Why Is WaPo Reporting A Trump-Putin Call That Did Not Take Place?
This is curious.
The Washington Post is reporting a phone call between U.S. President-elect Donald Trump and President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Federation.
Trump talked to Putin, told Russian leader not to escalate in Ukraine - Washington Post, Nov 10 2024
President-elect Donald Trump spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday and discussed the war in Ukraine, according to people familiar with the call.
President-elect Donald Trump spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday, the first phone conversation between the two men since Trump won the election, said several people familiar with the matter.During the call, which Trump took from his resort in Florida, he advised the Russian president not to escalate the war in Ukraine and reminded him of Washington’s sizable military presence in Europe, said a person familiar with the call, who, like others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.
Ukraine's government, says WaPo, was informed of the call.
The Kremlin denies that any such phone call and talk has taken place:
Kremlin denies call between Putin and Trump - AFP/MSN, Nov 11 2024
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed reports of a conversation, calling it "completely false information."
The Kremlin on Monday denied a US media report that Russian President Vladimir Putin and US president-elect Donald Trump shared a call about the Ukraine conflict.
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Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists that the report was "simply false information", denying any phone call took place.
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Steven Cheung, Trump's communications director, did not confirm the exchange, telling AFP in a written statement that "we do not comment on private calls between President Trump and other world leaders."
I have failed to find the original quote by Peskov but trust - The full Peskov quote, via RIA Novosti (in Russian), confirms - that the AFP has got it right (machine translation):
"This is the most obvious example of the quality of the information that is now published sometimes even in fairly reputable publications. This is completely untrue. This is pure fiction. This is just false information," he told reporters, answering a corresponding question.
Ukraine likewise denies any knowledge of a call:
KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine's foreign ministry said on Sunday that reports Kyiv was informed in advance of a phone call between U.S. President- elect Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin were false.The Washington Post, citing people familiar with the matter, reported that Trump and Putin spoke by phone on Thursday and discussed the war in Ukraine. It said Kyiv was informed of the call and did not object to the conversation taking place.
"Reports that the Ukrainian side was informed in advance of the alleged call are false. Subsequently, Ukraine could not have endorsed or opposed the call," foreign ministry spokesperson Heorhii Tykhyi told Reuters.
According to the Washington Post the alleged phone call took place on Thursday, November 7. That very same day Putin was giving a talk at the Valdai Discussion Club. During the discussion Putin asserted that he had yet to talk with Donald Trump:
Putin confirmed he had yet to talk with Trump in the wake of his victory — but indicated that he’d pick up the phone if the U.S. president-elect called.Explaining that he hasn’t phoned Trump himself “because the leaders of Western countries were calling me almost every week at some point, and then suddenly they stopped,” Putin added: “If any of them wants to resume contact, I have always said and I want to say again: we have nothing against it.”
Asked whether he was prepared to hold discussions with Trump, even before he’s inaugurated, Putin said his administration is “ready, ready.”
I doubt that the Trump campaign was listening live to Putin and picked up the phone to call him on that very same day. I thus believe the Kremlin spokesman - i.e no call has taken place - and regard the Washington Post report as a hoax.
The Washington Post sourcing - "a person familiar with the call" - is extremely vague. The authors of the piece are Ellen Nakashima, John Hudson and Josh Dawsey.
Ellen Nakashima is known for 'reporting' this or that nonsense about 'Russigate' for which she and others received a Pulitzer Price. We today know that the alleged Russian influence in the 2016 election has been a hoax that has been thoroughly debunked.
This then leaves us with questions:
- Who has told Nakashima that a phonecall between Trump and Putin has taken place?
- What was the purpose of making such a claim?
I currently fail to come up with satisfactory answers to those questions.
I do believe though that the motive is related to this part of the Post's report:
[Trump] "reminded him of Washington’s sizable military presence in Europe"
Sorry, but the U.S. presence in Europe, currently some 50,000 soldiers, of whom, at most, some 5,000-7,500 are proper frontline troops, is not something that will make the Kremlin tremble.
So:
- Who would want to put the presence of U.S. troops in Europe into a discussion about Ukraine?
- For what purpose?
Please let me know your answers to those questions.
Posted by b on November 11, 2024 at 11:02 UTC | Permalink
next page »The Washington Compost is trying to poison the well in regards to Trump's apparent desire to end the Russo-Ukrainian War or, else, end America's involvement in the conflict.
I don't need to remind anyone here that The Washington Compost is one of the favored mouthpieces of the US Deep State and, especially, the US State Department.
Robert Kagan, husband of Victoria Nuland, was on WaComPo's editorial board until just a couple of weeks ago when he resigned in protest over owner Jeff Bezos's refusal to allow WaComPo to endorse Kamala Harris for the presidency.
What better way than to spread fake news about an alleged phone call wherein Trump allegedly browbeats Putin with threats of escalation if Putin doesn't back down and let USNATOSTAN dictate the terms of peace?
Posted by: Monos | Nov 11 2024 11:12 utc | 2
We live in strange days, days of madness.
Something strange is going on.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 11:14 utc | 3
I would say it is just another piece of poor reading / listening comprehension on the part of those authors.
Putin said he would talk to Trump if Trump called.
In their brain that turned into Putin talked to Trump when Trump called.
The rest is just them poisoning the well before someone drinks from it.
Posted by: Martina | Nov 11 2024 11:14 utc | 4
Maybe that call really happend, but not Putin on the line but Prankster Vovan & Lexus...
Posted by: Klaus | Nov 11 2024 11:16 utc | 5
The WAPO is US state department mouth piece/'garbage dump' where they pour all sort of misinformation. By inserting this particular fake story of Trump-Putin discussing Ukraine, and the recently publicized 'peace plan' of DMZ (like in Koreas), the US state department is trying to insert their wishy-washy programming/expectations in to the audience making them think that Nato troops will be placed along the current contact lines, Ukraine won and conflict is near conclusion with the loser being the winner.
Maybe they have some other levers on Trump.
Ultimately it could be BlackRock or other banking interests attempting to fix the line and be able to utilize Ukraine's minerals west of Dniepr. But like Stalin said... how many divisions does the Vatic... err... BlackRock have?
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2024 11:19 utc | 6
I'll reiterate that the most important thing is who initiates the call. Regardless of how it is reported the call is an ask.
It is also fun to speculate about the Billionaires' phone book that has the direct numbers to Heads of State. A very special phone book that must be!
Posted by: too scents | Nov 11 2024 11:25 utc | 7
Trump's victory could mean that the Society of spectacle is crumbling, that the capitalist world cannot sustain the spectacle. The US capitalism is going to be ruthless and cruel as it has always been but the Spectacle, the shadow on the wall meant to distract from that evil truth is over. Maintaining the Spectacle is expensive, you have to pay so many clowns, philosophers, artists, singers, TV stars, you have to entertain the masses. Maybe the population is now so reduced, so stupid that it is not necessary to have the Spectacular society any more. We are now far humiliated on daily basis, far more then Guy Deboard or Raoul Vaneigem could ever have imagined.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 11:36 utc | 8
Dear b,
Answer is easy : isn't it obvious that we need to send more U.S. troops to counterbalance the terrible North Korean threat?
(You're welcome;)
Posted by: Tak-Tik | Nov 11 2024 11:36 utc | 9
how many divisions does the Vatic... err... BlackRock have?
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2024 11:19 utc | 6
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Many! Germany's opposition leader Friedrich Merz, who is leading in the "polls" to become the next Chancellor, was formally chairman of Blackrock Germany's supervisory board.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 11 2024 11:38 utc | 10
--- Hi is it bad Vilain Vlad ?
-- Da da, yes it s him.
-- How about thaw this whole mess in a jiffy right now?
-- ??-?
__ yeah just with your permission to build up a trumptower in the red Square
To understand the current situation, we must bear in mind that we are a human society. In other words, we are as numerous and diverse as ants, bees or termites, but without that discipline, without a sense of community, without solidarity or spirit of sacrifice to achieve common goals, without the desire to speak except to generate effects and not actions.
It is in this current state of affairs, magnified by the immediacy and overabundance of unnecessary and banal objects, misinformation or outright stupidity considered as something funny, that humanity is passing through the current era.
In that context, where every death and every distant home destroyed can be simply ignored or assumed to be an insignificant cost by the majority of the population, NATO functioned as a large party hall, with its doors wide open, and where everyone could sit and eat until bursting, without having to give an account, without worrying about throwing bottles on the floor, without worrying about the stares of others, as immersed in the crazy party as they were.
Now, when the trays don't reach all the tables, and the waiters keep handing out the bills to pay, some notice that the mess will have to be cleaned up and they start walking backwards slowly, but the owner of the hall doesn't want to wash the dishes alone, so he decides to close the doors and leave them all inside, whether they want to or not, until everything shines again. Of course they filled their stomachs first and now they can't run, of course their pockets are full of souvenirs, and they can't move without making noise, and they're being watched, and they can't say they weren't sitting at the table, since the floor is full of broken bottles, there are drunk diners who keep dancing without music, some passed out, intoxicated, sick, some having sex on the tables in front of everyone, and yet...nobody is going to leave until the last plate is washed and everything shines like the first day.
The owner of the salon keeps taking things out the back door, things that everyone paid for and continues to pay for, but that can't be discussed because pockets would have to be emptied.
Before opening the doors there will be a cold shower for everyone and a little kick in the ass to get some momentum, and that will be all.
The salon will be able to open again. Or that's the theory.
The employees will work as usual, no matter what happens, because their salary does not depend on how drunk the guests are, or how bad the wines are. They will simply do what they have to do...
I too am willing to talk to trump, if he calls me i will pick up the phone.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 11 2024 11:48 utc | 13
I see just two obvious possibilities (both involving trolling )
Either state (blinky and the no brain) trying to hold the crumbling line of European allies, or team trump to discredit WaPo as payback for all the talk about possible nominees (and added bonus of giving the idea of already being in charge and solving the Ukraine problem)
Top of mind would be my first choices
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 11 2024 11:55 utc | 14
Ok, maybe third trolling option, VPP preempting any discussion on further talks that take place. Any discussion , real or otherwise, might be randomly denied.
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 11 2024 11:58 utc | 15
WaPo is a worthless spokesperson for the loathsome deep state. They are upset im sure that Trump has put the Kibosh on reappointing their darlings Haley and Pompeo. They just write whatever pops up in their fetid dreams. It was all over Sky news that Qatar had ejected Hamas officials from country which turned out to be another made up fact.
The shredding machines will be working non stop between now and January 20th and if the CIA has an in house furnace, expect to see black smoke regularly rising from the roof of Langley.
Trump has 4 years to change himself from a milestone in world history to one of humanities main characters. i hope he listens more to Don Jnr than his daughter and her Zionist plant husband.
Posted by: DaVinci | Nov 11 2024 12:01 utc | 16
60 days untill january 20th inauguration day of the president 'elect'. Anything arranged before could be premature and aborted by the devious clans of the "deep state" and its servants. Messages to put people on the wrong track and keep everybody guessing and speculating. The writers of it have to make a living too. LOL
Posted by: c (-old) | Nov 11 2024 12:02 utc | 17
Not as simple as it seems .
https://korybko.substack.com/p/10-obstacles-to-trumps-reported-plan
Posted by: hole in head | Nov 11 2024 12:03 utc | 18
The FBI also claimed that Iran was planning to take out Trump.
It appears to me that elements within the USG are preparing the ground to stop Trump from taking office.
Posted by: littlereddot | Nov 11 2024 12:03 utc | 19
VPP preempting
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 11 2024 11:58 utc | 15
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Of course the Kremlin could deny that a call took place to spare Trump the embarrassment of being the suitor, and thus to open additional space for negotiations.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 11 2024 12:05 utc | 20
1. To discredit Trump since there appear to be no allegation of Russian interference, YET!
2. Put down a marker to force Trump into offering just Crimea to Russia (not Washington's to give) and not the other four Russian oblasts, in part or whole.
If Russia wants all of Ukraine east of the Dnieper it just has to destroy something like 16 bridges and disable the crossings over four dams across the Dnieper. Ukrainian resistance east of the Dnieper would collapse fairly quickly. Once done, Russia just has to accept a ceasefire and enforce it, nothing except food inspected by Russia crosses the Dnieper from west to east and heavy weapons don't cross east to west.
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 11 2024 12:09 utc | 21
A not-so-subtle message to Trump that his lines are tapped…and the authorities know exactly what he is doing and saying?
Posted by: JohnH | Nov 11 2024 12:11 utc | 22
I cannot wait for Vovan and Lexus to release the video of their prank call with Trump.
Posted by: Lurk | Nov 11 2024 12:13 utc | 23
Thanks for flagging this up b.
I think your right to be suspscous.
As far as i can see, a personal call would be about golf or some such matter, not about whos got the biggest military presence. That would be 'affares of state'.
As trump at this stage is only 'presedent elect' and techenacly not preident, trump is president 'in transition' as such, my understanding is that any conversation between trump and Putin would need to be witnessed and overseen by the biden administration at this stage, untill January.
Some here may know better than me.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 11 2024 12:14 utc | 24
remember, WaPo and their drinking friends were eager to worship trump as a leader after he blew up an empty warehouse in Syria. Their main problem with him is that he's rude and tacky and metrosexual, they were totally fine with all his war crimes.
Posted by: grimp pimp | Nov 11 2024 12:20 utc | 25
I have always been skeptical about the Deep State when the people making decisions as neocons have long been identified. The neocons came in under George F.W. Bush in the Pentagon under Dick Cheney in the First Iraq war that coincided with the collapse of the Soviet Union and carried out the program in the George W. Bush administration in the Second Gulf War. The crew around Joe Biden are Jewish and like Biden strongly Zionist. They have been with Biden a very long time and have no discernible ties to the original neocons.
The program of the neocons, Project for a New American Century, was written by Paul Wohlfowitz and an Afghan Zalmay Khalilzad, the first and last ambassador to Afghanistan.. Bush the elder went ballistic when he read it and made many calls not to follow the program that was eventually published in 2008 and implemented when Dick Chenney was running the White House during the Second Gulf War under Dick Cheney. The Second Gulf War was not fought for Israel, nor the Afghan War. Israel was until now a very great asset.
I am coming to my point. The term neocon comes from the Seventies and from the mentor of Bernie Sanders and the DSA taunting the circle then called New York Intellectuals who went from Trotskyism to progressive leftism to the hard right that was implemented, let it be known, by the Republican Party. I am making this point on the eve of the failure of that policy during the Biden administration in Ukraine and Israel when the urge to blame Israel and the Jews with stabbed in the back by the Jews of AIPAC who had bought Congress.
I was born as a Jew in Budapest after the Holocaust and an anti-Zionist from my early years. The neocons were not all Jewish and their program was enthusiastically applauded by both Democrats and Republicans.
Posted by: andras | Nov 11 2024 12:20 utc | 26
If Russia wants all of Ukraine east of the Dnieper it just has to destroy something like 16 bridges and disable the crossings over four dams across the Dnieper. Ukrainian resistance east of the Dnieper would collapse fairly quickly. Once done, Russia just has to accept a ceasefire and enforce it, nothing except food inspected by Russia crosses the Dnieper from west to east and heavy weapons don't cross east to west.Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 11 2024 12:09 utc | 21
My take is RUAF may be seeing the declining effectiveness of Nato/AFU from which they cannot recover. In fact, the entire 'excess/free' arsenal of Nato may have already been spent in the conflict in Donbass and Kursk invasion. They may see Nato can do little to resist the collapsing south and south-eastern parts of the front, which IMHO is even more crucial than events in Toretsk, Seversk or Chasov Yar (central part of the fronts).
Because, as the south/SE goes, so goes Zaporozhye, Pavlograd, and Dnepropetrovsk becomes blocked and unable to funnel any supply, and so goes the center. As Kursk and Sumy goes, so goes northern route, Kharkov, and so goes the center...
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2024 12:22 utc | 27
You mean Washington Post didn't tell the truth? (sarcasm) Thank God our legitimate president is back and will make peace with Russia and the world won't have to worry about being annihilated with a nuclear war.
Posted by: Fortuna | Nov 11 2024 12:22 utc | 28
Two final options:
1. 3 letter agencies have the comment sections reasonably mapped on those that are assets for each side and/or map well with subsequent response by one of the actors. Then you create the news to see on those “focus groups” what to expect
2. Someone wants to keep attention or discussion OUT of something that is happening at that moment. If people are discussing X they are unlikely to pay so much attention to Y
That is my alternative to the trollish angle…
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 11 2024 12:23 utc | 29
Ahahahah!!!
What I wrote since the beginning?
I repeat once more: to read the western merdias is bad for one's mental health.
Today I add: to believe what is written in the western merdias makes one a stupid fool.
Period.
Most worrying is that some pro-Russian channels are falling for it. Critical thinking down the toilet.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:28 utc | 30
The neocons were not all Jewish and their program was enthusiastically applauded by both Democrats and Republicans.
Posted by: andras | Nov 11 2024 12:20 utc | 26
While not all neocons are Jewish the vast majority are, in a country purportedly about
5% Jewish
Posted by: qparker | Nov 11 2024 12:28 utc | 31
Nothing more than the deep state attempting to box Trump in before he's even started. Its so transparent. They will try and put together a "deal" that doesn't exist and then blame Russia for refusing to sign it. The Russians will just keep nibbling until there is no Ukraine to argue about.
Posted by: Kaiama | Nov 11 2024 12:30 utc | 32
The Washington Compost
Posted by: Monos | Nov 11 2024 11:12 utc | 2
Great!!!
Posted by: Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:31 utc | 33
Best to just assume lies from mainstream western media. Since the NY times Iraq weapons of mass destruction lies there's really no going back for me. Irredeemable.
Posted by: SO | Nov 11 2024 12:33 utc | 34
Posted by: qparker | Nov 11 2024 12:28 utc | 31
You are 200% correct!
http://impiousdigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Jewish-Zionist-Neocons-Behind-Iraq-Plight-304x320.jpg
Posted by: Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:33 utc | 35
Posted by: Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:33 utc | 35
And even missing on that picture: Nuland, Blinken, Freeman...
Posted by: Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:35 utc | 36
Scott Ritter gives due 'respect' to EU and Nato.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RO_YVq-eyU
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2024 12:37 utc | 37
Invent a call that didn't happen, "reporters" hound incoming admin with it due to perceived "impropriety", maybe even push Trump to throw some shade on Putin?, everyone denying it makes it a "secret" call that still happened, obviously something very irregular was discussed, "reporters" hound incoming admin with it due to perceived "impropriety" for 4 years straight, Trump probably "sold" Ukraine to Putin so inevitable Ukraine loss is on him, "KGB agent Donald a.k.a New-Hitler signs Molotov&Ribbentrop pact with KGB agent Putin a.k.a New-Hitler first thing after being elected before even stepping into office."
At least that's how I would pitch it if the goal was to manipulate weak-minded idiots with a nothing-burger. Where's my Pulitzer?
Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 11 2024 12:38 utc | 38
Why would anybody believe the lying scum Western media? They can come up with any BS. Simply do not believe them.
Posted by: Ralph | Nov 11 2024 12:39 utc | 39
Posted by: hole in head | Nov 11 2024 12:03 utc | 18
Why are you reporting an article based on the wsj?
See above Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:28 utc
The main and only obstacle to any western "plan" is Russia.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:41 utc | 40
The "frontier line" for the end of hostilities, prop0sed by the US side, keeps all the Blackrock preferential goodies, land "rights" and many of the means of the Ukrainians to repay the US "loans", on the non-Russian side. I reckon this is more a question of trying to pre-draw lines that will make money for the war-mongers and avoid disastrous loss of "collateral" for derivatives and other monetary manipulations, by suggesting the parameters of any future agreement.
Simply do not believe them.
Posted by: Ralph | Nov 11 2024 12:39 utc | 39
Fixed for you: Simply do not read them or do not listen to them.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 11 2024 12:43 utc | 42
Putin complimented Trump on his election and courage following the attempt on Trump's life and indicated that he is ready to talk to Trump. A possible next step would be for Trump to reciprocate the compliments and indicate his readiness to talk. This clumsy piece of news poisons the rapprochment. It's speed is surprising, though. It suggests a modicum of panic.
Posted by: RR | Nov 11 2024 12:44 utc | 43
Let's create the timeline
Musk and Trump talked with Zelenxky and was widely reported
Musk on the call raised ? But West Corp media did not dig enough why and not much reporting on the call. Makes sense since Biden is still president
Sunday comes and Washington Post being a known CIA mouth piece pumped the stories and given the reputation off the writers Editorial Played along...
Why, I think it's because News media claims that Biden is planning on funding Ukraine for 6 months so more Debt for Americans but it's what the current Deep States wants to happen and Trump for the sake of "Unity" went with it as his Administration would not have to take the blame.
Monday comes and Presidents Spokesman says Neit on the call...
America is still waking up and I beleive either this story will have legs to pressureize the Republicans on going along with the funding or it will fizzle
However a psych nugget has been planted on who will call who ...
On the sizeable number of toy soilders ..makes me want to beleive the CIA plant was second tier leaker. As everyone knows.. Russia knows how many tissues the NATO uses to wipe their ass...that was bravado to make it sound like something Trump would say
Let see..I THINK CIA Did not plan for Trump to win and now they need his help as they have no Plan B to kick the comedian to the curb. Also Military takeover would make NATO look like fools ..and Elections ain't happening in Ukraine anytime soon . ...
Russia Winning everywhere now 🙏
Posted by: Bubbal | Nov 11 2024 12:48 utc | 44
Another couple of hundred thousand more normies red pilled as a result.
Regimist Media is committing suicide
Posted by: Exile | Nov 11 2024 12:48 utc | 45
Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 11 2024 12:41 utc | 41
You're correct, they are attempting to draw future lines that retains a vassalage state with some (even if miniscule) means of paying 'debts'.
The black irony thing is actually all the loans given by EU/USA to Ukraine in the tune of $60 billion since Spring 2024 was contingent upon drafting 200k people during Fall 2024 plus doing an invasion into Russia, which we now know manifested as Kursk. Ukraine will be paying those loans back after first using its own population as collateral for the loan - yet the collateral did not cancel the loan.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2024 12:49 utc | 46
ha ha ... been hearing that all morning and my initial thoughts were ... what??
Dropped into MoA to see whats up and although I hadn't checked the Kremlin sources it just didn't ring true. "... Warning Putin not to escalate? ...", "... Reminding Putin about US/NATO military might? ..."
Nah ... didn't buy it when I first heard it, not buying it now.
Haven't got the time to read the comments yet but for my few pence* (other currencies are available), it strikes me as someone somewhere trying to tie Trump into Biden's fuck-up. So far it is undeniably Biden's cock-up to hold, yet if Trump doesn't end the war and takes ownership by escalating either through rhetoric or arms supplies or both, then at the very least he becomes co-owner.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 11 2024 12:50 utc | 47
If I remember well, there exists some old law in the USA prohibiting this. Some years ago one of Trump's aides was condemned for contacting the Russian side before Trump's inauguration. That may be the reason why the Trump aides asked the Kremlin to deny the call, in order to avoid a problem.
Posted by: Herman | Nov 11 2024 13:00 utc | 48
• Who would want to put the presence of U.S. troops in Europe into a discussion about Ukraine?
• For what purpose?
Please let me know your answers to those questions.
Posted by b on November 11, 2024 at 11:02 UTC | Permalink
In order to answer these questions it's worth posing a preliminary pre-quiz quiz:
Why are even the most inconsequential political debates in the Christian Colonial West always conducted behind a veil of Top Secret Secrecy?
Answer: In the Neoliberal West the main Political Party Politicians are only in politics to line their own pockets with Donations/Rewards for selling out to Corporations which want to fleece the Citizenry who were tricked into voting for them.
Politics behind closed doors is thinly veiled Dictatorship.
As a result of this arrangement the citizens have to rely on the Fake News Media to ask politicians the tough questions which they usually do apologetically or cringeingly.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 11 2024 13:02 utc | 49
Not directly connected but a nice exit plan.
Azov (with a little help from cia) kicks Z out, the west changes their assessment back to Azovs are nazis and just lets them be shredded by RF.
Z in exile complaints about how his team was dragged in by Azov baddies (he run and was elected to make peace) and waits for the us to give him back whatever rump state RF magnanimously hands back.
The end
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 11 2024 13:03 utc | 50
I would love to beleave what trump is saying his plans are regarding Russia and Ukraine, but lets get real he's got a long track record of lie's.
He wants america to rule the world, he dosent care about any other country. Not the publics america but the billionares america.
All this Russian romance is a 'feint'
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 11 2024 13:03 utc | 51
The moment that some US politician started spouting that the proxy war in Ukraine was such good value for the United States, Ukraine should have re-negotiated their arrangement with NATO and EU. Each dead Ukrainian soldier would cost NATO and EU $1 million off any loans from the US and EU and when loans cleared after 60,000 dead, each dead Ukrainian would require payment of $1 million so Ukraine would now be sat on cash pile of about $420 - $540 billion except what ended up in offshore bank accounts. Zelensky and the Banderites have sold out the Ukrainian people for a mere pittance.
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 11 2024 13:12 utc | 52
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 11 2024 13:03 utc | 50
When the end is near, some 'nuggets' of truth will start appearing.
-'Z man was elected on peace platform but baddie Azov threatened him' (never mind Azov is a US state dept/ CIA managed and funded project)
-'Our western media told back in 2014-2015 about nazi Azov but nobody listened to us, now look how they led Ukraine to ruin' (never mind EU / US funding of nazi Azov's)
-'We had Minsk agreement but Ukraine refused to follow' (never mind the west gave money and support in favor of not following terms of Minsk agreement)
-'Z man and his team rejected the March 2022 agreement so they carry most of the blame' (never mind role of BOJO the messenger)
-'Ukraine rejected infrastructure war and took much more critical or fatal damage while failing to inflict that on Russia' (never mind Nato planned all these strikes)
'-Z team and Syrsky didn't obey Nato tactics, consequentially we don't have weapons to sustain the war and Ukraine critically lost' (never mind that everything you see in Ukraine was planned by London and Pentagon (generals)
Currently, the US deep state is throwing EU under the bus, by dumping +90% of the financial burdens of Ukraine on EU.
This is in-line with the notion of a crumbling empire. The crumbling empire will eat its own fringes, vassals and subjects to buy time for the crumbling center. This is coincidental with US still retaining an opportunity to get a way out and save itself, but EU(rope) does not, as their 'leaders' will obey and jump into Sarlacc's sand pit.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2024 13:13 utc | 53
Now that Pax Americana has given way to Pax Judaica the west has truly become an Empire of Lies ruled over by Liars.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 11 2024 13:14 utc | 54
The Don and Hellensky having a call is a strange story in itself ; It's the story about an elected president that don't rules yet calling an unelected president that still rules :)
Just saying.
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Nov 11 2024 13:19 utc | 55
I took it that Peskov used somewhat ambiguous language to state that the Wapoo completely fabricated and misrepresented the nature of the phone conversation. I suspect the phone call (if there was one - simes likely) was simply to make contact and to congradulate Trump - simply a formal act of staesman-like behavior. Perhaps things were said, but really nothing more than "we will be in touch". For one thing, Trump would need to be careful about contact with foreign leaders at this point as he is not yet President.
That is my impression - it is simply based on context and probabilty with some allowance for I do not know.
The media has zero credibility at this point - any similarity to the truth is purely incidental and the reporting is more representative of what they wish were happening and what they would like us to believe or that they would like to keep the public confused/angry or that they are trying to influence political events. Why does anyone read that crap?
Posted by: jared | Nov 11 2024 13:26 utc | 56
If Trump talked to Putin at this point, it is 99.9999% that the NSA eavesdropped and recorded the call, and Putin and Trump both surely operate on that assumption.
Posted by: schmoe | Nov 11 2024 13:27 utc | 57
Like “Russiagate,” this sounds like more British meddling in US affairs.
First thing a Trump administration needs to do is a colour revolution in the UK.
Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Nov 11 2024 13:34 utc | 59
The media ecosystem is essentially that the MSM are a garbage heap and the alt-Media are seagulls or rats living from the scraps.
Only a few are providing serious analysis - which is inherently limited because information is not easy to come by.
That I am aware of, I could count them on one hand.
And no one is perfect.
I was watching a video of one of my favorites for finance commentary - Kevin Boyle, titles The Truth.
It was complete B/S - he was obviously "shilling" for somebody.
Posted by: jared | Nov 11 2024 13:35 utc | 60
My theory:
The Democrats' (and national security state) planned exist strategy, to save face, was to blame the republicans for not funding the war. That strategy was wiped out by Trump victory.
So now, they are seeking to blame Trump, as the facts on the ground are no longer deniable and Russia is on the verge of victory and settlement. They can now claim that trump attempted to negotiate a settlement and Putin declined. See how that works?
Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 11 2024 13:40 utc | 61
We follow this stuff becouse it's very very important, wheather they speak bull shit lis's or not, be aware. Its what we do here.
Should go without sayin.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 11 2024 13:43 utc | 62
The neocons were not all Jewish and their program was enthusiastically applauded by both Democrats and Republicans.
Posted by: andras | Nov 11 2024 12:20 utc | 26
The nonJewish neocons are either Ziochristians or worship the god of mammon
Posted by: Mary | Nov 11 2024 13:44 utc | 63
The WSJ had some ludicrous story about a "proposal favored by the Trump team" too. Pure fiction. Deep state traitors are trying to box the new administration into confrontational positions.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 11 2024 13:46 utc | 64
1984 all over again, the Winston Smiths at the Washington Post are being their usual creative selves. Trying to shape the agenda.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 11 2024 13:47 utc | 65
The Armed Forces of Ukraine confirm the explosion of the Kurakhovskaya dam, now the logistics of Ukrainian troops are difficult
▪️Aidar militant* Stanislav Bunyatov assures that this was done by Russian fighters, complicating the logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
A number of villages in the direction of Bogatyr were flooded.
"The roads remain usable, but with certain nuances, the movement of armored vehicles on dirt roads around these settlements is of course limited," Bunyatov writes.
▪️The head of the city administration reports that it is not yet possible to inspect the dam due to shelling, but in the villages near the Volchya River, a rise in water is recorded.
▪️Russian sources had previously accused the Armed Forces of blowing up the dam in an attempt to contain the offensive of Russian troops.
Posted by: guest | Nov 11 2024 13:48 utc | 66
wake up barflies and smell the misdirection going on
wapo reports Trump says X
Trump knew it was a lie and played along, why?
Russia says lie now
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Future Trump talk to Putin.....Hey Putin, love ya man...about that fake call to you about Ukraine....well, I needed some red meat to feed to my followers....I hope you understand.....
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2024 13:50 utc | 68
Plan A: Assassination failed.
Plan B: Election cheat failed.
Plan C: Poison the well, lay groundwork for impeachment before he takes office underway
Posted by: Mary | Nov 11 2024 13:54 utc | 69
I heard a Tump strategist on BBC the other night. They are seeking to blame Europe and Biden for losing Ukraine, as follows:
1) He claimed that Europeans did nothing back in 2014 when Russia took Crimea. Now Zeklinsky is demanding return of Crimea in any peace deal. He said US would never support that (implication that US support is ending soon under Trump):
2) He claimed that Biden and NATO failed early in the war to provide adequate weapons to win war (implication: when Russia ends up with not only Crimea but eastern lands, it's all Biden's fault).
This is all the opening rounds of the "who lost Ukraine" recriminations.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 11 2024 14:00 utc | 70
It's one calibrated organism in the service of empire, just like Russia seeks to preserve its inherited empire, and I say uncritically of it (indeed the latter may be significantly more justified), while the US far more devastatingly is creating, via its proxy, Israel, a neo-American and more widely neo-Western colony in the heart of the Middle East: Greater Israel. Of course, a million and half Russian Jews live in Israel but it is the US that controls it and obviously not Russia. Indeed, I find it not at all demographically and politically unlikely that a Greater Israel could be used as a base to control and perhaps even attempt the political dismantling of Russia itself.
Posted by: Ludovic | Nov 11 2024 14:05 utc | 71
Smacks to me of an operation within the Truump circle to out the disloyal. If done correctly, the entire channel that leads to the WAPO is exposed.
Posted by: frithguild | Nov 11 2024 14:07 utc | 72
The fixation of Trump did this, Trump did that, Trump, Trump,......is just pathetic. Biden did this, Biden did that, Biden, Biden,......four years ago is not ending well, is it?
The Washington Post lied habitually, what's so significant this time around? Biden is still the President, real or titular, his goons can still do whatever they want, may be mischievously.
Get a grip.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 11 2024 14:08 utc | 73
First, and most importantly is to never trust anything from MSM and especially anything from the NYT or WaPo. Second, consider the audience. This is an obvious PSYOP but who is the target? Logically, it is the American administration and potentially the American population, specifically the left 50% as the right 50% don't read the WaPo at all. Thus, it is a preparation for something coming later and is IMHO the second phase of a larger PSYOP attack. The first is the false North Korean "invasion". All of this, is to rope Trump into continuing the war Biden will start next month (which war is a larger question). Trump will be playing whack-a-mole once in office and it seems we are already seeing the beginnings of a sophisticated attack on Trump and his administration beginning before he is sworn in. The goal is for American forces to enter Ukraine(or the ME against Iran) in force. Sadly, they don't understand the US has no forces to use for this, and even if they tried it would leave the ME and Asia denuded from sufficient forces. Clearly, the neocons believe their own propaganda. That in of itself is scary.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 11 2024 14:10 utc | 74
neocon, their media propaganda. meant to create narrative vice truth.
floating a peacekeeper force from nato over an 800 mile front in Dneipr region is as wild an idea as Israel and cia install mek over the Tehran government.
Washington post is front the on going neocon psyop.
Posted by: paddy | Nov 11 2024 14:15 utc | 75
Andras, Biden's foreign policy team IS the Cheney team. You say no ties. That's cause they're the same people. The very same. You're not paying attention. Biden has always been a neocon.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 11 2024 14:16 utc | 76
This is all the opening rounds of the "who lost Ukraine" recriminations.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 11 2024 14:00 utc | 70
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Once the blame has been misassigned then what? How does escaping responsibility help going forward?
Structural economic problems have left the USA with a menu of dog food that showmanship cannot hide. Bon Appétit!
There is no cheat code to escape the hard work that awaits. Rejoice. Misfortune builds character.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 11 2024 14:19 utc | 77
Don't give a damn of what is written in Medias at all or is told at TV or Blogs.
As Putin pointed out: the moment of truth is comming. Soon.
And they all know that' s true.
But they can't swallow it and so they are spitting lies at all directions, anywhere in "the west".
Look at Germany where the Agenda2030 is perpetued although it is obvious that it fails. Trump and his puppetiers knows that and are trying to stabelise the US as far it is possible as a strong player in the world. It simply doesn't matter if he did the call or not.
He will call for sure, but later on, when Russia has done the job.
Posted by: ableman | Nov 11 2024 14:19 utc | 78
Reporting it could be preparing the next impeachment. From my memory, Trump got impeached because he made a phone call in Ukraine. My idea of Rachel Maddow tells me that she'll be more than happy to restart the "Russia, Russia, Russia" thing. If this call is accepted as true, I have two element to restart the impeachment thing.
Whether it happened or not is close to irrelevant.
Posted by: Didier Favre | Nov 11 2024 14:22 utc | 79
Bill Wolfe @ 70
Thats interesting, less than an hour ago i was listening to bbc radio 4, an interview with the head of the uk military.
I think reality is catching up with them.
He admited that Ukraine can't now win this war.
He stated that Russia now controls one fith of ukraine.
And that zelinsky's only option is to talk to Ruuia.
He said that short term (before the US president transition) the west should put zelensky in a strongest negotiation position possabe.
I got the feeling relations between US and UK are breaking down fast.
My opinion is the whole western alliance including europe and five eyes is collapsing.
Pass the pop corn.
Expect increased hositiltys on the ground before Jan 20th 2025.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 11 2024 14:22 utc | 80
MOA readers are very astute and sharp. The first place I check every morning.
Main points expressed on this one:
*DS desire to poison the
well.
*Desire to try setting some
agenda.
*Desperation and throwing
anything at the new power.
I will add one thing. This appears very shoddy and impossible to believe for anyone with scant knowledge of the SMO. So it is a panicky wild swing aimed for the shallowest of ignorant audience. To me, it is showing how totally fragmented and disunited the outgoing team is becoming.
More than two months left until the changeover. Much can happen yet.
Decades where nothing happens and weeks where decades happen.
Tick
Tick.
Tick..
Tick...
Tick....
Tick.....
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Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 11 2024 14:22 utc | 81
What is with Europeans talking about well poisoning? If the WaPo or the NYT were regarded as non-enemies by even half of Americans, Donald Trump wouldn't be President today.
If Presidents Trump or Putin can be thrown off course by the ranting lies of fringe Jewish idiots, peace never had much of a chance.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 11 2024 14:23 utc | 82
Herman, you're not wrong. Trump has yet to file his papers to receive classified Intel updates. He's yet to pledge to uphold the Constitution. He's a month late on when this should have begun, and now he can't appoint anyone till he's signed the oath. Until then he's in a funny spot.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 11 2024 14:25 utc | 83
the war Biden will start next month
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 11 2024 14:10 utc | 74
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Its too late to start anything in Europe but collapse. Look at the situation in Germany.
This morning's conference from the AfD ==> https://youtu.be/_Jz5bjQnp1I
1€/kWh energy price! That is untenable.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 11 2024 14:29 utc | 84
Trump represents a true and unacceptable threat to the major powers that run the US. They could not defeat Trump at the ballot box, so plan B is to prevent Trump and JD Vance from taking office.
Therefore, the official narratives will continue as planned -- prepare the public for war with Russia (and Iran). The WaPo story serves this purpose.
Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 11 2024 14:30 utc | 85
There is one thing I remain suspicious of and find somewhat implausible. A panoramic picture has been painted for us by the main stream media that the Bilderbergers, the Illuminati, the Deep State, the Davos crowd, and all the bad guys on earth can't get a wink of sleep out of fear of the founder of Trump University.
Posted by: chunga | Nov 11 2024 14:30 utc | 86
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 11 2024 14:22 utc | 80
Expect increased hositiltys on the ground before Jan 20th 2025.
I guess you mean increased hostilities on the swamp ground.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 11 2024 14:38 utc | 87
Old Microbiologist@74.... FUKUS will never put National boots on the ground in 404 as part of NATO, that's a declaration of war. Russia will never put boots on the ground in NATO countries, that would be a declaration of war also.....by now, as we see, no one wants real in your face war. The SMO skirmish in 404 suits everyone to a t. And the best part from coffin linings to payed up graves, it's a very lucrative business even for average Joe undertakers......and if you're a body part snatcher or a bio fluid collector.....well, big bucks.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 11 2024 14:40 utc | 88
Bezos is one of Trumps oligarch buddies.
"Big badass Trump threatens evil Putler with military force!"
Sounds like a cool story.
Super halfgod Trump is already fixing the ukraine problem in a flash just as he promised, and he's not even president!
This BS article is in line with previous Bezos decisions showing the Wapo rag is now just a mouthpiece for the Bezos/Trump empires.
Example:
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 11 2024 14:45 utc | 89
One starting point is to make the obvious assumption that none of Ukraine’s loans are going to be repaid.
Ukraine does not have the money.
Ukraine has no workforce.
Ukraine has no potential customers for any business.
The tax base has gone.
Ukraine’s debts are; (it can argued) odious, and were forced on it by fraud and lies, and agreed by corrupt politicians.
Is Ukraine bring given grants or ‘loans’ that everybody knows will never be repaid.?
How many Banks in Europe, (including UK) are holding worthless Ukrainian bits of paper.?
Money controls the media.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 11 2024 14:45 utc | 90
These days, journalism is practiced by just making sh*t up, and in this case, it was made up by the CIA/Intelligence propagandists....Probably as a lame attempt to kneecap the real talks...
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 11 2024 14:53 utc | 91
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and French President Emmanuel Macron will once again ask US President Joe Biden to allow Kyiv to attack targets deep in Russia with Western weapons, the Telegraph reported on Sunday.
Kremlin denies: No phone call between Trump and Putin
Kremlin denies: No phone call between Trump and Putin
Britain and France have given Ukraine a number of Storm Shadow/SCALP guided missiles. The US, which supplies some components for the long-range European weapons, can therefore have a say in how they are used. Biden has repeatedly rejected requests from Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky to allow attacks in the Russian hinterland, which Moscow says would seriously escalate the conflict.
According to the Telegraph's sources, the leaders of Britain and France want to make a "last attempt" to achieve a change in the outgoing president's policy in order to "thwart Donald Trump's efforts to reduce US support for Ukraine". The Republican politician will take office on January 20 after winning the US presidential election last week.
"We are very keen to make sure we make the most of the time between now and January 20 and not just put everything on hold until the new administration is in place," a senior Whitehall source told the British newspaper.
Trump said during his campaign that he could end the Ukraine conflict "in 24 hours" if elected for a second term. He reportedly intends to put pressure on both sides to force Kyiv and Moscow to compromise.
Kyiv claims it can turn the tide on the battlefield by attacking targets deep inside Russia with long-range Western weapons. Over the weekend, Ukrainians launched dozens of kamikaze drones toward Moscow for the first time in months, but they failed to cause serious damage, according to Russian officials.
Western missiles are more effective than Ukrainian drones and can produce better results, Zelensky has previously argued to explain why he is seeking donors' permission for such attacks.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that his government would treat any attack such as that envisioned by Kyiv and its supporters as an attack by the state that supplied the weapons. Moscow would respond to such an escalation accordingly, Putin said.
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Posted by: ossi | Nov 11 2024 14:55 utc | 92
"How many Banks in Europe, (including UK) are holding worthless Ukrainian bits of paper.?"
Good question...probably most of them..We are seeing the beginnings of the Granddaddy of all financial crises...Europe has gone all-in on the biggest losing bet in history...
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 11 2024 14:57 utc | 93
1.) They lie for practice.
2.) You have to front-run real-reality to make your own reality.
3.) It's their job.
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Clearly, the neocons believe their own propaganda. That in of itself is scary.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 11 2024 14:10 utc | 74
Yeah, I fail to see that we have the "force" to do much. I keep wondering who is going to cash the checks these clowns keep writing on our supposed military prowess.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 11 2024 14:58 utc | 94
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 11 2024 14:45 utc | 90
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Ukraine has no money...RIGHT!
And it doesn't need it...gas/oil/lithium/black earth is enough.
The only reason why THE WEST is pushing for a ceasefire is because of the trillions of dollars invested by Blackrock and others which would be lost if Putin continues and Ukraine might even capitulate...THAT MUST NEVER HAPPEN!
The stock market would possibly collapse if trillions of investors' dollars suddenly disappeared into the black earth of Ukraine, the black earth which would then belong to Russia. Russia would also then financially overtake EVERY other country in the world in the cultivation of grain...not to mention uranium/lithium/gas/oil/steel/coal!
Posted by: ossi | Nov 11 2024 15:04 utc | 95
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 11 2024 14:57 utc | 93
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As I said...in the event of Ukraine's capitulation
the stock market will not only fluctuate...IT will collapse!
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Ukraine has no money...RIGHT!
And it doesn't need it...gas/oil/lithium/black earth is enough.
The only reason why THE WEST is pushing for a ceasefire is because of the trillions of dollars invested by Blackrock and others which would be lost if Putin continues and Ukraine might even capitulate...THAT MUST NEVER HAPPEN!
The stock market would possibly collapse if trillions of investors' dollars suddenly disappeared into the black earth of Ukraine, the black earth which would then belong to Russia. Russia would also then financially overtake EVERY other country in the world in the cultivation of grain...not to mention uranium/lithium/gas/oil/steel/coal!
Posted by: ossi | Nov 11 2024 15:07 utc | 96
*DS desire to poison the
well.
*Desire to try setting some
agenda.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 11 2024 14:22 utc | 81
My first thought is that the Democrats (and the part of the dark side they represent) are aware that a Trump-Putin talk will take place and want to
- prove/present Trump (the traitor) as willing and rushing to contact Putin
- try to influence the framework of the Trump-Russia Ukraine discussion by stressing the presence of US troops in Europe as a no US-concessions warning.
Since Jeff Bezos decided that the Washinton Post would not endorse any of the presidential candidates the publication of this lie about the Trump-Putin phone call may be his compensation for not endorsing KHarris.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/28/jeff-bezos-washington-post-endorsements
Jeff Bezos defends Washington Post's end to election endorsements - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8dmq8p54zdo
Posted by: JB | Nov 11 2024 15:08 utc | 97
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 11 2024 14:45 utc | 89 at least this doesn't forget that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post and that matters. The bizarre assumption that the Post is simply "Deep State" is yet another symptom of the fundamental stupidity of the whole notion, so far as I can tell. I think the ruling class is the "Deep State" insofar as the phrase can be assigned any genuine meaning. Most of the speculations about the nefarious motives and plans fail miserably on two other grounds. First, the intervention is too ambiguous, the meaning too uncertain, to clearly interpret the intent. Second, the assumption that this little item matters very much is wrong. It can't be "poisoning the well" because it takes more than a single drop of poison to poison a well. If even Novichok can't reliably kill its targets, then weak stuff like this can't. (The reference to Novichok was sarcasm.)
There is by the way the possibility that somebody felt like pranking the Post and embarrassing them.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 11 2024 15:10 utc | 98
Quite simple. This the usual scaremongering from the military industrial complex who fears the notion of Trump making peace in the Ukraine. Russia is still seen as "Bad & Evil."
I think this will backfire on the WaPo. I think A LOT OF US citizens do want peace in the Ukraine and that all the money spent on arms sale to the Ukraine should have been used in the US itself.
Posted by: WMG | Nov 11 2024 15:10 utc | 99
@ too scents 10
"Friedrich Merz, who is leading in the "polls" to become the next Chancellor, was formally chairman of Blackrock Germany's supervisory board."
Wow! I had no idea and I think Merz's identity hsan't been covered on any site I vist - except here.anywhere else. This is why MoA is so valuable. Thanks, too scents.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 11 2024 15:10 utc | 100
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What is certain is that Trump will not wait till his inauguration to move on Ukraine. On the other hand, a possible motive for a fakenews would be to energize forces against any change of Western policy there.
Posted by: robespyros | Nov 11 2024 11:11 utc | 1