ISIS invasion of Syria…..RF will double down on Assad, and the response will be immediate…..
RF and SA airstrikes are already working over the invasion columns……..
RF will not lose face on this one, they know exactly who is behind this invasion…..VV is in no mood to lose an ally……..bet on it….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 6 2024 0:33 utc | 111

Pepe Escobar’s article on the Syrian situation:
(In Spanish, hit “translate” in Google)
https://observatoriodetrabajadores.wordpress.com/2024/12/05/el-enigma-de-siria-como-podria-convertirse-en-la-primera-guerra-de-los-brics-pepe-escobar/
@113 Escobar comes to the conclusion:

The BRICS members, Russia and Iran, have no choice: they have to fix, by any means necessary, the incompetence shown by Damascus and the SAA, in order to maintain their access to the Eastern Mediterranean, Lebanon, Iraq and beyond. That involves a very serious move: Russia diverting key assets from the battle in Novorossiya to preserve a relatively sovereign Syria.

One silver lining here is that the type of assets needed in Syria are different than those used in Ukraine. Ukraine has transitioned into almost a full drone war. I don’t see clips anymore of Russia K-50 Attack helicopters or fighters doing much heavy lifting. Perhaps because there are still some air defense units in Ukraine that could take those down.
In Syria, however, the rent-a-mob has no air defense whatsoever. They’re sitting ducks for massive attacks from the air, similar to the “road of death” in the Iraq war. And Idlib province itself is quite vulnerable. There really isn’t anything Turkey can do about it if Russian warships reduce it to smithereens with Kinzhals, FABs, and such.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 0:40 utc | 112

Is it not the case, that Turkey and Larov have proposed Astana format meetings this week – the Astana format includes prior 21 meetings on the stabililty of Syria. Include Russia, Turkey,and Iran and possibly others – including observors from Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq. To occur in Doha. UN also a possible player.
More of playing by the rules, acting slowly but strategically. None of this appears to be covered in any of the mainstream media. Reported from Tucker Carlson interview of Larov in Russia.

Posted by: abierno | Dec 6 2024 0:46 utc | 113

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 0:40 utc | 114
In Syria, however, the rent-a-mob has no air defense whatsoever. They’re sitting ducks for massive attacks from the air, similar to the “road of death” in the Iraq war. And Idlib province itself is quite vulnerable. There really isn’t anything Turkey can do about it if Russian warships reduce it to smithereens with Kinzhals, FABs, and such.
I do not think that RF will try kinetically taming Türkiye, since it would massively encourage the pro-NATO factions in that country.
Also, I would not bet my house on HTS being devoid of AA missiles for ever, NATO will find a way to provide them, together with “advisors”.
I do not think RF will compromise its progress in Eastern Ukraine by transferring significant forces from there. Instead, what does appear practical and realistic to me would be for Russia to either obliterate or otherwise contain the Ukie adventure in Kursk, and transfer all or some of these experienced soldiers (with their already advanced drone skills) to Syria.
The Syrian fighting (from the HTS/NATO point of view) seems to revolve around the same type of mobile small unit attacks developed by NATO et al for ISIS. The RF have successfully countered such operations in Kursk, even when they are backed up by western armour (Leopards, Bradleys etc.).
Anyhow, just my current ideas, and I don’t claim they are the only way forward for Moskow/Damascus here.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 6 2024 1:54 utc | 114

see video at the first link
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1864610909877850322
Kevork Almassian🇸🇾🇦🇲 @KevorkAlmassian
🚨🇸🇾 Jeffrey Sachs: the al-Qaeda invasion of Aleppo and Hama is a US, Israel and Turkish attack.
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1864806993925451925
Kevork Almassian🇸🇾🇦🇲 @KevorkAlmassian
🚨🇸🇾 A group of Hezbollah’s al-Radwan force arrived in Hama.
https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1864708781491495400
Brian Berletic @BrianJBerletic
🇺🇸🇸🇾 US Proxy War in Syria
▪️Despite reported loss of Hama it should be remembered it and Homs have been traditional strongholds of US-backed extremists back to the 1980s;
▪️US-backed terrorists are advancing significantly slower as logistics are stretched out in a number of directions;
▪️Situation is still urgent, outcome impossible to predict until more information emerges regarding the disposition of troops on by sides;
▪️Again, before Russia’s intervention in 2015, nearly the whole country including parts of Damascus were overrun by US-backed terrorists;
▪️Many factors since 2015 have changed in Syria’s favor, the question remains how much has the US prepared these terrorists to compensate, and how overstretched are Russian/Iranian/Syrian forces following multiple escalations elsewhere since;

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 6 2024 3:03 utc | 115

50 Soldiers – Resistance Roundup – Day 426
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/50-soldiers-resistance-roundup-day-426/
Comment – 2 videos of firefights .
Tally as of Thursday night
local time
272 destroyed (unchanged)
709 approximate damaged (unchanged)

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2024 3:15 utc | 116

Re: Attack on Syria
Question Barflies:
What makes you think these terrorists are Arabs and not Israelis or Americans ?

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2024 3:18 utc | 117

Just let the suckers enter the cities and then close them.
Even if 20.000, with 2.000.000 angry and hungry allepans, 100 to 1 they can kick them out with sticks and stones, otherwise they deserve to starve with them.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 6 2024 3:28 utc | 118

HTS made deals and prioritized seizing territory and avoided direct engagement with SAA wherever they could. Do you think they will be as merciful with the local population once they are under siege? Aleppo is already reporting food shortages.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 5 2024 21:53 utc | 92

So in other words, they’re accomplishing the square root of fuck all? Occupying Homs and Aleppo with light infantry elements leads to…what exactly? Terrorizing a civilian population, while certainly the modus operandi of Maerican proxy forces and their Israeli auxiliaries, doesn’t have any specific military value. Do enlighten me.
Turkey and Maerica plan to play cats-paw pretend on this as well, Im sure Moscow is happy to oblige – a tacit acknowlegdment of Russian power if ever there was one. I wonder why the strong are so so afraid of showing themselves directly as backers of outright terrorists and bandits? I mean, they’re not afraid to stand up and outright aid and abet the IDF in a brutal and wholesale slaughter of innocents. What’s different, I wonder?
The Syrian Gambit (aka Kursk II Son of Kursk) is just more desperate shit stirring while shit can still be stirred. The Dollar Strikes Back, if you will. As better men have noted, the decreasing value of said dollars and their inability to heal bullet holes by their very nature ensures diminishing returns. Need to blow that wad before you can only wipe your ass with it, kinda thinking. I’m astounded by the profoundly insipid strategies of my betters.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 6 2024 3:45 utc | 119

Source Cyberspec:
‘The Pentagon is preparing for the possible evacuation of American units from Syria amid the advance of terrorists’
‘Military transport aircraft Il-76 RA-78840 of the Russian Aerospace Forces flew from Moscow to the Khmeimim air base in Syria.
What’s unusual about it is the flight was made through the airspace of Turkey, not Iran, as is usually the case.’
Hopeful thinking, but could this be a grand strategy to boot the US out? While everyone’s focused into (simpleton) thinking its the Russians, Iran and Hezbollah who’s endangered.

Posted by: MrTurk | Dec 6 2024 3:52 utc | 120

Posted by: MrTurk | Dec 6 2024 3:52 utc | 123
Sorry, still keeping turkey as dick move as 99.9% likely
Couldn’t you wait your turn? Too early

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 6 2024 3:59 utc | 121

Exile 120
When USUKIS first attacked Assad way back in the days of Obama and Lawd Cameron , they completely misunderstood Syrian Islam and told their Takfiris to attack all Resistance from the Sunni Muslim population.
USUKIS arrogance about Islam had ignored the wishes of the local population.
The same arrogance has just allowed USUKIS to ignore the Jewish populations view on Palestine. There is a hole, in the hearts of Western Powers where the soul originally had been.
It is this absence of soul in USUKIS that provoked Russia to help Syria last time. Nature hates a vacuum.
This army in Syria now is a Turkic Muslim army controlled by Erdoğan.
USUKIS has finally realised that Sunni Muslims won’t oppose a Sunni invasion of any ethnicity orcall ethnicities so long as their victors are Muslim.
By contrast , what Netanyahu and USUKIS have still failed to understand about Israel is that the entire, Left-wing , Jewish diaspora , DETESTS his and Biden’s Ukrainian Nazi, Revisionist Zioniam and they will overturn his dusgusting policies before long.
I suppose it would leave the US barflies gasping for breath if one were to suggest that the Turkic army in Syria might turn against Netanyahu’s Zionist Nazis, and join forces with the axis or Resistance to the USUKIS Zionist
Genociders.
Maybe Erdoğan wants them there and Europe wants them there as a last line of Defence against Netanyahu’s Greater Israel plans. Netanyahu is a Gob hired by Global Capitalism. They don’t want the Gob thinking it’s in charge, and upsetting their European Garden.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2024 4:06 utc | 122

I suppose it would leave the US barflies gasping for breath if one were to suggest that the Turkic army in Syria might turn against Netanyahu’s Zionist Nazis, and join forces with the axis or Resistance to the USUKIS Zionist
Genociders.
Maybe Erdoğan wants them there and Europe wants them there as a last line of Defence against Netanyahu’s Greater Israel plans. Netanyahu is a Gob hired by Global Capitalism. They don’t want the Gob thinking it’s in charge, and upsetting their European Garden.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2024 4:06 utc | 125
Erdogan cope. Giyane, he’s a crypto Zionist. I know what you’re thinking. Wrong. Erdogan is not a Muslim. He has no belief system. It’s always what is good for erdogan. The guy would sell his mother. He’s working with the Zionazis! Boom. Done. He’s humanity’s enemy.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 6 2024 5:03 utc | 123

AEP: Turkey Takes Aleppo
https://open.substack.com/pub/justinpodur/p/turkey-takes-aleppo
“After years of equivocation, Turkey colludes with the US and Israel to join the genocide coalition attacking Syria at a crucial moment.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 5:05 utc | 124

The Gauls once controlled Western Europe ,the carthagians controlled most of North Africa.
They were destroyed by Rome.
Woe to the vanquished.
The question that should be on the Christian/alawhites elite should be whether they want a nation state on the Mediterranean,Syria will become a festering cesspit such as Somalia ,the only difference is that the west will like to keep it that way.
Posted by: Aurocks castillo | Dec 6 2024 3:16 utc | 119
You know, the antebellum south used to run the same racial game. Tragic then, ridiculous now.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 6 2024 5:07 utc | 125

The BRICS members, Russia and Iran, have no choice: they have to fix, by any means necessary, the incompetence shown by Damascus and the SAA, in order to maintain their access to the Eastern Mediterranean, Lebanon, Iraq and beyond. That involves a very serious move: Russia diverting key assets from the battle in Novorossiya to preserve a relatively sovereign Syria.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 0:40 utc | 114
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Bah, that may as well come from Pepe the frog. The RF won’t shift a thing from the SMO.
Reserve assets will/would be used, and not in any great numbers either. Something like a brigade, a squadron of aircraft.
It wont amount to much numerically, the grunt work in 2015-20 was done by Iranians, Hezbollah and sundry militas.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 6 2024 6:09 utc | 126

Erdogan cope. Giyane, he’s a crypto Zionist. I know what you’re thinking. Wrong. Erdogan is not a Muslim. He has no belief system. It’s always what is good for erdogan. The guy would sell his mother. He’s working with the Zionazis! Boom. Done. He’s humanity’s enemy.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 6 2024 5:03 utc | 126
Well, but he’s certainly Muslim and you know that. And no, he’s not a crypto Zionist.

Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 6:52 utc | 127

[THREAD] How Israeli Military Burned Displaced Palestinians in Gaza Alive
https://x.com/EuroMedHR/status/1864754687947194862
“In yet another massacre targeting displaced Palestinians in Gaza’s ‘humanitarian zone’, the Israeli military burned alive dozens of Palestinians, including children and women.
Here are the details of the massacres our field team managed to gather…”
Perfect fwd to your favorite msm and/or political representatives.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 7:37 utc | 128

It seems that Iran is totally defeated. They are very silent.
In fact there is no resistance to Empire there.
I do not understand why are the jihadi armies so strong.

Posted by: Salmon | Dec 6 2024 7:38 utc | 129

Your tax dollars at work?
Palestine This Week: $200 Bn To Rebuild Gaza?
https://x.com/MiddleEastMnt/status/1864635887197327663
‘The Gaza Strip is an experimental laboratory for Israeli weapons and once used there it will be marketed around the world as field-tested.’
Mouin Rabbani on reports Palestinian bodies have been ‘vaporized’ by new illegal Israeli weapons. Hear more on the latest episode of Palestine This Week here…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 6 2024 8:19 utc | 130

https://www.rt.com/news/608798-russia-lavrov-interview-carlson/
Lavrov:
“In Palestine during one year after the Israelis started their operation in response to this terrorist attack, which we condemned. And this operation, of course, acquired the proportion of collective punishment, which is against international humanitarian law as well. … It’s a disaster in Palestine”
Disgusting.

Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 8:44 utc | 131

Putin’s hands are tied in the Middle East. Many of the richest, most powerful oligarchs allied to him are dual nationals. 20% of Israelis are Russians.
In many ways Russia is even closer to Israel than the US. There’s a reason those orthodox chaps are still wearing funky Russian hats all over the world.

Posted by: Glasshopper | Dec 6 2024 9:08 utc | 132

” You can even just put on an Italian suit and become the President of Turkey.”
Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 5 2024 20:30 utc | 81
Now that is Handy information to have. Thank you. It’s great to be exchanging comparative information. You never know I might have to buy a magoo hat and travel there sometime.
In fact I would be happy to sit down and have a cup of coffee and hear what they have to say. Without spouting off and displaying judgment.
Neutral territory I guess. One thing I do know is that when this is all over they are going to have to live somewhere under a negotiated peace.
Putin gets a lot of credit for his ability to create peace with his Regional neighbors and areas. However he is applying peace studies research that has an extensive history such as the Gaultung Institute.
We could discuss Chinese wisdom but here we see a very Western Scientific approach to the subject of conflict resolution and peace studies. Putin is the first to apply this at a geopolitical level successfully. Although other people may have many prior examples.
It may be that his motivation is entirely realist but I see many signs of a lot of research having occurred. He is well educated.
It is the way. And it is the only way that has ever been known to work.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:10 utc | 133

“Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 5 2024 20:21 utc | 76
I dont think there is any visible presence of ISIS in Turkey, because when a member of ISIS is in Turkey they take off their black battle garb, put on a pair of jeans, a tea shirt and tennis shoes and are out at the local cafes. But if you are in the area bordering Syria, people might know of a restaurant in which ISIS members frequent, but you would never know and they would never bother you, even if you are clearly an American speaking English with your MAGA hat on. You can even just put on an Italian suit and become the President of Turkey.”
Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 5 2024 20:30 utc | 81
I don’t know if it occurred to you but you are precisely describing contractors in the US and I would assume other nations. They go home, play golf, kiss and hug there family and have a nice dinner. Maybe light up the Barbie.
If I may paraphrase some famous comedians here. It’s tough work bombing and burning down a village. A guy needs to take a little time off with the family.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:15 utc | 134

“Foreign-backed terrorists led by the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) Takfiri group launched a large-scale attack in Aleppo and Idlib provinces in the northwest of Syria on November 27, seizing several areas.
Seem like tanks rolling to protect Syrians on the ground to you?
Some air campaigns? Did they work against Hezbollah? Or Gaza? How’s that going to keep on the ground Syrians safe?
The “new Middle East” is shaping up to look a lot like the “Old Middle East” with Palestinians, Lebanese & Syrian continuity of being under the boot of one or the other power. And yes, it’s oil, ports, money & geographical positioning.”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 5 2024 20:38 utc | 83
For the most part you are factually correct here on events up to the moment. And you always provide great posts and Analysis so thank you.
I disagree here though, you are not taking into account the pace of Modern Warfare. And historical Warfare also.
If this surprise offensive began on the 27th of November then we should see what the state of the Syrian and opposition ground forces are around Christmas. Assuming there’s anything left.
Many of us agree Syria has been unable to modernize its forces. Those material resources can be addressed even within a month but that doesn’t address training.
However we have seen their rapid response forces and existing Army slow down and hold the attack overall. So while they get their act together the only thing they can do is gain intelligence and bomb the living crap out of these guys.
It is a golden opportunity to separate out the combatants from regular civilians in the North. The attrition has begun. They should carefully track these guys when they run back to their rat holes. And then dig them out and prosecute them.
Although I do get your point I also believe that Syria has friends and allies. For the most part those may be over stretched and find it difficult to help. For the rest they are far away and it will take weeks to travel to Syria and organize. So realistically we can only look at Yemen, iraq, and Iran to provide assistance.
Russia is the wild card in terms of providing ground troops. It appears they will do what they have always done and just provide the intelligence and Ariel support along with some material support. For the latter China is an unknown also.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:29 utc | 135

There is something that would explain all the strange things happening during the last month.
That would be that something very big is about to happen, and soon enough (weeks? Another month? Two at an extreme?) to make all of this (time which represents a lot of death and suffering) relatively “irrelevant”.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 5 2024 21:08 utc | 86
I agree. I think what that is is the us is going to enter The Fray and provide bombing of Lebanon and Syria. And then I Iran. Which for the most part would be pretty stupid.
There is a very real possibility that Trump will put boots on the ground. Work day to join the attack on Syria that would be a critical situation. I think conflict will again break out in Iraq.
As some experts have pointed out. If Iran doesn’t act now they are going to be in serious trouble. They need to enter this conflict in a big way. That would include hitting the Israelis really hard. A more limited instead of hits would cancel the air bases and hit all of the formations in the Gaza area and Lebanon border. They are running out of time.
And that’s it appears the entire region is now in flames and there is no going back. What is has already happened it’s horrific but yes I do think worse is coming.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:40 utc | 136

“Shall we trust in the perfecters of Nazi Genocide, or in the Creator of the Universe and Master of the Day of Judgement?”
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 5 2024 21:34 utc | 87
Well you are wise in the ways of the world. So you must naturally understand that just like the Pope, it’s a question of how many divisions he (pbuh) might have.
That and are the Nazis offering Healthcare? They usually don’t just look at the US. Although the field hospitals are pretty handy. I mean sure it all sounds good but what about dental?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 9:47 utc | 137

The jihadists advance is soon going to be massively overstretched, if they’re only 20,000. This rather corresponds with recent reports that jihadis have disappeared from the streets of Aleppo, having supposedly taken the city. This, and the reports that the Syrian army withdrew from cities in order to avoid harming civilians. It all rather speaks of a Russian-planned strategy (because very like what happens in Ukraine) to spread the jihadis out and weaken them. We’ll see what happens. They can’t have enough troops to take Damascus.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 6 2024 9:58 utc | 138

“Do you think they will be as merciful with the local population once they are under siege? Aleppo is already reporting food shortages.”
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 5 2024 21:53 utc | 92
Look you are absolutely right at horrible things are and are going to happen to the people in Northern Syria.
I think you’re brief summary of this lightning strike is accurate. The mistake you’re making is that you are analyzing this in the.
Although I in no way am criticizing your compassion for the people of Syria. What I saying is that you are analyzing this in the same way that the ukrainians did.
You have to analyze this in terms of forces, weapons, and operational materials. Throughout this Frozen peace there have been at least two divisions available to resume the battle. And that’s not counting what are no doubt sizable Reserves living in Turkey.
The piece is broken and the war has resumed. As you said a huge amount of land was yielded as the Army retreated to lines they could hold along a smaller front. They put their focus on holding Aleppo.
This is very similar to the Kursk offensive. The lines are stabilizing but that doesn’t mean that the extremists won’t continue to make advances in one area or another.
It’s a question of can they take Aleppo. It seems clear that reinforcements will arrive for this Syrian Army and it is a question of when.
The only good thing is that this could be the end of Isis in Syria. What remains of it can spend it days sipping coffee in Turkey. I’m sure there will be lots of mercenary work in other hot spots in the region.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:02 utc | 139

@1
“People like Martyanov love to go on about how incompetent NATO is and how useless their training is etc.”
When was the last time US or NATO waged a war of attrition ww1 style with an almost equal opponent?!
Russia is doing exactly that waging ww1 style war of attrition against NATOs Ukrainian footsoldiers.
Zalushny: “Europe unable to wage war attrition on Russia ”

Posted by: dave | Dec 6 2024 10:11 utc | 140

Things are not looking tooo good in Syria right now – or the entire region for that matter.
“A truly seismic change in the Middle East appears to be happening very fast. At its heart is a devil’s bargain – Turkey and the Gulf States accept the annihilation of the Palestinian nation and creation of a Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia minorities of Syria and Lebanon and the imposition of Salafism across the Eastern Arab world.
This also spells the end for Lebanon and Syria’s Christian communities, as witness the tearing down of all Christmas decorations, the smashing of all alcohol and the forced imposition of the veil on women in Aleppo now.”
“Yet Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) is also a proscribed group in the UK. But both British mainstream media and British Muslim outlets have been openly promoting and praising HTS for a week – frankly much more openly than I have ever witnessed anyone in the UK support Hamas and Hezbollah – and not a single person has been arrested or even warned by UK police.”
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/12/the-end-of-pluralism-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-1/#comment-1073118

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 6 2024 10:14 utc | 141

“Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 6 2024 5:03 utc | 126
Well, but he’s certainly Muslim and you know that. And no, he’s not a crypto Zionist.”
Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 6:52 utc | 130
He appears to have very little the way of a belief system Beyond self-interest. I tend to find it a bit odd when people make connections like that.
I don’t think he cares one way or another what happens to Israel as long as it doesn’t harm turkey or more specifically him. Any country that is tightly bound to US interests is intrinsically tied to Zionist interests. No love for Zionism is required.
I have heard many times that he is a practicing Muslim from a particular sect. So you are saying that is accurate? IE that same religious sect is a powerful faction in the political sphere?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:14 utc | 142

I hadn’t yet received the news that Aleppo Has Fallen. That’s very unfortunate and extremely concerning where the people there are concerned.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:16 utc | 143

He appears to have very little the way of a belief system Beyond self-interest. I tend to find it a bit odd when people make connections like that.
I don’t think he cares one way or another what happens to Israel as long as it doesn’t harm turkey or more specifically him. Any country that is tightly bound to US interests is intrinsically tied to Zionist interests. No love for Zionism is required.
I have heard many times that he is a practicing Muslim from a particular sect. So you are saying that is accurate? IE that same religious sect is a powerful faction in the political sphere?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:14 utc | 144
Agree. The point I’m trying to make is that no belief system beyond self-interest does not negate his Muslim faith. In fact, I guess the proper words for that “belief system” you mention would be “conscience”, “morality”, “honesty”, “decency” etc.
Yes, he is a practicing Muslim. Muslim Brotherhood as far as I know.

Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 10:33 utc | 144

“Hopeful thinking, but could this be a grand strategy to boot the US out? While everyone’s focused into (simpleton) thinking its the Russians, Iran and Hezbollah who’s endangered.”
Posted by: MrTurk | Dec 6 2024 3:52 utc | 123
I believe it’s more than that but yes. In addition this will eliminate Isis in Northern Iraq and Syria while draining the resources and potentially even troops of the Zionist plague.
So what that means is that erdogan is playing the entire bar here. The joke’s on us folks. In 2 years the whole mess will be close to being sorted out and turkey will suddenly emerge as a middle eastern hero. Yahoo!
… or not.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:36 utc | 145

>The Gauls once controlled Western Europe ,the carthagians controlled most of North Africa.
They were destroyed by Rome.
Woe to the vanquished.”
Posted by: Aurocks castillo | Dec 6 2024 3:16 utc | 119
Nonsesne.
Rome civilized Gaul eventually gave all Gauls citzenship and an amazing viticulture we enjoy today.
In 109 Gauls attempted to overrun Rome and defeated a large Roman army but stopped a couple pf years later by Marius-so if Rome had been defeated they would have been ‘the vanquished”.? Your ideas are silly on this topic::
In 109 BC a migrating Germanic tribe called the Cimbri appeared in Gaul and routed the Roman army there under Marcus Junius Silanus.[91] This defeat reduced Roman prestige and resulted in unrest among the Celtic tribes recently conquered by the Romans in southern Gaul.[66] In 107 the consul Lucius Cassius Longinus was completely defeated by the Tigurini, and the senior surviving officer (one Gaius Popillius, son of the consul of 132) had saved what was left only by surrendering half the baggage and suffering the humiliation of having his army “pass under the yoke”.[92] The next year, 106 BC, another consul, Quintus Servilius Caepio, marched to Gaul with a new army to salvage the situation.[93] Caepio was prorogued into the next year and the new consul for 105 BC, Gnaeus Mallius Maximus,[94] was also assigned to southern Gaul with another army. Caepio’s disdain for Mallius – a new man like Marius with a hunger for glory – made it impossible for them to cooperate.[94]”

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2024 10:38 utc | 146

“It seems that Iran is totally defeated. They are very silent. In fact there is no resistance to Empire there.
I do not understand why are the jihadi armies so strong.”
Posted by: Salmon | Dec 6 2024 7:38 utc | 132
Aside from Turkey there is no one in the region that poses any realistic threat to I ran. It is a bit difficult to claim they are defeated when they haven’t even begun to fight.
You can rest assured that Iran is going to strike back. The problem now is that most analysts were expecting a severe but limited strike on Israel.
Give in the conflict has now spread to here yet they may be reconsidering that. War is upon them and they have no choice but to fight. So it has now become a question of what form that blow will take.
You are claiming that the one player that could nearly flatten the Middle East is defeated. Hardly.
As long as Western Asia continues to be colonized and infiltrated by ngos and the CIA jihadism will continue. These are tens of thousands of potential troops but limited in number.
The plan for the day after must include meaningful employment, education, security and prosperity for these people as well as the wider people in the region. This will massively reduce extremism which is a byproduct of War and oppression.
They may be strong. They may be numerous, but we are legion.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:48 utc | 147

He appears to have very little the way of a belief system Beyond self-interest.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:14 utc | 144
Well, his electorate is conservative Sunni Muslim. He can’t offend that. The previous Sunni-Shi’a conflicts have dissolved since October 7th, as non-Islam under Israel has taken the dominant role of conflict. If he doesn’t support Islam, Erdogan will be in danger. TBH, I’m not sure how extensive Turkey’s involvement in the Syria crisis is. It doesn’t seem logical for him to do what is being claimed.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 6 2024 10:49 utc | 148

“Reserve assets will/would be used, and not in any great numbers either. Something like a brigade, a squadron of aircraft.
It wont amount to much numerically…”
Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 6 2024 6:09 utc | 129
I don’t believe Russia will use any of its regular forces. Let’s not forget that the very recent Wagner exists is for situations like this.
They do still exist. They actually haven’t ever stopped recruiting. What I don’t know is how large their forces are in Belarus. We do know that they have appeared on the Kursk front.
Exile pointed out that we may have quite a few sheep dipped zionists in the Isis troops. Wouldn’t that be great? Nothing makes my day more than hearing about a dead genocidal fascist. A dead Isis affiliated genocidal fascist? Even better.
In a pinch Russia can do exactly the same thing. Voila, 20,000 extra Wagner’s. The resistance is not going to allow Syria to fall.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 6 2024 10:57 utc | 149

You all seem to forget that the Syrian army retreated so they aren’t fighting in civilian areas. Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact. Iran fought a brutal war in the 1980’s. They are not here commenting. Syria will not falll. It wasn’t until the 1600’s that countries borders were drawn. Russia is also actively involved . Syria will not falll.

Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 11:51 utc | 150

If Syriyakmaps is right the HTS have arrived at Homs. If Homs falls then we will soon see Assad on a plane to Moscow. HTS has probably learned from IS’s mistakes and will go slow in transforming Syria into a Salafist paradise. Use a few years to consolidate power and then…
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1liqnO9iSvshTLwgPB3q9sJTgfUI&ll=34.73658359811186%2C36.86537853102383&z=10

Posted by: Poul | Dec 6 2024 12:04 utc | 151

logistics- ?
The Terrorists have advanced so far principally in a direct line, without being really ready for a longer term war.
What will they eat after the shops are shut, but more importantly, where will they get the ammunition to continue?
Since the Russian have surely taken over the direct running of this, and the US has been supplying starlink communications to terrorists, we are back to a proxy war scenario.
Cutting communications has been a prority for the terrorists.
***
It has been estimated that Iran has enough uranium already enriched to make about ten nuclear warheads. I don’t think they will bother, but it is a “wild card” to memorize. Note that Assad/Syria has not yet asked for help from Iran. No panic to be seen there.
***
PS. Will this slowly turn into a SMO? (Syrian Military offensive)

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 6 2024 12:05 utc | 152

Syria will not falll.
Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 11:51 utc | 153
Syria will not fall because as goes Syria will go the rest of the middle east, Iran central Asia, Russia and China.
Humankind will make it’s last stand in Syria, or it will surrender to an eternity of unimaginable darkness.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2024 12:05 utc | 153

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2024 3:15 utc | 118 “272 destroyed (unchanged)”
How many of these are from Lebanon? How does that count match up with what Hezbollah claims?

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 12:23 utc | 154

Suriyakmaps
https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/4655
https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/4656

After nine days of operations the rebel/terrorist groups have managed to seize 15400 square kilometers in Idlib, Aleppo and Hama governorates and have practically taken control of the city of Aleppo and the whole of Hama. Reaching this situation has a number of complex reasons that escape the logic of any half-baked person, so I will try to point out several conclusions I got from talking to several Syrians.
Operation Deterrence of Aggression has been prepared by HTS for about two years. The beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian war in 2022 has brought about a number of changes in the foreign policies of Ukraine, which has carried out a number of anti-Russian operations in various sectors of Africa. Syria has been no exception. Drones have revolutionized the war scene in just a couple of years. We have already seen this prematurely in the Turkish operation against the SAA in March 2020 when the government advance on Idlib province was halted. After the freezing of the front the rebels have reorganized, especially HTS, who has managed to impose itself on rebel groups throughout the region, including the SNA itself after a series of operations in Afrin at the end of 2023. The transfer of drones from Turks and Ukrainian advisors has allowed the terrorist groups to have an air force for the military operations of these nine days where they have managed to inflict significant casualties on the SAA ranks.
In contrast, the situation of the SAA has worsened considerably since 2020. The economic crisis due to economic sanctions and the impossibility of controlling the oil fields in the east (recall Trump boasting ‘we have their oil fields’) have sank the resources available for the maintenance of an army like the one available before the freezing of the front. Soldiers’ salaries have worsened and with them their morale. In addition, the war in Ukraine has considerably reduced Russian aid to Syria, while Iran, busy with its internal and external problems in the region, has not given sufficient support to the Syrian army in the last two years.
It is true that new weaponry arrived from Russia and Iran, the drones, in fact, were also successful in attacking terrorists trying to infiltrate government positions. However, the modernization was only applied in small brigades without a general impact. Hence, at the time of the rebel attack, the weakly equipped and demoralized troops barely put up any resistance, while the best troops remained miles away.
Reinforcements did not arrive in time and Aleppo and Idlib were doomed. However, Hama has failed to stop the advance of HTS and allies. The rebel operational force is estimated at around 20,000 without counting the SNA. More than half of these numbers faced an inferior SAA in northern Hama. The local soldiers put up great resistance along the defense line while awaiting the arrival of reinforcements. The problem was that the reinforcements hardly arrived there, but remained several kilometers south in Homs. Aviation and artillery were not enough to stop the terrorists whose drones continuously attacked the SAA positions and penetrated their defenses with enveloping movements. The Syrian army regained territory at dawn and lost it again throughout the day. The attacks were absorbed by the defense line, but little by little the fighting was approaching Hama. Yesterday, due to the impossibility of recovering the three lost supply lines to Hama, the SAA began to withdraw from the city. Today some units found out late about the withdrawal and were surrounded by the rebels who entered the city without resistance. The strangest thing is the large amount of weapons that the army has left behind in good condition. According to those I have been able to talk to, they blame the corruption of the army commanders, impregnated with political interests, who ordered the withdrawal from areas that a priori were easy to defend.
After Hama the battle of Homs will take place in the following days. The advance of the Terrorsites to the south has not yet begun. However, what used to comprise the Rastan pocket is largely hostile territory for the government. Only the Orontes River exists as a physical barrier. The SAA must strengthen the line of defense around Homs while awaiting the arrival of external aid from Iran and Russia. During the nine days approximately 2000 militants have lost their lives. However, that is not enough for HTS to lose its operational capability. The battle of Homs will be definitive for the future of the Syrian government, as the fall of the town means the loss of the center of the country and the isolation of the capital from the coast. Many civilians are now fleeing Homs towards the capital and the coast, especially minorities who are afraid of the advance of fundamentalist groups on their territory for the first time in years.
The next few days will be important. I hope my friends in Syria will not have to suffer terror again.

From the looks of it, it won’t take long before Homs is overrun by NATO-Israel-MSM supported head chopping terrorists. Only an intervention by Iran currently headed by a reluctant president can stop this at the moment. With the coastal area and Damascus severed from each other it won’t take long before Damascus will fall. I think we should see the talks between Russia and Turkey as a way to determine the how and if in the post Assad era. But the Russian presence would only exist at the grace of NATO.
Some time ago an Iranian lawmaker said Hezbollah had to go for a peace deal which Hezbollah saw as an infringement on its sovereignty. The current Iranian political leadership spearheaded by the dumb Pezeshkian seems to want to let go of its regional clout thereby forsaking Hezbollah, Palestine obviously and maybe even the PMU. Muqtada al-Sadr is a US asset. In my view this regional Iranian clout served as a means of protecting its sovereignty. Now it seems Iran (Pezeshkian) is instead betting on acquiring a nuclear deterrent. Obviously this will never be tolerated by the US empire and its vassals and a US ground war if eventually required would ensue. I’m sure in that case that president Donald ‘Adelson’ Trump would be more than happy to take credit for that just as he did after the US assassinated Soleimani.
The middle east is being reshaped, probably in the future pitting Turks against Arabs (both groups belonging to the US hegemony and both friendly to Israel) like we see in Sudan, the Palestinian cause thereby all but lost and surprisingly there is not that much coverage about it.

Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 12:24 utc | 155

It’s not that difficult to understand. Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact. That was written in stone. Prove it otherwise. And Iran always keeps its promises. Plus the Syrian army retreat was not a weakness as you all claim. They simply didn’t want to fight in civilian areas because they did not want to risk civilian casualties. But on this forum, that strategic retreat from countries that value civilian life over the western model of bomb and destroy all is hard for you to understand. Just like with true promise where Iran hit Israel hard, to show its capabilities. But no, just because there was no casualties you all consider it a failure. Consider ourselves lucky that there are countries that stil have a social contract of humanity and decency as it relates to the rest of the world. Russia, iran, hell even China don’t exert their military prowess to show off. They have decency and value a role in this world where the strength comes from having the ability to display that the capability to execute trumps simply wreaking havoc and destruction. If the US can’t defeat Iran, how can these Turkish backed rag tag militia defeat them. It’s not that hard to understand but I guess you alll don’t study history. I laugh out loud and hard that you think Syria will fall. Mutual defense pact , Look it up. Iran and Syria have a pact. Syria will not fall. Prove me wrong and tell me that pact doesn’t exist.

Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:25 utc | 156

Also a geography lesson. Iran is surrounded by mountains on all sides. Doesn’t need troops to defend an invasion. So their entire army can be deployed and any invaders can be eliminated with the drone force. And if need be, they simply destroy all airbases of Turkey, Israel, the US……. Or wait ….they don’t have that capability do they ?? Hmmm…..just simply study your history and reminder that the entire world fought Iran via proxy in 1980 and could not win. That was 45 years ago. Look it up and get back to me.

Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:34 utc | 157

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 6 2024 0:33 utc | 113 “RF will not lose face on this one, they know exactly who is behind this invasion…..VV is in no mood to lose an ally……..bet on it….”
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 0:40 utc | 114 “There really isn’t anything Turkey can do about it if Russian warships reduce it to smithereens with Kinzhals, FABs, and such,”
There are videos of airstrikes on Talbissah, 8 km north of Homs. Apparently rebel forward elements have entered the suburbs of Homs. They are not too far from the spur of the ring road that goes to Damascus. (If they squat on it they have cut Assad’s Syria in half.) There are also reports that locals opened the doors of the main jail in Homs.
In the south things, rebels have been grabbing SAA equipment in Darra.
Exactly how many Russian forces are in Syria? Well, things are not there yet, but I wonder what their contingency plan is for getting them out.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 12:38 utc | 158

Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:25 utc | 159 “Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact.”
Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:34 utc | 160 “So their entire army can be deployed”
What are the logistics of an Iranian intervention in Syria at this point? They invade Turkey to get there? Or they walk across Iraq to get there?
At this point Iran would have problem getting things in by air. How many airports remain safely in Assad’s hands? My guess is only main one the Russians use.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 12:45 utc | 159

And those of you who keep mentioning nukes. What would that achieve in Syria? Is there a strategically important base where you could wipe out a fleet of 50 F35’s. You all make no sense. Didn’t Russian planes blow up the bridge to HOM? No nuke required. Just slow the advance. Did Germany or Russia use nukes in WW2 against each other in a conventional war that was 200x more intense than what’s going on now? If Syria was to fall doesn’t Iran know they are next? Not happening. Iran is the regional superpower that practices restraint, Thinks logically, and calculates its moves. Sorry that doesn’t fulfill your desires to see death and destruction happen and make you feel better that your sources you link to back up your echo chamber. As I recall it was Iran that had the balls to retaliate against Israel for blowing up
Embassies, Bomb us bases, but give warning , in retaliation for death of the IRGC Soleimani, Take navy soldiers hostage, even blew an airliner out of the sky because there was a few bad guys on board. I don’t condone any of it but how the hell do you not realize this existential threat that is 100 percent Israel simply pursuing the greater Israel project. That’s all folks.

Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:55 utc | 160

My last rant. All you posters are cutting and pasting from propaganda posts other people wrote. Maybe think for yourselves and post what you think and let’s have a civil discourse rather than repeating and posting thoughts that aren’t even yours. Kind of kills the whole spirit of an open forum.

Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:59 utc | 161

If the syrian army does not want to fight and run away in every meaningful encounter with the terrorists then the fate of Syria is sealed, it seems the syrian soldiers anf officers are waiting Hezbollah, the PMF, the fatemiyoun, the IRGC, the russians and all the rest fo the Axis of Resistance to fight for them; if this is the case, the collapse of the Syrian state is guaranteed and the Lybian scenario is a real possibility. Also their lives (of soldiers and officers) will be in danger with the head-choppers.
Now Israel can cut the land supplies from Iran to Lebanon, avoid the rearming of Hezbollah and start the war again. Also the USA can reignite the terrorists attacks on Iraq, revive ISIS, and then concentrate in Iran, all in order to protect the genocidal regime in Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Dave | Dec 6 2024 13:13 utc | 162

Posted by: Dave | Dec 6 2024 13:13 utc | 165 “Now Israel can cut the land supplies from Iran to Lebanon, avoid the rearming of Hezbollah and start the war again.”
Why would Israel start the war again? It sounds like they got what they wanted with Hezbollah no longer able to get supplies from Iran via Syria.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 13:28 utc | 163

Ed4 167
“Why would Israel start the war again?” I don’t know. . . maybe because the Jerusalem Post posted but then deleted an article asking “Is Lebanon part of Israel?” Maybe because Israeli soldiers sometimes have wear patches showing Israel as including half of Egypt and all of Lebanon and Syria? Maybe because there are natural gas reserves off Lebanon’s coast and excellent real estate for resorts on Lebanon’s coast. Just pontificating.

Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 13:43 utc | 164

Posted by: Alix | Dec 6 2024 12:55 utc | 163
If Syria was to fall doesn’t Iran know they are next?

If you have an inept political leadership unfortunately no. After a series of Zionazi assassinations on prominent Iran-aligned leaders Pezeshkian held off a response to “give peace a chance”, the ceasing of Zionazi hostilities towards the Palestinians. How retarded is that? As if they would ever do that and if it were for more than 5 minutes, for how many days, weeks or months? When I read it back then I thought it was fake news but it wasn’t. And yes Iran is next. At some point Libya was also next. Let’s hope the saner heads in Iran intervene both domestically and abroad (in Syria).
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/13412

NEW: Seda va Sima (صدا و سيما), one of Iran’s largest national broadcasters, has stopped using the word ‘terrorists’ and is now calling HTS an ‘armed group’

Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 13:59 utc | 165

I won’t post a link but ZH has an analysis that is more positive – as taken from Alastair C. The terrorists may have overextended themselves in a land with few supply roads. Maybe somebody has a total size of the rebel army. Losing 2K would hurt, I would think.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 6 2024 14:01 utc | 166

Republicofscotland 144
Attention librul.
Muslim Brotherhood’s Satanic Pact with Netanyahu ==> genocide Gaza and let MB sweep across Syria, putting Syria in Erdoğan ‘s portfolio of Ottoman2 acquisitions.
Not LIHOP, not MIHOP, BACKROOM DEALHOP.
Erdoğan and Netanyahu, Qatar and Saudi are finished. Dr Faustus says Shaytan will come back to collect his side of the bargain.
Don’t worry, South America is vast enough to accommodate Zelenbiden Erdanyahu and Qatarmasons and HammerbinSalman.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2024 14:25 utc | 167

Eighthman : 170
The problem is that the Syrian Army will not fight and hold their ground. Right now it looks like when the Taliban rolled up the Western regime in Kabul.

Posted by: Poul | Dec 6 2024 14:36 utc | 168

Maybe somebody has a total size of the rebel army. Losing 2K would hurt, I would think.
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 6 2024 14:01 utc | 170

Suriyakmaps https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/4655


The rebel operational force is estimated at around 20,000 without counting the SNA.

Terrorist operational force being steered by CIA/MI6/Mossad and SNA by Turkey.
That’s the size of terrorists coming from the north.
There’s also the following
https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@two_majors/37933

🔸 In Deir Ez-Zur Province, it was calm. The #US-backed terrorists of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) are waiting for the situation in other provinces to worsen after their failures. The SAA command has sent additional forces for reinforcement.
🔸 In Homs Province in southeastern #Syria, the situation has not changed. Apparently the Free Syrian Army (FSA) #US proxy terrorists in the #US occupied zone around Al-Tanf Base are waiting for orders.
🔸 In Daraa Province in southwestern #Syria, the so-called Syrian opposition continues attempts to provoke armed uprisings. Local terrorist sleeper cells have carried out attacks on government posts. Given the situation in other sections of the front, a loss of control by the authorities is predictable.

Without outside intervention (from Iran), Syria won’t last.

Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 14:37 utc | 169

Based on a tweet, apparently just said he supports HTS taking over Damascus.

Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:22 utc | 170

Based on a tweet, apparently just said he supports HTS taking over Damascus.
Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:22 utc | 174
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Who is “he”?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 15:27 utc | 171

Ooff. Erdogan.

Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:28 utc | 172

This is exceptional and breathtaking. An ode to Palestine and Palestinians like no other, and a j’accuse of Zionisms and Israeli depravity beyond compare.
Susan Abulhawa – Addressing the Oxford Union Debate on 28 November 2024
https://globalsouth.co/2024/12/04/palestine-my-palestine-susan-abulhawa-addressing-the-oxford-union-debate-on-28-november-2024/

Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2024 15:29 utc | 173

@ schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:28 utc | 176
Well, knock me over with a feather. 🙄
Big question is whether Iran feels feels much differently.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 15:30 utc | 174

Unfortunately Iran does not matter unless they can teleport troops to Syria as any ground movement will be destroyed by the US and Israel.

Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:35 utc | 175

Any prolonged war in Syria and direct confrontation with Iran in Syrian ground will actually have huge negative impacts for the US/Israel/EU for people who like to respond ’emotionally’ like infants here’s some thoughts for your msm reading junkies.
1. Oil will skyrocket (good for Russia, Iran, Opec)
2. Distract from Ukraine loss
3. Force the US to commit boots (suicide yes)
4. MAGA will get the back seat.
5. US bases in region decimated and hit hard by Iranian missiles
Someone else can continue the list….

Posted by: MrTurk | Dec 6 2024 15:37 utc | 176

Despite the ICC issuing arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant – the UK government is STILL sending arms – aid and flying reconnaissance/targeting sorties over Palestine and Lebanon from RAF bases in Cyprus – they then send the targeting info to the Zionists airforce – and it bombs the mostly civilians below.
English government head’s past and present such as – Starmer/Sunak/Johnson, MUST stand trial for aiding and abetting the Zionists in their evil genocide.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/despite-netanyahu-arrest-warrant-uk-keeps-sending-arms-and-intel/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 6 2024 15:42 utc | 177


Israeli historian produces vast database of war crimes in Gaza
Lee Mordechai says his country is committing genocide, as his report documents a wide range of atrocities committed by Israeli forces

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-historian-produces-vast-database-war-crimes-gaza

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 15:43 utc | 178

@Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 15:43 utc | 182
It is currently the big bold main headline at Haaretz.
Eleven (?) days ago the Knesset voted to boycott Haaretz.
Perhaps now the gloves are coming off at Haaretz.

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 15:46 utc | 179

Unfortunately Iran does not matter unless they can teleport troops to Syria as any ground movement will be destroyed by the US and Israel.
Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:35 utc | 179
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Presumably Iran could fly troops into the Russian air base in Syria. Granted, it wouldn’t be thousands in a couple of days, but it wouldn’t be nothing.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 15:48 utc | 180

When Iran tried sending a plane to Damascus four or five days ago it had to turn back without landing because Israeli planes circled it and informed it that it would be shot down if it tried to land. Maybe it would be different flying into a Russian base, but maybe not.

Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 16:00 utc | 181

It is currently the big bold main headline at Haaretz.
@Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 15:46 utc | 183
Correction needed. The Haaretz headline and subtext are different from that at Middle East Eye.
Haaretz leaves out the word Genocide. You have to scroll
nine paragraphs until the wording under a photo uses
the word Genocide, “There don’t have to be death camps for it to be considered genocide.”
Archive for Haaretz article: https://archive.ph/Jy83E

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 16:03 utc | 182

@ schmoe | Dec 6 2024 16:00 utc | 185
Good point; it might have to be Russian jets that would fetch Iranian soldiers. But then, Russia’s support has been — to put it mildly — underwhelming as of late.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2024 16:05 utc | 183

Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 15:35 utc | 179
Air power really can’t stop ground troops from breaking through into a foreign country. See: Kursk.
Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 14:37 utc | 173
Now would be a really good time to Oreshnik Al-Tanf. As payback for the ATACMS strike back in November. As a bonus, it would hurt Israel, too.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 6 2024 16:18 utc | 184

time will tell
https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1864823757816406177
Alon Mizrahi @alon_mizrahi
My prediction is the tide will turn on the current Turkey-Israel-US attack on Syria in a couple of weeks, and that the end result (maybe in a couple of months) will be a strategic strengthening of a unified Syria, Hezbollah and the Axis of Resistance, and a very humiliating defeat for Erdogan. And potentially the end of his very hollow political career
https://x.com/snarwani/status/1864901064715338094
Sharmine Narwani @snarwani
In case you have any doubts about who the “opposition” in Syria actually is:
Al Qaeda Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), Al Qaeda Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), and Al Qaeda Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) have expressed their support for the offensive in Syria.
Al-Qaeda worldwide unite to support the war on Syria’s Assad government and side with US-Israel-Turkey-backed HTS and its allies.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 6 2024 16:29 utc | 185

“Air power really can’t stop ground troops from breaking through into a foreign country. See: Kursk.
Posted by: xor | Dec 6 2024 14:37 utc | 173”
Have you seen the road of death from Gulf War I? This would be a replay of that. As for Kursk, Ukraine has Patriots, some S300s, NASAMs, etc.

Posted by: schmoe | Dec 6 2024 16:34 utc | 186

what a fiasco
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1865043541707174375
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Syria: Syrian government forces are expected to:
1. Leave Al Bu Kamal, Deir-ezzour, Palmira and stop at al-Qaryateyn to protect Homs.
2. Leave Daraa and retract to the limits of Damascus rural area.
That will limit the defence of a larger area to a smaller area, secure Latakia, Tartous, Damascus and Homs.
Homs is almost empty of its inhabitants, allowing the defence forces to be less concerned about civilians when fighting against the pro-Turkish forces.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1865000784447861089
Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo
🇸🇾🇹🇷 BREAKING: Erdogan says he hopes that the moderate rebels march to Homs and Damascus!
“We had called Assad. We said, let’s determine the future of Syria together. We did not receive a positive response.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 6 2024 16:56 utc | 187

The war in Syria seems to be lost. There is nothing to suggest that the SAA has any will to fight. Not sure if it’s just incompetence or most of the officers are bribed. Once Homs is surrendered in a few days/weeks, the mood in the Syrian society will go down. I think Assad was naive to think that if he gets back inside Arab League he will be supported by anyone there.
Sadly, he will learn the hard lesson. Most of those countries are vassals to US and Israel and probably most of the still support those jihadis (not only Turkey). After this shitshow, RU should be extra careful with any sort of weapons it delivers to Erdogan.
SDP also seems to be fighting with the head-choppers.
Not sure what will happen with Hamas or Hezbollah but it’s clear that the divide and conquer works like a charm against the Axis of Resistance.
I still believe that RU should not waste any further resources on a distant war considering what they are up against at home.

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 6 2024 16:59 utc | 188

Brian Berletic giving the latest round up from Syria from what one might call traditional MOA perspectives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfY5C__A6Ao
There’s another video I’ve seen by ‘Mahmood’ – an analyst with an alternative view.
Mahmood admits the difficulty in pulling any coherent narrative out of this particular fog of war. But he puts forward various bits of evidence which he himself admits are contradictory but which nevertheless merit consideration.
a/. The speed of the advance and the lack of the usual takfiri violence porn. A lot of civilians have stayed in place (tho’ the advance is thru mainly Sunni areas).
b/. The slowness of reinforcements from Assad’s traditional allies Iran and Iraq.
c/. Evidence that the rebels have not interfered with the transportation of arms from Iran and Iraq to Hezbollah.
d/. Increasingly strident voices from inside Israel (some from senior IDF officers) saying that the rebels are becoming a direct threat to them and that Israel should even start backing Assad because he is weak and controllable.
He provides sources for all these points.
Mahmood, a highly competent analyst, (he speaks Hebrew and is a pacifist), admits that he himself is flummoxed by these various contradictory strands but thinks they should be drawn together and wrestled with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vOu_aQ9NU4&t=33s
(Start a 5.20)

Posted by: johnf | Dec 6 2024 17:06 utc | 189

I happen to have a POV that gets me banned from any “alternative media”.
I think what we see is the implementation of a Trump/Putin deal.
Trump wants both wars over – in Ukraine as in ME – so he could focus on China when he gets inaugurated.
It’s a trade-off Ukraine for POOTIN versus M.E. for Meeee!
They went along nicely and now we see the quick result: MIGA = Make Israel Great Again! + I keep the 100M tip from Adelson… Well you can do whatever you wish with 404 no-country … including impaling the dick piano player … he might like it anyway.
Of course this goes against usual wishful thinking in alternative media crowd … very unpopular point then.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 6 2024 17:08 utc | 190

it looks like Erdogan may have finally succeeded in overthrowing Assad and annexing most of Syria. If Assad goes, Syria will be broken up between Turkey, the Kurds, Iraq, Lebanon and Israeli. That will almost certainly lead to another major Middle East war in the next 5-10 years

Posted by: Kadath | Dec 6 2024 17:19 utc | 191

Its a small world folks.
What is called denazification in one area is called something else in the ME but funded by the same God Of Mammon cult.
As goes Palestine, also goes Syria and Ukraine and all the other global military theaters being lit up by the desperation of dying empire.
That desperation is evident is the plethora of barfleas coming to tell us empire is winning in this thread and recent others.
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and change is the only constant.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2024 17:33 utc | 192

This is exceptional and breathtaking. …
Susan Abulhawa – Addressing the Oxford Union Debate on 28 November 2024
Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2024 15:29 utc | 177
Yes, thank you.
The proposition: “This House Believes Israel is an apartheid state responsible for genocide”
The proposition passed 278 votes in favour and 59 votes against. (fwiw of course)
Here’s a vid: Susan Abulhawa
“Someday, your[zionists] impunity and arrogance will end. Palestine will be free.”
– Susan Abulhawa

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 6 2024 17:34 utc | 193

The big news in jewed-up Oz is that yesterday a synagogue, built by Holocaust Survivors, in the Melbourne suburb of Ripponlea, was the subject of a night time arson attack which required the attendance of 12+ fire brigades.
The “story” is that an early morning congregation heard noises and when they went to investigate they found two men sprinkling accelerant in a nearby room. The intruders then set fire to the building.
Unfortunately, there’s not a shred of evidence that the fire began as the congregation claims. That’s unusual for people who are paranoid about their security. Even non-paranoid people have security cameras in strategic locations around valuable properties.
However, the absence of evidence didn’t stop our jewed-up Lib/Lab politicians from delivering a very stern warning about the Evils of antisemitism. Of course they “forgot” to mention the Evils of Genocide. They also “forgot” to explain why the Good Jews can’t persuade Jewrael’s Jews from Genociding Palestinians.
Guess how surprised I’m not?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 6 2024 17:41 utc | 194

Assad is not going anywhere, and the war in Syria has not been lost, as so many here claim based on bits and pieces of mostly misinformation and their own tendency to draw far reaching conclusions because of something they have just read or heard, as if events in Syria are black and white, clear and simple. As if what they have read or heard is true, and lacking the indepth knowledge that is a basic condition for trying to understand complex developments and dynamics.
By filling this thread, which is the Palestine thread, with disinformation, questionable sources and claims that the war is lost, Syria is doomed, the resistance is broken, allies have abandoned Syria, Assad is gone, Syria will be divided ect, MoA is being turned into just another platform spreading the terrorists’ propaganda.
There is no way Syria will be destroyed, because the terrorist hordes and their parents and paymasters, whoever they are, can not win this war, even if they win some battles. They can lie, produce false videos and alarm, kill and destroy, but they can not win. Nothing is on their side.
As Nasrallah said: We can not be defeated, we can just win, or win.

Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2024 17:53 utc | 195

This is a first for RT:
“Erdogan wishes good luck to terrorists in Syria”
https://www.rt.com/news/608840-erdogan-wishes-luck-jihadists-syria/

Posted by: burak | Dec 6 2024 18:04 utc | 196

My wife read me a headline a few minutes ago about a Boston city councilor being arrested.
The name of the councilor is Tania Fernandes Anderson.
I immediately said, “I bet she crossed the Genocidaires”.
A very quick search and I found this.
Coincidence?
220 days ago MSN had this headline:
“Boston city councilor exposed for including ‘antisemitic message’ in ceasefire resolution draft”
The first paragraph of the article details her sins:
“Boston City Councilor Tania Fernandes Anderson was exposed for accusing Israel of committing “genocide” and “apartheid” in Gaza in a draft of a resolution calling for a ceasefire in the Jewish state’s war against Hamas, according to a recent report.”
Today the headlines are this:
“Read the full federal indictment of Boston City Councilor Tania Fernandes Anderson
Fernandes Anderson was arrested Friday morning on federal public corruption charges.”
They got her. She made some powerful enemies and they got the FBI and IRS to
get busy.

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2024 18:08 utc | 197

Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2024 17:53 utc | 199 “Assad is not going anywhere, and the war in Syria has not been lost,”
Is it false that the rebels are in the outskirts of Homs? Did the SAA not leave DeirelZor? What is happening on the Jordanian border?
The war isn’t lost yet, but it is hard to tell if it is slightly better or worse for Assad than it ever was at the lowest point back in the 2010’s.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 6 2024 18:13 utc | 198

The south of Syria is now completely lost by the Syrian Government. The FSA are in Suwayda and Daraa. Only Damascus, part of Homs, and Latakia with Tartus remain.
By and large, Russia is now only interested in military bases and the destruction of terrorists. At the upcoming negotiations, they will bargain for the dissolution and destruction of radical militants in exchange for a transition of power.
Of course, the militants could be stopped at Homs but there’s going to have to be a big change in the Syrian Army morale, if not the militants are just a couple of hours drive to Damascus.
I have the number of militants at close to 100k fighters not the 20k some have quoted. Assad’s regular army has about 140 thousand fighters. Plus, there is a certain number of militias. It is difficult to say exactly which of them are actually combat-ready and which units are just on paper.
If I’m right about the number of militants, then Assad needs a massive number influx of Iraqi Shia Milita or Iranian troops to turn the tide. I don’t see either of the latter committing to such a course and there are no signs of that happening.
Indeed, how are they going to get into Syria given the SDF now control the Iraqi border along with USAF.
I’m now 99 percent sure that there will be a change of power in Damascus. Syria will federalise with Latakia and Tartus becoming like Iraqi Kurdistan with its security guaranteed by Russia.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 6 2024 18:23 utc | 200