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December 7, 2024
Craig Murray – The End of Pluralism in the Middle East

by Craig Murray
Republished from craigmurray.org.uk

A truly seismic change in the Middle East appears to be happening very fast. At its heart is a devil’s bargain – Turkey and the Gulf States accept the annihilation of the Palestinian nation and creation of a Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia minorities of Syria and Lebanon and the imposition of Salafism across the Eastern Arab world.

This also spells the end for Lebanon and Syria’s Christian communities, as witness the tearing down of all Christmas decorations, the smashing of all alcohol and the forced imposition of the veil on women in Aleppo now.

Yesterday US Warthog air-to-ground jets attacked and severely depleted reinforcements which were, at the invitation of the Syrian government, en route to Syria from Iraq. Constant, daily Israeli airstrikes on Syria’s military infrastructure for months have been a major factor in the demoralisation and reduced capacity of the Syrian government’s Syrian Arab Army, which has simply evaporated in Aleppo and Hama.

It is very difficult to see the tide turning in Syria. The Russians now have either to massively reinforce their Syrian bases with ground troops or to evacuate them. Faced with the exigencies of Ukraine, they may do the latter, and it is reported that the Russian navy has already set sail from Tartus.

The speed of collapse of Syria has taken everybody by surprise. If the situation does not stabilise, Damascus could be besieged and ISIS back on the hills above the Bekaa valley within a week, given the speed of their advance and the short distances involved.

A renewed Israeli attack on Southern Lebanon to coincide with a Salafist invasion of the Bekaa Valley would then seem inevitable, as the Israelis would obviously wish their border with their new Taliban-style Greater Syrian neighbour to be as far North as possible. It could be a race for Beirut, unless the Americans have already organised who gets it.

It is no coincidence that the attack on Syria started the day of the Lebanon/Israel ceasefire. The jihadist forces do not want to be seen to be fighting alongside Israel, even though they are fighting forces which have been relentlessly bombed by Israel, and in the case of Hezbollah are exhausted from fighting Israel.

The Times of Israel has no compunction about saying the quiet part out loud, unlike the British media:


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In fact Israeli media is giving a lot more truth about the Syrian rebel forces than British and American media just now. This is another article from the Times of Israel:

While HTS officially seceded from Al Qaeda in 2016, it remains a Salafi jihadi organization designated as a terror organization in the US, the EU and other countries, with tens of thousands of fighters.

Its sudden surge raises concerns that a potential takeover of Syria could transform it into an Islamist, Taliban-like regime – with repercussions for Israel at its south-western border. Others, however, see the offensive as a positive development for Israel and a further blow to the Iranian axis in the region.

Contrast this to the UK media, which from the Telegraph and Express to the Guardian has promoted the official narrative that not just the same organisations, but the same people responsible for mass torture and executions of non-Sunnis, including Western journalists, are now cuddly liberals.

Nowhere is this more obvious than the case of Abu Mohammad Al-Jolani, sometimes spelt Al-Julani or Al-Golani, who is now being boosted throughout western media as a moderate leader. He was the deputy leader of ISIS, and the CIA actually has a $10 million bounty on his head! Yes, that is the same CIA which is funding and equipping him and giving him air support.

Supporters of the Syrian rebels still attempt to deny that they have Israeli and US support – despite the fact that almost a decade ago there was open Congressional testimony in the USA that, to that point, over half a billion dollars had been spent on assistance to Syrian rebel forces, and the Israelis have openly been providing medical and other services to the jihadists and effective air support.

One interesting consequence of this joint NATO/Israel support for the jihadist groups in Syria is a further perversion of domestic rule of law. To take the UK as an example, under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act it is illegal to state an opinion that supports, or may lead somebody else to support, a proscribed organisation.

The abuse of this provision by British police to persecute Palestinian supporters for allegedly encouraging support for proscribed organisations Hamas and Hezbollah is notorious, with even tangential alleged references leading to arrest. Sarah Wilkinson, Richard Medhurst, Asa Winstanley, Richard Barnard and myself are all notable victims, and the persecution has been greatly intensified by Keir Starmer.

Yet Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) is also a proscribed group in the UK. But both British mainstream media and British Muslim outlets have been openly promoting and praising HTS for a week – frankly much more openly than I have ever witnessed anyone in the UK support Hamas and Hezbollah – and not a single person has been arrested or even warned by UK police.


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That in itself is the strongest of indications that western security services are fully behind the current attack on Syria.

For the record, I think it is an appalling law, and nobody should be prosecuted for expressing an opinion either way. But the politically biased application of the law is undeniable.

When the entire corporate and state media in the West puts out a unified narrative that Syrians are overjoyed to be released by HTS from the tyranny of the Assad regime – and says nothing whatsoever of the accompanying torture and execution of Shias, and destruction of Christmas decorations and icons – it ought to be obvious to everybody where this is coming from.

Yet – and this is another UK domestic repercussion – a very substantial number of Muslims in the UK support HTS and the Syrian rebels, because of the funding pumped into UK mosques from Saudi and Emirate Salafist sources. This is allied to the UK security service influence also wielded through the mosques, both by sponsorship programmes and “think tanks” benefiting approved religious leaders, and by the execrable coercive Prevent programme.

UK Muslim outlets that have been ostensibly pro-Palestinian – like Middle East Eye and 5 Pillars – enthusiastically back Israel’s Syrian allies in ensuring the destruction of resistance to the genocide of the Palestinians. Al Jazeera alternates between items detailing dreadful massacre in Palestine, and items extolling the Syrian rebels bringing Israel-allied rule to Syria.

Among the mechanisms they employ to reconcile this is a refusal to acknowledge the vital role of Syria in enabling the supply of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah. Which supply the jihadists have now cut off, to the absolute delight of Israel, and in conjunction with both Israeli and US air strikes.

In the final analysis, for many Sunni Muslims both in the Middle East and in the West, the pull seems to be stronger of sectarian hatred of the Shia and the imposition of Salafism, than preventing the ultimate destruction of the Palestinian nation.

I am not a Muslim. My Muslim friends happen to be almost entirely Sunni. I personally regard the continuing division over the leadership of the religion over a millennium ago as deeply unhelpful and a source of unnecessary continued hate.

But as a historian I do know that the western colonial powers have consciously and explicitly used the Sunni/Shia split for centuries to divide and rule. In the 1830’s, Alexander Burnes was writing reports on how to use the division in Sind between Shia rulers and Sunni populations to aid British colonial expansion.

On 12 May 1838, in his letter from Simla setting out his decision to launch the first British invasion of Afghanistan, British Governor General Lord Auckland included plans to exploit Shia/Sunni division in both Sind and Afghanistan to aid the British military attack.

The colonial powers have been doing it for centuries, Muslim communities keep falling for it, and the British and Americans are doing it right now to further their remodelling of the Middle East.

Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.

I refer to the UK because I witnessed this first hand during the election campaign in Blackburn. But the same is true all over the Muslim world. Not one Sunni Muslim-led state has lifted a single finger to prevent the genocide of the Palestinians.

Their leadership is using anti-Shia sectarianism to maintain popular support for a de facto alliance with Israel against the only groups – Iran, Houthi and Hezbollah – which actually did attempt to give the Palestinians practical support in resistance. And against the Syrian government which facilitated supply.

The unspoken but very real bargain is this. The Sunni powers will accept the wiping out of the entire Palestinian nation and formation of Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia communities in Syria and Lebanon by Israel and forces backed by NATO (including Turkey).

There are, of course, contradictions in this grand alliance. The United States’ Kurdish allies in Iraq are unlikely to be happy with Turkey’s destruction of Kurdish groups in Syria, which is what Erdoğan gains from Turkey’s very active military role in toppling Syria – in addition to extending Turkish control of oilfields.

The Iran-friendly Iraqi government will have further difficulty with reconciling US continuing occupation of swathes of its country, as they realise they are the next target.

The Lebanese army is under control of the USA, and Hezbollah must have been greatly weakened to have agreed the disastrous ceasefire with Israel. Christian fascist militias traditionally allied to Israel are increasingly visible in parts of Beirut, though whether they would be stupid enough to make common cause with jihadists from the North may be open to question. But should Syria fall entirely to jihadist rule – which may happen fast – I do not rule out Lebanon following very quickly indeed, and being integrated into a Salafist Greater Syria.

How the Palestinians of Jordan would react to this disastrous turn of events, it is hard to be sure. The British puppet Hashemite Kingdom is the designated destination for ethnically cleansed West Bank Palestinians under the Greater Israel plan.

What this all potentially amounts to is the end of pluralism in the Levant and its replacement by supremacism. An ethno-supremacist Greater Israel and a religio-supremacist Salafist Greater Syria.

Unlike many readers, I have never been a fan of the Assad regime or blind to its human rights violations. But what it did undeniably do was maintain a pluralist state where the most amazing historical religious and community traditions – including Sunni (and many Sunni do support Assad), Shia, Alaouites, descendants of the first Christians, and speakers of Aramaic, the language of Jesus – were all able to co-exist.

The same is true of Lebanon.

What we are witnessing is the destruction of that and imposition of a Saudi-style rule. All the little cultural things that indicate pluralism – from Christmas trees to language classes to winemaking to women going unveiled – have just been destroyed in Aleppo and could be destroyed from Damascus to Beirut.

I do not pretend that there are not genuine liberal democrats among the opposition to Assad. But they have negligible military significance, and the idea that they would be influential in a new government is delusion.

In Israel, which pretended to be a pluralist state, the mask is off. The Muslim call to prayer has just been banned. Arab minority members of the Knesset have been suspended for criticising Netanyahu and genocide. More walls and gates are built every day, not just in unlawfully occupied territories but in the “state of Israel” itself, to enforce apartheid.

I confess I once had the impression that Hezbollah was itself a religio-supremacist organisation; the dress and style of its leadership look theocratic. Then I came here and visited places like Tyre, which has been under Hezbollah elected local government for decades, and found that swimwear and alcohol are allowed on the beach and the veil is optional, while there are completely unmolested Christian communities there.

I will never now see Gaza, but wonder if I might have been similarly surprised by Hamas rule.

It is the United States which is promoting the cause of religious extremism and of the end, all over the Middle East, of a societal pluralism similar to Western norms. That is of course a direct consequence of the United States being allied to both the two religio-supremacist centres of Israel and Saudi Arabia.

It is the USA which is destroying pluralism, and it is Iran and its allies which defend pluralism. I would not have seen this clearly had I not come here. But once seen, it is blindingly obvious.

Beirut 6 December 2024


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Comments

Cynic@2251 Dec 7
Russia is a bit mature to do something as silly as nuking the Yellowstone caldera. However there was this very minor quake, merely 7 on the Richter scale. Is it even remotely possible that some number of miles off the California Humboldt County coast was “visited” by a Russian sub which let loose with a toned-down Poseidon?
Certainly not probable, but there is a faint possibility. For sure, Naval and Darpa research labs would be all over that particular “act of nature”…Justin Case.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 0:53 utc | 401

What can Iran do really, when IAF and USAF together (and they work together) de facto control most of the skies that matter?
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 0:16 utc | 392

Those planes have to land somewhere. Iran could have taken out the bases.
It didn’t because as it turned out Iran has the same kind of compromised elites that Russia does. Despite Iran superficially having an ideological government, which Russia no longer does after the USSR collapsed.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 8 2024 0:56 utc | 402

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 0:53 utc | 407
Would you enlighten us at the bar as to what you think Russia should do?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 0:59 utc | 403

EdforNaught@2254
What’s holding up your confession? Are you or are you not some form of Ha$barfa/$ayanim troll for Mo$$ad? Fess up now. Even the R.C.s in Rome contend that confession is good for the soul.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:00 utc | 404

It’s interesting how these trolls are attacking Russia and Iran – instead of those countries who are attacking Syria – USA, Britain, France – and various Arab countries such as Jordan and so on…
What interests me really is whether these trolls are human or digital automatums – perhaps I should ask them to open the pod doors or sing A Bicycle Made For Two.

Posted by: hh | Dec 8 2024 1:04 utc | 405

HugeG & Mousy Tongue around 2300
Noting here that you two must work for the same agency. Doing the old tag-team gig.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:04 utc | 406

Posted by: salmon | Dec 7 2024 22:44 utc | 353
Putin always duped in good faith fortunately. How bad would it be if he wasn’t in good faith …
With friends like that …

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 8 2024 1:08 utc | 407

Hilda@2255 Dec 7
Please explain how V.V. Putin can be a “bourgeois liberal & a neocon at the same time” It’s somewhat similar to transubstantiation where bread and wine magically transforms into flesh and wine. Are you an R.C. perchance?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:11 utc | 408

surferket@2258 Dec 7
Perhaps you could inform us whether those who hire all these trolls infesting this thread would even possibly take on individuals who are ardent advocates of honesty, justice and truth? Thanks for a positive reply. I thought you might be up on that subject.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:15 utc | 409

Posted by: Jm | Dec 8 2024 1:08 utc | 414
He went to jail for his journalism and beliefs. Would you be prepared to do that to be the centre of attention?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 1:17 utc | 410

https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1865365724140614110
Kevork Almassian🇸🇾🇦🇲 @KevorkAlmassian
Translation: the US will build a vassal state for Washington.
Steven A. Cook @stevenacook
If Assad falls, the impulse in Washington will be to help build a democratic Syria. Check that impulse; that’s for Syrians.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 8 2024 1:17 utc | 411

“Today we support the rebels, tomorrow I don’t know but right now the rebels are against Assad. We also want to get rid of Iran and Hezbollah, right? Tomorrow if they are nice to us we’ll support them as well.”
Lt Col Mordechai Kedar, former Israeli intelligence official.
Israel Acting Opportunistically as Syria Conflict Escalates
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1865426040983871490

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 1:21 utc | 412

Aleph Null@2325
My good man…how does one read Karl Popper incidentally? Or is your syntax a tad garbled? Typical of an academicist rather than a journalist. Sitzfleisch unlimited.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:21 utc | 413

meanwhile, ukr is losing 5 big shiddys 😉 as it is

Posted by: Macpott | Dec 8 2024 1:24 utc | 414

@kupkee | Dec 7 2024 22:43 utc | 351
>>What would the U.S. do if the Turks made it all the way to the Israeli Border?
Is that, like, a rhetorical question? US commitment to Israel is credible, like it or not. If the Turks (and I assume you also mean proxies) got within 100~50km of Israel’s borders, the hegemon might helpfully ask if they’d perhaps taken a wrong turn. Once. Then, US/IL Air Forces would vaporize them without hesitation–NATO ally or not.
The USAF has defended their (made-up, illegal) Red Lines around al-Tanf and Conoco Oil Fields with Hellfire missiles, not calls for restraint. They are prepared to do a good deal more to defend Israel.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 1:26 utc | 415

JamesBond@2352
Similar to the late Ian Fleming you are quite gifted at espionage fantasy.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:28 utc | 416

Elma Dec 8@002
You sure don’t come on like any Gnostic I have read. In fact, you sound more like one of those “Christian” Zionists.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 1:32 utc | 417

@424,
I wish it was fantasy, but Syria as it was known, is gone. Will see what happens with the new regime.

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 1:34 utc | 418

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 1:26 utc | 423
The US will do anything to defend their colony Of Israel.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 1:35 utc | 419

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2024 18:36 utc | 233
Thanks to you and to others (JB in particular). I will say something for the year now ending- it goes on for a bit for the Chinese, among whom I count one of my favorite sons in law, and is still (the year) that of the dragon, which was the year of my birth. So, personally, it has that going for it, though there was lots of warring going on at the time then, and is still at the time now.
Silence, in my faith, is called hesychia and is highly valued. And much nastiness that has happened has about it what Joseph of Genesis fame said to his brothers: you meant it for me as evil, but God has transformed it into good. (Or words to that effect.)
Thank you, b – thank you, Craig.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 8 2024 1:41 utc | 420

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 1:34 utc | 426
Hi 007. Who do you think will be your next incarnation?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 1:41 utc | 421

@Surferket | Dec 7 2024 22:58 utc | 363
>>They are stuck in their delusional make believe world where Erdo is their Best Friend.
Not sure if it’s literally delusion. The Realpolitik idea always was “better keep appeasing Erdo even as he periodically screws us over, or he might go full NATO and screw us a lot more.” But if this offensive is Erdo going full NATO, then what is the rationale for continuing the policy? Bureaucratic inertia? Or have Kremlin elites just too much money invested in Turkey?

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 1:45 utc | 422

Not going to.pretend that I know what the state of play actually is right now, but the biblical prophesy of a cataclysmic war followed by 1000 years of peace on earth certainly looks to be a distinct possibility.
A war that draws in the Brics global majority against the bankrupt ( morally and economically) West is unlikely to end with the West as winners. The Russians are well prepared as are the Iranians. China is the global manufacturing powerhouse whose ability to produce at scale trumps anything the West can pluck from its arse. Then there are nations like Yemen. In the washup, that shityy little illegitimate state whose cult member agents have infested governments globally and been responsible for most of the wars the West has fermented in the last couple of hundred years will be wiped from the gaze of humanity. I profoundly regret the human cost of this but it is ultimately due to the actions of a small group of cult members who think they are entitled to treat the rest of humanity despicably. Can’t happen soon enough.

Posted by: eagle eye | Dec 8 2024 1:45 utc | 423

‘Moscow Approved Syrian Opposition’?
https://x.com/asadabukhalil/status/1865466846910316773
“Ibrahim Amin of Al-Akhbar wrote a few days ago that Russia had warned Bashar Al-Assad that the axis is collapsing and urged him to reconcile with Moscow-approved Syrian opposition.
He refused. Erdogan tried to reconcile with him and he refused. Not sure what he was counting on.”
curiouser and curiouser.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 1:49 utc | 424

HughG no.198 .. (re your asserting that at the juncture 2015-2017, Assad wasted his chance)
and 347 “If Prigozhin were alive, if the Wagner PMC existed, the militants would not have succeeded and Syria would have been saved”.
But to understand the stage that had been set at that time, as far as i know,
In 2015, US had sent troops and 100s of support staff to Syria’s neighbouring countries; some were Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. ‘Janes Defence Weekly’ reports that in Dec 2015, the US ships 94.4 tonnes of weapons & ammunition, generally of Soviet-type equipment from Eastern Europe to Syrian rebel groups -under the ongoing CIA Timber Sycamore operation.. so this is an aspect of what is always going on underneath the surface and this equipment sits in wait to be utilized.
So maybe as you say, in 2017 it appears there is a capitulation, and even in 2017 it is reported the Donald Trump admin decided to phase out the CIA program to equip/train anti-govt rebel groups.
But very soon, April 2018, Assad is accused of using chemical weapons. (And the Coalition, UK, Can, Germany all denounce Assad). What else has been going on? March ’18 – US forces are building a large military base in the al-Omar region of Dier-al-Zor, reinforcing their position in Syria.
At the time of the news coming online about the chemical attack, there’s press about D.Trump’s new pick for Secretary of State following the firing of Rex Tillerson; it’s CIA Director Mike Pompei, who’s raring to go and gives an in-your-face quote: “In Syria, a handful of weeks ago the Russians met their match … A couple hundred Russians were killed”. Pompeo goes on to say that the Americans sent a distinct signal to Moscow, because ” Vladimir Putin’s not yet received the message sufficently. We need continued work at that. ”
– He is referring to the Feb 7 2018 incident where US launched airstrikes against pro Assad forces near Deir al Zour. These men, hundreds of Russian volunteers who were killed were affiliated with the Wagner Group.(Prigozhin)
I was interested when Petri Krohn happened to post about Kit Klarenberg’s report about the Novichuk poisoning of Sergei Skripal and daughter Yulia (March 2018) because it appears really, as another ‘message’ being sent to VVP. And that is why the idea that Assad had his chance after 2017 appears to me, in reality more like there’s been an American plus coalition ongoing, continual attack, one putting heavy pressure on one distinct ally of the Syrian leader.

Posted by: Same sun | Dec 8 2024 2:02 utc | 425

Philly@047 Dec 8
Yup. No doubt you are a tool…perhaps even a devout Zionist. So you assail Simplicius. His work is rigorously researched, his point of view is anti-imperialist and common sensical. His presentation is resonant with critical analysis.
So what is your excuse for breathing?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 2:03 utc | 426

The Presidential palace in Damascus is being stormed right now, that’s it, Syria has fallen. Assad is nowhere to be seen, Rumor is that Assad fled several days ago and is already in exile, possibly in the UAE.

Posted by: Kadath | Dec 8 2024 2:04 utc | 427

Mama Lousy @053 Dec 8
Has anyone called you a $hithead…a $hekelgrubber? Guess what? It just happened. You are a mere tool of some intel agency OR a Ha$barfa, but more probably a paid $ayanim.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 2:07 utc | 428

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:12 utc |
Thanks for the Amarynth (reading backwards as I’d at first skimmed past). Very helpful.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 8 2024 2:13 utc | 429

the Zionazis of white death camp Israel;
All are the same happy family.
The Fourth Reich.
In the world there is emerging an iron curtain between the Fourth Reich and the law-based and civilised rest of the world. 🌍”
You forgot or deliberately omitted the most evil of all-pirate country England which plotted Syria. War like it has plotted Ukraine war.
Former Foreign minister of France Dumas himself said that on year 2009 he was approached by English spies who asked him if France would like to join Britain in sabotaging Assad govt of Syria .To which France declined.still people talk of USA or Zionists etc when in reality the whole macabre fire in the world is satanic act of English satanic nation Putin should have attacked and killed the seed of evil from start rather than doing nothing for last 9 years in Syria

Posted by: Sam | Dec 8 2024 2:16 utc | 430

Sad to say but we will never see that meme with Assad anymore (the who must go meme). I guess the writing was on the wall since the city of Hama fell.

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 2:18 utc | 431

MaLousy@126Dec 8
“US commitment is credible”. It would be incredible if it were not so. After all the Zionist Entity for whom you are at the least a devout fanboi…and the U$$A with its two House of Congre$$ cheering on AIPAC campaign contributions for the world’s #1 Genocider like a pod of trained seals, clapping for every statement that Swine regurgitated from his lying, perfervid yap.
All three of those nefarious entities owe their allegiance to the Rottenchild Crime Clan Bank in City of London…no big secret, but the average American Vidiot is kept comfortably numb by the Zionist owners of the mass media of misinformation and mindfuckery…ala Edward Bernays, nephew to Freud and template for Joesef Goebbels.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 2:19 utc | 432

Fog of war is heavy and deep in Syria.
We will all know by the new year what the true picture is telling us. Virtues of forbearance, perseverance, and the ability to wait is what is needed here.
Time will tell. The truth will reveal itself.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Dec 8 2024 2:19 utc | 433

@435 kadath
If true…
I have read A.I. may have been used for issuing retreat orders to the SAA. This seems to go hand-in-hand with Israel’s recent MO of long-thinking innovation around technology use/communications.
Also, the combined skill of Turkey and Ukraine in drone operation has probably been way too much for the SAA to handle. Remember, Azerbaijan annihilated the Armenians in drone warfare using Turkish tech/consulting. Couple that with Ukraine’s hard-won skill in this area and the SAA were probably terrorized and routed quickly.
The strategic location of Syria is really unfortunate considering they are the underdog. If this is a defeat for Syria, I understand completely the how. Very sad.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 8 2024 2:23 utc | 434

Its over GG assad. Seems like Russia has a deal with hts or sna
https://t.me/s/Middle_East_Spectator/

Posted by: Feck | Dec 8 2024 2:26 utc | 435

Same Sun@202 Dec 8
Useful information on the deviousness of the Neocons currently in control of the Administrative bureaucrapcy of the Department of $tate ; the Agency and most of the top brown-nosed brass in the Pentagram. Also keen researching is evident. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 2:30 utc | 436

Feck@226 Dec 8
Yet another feckless pfuhl spouting garbage from an unreliable source. Man, the U$$A Department of the Treasury must have those money printing machines going overtime tonight. Lot’s of trolls to pay for their “services”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 2:35 utc | 437

Abraham accord was essentially with Sunnis. Next Jerusalem Temple accord with Shias who has been weakened

Posted by: Michael J | Dec 8 2024 2:36 utc | 438

Nemesis Calling @226 Dec 8
Sure looks as if “Sultan” Erdogan deserves a good Hazel-Wand whipping right up his palace door. That man may actually be positioning himself to rob “Perfidious” from the Sceptred Isle’s consistently shithead ownership…including King Chuck and all his courtiers and concubines.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 2:39 utc | 439

Readers have two choices: 1) believe the Jew controlled MSM that Syria is falling or 2) wait until the beginning of next week to hear what credible sources(Crooke, Johnson, Ritter, Escobar, Orlov etc…) have to say.
What I’ve seen today in this comment section – with a few rational exceptions – simply proves how useless citizens of the West really are. The slightest hint of bad news and everyone pees their pants. Unlike the diaper brigade endlessly wearing masks, you guys are suppose to be the smart ones!

Posted by: EoinW | Dec 8 2024 2:42 utc | 440

As I’ve previously confessed, I am an Amalek.
How wonderful that the chosen have their rent-a-jihadi kill for them.
What the rent-a-jihadi don’t realize, is that they too are the Amalek, and the chosen will come for them too. Pity the suckling.
Are you an Amalek?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 8 2024 2:43 utc | 441

Re: Trump’s tweet about “not our fight.”
This is par for the course for ol’ Trumpy.
Listen, it is one thing for Trump to be able to rally the troops and America to come to the aid of Israel and the Kurds who are fighting Jolani and big, bad AL Nusra. But it is another thing to get Americans to depose an Arab-Nationalist and pluralist state.
Deposing Saddam proved incredibly damaging to the U.S.’ ability to level its entire might abroad. After the Libyan debacle, the Pentagon put the brakes on its operations in Syria shortly after for that unpopular reason.
But when the Salafists control Syria, it will be easy to get Uncle Sam onboard Israel’s plan to take more and more bites out of Greater Syria and to protect the poor Kurds who are going to get reamed by Erdogan and his minions.
Wash, rinse, repeat and ever closer to Iran.
Useful idiots abound in the Middle East.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 8 2024 2:43 utc | 442

Posted by: EoinW | Dec 8 2024 2:42 utc | 448
Weeks ago I mentioned trump might trade Ukraine (and Romania ) for the ME (when I saw the appointments)
Now… as I mentioned earlier in this thread, 12th/13th if we see an effective counter attack then the deal is off, otherwise… no bets

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 8 2024 2:45 utc | 443

Addendum:
By the logic in the above post, it does appear that Russia and Turkey have agreed to certain realities and they may have a plan to stabilize the region.
It’s ugly but it is realpolitik.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 8 2024 2:51 utc | 444

Having now read Lavrov’s presser at Doha, what he said was well twisted here by the usual cranks. What follows is a selection of what he said:

Our common position is that it is necessary to urgently stop the hostilities and seek the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 2254, which calls for respect for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of the Syrian Arab Republic, and the establishment of a direct dialogue between the government and various opposition platforms, including the Moscow Platform. We agreed on this with our Qatari friends.
It was this topic that formed the basis of the trilateral meeting of the countries participating in the Astana format of the foreign ministers of Russia, Iran and Turkey.
We have clearly reaffirmed our commitment to the resolution, primarily in the context of preserving the unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic and the need to establish a political dialogue. Of course, all this will become possible if only the current situation with the advance of opposition forces, including Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, on Syrian soil, seizing territory, is stopped.
Special Envoy of the UN Secretary-General for Syria Geir Pedersen was invited to the second part of the Astana Troika meeting, who shares our concerns and believes it is important to take some steps by involving influential external players who can influence the situation on the ground in order to stop the current hostilities and resume talks between the Syrian parties, governments and the opposition.
This is not an easy task, given that, according to our information, the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham offensive from the Idlib zone to other areas, the capture of the city of Hama and the outskirts of the city of Homs – all this was carefully and long planned and is an attempt to change the situation on the ground and change the balance of power.
We will oppose this in every possible way, support the legitimate Syrian authorities and, at the same time, actively promote the need to resume dialogue with the opposition, as required by UN Security Council Resolution 2254
….
Question: You have just mentioned that Turkey is ready to take responsibility for persuading Hayat Tahrir al-Sham to return to the country’s sphere of influence. How realistic is it to start talks between the opposition and the Syrian government on the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 2254?
Sergey Lavrov: It will become clear very soon how ready they are for talks. We addressed such an appeal and will work with both the government and the opposition. There is a “Moscow group” of the opposition, which regularly works with us. We are also in contact with the opposition based in other capitals – in Riyadh and Istanbul. Now, given that Iran, Turkey and Russia have agreed to somehow facilitate the cessation of hostilities, we will take steps on the ground and with the opposition to resume talks.
As for the Idlib de-escalation zone, we said that the Astana format has developed obligations to prevent the strengthening of Hayat Tahrir al-Sham and to distance the “non-terrorist” opposition from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra). This was said today. The task remains relevant.
Question: In an interview with US journalists, Leader of the armed Syrian opposition Abdullah al-Julani said that if he wins, one of his goals is the withdrawal of foreign armed forces from Syria. Does Russia have a “backup plan” for this Arab republic, and did you discuss alternative scenarios in Doha today?
Sergey Lavrov: I did not see the entire interview. I know that he was given the CNN platform. This is a channel known for being close to the Biden administration.
Just recently, when these events began, the Biden administration informed us through certain channels that they still consider Hayat Tahrir al-Sham a terrorist organisation. Not only because it is on the UN terrorist list, but also because it is on the United States’ terrorist list.
At least (to put it mildly), the appearance of the head of this organization on TV screens, on the CNN channel raises questions.
As for what will be the fate of foreign troops. We proceed from the facts. They are such that there are foreign troops that no one invited there. These are, in particular, US troops. And there are units that are there at the invitation of the legitimate government. The legality of this government has not been canceled. We will proceed from this.
Now, at this stage, the main task is to stop the clashes. [My Emphasis]

Lavrov also spoke at length at the 22nd Doha Forum where there’s a great deal to read and report about. The initial sparring between Lavrov and the al-Jazerra reporter was tense. Here’s just one small part:
Lavrov: “I watched your channel this morning. I would say that the coverage was very “special”. The presenter said that opposition groups are capturing more and more cities. Al Jazeera calls Hayat Tahrir al-Sham an opposition group. From a journalistic point of view, this is not entirely correct.”
Very diplomatic for saying the media outlet’s lying and shows which side Qatar supports. In this case, I must agree with Martyanov’s assessment of Arab rulers. After I finish my current project, I’ll post translations of both events at my substack sometime tomorrow. The links are there for those willing to use a translator to get the straight info and not the misinformation spewed by pukes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 2:52 utc | 445

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 2:35 utc | 445
Hey fuck face you do realize that is an Iranian and pro assad tg. Maybe you should try reading through it

Posted by: Feck | Dec 8 2024 3:00 utc | 446

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 2:52 utc | 453
I think I see now, Assad is leaving because he refuses to reconcile with the Idlib gangs. The Russians intend to stand up a/the Syrian government and hold elections.
I can’t say I have any idea how that is going to work out.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2024 3:07 utc | 447

Force is overated.
Its overated because it can only destroy.
Iran ecelasted force with Israel.
They used their best plan.
Metered logical escelation.
Israel wanted the ultimate escelation.
Iran realized force waas not a deterent.
Iran realized force could not save the people of Gaza.
They stopped the escalation.
Within hours Russia was given a similar choice.
Will you try to save the people of Syria with force?
Do you think we do not wish mutual destruction?
Syria was Russias implementation of the Munich declaration.
It demonstrated strength of using force
Russian Weapons.
Russian will.
Russia as world police.
Now Russia gets its lesson.
Russia is given a way out.
Turn in your badge Russia.
Show the world you have no power.
Show the world you have no deterrent.
The people of Syria will be slaves but the world will live.
The genocide in Gaza is slow and deliberate.
The west had to prove they are mad.
The gazans are not hostages.
There are no conditions that can be met to save them.
They must be killed to prove the west is mad.
It is the rest of the world that is a hostage
Only by killing everyone in Gaza will the west prove it is mad.
Only by proving they are mad is it shown there is no deterrent.
The west has known it was not understood that they are mad.
They have always planned to prove they are mad.
Oct 7 LIHOP was just the means.
The start of proving they are mad.
Of course their words are quite mad.
Their wars are quite mad.
Only killing 2 million helpless people proves it.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 8 2024 3:07 utc | 448

Assad didn’t stand up to Israel. He never took part it any strike on Israel despite so many Israeli attacks. Turkish terrorists will be running Syria. For a while they will do as they are told by Israel but soon they will confront Israel, Lebanon and possibly Jordan too.
That’s when Russia and Iran must make their next move. For the time being Russia and Iran will be free from the Syria burden allowing them to take stock of the situation and build up weapons to target Israel and Turkey.

Posted by: Jason | Dec 8 2024 3:07 utc | 449

@: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 2:52 utc | 453
Thanks for that. “The task remains relevant” (Lavrov)
There is great disorder under Heaven: the situation is excellent. (Mao)

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 8 2024 3:09 utc | 450

The world is now run by Nazis, head-choppers and Zionists. Would nukes be worse?

Posted by: Seer | Dec 8 2024 3:09 utc | 451

So the tactic of this mighty terrorist army was to drive pickup trucks as fast as they could from town to town waving guns in the air? Brilliant! It is almost like they expected no resistance.

Posted by: nook | Dec 8 2024 3:11 utc | 452

Losing Ukraine is the end of murican power.

Posted by: nook | Dec 8 2024 3:13 utc | 453

This is running around Telegram, alleging Assad was on this flight:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/rb9218#3844aec1
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Dec 8 2024 3:13 utc | 454

@461,
That’s because there was no resistance…

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 3:13 utc | 455

No resistance and the terrorists knew there would be none.

Posted by: nook | Dec 8 2024 3:15 utc | 456

Now the million dollar question would be … Will US leave the territory that they illegally keep in Syria? The oil and the training bases in Kurdish Syria?

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 3:20 utc | 457

Say, which three-letter-agency can I submit a tip for Al-Jolani’s location? There is a $10 million bounty on his head and CNN was interviewing him.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 8 2024 3:32 utc | 458

Looks like its over in Damascus. Story is SAA ordered the surrender of all remaining forces there.
Where is Assad? Lots of rumors. When is the last time he appeared in public?

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 8 2024 3:34 utc | 459

So no one else notices how stage managed this looks? A lightly armed rabble overruns Syria in a few days with very little fighting to speak of. Sure, sounds legit…

Posted by: nook | Dec 8 2024 3:42 utc | 460

Been years since I posted on this site.
This is a monstrous day.

Posted by: Smith | Dec 8 2024 3:47 utc | 461

So, help me get this straight.
Gaza/West Bank – escalating human carnage & land theft.
Hezb’Allah, Lebanon – seriously bruised & with broken bones, trying to recover, licking their wounds in their tunnels.
Turkey (+ NATO/US/Israel as supporting actors)
unleashed a Horde of 100-200k head-chopping extremists (that make Israeli military almost look sweet in comparison)
to terrorise & sieze several key Syrian cities, equipped with NATO military power too, Ukrainian drones, electronic jamming of comms, lots of scaring, bribing & infiltration of ‘sleeper cells’…
and topple the Assad govt to carve up Syrian spoils, through “negotiations” with “legitimate opposition” (Yeah, right../end sarcasm). Erdogan with his Muslim Brotherhood connections, wants his “cut” of the Syrian pie, and as a convenient by product really help USUKIS’s plan of crushing Hezb`Allah, and by extension weaken Iran. The Kurds with the US also siezed more of Syria’s oilfields, and US strafe-bombed the handful of Iraqi resistance groups trying to enter. Syria turns into another Libya.
Iran & Russia are just mumbling diplomatic mumbojumbo, being “reasonable” and “polite”, and analysts all over the spectrum are wondering if either or both will intervene, and if so, are they are going to be “too little, too late” to do any good?
Iran seems to have backed off on its “True Promise 3” against Israel, or will be just be a symbolic nothingburger of congratulatory fireworks for Trump’s inauguration.
In short, the Empire wins, and Israel can “finish the job” on the Palestinians in peace and quiet.
All anti-imperial resistance is shown to be just not strong enough.
Bummer.

Posted by: Rain | Dec 8 2024 3:50 utc | 462

How does Russia respond now? One step forward (Ukraine), two steps backward (Syria). Turkey can never be trusted again. The only clear winner is Israel. Never let ’em tell you crime doesn’t pay: it pays very well, and better if you have zero morality.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2024 3:57 utc | 463

Iran and Russia have allowed a lightly armed force to destroy their investment of years in Syria. Putin is either in on it or he is an idiot. At this point one had to consider that even the Ukrainian war could be a choreographed conflict designed to bring Russia down from within. This is all very strange and one has to keep an open mind.

Posted by: Realist | Dec 8 2024 3:57 utc | 464

Very diplomatic for saying the media outlet’s lying and shows which side Qatar supports. In this case, I must agree with Martyanov’s assessment of Arab rulers. After I finish my current project, I’ll post translations of both events at my substack sometime tomorrow. The links are there for those willing to use a translator to get the straight info and not the misinformation spewed by pukes.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 2:52 utc | 453
Will wait to read your work
And will wait for the 13th
The trolls doth protest too much
That usually means they wish to win in the hearts and minds as militarily they would lose

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 8 2024 3:57 utc | 465

Posted by: Realist | Dec 8 2024 3:57 utc | 474
Agreed: all bets are off. If Iran and Russia have nothing to say or do in the next 24hrs we know the game’s over. Turkey was the key.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2024 3:59 utc | 466

Never Forget:
Donald Trump Boasted of Maintaining the Neocolonial Occupation of Syria (& vid)
https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1865570310222753963
“I left troops [in Syria] to take the oil. I took the oil. The only troops I have are taking the oil. They’re protecting the oil. I took over the oil’ – Fox News.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 4:00 utc | 467

Looks like Assad has fallen as Putin switched support to his Best friend Erdo’s Al Qaeda.

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 4:02 utc | 468

Syrians lack a Second Amendment.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2024 4:05 utc | 469

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 4:02 utc | 478
If so Putin cannot face the ROW as a reliable partner. The one ‘staunch ally’ narrative available has been squandered. We’re now supposed to expect Russia is agreement capable? If this is a genuine strategic defeat then all the more damning.
I am at a loss. I can only repeat what I said at #476.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2024 4:12 utc | 470

Posted by: Realist | Dec 8 2024 3:57 utc | 474
I’m inclined to think similar.
Only one side kills the leaders of the other side, etc.
Brother wars in ukraine and russia go on forever and now 18 year old boys are up for grabs even.
Aware people reading this blog in the west need to take heed and start becoming as disagreeable as possible in their own countries, judgement by our fellow countrymen be damned.

Posted by: ryanggg | Dec 8 2024 4:12 utc | 471

At this point one has to consider whether the Axis of Resistance (Russia included) is controlled opposition and a Gladio-like Nato force controls parts of the Russian state. Kursk is the bleeding belly of the Russian giant.
All bets are off and the unthinkable (a de facto one-world state where country flags are just for show and perception control) could be reality.

Posted by: Realist | Dec 8 2024 4:19 utc | 472

Killing the opposition really wins wars. Not The bullshit squabble in UN.
Rules based international order is definitely superior

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 4:24 utc | 473

I’m sorry. I could not finish this, as I’m so upset.
WTF happened to the Resistance??? Hezbollah made a HUGE mistake giving into a ceasefire..and Iran made a HUGE mistake in not following through on attacking Israhell. And Russia? What a major disappointment
I am sickened, DESPISE my gov, Israhell and the utter morons cheering on JIHADIS!!
The world has gone psychopathic

Posted by: Kay | Dec 8 2024 4:24 utc | 474

So the world as we have known it has ended.
What makes people just give up like that?
Have they accepted a death sentence as inevitable, and just lost the will to fight.
This does not cast a glowing light on friendship and loyalty and exposes the world as a cruel cold place.
What is the meaning of it all?

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 8 2024 4:25 utc | 475

03:04 GMT
The plane reportedly carrying President Bashar Assad has disappeared from radar, according to data from the flight tracker Flightradar. Syrian Airlines Ilyushin Il-76T departed from Damascus International Airport, suddenly lost altitude a few minutes later, and then disappeared from radar.
https://www.rt.com/news/608900-syria-damascus-live-updates/
I hope not, but it wouldn’t be uncharacteristic of the US to want to set an example of anyone defying the empire. It also wouldn’t surprise me if they even ‘gave guarantees’ and then shot it down anyway, just to rub it in Russia and Iran’s face?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 4:25 utc | 476

Posted by: ryanggg | Dec 8 2024 4:12 utc | 481
Yup, another choreographed war with population control as the goal. We are living in 1984.

Posted by: Realist | Dec 8 2024 4:27 utc | 477

Well this is all the result of Putin basically throwing away his entire career gains for his SMO in Ukraine. What a complete disaster – now Syria will become some basket case protectorate of the west, similar to iraq. Iran as we know it may not survive. Perhaps this blog should just shut down

Posted by: RIP | Dec 8 2024 4:28 utc | 478

The victorious rebels have given the Russian 48 hours to evacuate from all points in the country.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 8 2024 4:33 utc | 479

@474 realist
Not so fast.
Erdogan could probably only control the militants in his jurisdiction for so long. Perhaps his Neo-Ottoman aspirations will come to fruition.
Perhaps Russia and Iran, understanding that the drone warfare abilities of Turkey with Azerbaijan and Ukraine, would be too much for Syria, saw the writing on the wall.
But all is not lost.
We are entering back into multipolarity or an age of spheres of influence.
To me, that is not the same as the liberal world order (anglo-zionism) dominating the world.
Looks like the next big fight there will be not between the allies and Iran, but Turkey and the Kurds + Israel.
Perhaps that was the price the Russians and Iranians have paid to deescalate. In that case, should we thank them?
What about the victims of this deal?
Should we think Turkey is truly lockstep with Israel? I am not so sure and that is probably the promise the Russians were given that Turkey will be the buffer/administrator in the region to control the simmering enmity between Iran and Israel.

Thoughts?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 8 2024 4:36 utc | 480

I wonder if there was a backdoor deal to allow the
Palestinians to call a new home called ‘Syria’?
This was not a ‘surprise’ but a well planned initiative, hence
the phone call between Erdo and Putin a day prior to these events unfolding.
Ahwell… good riddance to Assad, 24years of rule and couldn’t do anything good for his own country.

Posted by: Mr. T | Dec 8 2024 4:38 utc | 481

​​​​
Is there still time to change my name to Rubenstein?

Posted by: librul | Dec 8 2024 4:39 utc | 482

So, after getting calm and visiting journalist Vanessa Beeley ‘s Telegram channel, I feel a little bit better.
She reminds us that the psy op war on Syria is VERY INTENSE right now and lots of misinfo, well meaning and not.
I mean even the jihadis are giving interviews on Israhelli TV!
Give her channel a follow, note the following link is not from her channel, but does show jihadis interview with Zionazi TV
https://t.me/FiorellaInMoscow/11218

Posted by: Kay | Dec 8 2024 4:40 utc | 483

So, after getting calm and visiting journalist Vanessa Beeley ‘s Telegram channel, I feel a little bit better.
She reminds us that the psy op war on Syria is VERY INTENSE right now and lots of misinfo, well meaning and not.
I mean even the jihadis are giving interviews on Israhelli TV!
Give her channel a follow, note the following link is not from her channel, but does show jihadis interview with Zionazi TV
https://t.me/FiorellaInMoscow/11218

Posted by: Kay | Dec 8 2024 4:40 utc | 484

You know Russia, maybe next time you catch wind of a coup against Erdogan you just might want to STFU.

Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 8 2024 4:42 utc | 485

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 1:26 utc | 423
Trusting the U.S. is like trusting Erdogan. Ask Ukrainian women what the American word is worth.
Right now, if Syria truly has fallen (it has been broken into pieces for more than a decade) I doubt anyone will be able to govern what once was all of Syria.
Israel may gain, but I suspect that having a weak and bleeding Assad will prove to have been preferrable to a strong Islamist faction up to the Golan.
But way too much dust in the air to see much with clarity.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 8 2024 4:43 utc | 486

https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1865591052683395292
Syrian Air Force Il-76T ( SYR9218 ) took off from Damascus International Airport and disappeared from radar after a while after dropping from 3.6 km to 1 km in the area of ​​the settlement of Ram Al-Anz.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 4:45 utc | 487

You know Russia, maybe next time you catch wind of a coup against Erdogan you just might want to STFU.
Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 8 2024 4:42 utc | 497
______
I think you just won the thread.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 8 2024 4:45 utc | 488

Watch FSA ‘Rebel’ Interview with Israeli Ch 11
https://x.com/MiddleEastIndex/status/1865485163825594476
“Dear neighbours from the friendly state of Israel…Speaking on behalf of all the free people of Syria, our next phase will be harmony and peace with the state of Israel. We invite you to invest in Syria.”
India Global Left Interviews Prof Mohammad Marandi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1f1T3jyeg8
“Syria, Erdogan, Netanyahu, Turkey, Israel, Russia, US, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 4:47 utc | 489

Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 8 2024 4:42 utc | 497
I highly doubt the ‘coup’ against Erdo was in fact real. When was the last time you heard of any other attempts on his life? Ok, so he cleaned house a bit, but most likely staged and
the Russians fell for the bait (false intelligence).
I’m sure it happens all the time… especially to the Russians, unfortunately.

Posted by: Mr. T | Dec 8 2024 4:51 utc | 490

Where is the Putin fanclub?

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 8 2024 4:52 utc | 491

Re: Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 7 2024 23:17 utc | 368

And why has Iran not launched a massive ballistic attack on Israel in retaliation for the IDF involvement in the attack on Assad (who was the only guarantor of the various Christian communities in Syria and Lebanon)? Iran needs to step and quickly too, their loyal ally is in extremis.
Sounds like some CIA/MI6/IDF/Turk skullduggery here, the SA has fought well over the last decade. Please note the IDF attacked the SA officer core last month with more exploding radios and pagers………
RF needs to respond in kind to this time for a Hazel attack on IDF HQ…….

Perhaps time for to join the world of reality Tobias.
Are Hezbollah’s allies – Syrian Arab Army – really that stupid to be the subject of an exploding pager attack – months after it happened to Hezbollah?
Apparently they are!!
Knowing they have that level of stupidity it is no surprise they have proven to be a pathetic fighting force in this conflict and really over run and bribed not to fight.
You have clearly not been paying attention if you think Russia is going to launch any kind of attack on Israel or the IDF – this is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
Why would it?
Why would Putin act so out of character in such a way?!?
Not going to happen.
As for Iran, the weakness of the so-called Shiite Crescent has been exposed as a paper tiger.
Iran does not possess the capability or ability to step in and support the SAA in this hour of need – have you not witnessed what Israel has done to Hezbollah in the past few months? Have you been asleep?!?
As for CIA/MI6/IDF/Turk skulduggery – oh no – whoever could have predicted that?!? Only absolutely anyone and everyone with a modicum of sense and free thinking!

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 4:55 utc | 492

re: EoinW | Dec 8 2024 2:42 utc | 448
The slightest hint of bad news and everyone pees their pants. Unlike the diaper brigade endlessly wearing masks, you guys are suppose to be the smart ones!
I take it that not much upsets you?

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 8 2024 5:00 utc | 493

@
You know Russia, maybe next time you catch wind of a coup against Erdogan you just might want to STFU.
Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 8 2024 4:42 utc | 497
______
I think you just won the thread.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 8 2024 4:45 utc | 500
Seeing as how Prigozhin’s plane suffered a ‘technical malfunction’ after betraying Putin, would those who saved a life now feel entitled to take a life?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 5:05 utc | 494

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 12:35 utc | 65
The A-10 proved itself to be vulnerable to 23mm SPAAG with optical aiming during desert storm. They were forced to stop operating at low altitude due to losses after one week.
They are only usable for gun runs against people with nothing bigger than 12.7/.50.
Fucking white elephant soaking up money on an aircraft that was obsolete before it was even introduced.

Posted by: Badjoke | Dec 8 2024 5:08 utc | 495

Seeing as how Prigozhin’s plane suffered
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 8 2024 5:05 utc | 506

The Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant has a questionable future.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 8 2024 5:09 utc | 496

Re: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 8 2024 0:00 utc |

It may very well be that what appears to be defeat and flight on the Syrian Arab Army’s part could instead be part of a strategy to conserve forces and resources, and to cede uninhabited and uninhabitable desert land to draw jihadis into a situation where they can be cauldroned and then picked off from the air. The SAA may be corrupt and its senior leaders easily bribed and led astray but HTS and Company still have to reckon with Syrian and allied airforces.

Laughable copium – oh no – the dreaded cauldrons!!!
The Russians use these so successfully to let the enemy escape and fight on – when have the Russians ever actually liquidated one of these feted cauldrons?!?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2024 5:09 utc | 497

We must remember to give much thanks to Putin for the end of the Syrian govt. His great love for brother Erdo and the 2 million Russian Jews in Israel convinced him to kill off Assad.
Posted by: Surferket | Dec 7
The phone call from Putin to Erdogan a couple of days before the attack probable just added the last details to the plan. Then the “Islamics” were cut lose.
Putin and Erdogan together.
Remember,
The powerful Jewish Lubavitcher group has its world headquarters in Dnipro, Ukraine.
Remember,
The Orthodox, Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic rabbi Berel Lazar (Chief Rabbi of Russia) is a personnel friend of Putin.
Remember,
Berel Lazar has also turned up as a guest at the White House (as a guest of George Bush, for one).
He also appears to have been a friend of Gorbachev.
Putin is well-known to be a Jew,… Erdogan is likely a Jew.
Explains why Putin is so soft on Ukraine and why he doesn’t care about Assad.

Posted by: All Juice | Dec 8 2024 5:15 utc | 498

President Assad’s Rule Ended: Syrian Army Command Tells Officers
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/12/08/738683/Syria-Assad-rule-ended
“The Syrian army command has notified officers that President Bashar al-Assad’s rule has ended as militants enter the capital Damascus, an officer says.
The unnamed officer made the remarks to Reuters on Sunday after reports said President Assad had flown out of Damascus for an unknown destination.
Meanwhile, the militants also declared that they had captured the capital, announcing the fall of the Assad government.
Syrian Prime Minister Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali expressed the government’s readiness to ‘extend its hand’ to the militants and hand over its functions to a transitional government.
‘I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country,’ he said in a video statement.
He also noted that he would go to his office to continue work in the morning calling on Syrian citizens not to deface public property.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 8 2024 5:16 utc | 499

I haven’t seen this forum get so dumb in two whole years. Worth noting that it’s not the established reasonable crowd’s fault, as usual. The “excitables” will get their high and then be forced to crash from the reality catching up, as usual.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 8 2024 5:17 utc | 500