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November 25, 2024
Washington Post Calls For Selective (Non-)Prosecution Of War Crimes

The Washington Post editors are trying to exceed the immense hypocrisy 'western' leaders usually display towards against the rest of the world.

The Post declares that the International Criminal Court is the wrong place to hold Israel, and its leaders, to account for war crimes.

Opinion – The International Criminal Court is not the venue to hold Israel to account (archived) – Washington Post
The ICC is needed to help resolve war crimes in Russia, Sudan, Myanmar. Targeting Israel makes that harder.

The argument the piece tries to make is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the courts judgment:

Israel is not a member of the ICC, and the warrants will have limited practical effect, except possibly preventing Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Gallant from traveling to countries which have pledged to enforce it.

The war crimes Netanyahu and Gallant are accused of are happening Palestine, outside of Israel's recognized borders. Palestine is a state party of the Rome Statute. The ICC thus has jurisdiction over what happens on its ground. The (im-)practicality of the court's decision is not an argument against it.

But the arrest orders undermine the ICC’s credibility and give credence to accusations of hypocrisy and selective prosecution. The ICC is putting the elected leaders of a democratic country with its own independent judiciary in the same category as dictators and authoritarians who kill with impunity.

The prosecution and the pre-trial court have found a strong likelihood that Israel is committing war crimes and genocide. To not prosecute those crimes against Israeli citizens because the country claims(!) to be democratic and to have its own independent judiciary would be "hypocrisy and selective prosecution".

By doing the opposite, by prosecuting Israeli citizens, the court is attempting to apply justice equally. The Post defies logic when it claims otherwise.

The Post editors go on to willfully misunderstand the Rome statute which forms the courts legal basis.

Israel needs to be held accountable for its military conduct in Gaza. After the conflict’s end — which is long overdue — there will no doubt be Israeli judicial, parliamentary and military commissions of inquiry. Israeli’s vibrant, independent media will do its own investigations.

The ICC is supposed to become involved when countries have no means or mechanisms to investigate themselves. That is not the case in Israel.

The highlighted claims is false. Israel has used the argument that its own courts would, somewhere down the road,  handle the issue when it tried to prevent the arrest warrants and to get the cases deferred.

The court's ruling explicitly referred to that:

The Chamber ruled on two requests submitted by the Israel on 26 September 2024. […] In the second request, Israel requested that the Chamber order the Prosecution to provide a new notification of the initiation of an investigation to its authorities under article 18(1) of the Statute. Israel also requested the Chamber to halt any proceedings before the Court in the relevant situation, including the consideration of the applications for warrants of arrest for Mr Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr Yoav Gallant, submitted by the Prosecution on 20 May 2024.

The court found that the Israeli request to defer, in effect an attempt to shut down the proceedings, is premature:

Furthermore, the Chamber considered that pursuant to article 19(1) of the Statute, States are not entitled to challenge the Court’s jurisdiction under article 19(2) prior to the issuance of a warrant of arrest. Thus Israel’s challenge is premature. This is without prejudice to any future possible challenges to the Court’s jurisdiction and/or admissibility of any particular case.

The Washington Post editors do not even try to refute the courts argument. They can't.

They admit though that Israel, acting with impunity, is deliberately causing a famine:

Israel also has a responsibility to allow humanitarian aid to reach the millions of Palestinians displaced and suffering from an acute food shortage bordering on famine. On this, the Israeli government has fallen short.

[A] Post analysis found that Israel has largely failed to comply with the U.S. government’s three main demands — a surge of humanitarian aid, not a trickle; access to Gaza for commercial trucks; and an end to Israeli’s siege of populated northern Gaza.

Despite acknowledging Israel's culpability for that war crime, the editors ignore its relevance for the court's case.

They, instead, threaten the court with presidential actions:

The ill-considered arrest warrants against Israel only give Mr. Trump a new reason to halt American cooperation with the court, at a time when it’s needed for Russia, Sudan, Myanmar and conflicts elsewhere that atrocities are being committed with impunity and the victims have no other recourse.

The Post, despite its hostility to Trump, seems to welcome any action he might take against the court.

Pointing to other cases that may deserve (or not) the attention of the court is not an argument, but whataboutism writ large.

Comments

It was heading that way anyway due to the economics profession that represented both EU expansion and NATO expansion . However, 9/11 changed everything and that was when the Western media became a single organisation.
Anybody working in the Western media was told you are now on board or you are out. This new global organisation was so organised for what was going to happen in Ukraine, it proved what happened in Ukraine was planned by the West.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 26 2024 10:33 utc | 101

“Israel needs to be held accountable for its military conduct in Gaza. After the conflict’s end — which is long overdue — there will no doubt be Israeli judicial, parliamentary and military commissions of inquiry. Israeli’s vibrant, independent media will do its own investigations.”

In the telegraphing of the correct Western intel talking points for the rest of the MSM to disseminate to the masses, I’m astonished they don’t simply describe Israeli actions as ‘genocide-lite’.

“The ICC is putting the elected leaders of a democratic country with its own independent judiciary in the same category as dictators and authoritarians who kill with impunity.”

As barflies Exile (43) & Ed Bernays (45) have already commented, the show trial of Slobodan Milošević illuminated the entire ICC raison d’être from the start: to punish only those who refuse to kneel. That’s why you’ll never see the Latin legal maxim ‘Fiat justitia ruat caelum’ inscribed above the doors of the ICC in the Hague (Let justice be done though the heavens fall).

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Nov 26 2024 10:51 utc | 102

It’s becoming clearer day by day that international organizations, such as ICC, ICJ and UN itself, while possibly inspired by great ideals, were only a smoke mirror to cover the worst actions of the west.
Actually, control from the west on this institutions is vanishing so now they are no more useful and must be criticized and probably dismantled.
Nice thing is that the west is shooting itself in the foot by doing so.
No more Colin Powell in UN with fake proofs, no more ‘Hey look, we told you Putin is evil, see ya, ICC is going to prosecute him’.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 26 2024 11:11 utc | 103

“The International Criminal Court is not the venue to hold Israel to account”
By the Editorial Board
Members of the Editorial Board: Opinion Editor David Shipley, …
David Shipley:
Oh, look, it’s a jew!
*lol*

Posted by: cortomaltese | Nov 26 2024 11:40 utc | 104

What many “normies” who walk about their daily life in a trance, fail to grasp is the economic theories of the EU project, are fundamentally based on the politics of NATO expansion.
Those with real power didn’t even try to hide the fact and said it many times on live TV in the 90’s. William F. Buckley Jr firing line brainwashed a generation of Americans.
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lUH4RzAofv8&pp=ygUuY2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgaGl0Y2hlbnMgYW5kIHdpbGxpYW0gZi4gYnVja2xleSBqcg%3D%3D
9/11 accelerated that project at an alarming rate. So here we are now living in a world of bullshit. Where yet another billionaire bought the news to sell his conservative ideology.
Geopolitics is now at the heart of every day life.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 26 2024 11:52 utc | 105

Zargo wins his inaugural ‘Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today”:
“The logic of b’s argument is sound. He must also then be in favor of the prosecutions of Putin et all..”
Posted by: Zargo | Nov 25 2024 22:48 utc | 70

Posted by: canuck | Nov 26 2024 12:27 utc | 106

For those who were too young to witness it and only got fed the revisionist stories about Yugoslavia,
I found the brilliant documentary on the Milosevic Kangaroo trial.
When journalists still did their job.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7BDAC240E2E0905A

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 26 2024 13:27 utc | 107

Found the documentary on the Milosevic trial.
When journalist would/could still do their job…
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7BDAC240E2E0905A

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 26 2024 14:01 utc | 108

I am not interested in what any court of law has to say. All courts, without exception, are subject to influence by the state(s) that finance them.
The important thing is that we have a massive amount of evidence of the evil behaviour of the Jews occupying Palestine. The 6 million story is unravelling right in front of us.
These evil people should never be allowed to control the media, politics, banking, finance, Hollywood, publishing, the internet, the porn industry, child-trafficking, organ harvesting, various slave trades and much else.

Posted by: Alfred (Hurghada) | Nov 26 2024 14:45 utc | 109

I watched “Speer und Er” over the weekend. It was fascinating to see how nothing has changed. In one remarkable scene Speer shows the Führer plans for Germania and how the center of Berlin would be emptied of Jews for this new city center. If you substituted the word “Palestinians” for “Jews” you arrive at what is happening today. I am not hopeful about the future: the total refusal of honest appraisal of the conflicts now in progress leads me to think we will all go together when we go.

Posted by: Stierlitz | Nov 26 2024 14:56 utc | 110

Posted by: snake | Nov 26 2024 6:40 utc | 94 This is incorrect. The Bill of Rights does not uphold any rights of citizens against the states. That’s why some states still had an established church despite the First Amendment. (Connecticut for one I think.) There is the reservation to “the people” of rights not expressly stated according to the Ninth Amendment. But this is ambiguous since the Tenth Amendment reserves powers not expressly delegated to “the States respectively, or to the people.” That’s how so-called pro-life legal theorists justify denying a right to an abortion, because it’s not expressly mentioned, despite the plain wording of the Ninth Amendment. Trump’s call to reserve abortion rights to states is an implicit denial of the Ninth Amendment. It is instead the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments that extended federal endorsement of the people’s rights as superior to the individual states. Trump again stands for the practical termination of the Fourteenth Amendment (aiming first at birth right citizenship.) I forget if this commenter is a dedicated Trumper, but no Trumper is as left wing as even the Framers. They were a conservative phase of the American Revolution, reacting against the popular social revolution that has been carefully forgotten by conservatives. In a way they were similar to the Directory in the Great French Revolution. Trumpers are more like the restored monarchy.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 1:05 utc | 79 WH Harrison was nicknamed “Tippecanoe,” which many see as an atrocity, an unprovoked attack on Prophet’s Town. (If I remember correctly the name comes from the nearby river.) A quibble I know, but I’m compulsive.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 26 2024 15:41 utc | 111

ICC is dead as a recognized entity beyond a tool of the Western “liberal” ORDER.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 26 2024 15:44 utc | 112

@ steven t johnson @ 15:41
1. wrt state establisment of churches in the USA Wikipedia (yeah, I know) has this:

At the time of the passage of the Bill of Rights, many states acted in ways that would now be held unconstitutional. All the early official state churches were disestablished by 1833 (Massachusetts), including the Congregationalist establishment in Connecticut. It is commonly accepted that under the doctrine of Incorporation—which uses the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to hold the Bill of Rights applicable to the states—these state churches could not be reestablished today.

2. Tippecanoe preceded WH Harrison’s presidency, n’est-ce pas?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 15:53 utc | 113

@ steven t johnson @ 15:41
1. wrt state establisment of churches in the USA Wikipedia (yeah, I know) has this:

At the time of the passage of the Bill of Rights, many states acted in ways that would now be held unconstitutional. All the early official state churches were disestablished by 1833 (Massachusetts), including the Congregationalist establishment in Connecticut. It is commonly accepted that under the doctrine of Incorporation—which uses the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to hold the Bill of Rights applicable to the states—these state churches could not be reestablished today.

2. Tippecanoe preceded WH Harrison’s presidency, n’est-ce pas?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 15:53 utc | 114

Alfred (Hurghada) | Nov 26 2024 14:45 utc | 109
“The 6 million story”:
I’m using here just dates and facts from (Jewish owned) Wikipedia:
They said from the beginning that 6m Jews died, Auschwitz was the biggest concentration camp, there the most Jews died.
After WW2 they calculated 2.5m – 4m Jewish deaths alone in Auschwitz, which derived from a statement of A. Eichmann, who spoke of 2.5m killed Jews there.
In the 90ies these numbers changed and became more realistic, today we reckon officially with 1m Jewish deaths in Auschwitz.
But the number of 6m dead never changed, did they forget to count 3m deaths somewhere else in the beginning?
(“How many victims do we need to get our own state? One million? – No, that’s too low, let’s say 6 million. – Yes, that’s a good number, enough to give us Israel.”)
That’s just ONE of hundreds of flaws in the story, that everyone can understand just with logic and common sense.
What no one understands, how people can come up with such a walloping lie.

Posted by: cortomaltese | Nov 26 2024 15:57 utc | 115

All that dressing up in robes and wigs and all that practice and its all make believe. The whole basis of the court was the holocaust and now its happening again but there is no enforcement. Anarchy is revealed. While the reality of the anarchy changes nothing the pretense of justice being revealed will change things. Societies need justice to function. Pressure is building and how and where it is used or vents remains to be seen but the only way to dissipate it is justice and that is not occurring. The very basis for societal norms is destroyed by condoning genocide. WaPo article advocates these courts get back in line as powerless dress up parties. ICC and ICJ apparently didnt know they were a dress up party and WaPo is informing them.

Posted by: Fred | Nov 26 2024 16:03 utc | 116

@Alfred (Hurghada) | Nov 26 2024 14:45 utc | 109
The evil is real but it exists because the anglosaxon power structure needs to control the worlds financiers so they dont join any kind of win win with the rivals of that anglosaxon power.
This has been in Britains elites planning since they first began to plan for having an empire in the late 1500s. And the whole idea of handing over the finance to a numerically small group doesnt happen because of any recognisable independent power in that small group but from its weakness, its vulnerability sometimes explicitly explained by the british long after the jews had been allowed to assimilate in Britain. When the empire first was being sketched out Britains aim was to coopt the jews and to prevent that they played a similar role with the rivals.
Those rivals like Spain, the Habsburgs had ties with an ancient oligarchy with Venice as an intermediate stage. But Britain also had old ties with that oligarchy connected with the events following the battle of Hastings.
The jews as a separate entity seems to have been employed by that much older oligarchy in a similar way. It meant an influence over finances but also a need for a strong partner protecting it. This context is never explained by those who attempt to tell us about history. I believe this lack of analysis depends on the bias of the anglosaxon side and the lack of independent critical thinking among all those who follow the lead of the anglosaxons. Both their elites and the grassroots. Not many innocents in that lot.
We see a world in which the anglosaxon -led world is successfully seing its desired moves being played out with its pawns on the chessboard like the oligarchy has probably done for millenia.
The oligarchy knows it needs to prepare this game by creating the necessary cults and has probably done so since the oligarchy first emerged. In the last few hundred years Britains universities and intellectual elites have been crucial for the purpose and the cult creation machinery has created bit of a selfplaying piano.
People today are not more intelligent than those who critisised this evil centuries ago. Quite the opposite. A lot is hidden for us today.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 26 2024 16:12 utc | 117

@ Posted by: cortomaltese | Nov 26 2024 11:40 utc | 104
“..By the Editorial Board
Members of the Editorial Board: Opinion Editor David Shipley, …”
Is ot a Jewisig name? Is he? Would it be relevant? If he was an out and out Ziofascist that would be a slam dunk. He sounds more deep state than anything else. A career that ranges from being Clinton (Bill) speech writer to a life of ‘making opinions for the mainstream media narratives.
Not long ago we had to deal with the WP Opinion on Not endorsing Dems in the Election.
When I did point out it was now a Murdoch Stable mouthpiece along with its English Knight Editorial Thug.
So no one can be surprised about what comes out of the Editorial Board (or any msm media in recent decades) no matter how independent of the Owner and News Editors they claim to be.
The most interesting factoid about Shipley in a sparce Wiki is that he was actually married to Naomi Wolf ! The Assange Sipporting, Deepstate criticising, Covid conspiracist…(you gotta love a gal that pisses of so Mandy establishment and sheepdogs over the decades).
She had the good sense to dump the lickspittle! Still gathering a lot of flak for her CT accusations – must have picked up a lot of DS crap from hubby’s erm pillow talk?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 26 2024 16:36 utc | 118

The ruble is collapsing. Down 3.6% on the day, 3% last Friday. Russia can still lose if they prove unable to manage their financial system, even if they win on the battlefield.

Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 26 2024 17:25 utc | 119

“The ICC is needed to help resolve war crimes in Russia…”
At least they admit that Ukrainian is Russian🤣

Posted by: Wæsfjord | Nov 26 2024 17:31 utc | 120

Cortomaltese @115
Like all deniers of the figure of 6 million Jewish deaths during the WWII era, you select one thin historical truth—that fewer than that number of Jewish people actually died in the gas chambers-to mean that the total of six million Jews did not die. Read more history—most were killed in outright pogroms in the towns that they lived in and by starvation and disease in their home villages, in labor camps and elsewhere, such as in the Warsaw ghetto. The Wikipedia article notes that upwards of two million Jewish Soviet citizens were simply shot during the German invasion. The fact remains that after the war, 2/3 of the known pre-war Jewish population of Europe was gone. It’s simple math. If one wants to argue that that not only Jews suffered a holocaust in that war, that would be true. For example, 27 million Soviet citizens died during that war—a million or more of these were Jews….

Posted by: mjh | Nov 26 2024 18:02 utc | 121

O/T
If the use of long range weapons meant US involvement in the Ukraine war, why are the Republicans not moving for Biden’s impeachment?

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 26 2024 18:18 utc | 122

Posted by: Zargo | Nov 25 2024 22:48 utc | 70
The one ICC mandate everybody in Washington found wonderful… It extended ICC suing power to countries that didn’t ratified the Rome status. Did you ever hears about the “jurisprudence” concept ? It bites back.
Funny enough this ICC mandate is based upon children “abducted by Putin” …who were mostly found back living with one of their parents around western Europe , mostly in Germany since. So it was “phony” to say the least.
But I’m sure that if ICC drop the charges against Putin, the same Washington’s retards whining about Bibi’s indictment will pressure the ICC for the charges not to be dropped.
As we says in France : “La justice nique sa mère ! Le dernier juge que j’ai vu avait plus de vices que le dealer de ma rue ! ”

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 26 2024 18:19 utc | 123

Posted by: Zargo | Nov 25 2024 22:48 utc | 70
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“ Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute)”
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So you are not able to make a difference between a fully politically motivated decision against VVP and a fully demonstrated culpability of Netanyahu and Galand?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/17/7451586/
161 children’s reportedly abducted by Russia and sent in Ukraine found in Germany. The source is Ukrainian…

Posted by: scc | Nov 26 2024 18:21 utc | 124

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 26 2024 16:12 utc | 117
Excellent summary !
And yet, there are those amoung us at the bar who want to take everybody back there. To a world of gold and replace the government with banks. Who don’t realise they are on the wrong side. Who actually believe and have convinced themselves they are on the side of liberty and freedom.
Petergrfstrm What’s the very first thing these gangsters you describe so well take away from countries ?
That’s right – their fiat sovereign currency.
What’s the 2nd thing these gangsters you describe so well take away from countries ?
That’s right – their freedom and ability to pay, by loading them up with foreign coin debt. The very thing they can no longer issue.
It amazes me every day that those amoung us, still can’t see they are on the wrong side of both freedom and liberty. After all, they always claim to be libertarian first and foremost before anything else. It is very clear to me some ideologue they followed or listened to. Filled their heads with poison.
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rzGP1Q7PG_4

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 26 2024 18:23 utc | 125

mjh | Nov 26 2024 18:02 utc | 121
“after the war, 2/3 of the known pre-war Jewish population of Europe was gone”:
that’s debatable, and has actually nothing to do with math
We all know, if a political agenda is involved, people lie with numbers, and the most common lies are death tolls, because they are so hard to prove and so easy to fake. E.g. around a year ago U.vd. Leyen talked about losses of UA and RF in Ukrainian war, and numbered them losses of 100.000 men for both sides.
Which is ofc a blatant lie, and shall cover that Western countries use UAF soldiers as cannon fodder for their own war.
Math is the following:
If you speak constantly about 6m dead, but the death rate of the biggest conc. camp is reduced from 3m to 1m.
There is some obvious contradiction (which has nothing to do with gas chambers or anyth else, sry, it’s the number of all deaths).
THAT IS SIMPLE MATH.
Now you can try to talk around it and relativise and explain as much as you want,
everyone just knows that you try to save this old story at all costs, BECAUSE PEOPLE MUST BELIEVE IT!
The existence of Israel is at stake here!
I’m sorry, they did enough harm already, it’s time to get the truth out.

Posted by: cortomaltese | Nov 26 2024 18:35 utc | 126

Apropos war in Ukraine:
What have Zelensky, his mentor and maker Kolomoisky, and George Soros, who started the whole thing in 2004 by infiltrating UA with his NED (Orange Revolution),
what do they have in common?
lol

Posted by: cortomaltese | Nov 26 2024 18:56 utc | 127

@ cortomaltese | Nov 26 2024 18:35 utc | 126
I’m not seeing how the existence or legitimacy of the Zionist entity is contingent on a certain number of Shoah victims.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 18:56 utc | 128

A simple proposition: The hasbarat troll posts cryptofascist anti-Semitic comments to discredit MoA, including our host. The hasbara defending the Zionist project as justified have their words promoted by government figures, academic administrators, the wealthy…they don’t waste time here. Only enthusiastic true believers care to argue with nobodies.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 26 2024 19:26 utc | 129

ICC should go after the City of London and other banking families for 300+ years of theft, murder and destruction, for those are the real culprits. Netanyahu, Biden, Macron, Trump, Starmer et al, are just foot soldiers.
Of course that’s just fantasy. This planet is doomed.
Like the song says:
Calling all Angels
This is star sea command
We have mis-used our free will
We’ve messed with the plan
We are falling….lost in the garden……..

Posted by: Alpi | Nov 26 2024 19:31 utc | 130

Will the last person to leave the WaPo subscriber list please turn the lights out?

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Nov 26 2024 19:52 utc | 131

“ICC should go after the City of London and other banking families for 300+ years of theft, murder and destruction, for those are the real culprits. Netanyahu, Biden, Macron, Trump, Starmer et al, are just foot soldiers.”
Posted by: Alpi | Nov 26 2024 19:31 utc | 130
Thank you for stating the true enemy.
Well at least some of us understand the true dynamics of the Global conflict while others erroneously believe the USA is Sovereign and independant..

Posted by: canuck | Nov 26 2024 20:34 utc | 132

I still subscribe to the Washington Post. Since I live in the DC area, its local news section is of interest to me.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 26 2024 20:51 utc | 133

The WP argues that ICC should not investigate because Israel should be investigated by its own legal system which legalized: land and natural resources grab; land looting; ethnic cleansing; punitive house demolitions; forcible transfer; interrogation of children under torture 1/
https://x.com/PeruginiNic/status/1860961897027149977
The WP argues that ICC should not investigate because Israel should be investigated by its own legal system which legalized: confiscation of dead bodies; denial of family visits; apartheid planning; deportation; use of white phosphorous; apartheid wall; starvation 2/2
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1860994714251526611
Tiberius @ecomarxi
This is fucking insane. The editor of this newspaper should be in jail.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 26 2024 8:39 utc | 97
===============
You forgot to mention:
resource theft.
Natural gas is the big elephant in the corner in this whole screwed-up narrative, a plot whose main driver is ethnosupremacy (whether seen as “good” or “bad”).
Sure, it started out that way—easy-peasy! just ethnic=cleanse the country, then steal the land, agricultural enterprises, infrastructure, and businesses, and also appropriate the regional culture—but along the way large hydrocarbon reserves were discovered in offshore Gaza and I believe the Golan Heights. Possibly even under the Gaza ground.
https://unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves
So, blow up Nord Stream; sell Europe “Israeli” gas.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 26 2024 21:21 utc | 134

If one wants to argue that that not only Jews suffered a holocaust in that war, that would be true. For example, 27 million Soviet citizens died during that war—a million or more of these were Jews….
Posted by: mjh | Nov 26 2024 18:02 utc | 121
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I agree with you. Auschwitz is as fetishized (whether by hagiographers or debunkers) as the 6 million figure.
Among the seldom mentioned millions obliterated in the inferno of WW2: German civilians both within Germany and the extended Reich and, most notably, diaspora Germans (estimates of diaspora Germans’ lives lost in the aftermath of WW2 range up to 2 million).

Posted by: Jane | Nov 26 2024 21:37 utc | 135

John Kiriakou: Sebastian Gorka is Back
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/11/26/john-kiriakou-sebastian-gorka-is-back/
“Sebastian Gorka is back. US president-elect Donald Trump last week named Gorka as the administration’s ‘terrorism czar’ on the National Security Council.
This time around, Trump has elected to ignore the FBI security clearance vetting process for the sworn member of Vitezi Rend, a Hungarian group that served under the Nazis.
Gorka has been largely silent since the election. He has only given interviews to his old friend and colleague Steve Bannon and, he says, he provided Israel with advice on how to confront Hamas. What was that advice?
‘Kill every single one of them. God bless Israel. God bless Judeo-Christian civilization.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 26 2024 23:23 utc | 136

We are all shamed by the existence of a genocide during these lives we are living. “Never again”, “banality of Evil” and all that.
Aaron Bushnell said enough and no more need be said.

Posted by: Bagration | Nov 27 2024 3:44 utc | 137

The US’ government mouthpiece/paper of record must push the narrative they are pushing. The US is complicit in the genocide occurring in Palestine at the hands of Israel. It is very much in the US national interest to sideline, as much as possible, the genocide charges against Israel because of US complicity. The US and Israel may not be signatories to the Rome Statutes but they are not immune to world public opinion. This makes doing business with America problematic. It makes US’ foreign policy problematic, and it certainly makes domestic politics problematic. IMO it is very much in the US national interest to cut Israel loose, and to end it’s political and monetary aid to a barbaric country that has no respect for the lives of anyone other than Jews.

Posted by: rgl | Nov 27 2024 5:22 utc | 138

Graham also threatened a secondary sanction of criticising your curtains.

Posted by: horseguards | Nov 27 2024 6:27 utc | 139

Opinion – The International Criminal Court is not the venue to hold Israel to account (archived) – Washington Post
The correct venue, presumably, is Washington D.C. where Netanyahu (and Gallant) can get cheers with no end, except a very small minority in Congress that exists to attest that USA is a vibrant democracy, while WP serves as the proof that this vibrant democracy has free media.
As everybody knows, that vibrant democracy made a splendid job prosecuting crimes like torture, meticulously imposing mild penalties for those with a rank below sergeant, totally sparing the top decision makers that in a less vibrant system could be accountable.
Back to the topic at hand. Israel is a theocracy with two parallel cults: one based on Torah, the other on the military. So however vibrant the media may be, military and political leaders making military decision have a higher chance to die in a volcanic explosion than getting a week in jail for crimes against humanity.
AS IT SHOULD BE, the decision maker inside WP would say.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 27 2024 6:30 utc | 140

Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 25 2024 16:25 utc | 12
Strange how all the queers in politics are also the most reactionary/hysterical. This is certainly the case here in England. Similarly, the non-whites. Perhaps they feel the need to over-emphasise to compensate for an inferiority complex. Or maybe they are all just fuckin’ unreconstructed.

Posted by: horseguards | Nov 27 2024 6:34 utc | 141

Of course the Washington Post doesn’t want the ICC to prosecute Israel.
If the ICC were not a kangaroo court (which it is), it would have had to prosecute America and its allies for their criminal wars–like the aggression against Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and phony War on Terrorism in general.
This is not to mention America’s arming, bankrolling, and likely even *participating* in the Gaza Genocide with US “boots on the ground.” According to a friend of Aaron Bushnell, the latter had access to intelligence data that showed American troops have been fighting in Palestine and involved in the genocide of Palestinians.
Aaron Bushnell was privy to confidential ‘intelligence data’ on US operations in Gaza, friend makes sensational claim
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/aaron-bushnell-was-privy-to-confidential-intelligence-data-on-us-operations-in-gaza-friend-makes-sensational-claim-101709105818124.html

Posted by: ak74 | Nov 27 2024 8:20 utc | 142

I’m amazed but not surprised at how NATO presents Israel’s defeat to Hezbollah as a win. Despite killing a few Hezbollah leaders, the group is very much intact and will not leave southern Lebanon. There’s nothing more Israel can do. IDF was trapped inside Lebanon facing annihilation when USA and France came to the rescue.

Posted by: Jason | Nov 27 2024 10:26 utc | 143

Netunyahu is not just guilty of war crimes against innocent Palestinians but the Jews as well. It is obvious at this point he allowed the October 7th attack to have an excuse to go to war. I support the state of Isreal but not Netanyahu’s tactics.

Posted by: Fortuna | Nov 27 2024 12:55 utc | 144

@John Gilberts @Nov 26 2024 23:23 utc #136
Gorka actually went on and walked off on Going Underground after such corkers as “There is no genocide in Gaza”:
https://rumble.com/v5pjq0z-heated-exchange-trumps-ex-deputy-assistant-dr.-sebastian-gorka-and-afshin-r.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Nov 27 2024 13:25 utc | 145

This BBC prick seems to have a Rhino hide, prolly a job requirement for all garden journo !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdIAWwaBkLc

Posted by: denk | Nov 27 2024 13:58 utc | 146

Respectfully, your legal analysis, like the ICC’s, is erroneous.
First, Israel is, in effect, accused of besieging Gaza, but that’s perfectly legal. In a siege, you do not feed & provide medical care to the besieged, so these “crimes” aren’t crimes unless siege warfare is now illegal, which it isn’t. ICC is attempting to create a new precedent in which Israel is somehow not allowed to engage in siege warfare based on the idea that other means are equally effective and/or less damaging to civilians, but that’s not the law & no one has advocated it in any other circumstance.
Second, genocide requires the intent to exterminate a particular group based upon group identity, but – even assuming Israel is exterminating the Palestinians – they aren’t a group (they’re at best a subset of Arabs, who are in no danger from this attack.). That is, it’d be like arguing that invading Florida is genocide because Floridians are a group – they aren’t, they’re just a subset of Americans & nobody invading Florida is doing so to exterminate Americans. Again, this assumes that Israel’s invading, but you still don’t get the result you claim.
In fact, the UN’s expert on this area of the law was fired for pointing out that these allegations, if true, don’t rise to the level of genocide. All war upon civilians (even wars designed to force them to more or die) are not genocide as pretty much every war ever forced civilians out of land to be occupied by the winner – that isn’t genocide because all war is not genocide.
We need to maintain legal concepts here. At worst, Israel engaged in siege warfare designed to force civilians to move or die or submit to eternal Israeli rule. Even if that’s true, that’s not illegal in any sense of the word. To prove a war crime, you’d need to prove Israel started this (that it’s a war of aggression).
But once you are defending yourself, you can use these tactics. We did not, after all, restore Germany to its pre WW2 borders & lots of German civilians were killed or forcibly relocated…so what? Were we waging genocide against Germans? I’m sure lots of Germans were denied food & medical care during the attacks on Berlin – again, so what?
The law permits all of these methods provided only that suffering is proportional to military objective. When you’re about to win the war, you can impose lots of suffering. (You don’t compare suffering to suffering, you compare suffering to objective, so unimportant objective doesn’t justify much suffering & vice versa.)
I can’t comment on the ultimate facts of the case, but it’s obvious these allegations (even if true) are not war crimes. You may think they should be, but they aren’t (largely because forcing civilians to die or flee or submit is kinda the point of war, so you can’t really ban it.)
For 80 years, Palestinians haven’t been able to make peace – they can’t expect to squat there forever while they make war on Israel. This problem was going to be resolved, and Israel may have resolved it by forcing them out. Legally, so what? Israel has more than enough legal cause, even under Palestinian version of events, to force civilians to die or flee because Israel has every right to win the war. They are not required to lose, nor are they req’d to fight eternal war. At this point, the objective is sufficiently important to justify cost to civilians, even assuming Palestinian version. Don’t agree? Ask the Germans about Danzig etc.

Posted by: Chris | Nov 27 2024 14:08 utc | 147

Will France sent a F… You to the ICC.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/11/27/france-says-immunities-apply-to-netanyahu-regarding-icc-arrest-warrant_6734304_4.html
“In a vague statement, the ministry reaffirmed its commitment to international justice after the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, but also said that the Israeli leader was covered by immunity rules that apply to states which are not a party to the ICC. Israeli is not an ICC member.”

Posted by: Poul | Nov 27 2024 14:28 utc | 148

Good call B.
Its all about narrative control.

Whoever owns the narrative owns the world.
That’s Cultural Hegemony 101. If they lose control of the narrative – for example, if the majority of the passive populations of the West wake up and realise they and their governments really are party to genocide, that a new world is starting to take shape that will drive the demi-gods of the West back into the ranks of humanity, then ordinary people may actually start to challenge why, for example, infrastructure in the American homeland is falling apart but the military industrial complex has unlimited funds to blow other people’s infrastructure apart.

https://johnmenadue.com/us-is-spending-28-billion-on-sinophobic-propaganda-to-colonise-your-brain/

Posted by: denk | Nov 27 2024 15:00 utc | 149

iTS ALL about controlling the narrative ….

China , our mortal enemy, is getting away with genocides

OMFG !
https://www.evangelinetoday.com/editorial-columns/china-our-teflon-enemy

Posted by: denk | Nov 27 2024 15:44 utc | 150

Posted by: Chris | Nov 27 2024 14:08 utc | 147 For eighty years the Zionists have refused to make peace. Peace takes two sides and the Zionist enterprise won’t, because its imperialist nature negates peace. Technically this is a crime against peace, as well as humanity. So much for point one, which is a legalistic quibble.
Second, Palestinians are no more a subset of “Arabs” than Canadians and Americans and Australians are a subset of English. Worse for this pretended argument, the siege has been ongoing for decades. That’s why Palestinians have needed humanitarian aid merely to survive this siege for so long before Oct. 7. So much for point two. The only moral principle here is, vae victis.
Personally I think the general perspective in this comment, which is, what is legal is moral, is the stance of a moral imbecile. Refusing to make peace after the enemy is defeated targets the Palestinians for being Palestinians…which is in my opinion exactly the intent this commenter supposedly finds lacking. Indeed, the flat assertion that war is against the civilians rather than the opposing armed forces is I think a declaration of moral bankruptcy.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 27 2024 15:58 utc | 151

Russia cooking the US using the ‘boiling the frog’ strategy is not without major risks. The US remains the only country in the world that has deployed nuclear weapons against its enemies. The precedent has been established.
Its still the best strategy for Russia at this point, since getting the US to disengage from Ukraine is the quickest and easiest way to end the Russo-Ukrainian War. But, is there anyone left in D.C. with a functioning synapse – who doesn’t have their head jammed up their ass – who is able to get the message from Russia?

Posted by: Monos | Nov 27 2024 18:26 utc | 152

Israeli PM Netanyahu immune from ICC arrest warrant in France as Israel is not party to the court – French Foreign Ministry.
Nor was there any mention of the ICC arrest warrant for Bibi Nosferatu by the gang of 7(G7).
ps thanks ockham @ #145. ‘Shine Perishing Republic’

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 27 2024 18:42 utc | 153

Re: #98, Ed Bernays: ‘most nazis got off easy’
https://x.com/jeff_kaye/status/1644779924098777088
“Served at the highest echelons of NATO…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 27 2024 20:14 utc | 154

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 27 2024 19:49 utc | 212 US Carrier Locations
Many sources post this. Just google it. Alas they are usually many hours to days old.

Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 27 2024 20:28 utc | 155

The narrative
Israel is beyond the pale.

Israel has no place among the family of nations at the UN

The entire teflon club is there
FUKUS WHO killed 30M since 911, who created and enabled Israel, look down from their perch at the security council
Israel operates in ME, US runs amok over four continents
But Israel doesnt belong ?

Matthew 23:24 in Other Translations
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Thats all folks !

Posted by: denk | Nov 27 2024 20:46 utc | 156

But Israel doesn’t belong?
Matthew 23:24, and in Other Translations 24: Ye blind guides who strain gnats and swallow a camel.
Thats all folks!
Posted by: denk | Nov 27 2024 20:46 utc | 156
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This passage is a perfect verse for the occasion: It fits the hypocrisy of the Western Nations regarding the ICC warrants against President Putin (three weeks) and P.M. Netanyahu ( seven months). My, my, this could be a prophecy, you think?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 27 2024 21:16 utc | 157

Posted by: Ed | Nov 27 2024 21:16 utc | 157
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Hope to be back, barring unforeseen circumstances.
Good nite/moring

Posted by: denk | Nov 27 2024 21:25 utc | 158

malenkov | Nov 26 2024 18:56 utc | 128
*** I’m not seeing how the existence or legitimacy of the Zionist entity is contingent on a certain number of Shoah victims.***
First they make a wild assertion. Next they make it illegal to even question that assertion. Then they impose a definition of “anti-semitism” using the initial assertion as its justification, and extending the ban on dissent, criticism and questioning to everything done by the beneficiaries of the assertion.
The irredeemable debt-money entrapment system of monopoly-capitalist finance gains effective protection via that process as well.
Meanwhile — and again exploiting the assertion as its base — the leading beneficiaries of the initial assertion have intimidated, bought or brainwashed he political class (already iffy in any case) in all captive countries into compliance with their agenda. A sort of animal training complete with rewards and punishments.
So they demand and get “Israel” == and keep insatiably trying to expand that area.
Always screaming “six million” to silence any disapproval.
It is not “legitimacy”, it is psychological as well as physical terrorism.
Anything not conducive to the by now semi-religious myth must not be permitted …. hence for instance no mainstream media or political citing of the Zionist alliance with Nazis, at the time of WW2 or later on in Ukraine. That would be heresy!
As would mention that the Jewish authorities regarded Jews who escaped from their influence as being dead. And many did opt to become normal citizens of whatever country they lived in … which itself would seriously affect Jewish authorities’ “premature death” figures.
As to why a certain number (6 million) is insisted upon, it is a test of conditioning ad “faith”. Plus reinforcement of that training. Rather like the Freemasons, wherein the recitation of drivel at any status level (though later admitted as such) is proof of loyalty — even if they never really know to what, or why.
But why the exact “six million” figure was less successfully claimed by the Jews umpteen times prior to WW2 or even the German Nazis, is a different — though presumably related — matter.
One which the mass-media and Establishment politicians make very sure never to mention.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 27 2024 22:46 utc | 159

Chris | Nov 27 2024 14:08 utc | 147
*** For 80 years, Palestinians haven’t been able to make peace – they can’t expect to squat there forever while they make war on Israel. ***
With that comment you rendered the rest of your arguments irrelevant.
Palestinians are not “squatters” they are the legal inhabitants.
Israelis are the “squatters” — on examination, even their ‘Balfour Declaration’ and subsequent claims to legitimacy from the 1940s onwards are extremely — and increasingly — dubious from a legal as well as moral perspective.
Wonder why the UK regime still keeps details of Balfour and subsequent matters — long overdue for release — so secret (unless already destroyed).

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 27 2024 23:08 utc | 160

@ Cynic | Nov 27 2024 22:46 utc | 159
You seriously need to work on your chronology, but be that may, the existence of the Ziostate is a result of various agreements and promises, few of which had anything to do with the Shoah, and of course several decades of Jewish terror that made the British at length uncomfortable maintaining their “mandate”.
As for legitimacy, to the degree that this is not a function of international agreements but one of morals and ethics, the Ziostate never had any to begin with.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 27 2024 23:36 utc | 161

malenkov | Nov 27 2024 23:36 utc | 161
*** You seriously need to work on your chronology, but be that may, the existence of the Ziostate is a result of various agreements and promises, few of which had anything to do with the Shoah, and of course several decades of Jewish terror that made the British at length uncomfortable maintaining their “mandate”.***
The reply was about “legitimacy” of the Zionist entity. A perceptual “legitimacy” which has mostly relied on constant propaganda after its setting up and very much relies on the WW2 “six million” claim being unquestionable.
My later post (160) made reference to earlier UK connivances such as by the ‘Balfour’ cabal.
To which could be added the Zionist plotting in Victorian times.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 27 2024 23:53 utc | 162

Without Including Biden and Blinken and the Issue of Genocide, International Criminal Court Arrest Warrants Are A Sham
https://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php/without-including-biden-blinken-and-issue-genocide-international-criminal-court-arrest-warrants
“The International Criminal Court finally indicted Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, but this action is merely performative.
If arrest warrants do not include war criminals like Joe Biden and other US officials, they are ultimately empty attempts to maintain a semblance of legitimacy.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 27 2024 23:54 utc | 163

John Gilberts | Nov 27 2024 23:54 utc | 163
*** If arrest warrants do not include war criminals like Joe Biden and other US officials, they are ultimately empty attempts to maintain a semblance of legitimacy.”***
The ICC has not even issued warrants for the Blair gang, or to arrest David Cameron for the blatantly lie-based destruction of Libya.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 28 2024 0:01 utc | 164

@ Cynic | Nov 27 2024 23:53 utc | 162
Let’s put it this way:
Who has ever argued that the Ziostate becomes illegitimate if instead of ca. 6 million Jews the Nazis and their buddies had murdered or otherwise caused the death of ca. 4.5 million?
What kind of person would make such an argument?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 28 2024 2:25 utc | 166

malenkov | Nov 28 2024 2:25 utc | 166
*** Let’s put it this way:
Who has ever argued that the Ziostate becomes illegitimate if instead of ca. 6 million Jews the Nazis and their buddies had murdered or otherwise caused the death of ca. 4.5 million?
What kind of person would make such an argument?***
Nobody would, though they might reasonably find suspicious the more than a century long fanatical obsession with exactly a “six million” figure.
The important point is, however, that the Israeli state should not be accorded any legal or moral “legitimacy” to exist as a result of stealing Palestine territory, whether the real “holocaust” figure was a hundred million or none.
Yet that “six million”, plus a heap of ‘theological’ concoctions, lies and omissions, actually is the basis of its claim to be “legitimate”.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 28 2024 3:10 utc | 167

Game changer will never come as it has not come so far.all because Putin has no guts to really hit real enemy England and 5evil eyes
thousand days of war and Russia is still getting hit on her soil ! What a pathetic display is this Putin . He has insulted the great Russian army by tying the army’s hands

Posted by: Sam | Nov 28 2024 3:32 utc | 168