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November 30, 2024
U.S., Allies Reignite War On Syria

It seems that this earlier assessment of mine of the situation in Syria was wrong:

As the conflict in Lebanon subsides Israel and the U.S. have reignited the war in Syria. There have been signs for a while that this was going to happen. Yesterday Al-Qaeda affiliated HTS fighters, which has been rebuild and sponsored with CIA money, have relaunched their attacks on Syrian government forces west of Aleppo. Syrian and Russian air force attacks have for now stopped their progress. Hizbullah's Rudwan forces have yet to intervene but are deployed to defend Aleppo.

I do not expect the situation to Syria to escalate further.

As of now the situation continues to escalate. I had underestimated the role of Turkey in this.

President Erdogan seems to have taken control of HTS and is using it to pursue his aims. These include to widen Turkish control over Syrian land, to further damage the anti-Turkish resistance movement within the Kurdish population of Syria and to impress on president-elect Donald Trump that he can be a reliable ally in a fight against Iranian influence.

Jihadists under Turkish control have attacked Syrian government position on the western side of Aleppo city and diversion commandos seem to have infiltrated the city itself. A large part of this operation is the (fake) news onslaught accompanying it. Current information from the area is way too confused to state with some certainty what exactly is under who's control.

There are several forces fighting in Syria. The Turkish 'rebel' side, supported by Israel, Turkey and the U.S., includes two distinct groups. The former al-Qaeda Jihadists in Hayat Tarhir al-Sham [HTS] under Abu Muhammed al-Jolani were, and likely still are, financed and armed by the CIA through proxy actors in Qatar. HTS includes a significant number of Turkmen and Uighur jihadists from Central Asia. The second group is the so called Syrian National Army which is a group of Sunni Syria mercenaries paid for and controlled by Turkey.

These 'rebels' immediately distinguished themselves through their depraved behavior:

Hala Jaber @HalaJaber – 17:40 UTC · Nov 29, 2024

🔴IMPORTANT🔴
I have just watched a most gruesome footage of the so called Erdogan-backed “freedom fighters,” beheading a Syrian soldier they captured. A POW in western military terms.
I thought those days of ISIS evilness were over, but here we are again as history repeats itself while we are again being told that these are the good “liberators.”
The footage shows a Syrian soldier surrounded by ‘rebels.’
He pleads with them & pleads to their Islamic faith.
They pull his hand away from his neck & one guy with a huge jaggered knife proceeds to slice his throat. When it gets stuck, he pounds the knife into the neck a few times, then proceeds to continue with the slaughter to the cries of “Allahahu Akbar.”
Whoever in the western world is supporting these NATO-Israeli backed extremists should really think again. …

On the other side of the conflict are the Syrian Arab Army (which seem to have forgotten all the lessons it had to learn during the previous phase of the conflict). It is supported by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps which has trained and is financing several groups of Shia fighters in Syria. This is done in strong coordination with Hizbullah in Lebanon which has some units of its Rudwan special forces stationed in Syria. Russia is backing the Syrian government in Syria and is currently using its air power to interrupt  further attacks from the 'rebel' side.

The Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) is an anti-Turkish movement. It forms a major part of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) which has been supported, on and off, by the Pentagon in east-Syria. It is currently fighting on the side of the Syrian government but has in own interest in securing areas with significant Kurdish populations.

While it was known that the conflict in Syria was soon to be revived the immediacy seems to have come as an surprise:

Sharmine Narwani @snarwani – 9:10 UTC · Nov 30, 2024

Russian newspaper Izvestia: The major terrorist attack on #Aleppo was coordinated between Turkish, Ukrainian and French intelligence with Israeli support and American approval. The planning was two months ago and the attack was supposed to be next March, but the events in Lebanon contributed to the urgency.

As said above there is no information yet that lets one make an unbiased assessment which side is really in control of what part of Aleppo or areas surrounding it. My impression is that many of the claims of Jihadist control here or there are only media operations without military significance.

But what can be said so far is that the Syrian government has obviously failed to secure its lines in the field and to prepare its army for a renewal of the conflict. The Syrian Arab Army seems to have given up many positions without a significant fight.

It will cost a lot of blood and treasure (again!) to regain control of them.

Comments

I forgot to add, something else money can’t buy. Working Maerican hypersonics, apparently. How much money has the Pentagon burned so far on hypersonic programs, remind me? And tell me more about the abandoned Nuclear modernization plans. How much did they spend again with no result? Maerica used to get some things wrong. Now it’s lost any ability to determine what’s right and wrong..not from a moral perspective but the ability to discern what are actual, real Maerican interests and what are not. They’re led by terminal fuckwits and will continue to be.
By the way my aged friends, in response to the earlier note, I’m sub 40. Not everyone here is too old to be mobilized!

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 1 2024 15:29 utc | 401

Santi @405: “Now am I wrong?”
Absolutely. You are a delusional fruitcake.
I’ll show you: “The death of others is not relevant in your equation, and by your words, much less that of workers, laborers, proletarians or whatever you want to call them….”
You claim those are my words, so quote them exactly, you delusional freak. Where did I say, or even imply that?
You won’t find it in my words because it is a product of your own disjointed imagination.
Your delusional rambling is nauseating.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2024 15:33 utc | 402

@407
There is a Shi’a mass ready to go after Biden/Erdogan/qatari head choppers.
The Kurds don’t seem in with the head choppers this time.
West going all FAFO!
No need of PRC or DPRK masses. Good use of BRI if they come over.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 1 2024 15:40 utc | 403

368 – I encounter the same evidence of UK-leftie naivete.
These well-meaning idealists need to be reminded that:
– – – The US hegemon that uses its Israeli proxy to mass-murder Palestinians in Gaza is the same US hegemon that uses its Ukraine proxy in Europe to attack the Russian Federation.
Both are supplied with arms in unprecedented quantities in pursuance of U$A’s international aims.
The UK MSM clearly recognise this, which is why they support Israel, Ukraine and USA on a daily basis

Yes, you can see that, I can see that, but the well-meaning idealists cannot.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 1 2024 15:50 utc | 404

Posted by: einer der Nachdenkt | Dec 1 2024 15:24 utc | 409
Well, I certainly do understand your point, and I appreciate you understand mine. I write ten posts, and actually post perhaps one of them.
Thank you for your comments.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 1 2024 15:53 utc | 405

What we regard as “our world” only begins when we become consciously aware of our lives, typically around the age of 15 or 16, and continues until our death. That world concludes with our passing. We would have no knowledge of what occurs thereafter. We would never return to life to observe what is happening with “our world” that once existed. All those individuals who agree to die for their “country” are misguided, practically foolish, as they will never come back to life to see what remains. There is no afterlife!

Posted by: ostrr | Dec 1 2024 16:08 utc | 406

@ANON2022 | Dec 1 2024 3:31 utc | 315
>>The most astonishing thing about the last 14 months in the Middle East has
>>been that zero attempts have been made to neutralize Israeli aviation.
All the Middle East playas, the Izzies very much included, are machos from warm countries. So tough talk is only to be expected; nobody would listen to you without it. But the reality check is: Israel is a nuclear power; it’s not going to be militarily defeated. I for one have no doubt that the black angels of Dimona would spread their wings if the Israeli leadership felt they had no choice. And fly not only at their Resistance enemies, but at just about everyone and everything. After all, the universe was only ever created for the Chosen people; without them, it’d serve no further purpose. Ron Unz had an essay the other day reminding us how Israel makes nuclear threats to Russia if they feel like it.
So, as you have caught on but others not, this whole Resistance thing has aspects of a game. In part, it exists as the domestic legitimization of the Islamic Republic. Yes, you fight hard–but only to exert (economic) pressure, perhaps affect behavior a bit (LOL good luck with that), and maybe set the stage for meaningful mediation once papa’s money runs out. But papa will happily let Americans go hungry and still pay tribute to the Motherland if it comes to that, so this is all a long way off.
The person to listen to is Alastair Crooke, who knows the playas and had on-the-ground experience. He talks about “equations” which Israel and Hezbollah tend to observe in their struggle. You have also heard statements from Hezbollah saying “now is not the time for all-out war” — implying apparently, that the wholesale decapitation of their leadership was not “war”. Not yet. Anyway, Hezbollah chose to intervene in the Gaza crisis. Honorably perhaps, but they will have known there would be a price. Must be a bitter setback that they were infiltrated or otherwise compromised.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 16:42 utc | 407

@ANON2022 | Dec 1 2024 3:31 utc | 315
>>Iran has fairly advanced long-range AD too, but none of it has been moved
>>to Syria and Lebanon to stop the slaughter. Why?
Well if the SAA is mostly a shambolic nepotistic mess, would you give them your most expensive toys? Do you buy a $10,000 saxophone for your tone-deaf kid? As for Hezbollah: the geographic area is so small, so close to their kosher friends, that anything expensive which cannot be placed underground is just too exposed–my layman two cents.
I take it as glass half-full. Turned out at least Iran’s own airspace was defended, and Israel couldn’t just fly around there like they and their masters/slaves are used to do in the region.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 17:09 utc | 408

@Mastameta | Dec 1 2024 3:51 utc | 319
What do I even know, but I think this has been explained by those who do. You use your limited number of stealth assets with their limited payload in the first wave for the SEAD mission: take out the enemy’s air defenses. If those are sufficiently degraded, and the opposing air force isn’t a significant threat for this or that reason, then the bulk of your air power can come in to bomb the crap out of anything you don’t like.
At least, that’s the simplified version of the NATO playbook. Didn’t work too well this time even though MSM is putting a brave face on it. Bombing Beirut civilians went off like a charm though, so Izzie honor has been restored.
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“Bomb Albania? Why, what have they ever done against us?”
“What has Albania even done for us? Screw Albania.”

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 17:33 utc | 409

Newbie @100 – his actions have done no good for any BRICS membership.
The Doomers are veighing with the Hindsighters for precedence in the comments.
As for Aleppo itself, moving out minimizes the fighting there, forcing the attackers to extend their supply lines into the open countryside where they are prime targets for air force strikes. A number of ISIS commanders based in Aleppo have mysteriously disappeared, possibly kidnapped by SAA stay behind forces. Russia is replaying its 2015 m/o. It, aided by the Syrian air force, is attacking logistics and enemy force concentrations. Eventually ISIS will find itself a long way from base with no supplies and no reinforcements.

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Dec 1 2024 18:14 utc | 410

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 30 2024 20:44 utc | 193
When young I thought that “evolution in action” would have an effect and the supply of stupid cannon fodder would dry up. Or to quote a phrase popular in Vietnam war times: “What if they gave a war and no one came?”. It’s been about fifty years and no sign of that happening. Still plenty of cannon fodder to feed the demons. Apparently indoctrination is still ahead of evolution.

Posted by: Snowleopard | Dec 1 2024 18:23 utc | 411

Can´t eat as much as to have been vomited:
https://southfront.press/israeli-army-announces-strikes-on-syria-amid-rebel-offensive/
@Arfur Mo:
Hope, your information concerning SAA stay behind forces will be correct.
@some other barflies, lamenting over weak Assad and SAA: Please remember the status of Syria before Russia came to help her, there was nearly no army and no hope left. Sanctions of “the good ones”TM are still in function, the SAA still exhausted, resources also, infrastructure destroyed by “anti”-IS globalist gang, oil dwells and most fertile lands still occupied, so what do you expect?
And concerning “coward” SAA: How many of you had been confronted with a bunch of headchoppers yet? Or had to witness their cruelty in reality? – My respect to any person which doesn´t follow it´s instincts of fleeing immediately when being confronted, especially to the ones which had to witness their deeds before.
Bashar Assad is not a kind of magnician, but I´m sure he´s interested in the wellbeing of the Syrian population. – Judged by the vast number of plantages with oil trees one can see at Syrian war videos, especially black-and-white ones taken by night. It´s costly to plant lots of young trees at rather dry regions and needs a lot of working effort nurturing them to become grown up and fertile. Only leaders who are caring for their country and people are taking such actions. For gardeners it´s easy to realize and honor.

Posted by: Blue Angel | Dec 1 2024 18:38 utc | 412

“Bomb Albania? Why, what have they ever done against us?”
“What has Albania even done for us? Screw Albania.”
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 17:33 utc | 420
Wag The Dog?
One of the best (near)documentaries of US government ever made. Unfortunately, all the people I know still think it was just a comedy and nothing like reality.
The Distinguished Gentleman is another. (but not as good)
Proof you can reveal the obvious truth to the duped, but they will remain duped.

Posted by: saner | Dec 1 2024 18:49 utc | 413

Russia / Syria (Iran?) have served up for us something of a master class in ground attack use of an air force.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Dec 1 2024 19:02 utc | 414

@Michael | Dec 1 2024 6:05 utc | 337
>>Kursk has still not been emptied of Ukrainian / Nato troops by Russia.
Yes but with a nuance, which you also know. Only Zelensky’s TV stations (in the West as well as in Kiev) tell the narrative as simple as “AFU is holding steady in Kursk (in Khrynky, in Bakhmut, …)” as if their troops were bullet-dodging the Russian fire. The Russian side, most outside observers, as well as Ze’s own ground troops, tell it a bit differently: AFU goes into Kursk, gets blown to pieces, only to be replaced with more AFU into the same positions; rinse and repeat, day after day. In short, a meat grinder. If this were exclusively a story of Russian failure, why do so many on the Ukie side want Syrsky to get out of Kursk pronto?
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@Don Bacon | Dec 1 2024 6:16 utc | 340
>>Austin, how many anti-Assad troops did you raise with the five million
>>dollars we gave you?. . .about five, Austin said.
Yeah I remember that–at least the gist of it, not the details. But surely we don’t take such words literally just because Mr. Raytheon said them? Let me offer you a more plausible version: they scrounged together five carefully vetted, earnest democrats, plus a couple thousand headchoppers who’ll take care of the real business. However, the latter only get mentioned in the classified part of the congressional powwow which we don’t get to see. Was this really the week to gloat over how toothless the Empire is?
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@Mike Adamson | Dec 1 2024 14:47 utc | 402
>>Professor Cole comments on Syria.
Buyer beware. Juan Cole was a big cheerleader for Obama’s “R2P” destruction of Libya, which he apparently felt was much more liberal than Bush’s bible-in-hand destruction of Iraq. I took it that his true loyalty was to the Dem Party, with brown human beings far away being temporary props at best. If he is a useful idiot, his opinions certainly have not been useful to me.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 19:21 utc | 415

@Doctor Eleven | Dec 1 2024 15:24 utc | 408
>>I see this as an entirely tactical venture
Sure. In declining empires, strategy goes out the window. The failing body lets the outlying limbs die off first. Long-term, killing German industry weakens the Empire as a whole; but Joe Biden has no expectations of living into the long term. For the moment, he’s kneecapped an American export competitor and got away with it, while Russia keeps whining about the need for an independent Nord-Stream investigation.
That HTS/ISIS’s little slice of heaven would blossom into a valuable Western partner is absurd. Yes sowing chaos and destruction is easier–and they did it, which’ll tie a bunch of Russians and Iranians up for months or years, while Uncle Shlomo is sitting pretty.
The big one: at some point, throwing trillions of dollars around will endanger the relevance of all dollars in existence. Hasn’t happened yet, and above my paygrade to predict when it will.
>>for example success on the battlefield
On this particular battlefield, the current chaos and the black eye for Assad are American (tactical) successes. If it leads to further Russian concessions to Erdogan (not certain but very possible), already it’s a bit more than that.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 20:01 utc | 416

@saner | Dec 1 2024 18:49 utc | 424
>>Wag The Dog?
Yeah; though only paraphrasing from memory, and with an obvious typo (“ever done” not “even done”). As I came to see that not only this is how the powerful actually think, but how my own family embraced a war with the same breeziness, the quote never left me.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 20:25 utc | 417

What are the odds that this was the result of a deal between Putin and the Netanyahu-Trump administration, in return for withdrawal from Ukraine?
Maybe assad is just withdrawing to a more defensible position, or maybe is resigned to Putin’s deal. Assad keeps western Syria by the coast, ISIS the East, and Israel gets Golan.
In return the West abandons the four disputed provinces and Crimea to Putin , and ends the alliance with the rest of Ukraine.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 1 2024 20:36 utc | 418

Just seen a Telegram video, apparently filmed today at a sort of crossroads, presumably in Aleppo, of jihadis celebrating and shouting Tekbir! then suddenly one or perhaps two missiles strike. A Turkish commentator on the video wrote, “The Russians are annoyed”.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 1 2024 21:14 utc | 419

https://x.com/NEWSSHORTT/status/1863316224232345899?t=b0YmUpwjNxbX55AOonp6cA&s=19
And a jihadi munitions convoy is hit at night.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 1 2024 21:26 utc | 420

And a jihadi munitions convoy is hit at night.
Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 1 2024 21:26 utc | 431
It sure looks like the jihadis got suckered here, the question remains who told them to do it (besides USUKIL). Erdogan in particular, he has not in the past been this stupid, and was making conciliatory noises towards Syria very recently.
It does appear the SAA has learned a lot from their Russian mentors.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 1 2024 21:57 utc | 421

To lure the cockroaches (ISIS/US/Israel) out into the open, and start eradicating them is the most fruitful and diplomatic method of removing them without major international backlash, since you’ll always be seen as the liberator, not the instigator.
Curious why Western media has suddenly stopped daily reporting of Syria, it seems the situation isn’t going as planned?
Turkish bred terrorists released into EU/US if not already.

Posted by: TheTurk | Dec 1 2024 22:30 utc | 422

Curious why Western media has suddenly stopped daily reporting of Syria, it seems the situation isn’t going as planned?
@ TheTurk | Dec 1 2024 22:30 utc | 433

I find it difficult to envision the goals of those reigniting Syrian terror. In just the past week, we’ve seen USrael put its unmistakable signature, in the form of booby-trapped devices, on an Al Qaeda operation, with Turkish and even Ukrainian connivance. All for naught; all this complicated investment in coordination to produce a fizzling tempest in a teapot?
The fizzle is easy to explain, not so much the fizzlers. Did they think Iran and Russia and China would be too preoccupied to give a damn about Syria, or what? Once again, I’m back to that bitter old Peggy Lee song: Is That All There Is?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 1 2024 23:11 utc | 423

All the Middle East playas, the Izzies very much included, are machos from warm countries. So tough talk is only to be expected; nobody would listen to you without it. But the reality check is: Israel is a nuclear power; it’s not going to be militarily defeated. I for one have no doubt that the black angels of Dimona would spread their wings if the Israeli leadership felt they had no choice. And fly not only at their Resistance enemies, but at just about everyone and everything. After all, the universe was only ever created for the Chosen people; without them, it’d serve no further purpose. Ron Unz had an essay the other day reminding us how Israel makes nuclear threats to Russia if they feel like it.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 1 2024 16:42 utc | 418

Israel is indeed a nuclear power, but with one major difference, which you picked on yourself:

As for Hezbollah: the geographic area is so small, so close to their kosher friends, that anything expensive which cannot be placed underground is just too exposed–my layman two cents.

The same is true about Israel – it has no strategic depth.
Russia and the US cannot disable each other’s nukes before they can be launched unless they go for orbital bombardment – they are such large countries that it takes 10-15 minutes even if you launch from submarines just off the coast for the missiles to fly to the ICBM silos. Meanwhile it takes 60-90 seconds to launch the ICBMs, and the submarines themselves are difficult to locate, so the second strike is very hard to neutralize.
Not the case with Israel – those Jericho silos are indeed hardened, but they are also only a very short distance away from Syria and Lebanon. You will need nukes to destroy them, but Iran is supposed to have that now.
Israel in fact lacks strategic depth to such an extent that those missiles are highly vulnerable to boost phase interception, provided there was serious AD around, of course.
And that fear features prominently in their strategy.
Notice how the most important territory here in the direction of Iran is Jordan, and it is fully subjugated at this point.
Curiously, Russian S-400 systems in Syria are situated between Israeli missiles and Russia itself. One has to wonder if there might be deeper considerations here behind them just sitting the Israeli air strikes out all these years.
But once Lebanon and Syria are neutralized, the Israelis will have acquired that strategic depth. Thus the window for action for the Resistance is closing..

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 1 2024 23:33 utc | 424

A ZH posting about Syria showed the map of Syria from an X posting at the link below
[the map shows the Turkish, US and Occupied Palestine occupied portions]
https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1842530314272285126
Just another active circus ring in our civilization war

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2024 23:52 utc | 425

ANON2022
…”You need nukes to destroy them” (the deeply embedded Izzy nukes). Have you not researched Russia’s latest earth shaker? The Oreshnik. Hypersonic+ and wiped out that facility for rocketry in the Dniepropetrovsk area, down to 20 stories underground. Even several klicks away water-lines crumbled from that purely KINETIC missilry. Likely the Russkies could devastate those Izzy nukes in a New York minute.
So research and think before posting. Lebanon and Syria will NOT be “neutralized” by the Evil Ones and their $atanic Yahweh and their “Chosen” bullshit.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 1 2024 23:59 utc | 426

The Turk Dec. 1 @2230
“Sultan” Erdogan may have fallen into a tectonic plate situation. I would think that a huge proportion of Turkish Muslims are becoming furious of his trust-destroying antics. Pan-Turkism is his wet-dream and for that he may have gone one bridge too far. His guilt is now evident, even to Westerners like myself. The “Sultan” and his corrupt ways in playing both sides against the middle may have placed his nuts solidly between the two arms of a vise.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 0:05 utc | 427

Bemildred Dec 1 @2157
“Sultan” has been creaming his shorts over the prospects of receiving a whole new batch of F-35’s from Uncle $hmuel. Kinda ironic that he sure stepped both feat into a cow-pie…totally ironic…as that plane is known to the majority of fighter pilots as (1 a “hangar queen” and (2 as the “Flying TURKEY”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 0:11 utc | 428

Delhiliterally Dec 1@2036
Name of a long ago San Francisco Chinatown restaurant: “Fat Shans”.
No way is the R.U. gonna fall for that sillyassed attempt at blackmail. The Evil Ones are losing in both Ukraine and the Muddle East. Why the hell should the Russkies get snookered into a Poker game when they are long-sighted chess masters.
Where the hell do you get these silly ideas? From Boobtoob Noose, perhaps?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 0:17 utc | 429

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 1 2024 12:35 utc | 386
You are the Troll here, not me.
The content of your reply and rebuff is irrational nonsense which has no relevance at all to my simple comment. You are a troll and or so cognitively dysfunctional you’re not worth explaining to what I meant – which was very simple and clear – and has nothing to do with all the garbage fantasies imaginings you inserted into your daft reply.
Please pretend I do not exist. Because that is what I am going to do about you from now on. So get lost lost you fool.

Posted by: Michael | Dec 2 2024 0:23 utc | 430

Laoshi Dec !@2021
How, in the name of all that is real, do you come up with the notion that the Dupont Crime Clan’s $enile One in the Tainted House, has ANY agency…beyond his demands to sniff the hair of 9 y.o. girls along with his vanilla ice cream cone and regular changing of his “Depends”.
The ordures are passed down to his monitors, such as Snake $ullivan and Blinken, Winken and Stinken…and they act as dutiful waiters from the financier elite.
Perhaps you have no regular information streams from American based alternative mediums and are simply unaware of the current $tate of the Onion.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 0:25 utc | 431

I went on a pro-Palestinian march in London yesterday, rather large, and was intrigued by the sight of one, admittedly just one, “Syrian opposition” flag, you know, the one with three red stars in the middle. Later on, I could not see it, but in the past that flag has been carried at some pro-Palestinian marches by several people.
Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 1 2024 9:11 utc | 362
Have you forgotten that Hamas fought in Syria on the side of the US Empire and Israel, against Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah?
I don’t think it’s weird that some pro-Hamas people still cling to anti-Assad beliefs.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 2 2024 0:45 utc | 432

Blue Angel Dec 1 @1338
Thanks for the upbeat assessment of suffering Syria and its devoted government.
The Trollheimers are full of shit and we kinda know who’s cutting their paychecks. One does not need to be armed to be a fukkin mercenary.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 0:45 utc | 433

ANON2022
…”You need nukes to destroy them” (the deeply embedded Izzy nukes). Have you not researched Russia’s latest earth shaker? The Oreshnik. Hypersonic+ and wiped out that facility for rocketry in the Dniepropetrovsk area, down to 20 stories underground. Even several klicks away water-lines crumbled from that purely KINETIC missilry. Likely the Russkies could devastate those Izzy nukes in a New York minute.
So research and think before posting. Lebanon and Syria will NOT be “neutralized” by the Evil Ones and their $atanic Yahweh and their “Chosen” bullshit.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 1 2024 23:59 utc | 437

Zionist influence in Russia is immense – look up the list of the oligarchs and you will immediately see that their ethnic profile is quite the same as that of the Western oligarchs – so good luck with Oreshniks being fired at Jericho missilee silos.
It is also why Syria was left such a mess by Putin. The Soviets would have defended it properly, but things changed in the 1990s.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 0:52 utc | 434

Arfur Mo Dec 1@1318
Astute perspective on the ongoing destruction of the headchopper logistical lifeline.
Was it yesterday or two days ago, that I noted that the logistical supply line was their weak link. Was not aware of the proposition that the SAA may have embedded their version of NATO’s “Gladiator” type stay in place units to snag the Evil Ones’ leaders and various advance forces. Perhaps it is true that Russian/Syrian/Iranian intel folks knew that such an incursion would not only wipe out the logistical train; but also their pioneer units.
Thanks for the posting

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 0:52 utc | 435

ostrr Dec1 @1608
…”there is no afterlife”. What are you, some kinda of edjumacated Cartesian “rationalistic materialist” ? Bumper sticker on the back of my ’91 Ford 150 reads: “Born Again…and again…and Again”. Check out the writings of Teilhard de Chardin, an amazing philosopher from an R.C. background…of all things. He posits that we are spirits currently dwelling in a material matrix. For that matter, check out the movie by that title. Even the movie “Avatar” has a lot to say about living a spiritual life in close contact with the natural world.
Abjure abstractions. They are merely obstructions. Reality is multidimensional.
One is never to old to learn…or as Dylan channeled waaay back in the day: “He not busy being born is busy dying”.
Right between the eyes…baby. “Seek and Ye shall find”. Or Shakespeare’s line in Hamlet: “There is more to life and death than your philosophy, Horatio”. Or perhaps John Donne’s poetic title: “Death be not proud”.
Take that first step down the spirit path. You may first be amused and then amazed.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 1:07 utc | 436

Grunzt Dec 1 @1524
By the age of 15 or so, until more recent years when my energies are becoming increasingly tuned into spiritual perspectives; I became deeply immersed in military history. Likely that the total of those volumes over some fifty years ranges close to a thousand such volumes.
The word “overextended”: As I seem to recall that you are a Deutschmann, my example of overextended forces would be those of the Wehrmacht’s 6th Army under Von Paulus, with flanks “guarded” by a montage of Hungarians, Romanians and other satellite armies…that force, because of the name of the place, so enamored the Schiklegruber brat that he dispatched that army to assault Stalingrad.
By the way, it is now apparent that Moscow was well informed by their own and allied intel units that the headchopper assault was about to come down. That being the probable case, the R.U. is hardly nervous about the unfolding destruction of the Islamist mercenaries.
Meanwhile, the Armies assaulting the Caucus region in an attempt to reach the oilfields centering on Baku, were also overextended in a sense. Too much effort was divided between those two forces, weakening both of them, but particularly the economically most important one…those oilfields, along with Russia’s long supply lines centering on Astrakhan at the Volga Delta. Geostrategically, that probable grandson of the Osterreicher branch of the Rottenchild Crime Clan was a rank idiot. His “intuition” was of some measure, but his overall understanding of military strategy was that of Der Erste Weltkrieg Lance Corporal.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 1:29 utc | 437

-” If the USA wins and I side against them I’m Gaddafi sodomized fucked dead and my country is delved into chaos and collapse, turned into a failed state.
Ever wonder why they never rebuilt Libya as even a reasonably functioning vassal after Gaddafi? It was message, an eternal one – don’t even think about fixing this place, they salted the earth, pretty much the same place just different epoch.
– If I side with the USA and NATO my ass and my life are safe, I’m in clover and my country remains intact for me to keep on ruling and looting.
– If I go against Russia, and China, and they win, nothing happens to me, I may not be in clover but my ass and my life are safe, there’s no talk whatsoever about reprisals against my country, the Russians pack up and go back home to Russia like they did in 1814 and 1945. No hard feelings.
It’s rather simple math, with history behind it.”
Robust and healthy relationships require the qualities we perceive as justice and equality to function., Its like the abused wife, She could be demonstrating the beauty that she possesses but because her spirit is broken she languishes and can only transmit the ugliness of of the injustice of her situation.
Unhealthy unjust means of control like prison society do not result in people flourishing. While humans are kept in this state sooner or later it becomes intolerable and behavior becomes unpredictable. Sooner or later unjust situations are rejected. This may not be perceived as logical but more like a rejection where a animal chews off its leg to escape a cruel trap. When a healthy respectful relationship is offered eventually unhealthy and cruel relationships are rejected as a a result of basic human consciousness that is inherent to human qualities. Pain and cruelty eventually always fail To control. Pain and cruelty when initially used are effective control mechanisms but as they are used they lose effectiveness as their victims become accustomed to even the worst horrors. Pain response becomes less effective and as inner strength is accessed injustice is rejected unequivocally and with a determination borne of inherent human spirit even if consequences are severe.
Humans need a degree of justice to function. Eventually they will seek justice in their life as a basic spiritual need akin to physical needs such as air food and water.
As tolerance to pain control techniques is observed it often increases exponentially. Not only do they become ineffective but the exact opposite of the desired behavior is observed. Only love and respect create the environment where humans prosper willingly giving their efforts to relationship. Pain compliance is not comparable to the power of free will. Prison like societies function only on the most basic level and the human spirit will seek relief just as it takes a breath.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 2 2024 1:36 utc | 438

ANON2022 Dec 2@052
Question is: Whether as you imply the Oilygarchs control V.V. Putin or whether he has tamed them. Perhaps you can give us some insights on this dichotomy.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 2:33 utc | 439

Bemildred Dec 1 @2157
“Sultan” has been creaming his shorts over the prospects of receiving a whole new batch of F-35’s from Uncle $hmuel. Kinda ironic that he sure stepped both feat into a cow-pie…totally ironic…as that plane is known to the majority of fighter pilots as (1 a “hangar queen” and (2 as the “Flying TURKEY”.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 0:11 utc | 439
Well yeah, it he did it for the F-35s and “Greater Turan” then he is indeed a fool. And if he has put any faith in Uncle Sugar, a sucker.
As others have pointed out, it presents a great opportunity to tidy up the Syrian War, and I do not believe the SAA is falling apart at all.
The Izzies have their hands full already, and are too fond of their supremacist bullshit to wise up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2024 3:48 utc | 440

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2024 16:52 utc | 46
Thank you, james.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 2 2024 5:20 utc | 441

@ juliania | Dec 2 2024 5:20 utc | 452
thanks! ma laoshi is a confusing person to me…

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2024 5:28 utc | 442

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2024 5:28 utc | 453
I’m doing a lot of skimming, james. I find such posts (and there are many others) very annoying but signs of deceptive practices are a good indication a Kursk operation is happening and the more confusion and doubt the better. Though really knowing that we are not influencers here; I’d just say a lot of doubt from posters one wonders about has to be deliberate.
Thanks for your efforts to ‘shine a path’, as they say.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 2 2024 6:08 utc | 443

Terrific Thread by Jenan Moussa. Take Your Time and Read It
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1863342251255980249
“Developments in Syria going so fast that reports become obsolete moments later.
I’ve reported from inside Syria since 2011 and I live in the MidEast. So, let me explain in this thread what the implications could be for Syria and wider region in case the Syrian regime falls…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 2 2024 6:09 utc | 444

This could be considered OT, but as folk have mentioned other film comparisons, I’ll throw one in – a series on PBS in the US was pretty rivetting, I think called ‘Baptiste’ and dealing (rather unbelievably now) with a female British Ambassador to Hungary caught up in nasty doings by fanatic underground – I won’t give the plot away, but it ends as she has managed to rescue one of her sons, who is hospitalized. Hard then to know if he is going to survive.
Just, on that level, a family one, remembering the themes of that story — we only scratch the surface of so much tragedy in everyone’s lives who are face to face with these influences. It is hard to stay positive, but stay positive we must.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 2 2024 6:26 utc | 445

Larry sort of gives the all-clear that it’s not as bad as it looks.
It would be really nice if the head-cutters supported by Israel and Turkey were to suffer a crushing defeat.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 2 2024 7:21 utc | 446

It would be really nice if the head-cutters supported by Israel and Turkey were to suffer a crushing defeat.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 2 2024 7:21 utc | 457

A certain outcome is that more Iranian infantry will move to within reach of Israel under cover of the new conflict.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 2 2024 7:29 utc | 447

Question is: Whether as you imply the Oilygarchs control V.V. Putin or whether he has tamed them. Perhaps you can give us some insights on this dichotomy.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 2:33 utc | 450

Russia is a huge country and the pyramid of power has always had many layers.
In small countries everything leaks quickly, but inside information in Russia is hard to get. What happens in Moscow people in Orenburg have no idea of, and what happens in the Kremlin regular people in Moscow also have no idea.
The problem with the oligarchs and the unfolding WWIII is twofold.
First, if Russia was to fight the war seriously, it would have to do mobilization and cut off ties with the West. That means their power base, which is being the middlemen between Western markets and Russian resources, is gone. “But can’t they just export to China?” you say. They can, but it is not the same. Those people see themselves as part of the Western elite. The Western elite doesn’t see them as part of their club, which is the core of the Russian elite’s tragedy, but even after three years of so much dehumanizing rhetoric about Russians in the West, it is doubtful most of the Russian oligarchs have started to viscerally hate the West the same way regular Russians have. Because they don’t see themselves as Russian (and in most cases are not; more on that below), so when Russians are called orcs and mongoloids, they don’t think that applies to them.
And it is not just cutting off business ties with the West. Mobilization means a wartime economy, which means a command economy, limits on conspicuous consumption, etc. All unacceptable to Russian elites because it means the state gaining real power and them losing it.
For all those reasons you expect Russian oligarchic elites to be against fighting the war seriously, and when you hear them comment on it, they indeed are.
Second, look at the personal background of those people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_Rotenberg

Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg (Russian: Аркадий Романович Ротенберг; born 15 December 1951) is a Russian billionaire businessman and oligarch. With his brother Boris Rotenberg, he was co-owner of the Stroygazmontazh (S.G.M. group), the largest construction company for gas pipelines and electrical power supply lines in Russia.
In 2023 Forbes estimated Rotenberg’s wealth at $3.5 billion.[2] He is a close confidant, business partner, and childhood friend of president Vladimir Putin.[3][4][5] Rotenberg became a billionaire through lucrative state-sponsored construction projects and oil pipelines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Abramov

Alexander Grigoryevich Abramov (Russian: Александр Григорьевич Абрамов, born 20 February 1959) is a Russian businessperson, who until March 2022 was the Chairman of the Board of directors of Evraz, one of Russia’s largest steel producers.[1] Since 1998, he has amassed one of the largest steel and iron empire in Russia, which employed 71,591 people around the world, with steel output of 13,57 million tones and turnover of $14,1 billion in 2021, leading to him be widely considered a Russian oligarch. A business partner and ally of Aleksandr Frolov and Roman Abramovich, Abramov was in June 2021 listed by Forbes as having an estimated net worth of $8.0 billion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich

According to Forbes, Abramovich’s net worth was US$14.5 billion in 2021.[6] making him the second-richest person in Israel,[7][8] Since then, his wealth decreased to $6.9 billion (in 2022), and recovered up to $9.2 billion in 2023.[9] Abramovich enriched himself in the years following the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, obtaining Russian state-owned assets at prices far below market value in Russia’s controversial loans-for-shares privatisation program. Abramovich is considered to have a good relationship with Russian president Vladimir Putin,[10] an allegation Abramovich has denied

Who negotiated Istanbul?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Aven

Petr Olegovich Aven (also transliterated Pyotr Aven; Russian: Пëтр Олегович Авен; Latvian: Pjotrs Avens; born 16 March 1955) is a Russian oligarch, economist and politician who also holds Latvian citizenship.[1] Until March 2022 he headed Alfa-Bank, Russia’s largest commercial bank. In March 2022, he resigned from the board of directors at Alfa-Bank and LetterOne Group to help them avoid sanctions.[2] In 2023 he was named the 659th richest person in the world, with a net worth of around $4.2 billion.[3]
Aven is a member of Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s inner circle

Latvian citizenship? Sanctions? See where this is headed?

In the wake of sanctions targeting Russian oligarchs during the Russo-Ukrainian War, media attention debated Blavatnik’s status as a Russian oligarch, and his corresponding connection to Vladimir Putin. Some outlets have suggested Blavatnik reputation laundered his money through philanthropic projects to avoid scrutiny, and that he maintains close connections to Viktor Vekselberg, an oligarch sanctioned by the US.[65][66][67] Blavatnik denies connections to Putin,[65] and has attempted to avoid the label of oligarch.[67] In December 2023, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky imposed personal sanctions against Blavatnik.[68][69]
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Blavatnik made his initial fortune, alongside other Russian oligarchs, after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the privatization of state-owned aluminum and oil assets.[5] He owns most of Warner Music Group and has stakes in several publicly traded assets via his privately held Access Industries Holdings.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Deripaska

He was once Russia’s richest man, but lost a substantial part of his fortune amid the 2007–08 financial crisis. As of June 2022, his wealth was estimated by Forbes at $3.2 billion, making him the 920th richest person in the world.[13] In 2017, Deripaska obtained a Cypriot citizenship through the country’s ‘golden visa’ program, which allows major investors in the economy to apply for a national passport.[1]
He was placed under U.S. sanctions in 2018 for reasons relating to the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia.[14][15] Deripaska was one of seven oligarchs sanctioned by the British government over the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, including asset freezes and travel bans.[16]
As early as 2022 Deripaska was one of a handful Russian businessmen to openly denounce the Russian invasion of Ukraine. After making his statements, he faced pressure from the Kremlin, leading to the seizure of a major asset he owned, valued at USD 1 billion.[17] Nonetheless, he returned to the subject in early August 2024, when he characterized the invasion as “madness” and called for it to be stopped immediately.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Fridman

In 2022, the EU imposed sanctions on Fridman in response to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Fridman claimed the EU’s allegations were false and defamatory. He subsequently decided to step down from the boards of LetterOne and Alfa Group, so that they could avoid sanctions.[23] As reported by several media, Fridman has already filed lawsuits challenging sanctions on at least two occasions, like in July 2022[24] and in December 2022.[25]
In December 2022, a man reported by Russian state media to be Fridman was arrested in London by the UK’s National Crime Agency, on charges of money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the Home Office and conspiracy to commit perjury.[26][27] The UK National Crime Agency did not name the man, stating only that it had detained a 58-year-old “wealthy Russian businessman” at a “multi-million-pound residence”.[28] He was later released on bail.[29] Subsequently, the agency scaled back its probe.[30] In September 2023 the National Crime Agency closed the investigation.[31][32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadi_Gaydamak

Arcadi Aleksandrovich Gaydamak (Hebrew: ארקדי אלכסנדרוביץ’ גאידמק; Russian: Аркадий Александрович Гайдамак; born 8 April 1952 in Moscow, USSR) is a Russian-born French-Israeli businessman, philanthropist, and President of the Congress of Jewish Religious Communities and Organizations of Russia (KEROOR). In the 1990s he was awarded the French Ordre national du Mérite[1][2] and the Ordre du Mérite agricole for actions taken to rescue personnel in the War in Bosnia. He holds Israeli, Canadian, French, and Russian nationalities, as well as a diplomatic passport from Angola. Gaydamak’s net worth was valued between $700 million and $4 billion USD in 2007,[3] but following a series of lawsuits, failed investments, and the global economic crisis in 2008, his net worth declined significantly.
Gaydamak invested in real estate in France and Israel, in Kazphosphate – the world’s largest phosphate producer, in a gold mine and a metal processing plant in Kazakhstan, in the Russian weekly Moskovskiye Novosti, in food distribution in Russia and in oil fields and granaries in Angola. In Israel, his assets included the Bikur Holim hospital in Jerusalem, the Beitar Jerusalem football club, 15% of Africa Israel Holdings, and 99FM radio station. His significant and rapid investments in Israel made him a celebrity in Israel during the mid-2000s, with many mentions in the local media.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarakh_Iliev

Zarakh Iliev is known for his close connections with the Russian and Azerbaijani political elite. Ilham Rahimov, a former fellow student of Vladimir Putin, holds shares in many of Kievskaya Ploshchad’s projects.
Following the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the USA, the UK, and Ukraine placed Iliev on the sanction lists.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viatcheslav_Kantor

Kantor was President of the European Jewish Congress, President of the World Holocaust Forum Foundation (WHF), Chairman of the European Jewish Fund (EJF), and Chairman of the World Jewish Congress (WJC) Policy Council.[2][3]
[…]
Kantor had[citation needed] close ties to the Vladimir Putin regime in Russia.[10] However, in 2014 he allocated at least two million dollars in aid to the voluntary Jewish battalion Matilan, formed to fight the separatists of Donbass backed with Putin regime.[11][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Khan

Sanctions (2022)
Khan (along with Fridman and Kuzmichev) was sanctioned by the EU and UK in February and March 2022 as part of an extensive package of sanctions against Russian officials and oligarchs imposed in response to the 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine. Khan stepped down from the LetterOne board in March. In April Alfa Bank was hit with sanctions by the U.S.[49] [50]
Khan is an active supporter of the Life Line charitable programme, which provides medicine and surgery for seriously ill children in Russia. Since its founding in 2008, the program claims that 8334 children have been saved as a result of their work.[52] Khan is a supporter of Jewish initiatives in Russia and elsewhere in Europe. An active member of the Russian Jewish Congress,[34][53] Khan regularly contributes to the European Jewish Fund, a non-profit organization aimed at developing European Jewry and promoting tolerance and reconciliation.[18] Khan along with Stan Polovets, Mikhail Fridman, Pyotr Aven, and Alexander Knaster founded the Genesis Philanthropy Group in 2011, whose purpose is to develop and enhance Jewish identity among Jews worldwide.[19][54][55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Mikhelson

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Mikhelson obtained a stake in a privatized pipeline construction company out of which he formed Novatek.[2] He is a business partner of Russian billionaire Gennady Timchenko, a close confidante of Russian leader Vladimir Putin.[2]
According to Bloomberg Billionaires Index, he had a net worth of US$28.8 billion, as of August 2022, making him the 44th richest person in the world and the second richest in Russia.[3] According to the 2023 Forbes annual rating, Mikhelson is ranked 4th among Russian billionaires with a net worth of $28.5 billion.[4]
[…]
Sanctions
Mikhelson is one of many Russian “oligarchs” named in the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, CAATSA, signed into law by President Donald Trump in 2017.[27] He was sanctioned by the British government in 2022 in relation to Russo-Ukrainian War.[28]

We can go on, but you get the picture. Notice what is common about all those people — the only one of these who is not Jewish is Deripaska, who is of Ukrainian origin.
And in general you will be hard pressed to find Russian oligarchs that are not of Jewish origin. Of the ones close to Putin practically all are.
And they are not the Chomsky-type, I quoted some examples of what kind of activities they sponsor.
Of the non-Jewish oligarchs, half of the rest are of various Turkic origin, and only a small minority are ethnic Russians.
Meanwhile you will find no Jews in the military command; furthermore, in the Strategic Missile Forces they only take ethnic Russians. You have people like Yevkurov (who is an Ingush) and Shoigu (Tuvan) get to high ranks in the command structure, but the SMF is strictly ethnic Russian.
You can probably see how the two groups — economic oligarchy and strategic military commands — might have different views on a lot things.
Now what is it that Russia MUST do right now? It has to physically take out the NATO infrastructure in Europe and the US bases in the Middle East and East Asia, so that the imminent threat of decapitating attack is removed. It could live with those in the past, but no longer. Not after the US started direct strikes against Russian territory. Certainly not after Toropets.
Russia has the technical means to do it, and if it does it properly, there should not be a global nuclear exchange because the rational move for the other side is to tuck its tail and retreat to its island rather than have everyone dead.
But what happens as a consequence of such a move? What happens is that Israel ceases to exist because NATO in Europe and the US bases in the Middle East are Israel’s rear and the guarantor of its existence.
And you see who owns Russia right now.
Again, we don’t have inside info, but we can judge who has more influence over Putin based on his actions that we do see.
Which are that Putin bluffed against with the Oreshnik strike, but other than that has acquiesced to missile strikes on Russian territory becoming the new normal. What does that tell us?
P.S. Missile and drone strike activity has decrease noticeably the last few days, which I think is because the military managed to take out a lot of launchers and missiles. But that is temporarily — NATO will bring more and it will all resume with renewed vigor.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 8:34 utc | 448

@ANON2022 | Dec 1 2024 23:33 utc | 435
>>Israel – it has no strategic depth.
Well you’re right about the geography–which the Izzies are working to fix in their favor every. single. day. But beyond that? Israel has submarines which you don’t mention, built for them by Germany. (Did the Izzies ever actually, you know, pay for them, or did they just take possession?) Let’s see, what would Izzies do with those: study marine biology, or place nukes on them? 🙂 Israel has loan guarantees; not my forte, but sounds to me that at the hour of truth, Tel Aviv can dip into both the US and EU treasuries before actually going bankrupt. And, as my own family don’t like to hear, Supreme Leader Bibi by and large has de facto command control over NATO. Washington pretends to beg Israel for restraint, but when Bibi makes a sovereign decision to bomb Yemen, Iran, Syria, whatever, the entire West gets in line to provide him with intel, refueling assets, air defense, and munitions–it’s surreal.
These are strategic depth which Syria can only dream of. The geography which you cite means that, indeed, Israel can’t nuke its neighbors frivolously without suffering fallout itself; so Hezbollah has room to Resist–up to a point. But note, frivolously: Israeli threats are credible, and the whole world treats them as such. To come back to the IAF: my best take is that Hezbollah are brave fighters and tough-talking machos–which may indeed make them natural allies of Iran. 🙂 They just didn’t have the strength to touch Israeli aviation, while said aviation could touch any Lebanese brick still on top of another brick. Oh and deep-seated bunkers as well, once papa gave them the toys to do so.
Then again, Israel seems close to tearing itself apart domestically. So it’s probably more a dangerous place rather than an appealing civilizational model. Still, don’t count them out.
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@james | Dec 2 2024 5:28 utc | 453
>>ma laoshi is a confusing person to me
It may be that I’ve lived too long outside the West to still be part of it mentally. I count myself lucky to get out before this virtue-signaling mania became hegemonic. (E.g. all those journalists making their reports in 2016 “Of course I will vote for Hillary, but …” What do we care how you will vote?) You may pick the woke, MAGA, or Resistance side to signal from (do the woke still believe they’re actually Resisting something after they became hegemonic)–but signal you must. So if I see the loyalists in Syria asleep at the wheel (how “loyal” are they even if they could just be bribed by the dozen) and I’m being sarcastic about that I get called a Zionist, which is clearly intended as a slur. Now even if this were true, quod non: what’s the point of calling each other names in a discussion thread?
Example which didn’t involve me. Hezbollah consented to withdraw north of Litani, which of course means that the IDF has a free hand to dismantle all their assets south of it. What does anybody think, is UNIFIL going to stop the Izzies by waving a treaty in front of their noses? 🙂 One person here draws the obvious conclusion that Hezbollah was defeated. Now somebody else may rightfully point out that there are nuances; but instead, they get furious for Bad Words having been spoken on hallowed ground. The way I see it, banning an ever-expanding list of Bad Words is a big part of what got the West into its mess–Cultural Revolution and all that.
Upon reflection, I sometimes confuse myself. When I read of Hezbollah entering into a gentleman’s agreement with the Izzies to mutually refrain from hits on the top leaderships, the dark side of my head still feels some vestigial racial pride “Joke’s on you suckers, what did you think would happen?!” Gentleman’s agreements are to be concluded with gentlemen not Zionists: the Talmud takes a flexible, “situational” approach to promises to the goyim. I respect Hezbollah (not SAA) enough to assume that their higher-ups had read themselves some Talmud; seems those lessons didn’t stick.
If my words don’t impress you (and y’day I was at my laptop with time on my hands, so probably there were too many of them): it’s fine really; no need to even mention separately, but do as you must. Peace.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 2 2024 8:39 utc | 449

@Fred | Dec 2 2024 1:36 utc | 449
>>Unhealthy unjust means of control …
Since @juliania | Dec 2 2024 6:26 utc | 456 just followed me into cinema metaphors:

The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

[Princess Leia]
Will probably happen eventually; hasn’t really happened yet. Or rather, as (a majority of) Georgians finally get fed up with the Empire’s BS, on cue Taiwanese, Uzbek islamists, Finns, and what have you are queuing up to Serve. As long as there is a USD, as long as billions are praying daily to the God of Israel, it’s going to be a long slog.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 2 2024 9:01 utc | 450

Terrific Thread by Jenan Moussa. Take Your Time and Read It
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1863342251255980249
“Developments in Syria going so fast that reports become obsolete moments later.
I’ve reported from inside Syria since 2011 and I live in the MidEast. So, let me explain in this thread what the implications could be for Syria and wider region in case the Syrian regime falls…”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 2 2024 6:09 utc | 455
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There is a handful or maybe 2 handfuls of commentators I trust with regard to Syria – in order of looks they include Eva Bartlett, Syria Girl, Vanessa Beely. I can see I will have to include Jenan Moussa in that group. Kevork’s communications are gold. And Pepe Escobar and Elijah Mangnier are also great.
This thread has been great for seeing the various nature’s of some MOA commenters.

Posted by: Ново З | Dec 2 2024 9:48 utc | 451

@ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 8:34 utc | 459
>>Now what is it that Russia MUST do right now? It has to physically take out the NATO infrastructure
I get why you are frustrated, my friend, and I see many of the same problems. But in your frustration, you propose to replace that which is unsatisfactory with the idiotic and suicidal. Please read back what you just wrote once you cooled down. Russia has excellent toys, yes; but they are not the only ones with toys. Most successful polities have a civilian leadership besides/above the military one, because absent a dollar press you need to pay the bills. Ergo you need export markets, trade partners, and all that. And you need to deal with the interests who actually run your economy, or go full Khmer Rouge; but if people fondly remember Democratic Kampuchea as a success formula, I give them a wide berth. Trying to make money isn’t automatically “selling out”; were a govt to forget that part, within months the population would complain “How could they have been so shortsighted?”
I try not to be off-topic too badly; but in the end who cares, because this is all one conflict–something which Psychohistorian may have an opinion on. 🙂 Moscow felt they had to intervene in Syria, but their commitment was sharply limited (probably, wisely so); so they tried to bluff their way through staring down the USA. Glass half full, they saved Assad and more importantly saved Damascus and with that the state, which would probably have fallen without the cavalry flying in (if that makes any sense). So far so good, but along the way Russian deterrence collapsed, and now those bills are coming due. So you need to restore deterrence; if Putin is not the man to do it, no wartime leader, then get on with it and find someone else. It’s not like Vlad wasn’t given a fair chance to enact his own vision. NATO just needs reminding that they bleed like the rest of us; that their backers and sponsors can lose money if they mess with the wrong guys. To opt instead for blaze of glory, Thelma & Louise, People’s Temple, just seems extreme defeatism to me.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 2 2024 10:00 utc | 452

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 2 2024 0:45 utc | 443
Perhaps, though someone pro-Hamas might want to reflect on what the Syrian “opposition” have done to oppose Israel, as opposed to being extremely active against Assad and his state, who, warts and all, have never concluded peace treaties with Israel or “normalised”. Unlike Egypt, Jordan and a number of others. I don’t know if the “opposition” flag wearer was a Syrian expatriate, a Palestinian or other Arab or even a Brit – I did not get close enough to even see him or her and later the flag disappeared.
The attitude of Hamas does reflect the poison of sectarianism in the Muslim world, with Sunnis being incited against Shia, and undoubtedly some forces have played on this, not least the Zionists.

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 2 2024 14:19 utc | 453

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 2 2024 14:19 utc | 465

I’m reminded of the now-memory holed event in Iraq circa 2004 when the SAS operatives got caught dressed as Shia with explosive devices and weapons in the vehicle..in Mosul maybe?
Most vividly I remember the Iraqi prison, filled with rapists and murderers, being attacked by the regular British army including a Challenger tank, so they could free their pet SAS terrorists who were clearly part of a campaign to incite sectarian tensions. Of course all the criminals escaped as well because they battered a wall down.
This Shia-Sunni division has been long planned and long fueled by foreign forces working on behalf of Israel.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 2 2024 14:41 utc | 454

There is a handful or maybe 2 handfuls of commentators I trust with regard to Syria – in order of looks they include Eva Bartlett, Syria Girl, Vanessa Beely. I can see I will have to include Jenan Moussa in that group. Kevork’s communications are gold. And Pepe Escobar and Elijah Mangnier are also great.
This thread has been great for seeing the various nature’s of some MOA commenters.
Posted by: Ново З | Dec 2 2024 9:48 utc | 462
You might want to rethink trusting Jenan Moussa. From some quick research I would note she is a contributor to western msm @ https://foreignpolicy.com/author/jenan-moussa/
Going through her articles, she sure has an awful lot of “exclusives” with Syrian jihadists. This suggests friendliness with the jihadists and/or CIA status. The angle of her articles are all anti-Assad, trying to spin the ISIS crowd as an indigenous Syrian “revolution” as opposed to a foreign-backed regime change campaign.
She speaks at the Oslo Freedom Forum, same as the CIA favourite Jamal Khashoggi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMed-tnTfcw
Note in this speech she is trying to link the ISIS “revolution” in Syria as positive for women’s rights and that women shouldn’t accept Assad in power. Also note she admits she has access through ISIS controlled Syria as well as a Syrian government visa ban, very clearly illustrating which side she’s on.
Overall the profile of your typical US regime change agent.

Posted by: Autumn | Dec 2 2024 15:10 utc | 455

Posted by: Santi | Dec 2 2024 9:49 utc | 463
Very insightful analysis. Thanks.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 2 2024 15:18 utc | 456

BREAKING: RUSSIAN AIRSTRIKES have eliminated HUNDREDS of US-backed terrorists in Aleppo, Syria.
https://x.com/LegitTargets/status/1863583910334247010/photo/1

Posted by: ld | Dec 2 2024 15:20 utc | 457

To opt instead for blaze of glory, Thelma & Louise, People’s Temple, just seems extreme defeatism to me.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 2 2024 10:00 utc | 464

I didn’t say what I said out of emotions and frustration.
What has already happened:
1) NATO invaded Russia
2) NATO has given itself official permission to launch missile strikes into Russia
3) NATO is soon going to give itself official permission to launch very deep missile strikes into Russia with JASSM-ERs and Tomahawks
4) NATO already nuked several key objects in Russia. Toropets most spectacularly and with the largest yield, but there were several others too in August and September. And Toropets was done by a NATO jet from over Latvia or Estonia. The Kremlin hushed it up in order to “avoid escalation”, but we have it on video and we know what happened.
An all-out exchange would have started half a century ago over even just one of these infractions, let alone the full sequence.
Pre-emptively, because everyone understood what the next steps would be – decapitation strikes and total annihilation.
That is what the whole deep-strike boiling-the-frog thing is about – have the Russians get accustomed to conventional such strikes, have them accustomed to increasingly large salvos, then hit them hard with nukes before they can react.
Things are that dire, and the rational analysis tells us that the Russian reaction has to be to neutralize the threat physically. Which means large-scale strikes on NATO, and not just in Europe.
The Oreshnik provides hypothetical means to do it without killing millions in the process, so that is a very welcome development, but it is meaningless if you don’t dare use it.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 15:28 utc | 458

NATO is soon going to give itself official permission to launch very deep missile strikes into Russia with JASSM-ERs and Tomahawks
4) NATO already nuked several key objects in Russia.

Are the deep missile strikes and already ‘nuked’ objects in the room with us right now?
You’re as bad as any NATO general. A fantasist.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 2 2024 16:03 utc | 459

The Lebanon cease-fire may not hold…
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/12/02/738356/Hezbollah-targets-Israeli-site-in-response-to-violations-of-ceasefire-

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 2 2024 16:11 utc | 460

Are the deep missile strikes and already ‘nuked’ objects in the room with us right now?
You’re as bad as any NATO general. A fantasist.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 2 2024 16:03 utc | 471

Toropets explosion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukhqqRdhcMw&ab_channel=TheTimesandTheSundayTimes
Windows were knocked out in a 10-mile radius
Satellite photos of the aftermath showed a clear airburst, not a ground explosion

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 16:13 utc | 461

I’m reminded of the now-memory holed event in Iraq circa 2004 when the SAS operatives got caught dressed as Shia with explosive devices and weapons in the vehicle..in Mosul maybe?
Most vividly I remember the Iraqi prison, filled with rapists and murderers, being attacked by the regular British army including a Challenger tank, so they could free their pet SAS terrorists who were clearly part of a campaign to incite sectarian tensions. Of course all the criminals escaped as well because they battered a wall down.
This Shia-Sunni division has been long planned and long fueled by foreign forces working on behalf of Israel.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 2 2024 14:41 utc | 466
It was actually more to divide Iraqi resistance movement which was causing the US trouble at the time. The false flag mosque bombings around that period set off a sectarian conflict that had Iraqis more eager to shoot at each other instead of the Americans.
The playbook should be familiar to everybody by now right? North vs South Korea, Russia vs Ukraine, China vs Taiwan, Sunni vs Shia. Inciting conflicts via proxies, puppets and propaganda, destabilising countries around the world and setting them against each to ensure US hegemony.

Posted by: Autumn | Dec 2 2024 16:20 utc | 462

re: Autumn | Dec 2 2024 15:10 utc | 467
Thanks for your correction. My appraisal of Jenan Moussa was based on very little – really only Kevork’s reference to her tweet (of which I’ve only been able to read her point #1).
I think of George Galloway’s friend Jamal Khashoggi as being a recipient of a dramatic form of the “Assad must go!” curse – one of his last articles was about how Syria should be cut into pieces.

Posted by: Ново З | Dec 2 2024 17:04 utc | 463

Una cosa che soprassiede le altre è che Putin deve imparare a punire chi suggerisce e aiuta ad armare i Suoi nemici altrimenti prima o poi dovrà cedere perchè non può dedicarsi a tre conflitti contemporaneamente. Dovrebbe in primis farla finita con l’Ucraina ch’è diventata il suo tallone d’Achille spinta da chi vuole invadere la Russia.Deve cominciare a fare un elenco per attivre un pò di pulizia prima nelle basi Nato & Anglo-Amerikane in Ucraina, dopodichè colpire le industrie belliche in Europa e in Occidente USA compresa. Caro Presidente Putin ha cercato verbalmente di avvertire codesti signori ma ci vuole una dura attivazione pratica per farsi comprendere .

Posted by: Gaspare | Dec 2 2024 17:31 utc | 464

the translation for anyone interested..
One thing that stands out above all others is that Putin must learn to punish those who suggest and help arm his enemies, otherwise sooner or later he will have to give in because he cannot dedicate himself to three conflicts at the same time. He should first of all put an end to Ukraine which has become his Achilles heel, pushed by those who want to invade Russia. He must start making a list to activate a bit of cleanup first in the NATO & Anglo-American bases in Ukraine, then hit the war industries in Europe and the West, including the USA. Dear President Putin has tried to verbally warn these gentlemen but it takes a hard practical activation to make himself understood.

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2024 17:36 utc | 465

Iranian foreign minister Araqchi, in Damascus yesterday and in Ankara today, meeting with Erdogan. Both will present joint press release later today. These two meetings were announced a couple of days ago but apparently were not picked up by any press. Also, don’t forget that Shoigu was recently in Iran. Just noting … also Hezebollah is now carefully addressing the Israeli violations of the ceasefire within the boundaries of what is legally permissible – Shebaa Farms, an occupied territory.
If the warrants from the Hague and the South African genocide cases are to move forward, would it not be important for the Axis of Resistence to play by the rules? Particularly, if a war crimes tribunal is already being planned?

Posted by: abierno | Dec 2 2024 17:51 utc | 466

@ abierno | Dec 2 2024 17:51 utc | 478
I like the way you think: Indeed the Resistance can respond in ways that don’t cede the moral (or even legal) high ground.
That much said, I’m not optimistic about any tribunals being established.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 20:00 utc | 467

James: The fading regime running the $enile One, is foaming at the mouth for Russia to directly attack this ruptured republic and once again divide the people here in the U$$A. So my thought would be to devastate the British “owned” bit of the “Empiah”, the Island of Diego Garcia, smack dab in the core of the Indian Ocean. The primary U$$A base/s there could be targeted by Oreshnik MLRB missiles, with a spread of sub-munitions which could take out the primary target/s there.
Oh yes, American “servicemen” would become “collateral damage” and the Main$cream Media would holler to the highest heavens. However, that unlawful and awful replacement of its native peoples being targeted would reverberate very keenly with the ROW (rest of the world) as the cork in the oceanic bottleneck would be massively degraded.
A majority of Americans would not go ballistic as so many are suffering from a collapsing economy and “who cares” about some tiny island they could not possibly locate on a globe.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 2 2024 20:29 utc | 468

Iranian foreign minister Araqchi, in Damascus yesterday and in Ankara today, meeting with Erdogan. Both will present joint press release later today. These two meetings were announced a couple of days ago but apparently were not picked up by any press. Also, don’t forget that Shoigu was recently in Iran. Just noting … also Hezebollah is now carefully addressing the Israeli violations of the ceasefire within the boundaries of what is legally permissible – Shebaa Farms, an occupied territory.
Posted by: abierno | Dec 2 2024 17:51 utc | 478
Looking forward to what Erdogan has to say about this Syrian flare up.
One positive about this is that it’s a good reminder to Russia about the necessity of finishing the job in Ukraine and to not accept half measures.

Posted by: Autumn | Dec 2 2024 20:39 utc | 469

Looking forward to what Erdogan has to say about this Syrian flare up.
Posted by: Autumn | Dec 2 2024 20:39 utc | 481
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Well yeah, I suppose, although it will be either a half-truth or a whole-cloth lie…sort of in the vein of the oft-repeated “Turkey respects Syrian territorial integrity”.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2024 21:02 utc | 470

@ malenkov | Dec 2 2024 21:02 utc | 482
i heard erdogan was a good ventriloquist!!! maybe he can do a good topo gigio imitation too, lol.. waiting for anyone from him is like waiting for hell to freeze over..

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2024 21:44 utc | 471

Who are the terrorist factions that the army is facing in the north? Details of the plan that started from the Bab al-Hawa crossing in the presence of “al-Jolani”
Journalist Reda Al-Basha for Ninar FM:
– Two months ago, a secret meeting was leaked at the Bab al-Hawa crossing attended by Ukrainian and French intelligence officers and a Turkish intelligence officer with the terrorist “Abu Muhammad al-Julani” in the presence of leaders of the terrorist “Turkistan Islamic Party” and the leadership of the terrorist groups “Ajnad al-Sham” and “Ansar al-Tawhid”.
– It was agreed at the meeting to hand over to the terrorists advanced weapons, guided missiles, and modern suicide drones that can carry 250 kg of explosives, which Ukraine undertook to deliver to the terrorists of the Turkestan Party.
-All factions leading terrorist operations against the Syrian Arab Army and civilian locations are armed terrorist factions according to the international classification, by a decision of the Security Council.
– At the beginning of the recent terrorist act in Aleppo, the terrorist “Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement”, militarily supported by Turkey, joined and took charge of the terrorist act towards the western countryside of Aleppo from Qubtan al-Jabal, Ainjara and the 76th Regiment, and was joined by the militants of the so-called “Joint Force” of the terrorists of the so-called “Hamzat and al-Amshat” and the terrorists of “Sultan Murad”, which are armed Turkmen factions linked by intelligence to Turkey, and they entered the attack during the second day towards the northern countryside of Aleppo.
-After that, the terrorists of the so-called “National Army” affiliated with the “Syrian Opposition Coalition” entered the Turkish orbit and began a terrorist operation towards the northern and eastern countryside of Aleppo, around Tal Rifaat, Al-Bab, Nubl and Al-Zahraa.
– A Turkish-French-Ukrainian-American intelligence administration moved the terrorists of “Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham”, “Ajnad al-Qawqaz Uzbeks” and “Uyghurs Turkestani”, in addition to the terrorists of “Ansar al-Tawhid” who are the remnants of ISIS present in Idlib, and the terrorists of the so-called “National Army”, “Hamzat”, “Al-Amshat”, “Sultan Murad”, “Nour al-Din al-Zenki” and the terrorists of the “National Liberation Front” which includes the militants of “Ahrar al-Sham”.
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Posted by: Jo | Dec 2 2024 23:25 utc | 472

a cunning plan to get Iran presence much more involved in Syria so IDF can attack both even more????.A battlefield away from Iran but Iran prestige to suffer as Syria has no if any air defense??

Posted by: Jo | Dec 2 2024 23:33 utc | 473

WTF? “…Syria has no if any air defense?? Perhaps you have not followed the news. Syria based Russian and Syrian air forces have reportedly eliminated around a thousand of those approximately 15,000 mercenary terrorists, supported by the Evil Empire and it’s U$$A designated attack dogs, along with the totally evil Izzies themselves AND by “Sultan” Erdogan of Turkiye.
The faltering and internally unstable Izzies have only one single military element which could attack Syria, as they have done multiple times in recent weeks…their Di$trict of Corruption blackmailed and bribed puppets have provided the enemies of humanity with both the planes and the bombs. If they come in to support the terrorists, they may need to face Russian SU-37, the world’s most advanced fighter jets.
So far, Russia got snookered playing footsie with both the regime of Erdogan and the Izzies, who include close to two million dual citizens with the R.U. But now that the “Sultan” has outed himself as a treacherous snake and the Izzies continue their aerial genocied of the Palestinian people…it could be that Russia has taken off the gloves and may teach the Bass-turds a well deserved lesson.
Rest assured. When Iranian troops enter their fellow Resistance forces in Syria, they will be not only be protected by their own massive missile and drone forces…but also by their close allies, the Russian Union. Geopolitical idiots may accuse me of being a “Manacheist”, however this war for all the marbles is a matter of the relatively good versus the materialistic, colonialist and greedy evil ones.
The dark Empire, centered in City of London and on Wall $treet must fall.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 3 2024 0:05 utc | 474

@ANON2022 | Dec 2 2024 15:28 utc | 470
>>4) NATO already nuked several key objects in Russia. Toropets most
>>spectacularly and with the largest yield
And I guess in a country full of scientists and well-equipped labs, the ensuing radioactivity was detected by nobody but yourself? Let me for a change talk about something I do know a bit about: a mushroom cloud is caused by convection, not by fission directly. Releasing enough heat at once in a small area will do it. When Russia popped not a warehouse/silo, but an entire base full of ammo silos in both Khmelnitski and Poltava I think, the ensuing mushroom clouds pierced the normal cloud cover. Indeed these were estimated at a yield of ~4 kt TNT, that is a mini-nuke equivalent. Windows were shattered in a wide radius, just like you know they were by the Chelyabinsk meteor–because chemical/kinetic-energy/nuclear explosions are all explosions, causing large shock waves depending more on the total yield than on the type of energy source.
The lightning flashes accompanying some atmospheric nuke tests are indicative if I have it right, because they depend on ionization instead of just any heat source. Or, one may “explain” them through religion, which even the best scientist cannot disprove really.
My God, on Southfront forums before those became all sexual slurs, and Russia Insider before that became all bible-thumping, there were regulars who just knew that Yemen had been nuked, and oh the Iraq-Kuwait theatre before that. In fact, a deliberate US psy-op contributed to that canard: they dropped leaflets over Saddam’s hapless troops warning them “We’ll use a weapon on you of unprecedented power”, and proceeded to drop a fuel-air bomb. I.e., more-or-less what we call a thermobaric in the Ukraine War. “The Nord Stream pipelines were nuked” and “The New York WTC was nuked” are separate cottage industries.
If I may, the following parable may help. Omitting personal details, I have first-hand knowledge of agitated conversation between two young women. “OMG, I’m four days late, I’m sure I am pregnant” “But, did he actually put it in?” “What do I even know, it all happened so quickly!” “If you don’t know then that means he didn’t; for if he had, you’d have felt and remembered.” No need to say, two days later it turned out that the lady with … a bit more life experience was right, and the virgin wasn’t preggers–how often has that happened anyway? 🙂 You see the morale of the story coming: there are stealth planes and stealth ships, and awful things can and will happen. But the Russian Federation is not going to get stealth-nuked.
A longer post than your rant deserves, but hope the above is useful.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 3 2024 2:58 utc | 475

Xinhuanet reports the Turkey/Iran FM meeting and calls out the two-faced Turkey at end

ANKARA, Dec. 2 (Xinhua) — Turkish and Iranian foreign ministers on Monday expressed the need to defuse tensions following large-scale clashes between Syrian government forces and rebel militants in northwestern Syria.
In a joint press conference following a meeting with his Iranian counterpart in Ankara, Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said that his country has repeatedly issued warnings to all parties of the conflict to avoid escalation of tensions.
“Recent developments in Syria show the need for compromise between the Syrian government and armed opposition forces, and Türkiye is ready to contribute to such a dialogue if necessary,” he stressed.
“Türkiye does not wish to see a further escalation of civil war in Syria,” Fidan said, stressing that problems unresolved in the past since the start of unrest in Syria led to the current situation.
He added that Türkiye and Iran “saw eye-to-eye” in cooperation against terrorism, and Ankara would not allow terrorist groups to exploit instability in Syria.
For his part, Iranian Foreign Minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi said that his country also does not want an escalation of hostilities in Syria, according to semi-official Anadolu Agency.
Tehran shares common concerns with Türkiye regarding regional developments, particularly in Syria, Araghchi pointed out.
Both ministers pledged to support the territorial integrity of Syria and that they are ready to implement what is required of them within the Astana format talks between Russia, Iran, and Türkiye, Anadolu added.
Russia, Iran, and Türkiye launched a process in January 2017 in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, which aims for a peaceful settlement in Syria.
Regional players Türkiye and Iran have intensified diplomatic discussions since the start of large-scale clashes between Syrian government forces and rebel militants.
Tehran was a staunch ally of the Syrian government during the civil war that broke out in 2011, while Ankara supported rebel factions.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2024 6:25 utc | 476

tld 469 — Picture on X link, Assad in Moscow with Putin but why is a picture of Assad hanging on the wall? behind them? Just wondering…

Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 3 2024 6:33 utc | 477

Xinhuanet reports the Turkey/Iran FM meeting and calls out the two-faced Turkey at end
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2024 6:25 utc | 488

Not just Turkey, if the translation is correct:

Tehran was a staunch ally of the Syrian government during the civil war that broke out in 2011, while Ankara supported rebel factions.

There is a sneak diss towards Iran too — “Tehran was a staunch ally”.
In the past tense.
Which is true — where are the Iranian forces now? It’s been a week.
Although the same applies to China too — that’s the end of the Belt & Road initiative if Syria falls. China should be sending real and serious military aid right now, as much as physically possible to move in a given amount of time. They are not.
The Russian VKS is doing what it can, but how much can you do with air strikes alone and with a couple dozen planes or whatever paltry force they have there?
And now the Americans have started striking SAA positions too…

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 3 2024 9:04 utc | 478

>>4) NATO already nuked several key objects in Russia. Toropets most
>>spectacularly and with the largest yield
And I guess in a country full of scientists and well-equipped labs, the ensuing radioactivity was detected by nobody but yourself? Let me for a change talk about something I do know a bit about: a mushroom cloud is caused by convection, not by fission directly. Releasing enough heat at once in a small area will do it. When Russia popped not a warehouse/silo, but an entire base full of ammo silos in both Khmelnitski and Poltava I think, the ensuing mushroom clouds pierced the normal cloud cover. Indeed these were estimated at a yield of ~4 kt TNT, that is a mini-nuke equivalent. Windows were shattered in a wide radius, just like you know they were by the Chelyabinsk meteor–because chemical/kinetic-energy/nuclear explosions are all explosions, causing large shock waves depending more on the total yield than on the type of energy source.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 3 2024 2:58 utc | 487

1) Yes, Russia started it first in Khmelnitsky, and possibly even earlier, that is correct. It was in its right to do so – reportedly that was the depleted uranium ammo from the UK.
2) 4 kt TNT you say? In fact it was more that that in Toropets based on the size of the mushroom cloud, but let’s say it is 4 kt.
How many thousands of tons of munitions do you think there were there in total?
Spread over how many hangars?
How much is there in an individual hangar?
How do several dozen hangars explode all at once given that they are designed and built precisely in order to prevent a chain reaction cook off?
How do they dozens of hangars explode and leave a single crater with trees blasted in a radial pattern?
Once you honestly answer those questions to yourself, you will see the absurdity of your claim.
Ukrainian drones have hit Russian ammo depots many times, including some of the other big ones like the one in Toropets. What happens is an explosion of one of the hangars, if that, and that’s it, and that explosion cooks off over an extended period of time. Because, again, they are designed with such events in mind. Separated by earthen embankments, walls hardened, etc. This was very, very different.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Dec 3 2024 9:12 utc | 479

ANON2022 Dec 3@904
You claim that “Americans” are bombing Syrian Army positions. Here I thought I was well informed on these matters. In this case you should have cited your sources, so we all can be aware of such provocations.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 3 2024 10:07 utc | 480

Psychohistorian Dec 3 @625
The Turkey foreign minister is lying through his teeth. There is NO genuine opposition in Syria. The call he makes for negotiations are ridiculous on their conniving face. It is not possible to “negotiate” with fanatical headchoppers. They have been trained and armed by the nefarious Erdogan regime…along with nasty Talmudist controlled actors such as the U$$A Department of State and Perfidious Albion.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 3 2024 10:12 utc | 481

@ANON2022 | Dec 3 2024 9:12 utc | 491
>>Yes, Russia started it first in Khmelnitsky
“started it”: ummm okay. Started what? Indeed the consensus is that Khmelnitsky was not an accident. So are you saying that Russia struck the base, which I think the Moscow MoD acknowledges? Or do you say that Putin just went ahead and nuked it, and all of NATO is covering it up for him?
>>How many thousands of tons of munitions do you think there were there in total?
Look I answered you with integrity, based more on general physics knowledge rather than true subject expertise. This inter alia means I’m not just going to make up stuff about things which I don’t know. But let’s do some numbers together, since it seems emotion intrudes when you do this all by yourself. A single pallet of shells could already be hundreds of kg of TNT; a single FAB-1500 (1500 is gross weight) is close to a ton of the stuff. So could an entire base full of pallets and bombs have a yield of 4000 ton? You bet. This is not the Taliban bringing in kit on mules; this is all of NATO bringing in freight trains, which the Kremlin so far seems cool with for reasons known to itself. So yes we’re talking about *thousands of tons*; NATO’s 2023 counteroffensive was a clusterfuck, but not to the extent they thought they could supply it with just two trucks and the handbag of Ursula VdL.
>>How do several dozen hangars explode all at once given that they are designed
>>and built precisely in order to prevent a chain reaction cook off?
You’re on to something, but I think you’re mixing things up. “Cook off” normally refers to secondary explosions caused by a spreading fire–a gradual release of energy. Tons of video of those online, also from e.g. factories in Bulgaria and what have you. A chain-reaction detonation spreading at the speed of an ever-expanding shock wave (which is also what happens within a single munition, starting from the fuze or blast cap) functions like a single giant bomb, and may look nuclear with a kt-range yield. Hollywood “explosions” are mostly done with gas I believe; yes they employ licensed pyrotechnics of course, but they’re mostly creating flames, with the sound effects added afterwards like with everything else. (Like, real swords are mostly silent of course.) Were they to use TNT they’d kill off cast&crew; that’s what high explosives are for.
I’m not a demolitions guy outside of gaming; I’ve never designed an ammo base. But engineering being engineering, let’s think things through. A design is not “safe” or not intrinsically: depends on what you’re going to store there, and how much. Khmelnitsky works differently [well no more, but you know what I mean :-)] from the safe in a civilian fireworks shop. A properly designed 500-man prison becomes a riot risk if you put 2000 guys there (have there been major riots in female prisons?), because now the inmates are no longer contained; this happens again and again and again. Under wartime pressure, rules get bent; Ukraine was not designed for war with Russia, as they now learn to their ruin. Those NATO trains unload where they can and must, not where it’s necessarily safe. Maybe the base specialists who knew what they were doing were sent off to the trenches, or fled abroad. Maybe the base design didn’t account for an attack with cluster munitions hitting many silos at once.
Yes an entire base going poof shouldn’t happen. Yes after the Yeltsin chaos, United Russia has a mania to project “biz as usual” and papers stuff over, like politicos everywhere; overall Russians still like that, though it may look indifferent, even callous, to those paying attention. Who said of the chess game “the person playing the second-last blunder wins”? If Russia didn’t screw up, they could’ve probably prevented the whole war. The Moskva shouldn’t have sailed in range of the bad guys unescorted; but she did (or did the old girl just hit a sea mine). Hundreds of tons of nitrate fertilizer shouldn’t have been stored next to downtown Beirut, but dozens of people knew and thought “Nah it’ll be fine.” The SAA saw what happened when Hezbollah was caught napping, looked at their own pagers etc, and went “Surely Mossad wouldn’t ever hurt us?”; idiots. And so it goes on all sides, like it always has.
Look up Operation Snowball and its successors, where a pile of TNT was used to simulate an 0.5 kt nuke blast. We don’t have to approve, but those guys knew more than you and me combined: one mushroom is pretty similar to the other mushroom.
>>Once you honestly answer those questions
Look I’ve done what I could, based on partial knowledge. If you question not just my answers which are fair game, but also the integrity behind them, I might get a tad annoyed. But then you seem agitated about many things, so I don’t take it personally. On the computer-chess side there is a Crimean guy who is contributing brilliantly, but he still had to be booted out for a couple months because of his outbursts. Once he was allowed back, he hinted he understood that drink-and-write could cause similar … incidents as drink-and-drive; not that I make assumptions about you by the way.
Learn a bit more about shock waves, convection, Operation Snowball, etc. Or, in the words of Morpheus, believe what you want to believe. From now on, I’ll go DNFTT on this topic.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 3 2024 14:08 utc | 482

I enjoyed this Nima / Doctorow dialougue. Nima likes civilized guests like this not barbarians like Wilkerson that express their liking of tits. 🙂
During the first Syrian war the USA right experienced a fleeting and very tentative relationship with truth. The right understood that USA was financing the worst sort of Islamic terrorists but only from the perspective of bizarre beliefs that this represented all of Islam and Obama was a closet Muslim. A logical train of thought such as if Obama was a closet Muslim why were two Islamic countries Syria and Libya destroyed during his regime was not on the plate.
Now the right embraces this same group of “rebels” under ” hell to pay” Trump.
Meanwhile the left has a weird sort of auto delete in regard to Obama and Syria and Libya. Obama is a sort of saint and any criticism heresy. When the subject is presented you can see the auto delete function occurring erasing all relevant facts. If the practice of arming and supporting the quasi jihadist hadnt started under Obama they might be able to actually input some reality into their thought process if arming of the quasi jihadis was under a republican regime. There are just too much cognitive dissonance overall so it all gets put on auto delete. As a alternative it gets put into the Putin is bad dictator file. This file is kept deliberately vague like a lens deliberately set to be fuzzy. Comments like “im not smart enough to understand” are heard from high IQ individuals. Correct think function override.
This is because the left brand of correct think is unable to accept individual accountability just as the right. That individuals who are muslims should be judged on their actions. What a shocking revelation. That any particular race or religion consists of individuals capable of both acts of kindness and compassion or crimes against humanity (extremes). The right correct think is the same. The right and left regard each other as mortal enemy’s put they are peas in a pod both denying that justice must be blind of brand name to function.
Nor is this behavior confined to the USA. I cant tell you how many times in my travels outside the USA that people I just met would assert group x was terrible group y righteous and visa versa.
This is the faux paradox. All cultures have value. Actions of compassion and humbleness have merit. No one culture is exclusively bad No one culture is exclusively good. Group behavior is comprised of individuals. The solution of homogenizing all culture into a universal culture is the most racist tyrannical solution possible. It fundamentally condemns the human condition. As if any group of people can determine what that “universal” culture should be. This is touched on in regards to the last part of the interview as nation states represent our best shot at preserving cultures and traditions while practicing cooperation for the common good. Preserving culture and tradition is not fascism. Accountability is what creates opportunities to preserve traditions and culture from a basis of cooperation and respect. Cutting your team slack destroys this. Only open and unbiased observation allows the cultivation of justice. justice must accomodate the whole. justice means accepting the whole. It can only occur if the whole accepts individual cultures and traditions. it is presented as a paradox but it is not it is a process. Engaging in the process creates skill. It is refusal to engage in this process of cooperation that creates tyranny.
Putin is a man. One man. Obama is a man. One man. Trump is a man. One man. Let them be judged on their engagement in the process of respect and cooperation.
Unfortunately there is no comparison. Putin genuinely engages in the process and creates systems to do so. With flaws of course. American representation knows only two flavors supposedly different but identical in their exceptionalism disrespect and entitlement. The result is war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhSwiA-coPE

Posted by: Fred | Dec 3 2024 17:37 utc | 483

RE: Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 3 2024 0:05 utc | 486
Doubt Russia was “snookered” into anything. It’s not their Country, it’s not their citizens, it’s not their responsibility.
They intervened and got the best deal they could get to end hostilities & keep Assad in power and Syria from falling without 2 superpowers clashing. The President of Russia isn’t going to drag his country into a clash with another nuclear power over a country he isn’t President of, that would’ve been lame and unsupported.
Think that need is over, the “clash” is on. I personally only expect A/D unleashed, ISR and intelligence & joint air campaigns. I don’t believe the Wagner story. It’s Iran this time that will have to put serious boots & troops this time.
We’ll all see I guess.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 4 2024 1:03 utc | 484

Assad has fucked up. Now he has his back to the wall.
Saddam, Gadaffy, it’s always the same: the state and army are sparkling on the outside, but rotten on the inside.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 4 2024 7:17 utc | 485

Saddam, Gadaffy, it’s always the same
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 4 2024 7:17 utc | 497

Why exclude Yitzhak Rabin from your list?

Posted by: too scents | Dec 4 2024 7:23 utc | 486

@too scents
You are not normal. Yitzchak Rabin was one of Israel’s greatest statesmen. If he were still alive today, this war would not be happening.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 4 2024 8:27 utc | 487

If he were still alive today
Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 4 2024 8:27 utc | 499

Why isn’t he?

Posted by: too scents | Dec 4 2024 8:35 utc | 488

Why isn’t he?
Posted by: too scents | Dec 4 2024 8:35 utc | 500
A library book on famous murders I once checked out devoted a page to the assassination of Rabin. It noted that no Israeli leader since then has sought negotiations or agreements with Palestinians as assiduously as Rabin did. They may have got the message that to do so risks a premature death, at the hands of some Zionist ultra who will of course be acting alone…

Posted by: Waldorf | Dec 4 2024 12:15 utc | 489

Militants from the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS, a terrorist organization banned in Russia ) group were able to capture the second largest city in Syria, Aleppo, with the support of advisers from Ukraine , as well as with the help of American advanced technology. This was reported to RIA Novosti by a source close to the Syrian special services.
According to the agency’s source, the militants of the HTS group have no experience in using high technology, so their development would not have been possible without advisers from Ukraine, the ” Islamic Party of Turkestan ” ( a terrorist organization banned in Russia ), as well as those Syrian officers who went over to the terrorists’ side.
The high technology that was used by terrorists for offensive operations was provided by Washington .
Assault teams and drones were equipped with encrypted GPS devices and extensive use of artificial intelligence, allowing the use and navigation of strike UAVs and kamikaze drones from a distance.
source RIA Novosti
The agency’s source noted that for the first time since 2011, the Syrian army encountered powerful electronic warfare systems during a militant offensive.

Members of Syria’s top jihadist group the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) alliance, led by al-Qaeda’s former Syria affiliate, parade with their flags and those of the Taliban’s declared “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan” through the rebel-held northwestern city of Idlib.
Creating a terror state to be employed as proxies … nothing has changed in 50 years keeping in mind the Brzezinski doctrine of the Soviet Afghan war and mujahideen and Stinger missiles or support Saddam Hussein in chemical warfare against Iran.
The Islamic State of Khorasan (IS-K) is inside Idlib and supported by the U.S. See serious bomb attacks Kerman commemoration General Soleimani inside Iran, Kabul airport onslaught and the Moscow Crocus City Hall by Tajik terrorists. Direct link with Idlib terror enclave.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 4 2024 15:46 utc | 490

I want to lodge a complaint with NATO/MI6?CIA etc about the really poor quality of trolling on this website. This is taxpayers money that is being spent, and risible stuff like this is being posted:
“Why is Iran so silent about Aleppo?
Are they totally defeated?
Posted by: Salmon | Nov 30 2024 23:10 utc | 233”
This is just laughable, but there is plenty more equally poor quality trolling rubbish from other badly educated dimwits even on this one thread – I’m not singling out ‘Salmon’ as even being the most crass – there are quite a few who are worse. However, I don’t pay my taxes for this sort of shite to be passed off as viable propaganda. I will be writing to my MP.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 4 2024 17:40 utc | 491

I recall that during the previous hot phase of the Regime-Change war on Syria, Ukraine was providing training camps and EU travel visas to jihadi groups (including Uighurs). Now, I can’t find any references to this on the web. I either read the articles here, or on the Saker. Does anyone here have an archived copy?

Posted by: Bindoner | Dec 5 2024 10:41 utc | 492