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November 30, 2024
U.S., Allies Reignite War On Syria

It seems that this earlier assessment of mine of the situation in Syria was wrong:

As the conflict in Lebanon subsides Israel and the U.S. have reignited the war in Syria. There have been signs for a while that this was going to happen. Yesterday Al-Qaeda affiliated HTS fighters, which has been rebuild and sponsored with CIA money, have relaunched their attacks on Syrian government forces west of Aleppo. Syrian and Russian air force attacks have for now stopped their progress. Hizbullah's Rudwan forces have yet to intervene but are deployed to defend Aleppo.

I do not expect the situation to Syria to escalate further.

As of now the situation continues to escalate. I had underestimated the role of Turkey in this.

President Erdogan seems to have taken control of HTS and is using it to pursue his aims. These include to widen Turkish control over Syrian land, to further damage the anti-Turkish resistance movement within the Kurdish population of Syria and to impress on president-elect Donald Trump that he can be a reliable ally in a fight against Iranian influence.

Jihadists under Turkish control have attacked Syrian government position on the western side of Aleppo city and diversion commandos seem to have infiltrated the city itself. A large part of this operation is the (fake) news onslaught accompanying it. Current information from the area is way too confused to state with some certainty what exactly is under who's control.

There are several forces fighting in Syria. The Turkish 'rebel' side, supported by Israel, Turkey and the U.S., includes two distinct groups. The former al-Qaeda Jihadists in Hayat Tarhir al-Sham [HTS] under Abu Muhammed al-Jolani were, and likely still are, financed and armed by the CIA through proxy actors in Qatar. HTS includes a significant number of Turkmen and Uighur jihadists from Central Asia. The second group is the so called Syrian National Army which is a group of Sunni Syria mercenaries paid for and controlled by Turkey.

These 'rebels' immediately distinguished themselves through their depraved behavior:

Hala Jaber @HalaJaber – 17:40 UTC · Nov 29, 2024

🔴IMPORTANT🔴
I have just watched a most gruesome footage of the so called Erdogan-backed “freedom fighters,” beheading a Syrian soldier they captured. A POW in western military terms.
I thought those days of ISIS evilness were over, but here we are again as history repeats itself while we are again being told that these are the good “liberators.”
The footage shows a Syrian soldier surrounded by ‘rebels.’
He pleads with them & pleads to their Islamic faith.
They pull his hand away from his neck & one guy with a huge jaggered knife proceeds to slice his throat. When it gets stuck, he pounds the knife into the neck a few times, then proceeds to continue with the slaughter to the cries of “Allahahu Akbar.”
Whoever in the western world is supporting these NATO-Israeli backed extremists should really think again. …

On the other side of the conflict are the Syrian Arab Army (which seem to have forgotten all the lessons it had to learn during the previous phase of the conflict). It is supported by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps which has trained and is financing several groups of Shia fighters in Syria. This is done in strong coordination with Hizbullah in Lebanon which has some units of its Rudwan special forces stationed in Syria. Russia is backing the Syrian government in Syria and is currently using its air power to interrupt  further attacks from the 'rebel' side.

The Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) is an anti-Turkish movement. It forms a major part of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) which has been supported, on and off, by the Pentagon in east-Syria. It is currently fighting on the side of the Syrian government but has in own interest in securing areas with significant Kurdish populations.

While it was known that the conflict in Syria was soon to be revived the immediacy seems to have come as an surprise:

Sharmine Narwani @snarwani – 9:10 UTC · Nov 30, 2024

Russian newspaper Izvestia: The major terrorist attack on #Aleppo was coordinated between Turkish, Ukrainian and French intelligence with Israeli support and American approval. The planning was two months ago and the attack was supposed to be next March, but the events in Lebanon contributed to the urgency.

As said above there is no information yet that lets one make an unbiased assessment which side is really in control of what part of Aleppo or areas surrounding it. My impression is that many of the claims of Jihadist control here or there are only media operations without military significance.

But what can be said so far is that the Syrian government has obviously failed to secure its lines in the field and to prepare its army for a renewal of the conflict. The Syrian Arab Army seems to have given up many positions without a significant fight.

It will cost a lot of blood and treasure (again!) to regain control of them.

Comments

The evacuation of “rebel” fighters, and their families, to Idlib served a policy of conflict deescalation. At the time, these elements were entrenched within urban enclaves such that a strictly military solution (i.e. eradication) would have required months of focussed efforts and would have resulted in vast destruction and mass casualties.
Also at this time, the US State Department was working assiduously to establish Responsibility To Protect mechanisms within the United Nations to be used against the Assad regime and its allied partners. (See Feltman Memorandum https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/UN-Assistance-in-Syria-_Feltman_October_2017_.pdf). The Idlib concept neutered the envisioned insertion of an international coalition based on protection for UN humanitarian programs within rebel-held areas. (Needless to say, the US State Department has completely reversed itself since 2017, backing Israel’s military assaults on UN humanitarian programs in Occupied Territories, not to mention hospitals, journalists, schools, etc – all of which previously were sticks used to bash Syria, Russia, etc). The Idlib program was a form of conflict resolution not previously seen at its scale. With conditions as they were in 2017, it was successful at the time, and remained generally such until this week. The sudden fail appears the work of an underhanded Turkish regime.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 30 2024 18:25 utc | 101

If the Russians can learn anything from this, then it surely must be that Ukraine must seize to exist, in its totality.
Don’t give one millimeter!

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 30 2024 18:26 utc | 102

“English is not my first language, so I do apologize that I ask: what is blackpill?”
Posted by: NoName | Nov 30 2024 17:54 utc | 79
Being Blackpilled means you subscribe to a form of extreme nihilism.
Quote:
Red Pill / Blue Pill / Black Pill
Movie reference
The Matrix (1999)
“This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill: the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill: you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” – Morpheus, The Matrix
‘Red pill’ has become a popular phrase among cyberculture and signifies a free-thinking attitude, and a waking up from a “normal” life of sloth and ignorance. Red pills prefer the truth, no matter how gritty and painful it may be.
by ironuckles October 29, 2004
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Blackpill
The Blackpill is basically the ultimative and hardest to swallow Redpill.
It is about realizing nothing matters and there is nothing you can do that will change anything, it depraves you of all positive thought and makes you want to get some sort of meaning out of this limited time we have.
Basically extreme nihilism. That’s why its not a called a red pill, since beyond that.
by NullBytez November 9, 2017
Source: Urban Dictionary
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blackpill
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Given the number of pills I take I think I’ve got the rainbow covered but I highly recommend the red pill. The back pill never ends well.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 30 2024 18:28 utc | 103

At this rate, Syria could be cut off from the coast.
Posted by: robin | Nov 30 2024 18:04 utc | 88

It probably will. It seems Hama has now fallen after the following earlier statement which I deem legit:

Syrian Defense Ministry: ‘We have not left and will not leave Hama, this information is falsely being spread. Our units are stationed north and east of Hama, prepared to counter any terrorist assault. Russian and Syrian warplanes continue to bomb terrorist gatherings and positions.’

With the current pace “regime change” is around the corner. I’ve read some hypotheses like the NATO terrorists being so fast defense lines couldn’t be erected fast enough… but I think higher officers in high command simply turned side for money. The same thing happened in Libya, happened in Syria in 2013 too and probably again now.
Meanwhile USA and the Zionazi regime seem to reveal they will move from behind the curtain into the spotlight and invade Syria on an even broader scale.

Posted by: xor | Nov 30 2024 18:30 utc | 104

Just a little reminder:
Like it or not, we all ALL, somehow or other, both participants and observers in this latest War for Civilization.
Places this little skirmish in its broader context.
One may assume a very high correlation between the levels of barbarity evident in Gaza and the heinous behaviour of the “Moderate (sic) Cosmopolitan Rebels” in Aleppo province in recent days. I could probably find a few pages of such correlations without much bother. Somewhat Manichean I know but this is the reality. Nowhere to hide. We do live in interesting times.
“There is great chaos under Heaven: the situation is excellent”. Mao

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 30 2024 18:30 utc | 105

It is high time for some folks to stop fantasizing about multi-dimensional chess on the side of the opposition (Russia very prominently included), while they are safe in their homes far away. The treatment of Erdogan as an ally and the inability to address expected problems has come one time too many. How many more times to we have to hear about being “deceived”?
It is surreal how many Russians thought that everything was honky-dory with Erdogan’s Turkey (not to mention those who seriously believed that the sultan wannabe was genuinely opposed to Israel) and moved to buy assets there after the imposition of the sanctions. How about investing in their own country? I guess liberals are as liberals do.
Once again it must be iterated that hard choices must be made and no more crap about deals that lead to frozen conflicts that lead to similar clusterfuck. Action must be decisive and the blows to the hilt. And it is about time that diplomacy must be more hard-headed. All this uppity attitude of master dealers must be abandoned and consequences must follow the hostile actions of the empire & co.

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 30 2024 18:30 utc | 106

If Russia can learn anything from this, it surely must be to strike the head of the snake.
What good is it bombing some hired hands, when the planners sit safely in the US?
What about taking the war to American soil, for a change?

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 30 2024 18:32 utc | 107

” The Idlib program was a form of conflict resolution not previously seen at its scale. With conditions as they were in 2017, it was successful at the time, and remained generally such until this week. The sudden fail appears the work of an underhanded Turkish regime.”
Posted by: jayc | Nov 30 2024 18:25 utc | 102
Thanks for the great comment jc. Forgive my being overly simplistic. The one really important facet to all of this that I never hear mentioned is that this created a situation where the resistance could avoid exterminating an entire ethnic community.
That’s regardless of whether they deserved it or needed it. As I have often heard here, when genocide does not justify another.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 30 2024 18:36 utc | 108

@ David G Horsman | Nov 30 2024 18:28 utc | 104
Thanks for the explanation! I flatter myself to be “redpilled” 😉 But especially in the last couples of year that has become somewhat tiring. I’d like to stay that way but in some weak moments I think “ignorance is bliss”.
Great movie by the way!

Posted by: NoName | Nov 30 2024 18:37 utc | 109

Rabbi Erdogan shows his true colors again. He is Dönme, a Talmudist, and like the majority of Turks (who should never, ever be trusted), a persistent remnant of the Khazarian infection that once constituted a satanic empire in that part of the world.

Posted by: Matthew | Nov 30 2024 18:40 utc | 110

Time for some background music at the bar – It is Saturday …
Planxty, Live at Vicar Street [80 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt4ySrsBBSQ
Barman: A large Hennessy please. And have one yourself ‘b’. Ta.D.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 30 2024 18:43 utc | 111

Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 30 2024 18:03 utc | 86
Nobody can tell who you’re talking to nor does anyone bother trying because you are too lazy or stubborn to use a simple copy paste timestamp.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 30 2024 18:46 utc | 112

https://t.me/yurasumy/19508

Another week of such “regroupings” and it will be difficult to save Syria…
The militants of the “Syrian opposition” are quickly expanding their area of ​​control in the provinces of Idlib and Aleppo. Moreover, they are heading for Hama (another large city and the capital of the province of the same name) and … so far no one has offered them any resistance.
Moreover, this is the reason for such success. For example, the enemy is not even trying to storm the areas of Aleppo occupied by the Kurdish militia (probably leaving it for later, realizing that it does not have enough forces for this yet). It is going where there is no resistance.
Judging by the videos that are spreading on the Internet, the enemy units are extremely small in number and with competent command and at least some combat-ready forces ready to fight, it would still be possible (and even easy) to stop this catastrophe.
The only question is, is the Syrian army capable of this today? The next couple of days will give us an answer to this.

https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/45399

According to Reuters, the Syrian government announced the withdrawal of troops from Aleppo in connection with regrouping and waiting for the arrival of the main forces.
Learned from the best.
@belarusian_silovik

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 18:49 utc | 113

Al Mayadeen in English news/politics/syrian-army-issues-statement–details-situation-in-aleppo–i
Syrian Army issues statement, details situation in Aleppo, Idlib
…..Al Mayadeen’s correspondent in Syria reported on Saturday that a cautious calm has settled over the frontlines of Aleppo, particularly following the incursion of armed groups into the city’s western neighborhoods.
Our correspondent reported that terrorist groups have seized control of roughly 60% of Aleppo, imposing a curfew on residents in these areas until further notice.
Moreover, it was confirmed that the Syrian army has redeployed toward Aleppo Airport to safeguard the city from further destruction. Syrian warplanes have also been actively targeting key militant positions and movement points west of the city……
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1862806581479350351
Kevork Almassian🇸🇾🇦🇲 @KevorkAlmassian
🚨🇸🇾 Reports of the Kurdish SDF supporting the SAA in multiple frontlines in Aleppo are correct.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1862762702247968795
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
The fist line of defence is Hama and no longer Aleppo. #Aleppo and its rural area, Nubbol and Zahra andTal al-Iss are not expected to hold. There were dormant cells in Aleppo and neither #Russia nor Damascus saw what #Turkey was preparing for some time.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 30 2024 18:50 utc | 114

NoName @ 83

“CONFIRMED: Gunfire in Damascus, the capital of Syria, near the building of the General Staff of the Armed Forces”

Supposedly sleeper cells in the capital. Very much the Vietnam Tet Offensive; the evil ones show the ability to learn, or maybe that quote applies: they learn nothing, but forget nothing.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 30 2024 18:50 utc | 115

From Vanessa Beeley’s Telegram site:
Breaking | Syrian Ministry of Defense Dismisses False Reports:
The Syrian Ministry of Defense has dismissed reports circulating on platforms affiliated with armed terrorist organizations, claiming their entry into northern Hama towns like Al-Suqaylabiyah, Hayalin, Muhardah, Al-Lataminah, Halfaya, Taybat Al-Imam, Ma’an, Soran, and Maar Shahour. These reports are false.
Defense Forces Ready for Any Potential Attack
The Ministry confirmed that Syrian armed forces have organized a reinforced defensive line and are fully prepared and ready to repel any potential attack. Syrian and Russian warplanes continue to target terrorist positions.
Claims of Syrian Withdrawal Are Unfounded
A military source emphasized that the claims of Syrian forces withdrawing from Hama are unfounded. Forces are stationed in the northern and eastern parts of Hama, ready to counter any potential assault. Damascus remains secure.
False Narratives Spread by Terrorist Media
The so-called Syrian Observatory and media platforms operated by terrorist groups in Idlib are the main spreaders of these deceptive narratives.

Posted by: expat | Nov 30 2024 18:51 utc | 116

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 30 2024 18:46 utc | 113
i think they are under the mistaken belief that because posts sometimes get deleted by b, they will leave the actual post number off the post.. it is kind of bizarre to me, because having a reference number is a helpful start in finding the friggin post, lol.. everyone knows the numbers can change, so i too find the thinking baffling..

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2024 18:54 utc | 117

This website was perfectly fine with “depraved behavior” when it was committed by the Taliban, or Hamas, or Putin’s soldiers.
Posted by: Peru1969 | Nov 30 2024 16:38 utc | 38
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Thank you, Shining Path, for bearing witness to our many trolls who support or demand “depraved behavior” here at MoA. May you and the Great One (Abimael Guzman) sleep long and well with Chairman Mao.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 18:56 utc | 118

@expat | Nov 30 2024 18:51 utc | 117
Middle East Spectator has also made an update concerning Hama:
“NEW: A source in Hama tells us that the majority of the city has not fallen to HTS, the SAA is sending in reinforcements, but HTS is present in the North-East of the city in Jebrin and Al-Sawaeq neighbourhood (green circle)”
And: “The HTS-affiliated media outlets are circulating videos of their presence in very limited areas in the outskirts of Hama, in order to falsely claim that they have captured the entire city.”
Sources: https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/13136
and: https://t.me/s/Middle_East_Spectator

Posted by: NoName | Nov 30 2024 18:57 utc | 119

Posted by: NoName | Nov 30 2024 17:54 utc | 79
NoName:
I believe it’s off the “red pill/blue pill” choice presented in the movie The Matrix. My interpretation is that it is the intentional spreading of fear, uncertainty and doubt.
I am certainly not regarding unfolding events with any sense that Assad is winning . . . but he has powerful allies (even if only allies of convenience). Despair is a sin.

Posted by: Hunsdon | Nov 30 2024 18:58 utc | 120

@Antiwar7 | Nov 30 2024 16:47 utc | 42
>>what are his motivations for [..] Not cutting off oil to Israel?
Ummm, money perhaps?
Erdogan is stuck between a rock and … a soft place. On the one side there’s his Uncle Shlomo. You cross him, there’s no telling what he might do: kneecap the Turkish Lira, boot you out of the F-35 program, send Kurds on terror missions into your cities, or bump you off altogether. And on the other side sits Uncle Vlad, who’s always happy to talk things over, and can probably be sweetened up with yet another energy deal. This may simply be because Uncle Vlad, while powerful, isn’t quite as powerful as the other one. Whom would you cross?

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 30 2024 18:59 utc | 121

Kadath | Nov 30 2024 15:02 utc | 2 ….
Glaringly obvious that the only realistic approach to the situation should commence with extremely violent termination of Macron, Starmer, Erdogan, Netanyahu and the Saudi and Quatar regimes. Plus the Oligarchs, everywhere. Simultaneous with the USA/UK/NATO criminal syndicate being assured — via demonstration — of absolute destruction if they ever so much as think of breathing the wrong way. Then kill all of their political, financial, military and media puppets. If that means having to blow up the entire planet, so fucking what. Otherwise, the spread of (what religious people call) evil will never stop. But of course, for whatever reasons, Putin is not going to do that.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 19:01 utc | 122

Peru Inka Inki Inca 1969
All the same Brony. No idea why he thinks it’s not obvious.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 30 2024 19:01 utc | 123

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 30 2024 18:28 utc | 104
Thank you, sir. Due to the vagaries of the commenting system here, I responded before reading the rest of the thread. I assure you it was neither my vanity, nor any discourtesy towards you that was the reason.

Posted by: Hunsdon | Nov 30 2024 19:02 utc | 124

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2024 18:54 utc | 118 The simple explanation is that omitting the post number is intended to make it difficult to follow the discussion. It’s an attempt to leave this commenter free to ignore or even distort the original, while superficially looking like discussion. It is fairly common to cite Hanlon’s Razor, never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity…but this forgets that pretending to be stupid is one common lie. It’s especially favored by students in public schools.
As to the general situation, the US is expanding the war. Imposing a drain on Russian resources, trying to pose a threat to Tartus, is also a direct expansion of the war against Russia, as well as against Hizbullah and Iran and forces in Iraq.
Kaliningrad?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 30 2024 19:03 utc | 125

“China will probably feel compelled to involve itself more this time around, both to support Iran, their major oil supplier and to punish the Americans over their increasing hostility over Taiwan. I think we’ll see more public contacts between Syria and China over the next month or so as a show of support.
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 30”
Most likely the Chinese will complain but do nothing. Chinese culture is built on making money to buy real estate. That is what makes China a reasonable player on the international scene. They just want to do deals.
Chinese will simply do deals with the Victor.

Posted by: My Comment | Nov 30 2024 19:04 utc | 126

Matthew @ 111

and like the majority of Turks (who should never, ever be trusted)

A truly idiotic statement, I have Turkish friends and worked for several months in Turkiye, I would certainly trust most Turks, as I would trust most of humanity. Erdogan is a gangster, I’m street smart enough to never trust a gangster. Incidentally Trump is also a gangster, mentored by one of the greatest fiends of US history Roy Cohn, which is why I’m keenly suspicious of him. Most Americans aren’t Trump or Roy Cohn, they are seemingly clueless, I say seemingly because good and wise people routinely surprise me. That’s a tip to help you be less idiotic.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 30 2024 19:04 utc | 127

Peru1969 | Nov 30 2024 16:38 utc | 38
*** This website was perfectly fine with “depraved behavior” when it was committed by the Taliban, or Hamas, or Putin’s soldiers.***
No it wasn’t, because they didn’t. So piss off and do have a lousy (probably in your case kosher) death.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 19:06 utc | 128

@ james | Nov 30 2024 18:54 utc | 118
Use the time stamp as your reference.Unlike the comment number, the time stamp never changes.
This website was perfectly fine with “depraved behavior” when it was committed by the Taliban, or Hamas, or Putin’s soldiers.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 18:56 utc | 119

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 30 2024 19:09 utc | 129

Kaliningrad?
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 30 2024 19:03 utc | 126

A very logical move.
Seize Kaliningrad, which is impossible to defend, then issue an ultimatum to Putin – pull out of Ukraine, including Crimea, and then we will give you Kaliningrad back.
Putin then pulls out, and of course Kaliningrad is not returned. The Russian population is massacred/expelled, etc.
What is Putin going to do?
1) Launch the nukes? After he didn’t launch them on the previous fifty or so times he should have done it already if established Cold War protocol was to be followed?
2) Complain about how the dear partners deceived him once again while not touching them in any way?
We all know it will be #2…

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 19:11 utc | 130

Oops, meant to delete everything after the first paragraph.
@ Tom_Q: And yet it wasn’t obvious to Ed and Constantine, neither of whom saw that an old NAFO troll returneth.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 30 2024 19:12 utc | 131

@ Hunsdon | Nov 30 2024 18:58 utc | 121
“My interpretation is that it is the intentional spreading of fear, uncertainty and doubt.”
It might be possible that there are people in this forum who are intenionally spreading fear, and so on. But on the other hand, this is a forum about geopolitical stuff (mostly Ukraine and the Middle East). It is for sure, that certain events, especially if they are dramatic ones, will be discussed. This has nothing to do with “spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt”. If this topics are upsetting you, maybe it is the wrong forum for you?
“Despair is a sin.”
I think nearly nobody is despairing in this forum. Because most of us don’t have really “skin in the game”, at least not directly, maybe in the broader sense.

Posted by: NoName | Nov 30 2024 19:13 utc | 132

Posted by: Peru1969 | Nov 30 2024 16:38 utc | 38
Another Zionazi slimebag infesting the bar, probably a Latin American fascist as it were (thry are known for their grovelling attitude to wards Washington and the Zionazis in general).
Posted by: Constantine | Nov 30 2024 18:16 utc | 97
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Constantine, you struck out on that one: Peru1969 refers to the year that the Shining Path was officially formed in Peru; Peru is a Maoist.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 19:14 utc | 133

“… If that means having to blow up the entire planet, so fucking what. Otherwise, the spread of (what religious people call) evil will never stop. But of course, for whatever reasons, Putin is not going to do that.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 19:01 utc | 123
There is absolutely a point you can reach where nuking the planet is advantageous. I don’t personally feel that is a good example.
I’m paraphrasing someone here but it is better to live under fascism for a thousand years then to exterminate the human race. Although I think that’s highly debatable. By that I mean the value of the human species.
I know that my comment sounds extremist and odd. However my main focus of interest is the existential threat of general artificial intelligence. The notorious singularity.
Here I’m not talking about large language models. It’s irrelevant if it takes 500 years to develop AGI if it exterminates us. This is very off topic so I won’t continue it.
My question to you is would it be worth the cost of a nuclear war to eliminate these parasites? My response to that is that it would not change Human Nature.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 30 2024 19:15 utc | 134

Seize Kaliningrad
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 19:11 utc | 132
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Hate to interrupt your NAFO fantasies, but any attempt to seize Kaliningrad (which you at least spell correctly, I’ll grant you that) would trigger a, shall we say, impressivelt vigorous military response. Heck, Mighty Lithuania couldn’t even impose a half-assed embargo a couple of years ago.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 30 2024 19:18 utc | 135

@Amon Ra | Nov 30 2024 18:13 utc | 95
>>Not true, the SAA was on a roll
By and large I concur, indeed I remember an offensive was imminent. The alternative media and its assorted pundits crowed “The outcome is not in doubt”–just as we hear about Ukraine today, when from another perspective we just got done with clearing the Donetsk suburbs.
>>and ready to take back Idlib but were stopped by Putin to appease backstabbing Erdo.
That’s part of it, and I have no reason to cover for either of these characters. But besides, NATO assembled a gigantic fleet in the East Med, and postured that it was ready to go apes on Russia’s Syria mission if Putin didn’t back down–which he promptly did. The Turkish business came right afterwards I think, initially as a face-saving maneuver. You guessed it, those were the days when NATO pretended to be in the business of preventing genocides LOL.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 30 2024 19:18 utc | 136

https://ejmagnier.com/2024/11/30/aleppo-is-reeling-turkeys-strategy-and-the-axis-of-resistance-under-pressure/
Aleppo is Reeling:
The Syrian opposition forces, primarily led by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) and Ahrar al-Sham, with support from Islamist jihadist groups, have launched a significant ground offensive over the past 48 hours in rural Idlib, rural Aleppo, and parts of Aleppo city supported by drones and armoured battalions. In a rapid and well-coordinated advance, they have captured dozens of villages, including strategic areas along the M4 and M5 international highways connecting Damascus to Aleppo and Aleppo to Latakia, as well as the critical cities of Saraqeb and most of Aleppo. With the Syrian army’s defensive lines nearly nonexistent, it appears only a matter of time before opposition forces gain complete control of Aleppo city. Reclaiming these losses would require tens of thousands of troops, a resource the Syrian army does not currently possess.
This swift and unexpected rapid advance underscores the Syrian army’s inability to effectively defend these territories, creating a significant opportunity for Turkey’s allies to push their agenda. HTS has labelled the operation “Deterrence of Aggression,” presenting it as a retaliation for recent artillery shelling by Syrian government forces that caused civilian casualties in Idlib. The operation is more than a retaliation but reflects the opposition’s intent to reclaim territories lost during the 2019 Saraqeb-Idlib battles. With government forces in a chaotic retreat, a defensive line has been hastily established in Hama province. However, the opposition forces are now less than 20 kilometres from Hama, rendering the areas south of Idlib and Aleppo and their rural surroundings largely inaccessible for the government to retake.
The recent offensive in Aleppo and Idlib underscores a complex web of regional dynamics and geopolitical manoeuvres that transcend the Syrian conflict itself. This operation by Syrian opposition forces, supported by Islamist factions, aligns with broader efforts to shift the balance of power against the “Axis of Resistance,” which includes Iran, Hezbollah, and their regional allies. Incrementally, these forces are being targeted, with each alliance member facing significant blows. The outcome of this offensive is poised to reshape the balance of power in northern Syria and the wider region……..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 30 2024 19:19 utc | 137

ANON2022 @ 132
Seems to me to best use the nukes after all other recourse has been exhausted, and even then worth thinking over, rather than as the first thing you do, which seems kind of psycho. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 30 2024 19:20 utc | 138

Use the time stamp as your reference.Unlike the comment number, the time stamp never changes.
This website was perfectly fine with “depraved behavior” when it was committed by the Taliban, or Hamas, or Putin’s soldiers.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 18:56 utc | 119
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 30 2024 19:09 utc | 131
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I didn’t say that; it was a quote by Peru1969. The name refers to the year that the Shining Path was formed.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 19:20 utc | 139

All out war of the West, propped up by fascist Zionism, on Hamas, Yemen, Hezbollah to target the Syria, Iran and Russia alliance.

Analysis: Turkey-backed offensive against Assad and Shiite militias in Syria appears to be direct consequence of Lebanon cease-fire deal, leaving Damascus isolated without robust support it once relied on from Hezbollah, Iran and Russia

To disrupt Iranian assistance to Hezbollah, the IDF reportedly carried out approximately 70 airstrikes in Syria, targeting not only arms routes along the Lebanese border but also warehouses and installations belonging to Hezbollah and other Shiite militias across the country.
These militias, alongside Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), have been instrumental in propping up the Assad regime and fighting the insurgents in Idlib. [Source: Israel News]

Posted by: Oui | Nov 30 2024 19:22 utc | 140

@ Ed | Nov 30 2024 19:20 utc | 141
Kindly refer to my comment at 19:12 utc.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 30 2024 19:22 utc | 141

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 19:14 utc | 135
No mate, the content is revealing of the poster’s mindset than the date that misled you. He accuses the barflies and b for championing the “depravity” of the Palestinians, the Russians and the former friends of the west-turned into foes Taliban. In sort, resisting the empire is depravity, as per the neo-Hitlerite propaganda of the Anglo-American regime.

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 30 2024 19:24 utc | 142

Then kill all of their political, financial, military and media puppets. If that means having to blow up the entire planet, so fucking what. Otherwise, the spread of (what religious people call) evil will never stop. But of course, for whatever reason, Putin is not going to do that.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 19:01 utc | 123
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” …for whatever reason, Putin is not going to do that.” Maybe because Putin is NOT evil! But Joe Biden apparently is.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 19:30 utc | 143

The “freedom fighters” are always the same monsters. I remember becoming aware during the 1980s, and Reagan’s insane Dirty Wars in Central America. The supposed equivalent of the revered American Founding Fathers were in Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador beheading and raping, with CIA funding, training and approval.
The West’s perversion knows no bounds.

Posted by: D | Nov 30 2024 19:30 utc | 144



The so-called Syrian Observatory and media platforms operated by terrorist groups in Idlib are the main spreaders of these deceptive narratives.
Posted by: expat | Nov 30 2024 18:51 utc | 117

True. Let’s hope they can hold on to Hama and turn the tide.
Vanessa Beeley’s Telegram: https://tgstat.com/channel/@VanessaBeeley
I think these events should make the idea of Minsk 3 stillborn. There can’t be any staging grounds.

Posted by: xor | Nov 30 2024 19:31 utc | 145

Combine,
‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do’^
with,
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false”
swap out ‘the American public’ with ‘global public’^^,
give *them* plenty of cash and cover ( headstart ), then consider whether ‘History’ and how we have been told how the world around us works is really true.
( ^ often attributed to Karl Rove, a senior advisor to President George W. Bush- ~2004, ^^ attributed to William Casey, – ~ 1981? – the Director of Central Intelligence (CIA) from 1981 until his death in 1987.)

Posted by: pilpul | Nov 30 2024 19:32 utc | 146

Seems to me to best use the nukes after all other recourse has been exhausted, and even then worth thinking over, rather than as the first thing you do, which seems kind of psycho. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 30 2024 19:20 utc | 140

Remember, during the Cold War the American plan was to use tactical nukes to try to stop the Soviet tanks rushing into the FRG.
And if that failed, Plan B was to use strategic nukes against… Germany. Not the USSR, Germany. In order to deny the Soviets access to the industrial base.
Unless something very dramatically has changed, I highly doubt in DC today they are ready to die for Lithuania, Poland and Romania either.
So it is all in Putin’s hands – he can call NATO’s bluff at any time.
The whole idea is not to get to the point of launching all the nukes because there is no other option but to surrender.
But Putin’s actions all throughout the last quarter century are driving us precisely to that bifurcation point.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 19:33 utc | 147

@136 David
In my mind, evil is the unexamined life. And as the Socratic Greeks made clear: an evil life is not worth living.
How does the unexamined life comport to our present age? By TPTB telling us that life has infinite value in one instance, and bombing and terrorizing civilians that get in the way of their Full-Spectrum Dominance in another moment.
That is the spell we are under.
Our speaking truth to power is the cure to this prescribed suicidal course. Think free thoughts.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 30 2024 19:34 utc | 148

False Narratives Spread by Terrorist Media
The so-called Syrian Observatory and media platforms operated by terrorist groups in Idlib are the main spreaders of these deceptive narratives.
Posted by: expat | Nov 30 2024 18:51 utc | 117
And here we have our very own NATO2022, sorry, ANON2022 trying to do the same.
Let’s see what happened, it’s a kursk replay but with a twist.
Aleppo is not Sudzah, bigger, more important, much harder to clean, if indeed the mercs took aleppo then it’s as if the kursk offensive had reached Kursk city proper.
Talking about mercs, our dear nato troll named above mentions “small groups very effective” or something like that, that means embedded nato troops/mercs, and in this particular case that would mean french foreign legion (and make no mistake, those are hard cool SOBs)
A big point going for the syrian regime is that apparently no serious AD was provided, information so far mentions RF airplanes beating the shit out of merc forces. Yes, I wouldn’t want to be in the sight of the full set of planes RF has there, from su-57 and su-35 for air superiority to su-25 and su 34 for mincing meat and even A-50, AWAK. IF and this is a big if, there is a massive attack on Hmeimim Air Basethen all bets are off and get drunk because WWIII probably started in earnest, if the west has (hazel)nuts this would be the moment to show them.
AS I mentioned before RF can spare 50-100k tchaikovskys without hindering the ukraine theater, they were being kept for a nato showdown, but not necessarily in russian ground.
Interesting times indeed, but this should be a closing tune before some truce, not a real climb to global war, too early for that.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 30 2024 19:35 utc | 149

Personally I would no more advocate the seizure of Kaliningrad (by the Poles) than I advocate the fall of the national secular government of Syria. Both prospects are horrifying. But a potential threat exists and the US is as I see it is actively expanding the war. There are also intermediate stages, such as so-called terrorists or so-called unknown parties bombing the rail connections and bridges over rivers. Nordstream 2 is a recent precedent. The ultimate military strategic utility is marginal as the Kursk invasion, possibly even in the end negative. But such actions are aimed not just as armed forces in the field but at the political will of the target nation.
I suspect a generic resemblance between the current pace of advance

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 30 2024 19:37 utc | 150

(cont.) of advance of the Idlib coalition and the advance of the Northern Alliance against the Taliban. I suspect the role of bribery of commanders to be key. But money won’t win the war, not then, not now.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 30 2024 19:39 utc | 151

Hate to interrupt your NAFO fantasies, but any attempt to seize Kaliningrad (which you at least spell correctly, I’ll grant you that) would trigger a, shall we say, impressivelt vigorous military response. Heck, Mighty Lithuania couldn’t even impose a half-assed embargo a couple of years ago.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 30 2024 19:18 utc | 137

Past behavior is the best predictor of future actions.
Past behavior relevant to the question of Kaliningrad:
1) Kherson was surrendered without a fight after being declared a regional capital of the RF two months prior. And then was never mentioned again until June this year
2) Zero effort has been made to recover Zaporozhye city, and there has been no verbal commitment to do that either. Sure, Putin demanded Kiev gives it up in June, but that was it. Never in the previous 18 months (or since) did he come out and say “The days is not far when we will have the city back in our hands, by all means necessary”.
3) Where was the “impressively vigorous military response” when NATO and the Ukronazis invaded Kursk? They are still there as we speak…
P.S. There might be a smaller escalation before we get to Kaliningrad. That would be the PMR, which is in an even more indefensible position. What happens then, i.e. whether the Kremlin will finally choose to fight or it will abandon half a million people to their fate, will quite clearly tell us whether Kaliningrad will be defended or not. My bet is on the latter.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 19:40 utc | 152

The war in the Middle East is a flanking manoeuvre on Russia. Don’t look at isolated tactics, the septre is being handed by Biden to Trump for the escalation that attacks Syria and Iran, it was hidden behind the detail of the attack on Gaza, and in the meantime Israel was hoping to also bag southern Lebanon, but that didn’t go as planned, so, Greater Israel has been moved to the back burner while the battle proceeds to Syria then Iran. If Syria and Iran fall Greater Israel is a fait accompli.
Iran will wait for success in Syria, this Aleppo Tet Offensive being Biden’s swan song, or crow caw, if you will. Iran will be allowed to be new Clown Emperor Trump’s conquest for Rome. Hail and glory and long live the Clown Emperor. After that Russia’s flank in the Caspian and Caucasus is wide open for whoever Trump passes the Imperial Clown Headed Septre to.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 30 2024 19:42 utc | 153

Syrian Observatory? Didn’t that turn out to be just a random Syrian guy in a West Midlands council house?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 30 2024 19:44 utc | 154

Seize Kaliningrad
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 19:11 utc | 132
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Hate to interrupt your NAFO fantasies, but any attempt to seize Kaliningrad (which you at least spell correctly, I’ll grant you that) would trigger a, shall we say, impressivelt vigorous military response. Heck, Mighty Lithuania couldn’t even impose a half-assed embargo a couple of years ago.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 30 2024 19:18 utc | 137
Don’t feed the troll, any attempt on kalinigrad would see all aerial assets stationed there flying off with full nuclear armed weapons ready to spread love and I’d bet there would be one to spare for kalinigrad proper if it was overrun (maybe one too big to launch by bomber easily) (wouldn’t surprise me if the same was true of gibraltar)
If poland was as stupid as that the polish-lithuanian problem (apart from plenty of emigrants) would be solved for centuries.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 30 2024 19:45 utc | 155

“I thought those days of ISIS evilness were over”
I don’t see how you could think it was over when they weren’t destroyed and that large parts of Syria were controlled by western and Turkish backed terrorist.
They were festering in Idlib and other areas waiting for their next assignment. Unless they are destroyed completely the potential is there waiting for the approval of the US.
This is why compromising with evil doesn’t work and that Syria leaving large parts of the country and borders controlled by hostile forces and proxies meant the war was never really over.
This also shows that Russia’s very slow-go in Ukraine is a mistake. They need to tackle these wars with their maximum and do their best instead of trying to calm the western propaganda and media.

Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 30 2024 19:47 utc | 156

Inquiring minds would wonder what changed in the past few months – Erdogan has moved from threatening Israel, to becoming USIS cat’s paw in Syria. They were considering BRICS membership, had established close ties with Russia, and threatening to close Incirlik air base (Joint US/Turkey owned and houses the 39th airbourne as well as possible nuclear weapons. South Region NATO critical base) Major staging area for Israeli armaments to Akrotiri. Note that Israel Katz, powerful Israeli politico publically threatened Erdogan with the same fate as Saddam Hussein (did he speak for Sullivan and Blinkin?). Given that Turkey hosts thousands of Syrian refugees, and that the Turkish population is hostile to the current situations in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank, current actions run the high risk of political destabilization. Transhipping oil to Israel is a long term scam. This is a major political turnabout. Immediately follows not only Lebanon “cease fire” but Saudi Arabia (BRICS member) resigning from US defense pacts in service of aligning with calls for a state for Palestine. This is a little discussed change which would have caused considerable frustration at State. Suggests considerable behind the scenes arm twisting, threats – need far more information on the up ramp to this.

Posted by: abierno | Nov 30 2024 19:47 utc | 157

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 19:40 utc | 154
And I see our resident nuke fetishist is geographically confused (not for the first time), posting about Ukraine in a thread discussing the Syrian situation.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 30 2024 19:48 utc | 158

Addressing the S-400 issue is too small a step by Ankara, and it does not merit a return to the F-35 program. [Source: FDD]

Defense Minister Yaşar Güler stated that the U.S. may finally be willing to deliver the F-35 jets to Turkey (4 days ago)
https://theaviationist.com/2024/11/26/turkey-resubmits-offer-to-purchase-f-35-jets/

Posted by: Oui | Nov 30 2024 19:48 utc | 159

People are missing the obvious … the US knows that the war in Ukraine has been lost. It’s all over but the shouting.
What’s needed is a distraction from Afghanistan 2.0 and a weaker opponent to boost morale … Assad must go!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 30 2024 19:49 utc | 160

Please do consider the SIZE of the Headchopper “army”. Though well paid by cut-outs on behalf of the Agency and other nasty iterations for the WEF and the controllers who own that nefarious entity…and highly motivated by assiduous indoctrination by psywar specialists…it is quite doubtful that their total effectives are not far less than 20,000 fanatics.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 30 2024 18:09 utc | 91
Worth remembering that WEF is run by the Swiss government. The quintessential “neutral” country who has been funding and creating wars for centuries.

Posted by: Jack M | Nov 30 2024 19:49 utc | 161

Why would anyone who has been reading MoA for more than a week be talking about nukes in the age of ORESHNIK?
Putin can visit nuke-level destruction without a radiological consequence.
I know there are a lot of trolls these days, the problem is that several at the bar who are not obvious trolls are posting at a very low quality level.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2024 19:50 utc | 162

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 30 2024 19:24 utc | 144
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I understood that, Mr. Constantine. But I wanted to point out his connection to the Maoist group that he was referring to by his moniker: The Shining Path. As far as depraved behavior by left-wing groups in modern history, the Shining Path is second only to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. I think Peru1969 was being ironic, intentionally or otherwise.
I also think he used to comment on MoA under a different moniker. I can’t recall his name, but he used to call me out for a contest to see who was the most knowledgeable Marxist. I haven’t heard from him for a while, I think he hailed from Finland or Sweden.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 19:50 utc | 163

@jayc | Nov 30 2024 18:25 utc | 102
>>The sudden fail appears the work of an underhanded Turkish regime.
People who claim that things happened “suddenly”, were a “black swan”, may be covering up that their intel sucks, or that they simply ignored the warnings. Correct me as needed, but I think the deal as written had clauses on disarmament, political reconciliation, etc. Of course, as soon as they were out of range of SAA guns the bad guys had a good laugh at that, knowing nobody could make them as long as Turkey had their back–oh and Jake Sullivan too, with the UN mostly buying into the latter’s narratives. They’d take some potshots at Russian monitoring missions if these got too nosy, and soon Idlibstan became a free-for-all food fight. The pro-Syria media gloated “let them off each other”; yes this sometimes happened, but after a while the most vicious groups and commanders rise to the top and the whole things crystallizes into an army of sorts. Then it’s just a matter of time until an … interested party coughs up the big-boy money to re-equip them with heavy weapons and drones.
Not sudden; planned. With some skill in fact.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 30 2024 19:52 utc | 164

Folks should take a moment and go and read @Amarynth’s post at Global South: https://globalsouth.co/2024/11/29/attack-on-syria/
… and breathe…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 30 2024 19:52 utc | 165

It’s a World War.

Posted by: xblob | Nov 30 2024 19:59 utc | 166

China has worked to get Syria back into the Arab League, to the satisfaction of many.
Now China has a moral duty to intervene to support Syria.
For a state of 1.5 billion people, it should not be a big problem to send 200,000 soldiers to close the Syria problem once and for all.
Chase out the terrorists and also the US bases from there.
With the obvious help of Iraq, Iran, Houthi, Hezbollah and Russia.
China must stop thinking only about its trade…
It is time to show that it can use its weapons and its soldiers.
Also to prepare for Taiwan…..

Posted by: kamma43muri | Nov 30 2024 20:00 utc | 167

“Families return home, children return to school, justice is simplified based on the immediacy of the results obtainable in street fighting.
now the entire city is clean and calm, the remaining criminals flee to their bosses’ lairs and make a problem for themselves, far from home.
Process technology, they call it…”
Posted by: Santi | Nov 30 2024 19:04 utc | 129
I posted a definition of process technology on the open thread. I don’t want to make assumptions. Is it your view that Isis is just the mechanical cogs in a process of supplying good customer service to the United States and Turkey.
I miss quick to dismiss for the chest arguments as anybody here. Having said that I do see an angle here at a meta level.
Perhaps the Sultan of Turkey has grown tired of these parasites and has decided the best way to get rid of them is to give them what they want. A war with Syria Iran and Russia. Good luck with that.
I’m reluctant to assign him that level of morality. But there’s also a very pragmatic aspect to that decision.
And certainly the Sultan of Turkey considers himself to be the penultimate player of 4D chess. On par with the competency shown by the previous Trump Administration.
The only thing that lends credibility to my argument is that these other key players may have decided to resolve this problem before going after the zionists. So in this case I’m saying they manipulated Erdogan into it.
Of course one only has to look at the facts on the ground to begin to poke holes in that idea. Which I guess is typical of most 4D chest achess.
On the other hand, with this conflict forced upon Syria this is an opportune time to eliminate the zionists northern front bordering turkey

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 30 2024 20:00 utc | 168

https://x.com/Roberto05246129/status/1862704198149714430
Koba @Roberto05246129
#Syria #Israel #Lebanon #Hezbollah #Beirut #Iran #Nasrallah #Hamas
Goodbye terrorist headquarters. Enjoy the 72 virgins
Russia is taking the entire burden of Syria’s defense on its shoulders.
Russian Aerospace Forces SU-35 super-maneuverable fighters destroyed the headquarters of the HTS terrorist group on the border with Iraq.
Interestingly, the HTS base was in US-occupied Syria.
The mission was high risk, as there was a risk of clashes between the US and Russia in the region. But the American defenses did nothing
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1862948832268439882
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
No. There is no counter-attack in Aleppo. The Kurds are in Sheikh Maqsood, Aleppo, and their area is supposed to be spared. The Kurds in Aleppo won’t fight for the Syrian army to recover Aleppo. No one will recover Aleppo in the near future.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 30 2024 20:03 utc | 169

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 19:50 utc | 165
So he may be some Scandinavian fascist cunt. I wasn’t aware of his past antics and run-ins with you, Ed. Still, it is revealing of the neoliberal mentality that such vermin take pleasure witnessing the calvary of the Syrian people at the hands of the Anglo-American empire, the Zionazi regime and the jihadist terrorist proxies.

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 30 2024 20:04 utc | 170

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1862946001419428092
Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
🇸🇾🇷🇺 Sergey Kisel, Commander of the Russian forces in Syria, has been relieved of his duties.
In short fired
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1862946405066703341.
Large squadron of Russian planes take off in Syria

Posted by: Mary | Nov 30 2024 20:04 utc | 171

This also shows that Russia’s very slow-go in Ukraine is a mistake. They need to tackle these wars with their maximum and do their best instead of trying to calm the western propaganda and media.
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 30 2024 19:47 utc | 158
And there we have our mini-troll
Who wins or loses with adjourning is always debatable.
Means, or lack thereof, is a good reason to delay.
Avoiding going too fast, too soon, too hard, and starting WWIII is also a very good reason.
Now let us go for something that i will place here but could be in ukraine, open thread, etc, the us is barely an hormone fueled teenager, regardless of this lame suicidal duck administration, somebody at a given moment will say “we don’t need this, we have plenty of resources and a very good nearby sphere of influence”, we don’t owe nothing to mommy britain and its fallen empire. Sure, some things they might want and I mentioned RF might be asked to drop the ME as a consolation prize, but that is a big if.
Don’t confuse millennia cultures with recent ones.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 30 2024 20:08 utc | 172

Commander of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria, Lt. Gen. Sergey Kissel, has been fired; he will be replaced by Colonel-General Alexander Chayko. He has led Russian troops in Syria during the First and Second Idlib Offensives.
And Iraqi Prime Minister, Shia al-Sudani, says Iraq is “ready to provide all kinds of support to Assad”.

Posted by: venice12 | Nov 30 2024 20:11 utc | 173

Ed | Nov 30 2024 18:56 utc | 119
*** This website was perfectly fine with “depraved behavior” when it was committed by the Taliban, or Hamas, or Putin’s soldiers.
Posted by: Peru1969 | Nov 30 2024 16:38 utc | 38
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Thank you, Shining Path, for bearing witness to our many trolls who support or demand “depraved behavior” here at MoA. May you and the Great One (Abimael Guzman) sleep long and well with Chairman Mao. ***
Guzman was CIA.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 20:12 utc | 174

Posted by: Mary | Nov 30 2024 20:04 utc | 173
The commander of the Russian forces in Syrian may have been relieved and it may have been deserved, but what about those who coddled with the sultan wannabe and established an atmosphere of false security. The Syrian government definitely bears responsibility, but taking into acccount the terrifying pressure on one side (Israel, US/UK) and the supposed reassurance of proper agreements between Russian and Turkey, it was expected that they would try to improve and normalize the conditions in the tormented country.
After this debacle, if Turkey isn’t treated as a country “unfriendly” in all but official label, then there can be no excuse about honest mistakes, if there can even be one now. And the jihadists in Syria must be met with a terminal solution just like the Ukro-Nazis. No compromise.

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 30 2024 20:14 utc | 175

I don’t like being pessimistic, but if Aleppo is gone and with the level of resistance shown so far, it’s a real question whether soon only Damascus will remain under control of the Syrian government. and if that’s the case, its days are numbered.
We can see the same patterns at work as with the Ukraine. A so-called Resistance Axis which waits passively until the very last moment, only then to wail at the duplicitousness of the West and act all surprised. Fooled again ! More seriously, the Syrian regime has shown itself to be pretty much incompetent, and Russia doesn’t look good either.
They have never had the ability to fully restore Syrian sovereignty. They have let Idlib fester, and the whole northeastern part under SDF control. The Al-Tanf base is still there, after all these years. All that the vaunted Russian operation has been able to achieve was to stave off Bashar’s fall for a few years and maintain a precarious control over some big Syrian cities, not much more.
As another poster wrote it, past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour. All signs point to the likelikhood that Russia will in the end suffer the same fate as Syria. My predictions :
– Putin will agree to an atrocious deal, more like a ceasefire, which will see Ukraine remain in control of the 80% of Ukrainian territory they still control today
– Zaporozhie, Kherson will still be goners
– I’d bet the farm that Ukrainians won’t willingly concede the Kursk territory, and that Putin will cave in.
– NATO peacekeepers will be stationed in Western Ukraine
– Z-bots will do an about face and try to sell us this as some kind of victory
– This will be a Minsk-3, giving the US all the time necessary to rearm and prepare their next offensive
– A few years down the line, they will do an Aleppo in Russia. What will it be this time ? Bryansk ? Rostov on the Don ? rush to Donetsk ? Just like in Syria or in Kharkov in 2022, we will see all these hard-won gains evaporate in the span of a few weeks.
Russia is really fucked, sorry folks. They ain’t winning anything with the kind of management they have today. It’s not that they don’t have the means to win ; they do not want to win because it would mean expropriating all those ***oligarchs*** and reclaiming Russia for the Russians. And that’s precisely what Putin will never be able to do.

Posted by: Micron | Nov 30 2024 20:14 utc | 176

People are missing the obvious … the US knows that the war in Ukraine has been lost. It’s all over but the shouting.
What’s needed is a distraction from Afghanistan 2.0 and a weaker opponent to boost morale … Assad must go!
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 30 2024 19:49 utc | 162
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Zanon, I think you hit the nail right on the head. It isn’t a new tactic, either. On October 23, 1983, a Barracks in Beirut housing U.S. and French troops was attacked by two truck bombs, killing 241 personnel. President Reagan withdrew all troops from Lebanon.
On October 25th. In 1983, Reagan sent the Marines to Grenada to save American Medical students from approximately 200 Cuban construction workers who were building an airport, and of course, the Marines won. It was obvious to everyone that the “mission” was a diversion from the embarrassing withdrawal from Beirut, Lebanon, a few days earlier.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 20:16 utc | 177

Posted by: venice12 | Nov 30 2024 20:11 utc | 175
By now decisive action is an absolute necessity from all actors in the anti-imperial camp. Syria must be aided.
It iwould be interesting to see China’s stance in all of that.

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 30 2024 20:16 utc | 178

Ma Laoshi | Nov 30 2024 18:59 utc | 122
*** Uncle Shlomo. You cross him, there’s no telling what he might do: … boot you out of the F-35 program …***
What’s bad about that? Nasty is being forced to buy twice as many.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 20:16 utc | 179

Russia is really fucked, sorry folks. They ain’t winning anything with the kind of management they have today. It’s not that they don’t have the means to win ; they do not want to win because it would mean expropriating all those ***oligarchs*** and reclaiming Russia for the Russians. And that’s precisely what Putin will never be able to do.
Posted by: Micron | Nov 30 2024 20:14 utc | 178
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Maybe Putin just doesn’t want to destroy the planet where the “Russians” live.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 20:20 utc | 180

Posted by: venice12 | Nov 30 2024 20:11 utc | 175

…And Iraqi Prime Minister, Shia al-Sudani, says Iraq is “ready to provide all kinds of support to Assad”.

And could the US then trip the PMU attempting to cross into Al Bukamal? They’ve been looking to seal off that stretch of border since the very beginning.

Posted by: robin | Nov 30 2024 20:23 utc | 181

Z” Please do consider the SIZE of the Headchopper “army”…it is quite doubtful that their total effectives are not far less than 20,000 fanatics.”
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 30 2024 18:09 utc | 91
Worth remembering that WEF is run by the Swiss government…”
Posted by: Jack M | Nov 30 2024 19:49 utc | 163
Well that sounds like a perfect situation to me. Due to events beyond their control the resistance is then forced to move 100,000 troops into Syria to defeat this threat.
That’s probably half of the Troop levels of Hezbollah. And there are probably 100,000 members of other various factions. Ignoring Gaza which has a substantial Force in the tens of thousands.
You’d need a force of about 600,000 troops to defeat the zionists. Maybe 800,000. I’ve generally been at the opinion that you would need the Syrian, Lebanese, Ansar Allah, and factions in Jordan to meet these needs. And it would be up to the Iranian Republican Guard to top this up.
So once these Fanatics are destroyed there’s going to be a lot of troops not far from the Golan sitting on their hands with not much to do.
It wouldn’t be realistic to expect all these pieces to be in place; And I have to wonder if there will be any people in Gaza left by the end of the Syrian operations. Nevertheless that seems an entirely legitimate reason for large numbers of forces to assemble in Syria for its defense.
It’s probably obvious but I’m leading to the conclusion that this Army could easily overrun occupied Palestine.
It is has become clear that Turkey is an enemy of the resistance. There’s just no way to continue putting lipstick on that pig.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 30 2024 20:24 utc | 182

@Petri Krohn | Nov 30 2024 15:41 utc | 15
>>Ukrainians on the other hand are involved everywhere. Ukrainian drone operators are claimed to be training the Syrian terrorists.
The Kiev junta is … unburdened from, let’s count ’em: *elections *economic viability *any sort of Western rebuke *any remaining need to actually govern their own country in the normal sense (a duty which admittedly interests Washington less and less as well). So any day is play day. The Russian govt calls them Nazis. Given the weight of that word for the Russian psyche, the proper response to this urgent crisis is surely to … leave this junta completely unmolested for close to three years already. “Slower is better.” Can’t jeopardize those juicy negotiations, where you may finally be able to reach a compromise with them. But you don’t get to fiddle forever: say what you want of the Maidan junta, but they aren’t merely serving time, waiting to be rounded up. They have an agenda, or get one imposed by their sponsors. This shouldn’t have been dragged out.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 30 2024 20:29 utc | 183

As this article admits the fog of war is very thick in the situation, which is most likely part of the information war and a purposeful act. So it’s unwise to draw conclusions on what the Syrian army has failed to do based on the same muddled and unverified information circulating through and echoed by various platforms. Apparently Syrian government just officially asked for Iran’s help to contain and counter the insurgency attack. So It’s wise to wait and see how the situation evolves and refrain from premature conclusions.

Posted by: Clark | Nov 30 2024 20:31 utc | 184

It is has become clear that Turkey is an enemy of the resistance. There’s just no way to continue putting lipstick on that pig.
I totally agree. Back in 1998 the Turkish army was threatening to invade unless the PKK, then headquartered in northern Syria, were removed. Turkish generals were talking about meeting Israeli generals in the middle of Syria in a presumably joint offensive. The more overtly Islamist-sounding Erdoğan has made anti-Zionist noises but taken no real steps against Israel. Expatriates from Turkey I encounter say there is no substance to it. His steps against Damascus have been far more real. And at the end of the day Turkey is a NATO member.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 30 2024 20:33 utc | 185

Canada was/is one of those ‘US allies’. Lest we forget, Canada’s role with Israel in ‘rescuing’ Al CIA-duh/ISIL affiliate White Helmets:
How Canada’s Woman in Istanbul Began the Daring Rescue of Syria’s White Helmets
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-how-canada-led-the-triumphant-rescue-of-white-helmets-in-syria/
“Much of the credit belongs to Robin Wettlaufer, Ottawa’s special envoy to Syria and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 30 2024 20:34 utc | 186

Thank you to very much to:
michaelj72 for elijah magnier and some of the other sources he regularly provides
xor | Nov 30 2024 19:31 utc | 147 for Vanessa Beely’s telegram channel
and to
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 30 2024 19:52 utc | 167 for Amarynth’s post at globalsouth
Middle East Spectator has shown to be a disseminator of misinformation and I will no longer waste my time there.
Given the avalanche of disinformation about events in Syria, it would be good if posters source everything they say so that the sources can be checked.

Posted by: JB | Nov 30 2024 20:36 utc | 187

Thank you, Shining Path, for bearing witness to our many trolls who support or demand “depraved behavior” here at MoA. May you and the Great One (Abimael Guzman) sleep long and well with Chairman Mao. ***
Guzman was CIA.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 20:12 utc | 176
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And I am not a Maoists. Whatever the fuck he was, he was the founder of the Shining Path, and he died in prison. How the fuck could he be the CIA in prison? I will let you fill in the details; perhaps he became a snitch?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2024 20:38 utc | 188

michaelj72 | Nov 30 2024 19:19 utc | 139
*** The recent offensive in Aleppo and Idlib underscores a complex web of regional dynamics and geopolitical manoeuvres that transcend the Syrian conflict itself. This operation by Syrian opposition forces, supported by Islamist factions, aligns with broader efforts to shift the balance of power against the “Axis of Resistance,” which includes Iran, Hezbollah, and their regional allies. Incrementally, these forces are being targeted, with each alliance member facing significant blows. The outcome of this offensive is poised to reshape the balance of power in northern Syria and the wider region….***
A very big part of ending the otherwise ceaseless jihadi/terrorist attacks anywhere in the world would be to utterly erase Israel and probably kill most of its population, which is by now evidently far beyond any prospect of de-programming.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 20:39 utc | 189

abierno @ 159

Inquiring minds would wonder what changed in the past few months – Erdogan has moved from threatening Israel, to becoming USIS cat’s paw in Syria.

All show to quell anger on the Turkish street, same with all the gulf states, Egypt, Jordan, regarding their populace. Show the people the rulers are as angry as them while they figure out how to save their ass. Erdogan did his calculations, as did the Arab states, and why you see hollow words and no action even in the face of stark wall to wall, blazoned across modern media genocide.
The calculation for Erdogan and the rest of the Kings, Princes, Sheiks and Pashas goes like this:
– If the USA wins and I side against them I’m Gaddafi sodomized fucked dead and my country is delved into chaos and collapse, turned into a failed state.
Ever wonder why they never rebuilt Libya as even a reasonably functioning vassal after Gaddafi? It was message, an eternal one – don’t even think about fixing this place, they salted the earth, pretty much the same place just different epoch.
– If I side with the USA and NATO my ass and my life are safe, I’m in clover and my country remains intact for me to keep on ruling and looting.
– If I go against Russia, and China, and they win, nothing happens to me, I may not be in clover but my ass and my life are safe, there’s no talk whatsoever about reprisals against my country, the Russians pack up and go back home to Russia like they did in 1814 and 1945. No hard feelings.
It’s rather simple math, with history behind it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 30 2024 20:39 utc | 190

JR-L @ 167
Excellent link.
While the supply of stupid mercenaries ready to die for pittance is apparently large it is not infinite. Sometimes it does seem the deafening din of hasbara will never end. The game does all rely on weak twisted minds ready to fight and die for a paycheck. That is a weak link.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 30 2024 20:44 utc | 191

” would be to utterly erase Israel and probably kill most of its population, which is by now evidently far beyond any prospect of de-programming.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2024 20:39 utc | 191 ”
Vee like the vay you think.

Posted by: The painter | Nov 30 2024 20:45 utc | 192

” No. There is no counter-attack in Aleppo. The Kurds are in Sheikh Maqsood, Aleppo, and their area is supposed to be spared. The Kurds in Aleppo won’t fight for the Syrian army to recover Aleppo. No one will recover Aleppo in the near future.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 30 2024 20:03 utc | 171 ”
Proving once again that the ungrateful Kurds never had an intention of becoming ” Syrian”. If Syria survives, they should all be promptly pushed back into Turkey to meet their fate.

Posted by: Salami | Nov 30 2024 20:54 utc | 193

@b since the psyop does not make sense at all I sai following 2 scenarios are happening (since the syrians have been warned that it will happen):
1. a big betrayal – then in 1-2 days we will hear of a new war lord in syria
2. a big ass syrian trap – in 1-2 weeks, idlib is syria owned again

Posted by: Macpott | Nov 30 2024 20:57 utc | 194

Ever wonder why they never rebuilt Libya as even a reasonably functioning vassal after Gaddafi? It was message, an eternal one – don’t even think about fixing this place, they salted the earth, pretty much the same place just different epoch.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 30 2024 20:39 utc | 192

Which again calls into question the Kremlin’s actions. Why did they allow this precedent to be set back then?
The US program after 1991 was to get rid of all of the former Soviet allies in order to prepare the ground for the eventual final solution of the Russian problem.
To which Moscow acquiesced during the 1990s, betraying all of the socialist governments around the world that depended on its support. Despite this being obvious suicidal in the long run, but there was bigger fish to fry for the Russian elites at the time – dividing the Soviet inheritance between themselves was all they could think about.
The story these days has it that Moscow had enough after the 1999 bombings of Serbia. And yet the same policies continued all the way to the mid-2010s.
With disastrous results. Gaddafi being abandoned placed Syria and the whole Middle East in a much more difficult situation, and made the Russian position much more precarious.
Imagine Russia having bases on the Libyan coast too, not just the ones on Syria. How much would that have helped with the battle for Africa too?
Also remember that as a reward for their cooperation in the removal of Gaddafi, Putin and Medvedev got an attempted color revolution in Moscow later that year. Well deserved, it showed them their place.
P.S. Rybar mentioned yesterday that losing Syria will make the whole Russian Africa operations unsustainable because they rely on their bases there for logistics. Where do you go through if Syria is gone? So even those gains on the global chessboard will be quickly wiped out if that key piece is lost.
And yet we have the current shitshow.
P.P.S. As other posters noted, where is China in all this? Surely the PLA has the men to send to help fix this mess, together with all the high-tech gizmo you can think of. And they need some real combat experience, which they haven’t had in many decades. So what are they waiting for?

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 30 2024 20:57 utc | 195

Just like Azerbaijan taking advantage to snag Artsakh, Russia’s total focus on Ukraine and the fact it had shown itself to be so much weaker than it was perceived has led some vultures to make moves they otherwise wouldn’t have had the balls to.
It will be interesting to see if Erdogan moves towards a complete intervention to overthrow Assad or if he’s happy with his de-facto Turkish run buffer state.

Posted by: Jeanie Gold | Nov 30 2024 20:58 utc | 196

Posted by: Micron | Nov 30 2024 20:14 utc | 178
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Nice fanfic NAFO buddy.
Comparing Russia to Syria is rather stretches credulity, though. Also the trouble with your little dream is that it undermines it’s own premise.
Since the SMO wouldn’t have started in the first place, if the Kremlin had the thinking & motives you attribute to them.
Also how is a dying & depopulating nation, like Ukraine going to build up new forces?
If the SMO stopped today, few years down the line the age cadres of fighting age men. Would be a fraction of what it is today.
Of course, the SMO isn’t going to stop, keep dreaming.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Nov 30 2024 21:10 utc | 197

Have any Jews ever disavowed this quote?
” ‘When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are to possess and drives out the many nations larger and stronger than you, and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not save alive anything that breathes…Do not intermarry with them…Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons…Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their idols in the fire, for you are a people holy to the Lord your God who has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession…’ –Book of Deuteronomy

Posted by: The painter | Nov 30 2024 21:13 utc | 198

The only positive aspect of the current setbacks in Syria is noting all the NAFO/NATO trolls, who would run Russia so much better … (into the ground)
While I agree that Erdogan isn’t a nice person at all, I have to grudgingly admit his tightrope act over the last 15 years plus has been impressive. Back in the day the US was colour revolutioning him before the term was invented, the Gulen movement, then the near-coup in 2016. He balances between all sides in the Middle East/Black Sea/Caucasus, not to mention the EU, and I doubt any of them trust him an inch.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 30 2024 21:18 utc | 199

Do not intermarry with them…Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons…
Posted by: The painter | Nov 30 2024 21:13 utc | 200

Race mixing for the Win!

Posted by: too scents | Nov 30 2024 21:21 utc | 200