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December 7, 2024
Craig Murray – The End of Pluralism in the Middle East

by Craig Murray
Republished from craigmurray.org.uk

A truly seismic change in the Middle East appears to be happening very fast. At its heart is a devil’s bargain – Turkey and the Gulf States accept the annihilation of the Palestinian nation and creation of a Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia minorities of Syria and Lebanon and the imposition of Salafism across the Eastern Arab world.

This also spells the end for Lebanon and Syria’s Christian communities, as witness the tearing down of all Christmas decorations, the smashing of all alcohol and the forced imposition of the veil on women in Aleppo now.

Yesterday US Warthog air-to-ground jets attacked and severely depleted reinforcements which were, at the invitation of the Syrian government, en route to Syria from Iraq. Constant, daily Israeli airstrikes on Syria’s military infrastructure for months have been a major factor in the demoralisation and reduced capacity of the Syrian government’s Syrian Arab Army, which has simply evaporated in Aleppo and Hama.

It is very difficult to see the tide turning in Syria. The Russians now have either to massively reinforce their Syrian bases with ground troops or to evacuate them. Faced with the exigencies of Ukraine, they may do the latter, and it is reported that the Russian navy has already set sail from Tartus.

The speed of collapse of Syria has taken everybody by surprise. If the situation does not stabilise, Damascus could be besieged and ISIS back on the hills above the Bekaa valley within a week, given the speed of their advance and the short distances involved.

A renewed Israeli attack on Southern Lebanon to coincide with a Salafist invasion of the Bekaa Valley would then seem inevitable, as the Israelis would obviously wish their border with their new Taliban-style Greater Syrian neighbour to be as far North as possible. It could be a race for Beirut, unless the Americans have already organised who gets it.

It is no coincidence that the attack on Syria started the day of the Lebanon/Israel ceasefire. The jihadist forces do not want to be seen to be fighting alongside Israel, even though they are fighting forces which have been relentlessly bombed by Israel, and in the case of Hezbollah are exhausted from fighting Israel.

The Times of Israel has no compunction about saying the quiet part out loud, unlike the British media:


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In fact Israeli media is giving a lot more truth about the Syrian rebel forces than British and American media just now. This is another article from the Times of Israel:

While HTS officially seceded from Al Qaeda in 2016, it remains a Salafi jihadi organization designated as a terror organization in the US, the EU and other countries, with tens of thousands of fighters.

Its sudden surge raises concerns that a potential takeover of Syria could transform it into an Islamist, Taliban-like regime – with repercussions for Israel at its south-western border. Others, however, see the offensive as a positive development for Israel and a further blow to the Iranian axis in the region.

Contrast this to the UK media, which from the Telegraph and Express to the Guardian has promoted the official narrative that not just the same organisations, but the same people responsible for mass torture and executions of non-Sunnis, including Western journalists, are now cuddly liberals.

Nowhere is this more obvious than the case of Abu Mohammad Al-Jolani, sometimes spelt Al-Julani or Al-Golani, who is now being boosted throughout western media as a moderate leader. He was the deputy leader of ISIS, and the CIA actually has a $10 million bounty on his head! Yes, that is the same CIA which is funding and equipping him and giving him air support.

Supporters of the Syrian rebels still attempt to deny that they have Israeli and US support – despite the fact that almost a decade ago there was open Congressional testimony in the USA that, to that point, over half a billion dollars had been spent on assistance to Syrian rebel forces, and the Israelis have openly been providing medical and other services to the jihadists and effective air support.

One interesting consequence of this joint NATO/Israel support for the jihadist groups in Syria is a further perversion of domestic rule of law. To take the UK as an example, under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act it is illegal to state an opinion that supports, or may lead somebody else to support, a proscribed organisation.

The abuse of this provision by British police to persecute Palestinian supporters for allegedly encouraging support for proscribed organisations Hamas and Hezbollah is notorious, with even tangential alleged references leading to arrest. Sarah Wilkinson, Richard Medhurst, Asa Winstanley, Richard Barnard and myself are all notable victims, and the persecution has been greatly intensified by Keir Starmer.

Yet Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) is also a proscribed group in the UK. But both British mainstream media and British Muslim outlets have been openly promoting and praising HTS for a week – frankly much more openly than I have ever witnessed anyone in the UK support Hamas and Hezbollah – and not a single person has been arrested or even warned by UK police.


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That in itself is the strongest of indications that western security services are fully behind the current attack on Syria.

For the record, I think it is an appalling law, and nobody should be prosecuted for expressing an opinion either way. But the politically biased application of the law is undeniable.

When the entire corporate and state media in the West puts out a unified narrative that Syrians are overjoyed to be released by HTS from the tyranny of the Assad regime – and says nothing whatsoever of the accompanying torture and execution of Shias, and destruction of Christmas decorations and icons – it ought to be obvious to everybody where this is coming from.

Yet – and this is another UK domestic repercussion – a very substantial number of Muslims in the UK support HTS and the Syrian rebels, because of the funding pumped into UK mosques from Saudi and Emirate Salafist sources. This is allied to the UK security service influence also wielded through the mosques, both by sponsorship programmes and “think tanks” benefiting approved religious leaders, and by the execrable coercive Prevent programme.

UK Muslim outlets that have been ostensibly pro-Palestinian – like Middle East Eye and 5 Pillars – enthusiastically back Israel’s Syrian allies in ensuring the destruction of resistance to the genocide of the Palestinians. Al Jazeera alternates between items detailing dreadful massacre in Palestine, and items extolling the Syrian rebels bringing Israel-allied rule to Syria.

Among the mechanisms they employ to reconcile this is a refusal to acknowledge the vital role of Syria in enabling the supply of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah. Which supply the jihadists have now cut off, to the absolute delight of Israel, and in conjunction with both Israeli and US air strikes.

In the final analysis, for many Sunni Muslims both in the Middle East and in the West, the pull seems to be stronger of sectarian hatred of the Shia and the imposition of Salafism, than preventing the ultimate destruction of the Palestinian nation.

I am not a Muslim. My Muslim friends happen to be almost entirely Sunni. I personally regard the continuing division over the leadership of the religion over a millennium ago as deeply unhelpful and a source of unnecessary continued hate.

But as a historian I do know that the western colonial powers have consciously and explicitly used the Sunni/Shia split for centuries to divide and rule. In the 1830’s, Alexander Burnes was writing reports on how to use the division in Sind between Shia rulers and Sunni populations to aid British colonial expansion.

On 12 May 1838, in his letter from Simla setting out his decision to launch the first British invasion of Afghanistan, British Governor General Lord Auckland included plans to exploit Shia/Sunni division in both Sind and Afghanistan to aid the British military attack.

The colonial powers have been doing it for centuries, Muslim communities keep falling for it, and the British and Americans are doing it right now to further their remodelling of the Middle East.

Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.

I refer to the UK because I witnessed this first hand during the election campaign in Blackburn. But the same is true all over the Muslim world. Not one Sunni Muslim-led state has lifted a single finger to prevent the genocide of the Palestinians.

Their leadership is using anti-Shia sectarianism to maintain popular support for a de facto alliance with Israel against the only groups – Iran, Houthi and Hezbollah – which actually did attempt to give the Palestinians practical support in resistance. And against the Syrian government which facilitated supply.

The unspoken but very real bargain is this. The Sunni powers will accept the wiping out of the entire Palestinian nation and formation of Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia communities in Syria and Lebanon by Israel and forces backed by NATO (including Turkey).

There are, of course, contradictions in this grand alliance. The United States’ Kurdish allies in Iraq are unlikely to be happy with Turkey’s destruction of Kurdish groups in Syria, which is what Erdoğan gains from Turkey’s very active military role in toppling Syria – in addition to extending Turkish control of oilfields.

The Iran-friendly Iraqi government will have further difficulty with reconciling US continuing occupation of swathes of its country, as they realise they are the next target.

The Lebanese army is under control of the USA, and Hezbollah must have been greatly weakened to have agreed the disastrous ceasefire with Israel. Christian fascist militias traditionally allied to Israel are increasingly visible in parts of Beirut, though whether they would be stupid enough to make common cause with jihadists from the North may be open to question. But should Syria fall entirely to jihadist rule – which may happen fast – I do not rule out Lebanon following very quickly indeed, and being integrated into a Salafist Greater Syria.

How the Palestinians of Jordan would react to this disastrous turn of events, it is hard to be sure. The British puppet Hashemite Kingdom is the designated destination for ethnically cleansed West Bank Palestinians under the Greater Israel plan.

What this all potentially amounts to is the end of pluralism in the Levant and its replacement by supremacism. An ethno-supremacist Greater Israel and a religio-supremacist Salafist Greater Syria.

Unlike many readers, I have never been a fan of the Assad regime or blind to its human rights violations. But what it did undeniably do was maintain a pluralist state where the most amazing historical religious and community traditions – including Sunni (and many Sunni do support Assad), Shia, Alaouites, descendants of the first Christians, and speakers of Aramaic, the language of Jesus – were all able to co-exist.

The same is true of Lebanon.

What we are witnessing is the destruction of that and imposition of a Saudi-style rule. All the little cultural things that indicate pluralism – from Christmas trees to language classes to winemaking to women going unveiled – have just been destroyed in Aleppo and could be destroyed from Damascus to Beirut.

I do not pretend that there are not genuine liberal democrats among the opposition to Assad. But they have negligible military significance, and the idea that they would be influential in a new government is delusion.

In Israel, which pretended to be a pluralist state, the mask is off. The Muslim call to prayer has just been banned. Arab minority members of the Knesset have been suspended for criticising Netanyahu and genocide. More walls and gates are built every day, not just in unlawfully occupied territories but in the “state of Israel” itself, to enforce apartheid.

I confess I once had the impression that Hezbollah was itself a religio-supremacist organisation; the dress and style of its leadership look theocratic. Then I came here and visited places like Tyre, which has been under Hezbollah elected local government for decades, and found that swimwear and alcohol are allowed on the beach and the veil is optional, while there are completely unmolested Christian communities there.

I will never now see Gaza, but wonder if I might have been similarly surprised by Hamas rule.

It is the United States which is promoting the cause of religious extremism and of the end, all over the Middle East, of a societal pluralism similar to Western norms. That is of course a direct consequence of the United States being allied to both the two religio-supremacist centres of Israel and Saudi Arabia.

It is the USA which is destroying pluralism, and it is Iran and its allies which defend pluralism. I would not have seen this clearly had I not come here. But once seen, it is blindingly obvious.

Beirut 6 December 2024


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Ed4 Dec 7 @1450
Time for a confession: Are you a committed Zionist?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 17:35 utc | 201

Gnome tales from the garden.
Just gave The Oracle of Dima a listen, lots of talks…..but it does look, hmm …bleak in Syria.
There is already lots of action along the Iraq Syria border. Looking forward; the jihadi privateers will turn east and head to the border and secure it. That’ll take major pressure of Al Tanf. Once a force is amassed, with US/Apartheid State air cover it’s a short run across Iraq to the Iranian border…..tribal loyalties know no bounds outside a box of Uncle Sam’s green backs, because for now, and the foreseeable future, U$ dollar will remain everyone’s favourite form of exchange internationally.
Cheers M
…….as Karl said earlier, hindsight is great…..but it’s not like these events have never happened, in similar fashion, in other places, one should always be “on guard”, not sleeping on laurels…..considering what’s at stake. Russia/Syria/Iraq/Hezbollah/Hamas had no one in country, keeping tabs on say, a nest of vipers, shepherded by scorpions…..that never crossed anyone’s mind?…..well, as they say in Manhattan……oy Vey!

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 7 2024 17:37 utc | 202

“Ed4 Dec 7 @1450
Time for a confession: Are you a committed Zionist?”
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 17:35 utc | 202
I can’t answer that; but I will confirm that Ed4 is an asshole.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 7 2024 17:43 utc | 203

“Unlike many readers, I have never been a fan of the Assad regime or blind to its human rights violations. But what it did undeniably do was maintain a pluralist state where the most amazing historical religious and community traditions – including Sunni (and many Sunni do support Assad), Shia, Alaouites, descendants of the first Christians, and speakers of Aramaic, the language of Jesus – were all able to co-exist.” It may be useful to put this in general principles? A national secular state is more progressive than an ethnic/religious state. (Ethnicity and religion are overlapping realities, conceptually distinct but in practice a continuum.) As such no foe of Assad (as this was personalized) was ever a consistent bourgeois democrat, regardless of what they imagined in a mirror. Trumpers of course are equally committed to Christian nationalism, a key component of their movement. It is entirely unclear if any Trumpers have any problem with HTS, no more than they have with the Zionist version. This is also a bipartisan commitment, to be sure, which is why Biden et al. have just as wholehearted a commitment to the Zionist enterprise as Trump.
My belief still is that, just as the US bombed Afghanistan with bales of money to drive out the Taliban, simple old fashioned bribery has played a huge part in this collapse. The first meteoric rise of a salafist entity, Islamic State, is being recapitulated, with the significant difference the US itself has not effectively undone the Syrian national secular state.
Hybrid WWIII is already underway, has been underway for some considerable time. One may argue that it began when Yeltsin bombarded the Russian parliament, or one may pick the assault on Serbia, or the annihilation of Libya, or the invasion of Afghanistan? Maybe the direct confrontation for effective redivision of the world can be cautiously dated to Maidan 2014, which began the war on Russia. If you insist on big armies as defining criteria it began with the first Iraq war. (The wars in central Africa, starting with Kagame’s invasion of Rwanda should be considered if one overlooks how none of Africa has ever truly escaped anything but formal colonial status?) Imperialism is a real world phenomenon, not just despised Maoist rhetoric. I hope the ultimate targets remember this.
As to the Trumper trash announcing this is just Biden, neither Erdogan nor Netanyahu nor Pezeshkian nor Putin nor even the various ethnoreligious cantons of so-called Iraq are taking their cues from lame-duck Biden.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 7 2024 17:43 utc | 204

Observer Dec 7@1601
Ambulatory example of terminal confusion due to impositional input of data.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 17:48 utc | 205

They missed, for whatever reason, and now President Trump has all the reason he needs to go after them jointly and severally. All of his supporters understand that.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Dec 7 2024 15:58 utc | 147
I’ll bet you right now that Trump goes after nobody meaningful and that he triples down on his loving embrace of the genocidal Zionists. Up to and including a broad ME/SWA war.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 7 2024 17:48 utc | 206

Jack Mendacious just won his first, “The Most Retarded Post I Have Read today”.
“His [Trump’s ear wound from shot] “2cm hole” in the ear was just gone, vanished, without a scar in two days. Fucking get a grip man.”
Posted by: Jack Mendacious | Dec 7 2024 16:49 utc | 176

Posted by: canuck | Dec 7 2024 17:49 utc | 207

aristodemos@201……anyone with a box of ammo and a basic understanding of what an AK-47 is for, and how it is used……is a highly trained operative, toss in fanaticism and blood lust…..what could go wrong?
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 7 2024 17:50 utc | 208

https://lenta.ru/news/2024/12/07/siriyskiy-pravitelstvennyy-samolet-vyletel-iz-damaska/
A Syrian government plane has been spotted in Iraqi airspace despite government claims that Bashar al-Assad is in Damascus,

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 17:51 utc | 209

Reports coming in of popular uprising against the Assad regime in suburbs of Damascus. Folks seizing government facilities. 2000 SAA troops have fled to western Iraq. No sign of Assad.
The Hamas attack of October 7 is proving to have led the Axis of Resistance into a series of catastrophic defeats.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 7 2024 17:55 utc | 210

HughG Dec 7@1629
Tell us, oh wise leader: Do you allow a boobtoob in your home? Are you a devout watcher of evening Boobtoob Noose?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 17:58 utc | 211

Sean the Leper Dec 7 @1632
When you go phishing, do you cast with the reel or do you prefer trolling?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:01 utc | 212

@181 aristodemos
I don’t know why I feel so inclined to reply to all your postings. You are a fine writer, maybe that’s why.
And most of the time, I completely concur with your sentiments.

All this garbage about the great society. About social security. The New Deal. Complete and utter failure. The Federal Government making the niggers democrats for life. Really, FDR and co. needed the war to lift America out of the Great Depression. And the City of London needed a Golem for its task of thwarting the German menace.
(Der Spiegel’s interview with Heidegger, “Only a God can save us”:

SPIEGEL: Let us return to where we began. Would it not be thinkable that we see National Socialism, on the one hand, as the actualization of this “planetary encounter” (read: modern man and technology) and, on the other, as the last, worst, strongest and, at the same time, weakest protest against this encounter between “planetary technicity” and modern man? Obviously you have in your person a [certain] polarity that brings it about that many by-products of your activity are to be explained properly only by the fact that different sides of your nature (that do not touch your philosophical core) cling to many things that as a philosopher you know have no firm base — for example, concepts such as “home,” “rootedness” and the like. How do these things go together: planetary technicity and home?
Heidegger: I do not agree. It seems to me that you take technicity in much too absolute [a sense]. I see the situation of man in the world of planetary technicity not as an inextricable and inescapable destiny, but I see the task of thought precisely in this, that within its own limits it helps man as such achieve a satisfactory relationship to the essence of technicity. National Socialism did indeed go in this direction. Those people, however, were far too poorly equipped for thought to arrive at a really explicit relationship to what is happening today and has been underway for the past 300 years.

There are many here that still believe if we can just go back to FDR. That maybe Trump will be FDR-redux.
We inherited this from FDR. He (meaning in the Biden-sense, those that surround him in the darkness) bought us and made us into the ostriches we are today.
Please no more talk about FDR. And don’t even get me started about his wife that gave birth to the domestic-side, bleeding-heart, third-wave feminist that rules the roost at home and abides in the lifting up of all fake-marginalized sub-cultures in the west, to keep us divided from organizing and going after TPTB.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 7 2024 18:01 utc | 213

Null_n’ Void Dec 7 @1700
And you actually believe accounts on the MI5 controlled “Telegraph”?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:03 utc | 214

https://lenta.ru/news/2024/12/07/siriyskiy-pravitelstvennyy-samolet-vyletel-iz-damaska/
HughG | Dec 7 2024 17:51 utc | 210
The owner of Lenta.ru
Aleksandr Leonidovich Mamut – Wikipedia

Posted by: hh | Dec 7 2024 18:05 utc | 215

Posted by: bored | Dec 7 2024 12:43 utc | 67
Correction, first America, that’s why so many leaders, on both sides of the ideological divide, have had their cages so badly rattled. I kept on telling posters here that counting out the US prematurely was a mistake, the world has been governed by the Obama doctrine for 12 years, with a brief respite which was effectively sabotaged by the self-same agents, a period of hay-making, for many lower-tier countries, followed that now is effectively over.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 7 2024 18:10 utc | 216

To review the team moving against Syria: Israel, US, ISIS and the front face – Al Qaeda, rebranded as HTS, with al-Julani speaking on CNN news representing their actions as a “popular” uprising. Explains why all local actors are superbly equipped. Embedded US/UK/IS actors?
Also virtually no reporting on SAA/Russian air force actions, SAA victories. Obviously, if al julani is being hyped by the mainstream media, the levers suppressing “misinformation” or “disinformation” are working overtime. The essence of HTS is still al Qaeda and they have not changed their violent tactics.

Posted by: abierno | Dec 7 2024 18:10 utc | 217

@ Zargo 211
The Axis of Resistance has always been overrated.
Nobody in the region likes Iran. Some more, some less, but nobody likes it. Iran has no allies. None. And its opponents and outright enemies are everyone else, from Egypt to Pakistan.
Russia and Iran have never been allies and never will be. They will be trading partners (probably someday, until something is too noticeable). They will be situational fellow travelers. From time to time. But the Russians will never sit at the controls of the Iranian S-300 air defense systems. Iran is not Vietnam with pilot Lee Si Tsin or Egypt of 1967.
The Iranian army is not combat-ready. Not at all. In the event of a real large-scale war with Turkey, the Turks will take the Persians apart. The Turks know how to fight. Well, by regional standards. The Persians don’t. Those who once knew how during the Iran-Iraq war have already grown old, and they bequeathed to their children and grandchildren that war is bad, fighting is bad, serving in the army is for losers.
The IRGC with its missiles and drones is, of course, good. But the infantry wins wars.
The Iranian Air Force is, a Mickey Mouse Air Force. And no two squadrons of Su-35s will change that. Not even ten squadrons will change that. Because the Air Force, like everything else, is not about planes. It is about people and their organization.
And against this background, the Persians manage to regularly and constantly fight with Azerbaijan (despite the fact that there are more Azerbaijanis living in Iran than in Azerbaijan itself) and kiss the Armenians.
Well, last but not least. Iran is torn apart by internal contradictions and conflicts. On all vectors: political, national,
economics.
Not for the first time the Iranian’s quietly, like mice under a broom. They would trade their Persian carpets and saffron. And not interfere in deciding the fate of the Middle East. They would be safer.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:13 utc | 218

William Gruff Dec7@1723
Incisive insights we should bear in mind. The Empire of Evil is crumbling from within. Indebtedness on both public and private vectors will ultimately metastasize to the point where the Weimar regime in 1923 Germany had inflated their currency level that people required wheelbarrows laded with Billion Mark notes to trade with the baker to bring home a loaf of bread.
Collapse of the Imperial regime, centered in City of London, various sites in Switzerland and on Wall $treet…is inevitable. Thus, we can view the Headchopper mercenaries invasion of Syria as a Hail Mary pass…one last balls to the walls effort before the breakdown.
Much of the working class in the Collective Wa$te has caught onto the game, as they must work harder and longer in order to provide for their needs. The resentment swells and the anger simmers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:14 utc | 219

Sheesh, even RT now reports Jihadis are in Damascus:
https://www.rt.com/news/608894-terrorists-reach-damascus-assad/
This is a Tet Offensive on steroids and captagon with a side serving of halal whoopass. Sleeper cells all over the country popping up in the rear according to the excellent recap videos from History Legends i linked above.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 7 2024 18:16 utc | 220

As of this moment Russia is still saying that they aren’t leaving Syria. Russia has a lot of credibility with me. They also have the ability to make it happen.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Dec 7 2024 18:17 utc | 221

Sean the Leper Dec 7@1750
“What could go wrong” for the headchoppers with their Ak’s?
Logistics.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:21 utc | 222

Zargo Cargo Dec 7 @1755
A majority of regular posters fully understand that you are naught but a Zionist $tooge. How do you plead?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:24 utc | 223

“Sleeper cells”
Franco’s Fifth Column

Posted by: hh | Dec 7 2024 18:24 utc | 224

As of this moment Russia is still saying that they aren’t leaving Syria. Russia has a lot of credibility with me. They also have the ability to make it happen.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Dec 7 2024 18:17 utc | 222
There are rumours in the net, that Russia will focus on the Alawite heartland. Their naval base is in Tartus. What do you mean with “They also have the ability to make it happen.”? Turn the clock back in Syria? Probably very unlikely.

Posted by: NoName | Dec 7 2024 18:28 utc | 225

@HughG | Dec 7 2024 17:27 utc | 198
>>Why Assad flushed the fruits of triumph down the toilet is one for the historians.
If the truth is as you write, then you should be able to speak it of course. Though I’d have preferred it if someone had enlightened me before this month. Still, this has all the elements of a free-for-all blame game between Syria and Russia, and in fact sub-factions in these and other countries. If that’s where we are right now, then the writing is on the wall.
>>The Russian completed their task with honour
No they didn’t: I’m quite willing to believe that Russian airmen, spetsnaz, and various support staff have fought with skill and then some. But “their task” included the elimination of the takfiris as a fighting force. One may argue why this hasn’t happened, and I guess many of the soldiers themselves are frustrated that they weren’t allowed to. But the fact remains that the task was not completed–as we see now. Paper this over, and the same mistake will be repeated in Ukraine.
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@William Gruff | Dec 7 2024 17:23 utc | 194
>>Unfortunately, the concern trolls have a point.
Then why still the name-calling? Whatever makes you feel good of course.
>>If the Empire succeeds in taking down Syria, then that confidence will be gone. This is more than a stepping stone towards Iran.
Bingo. People say “But the Empire is just sowing chaos, without any strategy.” But if you want to make an example out of Syria for leaving the plantation, then the chaos is a strategy of sorts.
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@Jack M | Dec 7 2024 17:26 utc | 197
>>Taking loving steps together with the country that just stabbed you in the back. Taking steps to ensure that calls are heard!
Yeah consent to be a diplomat, and some days you’ll be a bit of a shit-eater. But what else can good ol’ Sergei do–spout tough talk which his boss is unwilling to back up with a brigade or two? His marching orders were no doubt to shake hands in Doha and make the best of it. Deliver a stirring Hollywood speech which moves everyone to their core–yeah good luck with that if it’s Erdogan across the table.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 18:28 utc | 226

Nemisis Calling Dec 7@1801
Eleanor’s G.F. would call you a patriarchal fascist for casting doubt regarding her enamorata.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:28 utc | 227

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Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:21 utc | 223
LOL logistics.
Retreating SAA didnt even blow up their own caches, vehicles and equipment, many fled without a fight. There are videos of SAA getting mowed down by their own vehicles driven by HTS, poor guys didn’t have a clue. I wouldn’t be surprised if HTS reach Damascus with more weapons and vehicles than they left Idlib with, and considering there no one left to fight, i doubt logistics will be an issue for them.
Worst case, Turkey, IDF and USAF own the skies and can just air drop anything they need. It’s clear Russia is not even trying to talk tough, let alone challenge a Western plane after they have been allowed to freely to bomb Syria for over a decade. Now the world sees the fruits of it.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 7 2024 18:31 utc | 228

@Posted by: observer | Dec 7 2024 16:01 utc | 151
I got to at least for a moment suspect that all those so well feed masked Hamas militants who appeared to so familiarly get along so well with Israeli hostages were indeed masked Israelis…
Taking all the big picture along, yes, today it looks like Sinwar could have facilitated the demise of the Palestinian people and the end of Middle East relative freedom of thought and the end of seamingly remaining democracies in the Middle East on behalf of the Middle East totalitarian monarchies were Hamas leadership has its seat and which are allies of the US…
Or that, or Sinwar concluded the Empire was at its weakest moment to try it as if there was no tomorrow…who knows…
As one clearly pessimist Spanish analyst uses to say, “it is not victory which justifies us, but the fight proper”, since, after all, everything is lost for our country….
It is possible that the leadership of Hamas knew from their Qatary benefactors the plans for the Middle East, and that certain sector of Hamas decide to try it and die in the intent instead of sucumbing as slaves as some in Syria seem to are doing…
IMO, it is better to die fighting for you life and country and what is worth, like he did Philippov, the pilot…than conforming to this fascist rule “the West” is imposing on us everywhere…
As he thinks now US journalist Cesar Vidal, the bombing of the Beirut Port and the following seizing of the Lebanese banking system was the preparation for the current invasion and take over of the Levant….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 7 2024 18:31 utc | 229

The Orange one has spoken.
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1865434273953509462

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:32 utc | 230

re: guest from franconia | Dec 7 2024 16:51 utc | 177
who quotes Colonel Cassad as saying:
At the same time, Russia risks losing its bases in Latakia (which will affect Russia’s positions in the Middle East and its operations in Africa, which also relied on Khmeimim),and Iran is actually on the verge of losing its land corridor (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon), which was Iran’s most important conquest in the Syrian war. All this will seriously change the balance in the Middle East.
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Russia has suffered a major strategic defeat in Syria. This is in part the result of the continuing belief in the Kremlin that restraint is the best policy because negotiations are still possible with the neocons and neolibs in the West.
Syria was not allowed to use Russian air defense systems against Israel. US bases in Syria were allowed to remain there despite their role in supplying oil to Israel via Turkey and training terrorists. Iran was pressured to use restraint and not respond with a massive strike against Israel in its response to endless Israeli aggression. Russia did nothing to intervene against the US-Israeli genocide against the Palestinians, which will now continue unabated. The Astana Agreements, overseen by Russia, eventually resulted in the buildup of hostile US-trained extremists in Idlib. Reports are that Russia has removed its naval forces from Tartus.

Key statements by Russian FM Sergey Lavrov at the Doha Forum on Global Cooperation:
▪️Russia will take steps together with Turkiye and Iran to ensure that the call for de-escalation in Syria is heard.
Taking loving steps together with the country that just stabbed you in the back. Taking steps to ensure that calls are heard! Wow. That’s a lot! Sounds similar to their taking steps to ensure that their faint mumbling and cursory handwringing are heard in Gaza by the people getting tortured to death every day.
Posted by: Jack M | Dec 7 2024 17:26 utc | 197

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 7 2024 18:33 utc | 231

A large mass of Chicken Little’s and the usual troll cadre are blind to the Big Picture which has the declining Outlaw US Empire trying anything to regain the Primacy it’s lost forever. When the Zionists began bombing Syrian targets it was clear something on the ground would happen in tandem, and we’ve seen what that is. The war to fully liberate Syria that ought to have concluded by 2021 will now end with more liberations than the Empire imagined and an even bigger defeat as its West Asian position will be lost forever. The war has just begun–again–and will escalate.
I haven’t hidden my animus for Erdogan and the Turks in this event. What’s being said behind closed doors in Moscow, Tehran and Beijing about his actions is unknown. IMO, the diplomatic show at Doha was just that, a show. How the Global Majority sees Erdogan is probably similar to my great animus beginning with all his bluster about supporting Palestine while not so secretly providing strategic support for the Zionists that’s just as critical as the bombs provided by the Outlaw US Empire. Yes, I count him and his government as complicit in the Genocide.
Yes, the situation is very ugly and will remain ugly until 2025 begins. And there’s more to the Big Picture as Lukashenko described to the media after the Union State Supreme Council met in Minsk yesterday–NATO on Belarus’s northern borders. The declining Empire will do whatever it can to try and staunch its decline. I expect more to be done prior to Trump’s arrival, although we’ve seen several failures already–South Korea and Georgia, while very little progress is being made with Armenia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2024 18:36 utc | 232

Bit of an Aside: It is Saturday & Champions Cup Rugby – on the try-line as distinct from virtually on the front-line.
Very humbly suggest that the lesson for the Russian Federation from recent events in West Asia is that “unfinished business” tends to fester and come back with a venomous and potentially fatal bite.
Very strongly suggest that it is time for a Defense Alliance between the Russian Federation and The Islamic Republic of Iran. All-in in West Asia.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 7 2024 18:37 utc | 233

@Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:32 utc | 231
The US is heavily involved in Syria as it remains “getting the oil”…and the grain from there…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 7 2024 18:38 utc | 234

Iran’s behaviour in Syria seriously confirms the hypothesis that the helicopter crash with the country’s political leadership in May of this year with hasty official conclusions about an “accident” was not accidental. After the mass explosions of Hezbollah pagers in Lebanon, it is even more logical to think about this version, although modern Western intelligence agencies have an infinite number of modern technological options.
The understandable desire to avoid the wars imposed on Iran quickly turned into an open and rapid surrender of all
positions of the country from Lebanon to Syria.
To this we can add the postponement of the signing by Iran of the already agreed Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between Iran and Russia. In these tragic days for Syria, Iranian television replaced the term “terrorists” in relation to anti-government groups in Syria with the definition of “armed opposition”.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:40 utc | 235

Previously I had thought he Western support for the Salafacist caliphate state was a matter simply usaing them as a proxy soldiers. I am wondering now if west intends to support the Salafacists in their entirity as prefered acceptable Islamic institutions. After all HTS is now busy deciding what its personal pronouns are to be just like Azov so they are obviously democratic organizations. Whether Azov or HTS all thats required for woke membership is some superficial flashing of gang signs. What we may be witnessing is a Syria as a functioning caliphate completely supported by the west as moderate rebels. A caliphate state of course dictates what beliefs should be and personal behavior. AIt seems that his been realized that this not really so contrary to the woke security state. What is enforced is not really important just that a iron fist rules. After all if we are told that HTS and Azov are the good guys representing woke values who are we to question authority? Their inclusion is a simple exercise in diversity and they are handy to have around.
Whether Islam or Christianity its all good as long as it has thestamp of approval and constitutes a security state. What is enforced is not important. It doesnt have to make sense. If fact things that do not make sense are deliberately presented to create understanding there is no choice what to believe you are told what to believe and that it doesnt make sense or is contradictory is not the important part. the important part is that free will and self determination is extinguished. there are no contradictions because we are told there are no contradictions. HTS will slaughter the ethnic and religious populations they choose but will dance to YMCA so its OK.
Assad is a dictator. You can not express opposition to him without consequences. Syrias society itself was very diverse. All religious and cultural traditions were allowed and honored. Freedom of expression was allowed in lifestyle just not politically. A secular society where communities practice self determination and hold the beliefs of their choosing
How societie chooses freedom for themselves is a a function of self determination. Self determination of communities is the true metric for freedom. That state caliphate institutions are being created is really not surprising. Caliphates get right down to the nitty gritty. Beleve this do this or the beheading knife leaves the sheath.
The specific belief of the security state is not important. What is important is that exceptionalism is propagated. Exceptionalism allows the security state particularly at the emotional level where condemnation and violence is created at will by the security state. Caliphate security states are compatible with woke security states. We are told they are moderate rebels. Who are we to question?
If Syria falls it will be a great loss. Assad? Who cares. Regimes come and go. Who cares about politics. Who cares about poloticians. Syria is a unique place with unique traditions. A unique self expression. Thats why Syria was targeted. Uniqueness and self expression is contrary to the security state. How it got along doesnt matter. It got along just fine. It worked. That was intolerable. Who cares what brand the eraser bears? Syria’s couture and traditions are erased. Cancelled. Its a great loss. Ancient and noble culture erased.
Who dares use this eraser! Who dares! What right have you!

Posted by: Fred | Dec 7 2024 18:41 utc | 236

Much despair in Craig Murray’s piece.
Iran still owes the entity a whooping response.
How will that turn the tide is still unknown.
Don’t despair. The end note has not been written yet.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 7 2024 18:42 utc | 237

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 7 2024 17:48 utc | 207
“I’ll bet you right now that Trump goes after nobody meaningful …..”
Wrong. He already has.
Care to guess who would be president elect today if Trump had been assassinated? Think he hasn’t thought about that?
Which, by the way, is what the Butler project was all about.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Dec 7 2024 18:42 utc | 238

Syria sits in the way of pipelines from the middle east to Turkey which can then get a lot of income transiting it to Europe. This is why the whole middle east has been exploded from Bush sr onwards.

Posted by: alek_a | Dec 7 2024 18:44 utc | 239

HugeGoat Dec7@1813
“Quelle Naivite'” When one posts with limited understanding/comprehension of geopolitical realism and the shadowy figures calling the shots for the govmints of the Collective Wa$te…limited understanding becomes an undertow of confusion. Case in point: Your opener: “Nobody in the region likes Iran”. Did you actually give that pronunciamento any thought?
The region you describe are the states and statelets on the down side of the PERSIAN Gulf. Those countries are dictatorships and through their internal secret police thugs; are able to maintain their blood-stained thrones. So that “nobody” you claim is but a tiny, but powerful ruling dictators…nothing more and nothing less.
The Azeris in Azerbaijan are Neo-Stalinist and Turkic shitheads…feasting on oil revenues accumulated by $hekels by the boatload through their employment of “Sultan” Erdogan’s transshipment of those resources to Haifa. Russia and Iran need to clean their clocks and overthrow their greedy regime…bringing in a new government, pledged to maintain the peace with Armenia.
The current dictator of Armenia is an enemy of humanity and requires removal as well. Armenia was the first ever land to embrace an Orthodox and Jesusite from of Christianity. They suffered faaaar more than the targets of the so-called WWII genocide in terms of the proportion of their populations. Who was it that were called the Young Turks who engineered the genocide of millions of Armenians?
Do some research and find out for yourself. In fact, if you are basically an honest individual who possesses some level of self-analysis…you would do a whole lot of research…preferably eschewing all Main$cream sources…owned by the usual suspects.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:45 utc | 240

@Don Firineach 234
Iran has postponed signing the already agreed Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between Iran and Russia. I don’t think they have any intention of signing it.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:46 utc | 241

NoName Dec 7 @1828
Does No Name indicate no brain? The spreading of “rumors” as you have done, usually indicates negative ju-ju.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:49 utc | 242

I see a Chicken Little was the first to respond as I assumed. Big Picture events are connected, thus the importance of knowing why the South Korean gambit failed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2024 18:51 utc | 243

It’s not Erdogan and the Turks, it’s Erdogan and his ruling cabal!
This has as much to do with most Turks as the Iraq War or Palestinian Genocide has to do with most Americans. Don’t be confused with the will of the common people and the criminal actions of their politicians who receive enormous profit for serving the interests of existing global power structures. With the exception of the Settler Colonialists in Israel, there is never a benefit to the citizens who only pay the cost for the wars of their rulers with their children or finance it through paying taxes on their limited salaries. Most of the world lives in some form of dictatorship either overtly or covertly.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 7 2024 18:52 utc | 244

MaMah Dec7@1828
Why are you repeatedly such a negative Nelly? Are you a fan-girl of the Evil Empire?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:52 utc | 245

One prediction I think is certain: Syria will be even more of a broken mess of enclaves than it is. Similar to Libya. For Russia, can they set up lines and borders around Tartus/ Latakia in a stable fashion? They can fend off calls to leave by emphasizing human rights with the head choppers in charge elsewhere and say they’ll give it back in negotiations (someday). And maybe the new terrorists will just take lease payments and not complain. Russia could actually come out ahead by not wasting any more resources on Assad.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 7 2024 18:53 utc | 246

Yakoff RubyConman Dec 7 @1831
Why do you always side with the Evil Empire…the enemies of humanity. Who cuts your paycheck? Are they the same folks who slipped Jack Ruby into the basement of the Dallas Police department when the designated patsy was murdered by that Zionist gangster?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:55 utc | 247

I’ll bet you right now that Trump goes after nobody meaningful and that he triples down on his loving embrace of the genocidal Zionists. Up to and including a broad ME/SWA war.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 7 2024 17:48 utc | 207
You do remember that SecDef Mattis resigned over President Trump refusing to start a much smaller war, yes? He has considerably more leeway to act in America than in any of the past eight years, and I believe he’ll take that opportunity. That might benefit Israel, but let’s remember that American Jews are melting down more fiercely than any other American minority right now, excepting maybe transgendered Mexican escorts. Why do you suppose that is?

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Dec 7 2024 18:59 utc | 248

New
statement issued by the General Command of the Syrian Army and Armed Forces:
• Our people have been facing, for several days, especially since this morning, a systematic media and terrorist war aimed at undermining the security of the nation and its citizens, spreading chaos and fear, in line with an aggressive agenda.
• The media platforms affiliated with the terrorists have not ceased spreading misleading videos and false information about the events taking place across Syrian territory.
• Our valiant army continues to carry out high-intensity, targeted operations against terrorist groups in the directions of the rural areas of Hama, Homs, and northern Daraa, inflicting heavy losses on the terrorists, with hundreds killed and wounded, as well as the destruction of dozens of vehicles, equipment, and numerous headquarters, warehouses, weapons, and ammunition.
Syrian Interior Minister: There is a very strong security cordon on the outskirts of Damascus, and no one can break it.
Head of the #دوما City Council in the Damascus countryside, Hisham Al-Mama, to #شام_إف_إم :
There is no truth to what is being circulated about an evacuation operation in Douma, and everything that is being published by some media outlets is pure lies.
The situation in Douma is normal, commercial activities are still operating, and there is a great demand for purchasing food.
sources:https://tgstat.com/channel/@VanessaBeeley and https://tgstat.com/channel/@TheSimurgh313
FYI:
UN Security Council Resolution 2254, adopted on December 18, 2015, is a key framework for the peace process in Syria. It outlines a roadmap for ending the Syrian Civil War, calling for a ceasefire, the initiation of political talks, and a transition to a new, inclusive government in Syria. The resolution emphasizes:
1. A political transition: It calls for the establishment of a “credible, inclusive, non-sectarian” government in Syria, which would be determined by the Syrian people through free and fair elections.
2. Ceasefire and humanitarian access: The resolution calls for an immediate cessation of hostilities and better access for humanitarian aid to affected populations.
3. Free and fair elections: The resolution stresses that elections should be held under the supervision of the UN and in compliance with international standards, with the participation of all Syrians, including those displaced abroad.
4. Commitment to a political solution: It emphasizes the need for a Syrian-led and Syrian-owned political process to achieve a lasting peace.

Posted by: JB | Dec 7 2024 19:03 utc | 249

@aristodemos – 244
The Vanessa Beeley school of analysis suits you well.
Your analysis is merely what you would like the world to be. In many ways similar to the Western pundits who support Ukraine.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 19:03 utc | 250

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:45 utc | 242
‘Those countries are dictatorships and through their internal secret police thugs; are able to maintain their blood-stained thrones. So that “nobody” you claim is but a tiny, but powerful ruling dictators…nothing more and nothing less.’
So, just like Iran then.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 7 2024 19:05 utc | 251

HTS / ISIS is basically following NATO rapid expeditionary methods. NATO’s methods are basically Blitzkrieg (Nazi) methods.
The Russians still seem to follow WW1 dinosaur methods, slow and attrition warfare. That’s why they are repeatedly caught with their pants down in history. (Nazis in WW2, now first they lost the Kharkiv area in a “surprise offensive”, then Kursk). In today’s warfare if you have a surprise you have yourself to blame. There are satellites and drones giving info 24/7. The problem seems to be understanding what they mean and preparing appropriately.
If the non-NATO countries are always trying to “negotiate” and avoid confrontations, then they are always going to be on the defensive and give the first mover advantage to AngloZioNato forces. Modern war is about surprise and first mover advantage.
There is no point in negotiations anymore, except as a ruse to rearm and stab in the back. Anyone who takes negotiations seriously is a fool. And a fool who will cause a lot of loss of life.

Posted by: cafe con leche9 | Dec 7 2024 19:11 utc | 252

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 18:45 utc | 242
‘Those countries are dictatorships and through their internal secret police thugs; are able to maintain their blood-stained thrones. So that “nobody” you claim is but a tiny, but powerful ruling dictators…nothing more and nothing less.”
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So, just like Iran then.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 7 2024 19:05 utc | 254
!00% correct !

Posted by: canuck | Dec 7 2024 19:14 utc | 253

Minister of Interior: Damascus is immune to terrorists and enemies, and there is a strong security and military cordon around it
Minister of Interior Major General Mohammad Al-Rahmoun inspected this evening the work of police units in the neighborhoods of Damascus (Al-Tadamon, Al-Zahra, Al-Abbassin, Al-Umawiyin, and Al-Sumaria Housing) and police points located on the roads and squares, which are doing their duty and providing services to citizens so that citizens feel reassured.
Major General Al-Rahmoun said in a statement to the Syrian channel: “I reassure citizens that Damascus is immune to terrorists and enemies, as it was immune to them in 2014, when they were present around it and it was able to break and defeat them.”
Minister Al-Rahmoun added: “Terrorism is fleeting and the people of Syria are the steadfast ones, so there is no fear, and here I reassure citizens that there is a strong security and military cordon on the far edges of Damascus and its countryside, and no one can penetrate this defensive line that is being carried out by the brave men of our armed forces.”
The Minister of Interior continued: “The false news broadcast by hostile media day and night about the situation in Syria makes the citizen anxious, but I say that there is no need to fear, things are fine and we are steadfast as long as we are steadfast and tough.”
Minister Al-Rahmon said: “The police units are doing their duty to the fullest and their members are present in their places and in the squares, and our armed forces are present, and there is no need to worry or fear at all.”
Minister Al-Rahmon concluded by saying: I advise all citizens not to listen to biased channels but rather to follow our national channels that show what is happening in Syria with complete transparency.
Homs Governor Nemir Makhlouf to Sham FM:
– The countryside of the province is witnessing fighting and the Syrian army is dealing with attacks by armed terrorist organizations.
– The city is safe and there is no truth to the rumors about any armed organizations entering it.
Service institutions are fully operating so far, and transportation is normal, whether inside the city or towards the provinces.
– The false media hype aims to influence the souls of Syrians.
Governor of Rif Dimashq:
– What is being said about the situation in Rif Dimashq is within the framework of the media war.
– There is a repositioning and deployment of the army to preserve the capital Damascus and secure the citizens.
– Some citizens were displaced due to the rumors, but after they confirmed that they were not true, they returned to their areas.
– The situation is stable and there is no fear, and the army and police are present in the governorate

Posted by: Gipas | Dec 7 2024 19:14 utc | 254

Syria sits in the way of pipelines from the middle east to Turkey which can then get a lot of income transiting it to Europe. This is why the whole middle east has been exploded from Bush sr onwards.
Posted by: alek_a | Dec 7 2024 18:44 utc | 241
There is strong support for this viewpoint going back over a decade, and probably longer. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out the ebb and flow of energy and military security as Europe is fully decoupled, RF excluded, and Access for Gulf stuff to the Med – and taking out the Straits of Hormuz from the equation at times.
The Big Game has been on for some time.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 7 2024 19:15 utc | 255

karlof1 Dec 7@1836
Thank you for being your usual voice of reason with deeply researched insights into the geopolitical reality in its numerous iterations. My contention, which segues into your’s is that the football game is down to a couple minutes on the inevitable clock…the losing team is going for a Hail Mary pass.
Their attempt will ultimately fail as in the ancient Russian proverb that the fish rots from the head-down is writ large amongst the pro$titicians and admini$trative Bureaucrap$ within the Di$trict of Corruption. Much of the public is deeply disenchanted by each and every major institution across the fruited plain; contending for the ribbon are the mass media and the govmint.
The Di$trict, with it’s Act of 1871 Endowment by the Congress of a nearly flat-broke Civil War indebtedness…is now on its last legs as they have not only lost the respect of people all across the planet…but more tellingly by a growing plurality of We The People.
Whether Trump is merely a charlatan conman, or actually lives up to his rhetoric about “draining the $wamp”, appears to be neurotically bifurcated between a significant proportion of his domestic appointees and his Adelson and Mu$ky campaign financiers and their foreign policy demands.
Time will tell. One thing for certain is that a rapidly growing feeling of betrayal by those who elected him, is almost a no-brainer should events convince them that has gone Benedict Arnold on the American people…most particularly Johnny and Joanie Paycheck.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:15 utc | 256

Syria will be divided into spheres of influence, although formally – within the same borders. In the latest statements of the ministers of Russia, Turkey and Iran in Doha, there was not a word about Assad at all. Only about the territorial integrity of Syria. In principle, in Syria Russia only need the coastal provinces, where their bases are.
Long live the Latakia People’s Republic.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 19:18 utc | 257

@Don Firineach 234
Iran has postponed signing the already agreed Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between Iran and Russia. I don’t think they have any intention of signing it.
Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:46 utc | 243
The date has been set. Pezeshkian just revealed it. 25-Jan-2025. Look it up.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 7 2024 19:23 utc | 258

@
The Orange one has spoken.
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1865434273953509462
Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:32 utc | 231
That is a pretty nasty burn. Putin is not one to take things too personally, but i doubt the Russian MOD is gonna like that level or trolling on top of getting kicked out of the Med.
A lot went down since they set up in Syria 1971, is this really it?
I wonder what they are planning to ‘burn’ themselves in order to match this escalation? Might be a good time for a second Hazel test, this time somewhere that actually puts some fear into someone and deters them from trying to defeat Russia strategically?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 7 2024 19:24 utc | 259

In response to

The Orange one has spoken.
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1865434273953509462
Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:32 utc | 231

The Orange one lies.
He crowed when in office about being in Syria for the oil.
My hunch is that the Syrian invaders will stretch their supply lines too far and the Syria/Russia air force will cut off resupply to them
who knows?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2024 19:27 utc | 260

Mercouris spent several minutes in his video yesterday (Dec 6) carefully cataloguing what the Russians have said about their role in Syria since 2015. Many of todays posters are unaware of this information and are stuck in an analysis/feedback loop which relies on assumption and incorrect premises.
Doom/gloom/ sky is falling – this thinking is not unwarranted, but is based on current trends which in turn is largely a presentation/narrative fuelled by the western MSM. If the trends hold, extrapolating a future of Greater Israel and fractured ethno-states becomes a very real possibility. A lot has happened in a few days, and much could yet happen in the next week. Gaining a clear picture of what is happening at ground level across Syria is not possible at the current moment.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 7 2024 19:28 utc | 261

https://t.me/s/politjoystic/42471
If the thesis about the creation of a Kurdish state is confirmed, then this may be a sign of an interesting deal between Trump and Putin.
Everyone expected that they would divide Ukraine, but they started with Syria. Moreover, Erdogan outwardly looks like a beneficiary, but in the end, he will drag out all the headaches in order to stay in Turkey as the creator of the Ottoman
Empire 2.0.
That is, a possible scheme of a deal, sustainable for a long period, looks like this – to drain Assad and legitimize their spheres of influence and proxies.
The Kurds are under the American’s and the coastal provinces under Russian influence. Everything else is under the Turks. Not sure if Iran will grab anything I suspect not.
It turns out that everyone has a balance of minuses and pluses, which indicates the presence of a compromise. Moreover, this option removes most of the contradictions and allows the borders to be consolidated for a long time.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 19:28 utc | 262

2Posted by: JB | Dec 7 2024 19:03 utc | 252
But that UN resolution sounds quite delusional right now when the Romanian elections have been suspended by a tribunal there becuase the pro-Western candidate was going to lose the second round, and when the foreign born president of Georgia states that she will not be leaving his post after her mandate concludes in a soon coming date, when Macron remains refusing ot name a PM according to the past election results, and when in Ukraine there remains an illegitimate unelected president who have supressed each and every opposition party and person, any informed journalist just by using nazi terror death squads for a decade in a round…
For not to mention that in most European countries the people have already realized the “state” is no more working for their needs and interests, as the policies that provoke allegedly “climate disasters” and are finishing our alimentary and energy sovereignty and security are systematically ordered by the European Comission and thoroughly fulfilled by those placed at the government under Soros´payroll, and then, when the well planified disaster comes, there is a willing lack of attention on the part of the state for the affected people so that to justify “climate change” policies on cuts of rights and income….
Why, in the Earth, anyone in the world would swallow any of those “democratic” provisions in that resolution on Syria will be fulfilled anytime in Syria, of all places, under the leadership of one former headchpper Al Juliani?
It is clear, they are sure we are complete fools who swallow whatever they feed us with after “the pandemic” rape which took place on the people….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 7 2024 19:29 utc | 263

Turk152 Dec 7@1852
Thanks for clearing the air about confusion between greedy and power-mad “Sultan” Erdogan and the mass of the Turkish people. Question is, will they rise up and remove his hateful, deceitful, backstabbing regime?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:30 utc | 264

There you have it.
“Document from Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails:
“The best to way to help Israel deal with Iran’s growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad…It is the strategic relationship between Iran and the regime of Assad in Syria that makes it possible for Iran to undermine Israel’s security.””
https://nitter.poast.org/kennardmatt/status/1865444880580788377#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 7 2024 19:31 utc | 265

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Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2024 19:27 utc | 265
Do you even understand that the ones getting their supply lines cut off are the Syrian Govt in Damascus? Homs Highway M1 custs them off from the Sea, and they just lost the East in Deir Ezzor and Palmyra, so its good bye Iran too now.
No fuel + no weapons = no SAA.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 7 2024 19:32 utc | 266

🚨 WE CALLED IT:
https://x.com/21wire/status/1865179064144637992?s=46
21 century wire Patrick Henningson. IDF air force representing al quaeda
bombs Syrianmitary based fabicatingclaiming they have discovered chemical weapons.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 7 2024 19:34 utc | 267

Posted by: JB | Dec 7 2024 10:22 utc | 33
I agree with all of these statements, the media blitz in the Western MSM seems suspiciously optimistic for their HTS friends right out the gate. BBC, CNN and others were prepositioned to report the total collapse of the Syrian Army and their allies in what seems to be a coordinated media push with HTS lighting advances. There’s no way that HTS has cleared these cities of combatants, they seem to drive to the main squares a do photo-ops after the Syrian army melted away. If everything B is saying in this article is correct, then where do the Shia, Christian, Druze, moderate Sunni populations have to go other than to fight it out to the death? B’s article makes it seem like they will just submit to being slaughtered, their Mosques, Churches and history destroyed and their women enslaved. Hezbollah doesn’t have a history of giving up after losing some key battles, also the Iraqi PMF is a massive force backed by IRGC missiles and man power as well and I believe Syrian forces will fight for Damascus. Maybe I’m being hopeful but I see this going a totally different way. I could see these 50k or so HTS drawn out from Idleb into greater Syria where they will gather to try and take Damascus, this seems like it could be a very dangerous play for them as they will eventually need to fight the 250k PMF as well completely destroy the entire Syrian army and it’s allies, as well as SDF. If you were a Syrian Alawite, Shia or Christian man in Damascus what would you do, just submit to being captured and beheaded, or fight for your life and country? Also Erdogan and his HTS proxies have now shown their allegiance to Israel right out in the open, this could backlash against them in the near future. I think B and others have jumped the gun and are reading off the US/Turkey/Israel game plan as if it’s game over already when it’s just begun.

Posted by: James C | Dec 7 2024 19:34 utc | 268

@ Milites | Dec 7 2024 19:05 utc | 254
@ canuck | Dec 7 2024 19:14 utc | 257
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My impression is that the Islamic Republic’s form of government enjoys broad and genuine support in the countryside, whereas the urban middle classes have resigned themselves to it. So it isn’t a tiny ruling thugocracy against the overwhelming majority of the population, despite the obvious authoritarian tendencies.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 7 2024 19:34 utc | 269

@HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:40 utc | 236
>>Iran’s behaviour in Syria seriously confirms the hypothesis that the helicopter crash with the country’s political leadership in May of this year with hasty official conclusions about an “accident” was not accidental.
Maybe. Just as likely, Iran is a place with many individually brilliant scientists and engineers, but with a lot of disorganization, corruption, and general theocratic dysfunction on top of that holding them back. And if the economy falls below a certain level, the Empire will always be able to bribe its way in, regardless of ideology. To paraphrase Alexander Mercouris: one day Iran may wow you, and the next day it’s a Third World country again.
>>To this we can add the postponement of the signing by Iran of the already agreed Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between Iran and Russia.
You mean that the Russian side was good to go but Tehran said “Now is not the time”? Not my impression but I may be wrong; thanks for clarifying.
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@Fred | Dec 7 2024 18:41 utc | 237
>>If Syria falls it will be a great loss. Assad? Who cares.
I think the Iranian Revolution itself was initially an anti-Shah revolution. Only a bit later did the clerics push the socialists etc aside (sometimes by hanging them), upon which it became the “Islamic Revolution” retroactively. Do I even see in the images from Syria what is, or what the Empire wants me to see. But there seems to be a mood among many “Let’s first ditch Assad, whatever comes next can’t possibly be worse.” If so, then I think they are sorely mistaken; but who are we to judge their desperation. Anyway, if this mood is indeed in the air, this may be unstoppable now.
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@Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 7 2024 18:42 utc | 238
>>How will that turn the tide is still unknown.
Hope springs eternal; but had turning the tide been a serious intention, Iran would’ve given it its best shot before Hezbollah started withdrawing north of Litani. And Iran would’ve done a number on the IAF (infrastructure) before they bombed the crap out of Lebanon uncontested. The latter would of course have been the Iran-Israel war which Tehran clearly does not want.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 7 2024 19:36 utc | 270

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:30 utc | 269
Why do so many brilliant geopolitical analysts are suddenly dumbfounded about why the people don’t rise up against their dictators? When exactly has that happened in the past 100 years other than via a CIA regime change operation?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 7 2024 19:37 utc | 271

Hugie@1903
You strike me as an academicist, mired in materialistic groupthink, despite your fair measure of intellectual capacity. Your citation of some Vanessa Beeley is meaningless to me as I have yet to have even heard or read of that woman. Oh, you are bright enough, but more than slightly incompetent in realization of geopolitical matters, particularly considering military operations.
Seems like you have appeared outta nowhere onto this set of threads regarding the Evil Empire’s latest aggression. That makes me wonder as to whether your paycheck is cut by some entity which is anything but evenhanded or even neutral in this last gasp of said Evil Empire as under the thumb of highest international Barons of funny-money finance.
That groupthink you emblematic is quite common in Foggy Bottom.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:42 utc | 272

It is unlikely that Assad’s government will survive until next weekend. Damascus may fall in the next 24 (maximum 48) hours.
There is no serious interaction between the Syrian army and the Syrian security forces, as well as no serious resistance. In fact, the Syrian security forces are not defending their own country. Individual exceptions only emphasize the picture of general disintegration. It is no longer so important whether everything fell apart on its own or whether there was betrayal somewhere – the fact itself is important. Syria in its previous form is living out its last days. If any assistance was planned, it simply will not be in time – the Syrian army and state are disintegrating as quickly as possible.
Russia will have to solve the following issues:
1. Preservation of its military bases in Latakia.
2. Evacuation of its citizens and military from Damascus.
3. General minimization of consequences and costs.
Iran is effectively left without the land corridor that Soleimani built in 2017. This is a strategic defeat for the Iranians.
Syria will most likely face a long war on the ruins of the state in the style of Libya and Afghanistan. Millions of refugees and terrorists spreading across the region.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 19:43 utc | 273

Just another impression here, but if the MSM is telling me something I for sure know it aint the truth. I dont know what the truth is but I know that what MSM says is usually utter bullshit, the whole thing is complicated and overhyped.
My prayers are with the good guys. USA fuck off and go home.

Posted by: Jzo | Dec 7 2024 19:48 utc | 274

Milites Dec 7@1905
Your cynical opportunism is showing.
Iran is not precisely a dictatorship, as are the bloody-minded rulers on the other side of the Persian Gulf. Iran, to be sure is a theocracy amongst a council of Mullahs. Key differentiation is that in more recent years, their original Khomenei bloodthirstiness has been replaced by a somewhat balanced set of minds and attitudes…difficult for us Westerners to comprehend…but definitively NOT the nearly pure evil of the oil and blood-soaked monsters on the south end of the Persian Gulf.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:48 utc | 275

@Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:30 utc | 269
I´ll answer you.
They will not rise, like no Western people will rise against the dismantling and selling out of their countries becuase they have not suffered yet so much….
Only an aware critical mass is already willing to fight for their countries…along the full weight of the Western decay falls like an Oreshnik missile over the remainig European wellfare state, more people will be joining…
It is surprising for me why the Syrian people have not already joined the fight in defense of their country…this happens today because the civilians have been for so long time, just from the veryending WWII, kept apart from the military issues and training so that they can not know how to defend themselves and countries and if the case arrives overthrow a government when it no more serves citizens´and nation´s interests…
Anyway, there is no leadership in the NATO sphere which would bring the people along them in any fight…
No call like that of Stalin when the nazis were in the osutkirts of Moscow will be heard….and this is by design…for when our countries will be Syrianized…that they are going to be….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 7 2024 19:52 utc | 276

All the Pundits are completely split on this issue 50/50. Half believe Assad is toast and the other half believe the Resistance will not let it happen. I’m in the latter boat and one of the reasons is the potential of the IRGC and Russian ground forces. IMO it’s only a logistics issue. Because if the IRGC could arrive there in a significant number, and I have no idea how they could do that it is certain the Tangos would go down. Same for the Houties and probably a LOT of others, too. Just a logistics issue. And those can be solved.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Dec 7 2024 19:53 utc | 277

Philly@1907
Have you ever contemplated or even considered that Iran has changed its no-nukes policy? If so, they certainly have the advanced hypersonic missiles to deliver a small handful which would be all required to turn that shitty little statelet of genocidal maniacs into a glass-covered parking-lot.
As a relatively monstrous large land, Iran is extremely mountainous and despite heavy casualties in huge cities such as Tehran, the ancient Persian people will survive. Meanwhile those genociders would achieve their just desserts.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 19:53 utc | 278

HughG | Dec 7 2024 19:43 utc | 278
Just to stress the above are the thoughts of Colonel Cassad and he’s right.

Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 19:54 utc | 279

Berletic at The New Atlas yesterday pointed out that mountainous terrain in the Damascus direction will slow the HTS advance. It is as yet too early to be certain of the final outcome.

Posted by: mjh | Dec 7 2024 19:56 utc | 280

Posted by: mjh | Dec 7 2024 19:56 utc | 285

Berletic at The New Atlas yesterday pointed out that mountainous terrain in the Damascus direction will slow the HTS advance. It is as yet too early to be certain of the final outcome.

Which advance is that? The one from Turkey or the one from Jordan?

Posted by: robin | Dec 7 2024 20:01 utc | 281

Mozgovoy Dec 7 @1929
Insightful and well presented by one who has long been a respected “elder” on MoA. Thanks for the solidarity amidst the hail of bought and paid for trolls and concern trolls.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:01 utc | 282

republicofscotland Dec 7 @1931
Nailed the bitch, aka The Wicked Witch of the West…and her Zioni$ta financiers and supporters. Seems that P. Diddy had some juicy gossip as to her literal bloodthirstiness.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:04 utc | 283

HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:46 utc | 243
If this the case then they have decided that missiles and the nuke will be sufficient deterrence. Tough decisions. And perhaps way of direct involvement in an upcoming heavyweight championship bout.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 7 2024 20:07 utc | 284

The most important thing is to start political talks between the Syrian government and the legitimate opposition groups.
presumably that does not include the terrorists themselves.?

Posted by: Jo | Dec 7 2024 20:09 utc | 285

Ladies and gentlemen, Jack, the Zionazi! Jack, you dumb goy, go join them on their sites.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 7 2024 17:24 utc | 196
Respond to the content of my post and not to my bad temper and bad manners. The Trump Is Our Guy gaslighting is more dangerous than most of the trifles that people argue over.

Posted by: Jack M | Dec 7 2024 20:09 utc | 286

“Syrian rebels claim to have encircled Damascus, marking a critical blow to Assad’s regime.
Rebel forces led by Hassan Abdel Ghani declare the “final phase” of their assault as the Syrian army denies withdrawing.
With Damascus under siege, Assad faces the risk of losing his power stronghold. Rebel victories in Aleppo, Hama, and Daraa have emboldened their advance.
Is this the endgame for Assad?”
— Hindustan Times
We’ll know with 24 hours if the Syrian state intends to survive.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 7 2024 20:11 utc | 287

Turk152 Dec7 @1937
One needs to retropoject a while back into human history to recognize that popular uprisings have not only occurred, but not infrequently succeeded. Granted that the CIA…and don’t forget the Rottenchild’s prime minion and made man, Little Georgie of our $orrow@…have nefariously engineered the overthrow of many popular governments, perhaps the initial Biggie was the overthrow of the legitimate elected government of Iran in ’52 and replacing it with their stooge, Shah Pahlevi.
Nearly 30 years later, the people of Iran, initially divided into numerous factions, erased the Shah’s regime.
Fascinating flip, eh wot?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:14 utc | 288

@Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 7 2024 19:23 utc | 263
Thanks for that. Jan it is then.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 7 2024 20:18 utc | 289

Hugie, Mooie & $crewy Dec 7& 1943
What impels, compels, even, you to stick to your ideology like some limpet or cocklebur? It seems evident that you have investments in the game, suddenly appearing out of nowhere and spewing your regurgitations of the same outpour emanating from the Mass-Media of misinformation and mindfuckery.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:19 utc | 290

The Orange one has spoken.
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1865434273953509462
Posted by: HughG | Dec 7 2024 18:32 utc | 231
The Orange one is getting old and his memory isn’t what it used to be: Otherwise he’d remember a thing his fellow Republicans called “war on terror”, fought by the US and it’s NATO allies. Most recently in Syria, the last hiding ground of Al Aida and the Islamic state. The very guys the Orange one now refers to as “Opposition”. Previously known as the guys who blew up the Twin Towers, trains in Madrid, bombs in London, who machine gunned civilians in Paris.
If the Orange one wants to sit on the fence and enjoy his popcorn while those folks rebuild Syria as their new home base, then maybe he is getting too old for his job.

Posted by: Marvin | Dec 7 2024 20:20 utc | 291

we forget that Turkey is NATO

Posted by: hh | Dec 7 2024 20:20 utc | 292

Jo Dec 7@2009
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is NO such animule as a legitimate opposition in Syria. They took sides years ago and most of them currently live in Europe…as the ones in Idlib have been terrorized by the Headchoppers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:25 utc | 293

Posted by: abierno | Dec 7 2024 18:10 utc | 218 “Also virtually no reporting on SAA/Russian air force actions”
There has been reporting on SAA/Russian air force operations. The problem with what I saw is that a report would say something “Russian bombs terrorist’s in X” and if you looked at the time on it and the time on the next report, it said X was secured by SAA the day before… So why are they bombing X today? And the third report at about the same time as first two would say HTS arrives in Y, which was the next town down the road on the way to Damascus.

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 7 2024 20:25 utc | 294

ArchBungle@2011
Please do bear in mind that Hindustani Times is rather frenetic and tends to source irresponsible sources.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:27 utc | 295

One thing is certain: if Syria goes, then Lebanon goes, then Iran goes. It’s really just a matter of time. Iran failed to hit back at the Zionists when they had the chance, and still fail to do so (now would be the ideal time). And Russia is only interested in Russia, not ‘multi-polarity’, not the Global South, not no one else except Russia. Putin is a mild mannered neoliberal neoconservative who is merely piqued that he was left out of the spoils when (e.g.) Libya was carved up. Xi thinks that by building up China to a large enough extent he can build a metaphorical new Great Wall of China that can protect him from the Yanks (he is wrong, but it will protect him for a few decades).
Oh and if Syria/Lebanon/Iran go then Zionism will indeed have won, and Israel, along with Saudi Arabia, will be the next global hegemon in West Asia for the next few centuries. The BRICs will fade away and plans to replace the dollar as the global reserve currency will go away (not that there was really anywhere to go away to, as these plans are going nowhere).
The original sin of the US and Western left was to abandon belief in Soviet style communism, such that, when the Berlin Wall came down, many of them cheered it. Everything has followed on from that suicidal decision.

Posted by: Hidari | Dec 7 2024 20:28 utc | 296

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 7 2024 19:52 utc | 281 “It is surprising for me why the Syrian people have not already joined the fight in defense of their country…”
Yeah, amazing, didn’t 95% of them vote for Assad in the last election?

Posted by: Ed4 | Dec 7 2024 20:28 utc | 297

Edifacist Four Dec 7 @2025
“Report” eh? What was the source?…or did you assemble/dissemble a bit?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:31 utc | 298

there is NO such animule as a legitimate opposition in Syria. Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:25 utc | 298
Exactly. I was wondering about that term “legitimate” and who decides who is and or not “legitimate”.
Their loyalities are in their wallet.

Posted by: hh | Dec 7 2024 20:34 utc | 299

Hidebound Dec 7 @2028
Okay, so the wisdom of an overdone Bolshie. Do you still consider yourself as being amongst the vanguard of the proletariat?
Your historical projections are hilarious. Face it, you are of the inevitable passing of an Old Guard…what with that rationalistic, academicist variegated dialects of mere materialism. That dialectical philosphism dates clear back to Rene des Cartes and updated by the Neo-Darwinists.
Spiritually inert, I would aver.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 7 2024 20:38 utc | 300