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December 7, 2024
Craig Murray – The End of Pluralism in the Middle East

by Craig Murray
Republished from craigmurray.org.uk

A truly seismic change in the Middle East appears to be happening very fast. At its heart is a devil’s bargain – Turkey and the Gulf States accept the annihilation of the Palestinian nation and creation of a Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia minorities of Syria and Lebanon and the imposition of Salafism across the Eastern Arab world.

This also spells the end for Lebanon and Syria’s Christian communities, as witness the tearing down of all Christmas decorations, the smashing of all alcohol and the forced imposition of the veil on women in Aleppo now.

Yesterday US Warthog air-to-ground jets attacked and severely depleted reinforcements which were, at the invitation of the Syrian government, en route to Syria from Iraq. Constant, daily Israeli airstrikes on Syria’s military infrastructure for months have been a major factor in the demoralisation and reduced capacity of the Syrian government’s Syrian Arab Army, which has simply evaporated in Aleppo and Hama.

It is very difficult to see the tide turning in Syria. The Russians now have either to massively reinforce their Syrian bases with ground troops or to evacuate them. Faced with the exigencies of Ukraine, they may do the latter, and it is reported that the Russian navy has already set sail from Tartus.

The speed of collapse of Syria has taken everybody by surprise. If the situation does not stabilise, Damascus could be besieged and ISIS back on the hills above the Bekaa valley within a week, given the speed of their advance and the short distances involved.

A renewed Israeli attack on Southern Lebanon to coincide with a Salafist invasion of the Bekaa Valley would then seem inevitable, as the Israelis would obviously wish their border with their new Taliban-style Greater Syrian neighbour to be as far North as possible. It could be a race for Beirut, unless the Americans have already organised who gets it.

It is no coincidence that the attack on Syria started the day of the Lebanon/Israel ceasefire. The jihadist forces do not want to be seen to be fighting alongside Israel, even though they are fighting forces which have been relentlessly bombed by Israel, and in the case of Hezbollah are exhausted from fighting Israel.

The Times of Israel has no compunction about saying the quiet part out loud, unlike the British media:


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In fact Israeli media is giving a lot more truth about the Syrian rebel forces than British and American media just now. This is another article from the Times of Israel:

While HTS officially seceded from Al Qaeda in 2016, it remains a Salafi jihadi organization designated as a terror organization in the US, the EU and other countries, with tens of thousands of fighters.

Its sudden surge raises concerns that a potential takeover of Syria could transform it into an Islamist, Taliban-like regime – with repercussions for Israel at its south-western border. Others, however, see the offensive as a positive development for Israel and a further blow to the Iranian axis in the region.

Contrast this to the UK media, which from the Telegraph and Express to the Guardian has promoted the official narrative that not just the same organisations, but the same people responsible for mass torture and executions of non-Sunnis, including Western journalists, are now cuddly liberals.

Nowhere is this more obvious than the case of Abu Mohammad Al-Jolani, sometimes spelt Al-Julani or Al-Golani, who is now being boosted throughout western media as a moderate leader. He was the deputy leader of ISIS, and the CIA actually has a $10 million bounty on his head! Yes, that is the same CIA which is funding and equipping him and giving him air support.

Supporters of the Syrian rebels still attempt to deny that they have Israeli and US support – despite the fact that almost a decade ago there was open Congressional testimony in the USA that, to that point, over half a billion dollars had been spent on assistance to Syrian rebel forces, and the Israelis have openly been providing medical and other services to the jihadists and effective air support.

One interesting consequence of this joint NATO/Israel support for the jihadist groups in Syria is a further perversion of domestic rule of law. To take the UK as an example, under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act it is illegal to state an opinion that supports, or may lead somebody else to support, a proscribed organisation.

The abuse of this provision by British police to persecute Palestinian supporters for allegedly encouraging support for proscribed organisations Hamas and Hezbollah is notorious, with even tangential alleged references leading to arrest. Sarah Wilkinson, Richard Medhurst, Asa Winstanley, Richard Barnard and myself are all notable victims, and the persecution has been greatly intensified by Keir Starmer.

Yet Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) is also a proscribed group in the UK. But both British mainstream media and British Muslim outlets have been openly promoting and praising HTS for a week – frankly much more openly than I have ever witnessed anyone in the UK support Hamas and Hezbollah – and not a single person has been arrested or even warned by UK police.


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That in itself is the strongest of indications that western security services are fully behind the current attack on Syria.

For the record, I think it is an appalling law, and nobody should be prosecuted for expressing an opinion either way. But the politically biased application of the law is undeniable.

When the entire corporate and state media in the West puts out a unified narrative that Syrians are overjoyed to be released by HTS from the tyranny of the Assad regime – and says nothing whatsoever of the accompanying torture and execution of Shias, and destruction of Christmas decorations and icons – it ought to be obvious to everybody where this is coming from.

Yet – and this is another UK domestic repercussion – a very substantial number of Muslims in the UK support HTS and the Syrian rebels, because of the funding pumped into UK mosques from Saudi and Emirate Salafist sources. This is allied to the UK security service influence also wielded through the mosques, both by sponsorship programmes and “think tanks” benefiting approved religious leaders, and by the execrable coercive Prevent programme.

UK Muslim outlets that have been ostensibly pro-Palestinian – like Middle East Eye and 5 Pillars – enthusiastically back Israel’s Syrian allies in ensuring the destruction of resistance to the genocide of the Palestinians. Al Jazeera alternates between items detailing dreadful massacre in Palestine, and items extolling the Syrian rebels bringing Israel-allied rule to Syria.

Among the mechanisms they employ to reconcile this is a refusal to acknowledge the vital role of Syria in enabling the supply of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah. Which supply the jihadists have now cut off, to the absolute delight of Israel, and in conjunction with both Israeli and US air strikes.

In the final analysis, for many Sunni Muslims both in the Middle East and in the West, the pull seems to be stronger of sectarian hatred of the Shia and the imposition of Salafism, than preventing the ultimate destruction of the Palestinian nation.

I am not a Muslim. My Muslim friends happen to be almost entirely Sunni. I personally regard the continuing division over the leadership of the religion over a millennium ago as deeply unhelpful and a source of unnecessary continued hate.

But as a historian I do know that the western colonial powers have consciously and explicitly used the Sunni/Shia split for centuries to divide and rule. In the 1830’s, Alexander Burnes was writing reports on how to use the division in Sind between Shia rulers and Sunni populations to aid British colonial expansion.

On 12 May 1838, in his letter from Simla setting out his decision to launch the first British invasion of Afghanistan, British Governor General Lord Auckland included plans to exploit Shia/Sunni division in both Sind and Afghanistan to aid the British military attack.

The colonial powers have been doing it for centuries, Muslim communities keep falling for it, and the British and Americans are doing it right now to further their remodelling of the Middle East.

Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.

I refer to the UK because I witnessed this first hand during the election campaign in Blackburn. But the same is true all over the Muslim world. Not one Sunni Muslim-led state has lifted a single finger to prevent the genocide of the Palestinians.

Their leadership is using anti-Shia sectarianism to maintain popular support for a de facto alliance with Israel against the only groups – Iran, Houthi and Hezbollah – which actually did attempt to give the Palestinians practical support in resistance. And against the Syrian government which facilitated supply.

The unspoken but very real bargain is this. The Sunni powers will accept the wiping out of the entire Palestinian nation and formation of Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia communities in Syria and Lebanon by Israel and forces backed by NATO (including Turkey).

There are, of course, contradictions in this grand alliance. The United States’ Kurdish allies in Iraq are unlikely to be happy with Turkey’s destruction of Kurdish groups in Syria, which is what Erdoğan gains from Turkey’s very active military role in toppling Syria – in addition to extending Turkish control of oilfields.

The Iran-friendly Iraqi government will have further difficulty with reconciling US continuing occupation of swathes of its country, as they realise they are the next target.

The Lebanese army is under control of the USA, and Hezbollah must have been greatly weakened to have agreed the disastrous ceasefire with Israel. Christian fascist militias traditionally allied to Israel are increasingly visible in parts of Beirut, though whether they would be stupid enough to make common cause with jihadists from the North may be open to question. But should Syria fall entirely to jihadist rule – which may happen fast – I do not rule out Lebanon following very quickly indeed, and being integrated into a Salafist Greater Syria.

How the Palestinians of Jordan would react to this disastrous turn of events, it is hard to be sure. The British puppet Hashemite Kingdom is the designated destination for ethnically cleansed West Bank Palestinians under the Greater Israel plan.

What this all potentially amounts to is the end of pluralism in the Levant and its replacement by supremacism. An ethno-supremacist Greater Israel and a religio-supremacist Salafist Greater Syria.

Unlike many readers, I have never been a fan of the Assad regime or blind to its human rights violations. But what it did undeniably do was maintain a pluralist state where the most amazing historical religious and community traditions – including Sunni (and many Sunni do support Assad), Shia, Alaouites, descendants of the first Christians, and speakers of Aramaic, the language of Jesus – were all able to co-exist.

The same is true of Lebanon.

What we are witnessing is the destruction of that and imposition of a Saudi-style rule. All the little cultural things that indicate pluralism – from Christmas trees to language classes to winemaking to women going unveiled – have just been destroyed in Aleppo and could be destroyed from Damascus to Beirut.

I do not pretend that there are not genuine liberal democrats among the opposition to Assad. But they have negligible military significance, and the idea that they would be influential in a new government is delusion.

In Israel, which pretended to be a pluralist state, the mask is off. The Muslim call to prayer has just been banned. Arab minority members of the Knesset have been suspended for criticising Netanyahu and genocide. More walls and gates are built every day, not just in unlawfully occupied territories but in the “state of Israel” itself, to enforce apartheid.

I confess I once had the impression that Hezbollah was itself a religio-supremacist organisation; the dress and style of its leadership look theocratic. Then I came here and visited places like Tyre, which has been under Hezbollah elected local government for decades, and found that swimwear and alcohol are allowed on the beach and the veil is optional, while there are completely unmolested Christian communities there.

I will never now see Gaza, but wonder if I might have been similarly surprised by Hamas rule.

It is the United States which is promoting the cause of religious extremism and of the end, all over the Middle East, of a societal pluralism similar to Western norms. That is of course a direct consequence of the United States being allied to both the two religio-supremacist centres of Israel and Saudi Arabia.

It is the USA which is destroying pluralism, and it is Iran and its allies which defend pluralism. I would not have seen this clearly had I not come here. But once seen, it is blindingly obvious.

Beirut 6 December 2024


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Russia needs to be reminded again, again and again.
https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/196992

Simple truths that not everyone has accepted yet:
1) Turkey is Russia’s sworn enemy. We have been fighting with the Turks for almost our entire history, even longer than with the Americans and the British.
2) Turkey has sent and continues to send weapons to Ukraine. Moreover, they send more weapons than some EU and NATO countries.
3) Turkey openly shot down our plane and killed our officer.
4) Turkey IS NATO, HELLO!
5) Turkey sponsors terrorists all over the world and provides refuge to radical Islamists, including from Russia.
6) Turkey has never been, is not and will not be a friend or ally of Russia. NEVER.
Turkey is a very dangerous enemy, it is dangerous because many of us do not consider it an enemy.
We fight with the West quite openly and sincerely, the Turks will always smile in your face and then stab you in the back.

Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 8 2024 5:23 utc | 501

Wow, didn’t see that coming, guess Baghdad Bob found a new gig at the Syrian ‘defense” ministry. This ranks right up there with the Vietnam and Afghanistan collapses… Guess will go back to just reading for awhile as the trolls can hardly control themselves…

Posted by: ctiger | Dec 8 2024 5:23 utc | 502

Re: Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 8 2024 0:50 utc | 405

I don’t think its that simple. All nations act in the own self interest or else they cease to exist.
I think it is more like Putin and Lavrov still hold faith in international agreements and international law, and have yet to fully grasp that their enemies only view agreements as a means to get what they want. You can try to negotiate with Satan, but it’s not likely to work out well for you.

You say Putin & Lavrov believe in agreements they make with so-called (by them!!!) ”agreement incapable” foes, sorry, I mean partners.
If they call these foes, sorry I mean partners, ”agreement incapable” why do they keep making agreements with them and calling for talks to make new agreements.
Do they truly realize how idiotic and weak they sound?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 5:25 utc | 503

Re: Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 0:53 utc | 408

Russia is a bit mature to do something as silly as nuking the Yellowstone caldera. However there was this very minor quake, merely 7 on the Richter scale. Is it even remotely possible that some number of miles off the California Humboldt County coast was “visited” by a Russian sub which let loose with a toned-down Poseidon?
Certainly not probable, but there is a faint possibility. For sure, Naval and Darpa research labs would be all over that particular “act of nature”…Justin Case.

lol. Delusional.
Why even speculate about such nonsense?!?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 5:29 utc | 504

Robert Fisk reporting…

Assad means “lion,” and the roadside outside Qardaha greeted me with the words: “Welcome to Qardaha, the Lion’s Den.” The lion’s den turned out to be an unremarkable village — save for its luxury hotel and modern highway — buried in a fold of hills below the mountains east of Lattakia in north-west Syria where the minority Alawite people, to whom President Assad belongs, form a majority of the population. The Lion of Qardaha became the Lion of Damascus on 16 November 1970, when, as minister of defense in the Baath socialist government, Hafez Assad toppled his rivals in a bloodless coup — this was the “correctionist movement” of which the Syria Times so often wrote — opening up the country to economic and political liberalisation but ensuring that his rule remained — with the help of an efficient secret police apparatus — unchallenged.

The Great War for Civilization: Even to Kings, He Comes, pg. 810 (2005)

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2024 5:32 utc | 505

Re: Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 0:59 utc | 410

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 0:53 utc | 407
Would you enlighten us at the bar as to what you think Russia should do?

Isn’t it obvious?
It’s too late now – far too late – but Russia should have liquidated Idlib with Syria when it had the chance.
Why did they not?
Because they wanted to sign a worthless and useless ”peace agreement” with ”agreement incapable partners”.
It was a dumb move and they were told this by many people – even on this site!
Even now, Russia still wants to sign a useless piece of paper with these ”agreement incapable partners” in Ukraine.
Complete insanity.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 5:34 utc | 506

@ 5thcolumn | Dec 8 2024 5:23 utc | 513
Yes, but precisely because Turkey is a NATO member, Russia’s options are limited (unless you’re a member of the shadowbanned fan club).
Oh, and there’s that little matter of Black Sea access.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 8 2024 5:35 utc | 507

@ 5thcolumn | Dec 8 2024 5:23 utc | 513
Russia plays Turkiye as much as Turkiye plays Russia. This is called politics. There are no friends in politics. Russian government knows this. Idiots on social media presume to give lessons to someone they have no understanding of at all, as this thread provides vast evidence of. Do go on though, let it all out.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 8 2024 5:36 utc | 508

How the CBC Noose’s Chris Brown Reports on Syria…
In Syria a Ruthless Dictator is Under Siege. Will Anyone Step Up to Save Him?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-opposition-forces-assad-1.7403089
“…I don’t believe it, it was very emotional,’ said Ismail Alabullah, a volunteer with the Syrian NGO The White Helmets…”
chris.brown@cbc.ca

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 5:36 utc | 509

It’s just sad. We are not entering a better world. Things are getting stupider, more tribal, and more hateful.

Posted by: Cresty | Dec 8 2024 5:41 utc | 510

My good man…how does one read Karl Popper incidentally? Or is your syntax a tad garbled? Typical of an academicist rather than a journalist. Sitzfleisch unlimited.
@ aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:21 utc | 421

We have to commend aristodemos for sharp-eyes, zeroing in on a comma-typo by one of the only posters who cares about such things! New York Times could really use some decent copy-editors who still know the rules about commas, incidentally.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2024 5:41 utc | 511

It’s not the end, it’s the end of the begining,
Maybe the begining of the end of america.
Maybe the end of old fashened warfare.
Just a stick poked in the Russian hornets nest.
Bring on the kinsals and oreshniks.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 8 2024 5:46 utc | 512

Russia plays Turkiye as much as Turkiye plays Russia. This is called politics. There are no friends in politics. Russian government knows this. Idiots on social media presume to give lessons to someone they have no understanding of at all, as this thread provides vast evidence of. Do go on though, let it all out.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 8 2024 5:36 utc | 520
Yet the loser is always Russia. Russia could have just sat on their hands and do nothing in 2014, less russians and russian speaking Ukrainians would be dead today, since another deal is in the making with NATO that will make all russian deaths in the SMO meaningless.

Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 8 2024 5:52 utc | 513

The Genocidal Settler State of Israel Doing As Predicted Immediately After Syria Handed Over to HTS
https://x.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1865628381728936289
“Israeli occupation forces, accompanied by tanks, have crossed into Syrian territories from the occupied Syrian Golan, early on Sunday, according to Israeli media outlets…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 5:54 utc | 514

@ 5thcolumn | Dec 8 2024 5:52 utc | 525
Are you genuinely this clueless, or it just for today? Don’t answer me, figure that out for yourself.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 8 2024 5:55 utc | 515

This whole situation reminds me of a line from the movie Spaceballs: This is why evil will always triumph – because good is dumb.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | Dec 8 2024 6:00 utc | 516

Jihadists Enter Damascus: LIVE UPDATES
https://www.rt.com/news/608900-syria-damascus-live-updates/
“The administration of US President Joe Biden is ‘closely monitoring the extraordinary events in Syria’, and remains in touch with regional partners.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 6:04 utc | 517

If Iran and Russia do not make a move very soon they were in on it from beginning.
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 7 2024 16:27 utc | 164
As of this moment Russia is still saying that they aren’t leaving Syria. Russia has a lot of credibility with me. They also have the ability to make it happen.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Dec 7 2024 18:17 utc | 222
There are rumours in the net, that Russia will focus on the Alawite heartland. Their naval base is in Tartus. What do you mean with “They also have the ability to make it happen.”? Turn the clock back in Syria? Probably very unlikely.
Posted by: NoName | Dec 7 2024 18:28 utc | 226
What’s becoming apparent is that a deal has been struck between Putin and the Zionists.
Ukraine Crisis was initiated by the Zionists precisely to improve their position re Putin’s support for Assad. By provoking a war in Ukraine, they have ensured Putin is forced to prioritize defending the Russian heartland vs Syria.
The Zionists never expected to win in Ukraine vs the Russian Army, but have improved their negotiating position in Syria as a result.
In return for withdrawal from Ukraine, Russian forces will withdraw from Eastern Syria, allowing the creation of an Israel-friendly Sunni state, controlled
by Saudi and Qatar that will block Iran from resupplying Hezbollah on Israeli borders and any other force threatening Israel.
Syria will be partitioned into a secular multiethnic state on the coast, buffered from Israel by a Christian and Zionist controlled Lebanon, with Russian protection and base at Tartous.
A Salafist Sunni state controlled by Saudi/UAE/Qatar will emerge in the East as a buffer between Iraq/Iran preventing Iranian resupply of the rump Syrian state and of Hezbollah, further protecting Israeli territory.
A final cherry in this UN mediated carve up of Syria will be the legalization of Israeli annexation of Golan, and possibly territory ceded to Turkey as a reward.
Iran will not be molested under the terms of the deal, which explains its silence. Putin has abandoned distant and hard to defend Syria in return for protecting Iran on Russia’s borders, and for the Zionist-controlled NATO abandoning Ukraine.
Putin does not want to see Zionists control Iran and use it to destabilize the Sunnis in Russia’s Caucasus using Salafist troublemakers in Iran, and his best guarantee of keeping them out is a Shia-controlled and Zionist free Iran.
Thoughts?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 6:04 utc | 518

If they manage to get their Biblical disneyland and confessional states (based on the Crusaders states?) They will just obtain to import religious wars at home because the bigots will certainly want to import the “model”.

Posted by: Minaa | Dec 8 2024 6:06 utc | 519

Looking at the positive side for 2024!
1a. Syria has a fresh start with little bloodshed, Assad may have died (health issues?) not relevant, hence plan B.
1b. The WORLD is tired of the ME blood bath…
2. Saker was WRONG, Russia and US are not directly at war yet, and possibly diverted for the next 4years.
3. BRICS is stronger today, and the empire is in free fall.

Posted by: Mr. T | Dec 8 2024 6:07 utc | 520

The French press is reporting that Assad has fled the Syria and that the rebels are now claiming to be in full control.

Posted by: Marshall | Dec 8 2024 6:08 utc | 521

@530
Out of the Park!
This will all be confirmed on January 20th, 2025 (if not before)
As you rightly pointed out, the ‘deal’ has already been struck.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Dec 8 2024 6:09 utc | 522

I have to admit I am perplexed by the events in Syria so far.
I find it hard to believe that Russia is walking away from its assets in the region.
Why is Iran not responding?
Maybe the ME is being forced to clean up its own mess to some degree. I know it would be too much to ask them all to get together and redraw nation state boundaries and allow resettlement of factions into agreeable areas, but now is the time to do that if colonization is to be fully deprecated.
Where is the human leadership with vision in the ME? Has factional monotheism won out over humanism?
I like the new mosaic characterization of our civilization war. Lots of manufactured divisions and little respect for cultural differences.
I don’t see us showing well as a species at this point but maybe we will rise to the occasion instead of nuking ourselves.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2024 6:09 utc | 523

NATO abandoning Ukraine.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 6:04 utc | 530
So why is Nato not abandoning Ukr then? Or you think it’ll be in the future? It simply doesn’t look like that. Now let’s enjoy this new Zeli v2 character US has just invented. At least we’ll have more circus

Posted by: rk | Dec 8 2024 6:17 utc | 524

Everything unraveled so quickly it almost seems like a preplanned event with the Syrian prime minister sticking around to hand over power.
All the players bailed out quickly or just backed out of any idea of getting involved. The Anglo Americunt Sunni Zionist alliance must be breaking open the champagne bottles and pouring drinks at their bar.
It was a long operation to smash another state in the region. I wonder who is next and I wonder how long it will take? Hmmmmmm
In the long term I see Syria becoming a training ground for Central Asian recruits to attack Russia in the region with the help of the same alliance.

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 8 2024 6:19 utc | 525

A Salafist Sunni state controlled by Saudi/UAE/Qatar will emerge in the East as a buffer between Iraq/Iran preventing Iranian resupply of the rump Syrian state and of Hezbollah, further protecting Israeli territory.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 6:04 utc | 530

Another way to look at this is that Israel has maneuvered Saudi/UAE/Qatar into the line of fire.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 8 2024 6:20 utc | 526

Back some ten years ago the commercialization of Firefox os phones, an alternative to Android and Apple, was brutally suspended by Orange, who had implemented it on its devices and was aiming the developing markets with it.
Now you know why. Full spectrum dominance of the panoptikon wld say Pepe.

Posted by: Tom | Dec 8 2024 6:20 utc | 527

Obviously the surprise surrender was negociated to please the ailing Biden administration and make a favour to Qatar/Turkey (after all their “efforts” during the Arab Spring) versus the more Trumpian business interests of Ksa/Eg?
More seriously there was a need to send the refugees back home from Europe (the main programme of VdL being “East integration” redux i.e. not Eastern Germany but Eastern Europe as the only way to save the EU from dislocation. And for Turkey the bargain was easy: either the Syr refugees return to Syria or we launch them on Europe.

Posted by: Minaa | Dec 8 2024 6:27 utc | 528

Beware, Iran. A blast from the past (2018)
Netanyahu Compares Iran to Nazi Germany During V-Day Talks with Putin
https://www.rt.com/news/426298-netanyahu-wwii-iran-nazis/
“…Netanyahu made his statements as the two leaders discussed bilateral relations, as well as the situation in the Middle East.
Putin described the situation in the region as ‘very tense’. He also expressed his hope that Russia and Israel would eventually find ‘solutions that would lead to the easing of tensions and resolve heated conflicts…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 6:28 utc | 529

Gadafi in the end tried to placate the US.
Hassan did the same.
What happened to them ? A bad outcome for them and their country.
Assads falure to stand up for what was done in Syria has led to his downfall.
Thats a clear lesson, he disregarded.
Russia stood up to the US, their very much alive and kicking.
Afganistan. Yemen. Iran, venazala.
The same.
Never mistake being humain for weakness.
Never mistake inhumanity for strength.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 8 2024 6:31 utc | 530

So now that Sultan Erdo has a border with the entity…he is going to free Jerusalem?

Posted by: Tom | Dec 8 2024 6:44 utc | 531

Tom @ 543
He’l take the Yankie doller and do a zelensky.
Betraying his people, for a big house in miami.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 8 2024 6:48 utc | 532

Two things:
1. Did The Russians whack Assad?
2. al-Jolani has zero control over these jihadi groups. They just emptied a prison. Reports already circulating of factional grudges being settled within the ‘rebels’. There will be lawlessness for weeks, mass refugee crisis, regional destabilization, thousands dead.
Clusterfuck off the Richter scale.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2024 6:49 utc | 533

The Syrian Army apparently just closed up shop and walked away. Syria apparently has been handed over to al-Qaeda. Stunning turn of events, which could not be predicted.
Outside of Turkey and Israel, no other regional state is particularly comfortable with the situation, including former sponsors of the Syrian civil war. It is difficult to conceive a widely proscribed terrorist organization suddenly accorded legitimacy as governing authority of Syria. Syria may fracture into several smaller states, in line with the “seven countries, five years” concept developed by American strategists. So far – three countries, twenty-two years.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 8 2024 6:49 utc | 534

@535
Russia, to some extent China, Iran and the resistance were just check mated. The ramifications of this event is so deep and troubling that is hard to digest.
My opinion:
– Palestine is done. They will be annexed and thrown out.
– Hezbollah will be dissolved
– Syria will be broken up into 6-7 different pieces.
– Israel will get its Greater Israel portion in Syria and Lebanon. They have already moved their tanks into Syria, or what was Syria.
– BRICS and BRI is serious jeopardy
– Iran will have huge internal problems and of course it will be instigated by the usual suspects.
– The winners: all the gulf Arabs, Turkey and US/Israel of course.
-Europe better brace itself for the hoards of refugees. The ain’t seen nothing yet.
Who said the empire can’t play chess?

Posted by: Alpi | Dec 8 2024 6:55 utc | 535

Guardian reporting typical of MSM, but doing so uncertainly. Assad = bad but ‘Islamic militants’ = good? It can’t bring itself to report who they are or the groups involved. Ambiguity for the libtards… syntax error…

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2024 6:59 utc | 536

To #503, Surferket, “Where is the Putin fanclub?”
Answer: Someone has to stop the US which has one thing no one else has: Enslaved US taxpayers. As a US taxpayer, I very much need to be freed from enabling global genocide. No one but Mr. Putin has made the slightest attempt to speak up for humanity and question US global authority. US has attempted to overthrow more than 57 governments since WWII….https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
“The Deep State…considers global conflict as the
price to pay for maintaining its largesse from the US taxpayer.
Continuous warfare is its only business product.”…
(parag. 4)…11/7/2019, “Deep State on the National Security Council: Colonel Vindman Is an ‘Expert’ With an Agenda,” Philip Giraldi
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US military budget 2023: $916 billion
Russia military budget 2023: $109 billion
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/262742/countries-with-the-highest-military-spending/#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20led%20the,to%202.4%20trillion%20U.S.%20dollars.
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Further, the US can print money. Mr. Putin can’t. So I’m very sad today.

Posted by: susan mullen | Dec 8 2024 7:00 utc | 537

To you, and to me as well. But amazing how many Russians, and those close to the country, start coping “What use is Syria anyway to us? As long as the Empire lets us keep Tartous, let the Syrians sink or swim.” They overlook that all of Russia’s (would-be) allies are watching. And oh, their enemies just as well: is it dangerous to betray agreements with Moscow, or is it no big deal really?
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 22:39 utc | 350

If would be interesting to know what drives Putin’s Zionism and his support for the apartheid regime in West Asia. Is it a corollary of his neoliberal ideology or is it rooted elsewhere?
In any case, the Russian state long ago sold out the Syrians through their gentleman’s rogue’s agreement with the Zionist entity that gave the latter a free hand to bomb and terrorise Syria over the years.

Posted by: Lengai | Dec 8 2024 7:01 utc | 538

Impossible to read such a quantity of hasty and one-way analysis!

Posted by: Zoraida | Dec 8 2024 7:03 utc | 539

John Wick @ 548
I think your right !
Iran and Russia will fall next.
Unless they wake up and fight back, as in take the gloves of and bomb tel avivi, london , washington and new york.
Be carefull what you wish for.
This is esculation. Be scared be very scared, love your family.
Thats my advice to the MOA preditors.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 8 2024 7:09 utc | 540

This has nothing to do with Russia, it’s about the US and its 17 nation multi-billion dollar arms trafficking operation, “Timber Sycamore,” that started under Obama for the purpose of murdering Syria. As of 2018 the operation was run by KKR and Petraeus:
……..
“12/14/2018, “Operation “Timber Sycamore” continues,” Voltaire, Thierry Meyssan
“Operation “Timber Sycamore,” initiated by President Barack Obama was privatized a little before the election of President Donald Trump. It is now coordinated by the investment fund KKR (established by Henry Kravis and whose military activities are led by the former head of the CIA, General David Petraeus).
“Timber Sycamore” is the most important arms trafficking operation in History. It involves at least 17 governments. The transfer of weapons, meant for jihadist organizations, is carried out by Silk Way Airlines, a Azerbaïdjan public company of cargo planes.
In the week 27 November-2 December 2018, eight of this company’s cargo planes landed at Aden (Yemen), Erbil and Bagdad (Iraq), Beirut (Lebanon), Djibouti (Djibouti), Kabul and Bagram (Afghanistan) and Tripoli (Libya).”…https://www.voltairenet.org/article204373.html
………………………………
It’s a miracle Syria lasted as long as it did.

Posted by: susan mullen | Dec 8 2024 7:16 utc | 541

It occurs to me that one of the few positives about this is that it totally validates the strategy of DPRK. The key point is simply this: seal the borders, build up your economy internally so you are not in the slightest bit influenced by Western ‘media’ (i.e. propaganda) or Western corporations and, above all, get nukes, and demonstrate you are prepared to use them. Iran has expressed no interest in nukes and that will probably be their undoing. If Iran had nukes, literally none of this would be happening.
The only thing that the US is frightened of is nuclear war. That’s literally the only thing.

Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 7:20 utc | 542

It’s a miracle Syria lasted as long as it did.
Posted by: susan mullen | Dec 8 2024 7:16 utc | 554

In the next chapter of the Timber Sycamore story the planners learn that governing isn’t as easy as smuggling.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 8 2024 7:23 utc | 543

Remember this is’nt about east versis west at war.
This is about a war by the very very rich against the poor. Are you very very rich 👀
Its global genicide. Eugenics. Agenda 21. The great reset.
And that includes within the borders of america, britain and europe.
Dont be a banderite fool.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 8 2024 7:31 utc | 544

Syria was always the weakest link in the entire resistance.
All those Russian soldiers, generals, Wagners lives sacrificed for what reason? If I was a Russian loosing a loved one in Syria, I would be extremely angry, and demand someone needs to be held accountable for this mess.
Best of luck to Syria….its been one big roller coaster since Nov.

Posted by: Sputnik | Dec 8 2024 7:31 utc | 545

Caitlin exemplifies honesty, as usual:

The US proxy warfare in Lebanon and Ukraine makes a lot more strategic sense now; by tying up Hezbollah and Russia in other conflicts, the path was opened up for another run on Damascus and a chance to further cut off Hezbollah from supplies. Many pundits on my end of the commentary spectrum had been calling those proxy wars self-defeating and framing them as the desperate flailings of a dying empire which will only accelerate its demise, but now here we are watching the empire score a victory it’s been chasing for years, with the western/Israeli stranglehold on the middle east growing tighter than ever.

https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/12/08/assad-is-out-woke-al-qaeda-is-in/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2024 7:32 utc | 546

@559
Yes. People have been talking about the decline of the US Empire for years now and of course in an absolute sense they are right, all Empires fall, but at the moment, neither China nor Russia have the ability or the desire to overthrow the US imperium or even carve out a ‘space’ for themselves. BRICs is just a talking shop, and de-dollarisation is something of a myth. Israel (and Saudi Arabia, along with Turkey), now control all of West Asia, and when the Palestinians are exterminated and Iran/Lebanon overthrown (and presumably they now will be) this will continue for the next 200/300 years.
It does seem as if the inevitable end of the US Empire will be a phenomenon of the 22nd or even the 23rd century, rather than, as we all thought, of the 21st. Of course I could be wrong! Who knows. ‘events, dear boy, events’. But this is how it looks right now.

Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 7:40 utc | 547

The Islamic Republic of Iran needs a deterrent … just a few weeks away of owning a nuclear bomb?
For the Arab states it would be wise not to rely on security from Big Satan … the Islamic bomb is already deployed across Pakistan …
Türkiye is protected by NATO membership … Ukraine and Israel are not. Trump and Biden tried to have Israel covered by membership … prepared the Abraham Accords for that purpose … took Israel out of EUCOM and placed them under CENTCOM “control” a few days before Biden inauguration. Gaza on 10/7 and Palestine foiled that plan for the time being.
Will the GCC and OIC look to United States and the Islamophobic Western Europe for “security” … or settle in with the BRICS group of nations. Jerusalem, Al Aqsa holy site and a Palestinian State is still on the table. Washington and Israel closed down a peaceful option.
Erdogan is just so unpredictable … cherishes NATO membership as a backstop … wants into the EU which is not going to happen … now has the Salafist terror entity HTS as neighbour and militant Kurdish groups across Syria-Iraq-Iran.
HTS (sworn to Al Qaeda lastly Al Zawahiri) hosts IS-K (Khorasan) which is responsible for large terror attacks against the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Kerman twin suicide attacks in Iran, in Türkiye and the Tajiks in the Moscow Crocus City Hall massacre.
Ukraine will continue as a terror state as they had bonded with HTS In Syria. Moscow, Beijing, New Delhi are aware of the terror proxies, chaos and instability. The worst of all options has just been released by Washington DC and Jerusalem … last throngs.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 8 2024 7:40 utc | 548

https://tgstat.com/channel/@brianlovethailand

What is happening in Syria is a major loss for the Syrian people and their allies, including Russia and Iran and ultimately both China and the rest of the multipolar world.
It is a reminder that the US and its proxies remain the greatest threat to human peace and prosperity on planet Earth today – a potent danger that should not be underestimated.
Not only has the US maintained a large army of terrorists all along Syria’s borders, it has maintained significant control over global information space poisoning entire regions of the planet against their own best interests.
While US industry and military power fades, it has maintained its ability to politically interfere and capture entire populations – not through any particular strength, but from a fundamental lack of action from the rest of the world in recognizing information space as the key to national security in the 21st century.
Even today, most of the world has surrendered its information space to Silicon Valley and the US State Department. No matter how many tanks you have, if the US can convince your population not to man them or to point their guns in the opposite direction, you still lose.

One Battle Amid a Wider War
It is also important to remember this is just one battle amid a much larger and more critical war between US hegemony and multipolarism. No single battle is more important than the outcome of the war. If Russia has to pick between Ukraine and Syria – it clearly must pick Ukraine.
These events demonstrate that Russia and Iran are not “all powerful,” and that complacency is deadly.
And despite the tragedy taking place in Syria now, winning the war provides the possibility of one day restoring Syria.
“Extending Russia” (and Iran and China)
Russia has been forced to make difficult decisions. It is not just fighting the US in Ukraine – it is fighting the US all along its periphery from Eastern Europe to Central Asia.
The US strategy, as laid out in policy documents (literally titled: Extending Russia”), is to “extend” Russia by creating multiple crises Russia is forced to react to eventually overstretching itself and collapsing.
Russia must carefully choose where to commit and where to define its limits.
Beyond even that – the goal is to isolate Iran (which now looks likely), then Russia, then China – defeating the champions of the multipolar world in detail.
For those in Tehran, Moscow, and Beijing and across all other capitals outside the West who lie to themselves about the nature of this war to avoid the discomfort of facing it – Syria is your ultimate future. There is no place for you at the table. You cannot compromise. You cannot infinitely buy time. You either successfully defend your nation together with your allies or you lose it.

Posted by: xor | Dec 8 2024 7:54 utc | 549

Hmm… this just isn’t looking good no matter which way one turns it if Sputniknews and RT are to be believed never mind everyone else (because it is everyone now isn’t it?).
Once again: this is all very strange. Extremely strange.
This doesn’t look like an invasion, it looks like a capitulation and a car race to reach an appointed date with destiny according to some script/agreement.
Same with Lebanon and Hezbollah and the bullshit “ceasefire”.
Saying “Turkey” is not enough of an explanation, nor “Israel”, not even pointing at the US and “the west” (never mind France), none of that actually explains anything at all.
No explanations! Just “magic” acts.
Will anybody reveal what has actually happened and why? Because I haven’t the slightest clue what or why.
Clown world/clown hell and soon it’s the second christmas of genocide.
I don’t have any expletives strong enough, nothing close.
The ramifications are enormous.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 8 2024 7:56 utc | 550

Btw someone mentioned “1000 years of peace”… sure that’s easy when it’s only 50 thousand survivors who barely ever meet and then after a millennium it all starts again with cavemen bonking each other over the head with stones 🙁

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 8 2024 8:06 utc | 551

Havent posted in years.
If no one has seen Assad he has probably been killed by Israel.
In order not to avoid war everybody looks the other way.

Posted by: TheWatcher | Dec 8 2024 8:11 utc | 552

Will anybody reveal what has actually happened and why? Because I haven’t the slightest clue what or why.
@ Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 8 2024 7:56 utc | 563

Your post frames quite well a lingering weirdness prickling the back of my neck: with this whole production seeming much too staged. I can’t begin to answer your question. I’m doing well if I can find someone else whose sense of disorientation is familiar or intelligible, like Caitlin.
The fall of Damascus. What the hell was it? I second that emotion.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2024 8:16 utc | 553

Mohammad Marandi: Syrian Civil War, Erdogan, Netanyahu, Turkey, Israel, Russia, US, Iran, Palestine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1f1T3jyeg8

Posted by: Oui | Dec 8 2024 8:21 utc | 554

@Surferket | Dec 7 2024 22:58 utc | 363
>>From the Tucker interview you can see why Erdo is running rings around Putin and his Lavrov. They are stuck in their delusional make believe world where Erdo is their Best Friend.
Perhaps, and at the risk of stepping on some toes here, because he is? Through their dealings with Turkey, Russian elites can bypass Western sanctions and make all the money they want more generally. Turkey loves Israel; Putin loves Israel, though this affection doesn’t seem to be shared by the siloviki. The writing seems to have been on the wall for the Assad clan, but victim-blaming only gets you so far since Assad is (/was) no more an independent actor than Zelensky. At least ever since Astana, it’s clear that Putin presumes to speak for Syria as if he just owns the place. Well, too clever by half: no longer he doesn’t.
Without taking anybody’s word as gospel, maybe all those who claim such a passion for Syria should pause a moment to listen to the Syrians? Many there seem to think that the SAA refused to fight because they knew they’d been sold out, with Moscow in on the joke all along. There are questions of degrees, but can you blame them given Moscow’s total passivity these days? Alexander Mercouris will say “Putin looked relaxed and confident”; but sometimes a leader needs to rally the troops, instill a sense of urgency in his subordinates–a true leader.
Any sane African or Asian leader will now think: “What sort of deals has Putin made behind my back?”

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 8:25 utc | 555

I can understand the pain on here. For years I supported Assad’s courageous stand against the takfiri and their Western and Israeli backers.
But people have to attempt to be rational here and look realistically at what is happening on the ground. Assad no longer commands respect or loyalty in Syria. Russia and Hezbollah and Iran and the religious minorities (look what is happening in the South) no longer back him. They are speaking to and doing deals with what were once the takfiri. Why? (Its a bit like asking Democrats to try and understand Trump).
Would Hezbollah and Iran switch sides if Iran’s arms supplies were being intercepted by the rebels? No. They’d fight. They and the minorities can sees the Idlib rebels are no longer the takfiris of yesteryear. Social media is not alight with gruesome and appalling executions because they are not happening.
Why?
Because people and circumstances change. Why are there exchanges of fire on The Golan between Israelis and rebels? Why are ever more prominent Israelis saying we must support Assad because he is weak.
I’d ask you to watch an analysis on the situation by Mahmood. He has spent years giving details of the atrocities in Gaza and Lebanon. As an analyst he attempts to be detached and neutral in his assessments. He speaks Hebrew and thus has a keen understanding thru the Hebrew language press of whatis really happening in Israel.
I’d ask you to view his latest analysis of the situation in Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMfjUCfRLQ
(The first few minutes deal with events in Gaza.)

Posted by: johnf | Dec 8 2024 8:34 utc | 556

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 8 2024 7:56 utc | 563
The SAA was comprised. They retreated without any resistance.
Russian combat assets tied up in Ukraine. Syria falling so fast they don’t even have time to relocate. Now Russia is making deals to salvage whatever is left.
Iran too far geographically to move troops to Syria. Some reinforcement attempts to were made by Iran aligned militias in Iraq but were strafed by US warplanes.

Posted by: Autumn | Dec 8 2024 8:37 utc | 557

The SAA was compromised*.
– This is the key failing.

Posted by: Autumn | Dec 8 2024 8:40 utc | 558

Susan Mullen @ 550:
Amen, sister! Thank you.
One quibble: as a monetary sovereign (unlike every Euro-using state), Russia CAN “print rubles,” but because the ruble is not a widely-held reserve currency, doing so would likely devalue it abroad rapidly. A distinction, but probably not much of a practical difference.

Posted by: BillC | Dec 8 2024 8:42 utc | 559

Re: Posted by: Alpi | Dec 8 2024 6:55 utc | 547

Who said the empire can’t play chess?

I have read it often.
Russia & VVP & Xi play 16D chess compared to ” The Empire “ playing checkers.
Surely you know this?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 8:44 utc | 560

Re: Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 7:40 utc | 560

It does seem as if the inevitable end of the US Empire will be a phenomenon of the 22nd or even the 23rd century, rather than, as we all thought, of the 21st. Of course I could be wrong! Who knows. ‘events, dear boy, events’. But this is how it looks right now.

Only fools were saying this.
Compare the economic size of The West vs. the BRICS.
There is a vast difference.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 8:47 utc | 561

A lot of events in recent past now need a thorough review, one of them being MofA’s Mediated By China Iran And Saudi Arabia Restore Ties – There Are Winners And Losers

Regional rivals Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to restore ties after years of tensions
The deal, which will see the two countries reopen embassies in each other’s capitals, was sealed during a meeting in China and announced Friday in a joint communique.
Archrivals Iran and Saudi Arabia agreed Friday to restore diplomatic relations, a dramatic breakthrough brokered by China after years of soaring tensions between the regional rivals.

Posted by: js | Dec 8 2024 9:01 utc | 562

Any sane African or Asian leader will now think: “What sort of deals has Putin made behind my back?”
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 8:25 utc | 571
Some great deals he has been making. Deal with Turkey to let the nazis from azov go, so they could fight in Ukraine again and laugh at faces of civilians they used as human shields in Mariupol instead of making them stand trial as he promised. Deal with Israel to refrain from making an attempt on Zelensky’s life or decapitation strikes on his jewish government and even UAF generals. Grain deal with Ukraine to let them make money selling grain and let in ships full of weapons that Ukraine used to sink ships of the Black sea fleet. The whole denazification part of the fake war Putin calls SMO is a farce. Russia and USUKIS are the republicans and democrats of the world stage and russians with ukrianians are being the useful idiosts dying in their wars.

Posted by: 5thcolumn | Dec 8 2024 9:01 utc | 563

Libya 2.0 here we go again !
Lots of people made a lots of assumed calculs here … and forgot a lot of things. The result will be a mess. For at least a decade… And for every people involved.

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Dec 8 2024 9:04 utc | 564

Assad overthrow has Mossad and CIA written all over it. CIA paid the different rebel/terrorist groups to work together and provided intel. Probably bribed Syrian generals to not fight like they did in Iraq.
Who benefits: Israel, no more Iraqi arms for hezbollah, northern border will become much safer.

Posted by: Cyclingnut | Dec 8 2024 9:06 utc | 565

It was Russia who killed Syria. Russia insisted that Syria not respond to Israeli attacks and Syria lost the will to fight because of that.
Long time ago, when Russia was always retreating in Ukraine, I spoke about how Russia always retreating would undermine the Red Army’s attacking ability, because all the Red Army was doing a that point in time was retreating. So the guys would literally forget what it was to attack and die gloriously in battle. That didn’t happen because Russia knows its troops and through force and setting attacking examples got its troops out of the retreating vibe. Basically Russians have it in them to retreat and to attack, when needed, its in the dna.
Syrians, being Arabs, don’t have that in their dna. With them its either attack or retreat. So by Russia forcing Syria not to respond to Israeli attacks for years the mood in the Syrian Arab Army just went downhill. The low IQ of the Arabs can’t comprehend not responding to attacks. Basically the Russian strategy, while good, did not take Arab low IQ and emotions into consideration.
Somehow Putin fell for the trick that we are all equal when we are not all equal. Some of us are fatter than others, some of us are skinnier than others, some of us are taller than others, some of us are shorter than others, some of us have higher IQ than others, some of us are more capable than others. So the same strategy won’t work on all of us the same way. Russia’s SloMO works in Ukraine, but SloMO doesn’t work in Syria. Arabs need constant glorious successes or they just fall apart, just waiting for their enemies to collapse internally doesn’t feature in Arab consciousness. With Arabs its either do or die, and Russia was always harping on about the need to wait and be patient.
Why Putin’s advisors didn’t tell him that all of us aren’t equal so the long game won’t work in Syria I don’t know. Had Russia just allowed Syria to shoot down a few Israeli airplanes now and then it would have made all the difference in the world. Had Russia allowed Hezbollah to shoot down a few Israeli airplanes now and then it would have made all the difference in the world. But Russia didn’t want anyone shooting down either American or Israeli aircraft in the Middle East out of fear of escalations to WW3, meanwhile if Muslims, especially Arab Muslims, aren’t allowed to fight back against their attackers / oppressors they loose their reason for existing.
Why the fuck Putin’s advisors didn’t tell him this while the academics in the West and Israel know this implicitly I don’t know.
Anyway, hopefully now Russia will accept no compromise in Ukraine.

Posted by: gT | Dec 8 2024 9:08 utc | 566

The US liberals Crowing about the the fall of Syria is sucking. They don’t care what the repercussions for the Syrian people just the that Syria’s defeat hurts Putin
Assad Regime Appears to be Collapsing

Posted by: QuietRebel | Dec 8 2024 9:28 utc | 567

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 4:52 utc | 503
Asleep you fucking meth head.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 8 2024 9:30 utc | 568

Why the fuck Putin’s advisors didn’t tell him…
@gT 582:

Perhaps Russia has similar Zionist pressures/problems as the US.

Posted by: Ian2 | Dec 8 2024 9:31 utc | 569

If I had to choose a guilty party for allowing Syria to fall into the hands of Wahabi headchoppers, Bashar al-Assad would be my pick.
Most should remember that B. Assad swore off politics at a young age then moved to England to study medicine going on to become a Harley St eye surgeon. No going around refugee camps to assist with glaucoma or developing programs for impoverished ME citizens to get rid of cataracts for old Bashar, no he went for the high end money and with his wife & family carved out a nice upper-middle class life as an englander.
Then his brother (heir to the prezdency) died in a car crash; when Assad senior aka Dad died, representatives of the family and the Syrian governance structure flew to London and beseeched him to ‘do the right thing’ ie come back to Syria and assist Syria to develop as a sovereign state. It is said they had to lean hard on Bashar particularly his mother, before he agreed to go back.
At that time no one seemed to care that this bloke was no marxist keen to develop a an equitable secular nation-state, he was an Assad and that should be enough.
Enter amerika, england & the zionist entity who spent a great deal of time and effort to tell the ignorati that Syria was a brutal oppressive state at the same time as the NED and associated ngo’s began stirring up trouble amongst the Sunni majority.
Religion had never been much of an issue in Syria as the government was secular employing people for their skills, not their religious beliefs, so the amereuro arseholes played on that to convince Sunni Syrians they were hard done by when the truth of the matter was no one in Syria was doing it easy. Sanctions and other restrictions had been put in place by the aforesaid imperialist colonists and Syria was copping it tough but the wahabi mosques funded by the saudi mob & gulf dictatorships pushed and pushed making it seem to their followers that the central government really had it in for them personally.
Next step was bringing in the daesh killers who just about turned the nation over, however Russia and Iran lent a hand to get rid of those monsters.
There is only one person who could both piss off Syria’s allies and make sure that the Syrian military were 100% ineffective and that is Bashar al-Assad. After mum died he probably didn’t feel as committed to the gig as he once had.
I reckon he did it because he wants to get back to something less complicated and demanding, such as being a Harley St eye surgeon.
I cannot believe he could not have found a way around it that didn’t leave his family and his nation up to their necks in wahabi zionist shit.
We will know if he escapes safely that he was likely the culprit for condemning the ME to decades of conflict & oppression.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 8 2024 9:35 utc | 570

This unusual turn of events look like Syria was handed over without a fight. By whom and to whom?
This turn of events happened after the two meetings in Doha yesterday.
Lavrov said afterrwards that the fighting must stop “now”, and that actions will be taken “on the ground”.
The message from the meetings, and the statements that followed was – political dialogue in Syria will start.
Lavrov also said that the attack on Syria was long and well planned.
A lot of other things were said – and soon after Homs and Damascus were suddenly vacated without a fight.
The Iraqi news agency reported last night that more than 1000 Syrian soldiers had crossed into Iraq, were welcomed and their needs met (?).
The coming days will shed more light on this, but whatever it is, it smells to heaven and is very ominous.

Posted by: JB | Dec 8 2024 9:38 utc | 571

Re: Posted by: gT | Dec 8 2024 9:08 utc | 582

Anyway, hopefully now Russia will accept no compromise in Ukraine.

Russia wants to sign a peace agreement in Ukraine asap with the dear partners – aka the Astana deal with Turkey.
Russia has already achieved its aims in Ukraine of demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine and has captured all the territory of Kherson, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia & Luhansk.
What is the point of continuing this war when all these aims have already been achieved?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 9:39 utc | 572

trump already blaming putin and, i quote, “russia russia russia” (his words allegedly) on social media for assad fleeing the country or something.
he also said zelenskyijyjiijeev wants to make peace now to stop the bloodshed. (yeah, right. another billion dollar “aid” package is already beeing prepared by the us).
and the us army also said that they will not leave syria. go figure. i wonder if those terrorist organizations will be okay with th.. oh who am i kidding. they are another us proxy.
and israel already warned the “militants” to not come to the golan heights as they are doing some ground operations to strenghten the border or somesuch balderdash excuse for the landgrab.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 8 2024 9:39 utc | 573

Libya 2.0 here we go again !
Lots of people made a lots of assumed calculs here … and forgot a lot of things. The result will be a mess. For at least a decade… And for every people involved.
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Dec 8 2024 9:04 utc | 580

This is not simple ignorance they forget on purpose to asolve themselves of their complicity. What makes it even more galling is that these ghouls are crowing about fail of Syria. They don’t care about the Syrians they just care about Assad being deposed and and the Russians got a lost. When everything goes to shit like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya they will all complain that no one told them about the repercussions. It’s on them, because anyone who warned was marginalized.

Posted by: QuietRebel | Dec 8 2024 9:41 utc | 574

All those Russian soldiers, generals, Wagners lives sacrificed for what reason? If I was a Russian loosing a loved one in Syria, I would be extremely angry, and demand someone needs to be held accountable for this mess.
Posted by: Sputnik | Dec 8 2024 7:31 utc | 558

Wait until you see what Putin is preparing to do in Ukraine before you mourn the pointless sacrifices.
Then also notice that there was a leak a few days ago about how the Kremlin sees as a key threat in the future the SMO veterans being unhappy with the outcome of it.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 9:43 utc | 575

It occurs to me that one of the few positives about this is that it totally validates the strategy of DPRK. The key point is simply this: seal the borders, build up your economy internally so you are not in the slightest bit influenced by Western ‘media’ (i.e. propaganda) or Western corporations and, above all, get nukes, and demonstrate you are prepared to use them. Iran has expressed no interest in nukes and that will probably be their undoing. If Iran had nukes, literally none of this would be happening.
The only thing that the US is frightened of is nuclear war. That’s literally the only thing.
Posted by: Hidari | Dec 8 2024 7:20 utc | 555

That is correct, but with one important correction — that isn’t the DPRK’s strategy, that was Stalin’s strategy, which the DPRK simply did not abandon.
The USSR did abandon it immediately after Stalin died — in retrospect it was doomed the moment Khrushchev went on that trip to the USA.
What follows after that, especially after the Cuban missile crisis (when the Soviet hardliners were apparently tricked into believing they are now on an equal footing) was that interactions between the two camps increased. With that came the corrosive direct Western influence gradually corrupting the Soviet nomenklatura, and with no more purges, the fate of the USSR was sealed.
The Chinese think they were very clever when they tricked the US into handing over its industry, but given today’s events, now we can be quite certain they too will fold without a fight when push comes to shove, regardless of their military build up.
Putin is quite clearly ready to surrender — the talks right now are of a freezing of the conflict along the line of contact, which is a surrender for Russia, and then figuring out how to sell it to the Russian people as a win. And this is a most existential issue for Russia.
Given that China didn’t lift a finger to protect its BRI plans (which now largely lie in ruins with the fall of Syria and Erdogan firmly picking a side), they will almost certainly do the same when open confrontation begins.
P.S. This also exposes the intellectual bankruptcy of the BRICS/multipolarity cargo cultists, and validates the Russian doomers. Remember that the latter are people who lived through the USSR collapse, saw first hand how the country was sold out, then continued to watch as Putin took power in order to cement the established status quo as his key priority, which he indeed did. It is still the same people who hold the real power in Russia, which is why the SMO will be shut down with the white flag raised.
And really, who in their right mind truly believed Putin would fight for Syria and the Axis of Resistance? Look at the people around him – it is all Jewish oligarchs, and not just Jewish oligarchs, but mostly the openly Zionist kind. Sure he was going to go to war for Syria. Absolutely. First, it is bad for business, second, Israel is in control in Moscow too, not just in DC.
How the conflict was frozen back in the days already clearly pointed to such an outcome.
Which means the same course of events awaits us in the future with the SMO.
Unless the military finally finds the balls to do a coup, but not like in August 1991. It has to be a serious, well planned one, because we saw how that one ended — it triggered the terminal collapse of the country back then. And it will have to not just do a coupe, but round up the oligarchs and shoot them, then institute Stalinist purges of all unreliable elements from the business elites and the administration. The chances of that happening are slim.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 9:43 utc | 576

when Aleppo was taken, i posted here, Christmas is canceled in Aleppo. Does anyone actually believe HTS jewlienee is actually going to allow Christmas in Syria? aka Damascus and aleppo? NOPE! “diversity friendly” what a farce.
For those wondering WHERE IS ASSAD?
most likely dead tragically.
i had read on the rt news ticker,
Assad’s plane disappears from radar.
after taking off from Damascus airport, Asad’s 1l76? plane, began to lose altitude fast, then disappeared from the radar with the tracker going down.
HAVEN’T SEEN OR HEARD IT MENTIONED ANYWHERE SINCE. pray it’s not true. but sadly, suspect it so?
could be counter-intelligence but i find it hard to believe.
anyone here good at looking into these things?

Posted by: BurnEye | Dec 8 2024 9:44 utc | 577

Russia insisted that Syria not respond to Israeli attacks
gT | Dec 8 2024 9:08 utc | 582
They had no means to respond to any Israeli attack anyway. What Bibi wants, Bibi gets. You can blame Russia for many unusual decisions there, but when the entire local army completely surrenders to a few thousand decapitators, then the problem is much bigger than it seems. I bet the geniuses in Russia were as surprised as everyone else because they tried bombing the group of 5 attackers at first, until they realized their help is not wanted.

Posted by: rk | Dec 8 2024 9:50 utc | 578

What is the point of continuing this war when all these aims have already been achieved?
Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 9:39 utc | 589

Such a waste if Odessa was ignored.

Posted by: Ian2 | Dec 8 2024 9:51 utc | 579

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 9:43 utc | 593
Cargo cultists lol. Let’s revisit your hot take in a year.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 8 2024 9:52 utc | 580

Assad is most likely dead. now WION news (india) is speculating Assad’s plane has been shot down.
disappeared from radar. sudden massive altitude loss.
What a Shame!
and Christmas is canceled in Syria!

Posted by: BurnEye | Dec 8 2024 9:54 utc | 581

Christians last prayers in Damascus yesterday
https://t.me/European_dissident/63411
The endtimes for Christians are closing in
Europe will fall to Islam within the next 30 Years
Thanks God I wont be around
The Jews are the terminal cancer on earth
They killed Jesus they will not stop before everything goes down

Posted by: MikeBA | Dec 8 2024 9:57 utc | 582

A great success for the allies Israel / USA / Turkey. Now they have shown everyone who is the Babo in the region.
I wonder if Scott Ritter and the others will continue to talk about Israel being destroyed.
All of Russia’s investments in Syria are lost. The Russian soldiers and Wagner fighters have sacrificed their lives in vain for this shithole country.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 8 2024 9:59 utc | 583

Predictably, Trump is now saying that Zelensky wants a peace deal, lead story on RT.
https://www.rt.com/news/608952-ukraine-deal-russia-trump/
Seems like Drumpy’s numbers are a little F’d up, but whatever. So many ‘coincidences’ /yawn

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Dec 8 2024 10:00 utc | 584

Cargo cultists lol. Let’s revisit your hot take in a year.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 8 2024 9:52 utc | 598

Strelkov was telling the cargo cultists the truth in March 2022. That was nearly three years ago.
Where were we then, where are we now?

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 10:09 utc | 585

I believe that the Russians struck a deal with turkey, heimien airbase, tartus port, and alawite area around it, most likely won’t be attacked by “rebels” but hey, we all know they are terrorists.
so it probably will fall too!
just like they weren’t supposed to shoot down Assad’s plane.
but it’s looking like that happened.
so Assad is most likely dead.
what part of agreement incapable do you not understand???

Posted by: BurnEye | Dec 8 2024 10:10 utc | 586

@Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 0:59 utc | 410
>>Would you enlighten us at the bar as to what you think Russia should do?
“Should do” in which situation? So many crises going on simultaneously. After the drone strike on the Kremlin? Let one fly at Buckingham Palace, which’d put Western elites on notice that sometimes, too far really is too far.
For the current mess in Syria, I’ll go with @Philly | Dec 8 2024 0:38 utc | 402: “Russia abandoned Syria years ago.” The Astana accords appeased Turkey at the expense of Syria, because the latter is not viable with a burgeoning takfiri paradise next door–or rather, with said paradise implanted inside Syria’s own organism. Then add that the American side were welcome to help themselves to Syria’s farmland and oil: why wouldn’t the SAA and the wider Syrian state be demoralized? It may be like Russian patriots were talking about Surovikin’s Kherson withdrawal with gritted teeth: at the time it was done the best/only rational decision, but merely as wages-of-sin for past mistakes (then, failure to mobilize right after the Istanbul talks collapsed).
But why would Russia try doing anything (else)? This is the Long Game(TM) which Moscow wanted. You see it here in this thread; hope it’s not too ad hominem but just as an example, @karlof1 basically goes: as long as my bro Putin is running things, surely it must all be for the better–or something. No sense that this is a catastrophe which should be learned from (“learning” as in: heads must roll–and don’t tell me that that one general Kisel was a meaningful scapegoat) if a repeat is to be avoided.
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@kupkee | Dec 8 2024 4:43 utc | 498
>>Trusting the U.S. is like trusting Erdogan.
As Sebastian LaCroix, the vampire prince of LA, said: “It’s not about trust, it’s whom they hate the most!” OK let me try to be serious. Normally I’d agree with you. More importantly, the Izzies agree with you; that’s why they spy the crap out of the USA. They don’t trust their Uncle Shlomo–they own him. How many Bible verses about Israel, Judea, and all that, and how many Bible verses about Ukraine? That settles it with American voters–and those Americans who think themselves secular, have nonetheless imbibed Holocaust liturgy since kindergarten. As for American elites, AIPAC has long figured out what makes them tick (and I mean blackmail as well as baksheesh).
Old crumbling Britain deludes itself into having a “special relationship”; but let’s face it, Israel has one. There’s nothing else like it.
>>But way too much dust in the air to see much with clarity.
Amen brother. Smart isn’t always wise. This is no step towards peace. But it’s what the Zios want: they need to be universally hated and feared, it’s how they created themselves in the image of Torah. So far, they are realizing that agenda.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 10:10 utc | 587

Kevork Almassian said yesterday “my sources in Syria say, the most 3 involved powers in this operation are Turkey, Israel and France. Behind them, we have Qatar and the United States. Qatar is funding the money for the militants.” This conversation was on Friday, Dec. 6 show George Szamuely hosted. Lot of information from Kevork, he said more than once how much his heart was heavy.

Posted by: Same sun | Dec 8 2024 10:13 utc | 588

Thierry Meyssan has published an amazing article in which he claims:

Iran has abandoned General Qassem Soleimani’s strategy of the “Axis of Resistance,” according to which Tehran helps and coordinates all the independent armed groups fighting against the colonization of the region. It refused to help Lebanon during the Israeli invasion, then a faction in power transmitted to Israel the coordinates of the main military leaders of Hezbollah so that they could be assassinated.
Simultaneously, Tehran and Tel Aviv staged their antagonism, both pretending to be ready for a decisive fight. However, the two Iranian attacks (Operation “Honest Promise” of April 13 and October 1) and the two Israeli attacks (of April 19 and October 26) caused almost no human damage, even if the military of both sides took advantage of it to test the defenses of the adversary [3]. A secret agreement between Washington, Tehran and Tel Aviv became evident.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article221566.html
Can anybody verify these assertions? (Craig? Vanessa Beeley?)

Posted by: Medusa | Dec 8 2024 10:18 utc | 589

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 9:43 utc | 594
It’s always sad and frustrating when dreams confront reality.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 8 2024 10:40 utc | 590

“The Deep State…considers global conflict as the
price to pay for maintaining its largesse from the US taxpayer.
Continuous warfare is its only business product.”…
(parag. 4)…11/7/2019, “Deep State on the National Security Council: Colonel Vindman Is an ‘Expert’ With an Agenda,” Philip Giraldi
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Posted by: susan mullen | Dec 8 2024 7:00 utc | 550
“The problem was how to keep the wheels of industry turning without increasing the real wealth of the world. Goods must be produced, but they must not be distributed. And in practice the only way of achieving this was by continuous warfare.”
“The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.”
-George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty Four

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 11:12 utc | 591

“The Deep State…considers global conflict as the
price to pay for maintaining its largesse from the US taxpayer.
Continuous warfare is its only business product.”…
(parag. 4)…11/7/2019, “Deep State on the National Security Council: Colonel Vindman Is an ‘Expert’ With an Agenda,” Philip Giraldi
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Posted by: susan mullen | Dec 8 2024 7:00 utc | 550
“The problem was how to keep the wheels of industry turning without increasing the real wealth of the world. Goods must be produced, but they must not be distributed. And in practice the only way of achieving this was by continuous warfare.”
“The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.”
-George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty Four

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 11:12 utc | 592

“Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.”
-Craig Murray
There is a regular Sunni commentator on the Thinking Muslim podcast who confirms this statement

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 11:28 utc | 593

Sorry accidentally posted the former
“Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.”
-Craig Murray
There is a regular Sunni commentator on the Thinking Muslim podcast whose own rhetoric seems to confirm this statement.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 11:43 utc | 594

Unlike these two, Syria never gave up its strategic weapons. With what is on the table, and hordes of head cutting jihadists descending upon Damascus and then the coast, there’s no chance in hell that Syria is going down alone.
Posted by: Mary | Dec 7 2024 14:10 utc | 100
Really?

Posted by: Tichy | Dec 8 2024 11:47 utc | 595

Official Russian Statement:
“⚡️ We are following the dramatic events in Syria with extreme concern.
As a result of the negotiations held between B. Assad and a number of participants in the armed conflict in the SAR, he decided to leave the presidential post and left the country, giving instructions to transfer power peacefully.
Russia did not participate in these negotiations.
At the same time, we appeal to all parties involved with a strong call to renounce the use of violence and resolve all governance issues through political means.
In this regard, the Russian Federation is in contact with all groups of the Syrian opposition.
We call for respect for the opinions of all ethno-confessional forces in Syrian society, and support efforts to establish an inclusive political process based on the unanimously adopted UN Security Council Resolution 2254.
We expect that these approaches will be taken into account by the UN and all interested players, including in the context of the implementation of the initiative of the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative for Syria, G. Pedersen, to urgently organize inclusive intra-Syrian negotiations in Geneva.
At the same time, all necessary measures are being taken to ensure the safety of our citizens in Syria.
Russian military bases in Syria are on high alert. At the moment, there is no serious threat to their security.”
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Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 8 2024 11:57 utc | 596

Can anybody verify these assertions? (Craig? Vanessa Beeley?)
Posted by: Medusa | Dec 8 2024 10:18 utc | 607
Thierry Meyssan jumped the shark decades ago when he wrote the twin towers were brought down by controlled demolition and no planes hit the towers, despite extensive video evidence of this been not true.

Posted by: Autumn | Dec 8 2024 12:31 utc | 597

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 8 2024 11:43 utc | 612
Or the unpalatable truth that many Arabs and their leaders don’t really care about the Palestinians, beyond lip-service, simply content with using them as convenient shields from unpalatable truths, or revenue raising tools.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 8 2024 12:48 utc | 598

pity Lawrence of Arabia maps. where is our new el Lawrence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B544fVj1v_s

Posted by: christian frost | Dec 8 2024 12:58 utc | 599

A lot of people seem to have forgotten that US/Israel have actually weakened both Iran and Hezbollah seriously through rather systematically killing their leaders. The pager attack can be seen, in hindsight, as part of the preparation to US/Israel’s takeover of Syria. The Western powers haven’t raised an eyebrow over anything the US have done.
Many things can happen but at the moment it looks like US/Israel owns the momentum. Their extremely dirty collaboration with those head-chopper fanatics is another example of the West’s acceptance of absolutely anything the US come up with.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 8 2024 13:42 utc | 600