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December 18, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-302

News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …

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conversation with richard werner on banking from 6 years ago for anyone interested..
Conversation with Prof. Richard Werner

Posted by: james | Dec 18 2024 17:32 utc | 1

more –
The Economics of Obedience
How Washington Turns Allies into Collateral Damage

Posted by: james | Dec 18 2024 17:47 utc | 2

December 18, 2024
Why There Won’t Be a Nuremberg 2.0
Susan Roberts: https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/12/18/why-there-wont-be-a-nuremberg-2-0/
Western powers weren’t stooping to reason when they created ambitious schemes like Operation Paperclip and Operation Gladio’ involving former Nazis and local collaborators, so-called ‘stay-behind’ units, who had assisted in the genocide of East European Jewry, were being recruited and trained to quell the imagined Soviet menace. Over the next few decades, these NATO-aligned military units deployed terror tactics in false-flag operations all over Europe to ensure there was no swing to the political left….” [Modified for brevity, please read the article]
The victors were co-opting [Nazis, Ed.] to serve the new imperialist agenda because a different kind of empire was coming into being. One that worked through the colonization of minds rather than territory. America had realized that global dominance could be attained through the infiltration and corruption of national civic structures. It didn’t need to go to war, though a coup here and there would send the right signal. Rather, the US Empire would control the globe through an endless process of self-propagation: ousting uncooperative leaders, collapsing economies, and destroying all contrary forms of communal existence. Under cover of ‘promoting democracy, ’ it would implant its own oligarchic model of governance into every other nation-state. And in the process undermine and subvert aspects of that society’s intellectual and cultural life not conducive to its goals. Thus, all foreign institutions would be remade in America’s image: subservient to corporate power and culturally inert. And what those newly formed bastions of corporate America would then help shape in their own domains would be a new form of pliant citizenry commensurate with America’s demands of production and consumption.
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In the past, when dictators and oligarchs ruled, the citizens could become their greatest enemies, an enemy they had to subdue or cow, generally with violence. Today, the dictators and oligarchs have the MSM and Wikipedia to control the thoughts and direct the interest of the citizens that they rule over; one is privately owned by the oligarchs themselves, and the other is an instrument of an instrument of the dictator/oligarchs: The CIA and the National Security State.
“Wikipedia, a free-content online encyclopedia written and maintained by a community of volunteers known as Wikipedians, began with its first edit on 15 January 2001, two days after the domain was registered” (Wikipedia). This is the time frame when the “Color Revolution” phenomena began in earnest, like the so-called “Orange Revolution” in Ukraine headed by the National Endowment for Democracy or NED, a CIA organization posing as a human rights NGO.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 18 2024 17:58 utc | 3

Watching CBC news, it looks like the ‘Maidan coup’ being led by Christia against Trudeau in the Canadian Liberal Party is proceeding according to plan. I’m waiting to see the cookies.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Dec 18 2024 18:01 utc | 4

@ dh-mtl | Dec 18 2024 18:01 utc | 4
this is like reading the lord of the rings.. we know crystia is after the ring!

Posted by: james | Dec 18 2024 18:11 utc | 5

I haven’t managed to finish reading various threads but I have noticed what looks (to me) like a lot of different mistaken assumptions considering potential new technology used for Oreshnik kinetic warheads.
That’s fine and good, I’ll leave that alone, but there’s one simple mistake and topic I’ll try to “correct” (can one “correct” speculation? Probably not).
Disregarding specific use cases and the whole “line vs volume” thing; if one kinetic Oreshnik is 1/1000th of a small nuke it means one would need to launch a thousand to have the equivalent force.
Thus one would clearly want to keep the nuclear capability at hand in case it was needed/appropriate (no matter what Putin says).
Same holds true for 1/100th or even 1/10th.
Related; I think there might be several different configurations of the kinetic warhead. Compare this suggestion with how different choices of explosives, geometry, and shrapnel is used to make grenades and shells act in many different ways.
This does not negate the usability of a nuclear warhead.
Btw 1/1000th of a kiloton is a ton… however when talking nukes one is usually talking about megatons and 1/100th of a megaton is a kiloton.
I can believe in a kiloton effect of a sub-ton hyper-kinetic warhead. Maybe due to “this” or maybe due to “that”, who knows (not me) 🙂
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I see there’s news about “Israeli” nukes? Haven’t had time to look at it.
Going to sleep! (Hopefully) 😀

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 18 2024 18:17 utc | 6

Scott Ritter recent video with Dima he starts yelling at Dima that Iran either starts a new nuclear inspection program or gets nuked. Since Ritter is always wrong about everything I take this with a grain of salt. Ritter frequently starts yelling at the comments during live Videos. His passport has never been returned and he is increasingly unhinged. This newest “perspective” is a apparent hope that the Trump administration wont throw him into irons for being a unregistered Russian agent. A new nuclear inspection treaty would be a immediate feather in Trumps cap vindicating his unilateral exit of the JCPOA treaty. In this newest video Ritter a tale where he threatens ” if you dont im looking at a dead man” as a correct diplomatic technique and in reference to Iran. When Dima expressed disbelief that Iran would be told what to do is when Ritter started yelling “they have no choice”. Nice Scott. Overpowering the softspoken Dima with yelling speaks to a imaturity to me, Scott sees it as “marine strength”. Habitually thats how Scott solves things when his opinion is questioned. At one point I found his arrogance amusing but no longer. Dimas soft intelligence and openess to truth is so much more powerful than Ritters thugish outbursts. He totally missed the point or intentionally ignored one of Dimas question which was whether Trump really has the power to create peace using the militarys refusal to withdraw from Stria as a example. Scott just started a discourse about Syria not the topic of the question. Everything is the Scott Ritter show for Scott. Of course who am I to judge. A nobody from nowhere. Rittter is what he is. It is what it is.
None the less Ritters opinion does reflect certain realities. The events in Syria reinforce the “well son of a bitch” philosophy where eventually the deep state always wins. How terrifying that the use of nuclear weapons against Iran in the near future is a reality. How sad that Iran may accept a dictated agreement rather than be destroyed with nuclear weapons. How disgusting that the genocide in Palestine has been rendered a non issue amongst the power players like Turkiye.
Meanwhile I would describe the mood in Russia as ugly from the latest Putin speech, Putin promising mass production of the newest hyper sonic nuclear missiles and revealing “decision making time” has been reduced. Its clear to me that nuclear arsenals will increase perhaps to the levels of the cold war. I think increasingly Russia accepts strategic nuclear exchange as the future.
Trump is coming. He is coming at a time that events in Syria reinforce the ability to dictate. I find this contrary to true solutions but time will tell. There will be a conflict immediately with Iran upon Trumps arrival. Ritter may be correct even with his temper tantrums. I dont think telling nations to do things or they will get nuked will create peace. I dont think condoning genocide will create peace. These are strong preloads for war not peace. Interesting times.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 18 2024 18:22 utc | 7

Oops, very bad typo!
I meant:
“…and 1/1000th of a megaton is a kiloton.”
Missing a zero can be dangerous 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 18 2024 18:27 utc | 8

I have spent the last few months in a rabbit hole trying to find evidence that Turkey was couped by a group of FreeMasons and Zionists under the CUP, rather than a group of mainstream Turks as it is protrayed. While there isnt a great deal of information on the topic, the more I dig, the more I find. For instance, one commenter said that the Armenians and Jews were rivals to banking and commerce in the Ottoman Empire. The Sultan preferred the Armenians, but the CUP preferred Zionists and coincientally, the CUP is the party that is responsible for the Armenian Genocide. Meanwhile, last week, Erdogan makes it clear to the entire world that he is siding with the Zionists to destroy resistence to the genocide of the Palastinians, who are Sunni, the very people Erdogan publicly claims he represents. I find the Zionist coup of Turkey is spoken about much more frequently within Muslim circles than with the secular, Western Turks who are up in arms at any suggestions that Ataturk wasn’t God incarnate. Since reality changed last week and provided more evidence of my suspicions, I wonder if this topic will get any more traction then the usual shrug.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 18 2024 18:35 utc | 9

“Missing a zero can be dangerous :)”
Straight up. operator error is underrated.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 18 2024 18:36 utc | 10

On Fred’s comment (btw Fred as in the name or as in the Scandinavian word for peace?), I feel confident that:
· Syria would not have died as a country if the genocide had been stopped.
· Lebanon would not be on the verge of dying as a country if the genocide had been stopped.
· Iran would not be threatened with the prospect of dying as a country if the genocide had been stopped.
No reason it will stop there and Turkey is high on the list, maybe right after Iran. The US would love to have much better control over a future ex-Turkey.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 18 2024 18:39 utc | 11

Posted by: Fred | Dec 18 2024 18:22 utc | 7
I feel whenever Ritter becomes unhinged, it is because he has been told to push propoganda that he knows is false. It is the sign of a bad liar who wants to be a good person, but is subservient to something darker. He gets to say 90% true things, but when the time comes, he tells his loyal followers that are hanging on every word the talking points.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 18 2024 18:42 utc | 12

@ Fred | Dec 18 2024 18:22 utc | 7
I stopped reading at “Dima”. I seriously doubt that Dima has interviewed Ritter. Linkie?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 18:43 utc | 13

Fred wins his inaugural ,”The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today:” for this silly drivel:
“Scott Ritter recent video with Dima he starts yelling at Dima that Iran either starts a new nuclear inspection program or gets nuked. Since Ritter is always wrong about everything I take this with a grain of salt. Ritter frequently starts yelling at the comments during live Videos. His passport has never been returned and he is increasingly unhinged. This newest “perspective” is a apparent hope that the Trump administration wont throw him into irons for being a unregistered Russian agent.
Posted by: Fred | Dec 18 2024 18:22 utc | 7

Posted by: canuck | Dec 18 2024 18:49 utc | 14

@ Fred | Dec 18 2024 18:22 utc | 7
“I stopped reading at “Dima”. I seriously doubt that Dima has interviewed Ritter. Linkie?”
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 18:43 utc | 13
You would be wrong, one…more…..time…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxgjymiOD8

Posted by: canuck | Dec 18 2024 18:51 utc | 15

Some European and Nato countries love Neo-Nazi’s.
“The UN General Assembly has approved a Russian-proposed resolution on combating the glorification of Nazism, despite opposition from Ukraine and a significant group of Western countries.
The vote on a draft document titled ‘Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance’ took place on Tuesday. The resolution was adopted with 119 votes in favor, 53 against, and ten abstentions.
Those opposing the resolution included Ukraine – which Russia has long accused of promoting neo-Nazi ideology – and many of Kiev’s supporters, including NATO members Canada, France, Germany, the UK, the US, the Baltic states, and Poland.
Notable abstentions included Switzerland and Turkey.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 18 2024 18:56 utc | 16

@ canuck | Dec 18 2024 18:51 utc | 15
…and canuck wins today’s Most Retarded Post for not knowing the difference between the at least ethnically Iranian Nima Alkhorshid of DialogueWorks and the Belarusian war porn blogger known as Dima.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 18:57 utc | 17

My analysis of the possibility of war directly between Russia, China or Iran given the EurAsian land basis of the anti-imperial coalition and neutral forces, together with the new nature of war. EurAsia and the New Nature of War
In the bigger scheme of the world war between the West and RIC+ (BRINKCISTAN), the loss of Syria is a small tactical one and will in no way reverse the long term decline of the West.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 18 2024 19:10 utc | 18

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/world-affairs/one-day-theyll-wake-up-bob-minor/
Possibly prophetic 1925 political cartoon

Posted by: mjh | Dec 18 2024 19:39 utc | 19

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 18:57 utc | 17
I’ll be interested to see the reply to this. 😇 But no breath holding. 🤯

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 18 2024 19:47 utc | 20

Why There Won’t Be a Nuremberg 2.0
Susan Roberts article is HERE
Posted by: Ed | Dec 18 2024 17:58 utc | 3
The part that I agree with especially is this:”Maybe some incurious Americans still buy it, but nobody else does.”
And that’s the point. I would expect in the SMO conflict (if not the next one, involving perhaps Iran, China, etc. then) for the Russian Federation to have such a tribunal and f*ck what the West thinks. Simply exclude them and convict them in absentia.
If there is an arrest warrant for all of your important political leaders, then you’re going to have to focus on internal matters – especially if the bulk of the world is willing to enforce such warrants.
Even if the Russian Federation does not have such a tribunal, or is only able to carry it out formally while not being able to enforce the conclusions, I think it’s inevitable in the medium to long term for either the Russian Federation or a collective of BRICS-type countries. It will make the original Nuremberg Tribunal look like a tea party.

Posted by: NH | Dec 18 2024 20:06 utc | 21

@malenkov | Dec 18 2024 18:43 utc | 13
His name is Nima, a completely different person than ‘Dima’

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2024 20:25 utc | 22

@ Norwegian | Dec 18 2024 20:25 utc | 22
I beat you to that comment by about 90 minutes. Do uou read before posting?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 20:30 utc | 23

LoL @Norwegian – so both posts by malenkov and canuck were not retarded enough 🙂

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 18 2024 20:36 utc | 24

Going to sleep! (Hopefully) 😀
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 18 2024 18:17 utc | 6
It’s not solely about force, it’s about accuracy and enough force.
Hit no.10 Downing st, and all the nuclear Installations, the White House and the pentagon so fast the cany avoid it or see it coming and you’re good to go.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Dec 18 2024 20:43 utc | 25

@malenkov | Dec 18 2024 20:30 utc | 23
Yes, otherwise I could not respond. But I don’t always read to the end first, as you noticed. But the response was correct anyway, if redundant.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2024 20:51 utc | 26

But the response was correct anyway, if redundant.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2024 20:51 utc | 26
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Correct, redundant, and even useful, as it provoked persiflo to an act of what he might call Selbstblamage…

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 20:56 utc | 27

So, in currency terms, how many Dimas to the Nima???

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 18 2024 21:00 utc | 28

Only 28 posts and already I’ve walked in on a bar brawl.
My 88 yr old father thinks Putin has Parkinson’s disease. Sounds like BS to me, but are there any embers behind this smoke?

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 18 2024 21:21 utc | 29

US central bankers rug pulled their bubble market today,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrF5x1OSJuQ

Posted by: PubliusFlavius | Dec 18 2024 21:24 utc | 30

@ Patroklos | Dec 18 2024 21:21 utc | 29
President Putin will be holding his annual year-end press-conference-cum-Q&A on Friday, at which time we can all diagnose his health to the best of our abilities.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 21:36 utc | 31

Nabiullina said Russia has an imbalance of supply and demand. Russia don’t have what they need and have too much of what they can’t sell.
This imbalance is not sustainable and raising the key rate to 21% won’t solve the problem. It just allows the bubble to get bigger for a while longer.(Russia economy is not sustainable for much longer and other economists say 5 years absolute maximum)
If Russia doesn’t solve this imbalance, their economy will either reach stagflation and implode. Or require an external economical imput(a bail out).
And the only ones big enough to bail Russia are USA, China and EU.
One of these 3 will own Russia.(If this trend continues)

Posted by: Pcostix | Dec 18 2024 21:42 utc | 32

how many Dimas to the Nima???
@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 18 2024 21:00 utc | 28

In order for there to be an exchange rate, you need interested buyers and sellers.
Elsewhere in the commentariat, a real shit-storm of spite has blown up between Gilbert Doctorow and John Helmer. Aside from their mutual fluency in Russian, there appears scant commonality between the two in style, sources, or social philosophy.
I feel sheepish admitting that very hot-headed disputes (“these boys just plain don’t like each other”) are especially interesting when there’s a whole architecture of philosophical distinction underlying the emotional outburst. So far as I understand it, Helmer and Doctorow part company most dramatically on Putin’s competence, with Helmer sketching Putin as a tragic failure. Especially after the fall of Damascus.
My impression is that both have interesting information to share, which I’m not hearing from anyone else. I don’t have to decide which side I’m on. At least not yet.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 18 2024 21:50 utc | 33

Considering the83rd anniversary of pearl harbour I thought some might be interested in this story. On 19th nov 1941 the HMAS Sydney was sunk of the coast of Western Australia.The official version was that she was told of a German raider in the area the Kormoran , sailed up to an unidentified ship and was sunk with all hands lost. The Kormoran was damaged and scuttled with 386survivors Whenever an Aus. Ship was sunk there was a royal commission within a year or so Sydney had to wait for 60 years. When they finally found both ships in2008 the bow of Sydney was blown off. There always rumours of a jap sub involved and not long after a jap sub was sunk of Darwin in the royal commission for the Sydney in2001 a submission was made that 5 nations were involved in the coverup Germany Japan USA Aust and of course England .I think most people here know that Pearl Harbour had to happen .Another submission was that the original captain Collins went to Japan after the war hoping to find survivors.As for the German crew they became POWs but near the end of the war they tried to escape fearing they would be tried as war criminals as2 Farley floats were found with bullet holes in them also one dead sailor. The only ones who know the truth were the German crew ,maybe a relative of the crew could con firm what happened ,noillfeelings from this end as terrible things happen in war.

Posted by: Q-lander | Dec 18 2024 22:21 utc | 34

@ Aleph_Null | Dec 18 2024 21:50 utc | 33
FWIW I don’t hold either of Helmer or Doctorow in particularly high regard; both of them can bring some genuinely useful new perspectives to absorb, but equally both of them featherbed the nuggets among copious amounts of speculative waffle and wibble; sure, many of us do the same but at least I’m not trying to make a living out of it…
Re: “exchange rate”, I gave up watching Dima 2 years ago, I still watch Nima’s channel, depending on the guest.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 18 2024 22:22 utc | 35

FWIW I don’t hold either of Helmer or Doctorow in particularly high regard; both of them can bring some genuinely useful new perspectives to absorb, but equally both of them featherbed the nuggets among copious amounts of speculative waffle and wibble; sure, many of us do the same but at least I’m not trying to make a living out of it…
Re: “exchange rate”, I gave up watching Dima 2 years ago, I still watch Nima’s channel, depending on the guest.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 18 2024 22:22 utc | 35
I don’t read Helmet at all, but Gil definitely has some draw backs: 1) bourgeois academic 2) tremendous delusions about US “democracy” and Trump, in particular and 3) crypto Zionist.
I never noticed the last trait until he began calling anyone who questioned whether Israel or the US is actually making the foreign policy decisions for the empire…anti semitic.
Peace and good will to the bar! ✌️

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 18 2024 22:32 utc | 36

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 18 2024 18:42 utc | 12
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I think you might be wrong; back it up!

Posted by: Ed | Dec 18 2024 22:39 utc | 37

Posted by: Fred | Dec 18 2024 18:22 utc | 7
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Just another “weak” Putin troll who doesn’t know what he is talking about. Dima? Really?

Posted by: Ed | Dec 18 2024 22:47 utc | 38

I guarantee you that behind the scenes Chabad Putin is coordinating with the Israelis in their attacks on Syria, giving them all the required info. When you look at it, you can see that Putin’s only REAL objective in Syria has been to protect the genocidal Zionist entity.
By the way it is a most unwise move by Assad to go to Moscow to the heart of the Zionist regime of Putin, don’t be at all surprised if they knock him off there once they no longer need him, and that won’t be too long i think.

Posted by: Jason | Dec 19 2024 0:13 utc | 39

@ jason
you’re getting a good reputation for your consistency… i have to remember to skip over your posts…

Posted by: james | Dec 19 2024 0:55 utc | 40

Canada’s current political issues stem from the need to collapse the government and get the Conservatives in power before the polling data changes or the Con leader gets a foot stuck in his mouth. It is entirely generated by the legacy media, i.e. top down.
Hard to tell if Freeland actually has a base within the Liberal Party or is intending to jump to the Cons.
Crazy disruption across western bourgeois politics. Trump loves to punch down, and it should be expected he will screw over putative allies rather than Russia or China – at least initially. Canada limited its own policy options over the past years, not least with the Huawei kidnapping (with Freeland’s active involvement). This corresponds with ramped-up 5 Eyes activity – and membership in that club strictly limits foreign policy options. 2% spending target on arms for NATO will also add at least $30 billion to federal budget – where does that come from?

Posted by: jayc | Dec 19 2024 0:55 utc | 41

Putin is a graduate of Klaus Schwab’s “Global Leaders for Tomorrow” program (now renamed the Forum of Young Global Leaders), launched in 1992 and associated with the WEF*. At one time, members of this structure, in addition to Putin, included Angela Merkel, Emmanuel Macron, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, Bill Gates, Amazon founder and until recently the richest man on earth Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Google co-founder Sergey Brin, and many other politicians, media and business leaders.

Posted by: joie de vivre | Dec 19 2024 1:30 utc | 42

@Posted by: jayc | Dec 19 2024 0:55 utc | 41
Trudeau oversaw the final acts of the turning of Canada into a complete US vassal, started in the 1980s by Mulroney. And empires tend to abuse their vassals. The Liberals problems are very much created by themselves, as they reneged on their election promises and served their bosses rather than the people of Canada. Trudeau was already readying himself to be Trumps bitch, there will not be a lot of real differences between him and Polievre; the latter will just enjoy the abuse a lot more.
Trudeau has been hanging on with the help of the NDP since 2019, and the snap 2021 election that no one wanted did not give him a majority while angering many. Singh’s “all bark and no bite” attitude may keep him there for quite a while longer. Freeland is unelectable, many dislike her even more than Trudeau.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 19 2024 1:36 utc | 43

James @ 2, Jayc @ 41, Roger Boyd @ 43:
How much of Canada’s debt and impoverishment is due to the Deputy Prime Minister / Finance Minister putting her allegiance to Grandpappy Mykhailo Chomiak and her Banderastan fantasy over and above her duty and responsibility to the country where she was born and which gave her the platform from which she could betray her electorate and rob the Canadian people?
If Canadians knew how much Freeland was giving to Banderastan, secretly as well as openly, she’d be in fear for her life.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 1:47 utc | 44

Some things never change, I guess, and wonder what malenkov would say. Anyway, here’s my argument another Eurodance video:
[jukebox] Haddaway – Life

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 19 2024 1:51 utc | 45

Pcostix | Dec 18 2024 21:42 utc | 32
*** Nabiullina said Russia has an imbalance of supply and demand. ***
Nabulina the purveyor of Neoliberalism, an ideology which seeks to force *all* countries into subservience to global debt-finance — perpetual debt enslavement — and its masters.
Presently fronted by the traitorous filth administering the US-empire and its ever more sycophantic satellites.
As the WEF desires, everyone else will own nothing. Putin is chums with the WEF and wants so-called “foreign investment” in Russia … though that happens to be a major step towards foreign ownership.
Will the water, power, and even postal services of Russia end up in foreign corporate hands?
England’s did thanks to what was effectively theft by ‘Thatcherite’/ “alleged free-market” politicians and top bureaucrats filling their own corrupt pockets under several flags of party connivance.
So now it’s onwards to an eventually resurrected TTIP, no doubt facilitated with absurd screams of “antisemitism!” (by then in itself made a very serious criminal offence) as one of its electric fences or cattle-prods.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 19 2024 1:54 utc | 46

@ Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 1:47 utc | 44
response to the last sentence of your post- i wish that was the case!! canucks are too stupid to know anything about that.. the yellow and blue flags are still raised in many households here in canuck/banderstan…she has aspirations of grandeur and would probably like to be the head of the liberal party… this is the kind of crap that qualifies for leadership in canada.. an insane far right ideologue is seen as a middle of the road intelligent and good candidate for canuck leadership!! it is scary shit… we can thank a hopeless media experience here in canada, headed my the cbc with plenty of backstop from the usual media outlets that make sure the oligarchs interests are well looked after and only served…

Posted by: james | Dec 19 2024 2:01 utc | 47

@Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 1:47 utc | 44
The impoverishment and vassalization of Canadians has been a multi-decade cross-party project! Trudeau and Freeland accelerated the impoverishment through the acceleration of mass immigration, the mishandling of COVID-19 and keeping interest rates far too low and creating a melt up in house prices. Then there is the C$20 billion for Ukraine, which could have helped with a lot of things.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 19 2024 2:03 utc | 48

Aurelien gives an excellent critique of the west:

You may remember that in David Foster Wallace’s masterpiece, years are all given (sponsored) names, rather than conventional dates. That set me thinking, and I would like to nominate 2024 as the Year of Failing to Understand, at least from the point of view of the West. This failure may be deliberately willed, it may be an incapacity, it is probably a mixture of the two. But however you look at it, the defining feature of 2024 has been the West’s failure to understand what’s happening in the world and why it has happened. It’s more than a series of errors, in my view: it’s a developing structural incapacity to understand, which is being continually reinforced as the western elite becomes ever more interchangeably faceless, ever more ideologically homogeneous, and ever more resistant to mere facts, as they subside into a fantasy world of their own creation. If I have to read one more story about how western governments and pundits were “surprised” by this or that development, I swear I’ll scream. But it all comes ultimately from a refusal or inability to understand, mixed with an arrogant certainty that we have understood, and that what we think is not only right, but objectively important. Let me begin with a simple case and work on from there.

https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/the-year-of-failing-to-understand

Posted by: NotEinstein | Dec 19 2024 2:04 utc | 49

my friend told me jagmeet singh is waiting for his pension to kick in february 2025, so he will hold off voting no confidence in trudeau at least until he gets his pension… i don’t know if that is true, but if so, don’t expect a no confidence vote until after this important date for jagmeet! that is what qualifies for leadership here in canada.. it’s quite despicable..

Posted by: james | Dec 19 2024 2:05 utc | 50

Well that’s an interesting barking Ritter with Nima.
It’s late here so a quick take for now.
I’ll get batshit crazy with a longer one in the morning in case anyone is interested.
Ritter was VERY good in the last part,on Syria.
A lot to agree with there especially the derangement syndrome of dumb collective wasters emotionally supporting a Palestine ,but not a Syria, that enabled the survival of Gaza and West Bank…for all these years as part of Solemanis Resistance.
Very good.
But he does not quite get it with Iran.
NO. The Yankees can’t tell an ancient civilisation to shut up, give up and become a vassal like the rest of the West Asian satrapy’s.
Of course they will stop hating the great Satan when it stops trying to take over Iran.
Not at all good!
And he seems a bit bug eyed crazy in the first part on the assassination – pointedly sticking to it being only the Ukropians responsibility, for which they must be smitted mightily!
Bark bark barking mad like his excitable pooches.
G’dnight barflies.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 19 2024 2:13 utc | 51

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 18 2024 21:21 utc | 29
I’d been hooing that I might catch you here on an open thread.
I just have a quick question that you may be of assistance with.
I’m doing a lot of reading on the history and medico-physiological effects of Pb/lead/plumbum, and was wondering if during your historical reading and research you had come across any references to the subject.
Not requesting that you invest valuable time chasing it up, but any references or sources to information from the Greek/Roman/etc etas would be of much use.
Thanks in advance for any sources of pertinent information you could suggest.
Regards from Brighton Le Sands.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 19 2024 2:21 utc | 52

*hoping

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 19 2024 2:22 utc | 53

Hello Jason,
What will Assad’s departure look like?
– Assad falls out of the skyscraper window.
– Assad suffers a car accident.
– Assad has a fatal heart attack/stroke.
– Assad crashes in a helicopter.
– Assad plays drunkenly with hand grenades in his private airplane.
– Assad is blown up with a scooter bomb as he leaves the house.
– …
Write a book.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 2:24 utc | 54

@ Jon_in_AU
https://www.wissenschaft.de/geschichte-archaeologie/reichtum-war-im-mittelalter-giftig/
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»Wealth was poisonous in the Middle Ages
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Wealth was poisonous in the Middle Ages
The wealthy urban population of the Middle Ages paid a price for their wealth, Danish researchers report: People were continually exposed to lead, which dissolved from the beautiful glazes of their precious cups and plates. The resulting heavy metal contamination is documented by studies of skeletons from Danish and German cemeteries.
For their study, the researchers led by Kaare Lund Rasmussen from the University of Southern Denmark in Odense analyzed samples from 207 skeletons from six medieval cemeteries in northern Germany and Denmark. Four were burial sites of relatively poor rural populations, while the other two cemeteries were the final resting places of wealthy city dwellers.
“We found major differences in heavy metal contamination,” reports Lund Rasmussen: “The bones of the medieval rural population contained very little lead, in stark contrast to the values ​​of city dwellers: many samples showed significantly increased levels of the toxic metal.” According to the researchers, this difference was probably mainly due to the glazed dishes that the city population valued: “Lead oxide was used as a component of ceramic glazes because it kept the dishes clean and looked nice,” says Lund Rasmussen. At the time, no one suspected the critical side effect of these glazes: “When it comes into contact with salty and acidic foods, lead dissolves and passes into the food,” explains the researcher.
Leaden City Life
In addition to the dishes, there could also have been another source of contamination typical of the city, say the scientists: some of the elegant houses were covered with lead tiles. Since rainwater was used as drinking water, these tiles could also have contributed to lead contamination in the city. “Rich people and the city population in general could hardly avoid ingesting lead,” says Lund Rasmussen. One particularly critical factor in this context could have been: “Lead contamination can lead to a decline in mental performance in children,” emphasizes the researcher.
For the rural population, however, the situation was probably poor but healthier. They could not afford glazed tableware, or it was not even available. Instead, people used unglazed ceramics, thereby unknowingly protecting themselves from lead contamination, say Lund Rasmussen and his colleagues.
(automatically translated with google)

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 2:35 utc | 55

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 2:35 utc | 55
Thanks for the info. I’ll check it out.
Cheers.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 19 2024 3:07 utc | 56

Israel and/or US are really attacking Yemen now.

Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 19 2024 3:38 utc | 57

Patroklos @ 29:
Putin’s Keynote Address at Valdai Forum 2024
Watch the video and judge for yourself if Putin is afflicted with Parkinson’s disease, chronic heart disease, various cancers and about twenty other deadly diseases that Western medical experts who have never had him as their patient have diagnosed.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 4:58 utc | 58

Everything is as it should be. The awkward dislocation, the stations of comfort, refinement and certainty.
Humans have been dragged a long way in a short amount of time. They are tired. All inventions of pleasure and death are self evident . This evolves in a confused, doubtful civilization. But we take pride,

Posted by: Middle-man | Dec 19 2024 5:56 utc | 59

Thanks in advance for any sources of pertinent information you could suggest.
Regards from Brighton Le Sands.
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 19 2024 2:21 utc | 52
I know you didn’t ask me, and not sure what you wanted, causes and prevalence or effects.
But you might enjoy these articles.
The first builds upon the one I was trying to recover about lead in ice cores
https://phys.org/news/2019-07-pollution-arctic-ice-economic-impact.html
This one about some acknowledgment of lead , its effects and even treatments (since antiquity)
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0960327117737146
enjoy

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2024 6:01 utc | 60

Trump’s ’51st State’ Trolling Aimed At Putting Canada ‘Off Balance’ Says Expert
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6595919
Prof Floyd Rudmin: Bordering on Aggression
https://peacemagazine.org/archive/v09n2p20.htm
“The following is a summary of a lecture presented on January 28 as one of Science For Peace’s Lectures in Peace Studies at the University College of the University of Toronto.
The information for the lecture and summary comes from the book, ‘Bordering On Aggression: Evidence of US Military Preparations Against Canada.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 19 2024 7:06 utc | 61

@63
You are who you are. But if everyone thought like me,
the world would be beautiful. That’s sarcasm Philly

Posted by: Middle-man | Dec 19 2024 7:57 utc | 62

I noticed in my daily email from Telesur that they reported on the election of the German PM: “Germany: PM Kretschmer re-elected in Saxony” … it’s just that that’s kind of out of the region
All I know is Morse code has dots and dashes and I’m not sure if that’s what this is in this pretty Christmas card from the Canadian War Museum and the Canadian Museum of History
https://youtu.be/-9qVNsbfsW0

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Dec 19 2024 10:16 utc | 63

Jon in AU @ 52:
I think a first-hand source of information on the use of lead in aqueduct pipes and its effects on human health in the Roman era may be the Roman engineer Vitruvius’s manual “De Architectura”. (I’m not sure of the volume number.) There may be English-language translations available from nearby universities (University of Sydney, University of New South Wales) or you can check the online catalogue of the National Library of Australia to see if it holds an English-language copy.
Vitruvius advocated that pipes used for transporting water through aqueducts should be made of terracotta.
It is my understanding though that calcium carbonate in water often coated the insides of lead pipes, so as long as the pipes were cleaned infrequently, and people got their water straight from city fountains and not siphoned from public water tanks through pipes that sent water to private homes of the wealthy, the risk of lead contamination among most Romans was low.
Of course if people drank their wine from cups and ate food from dishes covered with lead glaze, and wore make-up containing lead-based powder, that would be a different story.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 10:45 utc | 64

Further to my comment @ 66, Romans apparently slathered their food in a salty sauce made from fermented fish guts, and it is likely that acids from such a sauce could react with lead glazing on dishes to form compounds that might end up being ingested.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 10:54 utc | 65

Somaliland to host US military base – and in return Somaliland will receive international recognition as a country – its not for just one country (USA) to say that, right – Somaliland is a country because we say so – yet US minions will fall in line with what the USA tells them to.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 19 2024 11:00 utc | 66

Good morning from London.
To continue my late night pondering on where exactly those USAians actually stand – Ritter, MacGregor, the Laingians… the now daily highly exposed Sachs, lesser now Mearsheimer, the Helmer/Doctorow Punch and Judy etc – the ‘experts’ and their interlocutors – The Judge and of course Top Cat , Carlson. And of course the BSD KingofMars Elon heself!
Simple answer – they are just as rabid ‘National Interest’ warriors as all the other apparatchiks of US mainstream Narrative managers. All sheepdogs working the sheeple in all the fields – which is not largely two dimensional, like real sheep and left and right and centre herding.
To illustrate this perception (happy to be corrected) I’ll just refer to the rest of that pretty amazing performance by Ritter with Nima and an observation on the Oreshniks wonderous one off display, even as the natzios try desperately to incite another, to try and figure out wtf it is and where?
Why is the Inspector sending out mixed messages on DJT?
Is he in some way looking for a job in the new administration?
Strange way of going about it, calling Drumpff useless one moment but in the next breath – likely successful as a directly involved negotiator with the big boys to avoid the Big Balloons exploding!
To try and explain. I’ll star like VVP with a short history lesson!
The US and 5+1 eyed illegal apartheid entity in the Levant – are many orders of ages younger than these actual Ancients of EurAsia and much of the Global South.
In fact they are in high likelihood of falling apart under the strain of their forced birth and growth – resembling the Frankeinstein Monsters fate that they inevitably deserve. Especially the Gollum that has been running amok from its creation 80 years ago.
Poisoning wells and slaughtering the ancients as it devours the cradle of civilisation witg its supremacism.
In addition the mongrel Anglo European Ziofascist Imperial power is a whole ocean and sea away, isolated in its own continent.
It was created to extend all the previous colonisations over the centuries.
By control of the seas.
To surround and finally take the World Island.
So taking the Iran angle first, that vexed Ritter a lot.
The iranians aren’t like the desert camel train tribes trading in slavery and gold and fronting the Black Gold larceny of the seven sisters. These sand tribals are tiny in population and have zero chance of existing without their current modern slave forces coming out of the purposely kept impoverished Sub Continent and African masses. They were creatures of the Anglo Europeans for centuries.
The ancient Persians are part of the original Fertile Crescent as the ‘cradle of civilisation’ that eventually gave rise to European civilsation.
They are 90 plus millions of well educated and highly technological competent.
Turkey – who they are supposed to be inferior to (they grew together) is smaller by few millions, and also in landmass.
So at worse an equal capability.
Because Turks too, are advanced peoples with industrial and technology.
They both have plenty of history of coexistence.
That makes it very likely such relations will continue through many future generations.
Iraq and Syria combined don’t make 70 million! They didn’t exist before being carved out of the Ottoman Empire after hundreds of years of trying, (Egypt being the greatest victim) by the Anglo European Imperialist drawing lines on maps a hundred years ago !!
I posted on one of it’s main authors, Gertrude Bell a few days ago.
Hence Ritters talking tough and threatening Death to the Iranians to force them not to protect themselves with Nukes. By threatening the use of Nukes if they do try, so they can’t have the same luxury of MAD security – is flawed imo.
But maybe it’s genius?
Especially since Ritter completely ignored the SCO that Iran is now a full member of – which means Iran is not alone, like Iraq and Libya were.
There is the substantial Dragon Bear with all the nukes and more, much more, that they can give to Iran – for FREE.
Threatening Iran is one thing. Attacking them is another.
Their Big Boys will be right there to hand out serious smitting!
That brings me to the first part of the conversation – Ritter showing some of his deep streak USMC and Natzo gung-ho mindset.
Wanting the RF to retaliate directly for the IED assassination of the venerable General.
It’s not the first time is it?
He has been a bit suspect in my eyes when he was jumping up and down like Tigger wanting to incite the Big Arrows from Belorussia early on. Encouraging the grand folly of trying to take all of the Ukraine. Same goes for MacGregor and other such ‘rebel’ ex CIA/military types across the social and alt media.
This goes back to the strategy long identified and developed to force Russia to Invade across its western borders; As a counter to yet another attempt to capture and balkanise it.
Many of the wikileaks memos show what the redlines would be for the Russians, l which toes stamped on would force them to make a cross border move first.
Why?
Because after centuries of constantly invading Russia and being blown back – the Rest of The World has a great respect for Russia and its righteous survival.
That was why the rock of Ukraine was built for the RF to not just dash itself against but to lose its standing with the Global South.
Which brings me to the point of the very sensational use of the only wonderwaffen since the drone wars and glide bombs got underway. So far! I’m sure there are more and on both sides.
The Oreshnik amazing landing videos were instantly available all over the web – almost as if the cameras were all primed !
(You know a bit like the Twin Towers day of coverage and demolitions 😉 )
A performance that would be unmissed by the Billions across the whole world.
Why?
Because when the Nut is unleashed in salvos to land a knockout blow on the natzios super duper F35’s, stealth this that and other, deep command and control bunkers and bases, from which direct attacks were being lanched on Russia. It won’t be possible to claim that that retaliation for further provocation from Storm Shadows and direct Natzios involvement – by the Collective Wastes Narrative Constructors- that it was a First Strike nuke by the RF!
One that would justifiably unleash immediate ‘retaliation using Nukes in RETURN’ – targeting deep Russia. And leading to hundreds of millions dead and widespread radiation. For many many generations. Because the Crazy Few really believe it’s worth it to hang on as the Global Robber Baron dynasties deep in their underground/underwater and Space station lairs …
But now, by the display of that single oreshnik, the majority of humanity would know that it would be a LIE and it was the non nuke Oreshnik(s) that dismantled the Collective Wests war machinery and bases. I don’t doubt there are massive numbers already produced and part of the SCO collective security defence plans.
The multidimensional chess games are being played.
Ritter and other of his ilk are playing their multidimensional sheepdog parts.
Any takers?
Ps regarding the muddled thinking on Syria this post by Suriyak (via GeromanAT) this morning makes the same superlative points as Ritter and more.
https://nitter.poast.org/Suriyakmaps/status/1869526156724301925
It deserves to be quoted in full but I’ve already gone on too long maybe b will?
Or others here. Or I’ll do it myself later.
Adieu for now folks.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 19 2024 11:11 utc | 67

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 10:45 utc | 66
They would also heat up lead vessels and poor in wine as the reaction between the lead and the acids would make the wine extremely sweet.
Plumbum vino. Very popular drink in Rome back in the days of watching people being alive by lions for entertainment. Might have been related. I think the leaded gasoline did something similar in the America’s last century.

Posted by: Badjoke | Dec 19 2024 11:13 utc | 68

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 10:54 utc | 67
Interesting.
The Roman fish sauce is called garum. This thesis describes an attempt to re-create garum. On page 186 a graph of the pH of garum as the sauce matures. On page 100 the methodology of the pH measurement. The document is in Spanish.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 19 2024 11:31 utc | 69

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 19 2024 10:54 utc | 67
Bad link to the thesis, please use this

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 19 2024 11:32 utc | 70

This is not about plumb, but it should be noted from a medical and archaeological point of view that this Roman fish sauce was of such inferior quality that a large part of the population of the Roman Empire at the time was infested with parasitic fish worms. Perhaps someone who knows something about this can comment.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 11:50 utc | 71

Putin is a graduate of Klaus Schwab’s “Global Leaders for Tomorrow” program (now renamed the Forum of Young Global Leaders), launched in 1992 and associated with the WEF*.
Posted by: joie de vivre | Dec 19 2024 1:30 utc | 42
I’ll call BS on that one. These claims are a beat up It’s as if anyone standing within a mile of Schwab catches a mutated virus and they become automatons for life especially if they one day become famous and connected to big business or govt. It’s clearly nuts. It’s good to be sceptical.
https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_First40Years_Book_2010.pdf
Posted by: Philly | Dec 19 2024 6:28 utc | 61
Putin as a good KCB official was there to spy on the evil WEF.
Simple.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 19 2024 11:52 utc | 72

Not sure if already mentioned here, apologies if so.
A few people attempted to BBQ some Zionists in a Melbourne synagogue on the 6th December 2024 at about 4am in the morning.
Melbourne synagogue fire condemned by PM as ‘act of hate’, as witnesses describe seeing masked attackers
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-06/melbourne-synagogue-fire-adass-israel-community-suspicious/104692108
Naturally the response by the Zionists was to wail victim-hood and that state and federal governments didn’t protect them enough.
“The Jewish Community Council of Victoria condemned the attack; JCCV CEO Naomi Levin stated: “We were absolutely shocked, but not surprised, to hear that a synagogue here in Melbourne had been attacked overnight. The Jewish community has been warning about an unacceptable rise in antisemitism for more than a year. We hoped it would never come to this, but today, our fears have been realised.”[42] ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Melbourne_synagogue_attack
Thankfully the Victorian Premier, Jacinta Allan has offered tax-payers to help rebuild, despite the state of Victoria being under record levels of debt.
“The premier also pledged $100,000(AUD) from the Victorian government to support the rebuilding work for the synagogue.”
The synagogue should have insurance that would cover repairs. I guess the $100K will be sent to Israel to “defend” itself from Palestinian civilians.
Naturally the federal government has jump in to protect the Zionists terrorist cult. The Australian Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, has offered up to $57 million for security at “Jewish community sites”.
“He announced that a $25 million fund available to fund security measures for Jewish community sites would be extended to a second round, with an additional $32.5 million available over the next 18 months.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-08/pm-says-adass-israel-synagogue-attack-terrorism/104699276
Nuttyahoo blamed the attack on Australia’s support “of a United Nations resolution calling on Israel to end to its “unlawful presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory”.
Whilst Israel’s President Isaac Herzog said, “I noted to the prime minister that this rise and the increasingly serious antisemitic attacks on the Jewish community required firm and strong action…”
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/labor-minister-hits-back-at-israeli-pm-drawing-link-between-un-vote-and-synagogue-burning/pt74fwb26
Mass-murders do love “firm and strong” to prove their prowess…
The arson attack maybe a false-flag operation to help create sympathy for the genociders is another school of thought.

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Dec 19 2024 12:03 utc | 73

Like any lazy socialist you spend other people’s Intellectual capital.
I trademarked, “The Most retarded Post I Have Read Today” so you stole it so your attribution is incorrect; can’t you socialists have any originality-can’t you pick up your critical trademark and criticize me with your own ideas?
Malenkov-your missive just illustrates the paucity , moral bankruptcy of extreme socialism and their ‘discontents’ (1)
1. Paraphrasing , Freud’s, “Civilization and its Discontents” (1929); because as an Intellectual Capitalist one does not steal other’s ideas.
@ canuck | Dec 18 2024 18:51 utc | 15
…and canuck wins today’s Most Retarded Post for not knowing the difference between the at least ethnically Iranian Nima Alkhorshid of DialogueWorks and the Belarusian war porn blogger known as Dima.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2024 18:57 utc | 17

Posted by: canuck | Dec 19 2024 12:06 utc | 74

Some things never change, I guess, and wonder what malenkov would say. Anyway, here’s my argument another Eurodance video:
[jukebox] Haddaway – Life
Posted by: persiflo | Dec 19 2024 1:51 utc | 45
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Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance!

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 19 2024 12:58 utc | 75

a large part of the population of the Roman Empire at the time was infested with parasitic fish worms. Perhaps someone who knows something about this can comment.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 11:50 utc | 73
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Highly probable. The same thing occurs regularly in SE Asia to this very day, where homemade fermented fish paste is a thing.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 19 2024 13:05 utc | 76

To the illiterate at 12:06 utc:
“Als man sich gerade über die Beschießung von Shanghai durch die Japaner erregte und ich Karl Kraus bei einem der berühmten Beistrich-Probleme antraf, sagte er ungefähr: Ich weiß, daß das alles sinnlos ist, wenn das Haus in Brand steht. Aber solange das irgend möglich ist, muß ich das machen, denn hätten die Leute, die dazu verpflichtet sind, immer darauf geachtet, daß die Beistriche am richtigen Platz stehen, so würde Shanghai nicht brennen.“

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 19 2024 13:09 utc | 77

10 year stubbornly above 4.5%
Recall at those interest rates 30-35% of Federal Income will be devoted to interest payments in FY2025.
De-dollarization brings peace in 2027 .

Posted by: Exile | Dec 19 2024 13:41 utc | 78

“Axis of Evil” is back.

“China has a choice to make,” Sullivan said on Dec. 17 in a conversation with Eurasia Group and GZERO Media President Ian Bremmer at the 92NY in New York City. “It can either continue to tighten those links militarily, diplomatically … [or] end up in a circumstance where it is really part of an axis.”

Posted by: librul | Dec 19 2024 13:44 utc | 79

Salaam,Philly-@61, do reference Einstein here – “There are two things that are infinte human stupidity and the universe,and I’m not so sure about the universe.” In this the digital age of monetisation stupidity is highly contagious.”joi de vivre” gotta getta life.

Posted by: 4q8 | Dec 19 2024 13:55 utc | 80

I see malenkov is throwing a pearl in the general direction of the illiterate, and a proper one at that. That would be the pearl I’m talking about, of course; that’s a big, fat, shiny one for you guys —
There is Karl Kraus, the loudmouth editor of a Vienna periodical called The Torchlight, producing one of the most funny and disturbing jokes of the 20th century. Always a sharp commenter, Kraus notes that the news of Japanese shelling China supports his spleeny insistence on the rules of grammar: ‘If those who are obliged to check if all commata are correctly placed would have done their duty, Shanghai would not be burning now!’

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 19 2024 13:55 utc | 81

Salaam, republicofscotland@68- yeah do not forget the exceptional ones recognized Kosovo too as an Independent state.The Serbs don’t🤫

Posted by: 4q8 | Dec 19 2024 14:02 utc | 82

@ persiflo | Dec 19 2024 13:55 utc | 83
…and yet Kraus was right, as any lawyer can tell you. (The absence or presence of a comma also changes the meaning of Kraus’s most famous poem.)
While I wouldn’t go as far as Kraus as to maintain that the perfect execution of language precludes the possibility of lying, it is quite true that lies can be hidden easily behind sloppy formulations.
I’d go further by maintaining that people who can’t even get simple names right (and worse, insist on their incorrect versions) show more interest in the sound of their voices than in thevissues attending those names.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 19 2024 14:05 utc | 83

33, 42, 11. I continue to be troubled by the part played by Russia in Syria. Doctorow on Nima recently asserted that Russia’s interest in Syria which led it to enter in 2015 to help the Assad regime to defeat IS, did not extend beyond that goal. To defeat the jihadist HTS movement in Dec. 2024 was no longer it’s purpose. Earlier, Russia had considered IS to be a threat to its own territorial integrity. It didn’t care about Syria beyond that country’s being a theater to fight the jihadists; entering another country for this reason being perfectly legitimate that Russia had no responsibility toward Syria. So basically just used Syria as the theater of the war, at a distance from its own territory. Which is just fine, says Doctorow.
Ironically, in Laith Marouf’s interview on Activist News Network earlier on Dec. 15th, which I referenced in an earlier thread on MOA, in which Marouf said he believed Russia had played a role in allowing the destruction of Syria — that Russia could have defeated HTS just as it did IS in 2015 (which they failed to complete then) — Marouf ends up supporting Doctorow.
Marouf points out that “neither Iran nor Russia flooded the market with …needs of the the Syrian people nor paid salaries”. He is saying, this is what a country must do if it seriously wants to protect an ally. Russia and Iran did not give this level of support to Syria. The US has proxies like Ukraine but it pays the gov’t’s salaries. Although, for US European ‘allies,’ it’s not looking like the best situation for a country to be in. But what about Russian allies. What does it mean to be one?
Assad learned he wasn’t going to get what he needed from Iran or Russia to keep his country afloat economically, and he was turning elsewhere ,I agree with those who say this, even before Russia told him early in December no military aid and then a couple of weeks later,get on the plane, it’s over. (Alexander Mercouris has said yesterday that Wagner got the rest of the Assad tribe to Russia).
Most people have moved on, but I am still remembering when people were speculating what help for the Palestinians could be looked for from Russia, China and the BRICS. I now agree with this post #11 by Sunny Runny Burger:
“Syria would not have died as a country if the genocide had been stopped.
· Lebanon would not be on the verge of dying as a country if the genocide had been stopped.
· Iran would not be threatened with the prospect of dying as a country if the genocide had been stopped.
No reason it will stop there …”

Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 19 2024 14:31 utc | 84

In my search to know more about Russia’s role in recent events in Syria, having mentioned commentaries by Gilbert Doctorow and Laith Marouf on what Russia did or should have done, there was this revelation by John Helmer in “Dances With Bears,” where I understood him to have said, the Russian military General Staff gave the OK to Putin’s wish not to send air support to Syria (even though Iran’s Revolutionary Guards were mobilized to enter Syria), if Putin would authorize heavy bombing of Ukraine’s electric infrastructure.

Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 19 2024 14:59 utc | 85

guest from franconia | Dec 19 2024 2:35 utc | 55 ….
Certainly interesting, but ….
How come the populations are even stupider now without lead, than they were then with it?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 19 2024 15:34 utc | 86

Karl Kraus’ joke is dead serious; that why it’s so funny. You don’t need to step into lawfare to observe the problem (indeed it could be argued that such would diminish the point) – and this problem is of an almost archetypical nature for the famous remark by Nietzsche about the Abgrund staring back at, or even ‘into’ you. In fact, it’s true what Kraus is hinting at, if somewhat overdone to good but grotesque effect: meticulous rigour in grammar and speech directly translates into rigorous thought, and thence into reason of ethics.
That said, I’m not sure about the use of comma at all in Chinese and Japanese scripture, but still.
Putin is a lawyer. How did he reason on the downfall of Syria? Perhaps he opted to switch one bad deed for another: rather than creating his own local auxiliaries and throw them against the tentacles of empire, he let Syria come down by simply standing aside, expecting the fruit to be a poison for the new owners of the land. It’s quite the allegory here: those religious nuts aren’t too well-versed in critique of scripture anyhow, as one might think …

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 19 2024 16:08 utc | 87

The Trump regime went after the Myanmar junta in its first term,

While he was threatening People’s Korea, Iran and Venezuela in his United Nations speech, U.S. President Donald Trump also demanded that the U.N. Security Council take “strong and swift action” to end violence against Myanmar’s Rohingya population.
U.S. government officials, including U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Vice President Mike Pence, have called for immediate action and delivery of humanitarian aid to the Rohingya.’

The ‘sheriff’ always get its man !

ICC arrest warrant for Myanmar junta for ‘committing genocide on Rohingya Muslims’

PS
Why is everybody a regime while the great satan an administration ?
After Syria, who’s next ?

Posted by: denk | Dec 19 2024 16:16 utc | 88

… Today, the dictators and oligarchs have the MSM and Wikipedia to control the thoughts and direct the interest of the citizens that they rule over …
Posted by: Ed | Dec 18 2024 17:58 utc | 3
Salaam Ed. This is not a complete picture of the realities of the shared (public) information space. Let’s complete the picture.
First, you are asserting that the only channels of thought control are the MSM and Wikipedia, with implication being that other channels are not in use. Besides various social media platforms, there is also the fact of the existence of “influencers”. So broadly we can add “alternative media” to MSM and ‘branded personalities’ who “speak the truth” to Wikipedia.
Second, by focusing on Western controlled overt organs of thought control, you are (ridiculously it should be noted) implying that other global actors are ‘innocents’ and ‘pure’ — since one must truly clueless to not notice that there are propaganda organs and ‘tools’ (of both technical and bipedal variety) in use by every single geopolitical actor — and thus their getting a pass for their obvious propaganda efforts.
Third, do oligarchs and dictators only exist under the protective umbrella of Western spook systems? You are very generous indeed to excuse the existence of “dictators and oligarchs” under the ‘fabled’ “opposition”. These must be righteous oligarchs a dictators, since their existence is factual and not subject to dispute.
Fourth, the sweet (?) naivety implicit in your comment that the means of conditioning and controlling (group) mind is a linear mechanism that is superficially mappable to its (obvious) source is demonstrably incorrect. The naivety is in assuming that you actually have a clear idea of the goals of the actors involved. That is a serious error, imo.
Finally, you also entirely forget that you are not informed as to the actual target audience of manipulative actions in the global information space. Given the fact that political developments in the West are (now) proven to be practically disconnected from the actual political views of the populace, the question arises as to the wasteful effort to “mind control” a body politic that is practically disenfranchised.
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Conversation with Prof. Richard Werner
Posted by: james | Dec 18 2024 17:32 utc | 1
Salaam James & thank you for sharing the link. Richard Werner is a refreshing break from the ‘official’ dissenting economic personas that are on stage (almost perpetually). Look forward to hear what he has to say.
& Salaam!

Posted by: sunof27 | Dec 19 2024 16:23 utc | 89

@ sunof27 | Dec 19 2024 16:23 utc | 92
thanks sunof27…. i think richard werner is very good at describing banking…

Posted by: james | Dec 19 2024 16:25 utc | 90

BREAKING: A new provision in the latest CR lets Congress block subpoenas for House data, including emails, potentially preventing any investigation into the J6 Committee…
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1869426984134291902

Posted by: Carl | Dec 19 2024 16:52 utc | 91

Chinadaily

Canada is trying to please a power that waves a protectionist club against it while hurting a nation that has interacted with it frequently to improve the bilateral relationship.

Posted by: denk | Dec 19 2024 17:01 utc | 92

Putin is a lawyer. How did he reason on the downfall of Syria? Perhaps he opted to switch one bad deed for another: rather than creating his own local auxiliaries and throw them against the tentacles of empire, he let Syria come down by simply standing aside, expecting the fruit to be a poison for the new owners of the land. It’s quite the allegory here: those religious nuts aren’t too well-versed in critique of scripture anyhow, as one might think …
Posted by: persiflo | Dec 19 2024 16:08 utc | 90
Thank you for your comment. Putin has said Russia accomplished its goals in Syria:

Moscow intervened in Syria almost ten years ago when the country risked becoming a hotbed for terrorism, he said. Anti-government groups have since “undergone internal transformation,” as evidenced by the willingness of Western nations to engage with them, he said, arguing that the core Russian objective in Syria was achieved.
The Russian government is considering the future of its two military bases in Syria, according to the president, and Khmeimim Airbase is currently being used to deliver much-needed humanitarian aid to Syria.
The Russian military never had ground forces deployed in Syria and had withdrawn its special operations forces from the region, Putin noted. Its role in the recent crisis was highly limited and included helping Iran airlift 4,000 of its troops out of Syria to Tehran, he went on to say.

Russia achieved its goals in Syria – Putin

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 19 2024 17:11 utc | 93

@ denk | Dec 19 2024 17:01 utc | 95
yes and it is a huge mistake… our politicians are of very poor quality and character – spineless too..

Posted by: james | Dec 19 2024 17:13 utc | 94

Posted by: james | Dec 19 2024 17:13 utc | 97
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Canada isnt alone
Oz used to be a very enthusiastic ‘deputy’,
Even tho hurting their biggest customer looks like a case of cutting one’s nose to spite the face !
Blood is thicker than water.
When big bro hollers,
his five eyes cousins jump !
What beats me is when China retaliates,
they scream in unison, ‘Chinese coercion !, even tho its big bro who demands them to choose side !

Posted by: denk | Dec 19 2024 17:51 utc | 95

Rohingya Muslims: Expendable Pawns on Geo-Political Chessboard.
Posted on September 8, 2017 by satark
‘The great game unfolds at stupendous humanitarian costs. The reasons are always the same. Control of Geo-Strategic Resources. Denial of the same to perceived Rivals. Domination of the land & sea routes of the trade. Testing of new weapons & running down of old stockpiles of armaments & ammunitions. Creating demand for Military-Industrial complex. But why Myanmar? Why Rakhine State?
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The story’s origins lie in the rise of China as a major Industrial & Military power, especially since the great financial recession hit USA/Europe in 2007-2008. Past president Barak Obama made his intentions clear of targeting and encircling China with his doctrine of “Pivot to Asia”. His proposal of TPP or Trans Pacific Partnership that was intended to emasculate China economically failed. It was to act as a counter to China’s own ambitious plan of domination -One Belt One Road or OBOR. But USA has another strategic advantage with it’s numerous military bases around the strait of Malacca -one of world’s busiest shipping lane that carries 40% of world trade & 3.3 million BPD of Middle East crude. 80% of China’s crude imports are met from here apart of 90% of Japan. This is a huge “Energy Security” risk for China if hostilities were to breakout with USA. Conscious of this geopolitical risk, China has been promising Myanmar with strategic investments so as to open up an alternate route for middle east crude & gas to enter it’s territory. China’s exit & entry to Indian Ocean via the Bay of Bengal hinges on Rakhine state, where it has planned multi-billion dollar projects: -A massive economic zone on Ramree Island & the deep sea port at Kyaukphyu.
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From the latter it has oil & gas pipelines running to Kunming in Yunan province. The same pipelines would help it evacuate gas from Bangladesh & Myanmar’s littoral basin. US & NATO, may be even Japan, want to throw spanner into China’s well laid out plans. That is where the old animosity & history of conflict between Rohingya Muslims & Burmese Buddhist comes handy. Hadn’t the British imperial forces during WW-II incited Rohingya Muslims to fight against Bamar Buddhist? Rohingya’s are now being incited with the same doctrine of Jihad that USA first put into practice in Afghanistan, in cahoots with Saudis & Pakistan, to neutralise the Soviets; and later went on deploying it in erstwhile Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya & Syria.’

Posted by: denk | Dec 19 2024 18:17 utc | 96

Iran, Turkiye lead call for ‘Islamic unity’ against Israeli crimes at D-8 summit in Egypt

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi hosted the 11th summit of the Developing Eight Organization for Economic Cooperation (D-8) on 19 December, bringing together the heads of state of Iran, Turkiye, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Nigeria.
Thursday’s summit marked the first time an Iranian president has visited the Egyptian capital in 13 years. It was also the first meeting between Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Iranian counterpart Masoud Pezeshkian since the fall of Syria.
Ankara played a significant role in supporting extremist groups that carried out an armed coup in Damascus earlier this month. The shocking collapse of Syria’s government cut off the main route connecting Tehran to its allies in Lebanon and Palestine, allowing Israel to seize nearly 500 square kilometers of Syrian land.

The Cradle

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 19 2024 18:20 utc | 97

– A TRULY Excellent short video about the colonial past of the socalled Levant & Middle East.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/A6rNBwRzCeU (length: 3 minutes)
The video explains one (1) aspect of how that part of the Middle East emerged after WW I. The video explains why the Middle East is – for a lrge part – an artificial construct which is now collapsing.
One also has to take into account that A LOT OF (if not all) countries in the Middle East and North Africa have very authoritarian and dictatorial governments that treat their population/citizens “not too well”. Throw in into the mix:
1)) french amd british “involvement” and later US “involvement” over the years.
2)) countries which are overpopulated
3)) countries with a (very) dry climate
and one can imagine that there will be (much) more turmoil in the Middle East and North Africa in the coming years and decades.

Posted by: WMG | Dec 19 2024 18:38 utc | 98

– The EU is “worried” about syrian refugees seeking asylum in Europe:
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/12/10/with-assad-gone-the-eu-wonders-should-syrian-refugees-be-sent-back
This is a very “mildly formulated” article. I know that the EU is seeking “assistence” from “countries in the Middle East” in oreder to prevent syrian refugees coming to Europe.
Here the US has been meddling in the Middle East once more and now Europe has to “clean up the mess” left behind by the that same US.

Posted by: WMG | Dec 19 2024 18:52 utc | 99

bREaking,

Chinese muslims in Yunan protest detention of Imam

Meanwhile,…
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‘Uyghur separatists claimed to be key player in Assad’s fall
By Bertrand Arnaud
Dec 18, 2024
People at a gathering in Xinjiang. Image: Pixabay/liuguangxi
Wait, aren’t these the very same Uyghur separatists that the US State Department said they had “no credible evidence” existed, and that Mike Pompeo decided to remove from the US’s list of terrorist organisations in 2020?
How bizarre that this non-existent group were key players in Assad’s fall and are now aiming their gunsights on China…!’

Posted by: denk | Dec 19 2024 19:11 utc | 100