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December 7, 2024
Craig Murray – The End of Pluralism in the Middle East

by Craig Murray
Republished from craigmurray.org.uk

A truly seismic change in the Middle East appears to be happening very fast. At its heart is a devil’s bargain – Turkey and the Gulf States accept the annihilation of the Palestinian nation and creation of a Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia minorities of Syria and Lebanon and the imposition of Salafism across the Eastern Arab world.

This also spells the end for Lebanon and Syria’s Christian communities, as witness the tearing down of all Christmas decorations, the smashing of all alcohol and the forced imposition of the veil on women in Aleppo now.

Yesterday US Warthog air-to-ground jets attacked and severely depleted reinforcements which were, at the invitation of the Syrian government, en route to Syria from Iraq. Constant, daily Israeli airstrikes on Syria’s military infrastructure for months have been a major factor in the demoralisation and reduced capacity of the Syrian government’s Syrian Arab Army, which has simply evaporated in Aleppo and Hama.

It is very difficult to see the tide turning in Syria. The Russians now have either to massively reinforce their Syrian bases with ground troops or to evacuate them. Faced with the exigencies of Ukraine, they may do the latter, and it is reported that the Russian navy has already set sail from Tartus.

The speed of collapse of Syria has taken everybody by surprise. If the situation does not stabilise, Damascus could be besieged and ISIS back on the hills above the Bekaa valley within a week, given the speed of their advance and the short distances involved.

A renewed Israeli attack on Southern Lebanon to coincide with a Salafist invasion of the Bekaa Valley would then seem inevitable, as the Israelis would obviously wish their border with their new Taliban-style Greater Syrian neighbour to be as far North as possible. It could be a race for Beirut, unless the Americans have already organised who gets it.

It is no coincidence that the attack on Syria started the day of the Lebanon/Israel ceasefire. The jihadist forces do not want to be seen to be fighting alongside Israel, even though they are fighting forces which have been relentlessly bombed by Israel, and in the case of Hezbollah are exhausted from fighting Israel.

The Times of Israel has no compunction about saying the quiet part out loud, unlike the British media:


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In fact Israeli media is giving a lot more truth about the Syrian rebel forces than British and American media just now. This is another article from the Times of Israel:

While HTS officially seceded from Al Qaeda in 2016, it remains a Salafi jihadi organization designated as a terror organization in the US, the EU and other countries, with tens of thousands of fighters.

Its sudden surge raises concerns that a potential takeover of Syria could transform it into an Islamist, Taliban-like regime – with repercussions for Israel at its south-western border. Others, however, see the offensive as a positive development for Israel and a further blow to the Iranian axis in the region.

Contrast this to the UK media, which from the Telegraph and Express to the Guardian has promoted the official narrative that not just the same organisations, but the same people responsible for mass torture and executions of non-Sunnis, including Western journalists, are now cuddly liberals.

Nowhere is this more obvious than the case of Abu Mohammad Al-Jolani, sometimes spelt Al-Julani or Al-Golani, who is now being boosted throughout western media as a moderate leader. He was the deputy leader of ISIS, and the CIA actually has a $10 million bounty on his head! Yes, that is the same CIA which is funding and equipping him and giving him air support.

Supporters of the Syrian rebels still attempt to deny that they have Israeli and US support – despite the fact that almost a decade ago there was open Congressional testimony in the USA that, to that point, over half a billion dollars had been spent on assistance to Syrian rebel forces, and the Israelis have openly been providing medical and other services to the jihadists and effective air support.

One interesting consequence of this joint NATO/Israel support for the jihadist groups in Syria is a further perversion of domestic rule of law. To take the UK as an example, under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act it is illegal to state an opinion that supports, or may lead somebody else to support, a proscribed organisation.

The abuse of this provision by British police to persecute Palestinian supporters for allegedly encouraging support for proscribed organisations Hamas and Hezbollah is notorious, with even tangential alleged references leading to arrest. Sarah Wilkinson, Richard Medhurst, Asa Winstanley, Richard Barnard and myself are all notable victims, and the persecution has been greatly intensified by Keir Starmer.

Yet Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) is also a proscribed group in the UK. But both British mainstream media and British Muslim outlets have been openly promoting and praising HTS for a week – frankly much more openly than I have ever witnessed anyone in the UK support Hamas and Hezbollah – and not a single person has been arrested or even warned by UK police.


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That in itself is the strongest of indications that western security services are fully behind the current attack on Syria.

For the record, I think it is an appalling law, and nobody should be prosecuted for expressing an opinion either way. But the politically biased application of the law is undeniable.

When the entire corporate and state media in the West puts out a unified narrative that Syrians are overjoyed to be released by HTS from the tyranny of the Assad regime – and says nothing whatsoever of the accompanying torture and execution of Shias, and destruction of Christmas decorations and icons – it ought to be obvious to everybody where this is coming from.

Yet – and this is another UK domestic repercussion – a very substantial number of Muslims in the UK support HTS and the Syrian rebels, because of the funding pumped into UK mosques from Saudi and Emirate Salafist sources. This is allied to the UK security service influence also wielded through the mosques, both by sponsorship programmes and “think tanks” benefiting approved religious leaders, and by the execrable coercive Prevent programme.

UK Muslim outlets that have been ostensibly pro-Palestinian – like Middle East Eye and 5 Pillars – enthusiastically back Israel’s Syrian allies in ensuring the destruction of resistance to the genocide of the Palestinians. Al Jazeera alternates between items detailing dreadful massacre in Palestine, and items extolling the Syrian rebels bringing Israel-allied rule to Syria.

Among the mechanisms they employ to reconcile this is a refusal to acknowledge the vital role of Syria in enabling the supply of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah. Which supply the jihadists have now cut off, to the absolute delight of Israel, and in conjunction with both Israeli and US air strikes.

In the final analysis, for many Sunni Muslims both in the Middle East and in the West, the pull seems to be stronger of sectarian hatred of the Shia and the imposition of Salafism, than preventing the ultimate destruction of the Palestinian nation.

I am not a Muslim. My Muslim friends happen to be almost entirely Sunni. I personally regard the continuing division over the leadership of the religion over a millennium ago as deeply unhelpful and a source of unnecessary continued hate.

But as a historian I do know that the western colonial powers have consciously and explicitly used the Sunni/Shia split for centuries to divide and rule. In the 1830’s, Alexander Burnes was writing reports on how to use the division in Sind between Shia rulers and Sunni populations to aid British colonial expansion.

On 12 May 1838, in his letter from Simla setting out his decision to launch the first British invasion of Afghanistan, British Governor General Lord Auckland included plans to exploit Shia/Sunni division in both Sind and Afghanistan to aid the British military attack.

The colonial powers have been doing it for centuries, Muslim communities keep falling for it, and the British and Americans are doing it right now to further their remodelling of the Middle East.

Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.

I refer to the UK because I witnessed this first hand during the election campaign in Blackburn. But the same is true all over the Muslim world. Not one Sunni Muslim-led state has lifted a single finger to prevent the genocide of the Palestinians.

Their leadership is using anti-Shia sectarianism to maintain popular support for a de facto alliance with Israel against the only groups – Iran, Houthi and Hezbollah – which actually did attempt to give the Palestinians practical support in resistance. And against the Syrian government which facilitated supply.

The unspoken but very real bargain is this. The Sunni powers will accept the wiping out of the entire Palestinian nation and formation of Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia communities in Syria and Lebanon by Israel and forces backed by NATO (including Turkey).

There are, of course, contradictions in this grand alliance. The United States’ Kurdish allies in Iraq are unlikely to be happy with Turkey’s destruction of Kurdish groups in Syria, which is what Erdoğan gains from Turkey’s very active military role in toppling Syria – in addition to extending Turkish control of oilfields.

The Iran-friendly Iraqi government will have further difficulty with reconciling US continuing occupation of swathes of its country, as they realise they are the next target.

The Lebanese army is under control of the USA, and Hezbollah must have been greatly weakened to have agreed the disastrous ceasefire with Israel. Christian fascist militias traditionally allied to Israel are increasingly visible in parts of Beirut, though whether they would be stupid enough to make common cause with jihadists from the North may be open to question. But should Syria fall entirely to jihadist rule – which may happen fast – I do not rule out Lebanon following very quickly indeed, and being integrated into a Salafist Greater Syria.

How the Palestinians of Jordan would react to this disastrous turn of events, it is hard to be sure. The British puppet Hashemite Kingdom is the designated destination for ethnically cleansed West Bank Palestinians under the Greater Israel plan.

What this all potentially amounts to is the end of pluralism in the Levant and its replacement by supremacism. An ethno-supremacist Greater Israel and a religio-supremacist Salafist Greater Syria.

Unlike many readers, I have never been a fan of the Assad regime or blind to its human rights violations. But what it did undeniably do was maintain a pluralist state where the most amazing historical religious and community traditions – including Sunni (and many Sunni do support Assad), Shia, Alaouites, descendants of the first Christians, and speakers of Aramaic, the language of Jesus – were all able to co-exist.

The same is true of Lebanon.

What we are witnessing is the destruction of that and imposition of a Saudi-style rule. All the little cultural things that indicate pluralism – from Christmas trees to language classes to winemaking to women going unveiled – have just been destroyed in Aleppo and could be destroyed from Damascus to Beirut.

I do not pretend that there are not genuine liberal democrats among the opposition to Assad. But they have negligible military significance, and the idea that they would be influential in a new government is delusion.

In Israel, which pretended to be a pluralist state, the mask is off. The Muslim call to prayer has just been banned. Arab minority members of the Knesset have been suspended for criticising Netanyahu and genocide. More walls and gates are built every day, not just in unlawfully occupied territories but in the “state of Israel” itself, to enforce apartheid.

I confess I once had the impression that Hezbollah was itself a religio-supremacist organisation; the dress and style of its leadership look theocratic. Then I came here and visited places like Tyre, which has been under Hezbollah elected local government for decades, and found that swimwear and alcohol are allowed on the beach and the veil is optional, while there are completely unmolested Christian communities there.

I will never now see Gaza, but wonder if I might have been similarly surprised by Hamas rule.

It is the United States which is promoting the cause of religious extremism and of the end, all over the Middle East, of a societal pluralism similar to Western norms. That is of course a direct consequence of the United States being allied to both the two religio-supremacist centres of Israel and Saudi Arabia.

It is the USA which is destroying pluralism, and it is Iran and its allies which defend pluralism. I would not have seen this clearly had I not come here. But once seen, it is blindingly obvious.

Beirut 6 December 2024


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https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1865489686803947912
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
Everyone has opinions (they might call them facts) but let’s keep in mind they only represent themselves.
Here is a Fact: Iran is the ONLY state that dared directly attacking Israel, all while arming the Palestinians, the Lebanese, Yemenis & Iraqis who dare fight Israel & the US occupation of the region.
Muslims worldwide are grateful to Iran & its allies for what they have sacrificed in their fight for Palestine, they have broken Israel’s invincibility myth……
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1865494074020737490
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
It’s interesting how Israel uses its extremist settlers to get away with doing things it couldn’t get away with doing as a state. The government officially distances itself from these Nazis in front of its western backers, but then lets them do whatever they want and gradually gives them everything they demand piece by piece. This allows Israel to present itself to the west as a liberal free democracy in theory while in practice having a state that’s so far to the extreme right it’s falling off the edge of the spectrum….
https://x.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1865395605884837919
Asa Winstanley @AsaWinstanley
Israeli settlers put up this billboard on the road between Ramallah to Nablus in the occupied West Bank.
It reads: “No future in Palestine” accompanied by an image of the mass expulsions “Israel” is now clearly threatening to spread to the West Bank.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 7 2024 20:39 utc | 301

How to get the US and Turkey to leave Syria.
Is this in Russia and Irans’ best interest?
Both have no interest in working with the US.
Astana is important as getting Syria, Russia and Turkey working together would be very powerful.
Russia thinks the Golan belongs to Syria.

Posted by: financial matters | Dec 7 2024 20:40 utc | 302

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:14
“It’s easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.”

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 7 2024 20:44 utc | 303

– The Russian Coordination Center in Syria:
Over 300 terrorists were eliminated and 55 of their vehicles destroyed in Syrian-Russian airstrikes in Idlib, Aleppo, and Hama during the past 24 hours.
– Governor of Homs Province:
• The countryside of the province is witnessing fighting and the Syrian army is dealing with attacks by armed terrorist organizations.
• The city is safe and there is no truth to the rumors about any armed organizations entering it.
• Service institutions are fully operational so far, and transportation is normal, whether within the city or towards the governorates.
• The false media propaganda aims to influence the spirits of the Syrians.
– A second meeting is currently taking place in Doha between the Astana countries and five Arab countries (Jordan, KSA, Egypt, Qatar and Iraq).
https://tgstat.com/channel/@TheSimurgh313

Posted by: JB | Dec 7 2024 20:54 utc | 304

The turks are masters in using huge amounts of jihadist in their proxy wars, they sent many thousands to Lybia, also to the Azerbaijan-Armenian war, and now they have sent dozens of thousands of well armed and trained uzbeks, tayiks, turkmens, etc…to deluge the Syrian front in a push that has taken the SAA, the Russians and all the rest of the Axis of Resistance unprepared (concentrated in the struggle against the regime in Tel Aviv).
Erdogan wants a kind of neo-Ottoman sphere of influence, converting Syria to a turk vassal state, and he thinks he can micro-manage the head choppers, and, as the history shows, the turks have no problem with
genocides (like the Armenian genocide in 1915 they do not recognice), so the fate of the shia, christian or any minorities is not a priority of the turk state.
But in fact the turks are a vassal state of the americans, so whatever the do they need the permission of the yanks, and all they do need to serve the purposes of the USA Deep State, for example un the case of Syria it is important for the turks to help the zionists, to give them safety guarantees and remove the iranians and Hezbollah from syria, but also to remove the russians from the Mediterranean, as a way to show to all the governments around the world that to be an ally of Russia (or China) is a very bad business and is a recipe to be deposed or even something much worse, as was the case of Gaddafi.
The thousands of iranian and hezbollah soldiers that have dead in the last 13 years in fact have been in vain, only to have Syria to be a “protector” (as Jordan and Egypt) of Occupied Palestine and a vassal of
US in the ME.
The next phase, I am affraid will be in Lebanon, sparking a civil war with the radical sunny and falagist parties fihgting against Hezbollah helped by the jihadi government in Syria and the CIA/Mossad/turks, and the next Iraq (with the revival of ISIS), with the final stop in Iran.
Also China should take all of this into consideration because it has a huge muslim population and may be one the the “international jihad” could start to operate inside their borders
Of course now the fate of the palestinian is more dark than ever, poor people, they have been abandoned by their sunny “brothers” that only think how to best serve the US empire controlled by the zionists masters, and see the shia Axis of Resistance as their “real enemy” when the real enemy is the US empire.

Posted by: Dave | Dec 7 2024 21:00 utc | 305

Aristodemos @ 277:
Vanessa Beeley is a British journalist currently based in Damascus. I understand that, many years ago (perhaps over a decade ago), Beeley sold her house in the UK to fund her trips to Syria and her reporting. I would trust her reporting on the situation in Syria more than I would trust the entire MSM news industry and the concern trolls infesting this comments thread. Beeley writes for Mint Press News and has some association with Patrick Henningsen at 21st Century Wire.
Another journalist I used to trust for her reoorting on Syria a decade ago is the Canadian Eva Bartlett but I think she is now based in Donetsk.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 7 2024 21:00 utc | 306

Re Hidari, 301. An alternate order of falling dominos – Lebanon, Syria, and then Turkey. Remember the attempted Turkish coup of 2016 wherein US/UK/EU argued “let democracy take its course.” Also, US minions at Incirik were involved. Pure speculation, but I doubt that Erdogan has forgotten that it was Putin that warned him, and advice from Russian military consultants assisted in rapidly shutting this action down. There is a reason that Russia has supported Turkish requests for arms and the 400 defense system. And why Russia, Iran and ? are carefully coordinating with Erdogan.

Posted by: abierno | Dec 7 2024 21:03 utc | 307

Thanks for posting Murray’s piece. Suggest listening also to the excellent interview with Kevork Almassian @ #1.
The greatest asset to the growth of exploding fascism remains the passive open-minded-confused inertia of the Western citizenry.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 7 2024 21:06 utc | 308

I understand that there is a lot of emotion but I have an impression that many of you have been cheering for things that are far away from your everyday lives. And its not that bad.
Syria could not show stability after the deals that Russia brokered and invested in some time ago. They tried but it didnt work out. Happens many times. Peace did not materialize. Things changed massively in Lebanon in the meantime. Russia does not need to actually be there. Nor for a matter of fact does Iran. Iran showed not yet up to the task to carry remote conflicts, no matter how well they mean (although that is in my view dubious). Russia has no motivation and frankly they are dealing themselves with a directly NATO backed invasion on their territory.
Syria is the backyard of Turkey and other locals that, if they are really civilizationally ready, will at least try to have some peace and not only profit. They are not there yet, too much conflict, so yeah. This happens.
I am with Trump on this one, although the 600k Russian casualties he mentioned is a subtle “burn” on Russia. But that is Trump. Still much better to deal with him than with closet supremacists in disguise.

Posted by: alek_a | Dec 7 2024 21:11 utc | 309

Global South has also posted Craig Murray‘s article with a lengthy comment from @Amarynth:

How the so-called resistance is falling. Craig Murray for all the good work that he has done, has had no respect from his fellow resistance journalists during his sojourn in Lebanon. In fact they want him to go home – they want him to shut up! And you know why? He has lost the plot of resistance. Pluralism? My goodness. I learned this word back in my Africa days growing up in Brit colonies, when everyone different from a colonist was called a Pluralist. Those times are over Mr Murray. Today we call it multipolarity and multinodility and anti-imperialism and that movement is growing faster than the bloody headchoppers.
Unerringly he drops back to breaking the relationship, Shia/Sunni. That is such a Brit thing! That is what they did during all their years of colonization, and that is what Murray is doing here. It is what he knows. He has not seen how this part of the Ummah worked together during Gaza and Lebanon and mended fences. That is the miracle. Not this old Brit schtick.
Now the divisions are being mined again which could be expected, and Murray jumps straight into this quagmire instead of being part of the resistance. Does he really expect the Sunni’s to become like a pre-digested mess and be all the same? How droll, and quaint, and wrong.
Perhaps he wrote this piece quoting extensively from the lying zionist media, hopeful that he would get his press credentials back from the National Union of Journalists (NUJ).
Take a good look at the photo—a clear Zelensky replay—and let me remind you that Zelensky is not the world favorite anymore and is being thrown under the bus by those who used him for their own purposes.
This is a definitive trend and will happen to Jolani as well. He will have his moment in the sun with interviews to the zionist media and the US media and he will be paid well for it.
I’ll make a few statements:
Zionist media is there to break the resistance and kill many in the process. Let’s be careful what we quote.
The slogan Assad must go was not effective. Now the slogan is Assad must go and this criminal Jolani is there to replace him. (He has had a Road to Damascus moment and is now on the right side, the side of zion – Oh what a christian message, Road to Damascus and all that. It is toxic and very excellently designed and all the christian zionists will fall for it, hook, line and sinker – let us not fall for that design!).
Al Jazeera is not media that we have to take seriously. The methods of brain washing is too good! Assume they have a different objective than news reporting when you read them.
Zionist media by default does not speak truth. If they speak more truth than the British media, it is still a stinky mess.
OK, I can continue forever but let me quote something else first, about becoming willing victims of the CIA psyops. To Mr Murray, you have been a beacon of light for many of us for many years. But now, please go home because your fellow resistance journalists do not trust you, or your message, and this article and others similar prove the point.
From Alon Mizrahi and distributed by Vanessa Beeley. Bolding is mine.
“I think we (as in ‘the anti-imperialist camp’) need to chillax a little bit with the Syria doom and gloom.
First of all, we need to remember we are drenched and drowning in Western propaganda, including in Arabic, including from authentic-looking accounts. Syria grief and despair are their goal, and they are working to achieve it nonstop. It is a big part of the strategy.
We are in a media and consciousness environment created by and for imperialism. We need to remember this.
Now I’m not claiming things are nice in any way, but what we are seeing is orderly retreat and not chaos and disintegration.
This means there is a functioning central Syrian command, and there is discipline.

Additionally, remember this: you do not occupy a country the size of Syria with 50,000 men. You can have a blitzkrieg and storm through some places, but it is a whole different thing from maintaining authority and overcoming pockets of resistance and infiltration and preparing for counter-offensives, not to mention managing daily life challenges.
Also: a city taken in 2-3 days by one side can be taken in a few days by the other side. No one has superpowers.
The perception of unstoppability and historic momentum is psychological warfare. It is manufactured by propaganda. Don’t participate in it.

I have no idea where this is going, and neither do you. The taking of cities needs to be put in perspective. This is not the Middle Ages, and this is not Ukraine, too. There is no one major accepted command for Western Islamists; they are not the Russian army.
Can Western mercenaries maintain governance and create defense? We have no idea. Is there strategic thought behind SAA’s conduct? We don’t know.
What Iran and Russia are going to do, or doing behind the scenes, we don’t know (we do know that if they don’t act in a serious way it’s going to be virtually impossible for Syria to contain this).
The intention of this attack was clearly to wash over much of Syria and overwhelm Syrian forces into mental collapse and surrender. But if this momentum stalls or gets disrupted, this becomes a whole different game.
So don’t become willing victims of CIA psyop.
Not knowing what’s about to happen, or what’s really happening, I suggest keeping some of the doom and gloom for final results, if things indeed go that way.
But don’t give in just yet. Hamas still fights Israel. No one has the luxury of despair. Not now, and not ever.”
Alon Mizrahi
Finally, after a few days only of this new war, which we call the first BRICS war, it is too early to call the end as a total loss for BRICS and the world community that wants to be free and is fighting to be born.
People need to remember that we are in a complete war west vs free. Chaos is a major strategy. ‘first we lie, then we steal, then we cheat’, and then we kill and plunder.
Don’t fall for the lie, and I don’t care who tells it. The psyops have become incredibly sophisticated and it will take all our abilities to tease out the stink.
This war is yet young, and as I said before, this war will continue by means of being stoked just like the Ukraine, and just like the operation in Georgia. Understand we are in a civilizational war – full spectrum, omni and complete, on all vectors.
Go home, Mr Murray and don’t tell me Brit Schtick. I grew up under it, and I know it the same that I know mother’s milk. To apply the word pluralism between Shia and Sunni makes my stomach revolt! You can at least call it sectarian differences and those are a fact of life. Syria is complicated. We’ve seen through the past years the people of the region gather around Assad, he walked the streets and his wife as well, welcomed by his crowds, with no danger to him. We’ve seen it, now people like Murray want to tell me that love for their leader has changed suddenly? Oh boy!
It took me years before I understood the word Pluralism as used by the colonizer Brits. It means that the christian is the good and godfearing. The rest is bad, second rate, those that call to Allah, or a different color human being, or a human being with a different idea of what it is to be human, or socialists, or anyone that does not fit into the christian mold, amalek and not human, i.e., anyone different from Brit and this methodology is taken over by US and rest of the west. So, who is the pluralist here, according to Craig?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:12 utc | 310

Posted by: Gipas | Dec 7 2024 19:14 utc | 258
Thank you for posting fuller information than in the source I have.
It would be useful if you cite your source(s) for everyone’s benefit.
Please continue to post information from reliable Syrian sources. It is vital

Posted by: JB | Dec 7 2024 21:13 utc | 311

I understand that there is a lot of emotion but I have an impression that many of you have been cheering for things that are far away from your everyday lives. And its not that bad.
Posted by: alek_a | Dec 7 2024 21:11 utc | 314
Nothing human is alien to us, Alek.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 7 2024 21:13 utc | 312

Thanks for posting Murray’s piece. Suggest listening also to the excellent interview with Kevork Almassian @ #1.
The greatest asset to the growth of exploding fascism remains the passive open-minded-confused inertia of the Western citizenry.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 7 2024 21:06 utc | 313
It was a good article. A little defeated in tone, but good overview.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 7 2024 21:15 utc | 313

Iran failed to hit back at the Zionists when they had the chance, and still fail to do so (now would be the ideal time).
Hidari | Dec 7 2024 20:28 utc | 301
This is banal – just straw man assertions, not analysis, not answering a question.
For example – what do you mean by “hit back at”? Destroy, invade? Come on…
“Fail ” means that they tried to but…. sounds like the sort of cheap journalistic style boiler plated from elsewhere sounding like clichés.
The lineal thinking which is so comfortable because … one doesn’t have to think. Try to think diealectically – there are other considerations.
“Russia is only interested in Russia, not ‘multi-polarity’, not the Global South, not no one else except Russia.”
That is beautiful nonsensical straw man argumentation.
Multipolarity means more than one centre of power and implies that other countries, like oneself, have to put their own countries first.
Imperialism is about exploiting other countries – not “win-win”.
Multipolarity helps stop that.
The global south are the victims of that exploitation, which is why the existance of Russia, China and Iran is so important – because they demonstrate independence – something which the terrorists blatantly don’t – they are totally dependent on others to supply everything they have – where are their industry, farms, infrastructure, schools, universities – society?
Rojava is more impressive…
Europe is now just a satellite of the USA.
Canada, Australia and Britain are just subjects of a monarchy within that same system of satellite states.
“The original sin of the US and Western left”
Stop using the baby terms “left” and “right” and replace them with definable adjectives and then things will become clearer.
You should know the history – you clearly don’t.
By 1914 it was already finished with in west europe.
And, of course, in the USA, it never really took root.
From 1945 it was just ersatz “socialism” and life-style anarchism.
Perhaps you should checkout the guidelines for Hollywood (i.e. all the media) dictated by the committe for unamerican activities – hmm?

Posted by: hh | Dec 7 2024 21:15 utc | 314

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Qatar, Iran, Turkey, Russia issue joint statement on Syria:
The continuation of the Syrian crisis is a dangerous development for the country and regional and international security
The Syrian crisis requires seeking a political solution that leads to stopping military operations.
We stress the cessation of military operations in preparation for launching a comprehensive political process.
The political process must preserve Syria’s unity and sovereignty
The political process must protect Syria from chaos and terrorism.

Posted by: Gipas | Dec 7 2024 21:17 utc | 315

Hidebound Dec 7 @2028
Okay, so the wisdom of an overdone Bolshie. Do you still consider yourself as being amongst the vanguard of the proletariat?
Your historical projections are hilarious. Face it, you are of the inevitable passing of an Old Guard…what with that rationalistic, academicist variegated dialects of mere materialism. That dialectical philosphism dates clear back to Rene des Cartes and updated by the Neo-Darwinists.
Spiritually inert, I would aver.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:38 utc | 305
Oh, please tell us about philosophy from the perspective of the Minnesota middle class. Spiritually inert, eh? Just say your a Christian and be done with it, you beautiful soul.
You’re out of your depth, aristo.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 7 2024 21:19 utc | 316

It doesn’t seem likely that Syria Iran Russia did not see this coming. Assuming they had intelligence of the threat, what are the options? VVP has been known to say if you know the enemy is going to attack, strike first. But there was no Causus Belli as in Urkraine (stepped up artillery attacks, troop movements, etc.) So a preemptive strike would be seen as aggression here. The offensive was well planned and executed with surprise in the short term achieved. The psych war and media blitz has been first class. Also the use of drones, EW, and jamming of Syria’s CCC systems also effective. Syria’s media response as well as Russia and Iran’s has been mostly absent. I would propose that this “quiet” is intentional. The military response appears weak, uncoordinated, confused. Behind the scenes I’d bet much is going on. Keeping it hidden is critical. No doubt there is some desertion and confusion going on with Syria’s military…the cutting off of communications will cause this. Also Syria’s soldiers are not paid well. Its reported that Assad has doubled salaries. This may be too little, too late. The need for a strategic retreat to defend critical towns abd resources is obvious with the surprise factor. It takes some days to plan and support a counterattack, and defenses. In this environment, the info war from the invading side is very fruitful, especially in destroying force motivation and civilian confidence. The Sunni Shia “divide” is being played well, along with rebranding Salfist terrorists as moderates. Is Syria and thier allies falling apart, or is there an element of Maskrova going on? We simply dont know. Truth is the first casualty in war. An info war played well pushes people into “tunnel vision” playing on fear and panic. Sit back, watch, listen. In a week, the real picture will start to develop.

Posted by: Norsk Borscht | Dec 7 2024 21:19 utc | 317

@Hidari | Dec 7 2024 20:28 utc | 301
>>One thing is certain: if Syria goes, then Lebanon goes, then Iran goes. …
Yup; Benjamin Franklin had something to say about hanging together vs hanging separately. Assad may well have legit grievances vs Russia and just as much vice versa, but the past two weeks were not the time. Seems the allies of Damascus throw in the towel rather more quickly than the allies of Kiev. Not sure though if I’m with you all the way in boosting Soviet communism. If you forego badly needed reform, replacing it with propaganda, then you may miss the signs that time is up.
At the time of the Boxer Rebellion in China, Czarist Russia was squarely in the camp of the Imperialist powers. From observed behavior during the 2015-2020 Syria intervention, others and I concluded that Russia didn’t fundamentally reject Imperialism; it’s just that if Syria was going to be balkanized, Moscow wanted its fair share. But considering itself to be a candidate member of a club which sees Russia as valid prey, a candidate colony, is a very dangerous mindset for Russia to have. Not sure that Russian elites have outgrown it for good.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 21:21 utc | 318

Here is a Fact: Iran is the ONLY state that dared directly attacking Israel, all while arming the Palestinians, the Lebanese, Yemenis & Iraqis who dare fight Israel & the US occupation of the region.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 7 2024 20:39 utc | 306
Good reminder.

Posted by: hh | Dec 7 2024 21:22 utc | 319

@315
Well put and of course I am acting as if the Syrian government has fallen, which it hasn’t (yet). Perhaps things are more complex than they seem on the surface….it ain’t over until the fat lady sings, as they say. Obviously if the Syrian Government continues then my pessimism is unwarranted….. for now.
@319 Israel struck at Iran and Iran very clearly stated that Israel would be hit in retaliation, but Iran did not retaliate.

Posted by: Hidari | Dec 7 2024 21:24 utc | 320

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:12 utc | 315
thanks..i don’t share their take at the bottom regarding pluralism…nothing is perfect.. the whole situation in syria is very porous and i think there are many good points the author makes in their post..
there is way too many posts here to follow it all.. i am opting to post very little as a consequence..

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2024 21:26 utc | 321

Posted by: abierno | Dec 7 2024 21:03 utc | 312
“An alternate order of falling dominos – Lebanon, Syria, and then Turkey. Remember the attempted Turkish coup of 2016 wherein US/UK/EU argued “let democracy take its course.” Also, US minions at Incirik were involved. Pure speculation, but I doubt that Erdogan has forgotten that it was Putin that warned him.”
Nice.

HughG | Dec 7 2024 19:18 utc | 262
“Syria will be divided into spheres of influence, although formally – within the same borders. In the latest statements of the ministers of Russia, Turkey and Iran in Doha, there was not a word about Assad at all. Only about the territorial integrity of Syria. In principle, in Syria Russia only need the coastal provinces, where their bases are. Long live the Latakia People’s Republic.”
Harsh. So the fix was in all along.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Dec 7 2024 21:27 utc | 322

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:12 utc | 315
I’m glad you posted Amarynth’s comment, because I also think this CMurray piece is wrong – on many levels.
I was somewhat surprised by what he writes, but on second thought, I should not have been.
Time is the test. I doubt his piece will pass the test.

Posted by: JB | Dec 7 2024 21:27 utc | 323

Statement from Syria:
“Until an hour ago, Homs, with all its neighborhoods, villages and all its heroic men, was steadfast… but now we are not like that, not because we are cowards, but politics has other words.
Who knows, we might return one day… We could have resisted for a year and years, but the matter was bigger than all of us and beyond our ability to understand it… Farewell to a city that killed everything beautiful that was left to us… 💔
In a little while, you will hear the biggest lie we have lived in recent days. The forces have been redeployed outside Homs”
They are blaming Russia. Yet Lavrov stated:
” Russia continues to provide military assistance to the Syrian army through its military base in Hmeimim, and is trying to do everything in its power to combat terrorists in Syria with the aim of eliminating them. Russia will continue to fight terrorist groups in Syria even if they say they are no longer terrorists.
Lavrov stressed that it is unacceptable to use terrorists to achieve geopolitical goals as is happening in Syria, explaining that “Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham” in Syria is a terrorist group, and its leader “Abu Muhammad al-Julani” is listed on the terrorist lists in Russia and the United States. Despite this, Washington gives him the opportunity to appear and speak on CNN.”
Does that sound like telling Homs to withdraw?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 7 2024 21:29 utc | 324

refinnajena Dec7@2100
Thank you so much for enlightening me and likely many other Yanks about Vanessa Beeley and her work as a journalist, right in the middle of the situation engendered by the Maidan Coup d’ etat by usual suspects such as the Talmudist dominated Department of $tate, the Agency and of course, the primary minion for the Rottenchild Crime Clan, the made-man; Little Georgie of so many $orrow$.
All the best for the clarification. No wonder that most recent Troll infesting this thread. Could be he is in the employ of MI6. Some of these people are either carrying out their masters’ orders; or are terminally deluded imperialists

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 21:30 utc | 325

Sit back, watch, listen. In a week, the real picture will start to develop.
Posted by: Norsk Borscht | Dec 7 2024 21:19 utc | 322
Yes. It all feels very scripted. I’m wondering how the script is supposed to end. Mosul 2.0?
Who exactly is supposed to govern Syria post-Assad? Wahabbi heaven there where Syria was doesn’t sound like that much of a plan for anybody.
Agree about maskirova, uncharacteristic mealy-mouth statements, time will tell what is up. Everybody is trying to be clever.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 7 2024 21:33 utc | 326

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang /dec7@2112
Thank you.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 21:38 utc | 327

hh Dec 7@2115
Fine insights and critiques of those who may be confused…or otherwise. Thanks

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 21:41 utc | 328

Posted by: JB | Dec 7 2024 21:27 utc | 328
I find Murray to be a “curatẹ’s egg”, good in parts. 100% sound on Assange, personally suffered in his attempts at exposing the corruption in the globalist Sturgeon regime, but he was way off-beam over Russia’s SMO and the history leading up to it.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:42 utc | 329

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:42 utc | 334
it is true craig didn’t read the russian smo very well… i will back you up on that..

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2024 21:47 utc | 330

It is being reported that the terrorists essentially managed to commandeer the Syrian military communications network and issue orders to retreat throwing the Syrian army into disarray as the push began. The claim is that AI generated the false orders and distributed them. I cannot verify this, but it would explain how the rapid advance managed to succeed with little initial resistance, essentially ruining Syrian command and control. Israel. Reminds of the pager bomb attack – long planned, and using an unexpected tactic to put the enemy forces in disarray.
My Syrian Christian friend from Aleppo is aghast and in disbelief. The remaining Christian community will likey flee if they are able.

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 7 2024 21:49 utc | 331

Ahenobarbus Dec7@2119
“Minnesota middle class”. Oopsie. I have long lived a life of genteel poverty, deliberate at that, not having required to fund the WarDefense Industry via being non compelled to file…or pay…Feral Income Tax since 1982. Middle Class people do not live in a back to nature homestead reality. The peace of such a life allows me to exercise a level of independence and originality of thought, along with numerous creative exercises.
Spirituality and Christianity and the other two Abrahamic mind-control mechanisms are essentially antipodal. In essence, organized religion is but ossified and petrified spirituality.
Methinks you may be an urbanite of some sort. Thus spiritual pathways may be a bit difficult in which to immerse one’s being under those circumstances.
As for depth, don’t get me started. As a wordsmith and recovering journalist and having read some thousands of books while also plumbing the intricacies of the interconenctive natural world; my perspectives are thoroughly grounded.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 21:51 utc | 332

Biden Advisor ADMITTED ‘Al Qaeda On Our Side In Syria’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NLOpfjZ5ZU

Posted by: Menz | Dec 7 2024 21:52 utc | 333

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 7 2024 21:29 utc | 329
see this post
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:12 utc | 315
I concur and this article is rubbish

Posted by: ld | Dec 7 2024 21:56 utc | 334

Evicting Russia from Syria is a proxy for evicting Russia from Ukraine. There will be many bubbleheads in the State Dept clinking their champagne glasses in the belief that the latter is possible once again.
Personally, the idea that the Russians might abandon Syria is upsetting. Quite apart from the strategic loss for the Russians there is the real effect of losing their finger in the proverbial dyke. The emerging balance of power in the region seems like the original deal mapped out between Israel and KSA has paid off, to the long-term detriment of the advancement of the human race.
A crossroads for BRICS: if they let Syria fall the ROW will doubt they truly represent a credible multipolar path. The coalition in the Sahel (for example) will be watching closely.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 7 2024 22:01 utc | 335

Where are the promised Iranian troops and Hezbollah?
Hezbollah suffered serious losses during the war with Israel in command and rank and file. Therefore, Hezbollah was only able to deploy only small forces in Homs, which is most likely its current limit for this kind of operations.
In the case of Iran, everything is more complicated: even if we leave aside the political aspects, the question of logistics arises, namely, how to ensure the transportation of troops and material and technical resources. The land corridor through Iraq is closed – Deir ez-Zor was taken by the Kurds, and the desert highway by militants. The Israeli Air
Force won’t allow an airlift to Damascus, threatening to simply shoot down the sides.
So in this situation, Iran can only wish Assad a good health, since it currently has no real opportunity to provide large-scale military support and preserve its “Shiite crescent”.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:02 utc | 336

20:20 GMT
“There is no truth” to reports of HTS fighters entering Homs, the Syrian Defense Ministry has said in a statement. According to the ministry, the situation in the city is “secure and stable,” with government forces “deployed around the city and positioned in impregnable defensive lines and reinforced with various types of weapons.”
21:17 GMT
The Syrian army has withdrawn its forces from the city of Homs and is now located near the bridge near the city of Al Qusayr, sources confirmed to RT
https://www.rt.com/news/608900-syria-damascus-live-updates/
So it took just an hour to dislodge the entire SAA from Homs from all their “secure and stable” positions?????

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 7 2024 22:03 utc | 337

Iran fired direct on Israel. That’s their sin. They are being punished. Unfortunately, millions elsewhere are being punished, too.
If Syria is flipped, Iran will nuke up. US nukes will line up across from them. Mission accomplished.
So sad.

Posted by: seer | Dec 7 2024 22:08 utc | 338

Wow lol [insanely overwrought and arrogant sentence] followed by “my perspectives are thoroughly grounded.” ?!?!
Craig Murray has jumped the shark. I think he means well but the vast majority of us just don’t get better with age.

Posted by: Rae | Dec 7 2024 22:09 utc | 339

About the Syrian tragedy. I think the most unnecessary thing now is the repetition in different formulations of the same things, sad, disturbing and instructive. And at the same time – in the conditions of a total information and cognitive war, it is important to break out of the framework of what is in its lens. Things that are too obvious to everyone often hide a professionally subjected lie that is beneficial to someone. The chance for the truth is in uncomfortable questions to generally accepted truths. Too many people have accepted truths that they can’t let go until reality smacks in the chops.
The obvious winners Turkey and Israel will in the near future be nostalgic for the good old Assad times, when nothing serious threatened them from Syria. Now they have created a new giant hotbed of a major war in the region. The Syrian adventure could economically exhaust the Turkish state, which has enough of its own problems in this area, and for Israel the emergence of new unpredictable military realities on the border could prove fatal.
Those who are brought to power in Syria today will become mortal enemies for everyone. It is only a matter of time. We know how skillfully the system has learned to mold romantic freedom fighters for its glossy magazines and screens out of corrupt thugs and bloodthirsty fanatics, but the makeup will fall off the cannibalistic mugs faster than the cameras are turned off in the studio.
Once again, the system has chosen barbarity as the driving force of history. Neoliberalism no longer has other tools, nor the time to look for new ones.
Today’s tragedy in Syria is a guarantee of new millions of refugees, the growth of religious fanaticism, terrorism and fear in countries that were recently considered safe.
The goal? Creating an atmosphere of chaos and general despair, so that the average citizen, driven mad by fear, himself democratically demands that the authorities establish a world dictatorship that will destroy the last of our rights.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:15 utc | 340

@abierno | Dec 7 2024 21:03 utc | 312
>>Pure speculation, but I doubt that Erdogan has forgotten that it was Putin that warned him
Is the “speculation” about Erdogan’s memory, or the warning itself? Never seen solid evidence for the latter. If true, then this may be a case of “No act of kindness ever goes unpunished.” When dealing with a character like Recep Tayyip you don’t need kind memories, you need leverage–his balls in your vise. With HTS&friends still on their rampage and new troublemakers seemingly jumping out of every hole in Syria (yes some of this may be psyops, but not all), right now Lavrov is Erdogan’s bitch, and Sergei knows it.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 22:16 utc | 341

If Prigozhin were alive, if the Wagner PMC existed, the militants would not have succeeded and Syria would have been saved.
Homs has been taken by the militants.
https://t.me/s/Oleg_Blokhin
It’s only a week ago that Roman Saponkov, Oleg Blokhin and Witnesses of Bayraktar were being accused by the Syrian Govt propagandists of helping the enemy. Their crime they told the truth that Syrian defence was collapsing

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:34 utc | 342

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:31 utc | 303 reports…
You can get on your favorite Syrian oriented telegram channel or scroll backwards on X to find reports like I mention.
However see this post here for a similar story: Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 7 2024 22:03 utc | 342
Where is Assad? I find it surprising that he hasn’t been on Syrian TV rallying his allies.
I see HTS has announced they will cooperate with the International Community in getting rid of Assad’s chemical weapons.
https://x.com/azelin/status/1865471215541821505 They sill have some? The IDF did bomb some ‘special weapon’ storage sites the other day. Whatever that really meant.
And somewhat similarly there are videos taken inside the some storage areas of the regimes secret files. It would be interesting to see some of them published like some of the Soviet records got published after the fall of the Soviet Union.
This is not over as the none of the rebels have been to the coastal areas.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 7 2024 22:35 utc | 343

I wonder: does anybody have an estimate of how many jihadists there are fighting in total, and how many Turks? How can they take major cities in a matter of hours? Are they scaring the Syrean army away on sight, as some reports are claiming, and how is that possible?

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 7 2024 22:36 utc | 344

@Patroklos | Dec 7 2024 22:01 utc | 340
>>Personally, the idea that the Russians might abandon Syria is upsetting.
To you, and to me as well. But amazing how many Russians, and those close to the country, start coping “What use is Syria anyway to us? As long as the Empire lets us keep Tartous, let the Syrians sink or swim.” They overlook that all of Russia’s (would-be) allies are watching. And oh, their enemies just as well: is it dangerous to betray agreements with Moscow, or is it no big deal really?

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 22:39 utc | 345

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2024 18:36 utc | 233
Well reasoned/stated.
How few years have gone by when the U.S./Israeli ISIS operation, supplied with U.S. arms and Japanese Toyota’s were on the march from the south of Syria to the gates of Baghdad.
I will be surprised if Assad is gone and Damascus falls.
Turkey? What would the U.S. do if the Turks made it all the way to the Israeli Border? Would Erdogan keep moving south, or tell the Turkish People, Israel is now his BFF?

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 7 2024 22:43 utc | 346

Let us not forget that the desire of secular leaders in the Arab world, from Lawrence on, was to escape tribal Islamism and propel a collective Arab nationalism into a modern future. The USSR supported it, the Ba’athist movement promoted it from Nassar to Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam Hussein. The Western empire saw, perhaps correctly, that miring Arabs in a backward pre-modern theocratic peasant worldview arrested that secular Arab development. Any leader or nation-state which took that as its ideological principle was slated for destruction. Syria is the last of them. Should we be surprised that the ME is being played true to form since 1919?

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 7 2024 22:43 utc | 347

It is amazing how easily Israel and USA have won. They defeated Iran, they defeated Hezbollah, they did their genocide in Gaza and defeated Syria.
I think that they cannot believe how easy it was.
The old fox Erdogan has fooled Putin. Actually Putin is very bad regarding foreign relations, he was fooled several times (Minsk I, Minsk II, Instambul agreements, and now).
Amazing times.

Posted by: salmon | Dec 7 2024 22:44 utc | 348

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 21:12 utc | 315
Thanks for reproducing that (quite lengthy) comment. To my ear, it sounds like a peck of pettifogging on a pet-peeve with the word “pluralism”. As opposed to what Craig Murray provides: reporting at the Robert Fisk level. Understanding profoundly what’s going on, for better or worse, mainly worse.
There’s quite a number of posts in here from just a few repetitive boors, longing to believe in the tooth fairy, or something — pretty much to the extent of accusing Craig Murray, and those of us who understand his understanding, of devious concern trolling. What do grown-ups do in the face of bad news, pray tell?
I’ll tell you what. Grown-ups (as opposed to octogenarian infants) learn to face the music; to inhabit reality, rather than hysterical confabulations of hot air. This is a vital survival skill for human beings in the 21st century. We’ll have plenty more bad news to deal with, without losing our nerve. Damascus looks to be falling. Deal with it.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 7 2024 22:45 utc | 349

@Rubiconned | Dec 7 2024 22:03 utc | 342

The Syrian army has withdrawn its forces from the city of Homs and is now located near the bridge near the city of Al Qusayr, sources confirmed to RT.

If I remember correctly, during the worst times in 2015, Al Qusayr was the only safe route between Damascus and the Mediterranean coast. Homs was practically surrounded by rebels.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 7 2024 22:47 utc | 350

@ Ma Laoshi – 350
Interesting point with substance but then what have the Iranians done? Letting the Syrian’s sink or swim?

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:48 utc | 351

Arch Bungle | Dec 7 2024 17:22 utc | 193 (quoting)…
*** A product conceived and put forth by the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the Mosaic Warfare concept posits that there is a benefit to being small, agile, fluid, and scalable. In the world of mosaic warfare, instead of always depending on building the ultimate fighter jet or biggest submarine or most accurate missiles, it can be just as powerful to take simpler, smaller platforms, network them together, then have them interpret the battle in their own ways that make the most of their advantages.
In this theory, enemies can be caught off guard and innovations like unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) or ground robots can become part of the fight sooner.
— BAE Systems ***
A few nuclear warheads into the Yellowstone volcanic area might cause the US mass-murderers and related puppets to reconsider their own “cleverness”.
But, unfortunately, Putin would not do that.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 7 2024 22:51 utc | 352

HTS has quite the press office. They are sending out statements right and left.
To their fighters, to the minorities under their control, to Jordan, to the UN, to the International Community.
The one to the International Community is interesting: the regime may kill its remaining political prisoners and notes the potential for destroying evidence of its crimes… Sorta seems like they may dump some of Assad’s records.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 7 2024 22:52 utc | 353

@HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:02 utc | 341
>>The Israeli Air Force won’t allow an airlift to Damascus, threatening to simply shoot down the sides.
Says it all doesn’t it. The Russian policy in Syria has been too clever by half: “We’ll save the Syrian state, but Zion will be left free to do anything they want.” But if Zion will be literally free to do as they please, they’ll just go ahead and smash up the Syrian state, with Russia mostly watching from the sidelines.
Though with a collapse this fast, we may have to face that Assad doesn’t have any more support left than Ashraf Ghani had in Afghanistan–and we know how that worked out.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 22:54 utc | 354

According to the report by Al Mayadeen, the Astana format results ended with Turkey agreeing to the cesation of hostilities in Syria and the statement by the Turks that they do not have territorial ambitions in Syria…besides of that the rest of Arab nations of the region also assisted to the meeting, plus the UN representative, and all agreed on that it was necessary to put an end to the terrorist menace in the region…
Then, it is reports on that the Lebanese army is reinforcing around the Bekaa Valley ….something they did not do when Israel attacked this Lebanese region…
Then, it is silence in the Iranian media on the Syrian events, except for the assurance that the embassy crew and services remain opne…
The, it is news on that there was no fighting at all at Homs and that the “militants” entered the city unmolested as the SAA left on orders to do so…
Then, it is the Al Julani dude trying the statesman calling for his “militants” to behave and leave the civilian population alone…
I dunno, but this has nowhere to get it from…
Could this be a trap for the terrorists to came out of their ratholes in idlib and disperse themselves into Syrian vast territory so that to be neutralized in a most rapid and effective way?

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 7 2024 22:54 utc | 355

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:48 utc | 280
The only cynical opportunists I see are the Iranians who are exploiting the various Arab factions for their own ends, a group of people they are openly dismissive of (never call an Iranian an Arab, they get quite upset). The rural/urban split is a feature in most societies, but seems to be very prevalent in ME societies and often exploited by their leaders, though in the case of Iran the IRGC complicates matters as it has transitioned from a revolutionary protector and exporter to increasingly becoming a shadow state.
Posted by: mjh | Dec 7 2024 19:56 utc | 285
Who’s going to stop them? Iraq collapsed under ISIS with equal rapidity, as did Afghanistan, and Arab countries seem uniquely incompetent at conducting conventional modern war. Whether that’s because of inflexible social structures, and accelerated development from a tribal baseline existence, by exploitation of natural oil reserves, or other factors, is moot. The armies of these countries have little to no tradition of Western warfare, which is simply an extension of those societies, and grafting the capability on can often cause problems.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 7 2024 22:55 utc | 356

@323
The correct interpretation. A lot of the alt-media have simply imposed on Putin their own crypto-revolutionary fantasies (and to a lesser extent on Xi too). Putin is not Stalin! He is not Castro either. He is a bourgeois neo-liberal and neo-conservative who is angry that he got cut out of the spoils of imperialism and angry that the Americans made it clear that they (i.e. the Americans) would never consider Russia to be an equal of the Americans.
When Putin eventually dies, the Yanks will go back to pursuing regime change in Russia via various means and they may well succeed in the end. After all, for all the ‘glorious independent Russia’ rhetoric, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin (pre-Libya) all danced to the Yankee tune: genuflecting to the Americans (and before them, the ‘West’ more generally) has a long history in Russia.
As a number of people here have pointed out, all Russia cares about is its naval base in Tartus. As long as that is protected (and given that Russia has nukes, it’s probably safe to say that it will remain untouched for a good while yet) they don’t really care who runs Syria. Neither the Russians nor the Chinese really care about the Palestinians and they only care about Iran insofar as Iran is a major oil producer (cf also Libya and for that matter Syria).
In any case, the Palestinians cannot continue to fight without a great power sponsor, and so it is possible/probable that Israel will succeed in exterminating them, as the Americans did to the native Americans, as the Australians did to the indigenous Australians etc. Israel may well end up as the hegemon, along with Saudi Arabia, of West Asia for the next 200/300 years. Or it might all fall apart tomorrow, who knows?

Posted by: Hidari | Dec 7 2024 22:55 utc | 357

From the Tucker interview you can see why Erdo is running rings around Putin and his Lavrov. They are stuck in their delusional make believe world where Erdo is their Best Friend.
https://thealtworld.com/andrew_korybko/interpreting-lavrovs-assessment-of-events-in-syria-from-his-interview-with-tucker

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 7 2024 22:58 utc | 358

@ Aleph_Null – 354
Spot on comment. There are plenty of disappointments ahead.
Too many commentors on here don’t inhabit reality. They have difficulty with anything that clashes with their own world. Sadly, that means they have difficulty in dealing with the bad news and they either double down in their thinking or accuse people of being concern trolls or hasbara trolls.
I’m not afraid to be critical and yes, I’m disgusted the way the SAA has crumpled like a cheap suit.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:59 utc | 359

@ Ma Laoshi – 359
He doesn’t have support anynore he successfully squandered it.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 23:07 utc | 360

Time to reread my article in The Duran from 2018. Some of these plans may now be put into action.

US War Plans: Kurdish land bridge to Israel? – Petri Krohn, March 19, 2018

It is claimed that the reason the U.S. needs to occupy the Al Tanf border crossing is to block the land corridor between Iran and Lebanon and thus prevent Iran from supplying Hezbollah. The real reason may be different. If pro-U.S. and pro-Israel forces managed to take control of the Syrian side of the Jordan–Syria and the Iraq–Syria borders then it would enable Israel to supply a Kurdish protectorate in eastern Syria.
The area from the rebel enclave around Daraa to Abu Kemal on the Euphrates is mainly desert. If pipelines could be built on this strip of land then Israel could steal oil from “Kurdish” oilfields and even water from the Euphrates.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 7 2024 23:08 utc | 361

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma, specialist and follower of Hebrew affairs:
-“Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar:
In the last few hours, Syrian opposition forces entered the buffer zone on the Syrian side of the border with Israel, and attacked a UN force in the area – Israel is disturbed by violations of the 1974 ceasefire agreement, which also expresses a threat to its security and the security of its settlements and citizens, with an emphasis on the Golan Heights settlements – Israel does not intervene in the internal conflict in Syria.”
-“Channel 14 correspondent:
In my estimation, Israel’s main red lines in the Syrian arena are:
1. Violation of the ceasefire line by Syrian opposition factions.
2. The arrival of pro-Iran factions into Israeli territory.
If one or more of them are crossed, it can be assumed that Israel will act offensively in this arena and not just defensively.”
Mehr
“TEHRAN, Dec. 07 (MNA) – Ali Larijani, an advisor to Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, has met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Damascus to convey the Iran’s message of support for the Syrian government.
An informed source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Press TV website on Saturday that the meeting took place in the Syrian capital on Friday.
Meanwhile, a senior Iranian legislator roundly dismissed allegations about the closure of the country’s embassy in Syria and evacuation of its personnel as well as military advisors from Damascus, stressing that the diplomats and commanders are still in the Arab country..
“We have not evacuated our advisors and embassy [staff]. They are present in Damascus,” Yaqoub Rezazadeh, a member of the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, said on Saturday. … ”
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/225337/Larijani-meets-Assad-conveys-Iran-s-support-for-Syria

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 7 2024 23:13 utc | 362

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 7 2024 22:45 utc | 354
All I will say in response is that Murray’s reporting is nowhere near the level of Robert Fisk. To treat the two as somehow equal is curious, to say the least…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 23:16 utc | 363

Why are USAF A10’s involved in this situation……..are they flying from illegal Iraqi bases or illegal Syrian bases? And who are they attacking? Iraqi troops? Iraqi militia? Iran troops?
And why has Iran not launched a massive ballistic attack on Israel in retaliation for the IDF involvement in the attack on Assad (who was the only guarantor of the various Christian communities in Syria and Lebanon)? Iran needs to step and quickly too, their loyal ally is in extremis.
Sounds like some CIA/MI6/IDF/Turk skullduggery here, the SA has fought well over the last decade. Please note the IDF attacked the SA officer core last month with more exploding radios and pagers………
RF needs to respond in kind to this time for a Hazel attack on IDF HQ…….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 7 2024 23:17 utc | 364

Repost: MoA seems to be blocking links to The Duran web site. Here is an alternate link to the article via Reddit.
Time to reread my article in The Duran from 2018. Some of these plans may now be put into action.

US War Plans: Kurdish land bridge to Israel? – Petri Krohn, March 19, 2018

It is claimed that the reason the U.S. needs to occupy the Al Tanf border crossing is to block the land corridor between Iran and Lebanon and thus prevent Iran from supplying Hezbollah. The real reason may be different. If pro-U.S. and pro-Israel forces managed to take control of the Syrian side of the Jordan–Syria and the Iraq–Syria borders then it would enable Israel to supply a Kurdish protectorate in eastern Syria.
The area from the rebel enclave around Daraa to Abu Kemal on the Euphrates is mainly desert. If pipelines could be built on this strip of land then Israel could steal oil from “Kurdish” oilfields and even water from the Euphrates.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 7 2024 23:17 utc | 365

And where is Assad? He’s not carrying a machine gun like Lukashenko? He hasn’t even addressed his people like the President of Korea. Such heads of state cannot rule for long.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 23:18 utc | 366

Has everyone been made an offer they can’t refuse?
A big deal from a dealmaker – in a matter of days, even hours – changing the political map of the world. Just a thought.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 23:23 utc | 367

@ HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:59 utc | 364
Thanks. We’re now beyond 300 posts, so now I’m allowed to think out loud about epistemology — the study of knowledge. I picture an aviary of mostly-true and mostly-false facts flitting about, with my epistemological task, should I choose to accept it, being to hold the keys to my zoo of what is known to be true; to let in the real birds, and to keep out the phantasms.
It’s never easy, on any level. The entire west wing of my fact-zoo has been closed for renovation after severe wind-damage, several times this year. From such incidents, I’ve learned that my hunches are usually not to be trusted. Before I’ll let a fact into my zoo, I’m looking for serious credentials. Wanting to believe something is more reason to distrust myself. (I acquired this discipline from reading Karl Popper, incidentally.)

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 7 2024 23:25 utc | 368

Why is RF not providing air cover for Iranian reinforcements?

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 7 2024 23:25 utc | 369

Event today created by Scott Ritter in an effort to wake people up to the imminent danger of nuclear war.
No nuclear war with Scott Ritter, Max Blumenthal, Dennis Kucinich, and more

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 7 2024 23:30 utc | 370

Murray’s reporting is nowhere near the level of Robert Fisk. To treat the two as somehow equal is curious, to say the least…
@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2024 23:16 utc | 367

Robert Fisk was probably the greatest journalist of his generation. Just slightly moderating the definition of “Robert Fisk level” to connote the half-dozen best reporters on Earth, I have no hesitation insisting that Craig Murray provides international reporting at the classic level of Robert Fisk.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 7 2024 23:31 utc | 371

@369 petri
So Syria then was an impediment to both Turkey and Israel, but for different reasons?
Israel, because Syria allowed Hezbollah’s continued fight.
Turkey, because the Kurds were being protected by Syria/Russia.
When the dust settles, the Kurds will work with Israel to maintain pressure on the Islamists.
Turkey will have better positioning to go after the Kurds full-bore.
More or less?

The last artifacts in Deir ez-Zur will be destroyed
The last animal hospital will remain
Stockades in the city Square
Shari’a, like church bells
Stomped wreaths, putrid Advent
Assad murals, bulletholes
Now posters
AK-wielding trans-midget in hijab
President Jolani welcoming Erdogan
Down a Persian rug stained blood red
Kurdish eye through a spyglass
So, Iraq once more

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 7 2024 23:31 utc | 372

@370 HG
Figure maybe he has a quiet and considered disposition ?
He was trained as opthalmologist if I remember, was not pre-prepared to lead.
It sounds like you are sentencing him though.

Posted by: Ornot | Dec 7 2024 23:35 utc | 373

Meh. I think it is far too early to be making any pronouncements as Mr. Murray has done.
Among other things: interpreting early Gaza and early Lebanon incursions/Hezbollah decapitation would have left one with the impression that Israel was on the verge of outright victory.
This was obviously false.
In Syria – what we are seeing is the early stages of a well planned operation with a well equipped force. But this force, initially estimated at 15000, is hardly sufficient to change the ultimate balance of power.
The masses of disinformation flying around – almost uniformly pushing the narrative of Syrian collapse – is also notably suspicious.
So personally, I prefer to wait and see rather than make sweeping pronouncements as Mr. Murray has done.
Among the manifold weaknesses of this analysis: would Russia accept a public humiliation of losing its only non-bordering military base?
Would Iran accept the cutoff major parts of its Axis of Resistance by meekly accepting an Assad overthrow?
What has changed with Assad supporters now vs the past: where losing meant death by jihadist beheading or worse?

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2024 23:38 utc | 374

“Turkey, because the Kurds were being protected by Syria/Russia.”
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 7 2024 23:31 utc | 376
Xenophon in his 5th century BC account, “Anabasis” he recounts the 10,000 Greek mercenaries (Xenophon took command after senior officers being killed in the Persian civil war) as they fought themselves back to mainland Greece.
They entered Kurdish territory, a great valley-whom they were then called the ‘Cardushians”-and even though the Greek mercenaries were the best in the world were bested by the Kurds and had to retreat around the Kurdish province.
Kurds have survived and prospered 3,000 years, I wouldn’t count them out.
“Not too long ago, I read The Anabasis The story itself is written by Xenophon, a soldier who was present during all of the events of an armed expedition to overthrow the Persian king. I have never read anything else like it and highly recommend it both to history buffs and people who are just in for a good read.
Anyways, without giving away too much of the story, ten thousand Greek mercenaries are suddenly leaderless, and missionless in a hostile area far from home. On their terrific struggle to get home they run into a number of peoples. One of those groups is called the Carduchians. They resided in the present day Qandil mountain range which includes parts of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. Here is what Xenophon has to say about them. (Text taken from here):
“…crossing the river, the road west led to Lydia and Ionia; and the part through the mountains facing towards the Great Bear, led, they said, to the Carduchians. They were a people, so said the prisoners, dwelling up on the hills, addicted to war, and not subject to the king; so much so that once, when a royal army one hundred and twenty thousand strong had invaded them, not a man came back, owing to the intricacies of the country.”
As it turns out, the Carduchians are what we now call the Kurds, who have largely stayed true to this historic account and continued to cause problems for those attempting to subjugate them.
I didn’t find anything similar on this subreddit so I’d like to see if any of the history buffs have anything to add to this account or other ethnic groups and peoples. Thanks for reading!”
Not too long ago, I read The Anabasis The story itself is written by Xenophon, a soldier who was present during all of the events of an armed expedition to overthrow the Persian king. I have never read anything else like it and highly recommend it both to history buffs and people who are just in for a good read.
“Anyways, without giving away too much of the story, ten thousand Greek mercenaries are suddenly leaderless, and mission less in a hostile area far from home. On their terrific struggle to get home they run into a number of peoples. One of those groups is called the Carduchians. They resided in the present day Qandil mountain range which includes parts of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. Here is what Xenophon has to say about them. (Text taken from here):
“…crossing the river, the road west led to Lydia and Ionia; and the part through the mountains facing towards the Great Bear, led, they said, to the Carduchians. They were a people, so said the prisoners, dwelling up on the hills, addicted to war, and not subject to the king; so much so that once, when a royal army one hundred and twenty thousand strong had invaded them, not a man came back, owing to the intricacies of the country.”
As it turns out, the Carduchians are what we now call the Kurds, who have largely stayed true to this historic account and continued to cause problems for those attempting to subjugate them.
I didn’t find anything similar on this subreddit so I’d like to see if any of the history buffs have anything to add to this account or other ethnic groups and peoples. Thanks for reading!”

Posted by: canuck | Dec 7 2024 23:44 utc | 375

I have seen an unconfirmed report (tweeted by Ben Aris, not exactly pro-Syrian govt) that Bashar al Assad left Syria by plane for Abu Dhabi in the UAE. Flight Radar recorded that a private plane recently left Damascus and flew to the UAE. Apparently Assad was advised to go to the UAE but I do not know who told him.
Asma al Assad (diagnosed with acute myeloid leukaemia in May 2024, possibly as a result of chemotherapy used to treat her breast cancer some 4 or 5 years ago) and their three children are said to be in Moscow.
The report says Assad “fled” but at this point in time I am not sure what to make of it.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 7 2024 23:46 utc | 376

I think it’s pretty much over by now. There is no point to speculate that SAA will actually fight. There is no will to fight anywhere which is why we see these “tactical retreats” all over the place. So it’s either desertion or there is a plan all along. There are no other objective conclusions.
Will see what how the peace will actually look in a few more days but for Russia & Iran,Syria is their Afghanistan no matter how I try to sugarcoat it. It seems that the Syrian people like Afghanistani people, prefer some radical Islamist faction ruling them than a more moderate secular faction. Maybe Assad was indeed unpopular after all.

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 7 2024 23:53 utc | 377

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 7 2024 23:53 utc | 381

Maybe Assad was indeed unpopular after all.

Or maybe wolves are just too much for sheep?

Posted by: Seer | Dec 7 2024 23:58 utc | 378

Who’s going to stop them? Iraq collapsed under ISIS with equal rapidity, as did Afghanistan, and Arab countries seem uniquely incompetent at conducting conventional modern war. Whether that’s because of inflexible social structures, and accelerated development from a tribal baseline existence, by exploitation of natural oil reserves, or other factors, is moot. The armies of these countries have little to no tradition of Western warfare, which is simply an extension of those societies, and grafting the capability on can often cause problems.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 7 2024 22:55 utc | 361
Why is it so?

Posted by: salmon | Dec 7 2024 23:59 utc | 379

Grunzt @ 349:
For sure, there has been a huge mass of disinformation coming out about Syria at present, and much of it is being generated by HTS and its allies and supporters, some of whom may even be infesting this comments forum and casting despair here. No doubt they have learned some lessons from the White Helmets and their UK instructors and sponsors.
It may very well be that what appears to be defeat and flight on the Syrian Arab Army’s part could instead be part of a strategy to conserve forces and resources, and to cede uninhabited and uninhabitable desert land to draw jihadis into a situation where they can be cauldroned and then picked off from the air. The SAA may be corrupt and its senior leaders easily bribed and led astray but HTS and Company still have to reckon with Syrian and allied airforces.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 8 2024 0:00 utc | 380

All part of the Bums’ Rush against Russia which can be explained by Russia’s incrementalist get along warfare. The usurpers in Kiev are undoubtedly quaffing mugs in the gracious space granted them to this very day by Russia themselves.
Russia could have taken command of Kiev two years ago. This is Vladimir Putin’s get along Jimmy Carter moment.
Pathetic.

Posted by: elmagnostic | Dec 8 2024 0:02 utc | 381

The Syrian Arab Army’s elite forces are the Republican Guard (minimum 25,000 personnel) and the 4th Armored Division (18,000 personnel) both exclusively manned by Alawites (the religion of the ruling al-Assad family).
These units are well armed and loyal to the government of Syria and should be more than a match for the HTS.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 0:03 utc | 382

@382,
Who are the wolves and who are the sheep in this case?

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 0:08 utc | 383

Soo… I should switch my prayers from “peace in Gaza” to “eternity in Heaven for the genocided and martyred”?

Posted by: rert | Dec 8 2024 0:09 utc | 384

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 22:39 utc | 350
Yes, good point: if the their argument until now has been “the USA/NATO is perfidious and agreement-incapable” the Russians have been, up till now, able to point to Syria as a clear example of their own bona fides. If they abandon Assad the reputational damage outweighs whatever short-term advantage exists in leaving. If the Russians leave Syria the signals are:
– we don’t have the stones to support our allies or else we don’t care
– our intelligence is not as good as the US-French-Israeli complex
– we are willing to abandon a hard-fought strategic foothold when the going gets rough
– we are willing to relinquish forever any presence in the ME and Eastern Med
– we are no different to the west when it boils down to itwe pursue only our interests like they do
If they leave Syria my own belief that Russia represented something alternative will be shaken. Naive perhaps, but globally others will agree in their thousands.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2024 0:09 utc | 385

As simplicious has stated in his article, this push by rebels appears similar to that which occurred in 2015. Saw similar pushes in Iraq and Ukraine. All were repulsed in due time assume due to logistical issues. Another plus was some of most extreme elements were eliminated.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/syrian-crisis-analysis-saa-on-verge

Posted by: Thurl | Dec 8 2024 0:10 utc | 386

aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:15 utc | 260–
Thanks for your reply. I have no doubt that the Outlaw US Empire will cease to exist; I just don’t know when that happy event will take place. And The War to Retain Empire is probably what this portion of the Big Picture will eventually be called.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 0:15 utc | 387

@HughG | Dec 7 2024 22:48 utc | 356
>>Interesting point with substance but then what have the Iranians done? Letting the Syrian’s sink or swim?
A valid question, though I’m hesitant to contribute to a counterproductive free-for-all blame game. Let’s face it, there are no good guys. Part of the reason behind the Iranian presence in Syria was to create threats to Israel, for religious and domestic-political reasons. This was an agenda which Moscow had no reason to get behind, nor was it obviously in the interests of the Syrian people; it now looks as if Tehran may have bitten off a bit more than it could chew.
What can Iran do really, when IAF and USAF together (and they work together) de facto control most of the skies that matter? Let’s face it, the (well-trained but much smaller) RuAF only is only prepared/allowed to engage targets which don’t present the slightest political risk, while the former two gleefully kill anything which moves. You want to contest that, the starting point would be to evict the US from Iraq–which happens to be Iran’s stated policy. Great! you’d think. And indeed, Iran’s own allies/proxies in Iraq apparently want nothing better than to get on with it. To which Iran replies “Muh restraint, now is not the time.” Some grim reality checks being served up here: just a couple short months ago people were fantasizing about Syria retaking Golan, and now we’re fretting whether Syria will last into 2025.
How strong is Iran really? A question which no doubt animates many minds. They set up proxy militias here and there, but have we seen an actual Iranian armored brigade take care of business? (I mean since they faced off against Saddam’s Iraq at a horrible human cost.) We’ve seen Turkish regulars beat up Kurds, and we’ve seen Turkish Leopards getting spanked by ISIS [don’t worry, they kissed and made up later :-)]. Iran, not so much.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 0:16 utc | 388

@389,
While Russia has some blame in this developing crisis, it’s not them that is the main culprit. They can’t send thousands of soldiers now to fight a foreign war in a country that does not have any fight in them left. I can hardly believe now that everything that SAA did until now was anything controlled or done at a tactical level. It doesn’t make too much sense anymore. There are not a lot of countries than can trade land for time in the world and Syria is not one of them.
Russia did now what they did in 2016-2017 when they managed to assist the SAA in their recapture of lost land. Now it’s almost clear by now that SAA is not going to do anything to stop HTS and also take any land back so wasting lives and weapons for a dying cause is counterproductive when they have a major war in Ukraine. Iran maybe could have assisted more but they probably saw that SAA is no longer supported by the population and maybe indeed the morale there in the army is the same as it probably was for the puppet afghani government before the Talibans took control.

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 0:18 utc | 389

kupkee | Dec 7 2024 22:43 utc | 351–
Thanks for your reply. Interesting scenario you sketched. There are puzzle pieces that are on the table but don’t seem to fit the current narrative picture being drawn.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2024 0:21 utc | 390

It is very sad to witness the success of US strategy as encouraged by Israel to break the Middle East into little pieces such that no one can defy US hegemony. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, And the Muslims therein fully cooperate, Ummah be damned.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 8 2024 0:23 utc | 391

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2024 0:09 utc | 389
Not naive but defeatist.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 8 2024 0:24 utc | 392

All this was made possible by Oct 7, which apparently was entirely unforeseen by Israel & galaxy brained by Hamas.

Posted by: Ludovic | Dec 8 2024 0:33 utc | 393

@397,
And Russia tries to work out WTF to do now that Syria and Iran are essentially lost to them as material allies.
Syria = Yes
Iran = No

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 8 2024 0:34 utc | 394

What a pantload.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Dec 8 2024 0:36 utc | 395

Alpha Null n’ Void@2245 Dec 7
So now you claim Grown up status as against Octogenerian infants. How quaint. Up to your customary tricks, I see. You do realize that you have thoroughly outed yourself in this thread, eh wot?
Then you go off on your “tooth fairy” fantasies like the majority of “Sitzfleisch Philosophs”. So get off your derriere and do some strenuous outdoor work. If that works for an octogenarian it should work for you as well…over time and effort.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 8 2024 0:38 utc | 396

Ed4 | Dec 7 2024 22:35 utc | 348
*** I see HTS has announced they will cooperate with the International Community in getting rid of Assad’s chemical weapons.***
Assad’s forces have none. That was internationally verified. But — then operating under its “IS” name — HTS most certainly does. Don’t forget that in the earlier war these terrorists used chemical shells and warheads to shell Syrian cities … and in false-flag operations using civilians IS/AQ/HTS had kidnapped and then murdered, to be used as props.
The so-called “White Helmet” organisation (UK created and financed) assisted in these false flags, while sharing offices and accommodation with IS, for which they propagandised.
And now it’s back to a re-run of over a decade ago — and the blatant lie by US/IS/NATO that the world’s most vicious jihadists are “moderates” (© David Cameron).

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 8 2024 0:46 utc | 397

re: Philly | Dec 8 2024 0:38 utc | 402
I don’t think its that simple. All nations act in the own self interest or else they cease to exist.
I think it is more like Putin and Lavrov still hold faith in international agreements and international law, and have yet to fully grasp that their enemies only view agreements as a means to get what they want. You can try to negotiate with Satan, but it’s not likely to work out well for you.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 8 2024 0:50 utc | 398

@404 Philly
Read this too then. Watch and see.
https://indi.ca/if-you-count-colored-people-world-war-iii-has-begun/

Posted by: Thurl | Dec 8 2024 0:50 utc | 399

@Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 7 2024 22:54 utc | 360
>>Could this be a trap for the terrorists to came out of their ratholes in idlib and disperse themselves into Syrian vast territory so that to be neutralized in a most rapid and effective way?
Yes it could–in a fantasy, make-believe, wishful-thinking sense. The statements you quote mean that nobody is reading Erdogan the riot act “Back into your Idlib hole, or else”; because they know they cannot credibly do so when Erdogan’s merry men are advancing on the ground, while they have nothing to put in their way. In order to not overtly capitulate to the Empire, they put a brave face on it and pretend that there still is an “Astana process” to speak of. Try to get the best surrender terms for your own narrow interests which you possibly can, and shield your domestic audience from the extent of the debacle. That’s all.
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@c1ue | Dec 7 2024 23:38 utc | 378
>>would Russia accept a public humiliation of losing its only non-bordering military base?
Russia accepted a drone strike on the frikkin’ Kremlin. Upon which, most playas stopped worrying what Russia would or wouldn’t accept. Russia has called so many developments “unacceptable” while doing nothing to stop them; the missile silos in Romania come to mind. Loosely uttering further Big Words now wouldn’t help; but don’t tell Dmitri Medvedev.
>>What has changed with Assad supporters now vs the past: where losing meant death by jihadist beheading or worse?
Isn’t the point that nothing has changed? SAA remembers the nightmare of a decade ago; they run away to prevent it from happening to themselves, preferring to dissolve into the civilian population–that old standard of this region. Or, if they can, even better to escape Syria altogether. No I’m not fooled that Enemy at the Gates is historical, but it had a point: belief in victory is crucial. For this or that reason (more likely for a host of reasons) it has just evaporated on the SAA side.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 8 2024 0:53 utc | 400